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North Korea launched two ballistic missiles in the direction of the Sea of ​​Japan

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North Korea launched two ballistic missiles in the direction of the Sea of ​​JapanThe North Korean military launched two short-range missiles toward the Sea of ​​Japan, where joint US and South Korean exercises are currently underway.


“Most likely, it was a test launch of short-range missiles. The launch decision was probably made at the military level, and not at the national level, ”the Yenhap agency quoted the source in the South Korean government. It remains unclear whether the launch was carried out on the orders of the DPRK leader Kim Jong-un, reports RT.
It was reported that these were KN-02 missiles, which are launched from installations similar to SCUD, and have the smallest strike radius among North Korean missiles - 120 – 140 km.
Such missiles can carry a small tactical nuclear charge.

According to the newspaper VIEW, 8 March unilaterally North Korea broke off the non-aggression agreement with South Korea, as well as the agreement on the direct telephone line between the two countries. In addition, the DPRK authorities have declared that they will launch a great war for the reunification of Korea, if the United States chooses a conflict.

And on March 13, the DPRK confirmed the decision to withdraw from the armistice agreement concluded with South Korea at the end of the 1950 – 1953 Korean War.

This happened against the backdrop of the United States and South Korea conducting joint military exercises, which caused sharp criticism from the DPRK.

Nuclear tests in the DPRK were carried out on February 12 in violation of two previous UN Security Council resolutions that banned Pyongyang from developing a missile and nuclear program.

The central newspaper of the Nodon Sinmun Labor Party of the DPRK published an article entitled “The Armistice Agreement no longer Exists,” according to which the US-South Korean maneuvers prove that the treaty “is no longer able to guarantee peace on the Korean Peninsula.”

North Korea also stated that it reserves the right to launch a preventive nuclear strike if necessary.
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  1. Komodo
    Komodo 16 March 2013 07: 48
    0
    Come on Kim !! We will join soon!
    1. predator.3
      predator.3 16 March 2013 08: 02
      14
      Quote: Komodo
      Come on Kim !! We will join soon!

      And we need it, because of the crazy Korean fatty get involved in the hell knows what! let the gangs style better dance, and look like faces, and lose weight! :
      1. Komodo
        Komodo 16 March 2013 08: 07
        +7
        We always helped them. Moreover, this is our brainchild.
        Abandoned, homeless and stupid.
        Now the Chinese want to adopt him.
        1. esaul
          esaul 16 March 2013 08: 43
          +9
          Komodo, you, a colleague, are somewhat idealizing the DPRK leadership.
          Quote: Komodo
          We always helped them. Moreover, this is our brainchild.
          Abandoned, homeless and stupid.
          Now the Chinese want to adopt him.

          Yes, in many ways this is our brainchild. But we got it at the stage of an embryo with a genetic memory far from being filial in relation to Russia. This embryo was supported and grown into a baby by us (USSR) at the time of absolutely visible confrontation between the two superpowers - the USSR and the USA. And put into the consciousness of this (already young men by that time) all the Soviet Wishlist, directed against the states. As soon as the parental care was slightly weakened, this youth immediately showed his complete indifference to the parental ailment. Moreover, he, standing by the patient's bed, continued to demand money from his parent. And when the money "out of the mattress" finished, he was very offended and said that, in principle, he didn’t give a shit about his parent and had nothing to do with filial duty. The parent went on the mend and the son realized that it is possible to speculate on parental feelings to have something else. BUT - the parent has learned something, has not forgotten something ... Relationships are like those between polite neighbors.
          And about Kimov-well done - then the Koreans themselves know better about this. And, believe me, they do not all wring their hands woefully at the death of the next Sen-In-Un ... I worked with the Koreans - I know.
          1. Komodo
            Komodo 16 March 2013 09: 22
            +5
            Komodo, you, a colleague, are somewhat idealizing the DPRK leadership.

            He has the courage to confront the amers openly.
            And in this case, I just envy.
            1. ultra
              ultra 17 March 2013 23: 06
              -1
              Quote: Komodo
              He has the courage to confront amers openly

              This only speaks of the inadequacy of the Korean leadership! The latter is eaten up without salt, but waved with a club! am
          2. Tersky
            Tersky 16 March 2013 09: 25
            +2
            Quote: esaul
            You, a colleague, are somewhat idealizing the DPRK leadership.

            Valera hi ! To this topic:
            New sanctions against DPRK were approved last Thursday by the UN Security Council in response to North Korea conducting nuclear tests. The tests were conducted on February 12 in violation of two previous UN Security Council resolutions that banned Pyongyang from developing a missile and nuclear program. At the same time, the DPRK refers to the need to deter aggression from the United States and promises to build up nuclear and missile capabilities in spite of sanctions.

            The resolution with new sanctions against Pyongyang - the fourth in a row - allows you to block banking transactions, freeze DPRK accounts, inspect aircraft and ships, as well as diplomats in search of large amounts of cash if you suspect that they are aimed at developing Pyongyang's nuclear and missile programs. The UN Security Council also banned the supply of luxury goods to North Korea, including yachts and sports cars.

            RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20130313/927161576.html#13634110233173&message=resize&relto=
            register & action = addClass & value = registration # ixzz2Ng2QOEv8: On the spot killed words about sanctions on luxury goods, people there eat up the last horseradish without salt, and luxury goods Kimov, Chirov, Yrov have long been in Taiwan and China ..
            1. esaul
              esaul 16 March 2013 09: 37
              +1
              Tersky
              Victor, salute hi
              Quote: Tersky
              On the spot they killed the words about sanctions on luxury goods,

              The same thing was with Libya, and with Syria ... request
        2. ultra
          ultra 17 March 2013 23: 04
          0
          Quote: Komodo
          We always helped them. Moreover this is our brainchild

          Well, if you help me from your personal budget, I will not revive! hi
    2. esaul
      esaul 16 March 2013 09: 31
      +2
      In connection with this news, I recall the anecdote of the times of the Chinese Cultural Revolution, when the PRC was sitting deep in the ass:
      The Chinese top leadership is developing a plan of attack on the USSR.
      The chief of staff sets out a tactical plan
      --- First, in small groups of five to six million, we filter through the border ... Then, in tank holes we throw tank columns - first one tank, then the other two ...
      Question from one of those present
      ---- And when do you intend to use aviation?
      ---- We had some problems with aviation - the pilot seriously broke his arm ...
      1. Goga
        Goga 16 March 2013 10: 17
        +1
        esaul - Valery, this joke sounds especially juicy now that we know what the current Chinese armed forces look like fellow It is hoped that all this is the next (albeit backed by an explosion of nuclear weapons) C-Korean advertising production for internal and external use ...
        1. esaul
          esaul 16 March 2013 10: 23
          0
          Quote: Gogh
          Valery, this joke sounds especially juicy now that we know what the current Chinese armed forces look like.

          Ypt ... Well, so I indicated that
          Quote: Gogh
          times of the Chinese Cultural Revolution, when the PRC was sitting deep in the ass:
          wink
        2. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 17 March 2013 03: 47
          +1
          Quote: Gogh
          esaul - Valery, this joke sounds especially juicy now that we know what the current Chinese armed forces look like. It is hoped that all this is the next (albeit backed up by a nuclear explosion) C-Korean advertising production for internal and external use ...

          The DPRK leadership is not fools all understand. The United States did not succeed in Syria and the Middle East, but war is still needed. But what if you bleed North and South Korea? And then Japan and China, two export-oriented economies and the main competitors of the USA will be drawn in ...
          DPRK for the USA is a gift, they donate it for the best case.
          1. ultra
            ultra 17 March 2013 23: 08
            -1
            Quote: Gluxar_
            The DPRK leadership is not fools all understand

            And I have an opinion about their leadership that they are not fools but DYBILS!
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 16 March 2013 19: 38
        +6
        Quote: esaul
        And when do you intend to use aviation?
        ---- We had some problems with aviation - the pilot seriously broke his arm ...


        Valera, hi! Surname of pilot Li Xi Qing smile

        From the summary of the Soviet Information Bureau:
        - While the capitalist forces are trying to establish their dictatorship in the east, the pilots Li Si Tsin and Wang Yu Shin are bravely fighting in the skies of Korea

        Two submarines emerge in the ocean, the Chinese - so-so American, cool. An officer protrudes from the American and offers to surrender. From the Chinese answer: “Yes, you went to ..!” and appeal to his: "Vasya, did I say that correctly?"
        1. esaul
          esaul 16 March 2013 21: 13
          +1
          Quote: Ascetic
          Ascetic

          Greetings, Stanislav hi Glad your feedback. Of course, carrying out international support to the USSR, along the way, it tested the combat conditions of new developments and hunted for foreign technologies. And here the help of Korean pilots Li-Si-Qing and Wang-Yu-Shin is invaluable
    3. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 17 March 2013 03: 43
      0
      Quote: Komodo
      Come on Kim !! We will join soon!

      Figs knows him. Not all that bad America, we are good. Yes, and South Koreans have to do with it. There are such decent gamers there, and indeed very friendly people. We have many connections with them.

      Although it may bang and want this primarily the United States, not the DPRK. We have already re-shot the "red sunset". This time the North Koreans are ATTACKING the USA, moreover these Koreans are riding American Hammers ... these are the tomatoes.
  2. Komodo
    Komodo 16 March 2013 07: 49
    0
    Come on Kim !! We will join soon!
  3. Komodo
    Komodo 16 March 2013 07: 49
    0
    Come on Kim !! We will join soon!
  4. Komodo
    Komodo 16 March 2013 07: 49
    0
    Come on Kim !! We will join soon!
  5. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 16 March 2013 07: 54
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    Quote: Komodo

    Come on Kim !! We will join soon!

    What do you want to bang Japan? what
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 16 March 2013 08: 00
      +1
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      What do you want to bang Japan

      yes japas themselves will drown. and the North Koreans, most likely, are engaged in blackmail - they say, stop feeding, we have nothing left to do but come to get your food in tanks
    2. Komodo
      Komodo 16 March 2013 08: 01
      0
      They didn’t scare Japan, but drove the US-South Korean naval exercises. Other news says.
      1. almost demobil
        almost demobil 16 March 2013 08: 36
        -2
        Damn, they are generally crazy fanatics. If this is our brainchild, then the children far outdid their parents, our Union was much more adequate. It would be right to completely boycott them, no technology, no resources, all the same, a beggarly people, and everything goes into service.
        1. Masterzserg
          Masterzserg 16 March 2013 08: 48
          +3
          The brainchild of something ours, but their weapons are mostly at the same level when they were made. They are certainly not Iraq and not Yugoslavia, but it is useless to shove them against NATO. The DPRK has already almost erased together with Kim Il Sung, for them then, with our submission, China harnessed itself. If the DPRK is now the "hands" of China, then it is clear why they are grinning, but this is the beginning of their end.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 16 March 2013 16: 04
            +5
            I read it - I was dumbfounded! Firstly, about the latter - when the liberoids lie about Russia, show palms on the streets of Moscow, the Russian (normal Russian, not Russian-liberal) media still have enough strength to refute and show lies. And this is only in Russia. There are already not enough forces for allies, I am silent about the DPRK. Therefore, you about the DPRK again use the info from those same deceitful liberoids, without amendments from the normal media. No one is starving there. There was one case - there was a drought! Any state can have this. Russia had such a thing last year. So what? Russia went and bought it, no problem. And the DPRK cannot go and buy - sanctions ... So the North Koreans had to twist the hands of the so-called. "the international community". To solve the DPRK nuclear problem - two times two. Which thread the state guarantees that no one will attack the DPRK, that the revolutionary movements will not stir up either. Plus - not just a complete withdrawal of guarantees, but a green light in international trade. And all this in exchange for the complete destruction of the sowing of Korean nuclear weapons and the removal of any enemy intentions in relation to South Korea. The DPRK will agree to this, but the States will not! They will start - and also hold democratic elections, the norms of a market economy, and so on. And without this - nothing! The people of North Korea are suffering, only we can help them, and therefore we cannot guarantee any security for the DPRK regime - it must fall, Kim Jong-un must leave!
            And here you are literally repeating what the Amer State Department would like to hear. A damn thing! Tamed? Tamed! Is there a responsibility? Of course! And it is Russia that must remove this tension. Otherwise, at the end of the last century, there was nothing to climb into the Korean Peninsula with its Marxist ideas! Climbed, imposed - please be responsible for what you did! Kindly save, help move away from excessively rigid ideological attitudes and introduce it into the world community, but with the right to conduct an independent, preferably pro-Russian, policy.
            1. Komodo
              Komodo 16 March 2013 16: 56
              0
              Dear Aksakal!
              Everything to the point. hi
            2. almost demobil
              almost demobil 16 March 2013 19: 25
              -1
              [i] [i] [i] No one is starving there. There was one case - there was a drought! and. North Korea will go for it, but the States will not go! The people of North Korea suffer, only we can help him [/ i \ [/ i]
              Aksakal, what do you mean in general or something ... well, I don't know .... North Korea is fanatics, and despite the fact that no one threatens them. (Well, like, nobody wants them with their kim). Well, only if you are guided by the principle that the enemy of my enemy is my enemy ... But this does not really correspond to modern thinking, only if you gather all the opponents of the United States in a heap and rejoice that there are more of us. Such "allies" with a hungry population are needed only at a certain stage.
              It’s not good to cuddle with troglodyte just because. that he does not eat the people of your tribe.
              1. Professor
                Professor 16 March 2013 19: 32
                -1
                No one is starving there. There was one case - there was a drought!

                Is this their diet?
                1. aksakal
                  aksakal 16 March 2013 20: 04
                  +2
                  Quote: Professor
                  No one is starving there. There was one case - there was a drought!

                  Is this their diet?
                  - Well, I’ll also deliver such photos to you from Detroit, only there will be a little darker than the children. Not proven.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 16 March 2013 20: 16
                    0
                    Let's get from Detroit. I'm waiting.
                    1. aksakal
                      aksakal 16 March 2013 20: 35
                      0
                      And you do not wait, you are not banned in Google, almost sure of it. And these photos from your fox news, which the palms on Bolotnaya Square draw, advise where to stick? I won’t do it yet, therefore I ask you again - do not stick photos from extremely false resources under my nose and do not litter the forum. I don’t want to swear, because I hope that you will understand everything correctly.
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 16 March 2013 20: 47
                        -1
                        Young man, do not poke an adult, you were not taught this at home? Well, as an adult, and still claiming the title of aksakal, take the trouble to answer for your words "well, I will also deliver such photos to you from Detroit, only there will be a little darker kids" and deliver such photos from Detroit. You are not a balabolka, are you? wink
                      2. aksakal
                        aksakal 16 March 2013 21: 12
                        +1
                        And I will be older than you, young man, we have been arguing for two years, and at first I am very respectful with you, if you remember. Doubts began when you accused the Soviet newspapers of extreme deceit, although I then lived and then read them. Further more. Then they pretended to be a dunno in the story with Spike, when they pressed the facts that there was such a story in Peru, they began to post more adequately - like, this happens for so many thousand starts. And immediately it was impossible to adequately respond?
                        And the farther, the more in your posts, as it were, softer to say ... You understand. Want politeness - with great pleasure, I am ready and will be very happy. Let's get more objectivity and true information - that’s all you need. No need to consider us here for small children, we all see, not dumber than you. If so, be so kind as to carefully post and not lie at all.
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 16 March 2013 21: 18
                        -3
                        And now to the point. Well, as an adult, and still claiming the title of aksakal, take the trouble to answer for your words "well, I will also deliver such photos to you from Detroit, only there will be a little darker kids" and deliver such photos from Detroit.
                      4. aksakal
                        aksakal 16 March 2013 22: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor

                        And now to the point. Well, as an adult, and still claiming the title of aksakal, take the trouble to answer for your words "well, I will also deliver such photos to you from Detroit, only there will be a little darker kids" and deliver such photos from Detroit.
                        - I ask the same in Asket’s answer, where you just whipped about Moscow dumps, like, I can provide as many photos of dumps around Moscow as possible! You can allow it to yourself, but not to me? It won’t work.
                        Sometimes look at least the news - just about Detroit the world is noisy, broken glass in abandoned houses show, so what? - since there is such a situation, there cannot be starving there? And yet - prove that this photo is exactly North Korea. The correspondents of your lying media are not allowed there, because there can be no such photos. You have cited photos of the starving Chinese since the time of the Kul'turn revolution, and even from the times of the Japanese genocide in Manchuria, and you pass this off as a photo of North Korean children. Not ashamed?
                        I perfectly remember the photo posted here on this site about North Korea. There was a huge selection, and there were no starving people! Passers-by are like passers-by, pompously on the central streets, there are no landfills on non-central streets, but they reminded our Soviet era in peripheral cities. Flip this site two years ago and take a look. Or do it for you too? Sorry, I won’t.
                      5. Professor
                        Professor 16 March 2013 22: 47
                        -1
                        blah blah blah. How many letters, however, about the photo from Detroit did you lie? Have the courage to admit it or is it not about you about courage?

                        PS



                      6. hrych
                        hrych 16 March 2013 23: 25
                        +6
                        Sorry professor, but the truth is more precious. In only one photo with portraits of the great helmsmen and the children there, although they sleep on the floor (rich Japs have such a tradition to sit and sleep on the floor, and the tables are small), but chubby, plump and ruddy, with well-groomed clean hair. The first photo is clearly with traces of retouching and is between 65 and 100 years old. The second photo most likely shows the victim of defoliants in Vietnam, and in the last photo the child has clearly pronounced "Malay" features, which is not typical of Koreans. I do not want to convict you of concocting fakes, but the resource that you used is deceitful and provocative, like all siennes, bibisies and other trash.
                      7. aksakal
                        aksakal 16 March 2013 23: 31
                        +2
                        Grunt, get ahead! while to a subordinate post answered -)))
                      8. Professor
                        Professor 16 March 2013 23: 37
                        +2
                        Children in a kindergarten on the floor may not starve, but the photo can tell a lot about the prosperity of this institution. Regarding the first photo, this is a very famous photo. I already laid it out here in color and high resolution.
                        http://www.bcps.org/offices/lis/models/9famstudworldhunger/index.htm

                        The last photo is also from Korea, here is the source:
                        http://www.humanrightsvoices.org/EYEontheUN/un_101/figures/?p=413

                        PS
                        For those who do not believe in hunger in North Korea, I can post a dozen more photos and a bunch of reports from most international organizations.

                        Those who can read themselves can search the network Hunger in North Korea
                      9. hrych
                        hrych 17 March 2013 00: 19
                        +4
                        This is oriental minimalism no more, and the room is certainly ragged. Another thing is that people live the way they like and lead the kind of life they fought for (a small example is a small Israel). But they cannot forgive them for the fact that the superpower could not break them, incl. on the battlefield, and the Sotelites tremble with successes in the atom and missiles, hence the alleged famine, left-wing photos, not aimed at the appropriate attitude of Israelis or Russians, but primarily US citizens, to justify the prospect of aggression. And the funniest thing is to blame Kim for hunger, but by doing everything (sanctions) so that he happens.
                      10. aksakal
                        aksakal 17 March 2013 00: 59
                        +2
                        Quote: hrych

                        This is oriental minimalism no more, and the room is of course ragged
                        - That's really the professor got it. Already a desire appeared to hit the road to this North Korea instead of the annoyed Turkey on vacation in summer if they give chefs (capitalism, in Soviet times, vacation is set - that means, and that's it! Now just stammer - at the moment the faces of the chefs are pulled up to the countertops am ) And you need to persuade the dearest one - she can also have a little face laughing
                        But really already want. It’s time to really lower the lies at least on this site.
                      11. hrych
                        hrych 17 March 2013 01: 03
                        +2
                        On arrival, we are waiting for an eyewitness report, by the way there is a sea.
                    2. Professor
                      Professor 17 March 2013 09: 01
                      0
                      hence the imaginary hunger

                      With an alleged famine, the country's leadership does not blackmail its neighbors and the whole world with a nuclear program and requires basic food. Why are you lazy to read about the famine in Korea at least from the reports of the UN and WHO?

                      PS
                      With photos sorted out?
                    3. hrych
                      hrych 17 March 2013 12: 19
                      +3
                      UN and WHO, Dear Professor, "left" organizations, except the Security Council, where Russia and the PRC have the right to veto, which is holding back a number of aggression, the rest, including UNESCO, have become so odious that it is amazing that all their leaders are involved in corruption and are being blackmailed CIA. And don't forget who is by nationality Ban Ki-moon... In general, WHO has shown itself in a typical way with the universal vaccination of the "Golden Billion" against influenza, and now with vaccination against the papillomavirus that causes cancer. For these nasty vaccines, costing every hundred euros, for the universal vaccination of girls, developed countries paid well, but the problem is that there are hundreds of papillomaviruses, and the vaccine only affects one strain and only three vaccinations need to be done, and with the flu, which is a million different diseases and varieties of laughter in general, which any unfinished pharmacologist and microbiologist will confirm to you. So this fraud with the participation of manufacturers and bribed WHO members is estimated at several hundred billion euros. To steal so to steal and not any control, the most developed countries have been thrown into money, and you are talking about kinking Korea.
                      From photographs Dear Professor, the main nuance is that all these decades the country has been in a state of war, where foreigners do not have the right to use video cameras and travel around the country without permission from special services, and especially to get into preschool institutions, it is not possible to control uncontrollably. Here, information agencies have to slip bullshit with Asian rickets, thank God there are enough of these photos from Cambodia and Vietnam, well, obviously colored photographs taken by photographic plates (any professional photographer can distinguish them perfectly by grain size), and for the sake of excitement they’ll slip photos of kids with portraits of the great helmsmen, but the misfortune is that the children are fat, dressed in bright colored clothes, which does not fit with the image of gray Korea, but the American citizen does not look at it.
                      We take the Ukrainian famine, of course there is no evidence, but how can we blame the Stalinist occupation without independence without them, so we take photographs from the time of the Great Depression in the USA, we sign it with the appropriate comment and we are ready.

                      http://obozrevatel.com/news/2009/3/10/290431.htm
                    4. Professor
                      Professor 17 March 2013 13: 44
                      0
                      However, such photographs are from the North Korean sea.
                      hunger in north korea
                      They are made by various international organizations and diplomats. IMHO the true scale of famine in Korea will be known only after the fall of the communist regime.
                    5. hrych
                      hrych 17 March 2013 14: 11
                      +4
                      In fact, Korea recognized the food problem caused by the drought and sanctions, although it was a few years ago, but now everything is normal, and hunger is a different degree of life, and believe in case of hunger, even the Kim family would have flown away. Of course, there is no famine there, the problems caused by sanctions and most importantly the freezing of accounts in foreign banks, which undermines foreign trade, the regime decided to sell gold, primarily to China, which preserved stability. For the reasons of the current aggravation, it can be noted, not even nuclear successes, but missile ones, that after launching the satellite, the Koreans climbed into the space club, and this is already an opportunity to strike at the USA. In principle, everything is like with Iran, which lagged behind in nuclear technology, because He took the path of enriching uranium-235, for which thousands of centrifuges and time are needed. Koreans follow the path of plutonium-239, which is synthesized in reactors and was not mistaken. There were problems with the delivery of the charge, but again plutonium has a critical mass of 10 kg, which is much less than that of a uranium charge and making a warhead is not a problem, in general, the genie was released from the bottle and the United States will have to put up with it, and the war could break out by accident.
                    6. Professor
                      Professor 17 March 2013 14: 54
                      -1
                      believe in case of hunger, even the Kim family would fly away in one fell swoop

                      The Soviet experience suggests the opposite, the main thing is to find the external and internal enemy and proliferate more organs like the NKVD.

                      There were problems with the delivery of the charge, but again, plutonium has a critical mass of 10 kg, which is much less than that of a uranium charge and making a warhead is not a problem, in general, the genie was released from the bottle and the United States will have to put up with it, and the war could break out by accident.

                      Technologically, it is more difficult to make a charge from plutonium than from uranium, but with the fact that the United States (as well as Russia) will have to endure a "dear and beloved" comrade, I agree with you.
                    7. hrych
                      hrych 17 March 2013 15: 33
                      +3
                      We take the statistics of the years of the Holodomor, about the alleged 6-8 million deaths, deduct the natural decline and get 1 million unnatural population decline, and this is not only the Volga region, but the entire USSR, and even in three years. We can say that this million died directly from hunger, but again this is not the case. When the unfavorable situation in the country, the birth rate decreases, let us recall the EBN RF, because the people, if they are not of Arab origin, try to control the birth rate themselves, with rubber products, intimal control depending on the cycle and, like the edge, termination of pregnancy (there were no pills then). So, the number of victims of the famine itself is becoming more modest, so you have to slip American photos. So the WHOs, UNOs, etc. talk about 2,5 million who died of hunger in Korea, which is 10% of the population. An astronomical nonsense, and of course Ban Ki-moon is involved in it, the former Minister of Foreign Affairs of South Korea. Apparently a relative of another "miracle worker" Sun Myung Moon.
                    8. aksakal
                      aksakal 17 March 2013 16: 34
                      +2
                      [quote = professor] [quote] believe in case of hunger, even the Kim family would fly away in one fell swoop [/ quote]
                      The Soviet experience suggests the opposite, the main thing is to find the external and internal enemy and proliferate more organs like the NKVD.

                      [quote] - Professor, you demand respect for yourself, and it was only a year ago to you. Because then you did not talk stupid liberoid stamps. Your other compatriot pushed another liberoid stamp - like, there’s no alternative to Putin, because he shoots at the end of promising politicians, so all the bloody dictators do laughing
                      Here, are you not ashamed of the stamp? Local site - dump for your stamps? Find another place, which chicken and put these stamps to her. We don’t need to litter our brains here. The NKVD is a completely concrete body that fulfilled its task of knocking out the fifth column in the USSR, which played a large role in the Victory. This is acknowledged by the Amer researchers themselves. Will you find a link or yourself? Have you been banned from google?
                      And yet - on the basis of the foregoing, the role of the NKVD is noticeable in the Victory, why do you hate him so? Or would you not want victory on Nazi Germany? Who was destroyed by fascist Germany in the first place? this phenomenon even has its own term. Father, you’ll already determine whether there is either a cross or pants, for you give the impression of absolutely ...
                      Also, remind you who Hoover is and what the term "witch hunt" means? There, too, there were enough of their own cockroaches, and no less than in the USSR, but you see only the NKVD surprisingly selectively.
                      I really want to respect you, as you ask, but first you have to get rid of the liberoid stamps and think with your own head. What did you think about two years ago, or did I have that impression?
                    9. Professor
                      Professor 17 March 2013 16: 44
                      0
                      Dear, I don’t read your letters until you keep your word and provide photos of starving children in Detroit (after all, the word of an aksakal is harder than a diamond) or do not apologize, let's say "for the incorrect wording." hi
                  2. hrych
                    hrych 17 March 2013 16: 41
                    +2
                    Probably YOU are right, the Iranians, if they make a "cannon scheme", is ineffective, but simple.
                  3. Professor
                    Professor 17 March 2013 16: 49
                    0
                    20-30 ct can squeeze, and most importantly the psychological effect. For example, a citizen survived in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and it happens.

                    THE UNLUCKIEST MAN: BOMBED AT HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKI
            3. hrych
              hrych 17 March 2013 15: 00
              +3
              Here you open your link and again the alternation of photos of Asian rickets and Korean soldiers, fat Kim, etc. But, notice a single photo where the soldier in Korean uniform along with rickets or rickets on the background of a photo with the founder of Juche ideas. All this is juggling snapshots and the usual information war. I repeat, this is not your activity, but those who spank it and not skillfully enough, because reckoning on a dull American.
    3. aksakal
      aksakal 17 March 2013 00: 33
      +1
      Well, yes, yes, the activity of all these human rights in Russia is forbidden, they were so worried about starving Russian children -))))). Already heard about this organization, that's enough! There is no faith already once deceived, and for many years leading the nose of faith forever and ever more will not be!
      I believe your photo with sleeping children on the floor and nothing, children like children.
      As for the prosperity of the institution - I have already written many times and will not tire of writing - again sanctions. Now the Iranian kindergartens will have exactly the same picture, although I was five years ago I was in Mashhad - a rich and flourishing city. Why? Yes, because! Ah, in this country the brow rights are not respected! And let's announce the sanctions! And what will the sanctions lead to? It’s clear why.
      Once at one exhibition of VDNKh amers came, one amer showed chewing gum, my classmate, a passionate collector of gum inserts like "Lelik and Bolek" as I saw, he didn't have that, that's all. Did everything amers asked! And he jumped for a piece of bread, and lay with a wooden toy near the garbage can, etc. KGB officers missed it -)))). But the special services then stopped this disgrace, and the parents of that classmate got nuts. So all these dirty photos are published in this particular Human Rights thing there. It's up to you, Professor, you lived in the USSR - according to your words. Did you starve in the USSR as much as it was shown in the photo - jumping for a piece of bread, reclining near the garbage can? Who you really are depends on your answer. If you, of course, lived in the USSR, as you write here.
    4. aksakal
      aksakal 17 March 2013 00: 43
      +1
      By the way, if on that photo where the children on the floor with the helmsmen on the walls wash the walls, and instead of the floor mattresses (by the way, clean and not full of holes) put armored beds, then I will see a very familiar interior. Painfully familiar - Nostalgie! And I do not see anything criminal in this interior. It’s not clear why the walls are dirty? Is it difficult to wash, or what?
      By the way, on Russian TV very often show Russian stars treated in Israeli clinics. Then Kirkorov is treated for a nervous breakdown, then Plushenko treats the spine. And the same interior in your clinics also surprises me, Professor! It is the same except perhaps clean. My question is - where does the crazy money spent by Russian stars for their treatment go? Do not deserve chambers with Persian rugs and gold toilets?
    5. Professor
      Professor 17 March 2013 09: 12
      -2
      My question is - where is the crazy money being spent by Russian stars for their treatment?

      And you ask Nazarbayev who is now treating prostate cancer in Israel (God forbid him many years of life). Are they unable to cure their president themselves?

      Nazarbayev may become the record holder for the number of visits to Israel
  6. Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 17 March 2013 04: 03
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    Children in kindergarten on the floor may not starve, but the photo can tell a lot about the prosperity of this institution. Regarding the first photo, this is a very famous photo. I already laid it out here in color and high resolution. http://www.bcps.org/offices/lis/models/9famstudworldhunger/index.htmП
    the last photo is also from Korea, here is the source: http: //www.humanrightsvoices.org/EYEontheUN/un_101/figures/? p = 413PS For those who do not believe in hunger in North Korea, I can post a dozen more photos and a bunch of reports from most international organizations. Those who can read themselves can search the network Hunger in North Korea

    You have already been caught on lies and provocations, calm down. This is not the first to tell you this. Photos of starving children in Detroit are easy to find, but this is not an indicator. It's just that Detroit is a classic example, because here it was remembered.
    North Korea is not a paradise, but you can live there. What difference does it make if you have the last piece of bread taken away. If you yourself have not seen this, but do not lie, just shut up.
  7. aksakal
    aksakal 17 March 2013 02: 07
    +1
    Quote: Professor

    And now to the point. Well, as an adult, and still claiming the title of aksakal, take the trouble to answer for your words "well, I will also deliver such photos to you from Detroit, only there will be a little darker kids" and deliver such photos from Detroit.

    - Do you know English? So enjoy. Http://www.youtube.com/watch? V = dK_RnxYdrqU & feature = related
    http://maxpark.com/community/2419/content/1381026 - насладись чтением.
    http://americanslife.ru/letayushie-tarelki/vashingtonskiie-korrespondent.html
    Enough? Or exactly the photo you want to see? Read a little? The main thing, and you will not blame that these are the machinations of Russia - they themselves print, they themselves shoot and the amers themselves recognize.
    Similar in any society can be found, with the exception of snickering Scandinavians, who would be nice to learn not to give up before the first shot and in general, that life would not seem like honey. I think they will seriously hint at the Arctic - they will receive lessons. This is so, by the way.
    This is exactly three minutes of searching. And take it seriously - you can add a photo
  8. Professor
    Professor 17 March 2013 09: 08
    0
    Read a little?

    And you young man turned out to be just a petty liar and don’t pull on the title of aksakal. where are the photos of promised starving children in Detroit? Really no? Ah ah ah, how bad it turned out however. wassat Left rollers dug up and scribble all sorts, but as they say it is better to see once than hear 100 times.
  9. aksakal
    aksakal 17 March 2013 11: 16
    +1
    A video with US children, where they directly complain about malnutrition, are you not happy with? Do you call this "left" rollers? I wonder how about the children of the United States, so these are left-wing videos, how about some incomprehensible photos about the children of the DPRK - is this true? Will not work. Either true in both cases, or far-fetched in both cases. I think in your photo - a lie!
    Quote: Professor
    And you ask Nazarbayev who is now treating prostate cancer in Israel (God forbid him many years of life). Are they unable to cure their president themselves?
    - he treated it in Germany, calm down. And I did not speak for the quality of treatment, do you understand the Russian language? You accused the kindergarten of the DPRK, which of all the photos you posted is the most credible, in the wretchedness of the interior, I also accused your hospitals of the same wretchedness of the situation, except that it is very clean. Essentially have something to answer? Why wretched, albeit clean? For such money - only Persian carpets, gold toilets and wall plasmas. Why instead of bare walls and a budget bed? Why don't you see the logs in your own eye?
    Quote: Professor
    With an alleged famine, the country's leadership does not blackmail its neighbors and the whole world with a nuclear program and requires basic food. Why are you lazy to read about the famine in Korea at least from the reports of the UN and WHO?
    - already explained. And here in Kazakhstan, and here in Russia last year (or the year before last) there was a drought. Buckwheat, a number of cultures have not yet taken shape. Yes, there are no problems, have entered the international market and bought - they will be happy to sell, sellers are lining up.
    DPRK can't do that! Sanctions. Know what these words mean? This may mean the most significant restrictions on trade with the DPRK. DPRK can’t buy anything, hence the sharp reaction. I would generally equate sanctions to military intervention - on what basis? The first sanctions usually go for non-observance of human rights, the further sanctions are already in response to nuclear programs that the state that has undergone the first sanctions begins to deploy, because rightly believes that there is a danger to his safety. So, what does the United States care about human rights in any state? This is an internal affair of the state. Hence the first sanctions, those that for non-observance of human rights, equate to causeless military intervention. In order to discourage the United States from rushing around the world and imposing these sanctions on anyone who falls, who is not similar in structure to the States and does not follow his policies in the wake.
    Calm down and enjoy the videos, in your favorite states, too, with the children are not cloudless, proven.
  10. Professor
    Professor 17 March 2013 13: 06
    +2
    Are videos of US children where they plainly complain about malnutrition, don't you like it?

    Do not eat up and leave in plates?
    No, it doesn't. Let it be known to you in each country the concept of "poverty line", "consumer basket" and "malnutrition" are very different. For example, if a child does not consume fresh vegetables and fruits in a certain amount, then by Western standards he is starving. We in the USSR did not eat fresh vegetables and fruits in winter, but we were far from starving. And so I'm waiting for the promised photos of starving children in Detroit.
    Only not such "swollen with hunger"


    how about children of the DPRK some strange photos

    Very clear. I have indicated their sources to you. Take a break and you.

    I think you have a photo - a lie!

    Don’t think about it, check out sources at international organizations.

    Why wretched, albeit clean? For such money - only Persian carpets, gold toilets and wall plasmas. Why instead of bare walls and a budget bed?

    Thank you for the portion of morning humor. Do you know the words hygiene, sterility? I begin to doubt and explain to you. Carpets, even Persian, are very difficult (if at all possible) to sterilize, there are wall plasmas in almost any room, the bed, as you called it, a budget bed is special with all sorts of bells and whistles. Nevertheless, if you are interested in comfort, then go to the hotel, not to the hospital. I suspect that Nazarbayev was lying in the ward where some kind of kibbutz democracy, however, was being treated before him. fellow
  11. aksakal
    aksakal 17 March 2013 16: 47
    +1
    [quote = professor] [quote] Video with US children, where they plainly complain about malnutrition, are you not happy? [/ quote]
    What and how to feed in the states, we are already in the know laughing The photo from Detroit is set out to you below Saturn, admire.
    Your international organizations are false, the evidence is complete, some of them are prohibited in Russia, I ask you not to give links to them, I’m tired of repeating to you, do you seriously understand? Do you repeat where you should put these links in plain text?
    The rest is your own vyser and flood of liberoid.
  12. Professor
    Professor 17 March 2013 16: 54
    +1
    The rest is your own vyser and flood of liberoid.

    Bravo. good Waited. You, like a kitten, were bogged down ... your lies and without finding arguments go to the person. fellow

    What and how they feed in the states, we are already aware of the photo from Detroit set out below to you by Saturn, admire.

    Are these the promised starving kids in Detroit? You are not capable of more? But what about "- Well, I’ll deliver these photos to you from Detroit too, only there will be a little darker children." wassat
  • saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 17 March 2013 14: 36
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    Let's get from Detroit. I'm waiting.

    This is not to say that these children are safe, this is for Detroit (pictured).
    And in North Korea, people live worse than in South Korea, clearly, the reasons are different, international isolation plays not the last role, but party politics is still the same.
  • aksakal
    aksakal 16 March 2013 20: 28
    +2
    What are troglodytes? Do you read even a little in English? So read the comments of the same amers or the British under the next fox news vyser, for example, in relation to the same Russia - be very surprised. I do not see the difference between the fanaticism of the Koreans and the fanaticism of democracy and the rights of the chela of the same amers. And there, and there - fanaticism. And who said that loving your fatherland and your leader is fanaticism? Is this not the source of the Russophobia of the Russians themselves, and not even just the Russians - the Russians themselves ?! That is, to love your country, with all its shortcomings, and to respect your rulers, who are not at all sinless throughout the world, is to show fanaticism, and no matter what they blame, I will call my country not Russia, but the incomprehensible word "Rashka", but rulers - generally exclusively mats. This is "non-fanaticism", and we will spread rot on fanatics or welcome their rotting America. So, for me, what you call fanaticism is better than what you will try to call "non-fanaticism." And let's stop the dispute at this, because it is not for you to decide what, what system and scale of values, what ideas and what way of life to love the Sevkoreans, and what to hate. This is their choice! Of course, all this is only if what the Sevkoreans love does not pose a danger to their neighbors. But I will note that at the same time, the Amer is a much greater danger for its neighbors, for the same Venezuela or Nicaragua, and China is much more dangerous for those neighbors who are now afraid of the DPRK. And yet - the DPRK began to develop nuclear weapons after the first sanctions from the United States for chela rights and other sins against the Amer value system. It seems to you that sanctions are just sanctions, this is not a declaration of war. You tell this to the Koreans, or now to the Iranians, they will quickly explain to you that it would be better to declare war than to slowly strangle it economically. The Syrians have not felt it yet, but as soon as they strangle the terrorists and begin to rebuild their economy, they will feel it immediately.
  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 17 March 2013 03: 55
    +1
    Quote: aksakal
    And here you are literally repeating what the Amer State Department would like to hear. A damn thing! Tamed? Tamed! Is there a responsibility? Of course! And it is Russia that must remove this tension. Otherwise, at the end of the last century, there was nothing to climb into the Korean Peninsula with its Marxist ideas! Climbed, imposed - please be responsible for what you did! Kindly save, help move away from excessively rigid ideological attitudes and introduce it into the world community, but with the right to conduct an independent, preferably pro-Russian, policy.

    I agree with a lot of what you wrote, but not quite. Why do we have to go there without lubrication? We do not need war, but we will not. DPRK can shake the nerves of both the United States and Japan. If China enters, and this happens, it will be quite hot. And this gives us more benefits than losses. Rising prices for raw materials, favorable geopolitical position. Arguments in bargaining with China and much more. North Korea repeats the path of the USSR. It makes no sense to invest so much in a gun if it does not ultimately fire.
    This may be valuable, but the DPRK as a unique culture has no choice but to war. If they surrender, then the losses from reforms and transformations will ultimately be higher than in the event of war.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 17 March 2013 16: 59
      +1
      Capercaillie, I did not agitate for the war for the DPRK, I asked not to water the DPRK with mud and not to allow the State Department to manipulate your consciousness through professors, citing false photos from starving China since the Japanese occupation. And the most interesting thing is that liberoids have success with respect to the DPRK, as evidenced by most posts of even non-liberal citizens!
      The fact that diplomatic methods extinguish the conflict does not mean to intervene in the war on the side of the DPRK. In the event of the disappearance of the DPRK, the entire Korean peninsula will turn into an Amur base near China, let China have a headache.
      It's amazing when I ask to be more objective and give the DPRK the right to live the way the DPRK itself wants, I’m more a democrat (pluralism is an invariable attribute of democracy) than the democrats themselves, that the DPRK wants to strangle, citing very dubious photos
  • urich
    urich 16 March 2013 08: 14
    +1
    Old man Krylov is right as always ...
    Let the dogs say:
    “Ay, Pug! know she is strong
    What bark at the Elephant! ”
    God forbid the war, 9 / 10 will flee after the first raid ...
    1. sanych
      sanych 16 March 2013 08: 31
      0
      They didn’t run away in the fifties, but now they won’t run away. Ideologically, they are very much processed - decades of propaganda do not go in vain. North Koreans are fanatics, moreover, in the best sense of the word. Moreover, besides Juche’s idea, they don’t know another life, there’s nothing to compare with. In the event of a bloodshed war on the peninsula, unfortunately, there will be a SEA.
      1. urich
        urich 16 March 2013 08: 52
        +2
        In addition to ideology, there is an instinct for self-preservation. When people see that their "pukalki" do not bring significant damage to the enemy, while they themselves will die like flies, all ideology and fanaticism will disappear. When North Koreans are confident that they have the most advanced weapons, it will hurt to perceive the reality. But about the sea of ​​blood, I agree with you, that's why I wrote in my post, God forbid, war.
        1. Professor
          Professor 16 March 2013 09: 22
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          When people see that their "pukalki" do not bring significant damage to the enemy, while they themselves will die like flies, all ideology and fanaticism will disappear.

          Who will tell them the truth? Local TV will broadcast victories over the enemy, regardless of the true state of affairs.
          [media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = h7N5HJso9e8]
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7N5HJso9e8
          I personally visited South Korea, an excellent country, a high standard of living, and power is not inherited. And at the expense of North Korea, I received a region (including Russia) of an unpredictable neighbor with a nuclear club.
          1. Vladimir 70
            Vladimir 70 16 March 2013 09: 58
            +3
            I personally visited South Korea, an excellent country, a high standard of living, and power is not inherited. And at the expense of North Korea, I got a region (including Russia) of an unpredictable neighbor with a nuclear club
            Professor, I agree with you about the unpredictability of the northerners with a nuclear club, but how can a European man predict the sinking of a South Korean ship and screaming to the whole world that this was done by the northerners or who is hammering a sovereign state into the Stone Age.
            1. Professor
              Professor 16 March 2013 10: 13
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              1. Where is the doc of your version with a torpedo? wink
              2. North Korea already in the Stone Age and climbed there herself. Mobile phones were allowed only recently, there are almost no cars in private use, and how to forget elementary hunger?
              1. Ruslan_F38
                Ruslan_F38 16 March 2013 10: 55
                +1
                You are a strange person, for you what is more important is the material component, and not the spiritual one. They live well in South Korea, which means they are initially right and better, while in North Korea it means they themselves are so-so little people? It’s sad.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 16 March 2013 11: 05
                  +3
                  This is not only about the material component, but in South Korea everyone has a passport and the material situation of the majority of the population allows them to go abroad and even stay there. But in North Korea, there is such a free society that they have not only the Internet, but passports. And for trying to leave this earthly paradise, the execution.
                  So much for the "spiritual" component. hi

                  PS
                  South Korea has great ballet. How's it going in the north?
                  1. Uncle
                    Uncle 16 March 2013 11: 33
                    +6
                    Quote: Professor
                    South Korea has great ballet. How's it going in the north?

                    Why do they need ballet? There, women’s combat training is held in high esteem. Legs are raised as much as above the shoulder, where the corps de ballet is up to them. smile
                  2. hrych
                    hrych 16 March 2013 11: 41
                    +3
                    The DPRK has a nuclear program and rocket science, which only a few countries can afford and the "Stone Age" is not, Dear Professor, an epithet for a country developing nuclear technologies. There is a long-term blockade, even a neighbor of the PRC, in general, although there is a hole in the blockade, it does not behave like a brother. Now a breakdown of the entire credit and financial system in the world is coming and it is not known who will turn out to be in this "Stone Age", albeit with iPhones (not only your neighbors in Africa and Arabia), and if the DPRK is not hit by American power, it will remain with nuclear and rocket technologies.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 16 March 2013 12: 50
                      +2
                      The DPRK has a nuclear program and rocketry, which only a few countries can afford and the "Stone Age" does not have,

                      You are wrong. Almost any country can do the atomic bomb today if there is political will.

                      Now a breakdown of the entire credit and financial system in the world is coming and it is not known who will turn out to be in this "Stone Age", albeit with iPhones (not only your neighbors in Africa and Arabia), and if the DPRK is not hit by American power, it will remain with nuclear and rocket technologies.

                      How many years I live so much and hear about the imminent collapse of capitalism in general and the United States in particular. But here I see the proponents of an alternative system not waiting for this.
                      1. aksakal
                        aksakal 16 March 2013 16: 40
                        +3
                        Quote: Professor
                        The DPRK has a nuclear program and rocketry, which only a few countries can afford and the "Stone Age" does not have,

                        You are wrong. Almost any country can do the atomic bomb today if there is political will.

                        Now a breakdown of the entire credit and financial system in the world is coming and it is not known who will turn out to be in this "Stone Age", albeit with iPhones (not only your neighbors in Africa and Arabia), and if the DPRK is not hit by American power, it will remain with nuclear and rocket technologies.

                        How many years I live so much and hear about the imminent collapse of capitalism in general and the United States in particular. Nzhzho I see that supporters of an alternative system will not wait for this.

                        laughing laughing laughing Professor, with the atomic bomb you really didn’t just make fun, but really make fun! I believe that the Afghanistan in the person of the Taliban (and at the moment it is - the ISAF troops disappear, Karzai will not last a month, because Afghanistan is the Taliban) does not want an atomic bomb! Iran is the same!
                        Your level of erudition and knowledge is low, alas!
                        An atomic bomb can only be created by a state whose level of fundamental science is above a certain level. These are far from "practically all countries", I cannot count them even two dozen, well, three dozen. Intercontinental missiles - the requirements are the same.
                        All this suggests that the DPRK is not a backward country at all in terms of science and technology. In terms of living standards, social and political technologies, in terms of the complexity and development of state institutions - maybe, but not in terms of science and technology.
                        Your emphasis on the predictability of only democracies is just as untrue - only in a democratic state can a rapist and a sexual pervert come to power, which automatically makes all that state dangerous, which at the same time likes to point fingers at how unpredictable other states are. Will we point with our fingers?
                        As for the right to travel abroad - in the former CIS countries, free travel is allowed in all, so what? In reality, the absolute majority cannot go abroad, so even one can’t afford to travel around one’s own country - the prices for transportation are world, and the income is not world. So there’s not much sense from your right to a passport, you do not need to focus on this. In the USSR, too, it was hard abroad; for the Union itself, at least wrap it around! What’s called a ticket is a triple!
                        Professor, give the right to other states to live as they want, then maybe Israel will be left alone
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 16 March 2013 20: 03
                        0
                        Your level of erudition and knowledge is low, alas!

                        I did not read your letters further, for ignorance and rudeness do not deserve attention. negative
                        Professor Martin van Creveld (where is he up to you?) Said about this "They'll build or buy or borrow or beagle"-"They (basically any country) will either make it (a bomb) or buy it or take it or steal it, but they will have a bomb"
                      3. aksakal
                        aksakal 16 March 2013 20: 56
                        0
                        Do not you find that there is a difference between your "can do almost any country" (I pay attention to the verb "to do" - in Russian non-slang language means to make, construct, produce) and the statement of Professor Martin, where are other verbs? And borrow, and steal, and even buy almost any country. The Saudis can easily buy, I don’t deny.
                        I argued for "do". The DPRK did just that, such technologies are not shared, even China has not shared with the DPRK. This suggests that the Koreans' sowing has a certain, and absolutely not a low level of fundamental science, fundamental and theoretical physics, there is definitely a level. To develop an intercontinental missile - this should already be a technological level, and it is also not at the lowest level for the Koreans. I remember when they argued about missile defense, Russian experts argued that the Iranians have missiles with a range of 1000 km, and they have to stomp 5000 (!) Years to missiles with a range of 15 km! Subject to tight work. Koreans already have it! Hence, there is also a level.
                        Prove the converse. Prove it. That the DPRK is the upper Volta with missiles, and the missiles with atomic bombs turned out to be by chance with it, and so in the DPRK there is no science, only a starving population laughing
                        And yet - at the last Olympics, I did not notice the Israelis. Full zero and sucks. But the North Koreans noticed. Of course, Kazakhstani people noticed.
                        Do you know why? You have a democracy. All for the money. Even for the crappiest sports club, there are so many shekels bent from the heart that you simply cannot have athletes. I am sure that the North Koreans are all free. Therefore, the results at the Olympics
                      4. Professor
                        Professor 16 March 2013 21: 06
                        -2
                        If instead of "do" I wrote "enjoy" would you be okay with that?

                        such technologies are not shared

                        Even how they share. Pakistan is "friendly" with Iran. During the bombing of a reactor in Syria, North Korean specialists were killed, and Iranian scientists were present at the latest tests in Korea itself.

                        This suggests that the sowing of Koreans has a certain, and absolutely not low level of fundamental science.

                        how he was in the USSR and the USA as much as 60! years ago (3 generations).

                        Even Gaddafi almost made an atomic bomb and would have done if he hadn’t bought the promises of the West. And what kind of science there was in Libya, just brilliance - solid Nobel laureates.

                        And yet - at the last Olympics I didn’t notice the Israelis

                        attempt of trolling and flood
                      5. aksakal
                        aksakal 16 March 2013 21: 46
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        how he was in the USSR and the USA as much as 60! years ago (3 generations).

                        Even Gaddafi almost made an atomic bomb and would have done if he hadn’t bought the promises of the West. And what kind of science there was in Libya, just brilliance - solid Nobel laureates.
                        - since then, young people, fundamental science has not progressed much. A little later, holography was invented (by Denisyuk, theoretical premises were developed in the 40s of the last century by some English scientist), a laser (Upatnieks with Basov and Prokhorov at the same time independently of each other), a couple of discoveries in the field of nonlinear dynamics and in the field of experimental physics (J. Alferov, after which the Internet could appear) - that’s probably all! Since then, science has stood still! So your chuckles about the fact that Koreans have reached the level of the USA and the USSR as much as 60 years ago - a little past -)))). It is no wonder to catch up with those standing.
                        And do not even argue that what makes you feel the unrestrained movement of science forward is actually an endless improvement of previously developed inventions, which is actually not a science, but a technology - an application of science designed to apply scientific achievements in everyday life. And there have been no new fundamental discoveries for a long time. And something is not shining. So in the courtyard a crisis of science is raging, the culprits are amers. They defeated the USSR, where the emphasis was on fundamental science, as a result of which the emphasis was on technology. So technology will soon be bent, as they exhaust the reserve of fundamental science.

                        Quote: Professor
                        Even Gaddafi almost made an atomic bomb and would have done if he hadn’t bought the promises of the West. And what kind of science there was in Libya, just brilliance - solid Nobel laureates
                        - Where was Gaddafi's bomb? What are you talking about? Could it be from the opera that Saddam already had a bomb? Colin Powell waved something, justifying the invasion of Iraq in the Security Council, and where is the bomb? Professor, I have convincingly asked you not to lie and to LET AMERICANIANS LIES AS ARGUMENTS, this is really very annoying. I ask again.

                        Quote: Professor
                        attempt of trolling and flood
                        - This is not an attempt, it is a fact. Challenge him. Almost before the finish of the London Olympics, the DPRK national team went third (!) To collect medals, google it and make sure, only at the end it rolled back a few steps below! And those athletes are not at all like starving. Please note that the DPRK is a tiny power with a small population, and how many medals have been cut! And where is Israel, proud here as it were of its position in world society? Where are the medals? You claim that they are starving there, bring incomprehensible photos from false resources, I can’t prove the opposite, because I haven’t been to the DPRK, but on a purely logical basis, by the appearance of the Olympics, the presence of high-tech weapons, I conclude that there are no so bad neither with science, nor with industry, nor with sports and in general with life. Therefore, leave North Korea alone.
                      6. Professor
                        Professor 16 March 2013 22: 01
                        0
                        Since then, science has stood still!

                        You continue to amuse me. I have something to do with science and personally see how it "stands still" for the last 60 years.

                        This suggests that the sowing of Koreans has a certain, and absolutely not low level of fundamental science.

                        I repeat - achieved by others as much as 60 years ago. Since then, how many works have been declassified, read and do the bomb yourself.

                        And there have been no new fundamental discoveries for a long time.

                        The Nobel Committee disbanded itself, and RAS academics trade salted fish in the bazaar. wassat

                        above I convincingly asked you not to lie

                        Start with yourself and bring the promised photos from Detroit. hi

                        Read and if you can draw conclusions: Gaddafi's nuclear program

                        but the materiel is for you (I understand that you believe exclusively in Soviet newspapers as the most truthful, nonetheless)
                        Libyan nuclear nuclear
                        Gaddafi's nuclear weapons are a canard
                      7. aksakal
                        aksakal 16 March 2013 23: 28
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                        Quote: Professor
                        You continue to amuse me. I have something to do with science and personally see how it "stands still" for the last 60 years.
                        - Dear Researcher, give examples of SIGNIFICANT DISCOVERIES at a fundamental level since then, otherwise I’m somehow unfamiliar laughing laughing
                        I’ll clarify non-linear dynamics - these are the work of Prigogine and Haken, IBM employees P. Bak, K. Wiesenfeld and C. Tang, authors of the theory of self-organized criticality and the works of Lotfi Zadeh, who designated only the initial stage in understanding processes in very complex systems, including the head one brain. Since then there is also a dull silence! Although amers really need smart robots laughing In physics, as string theory appeared forty years ago, no one can prove or disprove it since then. laughing With a bit later superstring theory, the same thing is speculation, nothing more laughing And yet - I ask you not to mention how significant the transition in the field of microchips from the standard is, let's say 90 to smaller sizes - I already noted that this is NOT SCIENCE, but technology, the application of science. Otherwise, completely lose in my eyes! Significant discoveries. Especially in recent years. You have discoveries, you are engaged in science - and tell you. And then I somehow do not know about breakthroughs in fundamental science -))))))
                        Quote: Professor
                        I repeat - achieved by others as much as 60 years ago. Since then, how many works have been declassified, read and do the bomb yourself.
                        - I repeat - since then, neither the States nor anyone else has any qualitative changes in knowledge. Caught up as 60 years standing in one place.
                        Quote: Professor
                        The Nobel Committee disbanded itself, and RAS academics trade salted fish in the bazaar.
                        - read Jeff Hawkins "on intelligence", he also complains there that only commercially significant areas are financed and none more, and this is in the States, where to print a dollar and give scientists two fingers on the asphalt. Is it much better than salted fish?
                        Quote: Professor
                        materiel for you (I understand that you believe exclusively in Soviet newspapers as the most truthful, nonetheless)
                        Libyan nuclear nuclear
                        - I read, it is the very vyser that is being invented to substantiate the attack on any country.
          2. hrych
            hrych 16 March 2013 19: 11
            +4
            It is the collapse of the "golden billion" I would not advocate, well, social programs will be reduced, well, they will not change cars so often, well, the rightists and National Socialists will come to power, etc., in general, they will be in Europe, incl. in Israel to live more modestly, but no more, there will certainly not be hunger. In the United States, there is a separate topic, there is a factor of instability - 100 million people of color, and now fat blacks receive benefits from which the government pays off, but the moment has come and there is no money for social services, and chaos and riots of the colored population in miniature have already happened there. But besides Europe, Israel and Russia, there is also a billion-dollar Africa, the Arab world and Asia with India and China. So the collapse of capitalism will smudge on them. Thus, the capitalist Arab world, led by Egypt, was already the first to go to pieces.
            Actually, the transition from wild capitalism to a planned economy in Europe, and even yours, is not such a big problem, would be the political will to pinch bankers.
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 16 March 2013 20: 03
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    North Korea already in the Stone Age, and itself climbed there.


    Well, civilized Israel also arranged a stone back for Bedouins in the West Bank.
    For almost 20 years, Israelis have been taking garbage to the West Bank. And some time ago, in the village of Al-Jabal, located just a few tens of meters from the dump, Bedouins were forcibly resettled. Due to the chemicals contained in the garbage that enter the soil and water, many residents suffer from serious illnesses.
    link

    Yes, and some areas of Tel _Aviva also resemble the Stone Age.
    Taken from LJ
    This is real Tel Aviv
    You know, all sorts of citizens who posted photos on their blogs from Cuba or the DPRK, from Africa and broadcast superiorly about the beautiful Europe or the United States, greatly drove me. And about Israel-only positively. Otherwise, they will blame and bane for anti-Semitism. Let them try to do this with me :-) Moreover, this is only part of the photos I plan for the exhibition. I am somewhat lazy and specially walking and riding - I crowbars. But I promise there will be photographs from Haifa and Be'er Sheva, from Jerusalem and Beit Shemesh. And then from Jeruham with Dimona ...
    So, Tel Aviv. Cheerful second capital of Israel. All species are not from the southern, poor part of the city. This is the entire Allenby district, Dizengoff and the waterfront. But I plan to visit the district of the old and new bus stations. For great accuracy.

    Next photo here

    Here it is the Israeli spiritual component of the board, drugs and LGBT people, so before pouring shit on others, patch the current sewer pipes in your houses, and when talking about chauvinism, do not forget about the Bedouins in the dump
    1. Professor
      Professor 16 March 2013 20: 20
      -2
      Tell us more about how party meetings talk about how they negro lynching. In response, I will not spread such collections from Moscow and St. Petersburg.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 16 March 2013 20: 58
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        Professor - "I will not spread" - and you lay it out - I'm waiting
        1. Professor
          Professor 16 March 2013 21: 08
          -1
          Young man, do not poke an adult, you have not been taught this at home?
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 17 March 2013 17: 02
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            Quote: Professor
            Young man, do not poke an adult, you have not been taught this at home?

            - so where is the photo, professor?
          2. Professor
            Professor 17 March 2013 17: 10
            +1
            Right after your "starving kids in Detroit" laughing
            And here's an "expert" organization leading the fight obese children in Detroit.
            Metro Detroit combats childhood obesity
            I wonder who they are dreamers here or ... wink

            PS
            Imagine what a horror. Michelle Obama is not aware of the starving children of Detroit and has launched a campaign to combat childhood obesity in Detroit. Write her a letter - open her eyes to life in America.
            http://www.letsmove.gov/

            PPS
            I spent valuable time on a useless conversation with you and lost the last drop of respect towards you, calling you an elder does not turn your tongue. Therefore, I will not begin to read your letters and will move you to the next step to the ignore sheet. The loss will not be great since you are not thinking anything at all in the military topic, neither in materiel, nor in tactics, and indeed in nothing army. I have not learned anything valuable and interesting from you. request mәңgі қosh bol
          3. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 17 March 2013 19: 41
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            Quote: Professor
            Michelle Obama is not aware of the starving children of Detroit and has launched a campaign to combat childhood obesity in Detroit.

            Michelle Obama is cool.
            But such a cool video about North Korea
            [media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = 82bRySh0OkI]
          4. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 17 March 2013 19: 45
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            [media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = 82bRySh0Ok]
            prosperous korea
  • almost demobil
    almost demobil 16 March 2013 19: 38
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    urich
    Here, the same story about the same can be repeated as with Yugoslavia, which by the way very conveniently later bent under the amers, only those in general thought that they were generally in the anus., And these think that they are Dartanyans. And against the general background, they create problems for everyone. Although while these fanatics frolic, Russia can have some benefits.
  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 17 March 2013 04: 12
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    Quote: urich
    In addition to ideology, there is an instinct for self-preservation. When people see that their "pukalki" do not bring significant damage to the enemy, while they themselves will die like flies, all ideology and fanaticism will disappear. When North Koreans are confident that they have the most advanced weapons, it will hurt to perceive the reality. But about the sea of ​​blood, I agree with you, that's why I wrote in my post, God forbid, war.

    Well, when a nuclear bomb is blown up near the US Navy and their last pair of non-rusty aircraft carriers will go to the bottom ... I think the Americans will say "well nah".
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 18 March 2013 12: 43
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      Quote: almost demobilized
      Here, the same story can roughly be repeated as with Yugoslavia, which by the way very conveniently later bent under the amers,

      Tell us in more detail how Yugoslavia caved in under the Americans, and how Russia, tail-tailing silently stood aside (I'm not talking about Russians, but about the Russian government of that time).
  • Cpa
    Cpa 16 March 2013 08: 33
    +1
    If amers can conduct exercises nearby, then why can’t the North Koreans ... It is necessary to show the people that the new leader is not afraid.
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 16 March 2013 08: 42
    +1
    Frank insanity, apparently a desire to prove himself the leader of the nation, is going through the roof - there is a lot of testosterone.

    Quote: KPA
    It must be shown to the people that the new leader is not afraid.

    Yes, "the next Korean sun" is the successor of the family clan of political shamans.
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 16 March 2013 09: 42
    0
    The hamster Eun shows his bolts. Probably he himself hid in the generic bunker, like they would suddenly answer ...
  • Vladimir 70
    Vladimir 70 16 March 2013 09: 45
    +2
    Of course, "Juche ideas" raise many questions and are hard to understand .... But let's take a real look. In 2010, a South Korean warship was sunk, killing more than 70 people. The media raised a howl blaming the northerners. True, it later turned out that the torpedo was European. I have a question: who is more frostbitten - northerners or still European people?
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 16 March 2013 10: 45
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    North Korea has one of the most powerful Armies in the world. It’s a pity that they didn’t get anywhere. Here Americans probably managed. More and more and more and more savably they spit in the direction of shit! Hooray Juche!
    1. Professor
      Professor 16 March 2013 11: 06
      -1
      North Korea has one of the most powerful Armies in the world.

      Fairy tales. They have not been fighting with anyone for 60 years, and the technical condition is just tin.
      1. toldanger
        toldanger 16 March 2013 11: 43
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        Prove the links? This is all speculation. This is primarily the Chinese ally and its satellite. Enough gunpowder there Southerners it’s nice to drop it about 20-30 years ago.
        1. Skunk
          Skunk 16 March 2013 15: 53
          -1
          Who can they omit? They are scampering to the South, the whole world community will lower them, and China, if it does not help the community, will at least stand by and pretend that nothing is happening.
          1. AlNikolaich
            AlNikolaich 16 March 2013 17: 07
            +1
            Quote: Skunk
            Ripple to the South, the whole world community will lower them, and China, if it does not help the community, will at least stand by and pretend that nothing is happening.

            So, because of China, the so-called "World Community" will not let go! Bark, growl and shut up! Japan does not harness (it has the same name from the army and the navy). Europe and nah .. in Korea, hope nothing. Will the mattress climb? Then immediately Iran and China will get angry!
            And the crisis erupts!
            1. Corneli
              Corneli 17 March 2013 08: 13
              +1
              Quote: AlNikolaich
              Japan does not harness (it has the same name from the army and navy).

              As for the Japanese fleet, you bent it ... They have one of the strongest in the quiet)
      2. aksakal
        aksakal 16 March 2013 23: 39
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        Quote: Professor
        Fairy tales. They’ve been at war with nobody for 60 years, and the technical condition is just tin
        - tin is what you print on the basis of liberal media. Create long-range missiles - it’s not for you to print about tinplate -))). Where else are they fighting? In Mali? Now, if you printed about Mali like that, it would be true, but not about the DPRK
  • Trevis
    Trevis 16 March 2013 11: 09
    +1
    Does the crisis flare up?
  • toldanger
    toldanger 16 March 2013 11: 40
    +1
    North Korea is still a little animal ... But the Koreans are desperate people. And China has long been supplying them with weapons. For it is their unsinkable aircraft carrier.
  • Aryan
    Aryan 16 March 2013 13: 47
    0
    the launch order was ordered by theirs Marshal X * Well,
    info 1000500% bully
  • washi
    washi 16 March 2013 14: 08
    +5
    Have you ever tried to think more globally? Koreans, unlike the Chinese, amazingly fit in and fit into our society. Back in the 19th century, Russia was the only state capable of withstanding the onslaught of Japan. During the Japanese occupation, their emperor was hiding in the Russian embassy.
    Introduce our troops to control their vigorous program. To attract North Koreans, instead of the Chinese, in the agriculture of Primorye, Sakhalin, and Amur. A part of their manufactured products should be sent to North Korea. To do this, restore the military state farms that supplied military units during the Soviet era. At the same time, conduct joint exercises to remove weeds in the fields, planting cabbage, etc.
    All these measures, given the performance of Koreans, are self-sustaining.
    1. Yura
      Yura 16 March 2013 14: 53
      +1
      Quote: Vasya
      All these measures, given the performance of Koreans, are self-sustaining.

      Well, that would be interesting. Only their Kims will agree to this, provided that they become at the same time the president of Russia.
    2. aksakal
      aksakal 16 March 2013 23: 41
      +1
      Quote: Vasya
      Have you ever tried to think more globally? Koreans, unlike the Chinese, amazingly fit in and fit into our society. Back in the 19th century, Russia was the only state capable of withstanding the onslaught of Japan. During the Japanese occupation, their emperor was hiding in the Russian embassy.
      Introduce our troops to control their vigorous program. To attract North Koreans, instead of the Chinese, in the agriculture of Primorye, Sakhalin, and Amur. A part of their manufactured products should be sent to North Korea. To do this, restore the military state farms that supplied military units during the Soviet era. At the same time, conduct joint exercises to remove weeds in the fields, planting cabbage, etc.
      All these measures, given the performance of Koreans, are self-sustaining.
      - at the very top I voiced something like this, I'm glad that we understand-)))
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 16 March 2013 16: 18
    -1
    Honor dofiga, but this is all empty. Throw them a little rice and sugar (figuratively speaking) and they shut up as cute.
    1. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 16 March 2013 17: 12
      0
      Yes her, rice and sugar are not enough here! More serious help is needed.
      And Kim is not sitting right now. Kim Il-sung. There was a man. Granddaughters will be weak, and that charisma is not!
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 17 March 2013 01: 13
        +1
        Quote: AlNikolaich

        Yes her, rice and sugar are not enough here! More serious help is needed.
        And Kim is not sitting right now. Kim Il-sung. There was a man. Granddaughters will be weak, and that charisma is not!
        - To be honest, I hoped that Kim Jong-un would go along the Chinese path and at least in the economy weaken rigid ideological dogmas. After all, China, while remaining a communist power, did just that - we see the result. But something he did not go there, not there.
        A pity, there’s still a chance. The people there are probably educated, according to the socialist dogmas of socialist society, a universal secondary education is sufficient and sufficient for the needs of the state. Labor is probably inexpensive, which means that produced in North Korea will have export potential.
        Surely Eun has such plans. But you need to achieve the lifting of sanctions. Probably decided to press from the heart, then show goodwill in exchange for a similar manifestation of such a will on the part of the States. But the States do not care to the South Koreans, they showed it well when the Amer driver knocked a bunch of South Korean kids and did not bear responsibility for this thanks to the patronage of the state government. Hence the conclusion - in order to achieve their geopolitical goals on the Korean Peninsula, the Amers are ready to put a bunch of South Korean citizens in the light and not even frown. Yes, the patron of South Korea - you will not wish the enemy.
        We summarize - if the situation is not stopped, China and Russia do not intervene here, be a war, and be a bloody war
        1. Yura
          Yura 17 March 2013 09: 55
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          Quote: aksakal
          We summarize - if the situation is not stopped, China and Russia do not intervene here, be a war, and be a bloody war

          I also have almost no doubts.