ESA's published images of Yuzhmash after Oreshnik's arrival have raised doubts about their authenticity

The expert community continues to discuss data from the European Space Agency satellites in terms of displaying the state of the Dnepropetrovsk Yuzhmash plant after the use of a hypersonic ballistic missile by the Russian Armed Forces missiles "Hazel".

After a protracted period of "impenetrable" cloud cover, European satellites are finally showing the Yuzhmash territory in their images, while the monitoring site indicates November 24, 2024 (three days after the impact) as the date of the shooting.

In the pictures, the buildings on the territory of Yuzhmash look intact, except for the workshop complex adjacent to Parkovaya Street. Some damage to the integrity of the buildings in the area of ​​the Yangel Design Bureau is also observed. Otherwise, everything is "intact."

It is noteworthy that attempts to zoom in on objects in satellite images for more detailed "visualization" do not produce results - everything in this case is displayed as muddy and blurry. This is extremely strange, especially considering that the cameras of the Earth's surface monitoring satellites in the ESA were called "one of the best in their class". For comparison - the resolution of Google images of the same Yuzhmash workshops, June 2024):

Also noteworthy is the uncharacteristic display of district information by dates. If the same Dnepropetrovsk on ESA satellite images is dated November 24, then Krivoy Rog, located just a few dozen kilometers from the regional center, is dated November 16, Pavlograd is dated October 22. That is, data from satellite images within one region sometimes differ by more than a month when they are entered on the site.

But this is not the last oddity. Weather data sites indicate that on November 24, the data for which is displayed by the ESA satellite monitoring site, there was cloudy weather in Dnepropetrovsk. In the picture, however, it is sunny, with a minimum of small clouds. And this is after a whole day of precipitation on November 23:

Could it be that the arrival of the Oreshnik somehow incomprehensibly caused problems with the clarity of images from European satellites and, what’s more, caused a change in dates on the ESA monitoring resource...

Comments

[Machito]

It looks like the arrival wasn't sour after all.
If everything were intact, then the pictures would be detailed to prove that Oreshnik is a scam, Putin is a liar.

[AVA77]

Not at all.
There is a report from the Ukrainian Air Defense Forces.
Shot down 117 Drones, 72 calibers, 55 X-22, 41 Iskander, 38 X-101, 26 S-300, 20 Onikos, 16 Daggers, 12 Zircons, 8 Yars, 5 Oreshnikovs. 3 meteorites, 1 green UFO.

[Aerodrome]

show OUR pictures to dispel doubts...and yes, tomorrow is the 30th...should we wait?

[Ruslan M]

The fact that we don't have any pictures suggests two options and both of them are sad. The first option is that we simply have nothing to take pictures with and the entire satellite constellation works at the level of the 70-80s of the last century, like beep-beep-beep and that's it, the second option was a bulge and there's really nothing to show. Someone will say that otherwise the Ukrainians would have shown that there was zero result, but why would Ukraine take and show a picture of a military facility... for better targeting or something? In general, at first I was glad when they threw a response, but now this silence only raises questions.

[Vlad is short]

Don't be sad, Ruslanchik, our guys don't publish any photos of the destruction of objects deep in the rear.

[sergej987]

And a Polish tractor! ,,,,

[Ezekiel 25-17]

You forgot about Belochka, colleague.

[Reklastik]

The green UFO returned to base, slightly scratched, North Korean media reported from their branch on the Moon.

[karabas-barabas]

So if this is a nuclear weapons carrier with a CEP of hundreds of meters, what accuracy can be expected and, accordingly, the effectiveness of destruction? Moreover, without any warhead.

[Machito]

Have you seen the video of the covering? The landing was 6x6. It lay quite compactly. One landing was slightly to the side. It turned out to be dense. I think that such an landing could demolish the Kyiv dam. It will not flood the left-bank Kyiv, but it will wash away the Hydropark.

[karabas-barabas]

Concentrated? The video covered several kilometers, which was the spread. This weapon does not imply any precision, since it carries nuclear warheads that cover an area the size of a city.

[Lemon]

Cheaters in the West! Many channels almost immediately said that these pictures were fake! The same thing happened with the Jewish air base after the Iranian strikes.

[ASSAD1]

And when will we publish our photos? We discuss enemy information but have no information of our own.

[vik669]

When you want to fool the whole world, tell the truth.

[Zoldat_A]

When our "Yuzhmash" is taken, we will see for ourselves, without Ukrainian photo-toaders.
Unless by then I have to add...

[ASSAD1]

With all due respect, don't we have our own satellites?

[Blackmokona]

The author would like to know how Google maps work. Lol
Google simply takes free photos and inserts them into its service. Where a fresh photo was taken, it is fresh, where it was not taken, it is not fresh. Beautiful, highly detailed photos from airplanes, and photos of mediocre quality from satellites. It updates only when someone puts them in the public domain, and does not order new ones, etc.

[Huarabey]

There is another oddity. Google Maps has a "slider" of shooting dates. If you look at a certain area and click on the left bracket each time, then the previous photo by date is shown each time, so now at Yuzhmash the date of the photo sometimes changes, but the photo itself does not. It turns out, roughly, there are fifteen shooting dates, and ten photos themselves. Some photos "cover" several shooting dates. Perhaps this is because one of the "missing" photos is now being passed off as a photo of Yuzhmash after the strike.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Warabey

Perhaps this is because one of the "missing" photographs is now being passed off as a photograph of Yuzhmash after the strike.

You're just making up pure conspiracy theories here. As if Google can't delete any photos it wants. Lol

[Huarabey]

Of course it can. The question is - why?

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Warabey

Of course it can. The question is - why?

Well, you came up with something like some kind of damage to hide.

[Huarabey]

I'm not making anything up, I'm telling it like it is. And who knows what the reasons are for this.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Warabey

I'm not making anything up, I'm telling it like it is. And who knows what the reasons are for this.

If Google censors, it simply blurs a certain area. The Chinese do the same with their services. And I think Yandex works similarly.

[Huarabey]

Well, they could have blurred the old photo that was removed from the maps so that it could not be identified as an early one.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Warabey

Well, they could have blurred the old photo that was removed from the maps so that it could not be identified as an early one.

Why blur the old one? Just don't add a new one.

[Huarabey]

Well, some photo had to be shown, where there was no destruction. And if there was, then what photo would have to be shown? That's right - an old one. And so that no one could prove that the photo was old, then it had to be removed from the archive.

[helilelik]

Yandex always shows crap everywhere. Probably, just in case.

[Serg koma]

Quote: BlackMokona

how google maps work...... It only updates when someone puts it in public access

They are not updated since 2022 for political reasons and it does not matter who, when and where posted the photo in open access. You can check (for example) for Artemovsk, and DPR for LBS until 2022.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Serg Koma

They are not updated since 2022 for political reasons and it does not matter who, when and where posted the photo in open access. You can check (for example) for Artemovsk, and DPR for LBS until 2022.

It's enough to simply not put it out in the public domain so that Google doesn't pick it up.

[Serg koma]

Quote: BlackMokona

Google maps work. Lol
Google just takes free photos and inserts them into their service.......... don't put them in the public domain so that Google doesn't pick them up

Don't contradict yourself as a Google expert.
Photo of Artemovsk from 17.05.2023 in the public domain. Google - Auuu

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

— “I am satisfied with the ruins of Yuzhmash!” ...

[Mwg]

Well, why not? They elevated digital technologies to an absolute blessing, and now we are surprised "oh, oh, oh, did they really change the picture???" But these are real cartoons, in which, as I recall, the Russian Federation was caught. Whoever owns the picture, changes it! )))))
It will get worse, 100%. It will always get worse, because unbridledness comes from impunity. It's a pity for the population of planet Earth. Soon they will start stupidly implanting electrodes into the brain and showing cartoons right there.

[navigator777]

So what's the problem? Judging by the fact that the strikes have continued, the West is not impressed with the response. Moreover, no one gives a shit about Yuzhmash, which wasn't even damaged :laughing
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[Evgeny]

Where are the pictures from Russian satellites, please tell me???

[Blackmokona]

Quote from Evgeny

Where are the pictures from Russian satellites, please tell me???

The question goes to Rogozin.

[Ilialex]

And where is the General Staff's report to the Military District website?!

[carpenter]

Quote from Evgeny

Where are the pictures from Russian satellites, please tell me???

And who will show them to you? They will show them when needed (you need to have your own satellite).

[vikk62]

There is something wrong with your logic. If the strike, as stated, was to show that we have such weapons, then I should have shown photos of the aftermath of the strike.

[carpenter]

Quote: vikk62

Your logic is not right.

Your logic is European.

[vik669]

Where where - yes in Kolyma and anyone ... can go for a short time, at least for ten years and look so that I don't look anymore, I don't want to ask. Of course, you can go not to Kolyma but to the nearest madhouse - they will accept you and show you ... !

[SkepticOptimist]

Quote: BlackMokona

The author would like to know how Google maps work. Lol
Google simply takes free photos and inserts them into its service. Where a fresh photo was taken, it is fresh, where it was not taken, it is not fresh. Beautiful, highly detailed photos from airplanes, and photos of mediocre quality from satellites. It updates only when someone puts them in the public domain, and does not order new ones, etc.

Who are you trying to prove it to? They can't really calculate the energy of the "Oreshnik" blocks when they fall and use the calculator https://service-online.su/text/measure/?inp1=килограмм%20тротила&inp2=ждоул&type=4 to convert the energy of a TNT explosion into joules! Otherwise, they wouldn't be talking nonsense about the unprecedented universal shock from "Oreshnik".

[Mwg]

"...translation of the energy of the explosion of TNT into joules!" what translation of TNT? English scientists with Ukrainian scientists have already proven that there was nitroglycerin there. You have fallen behind the rapid news

[Volodin]

Quote: SkepticOptimist

conversion of TNT explosion energy into joules!

And if a brick falls on the owner of this calculator's head from a height of, say, 50 m, how many joules will it show in terms of TNT?

[Montezuma]

Quote: Volodin

Quote: SkepticOptimist
conversion of TNT explosion energy into joules!

And if a brick falls on the head of the owner of this calculator

Why "if"?

[Wildcat]

Now the question of "an effect comparable to a strategic weapon" has been removed, IMHO.

The question actually arose about "strategic weapons" and their effect - couldn't we buy them from the Chinese, just in case? Well, just in case, so that it would be Chinese? Or from North Korea, they have some?
We should at least take a couple hundred from our allies.

In the photographs, the buildings on the territory of Yuzhmash look complete, except for the complex of workshops adjacent to Parkovaya Street.

And what can you see there near Parkovaya Street?

[Askold65]

Quote: Wildcat

The question actually arose about "strategic weapons" and their effect - couldn't we buy them from the Chinese, just in case? Well, just in case, so that it would be Chinese? Or from North Korea, they have some?

Everything is heading towards the fact that we ourselves, following the example of Ukraine’s Western partners, will begin selling strategic weapons to anyone and everyone: from Hezbollah and the Houthis to Iran and the DPRK.

[SkepticOptimist]

Quote: Bearded

It looks like the arrival wasn't sour after all.
If everything were intact, then the pictures would be detailed to prove that Oreshnik is a scam, Putin is a liar.

Please show detailed photographs from other sources (RF, China, DPRK, Iran, etc.). You have them, judging by your confidence.

[Askold65]

Quote: SkepticOptimist

Please show detailed pictures from other sources.

Look... what did you want? The CIA would hang themselves for photos like these...
Like there: We have such photos... But we won't show them to you.

[Olesya Lesya]

Our Ministry of Defense and Putin have detailed photos, it is not for nothing that he howled with satisfaction and did not hide his joy after the strike. We are simple people - they come and give us, they don't want to. The main thing is that the leadership is aware of it. And also: the main damage and ruins are just underground. The specialists immediately said that this type of weapon (even without a warhead) is aimed at deep objects - and what is on the surface is just incidental.

[vikk62]

The main thing is that the strike was intended for the West. But we will not show anyone the photos of the aftermath of the strike. Logic!

[Olesya Lesya]

and who will take photos for you underground? Maybe you have a spy there?

[BigBoss]

They won't just mess around with the photos. That means there is something to hide. But we would like to see our photos, or do we not have such opportunities? After all, we don't know how to play PR and, unfortunately, we don't learn.

[voyaka uh]

There are opportunities. Russian satellites provide worse images,
but if there had been any noticeable damage, it would have been noticeable.
And they would probably be highlighted with a colored marker.
In my opinion, dividing 6 warheads into 6 more submunitions each,
was a mistake. The speed dropped and the destructive effect was significantly reduced.

[Askold65]

Quote: voyaka uh

Russian satellites provide worse images,
but if there had been any noticeable damage, it would have been noticeable.

In addition to Russian satellites, Russian drones with high-resolution cameras also fly there.

[Tagan]

In my opinion, dividing 6 warheads into 6 more submunitions each,
was a mistake

I imagined it this way: some guy from the street comes to the design bureau and tells other guys who have been developing it for decades, like, “divide 6 warheads into 6 more submunitions each,
"was a mistake." They looked at each other and at this guy and realized that all their years of work had gone down the drain. All they had to do was call a passerby from the street to explain what was going on.))

[Montezuma]

Quote: Tagan

I imagined it this way: some guy from the street comes to the design bureau and tells other guys who have been developing it for decades, like, “divide 6 warheads into 6 more submunitions each,
was a mistake."

Are you humiliating a seasoned expert commentator like that? And in vain, it's high time for specialists from the Design Bureau and representatives of the General Staff to take a closer look at the advice on forums like VO, because such talents are wasted. You don't even have to rack your brains - take a ready-made solution and implement it. And you say - some dude.

[Tagan]

I have long noticed this expert, as well as his inclinations.))

[sifgame]

This is not just a passerby, but a passerby with a very large humped nose. If anything, he said so about himself))).

[SkepticOptimist]

Quote: MVG

"...translation of the energy of the explosion of TNT into joules!" what translation of TNT? English scientists with Ukrainian scientists have already proven that there was nitroglycerin there. You have fallen behind the rapid news

This is news: there was nitroglycerin in the crowbars (iron, tungsten?)?
It has not been used in its pure form for about 150 years...
Military engineer Vasily Petrushevsky was the first to produce it in large quantities; under his leadership, nitroglycerin was used in mining in 1867. In 1863, Alfred Nobel invented an injector-mixer for producing nitroglycerin and a detonator cap, and in 1867, dynamite, obtained by mixing nitroglycerin with diatomite (diatomaceous earth).
-------------------------
Nitroglycerin tab. sublingual, 0.5 mg, 40 pcs. price 81 rub.

[Volodin]

It seems that the author of the comment should have written sarkazm especially for you

[SkepticOptimist]

Quote: Volodin

Quote: SkepticOptimist

conversion of TNT explosion energy into joules!

And if a brick falls on the owner of this calculator's head from a height of, say, 50 m, how many joules will it show in terms of TNT?

Can you count it or are you too lazy? That's why I gave the link.

[SkepticOptimist]

Quote: Volodin

It seems that the author of the comment should have written sarkazm especially for you

It's hard to tell who's being sarcastic and who's being serious.

[Volodin]

Quote: SkepticOptimist

It's hard to tell who's being sarcastic and who's being serious.

That's what I'm talking about. It's impossible to take seriously your link to converting the TNT equivalent to joules for the case of a brick (and if the temperature of the "brick" is also 3800 degrees at the moment of contact with the target)

[Vlad2012]

Even our drones flew over the Dnieper. What's the question? In general, clouds are no obstacle for satellites. If there is a radar for mapping the surface. Even trenches are visible from space.

[Volodin]

Quote: Vlad2012

In general, clouds are no obstacle for satellites. If there is a radar for mapping the surface. Even trenches are visible from space.

It is strange that for 3-4 days the clouds were an obstacle for the satellites, and then suddenly they stopped being an obstacle

[SkepticOptimist]

Quote: Askold65

Quote: SkepticOptimist

Please show detailed pictures from other sources.

Look... what did you want? The CIA would hang themselves for photos like these...
Like there: We have such photos... But we won't show them to you.

I'm not asking him to watch porn*
------
*Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, Article 242. Illegal production and circulation of pornographic materials or objects.
Rhetorical question: "By the way, what is the legal production and circulation of pornographic materials or objects?"

[Montezuma]

Quote: SkepticOptimist

Rhetorical question: "By the way, what is the legal production and circulation of pornographic materials or objects?"

I don’t recommend thinking about this, this problem will be more complicated than the topic of TNT, joules and falling bricks.

[SkepticOptimist]

Quote: Volodin

Quote: SkepticOptimist

It's hard to tell who's being sarcastic and who's being serious.

That's what I'm talking about. It's impossible to take seriously your link to converting the TNT equivalent to joules for the case of a brick (and if the temperature of the "brick" is also 3800 degrees at the moment of contact with the target)

You have a mistake: nobody heated the "brick" to 3800 degrees in advance at the moment of contact with the target, otherwise this thermal energy would be summed up with the kinetic energy before the impact, and the kinetic/thermal/potential energy as a result of the impact. The specified kinetic energy turned from kinetic to kinetic/thermal/potential. Heating to a certain temperature and the accompanying destruction is the energy released as a result of the impact. An impact is a short-term interaction of bodies, during which a redistribution of kinetic energy occurs. An impact is often destructive for the interacting bodies (but not always, for example, in billiards, the kinetic is simply redistributed between the interacting bodies: cue, balls, friction, cushions, etc.).

[wladimirjankov]

ESA's published images of Yuzhmash after Oreshnik's arrival have raised doubts about their authenticity

So publish the pictures from our VKS satellites so that no one has any doubts. Or their quality is also not up to par.

[amr]

Where are our photos? Where are our satellites? Why are we waiting for photos from the Americans?

[sdivt]

Strange article
Ambiguous.
I don’t understand at all why we need to discuss foreign photographs, build entire hypotheses, and speculate about what they are trying to justify or hide there, when we can directly and unequivocally publish our own photo facts?

[Lohmatyi_imperator]

Where can I see the results of the strike filmed by our satellites?

[Lptsk]

Contact the General Staff. All images from military satellites are classified information. Has the Pentagon provided many images? They are throwing in images from commercial satellites.

[vikk62]

You forgot that the strike was for propaganda purposes for the West. And you insist that it is a secret. Here are the pictures the West showed you. Where is the answer? I am 100% sure that we don't have them or there is nothing to show there.

[vikk62]

Nowhere. It's a military secret. they hit to show what kind of wonder weapon we have, but we won't show you the consequences. That is, propaganda in the dust

[Totor5]

I guess I'll have to take this town to make sure.

[nordscout]

The author in the studio!!!!!!!!!!!! Together with HIS photo materials (photo report) about the work done... This and only this way can we put the dots on the "i" in disputes, speculations and, simply, in all sorts of insinuations in domestic and "foreign" media, regarding the results of the "whipping" by "Oreshnik" of Ukroreikh...

[avdkrd]

I can imagine how our Aerospace Forces officers are giggling, having photos of the actual state, both their own and the bourgeois, as well as photos from monitoring drones, which, as practice shows, record the defeat of most attack targets.
Apparently, the time for marketing has not come and our people are happy to support the illusion of Oreshnik's inefficiency. After the shots of the strike itself, there are very few alternatively gifted people who are able to believe in a near-zero result.
We will wait for repetitions, on bunkers with VKK.

[Jul888]

To all open data spies and all impatient fools - to the address: 107031, Moscow,
ul. Bolshaya Lubyanka, building 1 - a color printout of satellite and aerial photographs is issued, which have a ooooohhhhhhhhh moral-psychological and mental impact on all types and varieties of brains and other half-empty cranial boxes, therefore, to restore health - on the back of the pictures - a ticket to the Black Dolphin for life! Free of charge

[Kusja]

In the video of the landing after contact, no flashes were observed. Accordingly, the charges or blanks went deep. Why then should any destruction be visible?

[Rustic i ......]

Quote: ASSAD1

With all due respect, don't we have our own satellites?

We asked for time off to attend our mother-in-law's funeral.

[CEBEP51]

According to the video, there were many hits, but the explosions were weak. This missile is more intended for nuclear explosives. Dynamite apparently does not fit in it.

[Locksmith]

Quote: Bearded

It looks like the arrival wasn't sour after all.

The earthquake in this area is a recorded fact, houses in the surrounding neighborhoods cracked and so did the foundations, so physics does not deceive us and megajoules did turn into heat and light, as usual with the Strategic Missile Forces.
Here some people are making fun of it, like a warhead = only 16 shells from a 152 mm howitzer. Absolutely forgetting that this energy was released in a very short time. During this time, the metal does not have time to complete a phase transformation and evaporates. Well, like with lasers. This energy of the evaporated metal/stone is quickly transferred to the air, which, expanding, heats up even more = this is a supersonic wave, a person, even in PPE, cannot exist in it.

[Andrey_5]

Imagine the territory of Yuzhmash, no hazelnut tree in the form of a single missile with blanks will destroy it, and if it does destroy it, then let the Ministry of Defense give a satellite photo - before and after, they periodically share, but not this time, which kind of hints that there is nothing to brag about.

[Dynamic Sounds]

Quote: Andrey_5

Imagine the territory of Yuzhmash, no hazelnut tree in the form of a single missile with blanks will destroy it, and if it does destroy it, then let the Ministry of Defense give a satellite photo - before and after, they periodically share, but not this time, which kind of hints that there is nothing to brag about.

You should be more concerned that there is still no boasting from Ukraine that Oreshnik is a child's fart and hasn't really spoiled anything

[Sergey Egorov_3]

So without a warhead, this is a warning, not an attack, there are no explosions even on the video

[Vlad is short]

All these NATO photos are crap, they don't want to make their allies and ordinary people nervous with the results of the strike. And the number of people willing to build military factories in Ukraine may also decrease significantly.

[Samyuel]

Los informes de satélites anglosajones son como las repentina muertes por fallas cardiacas de instructors de OTAN en Ucrania