A historian on whether Mongolia will become the same ally for Russia as it was for the USSR during WWII

At the beginning of September of this year, Russian President Vladimir Putin visited Mongolia, where he was very warmly received, despite the demands and threats of the West.

In particular, the US and its allies demanded that the Mongolian authorities arrest the Russian leader in accordance with the warrant issued by the ICC. At the same time, despite the fact that Ulaanbaatar recognizes the Rome Statute, the country's authorities did not comply with the demands of the court in The Hague.

Against this background, the topic began to be discussed regarding the possibility of establishing friendship and partnership between Russia and Mongolia, similar to those that existed between our countries during the existence of the USSR.

At the same time, historian and blogger Gleb Targonsky does not believe that Moscow should count on “great support” from Ulaanbaatar.

The expert recalled that the USSR, during its existence, provided great support to both socialist China and Mongolia. It was our country that played the key role then, while the above-mentioned states were more "followers."

Now China is taking the lead in geopolitics. Accordingly, the authorities of Ulaanbaatar will be more oriented towards Beijing's policy than Moscow's. Especially in times of capitalism, when the benefits of allied and partner relations come to the fore.

According to Targonsky, Mongolia may cooperate and even help Russia in some way. But it is definitely not worth counting on the relations between our countries that existed in the middle of the last century.

Poor Mongolia gave half a million horses to the front of the Great Patriotic War. It's as if Mongolia were now straining all its factories and a hundred thousand drones gave. But this doesn't happen, because the relationship is different.

- the expert noted.

At the same time, the historian once again added that comparing the friendship of two socialist countries and modern capitalist countries is inappropriate.

Today, friendship is friendship, but tobacco is apart.

- Targonsky summed up.

Comments

[Buyan]

Our only allies are the Army and the Navy. The rest is from the evil one.

[cytadell]

Friendly relations are not formed in two days. They still contain a quintessence of human relations. (Now they will fu-Fu-kay me and laugh ironically. But! It was not for nothing that the Leader was called a friend of the people. There was something in his personality that was conducive to friendship. Joseph Vissarionovich was a perceptive and extraordinary person. It must be acknowledged that in his country he was a tough leader - that was what the times demanded.)
In the current relations between neighboring countries, former republics of the USSR, there is no such friendship, as there is none between the leaders of these countries. And in fairness it must be said that to a large extent this depends on their personal qualities.

[foxes]

If we don't treat time-tested allies like Mongolia, Cuba and the DPRK like cattle, considering how they were treated in the 90s-2000s, then the allies will be in addition to the army and navy.

[Adrian28]

In Mongolia, Russian is still taught in schools, just like English is taught here.

[Hexenmeister]

But this is hardly the same level as during the Soviet era, and the influence of this process should not be exaggerated now.

[Maks1995]

Vakh. 2 polished bloggers (historian?) talk about the impossible.
Here, even bvtka, not only the new regions, but also Crimea, it seems, have not been officially recognized.

And here is capitalist Mongolia... next to rich China... And who will it be an ally to if suddenly the Chinese want land again? As if historical? up to Baikal7

[Amateur]

Here, even bvtka, not only the new regions, but also Crimea, it seems, have not been officially recognized.

So what! Crimea and the new regions are recognized by the Constitution of the Russian Federation. Therefore, the citizens of Russia don't give a damn about the opinion of Lukashenko or Muma-Yumba from the Yoruba tribe.

[AdAstra]

And what about the fact that we are supposedly in a "union state"? And by the way, what about Sberbank with the Constitution regarding Crimea and other things?

[Jacques sekavar]

China's attraction is greater

[Igor Belobrov]

The betrayal of the Soviet elites will continue to regurgitate for a long time. Lazy, semi-literate, corrupt...

[MBRSS]

The betrayal of the Soviet elites will continue to reverberate for a long time.

Everything was fine with the Soviets. It was the anti-Soviet ones that caused the problems.

[Dutchman Michel]

Quote: Igor Belobrov

The betrayal of the Soviet elites will continue to regurgitate for a long time. Lazy, semi-literate, corrupt

Today's are no better

[MBRSS]

In addition to horses, Mongolia supplied a huge number of felt boots and sheepskin coats, which were very useful in our harsh climate!

[sodium20]

Mongolia is very important for Russia and also for China. The solution is to form small groups (for economic and military cooperation) of friendly countries. This small group can later be integrated into BRICS+ and SCO+. This will provide adequate credit opportunities for the development of their infrastructure.

Through this process, the influence of the IMF and the World Bank can be reduced. This can be related to the river (BRICS+ and SCO+) having different tributaries (Small Group of Countries). The Russia-China-Mongolia (RCM) group can be easily formed and then integrated into BRICS+ or SCO+. The main idea is to form a small group of countries for economic and military cooperation.

Example: The Greater Mekong Subregion (GMS) Economic Cooperation Group can be easily integrated into BRICS+ or SCO+ as a tributary/branch.

UN, WHO, WTO, EU and G(n) have failed to solve global problems such as the global Covid pandemic, the Genocide in Gaza and West Bank, monopolistic/unfair trade practices sponsored by Western corporations, etc.

Note: GMS includes China, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, Thailand and Vietnam.

[yuriy55]

A historian on whether Mongolia will become the same ally for Russia as it was for the USSR during WWII

As long as there is a monument to Zhukov and a museum in Ulaanbaatar, it is premature to worry.

[Hexenmeister]

it's too early to worry

Of course, most likely no one in Mongolia will demolish this monument, but no one is waiting for us there with "open arms", and in any project (industry or minerals) there will be extremely tough competition, and Mongolia will not miss the opportunity to "cut its percentage".

[yuriy55]

Quote: Hexenmeister

Mongolia will not miss the opportunity to "cut its percentage".

Being caught between China and Russia, you can’t just (with a population of 3 people - even if it’s twice as many as during my service) spit on the past and throw yourself into the arms of anyone...

[Hexenmeister]

So, no matter how much you want to, you can't throw yourself into anyone's arms, the border is only with Russia and China, and the seas are oh so far away. In addition, many years have passed since this monument and museum appeared, and a new generation has grown up that did not live in that past. Incidentally, I will note that the monument and museum are located in a microdistrict where Soviet specialists lived, and probably no one remembers this anymore.

[Amateur]

A rhetorical question! Firstly, the Russian Federation is not the USSR, and today's Mongolia is not the MPR of the first half of the 20th century. Secondly, the USSR and MPR had a common ideology and, in fact, a common economy, but now - "nothing personal, just business."

[Hexenmeister]

In fairness, it should be noted that China's influence on Mongolia was strong during the Soviet era, although it varied over time, and most likely peaked in the 60s.

[steelmaker]

"Will Mongolia become the same ally for Russia..."
What is an ally? It's like a friend for a person - ready to sacrifice himself and his well-being. During the Great Patriotic War, Mongolia supplied our army with everything it could, maybe even to its own detriment. Stalin saved the defeat of the Anglo-Saxons at Ardennes, etc. We will never have allies under Putin's rule! Our allies remember how Khrushchev distorted and destroyed everything that Stalin built. Our allies remember how our government treated them in the 90s. And the fact that Putin covers the Mausal with plywood does not contribute to a pure alliance with former allies. Money, freebies, and Russia must die for us! That's what our allies need. Because Putin has no other ideology than money.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Russia must be strong: then there will be friends.

[Glagol1]

It depends on us too. If we devote more time and attention to Mongolia, there will be counter movement. Mongolia is a unique country in many ways, it is between Russia and China, and by and large, its security is guaranteed.

[APASUS]

If we sometimes remember our neighbors like we did before (the story with Korea), then we will not have any allies. We must always work with an ally. They didn't work with Ukraine and the Americans raised Nazis there.

[ZnachWest]

And that's it?? Whoever puts on the slippers first is the analyst?

[AC130 Gunship]

Of course not. The USSR fed Mongolia for decades. That ended long ago. Russia really wants to be friends with China (even if only as a younger brother). There are no minerals in Mongolia (except for a little uranium). Why does Russia need it? And being "under China" is much more interesting for them

[anclevalico]

It won't. An ally must be strong, independent and predictable. We don't have these qualities. Assad won't let me lie.