It's time for military news from Syria

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It's time for military news from Syria

Flow News The reports of large-scale military actions in Syria began to thin out by the summer of 2020. The attacks by radicals from Idlib province, which were supported by Turkey, did not bring results for them or Turkey. That round ended in favor of Damascus.

Ankara was forced to close down some of its strongholds remaining in the Syrian rear, the most important route between Aleppo and Damascus (the M-5 highway) became completely free, the city of Saraqib, one of the main transport junctions, was recaptured with heavy losses for the radicals, Turkish proxies and the Turkish “vacationers” themselves.



Damascus did not have the strength to suppress the radical enclave in Idlib, but they also did not have the resources to organize serious attacks. A border was established along the northern M-4 highway, which runs through Idlib, for which Ankara was primarily responsible. And, surprisingly, it even tried to fulfill its obligations there.

Everything flows, everything changes, it's time to hear familiar names in the news again, since the Idlib groups, with the support of Turkey, not only attacked in the eastern direction, but also reached the outskirts of Aleppo, returning the situation back to 2016. And this situation, it must be admitted, is quite serious. This is a very important pattern on the carpet of current international politics.

The results of what has been repeatedly described as a kind of “window of opportunity” that was deliberately or forced into existence as a result of the summer political battles in the United States can be seen in a variety of places.

Israel was the first to use it and the first to complete the work, moving on to the revision of acquired and disposed assets. Ukraine will climb into this window with animal persistence until the very last moment. There are many other points in the world where different players are trying to take something, albeit not in such a terminal version.

It would be strange if Turkey did not try to take advantage of this situation. We are seeing this attempt right now in Syria - Ankara is trying to come out by January with new assets, with new positions for a big bargain. It is even doing this late, apparently having focused too much on Israel and Lebanon.

The offensive is now taking place on a very broad front, and it appears that Ankara has deployed all the active forces of its proxies there, and is also pushing and even driving forward the entire armed cesspool that has accumulated over the years in Idlib.

Regretting how once again neither the Syrians, nor ours, nor the Iranians saw such a concentration of forces is, in general, an unproductive matter. For Damascus and its supporters, it is now important not to repeat history with Palmyra in 2016 and not fall into the trap set in the south of the country.

The battles are not only in the Anadan Valley (the very suburb of Aleppo), but also practically within the boundaries of western Aleppo. In fact, the jihadists and their Turkish counterparts are trying to repeat the "mother of all battles" (attempts to unblock Aleppo) only with the hope of a better outcome.

They actually have enough forces, since the Idlib radicals alone can field up to 12-15 thousand fighters, and from the north, pro-Turkish proxies are already moving towards the city of Tel Rifaat. In total, this is up to 40 thousand fighters, not counting the Turkish army already participating.

The city of Tel Rifat is occupied by Kurds and anarchists from the PYD, but there were Russian military police forces in the area. They are, naturally, being withdrawn from it.

In fact, the Turkish army will now, together with the forces of the controlled movements, put pressure on the PYD, but put pressure in such a way as to push the Syrians specifically into the city of Aleppo, giving the forces from Idlib the opportunity to take as much as possible.

The relationship between Idlib radicals and Turkey is actually quite strained. Simply put, these forces are alien to Ankara, they do not work for Turkish interests. The radical stench that has now gathered in Idlib and is storming the province of Aleppo is a collection of movements close to Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), previously financed in Syria by the CIA (see the so-called "Podesta letters" of WikiLeaks), the most hardened radicals from Syria itself (the environs of Damascus, Daraa), jihadists from Central Asia and Africa, as well as the remnants of ISIS (banned in Russia), who turned out to be in demand in Idlib as "valuable specialists".

Among the attackers, everyone is visible: Turkish special forces, Central Asian militants, and straight-up ISIS members, who are dressed in a specific military uniform in the pseudo-Afghan style (a one-piece shirt without a collar to the middle of the thigh), only now it is not black or gray, but in camouflage colors. Distinguishing marks are blue and yellow electrical tape, which is also a kind of message to B. Assad, Moscow and Iran.

They move exactly in the ISIS tactics - at high speed and in many columns, flowing around strong points. There has never been a continuous line of defense in Syria, but why there was no monitoring from the air after so many years is, of course, a question.

The scale of the offensive is truly significant, something that has not happened for a long time. This offensive cannot be stopped quickly, and it will not end quickly. Firstly, because by cutting off the M-5 highway, the delivery of forces and resources to the city of Aleppo itself will be very complicated, and secondly, because of the relations between Ankara and the Idlib cesspool.

R. Erdogan has been in a specific position with regard to them for a long time, when their previous Arabian patrons and the USA do not give money for Idlib, and Turkey cannot carry foreign forces on its own for long.

Ankara is also incapable of abandoning them and boycotting them, since they are already part of domestic Turkish politics, where Bashar al-Assad is a priori the enemy of all good people, and all who fight him are fighters, including for the greatness of Turkey the liberator. It is not for nothing that so many Turkish observers with cameras are now running after the militants, savoring what is happening - they have a decent audience in Turkey.

However, for official Ankara these are alien elements, since R. Erdogan has long had his own forces on his payroll, which he places as a future political opposition to B. Assad and considers as part of the future political field of Syria under his influence and control.

The Idlib cesspool is not included in this policy, but it demands money, weapons, medical care, attention, shares in trade, etc.

R. Erdogan has two options: send this conglomerate to Africa for disposal or send it to B. Assad for disposal. The second option is the best for him, but very problematic for Syria, Russia and Iran.

In this version, he utilizes the cesspool, which captures as much as it can, and on its shoulders introduces his forces, up to and including official troops, “for the sake of stability and peace” (as usual).

The most unpleasant thing here is that the Syrian field had been warming up since the beginning of summer. Such a development of events was quite probable, although not 100% predetermined. It was simply necessary to prepare response scenarios for them.

Each variant of events in such a general window of opportunity had its own chances for development: both pressure on Iraq and the Kurds, and pressure on Lebanon. But the window of opportunity works for everyone, not just for Turkey - Damascus, Iran and Moscow could have taken advantage of the instability in the Euphrates region, as well as the new relations between the Arabs and Iran (these are related elements). But, as they say, we have what we have.

Unsightly pictures from Syria will be coming out frequently now, there will be a lot of them, and there will also be a lot of alarmism in the style of “Aleppo will fall soon.”

The Syrian campaign in the past has regularly provided situations triggered by some unique "jambs", to put it simply. There were also some very dramatic moments, like the storming of Deir ez-Zor, in which ISIS was assisted by the American aviation, and the city itself, which had been under complete siege for several years and was supplied by air, was hanging by a thread. The defense of Aleppo had been extremely dramatic even earlier.

For Syria, Iran and Russia (and now we have to remember again that we are going in tandem here) the best option (office) would be to grind up the Idlib cesspool and, based on the results of its disposal, as in 2020, enter further into Idlib on its shoulders, occupying territories.

Moreover, if events develop in a frankly negative way for the cesspool and the Syrians have a significant advantage, even R. Erdogan will later say that, well, that was the plan. However, this is precisely the cabinet option. And the realistic option will most likely turn out much more difficult.

The fact is that in the past, three military forces operated on the side of Damascus in Syria, which were at the forefront of the offensive or were on the defensive in the most difficult areas: the world-famous “W” group, the 5th assault brigade “Tiger” of H. Suheil, assembled from the best elements, and the military wing of the Hezbollah movement.

Hezbollah forces have not been active in recent years, but they have always been a factor in the presence and reserve. There were also mechanized experimental units that were under the command of M. Assad.

It will not be possible to call Group "W" for defense today for obvious reasons; it will be difficult, if not impossible, to gather the same number from Hezbollah after the Lebanon campaign. And the problem with the transfer of other Syrian units will not be technical, but strategic.

It is not for nothing that Israel, having violated all the rules, has secured its position behind the demarcation line on the Golan Heights. As soon as Damascus begins a mass transfer of its best units to the north, Assad is guaranteed to be hit by the activation of the opposition in the south - in the same Daraa region.

It is not for nothing that this area has been actively “warmed up” by protests since the beginning of the year. To get something similar to the situation of 2012-2013 in the suburbs, which are often a solid urban agglomeration, is a very unpleasant option for official Damascus, which can only be stopped by a full-fledged military presence and preferably strong units.

In theory, the Iranians could land in Syria, but then Israel would enter the game with traditional sabotage under the banner of “defending itself from Hezbollah.”

Now many war correspondents who previously wrote about the Syrian campaign are asking questions about where the forces of the same H. Suheil are. The question is logical, but B. Assad is also in a difficult position here, a very difficult one, he must be vigilant about a blow to the underbelly from the south. At the moment, a general mobilization has been declared in Syria, which shows an understanding of the depth and scale of the threat.

In fact, as has been written many times before, Russia will have to leave its inactive position on Syria, and one of the important tasks will be to stop Damascus's possible problems from the south. This is a question of multilateral diplomacy.

We'll have to send additional aircraft there again, as cover. Defense, and given that the Idlib cesspool will now definitely have “its own” MANPADS, it is possible that Ukrainian operators will also dronesThe Ukrainian GUR will also be there, if only because it cannot help but leave its signature there, and it will clearly not be limited to blue and yellow tape for Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia) and ISIS (banned in Russia) militants.

Iran will have to start transferring its proxies from Iraq - expensive, complicated, but there are practically no options here. It is only strange that this has not been done before, but nowadays there are many strange things in general.

For Russia, this is, of course, a serious diversion of forces to a direction that was supposedly considered potentially calm, but at least Lebanon should have already made it clear that this is exactly the direction things are heading. The loss (even if temporary) of positions in Syria will have a rather sensitive effect on the value of Russia's negotiating assets as a whole. And after January there will be a very large negotiating round, and such a situation cannot be allowed.
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  1. +17
    30 November 2024 02: 58
    words fail me...everything seemed to be held together by our Wagners, they "left" and it began...
    1. +9
      30 November 2024 03: 03
      Well, in general, the situation is difficult, to put it mildly, while the material was being written and processed, the radicals already occupy +-45% of Aleppo in one or another density of control, roaming around the center and the Citadel. Very close to the configuration of 2015 early 2016 - where they started, that's where (in terms of Aleppo) they ended up. But there are a lot of throw-ins now and the radicals' media is very active - they're pouring out pictures in droves.
      1. +9
        30 November 2024 10: 13
        They took all of Aleppo. All the Syrian authorities and troops have already fled from there.
    2. +7
      30 November 2024 06: 08
      Quote: Aerodrome
      everything was similar to our Wagners, they "left" and it began...
      I can assume that this is only the beginning of the bargaining for Ukraine. Something like, we give up Syria, and you give us Ukraine. Or at least part of it.
      1. man
        0
        30 November 2024 13: 04
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        Quote: Aerodrome
        everything was similar to our Wagners, they "left" and it began...
        I can assume that this is only the beginning of the bargaining for Ukraine. Something like, we give up Syria, and you give us Ukraine. Or at least part of it.

        or at least Crimea, or at least Sevastopol, or "no coat needed"
      2. 0
        2 December 2024 10: 29
        Nothing has started and is already ending. The situation repeated itself, as in the Kharkov and Kursk regions. A vigorous raid, but as soon as they ran into more or less defense, they fizzled out. Now Iranian proxies from Iraq will catch up. Now the most important thing is not to let the rats escape back to Idlib.
    3. +8
      30 November 2024 12: 41
      It seems there is no need to rush to accept Turkey into BRICS.
      Let Türkiye join the European Union. They have been waiting for it there for a long time. And they are ready to wait another hundred years. laughing lol wassat
      1. man
        +7
        30 November 2024 13: 09
        It seems there is no need to rush to accept Turkey into BRICS.

        Well, you are just a sadist!!! For humanitarian reasons, I suggest that we traditionally limit ourselves to tomatoes! And buy Iranian ones out of spite
        1. +3
          30 November 2024 13: 15
          Quote: mann
          It seems there is no need to rush to accept Turkey into BRICS.

          Well, you are just a sadist!!! For humanitarian reasons, I suggest that we traditionally limit ourselves to tomatoes! And buy Iranian ones out of spite

          No sadism. No.
          Pure pragmatism. wink
          The entrance ticket is expensive and will be sold at our price. Yes
          Erdogan wants to play his own independent game: Great Turkestan, including Yakutia, Kazakhstan, etc. Well, good riddance to him. The pan-ataman has no gold reserves for the "great" Turan. Kick Erdogan in line to the European Union and let him trample there for a hundred years with an outstretched hand, like Zelensky. wink
          1. man
            +2
            30 November 2024 13: 20
            Well, if you insist... I don't mind. smile
            Kick Erdogan into line at the EU and let him trample around there for a hundred years with his hand outstretched, like Zelensky.
            It won't work, the animal protection society will be furious. "Bolivar can't handle two!"
  2. +14
    30 November 2024 03: 24
    The Turks are clearly working in conjunction with Israel.
    1. +3
      30 November 2024 08: 51
      Quote: StopTheUSA
      The Turks are clearly working in conjunction with Israel.

      That's why Erdogan welcomed the Hamaseks, who were kicked out of Qatar, with open arms.
      1. man
        0
        30 November 2024 13: 12
        Quote: Nagan
        Quote: StopTheUSA
        The Turks are clearly working in conjunction with Israel.

        That's why Erdogan welcomed the Hamaseks, who were kicked out of Qatar, with open arms.

        I'll continue: Netanyahu's spawn. Apparently he's been reading Gogol: "I spawned you, and I'll kill you!"
      2. 0
        1 December 2024 02: 29
        Here we are friends, but here we are not.
        This is completely normal practice for geopolitics.
        Especially for the East.
        Turkey has roughly the same relations with us, with the USA, and in some ways with China.
      3. 0
        1 December 2024 12: 16
        That's why Erdogan welcomed the Hamaseks, who were kicked out of Qatar, with open arms.

        This canard has long been refuted. There is no Hamas there.
        By the way, Erdogan supplies Israel with Azerbaijani oil.
    2. -4
      30 November 2024 11: 36
      Yeah, a Turk and a Jew will be brothers forever. laughing Calm down already, gentlemen anti-Semites, stop seeing the "hand of bloody Jews" everywhereYes
      1. +4
        30 November 2024 11: 53
        The devil's best joke is to convince everyone that he doesn't exist. Which, given my control over the media, isn't difficult at all.
      2. +4
        30 November 2024 12: 05
        Well, it’s not for nothing that pro-Turkish militants trampled Palestinian flags on camera... wink
        1. man
          +4
          30 November 2024 13: 29
          Quote: Popuas
          Well, it’s not for nothing that pro-Turkish militants trampled Palestinian flags on camera... wink

          They were Jewish paratroopers in disguise.
  3. +15
    30 November 2024 04: 11
    This has never happened before and here it is again.
    In general, I have already stopped being surprised by the past.
    All the successes of our enemies and opponents are all our shortcomings, failures and shortcomings.
    It is depressing that we will have to waste our precious resources again, spill the blood of our soldiers, and so on without end or edge.
    1. +7
      30 November 2024 09: 02
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      It is depressing that we will have to waste our precious resources again, spill the blood of our soldiers, and so on without end or edge.
      That's not necessary. Let Iran provide boots (shoes, flip-flops) on the ground. It will deploy Hezbollah there or the Houthis, so dear to the hearts of many writing here. Or send its vaunted IRGC warriors. In short, meat. And let the Russians do much more intellectual things, befitting white people - bomb someone, send missiles to the address of concentrations of Allah-babah, provide satellite data, or electronic warfare, in general, what can be done where even artillery cannot reach.
      1. +4
        30 November 2024 11: 38
        So, American, you are right. Yes hi
        1. +2
          30 November 2024 15: 27
          As if between the lines the American is hinting that Russia doesn’t need to milk the American cow. He’s not just an American, but also an elector of presidents. smile hi
      2. +2
        30 November 2024 16: 17
        What's the point of this? Do you mean holding Assad, who is supported by 10-15% at most? Who represents a minority, Alawites and Shiites, while 70-80% of Syrians are Sunnis and were second-class citizens under the elder and then younger Assad, without much chance of making a career, which was the main reason for the civil war. Back then, in 2, I said that it makes no sense to fight, suffer losses, equipment and ammunition of Russia for this not only lame, legless duck of Assad, and before that, since 2015, to supply him with hundreds of tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, etc. And if they went for such colossal expenses, then they should have at least ensured that Assad changed his policy, went to meet the Sunnis, and not sit on the bayonets of the Russian Armed Forces, Hezbollah and Iran. Or it was necessary to seek contact with Sunni leaders who could be loyal to Russia.
        1. -1
          1 December 2024 11: 58
          Assad is supported by about 80%. That is how many people fled to the area of ​​territory he controls in 2015, escaping from the bandits.
          1. 0
            1 December 2024 14: 58
            Quote: The Meaning of Life
            Assad has about 80% support

            A strange statement if we recall the course of the civil war and Assad's position in 2015, when the battles were already going on for Damascus and only the massive participation of the Russian Federation helped Assad to hold on, who since then has been holding on not with 80% of the population's support, but with the Russian Armed Forces, Wagner, Hezbollah and the KSIR. 80% of the population are Sunnis and they, to put it mildly, do not like Assad.
            1. +1
              1 December 2024 15: 53
              They may be Sunnis, but they chose to live under Assad rather than their "brothers in faith" who opened slave markets.
              1. 0
                1 December 2024 15: 56
                What do you mean they preferred? There were probably elections and they chose Assad? The Sunnis had neither elections nor a choice under whose rule to live. And in my opinion, today's events perfectly demonstrate what the Sunnis want. If there were now queues of Sunnis signing up for Assad's army, then we could say the same.
                1. 0
                  1 December 2024 15: 58
                  They fled to the territory he controlled (about 30% of Syria) to escape their Sunni brothers.
                  1. 0
                    1 December 2024 16: 00
                    They fled wherever they could, about 2 million to Europe, 4 million to Turkey, the rest to places where there was no fighting.
  4. +16
    30 November 2024 04: 31
    Bad. Very bad. And we haven't fully sorted things out with our "brothers" yet. It's all strange... The Turks are messing things up and we trade with them and go on vacation... Diplomacy, damn it...((
    1. +9
      30 November 2024 05: 03
      We sell gas through the Turks and receive parallel imports. We will not be able to present them with anything significant.
    2. +3
      30 November 2024 11: 27
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Bad. Very bad. And we haven't fully sorted things out with our "brothers" yet. It's all strange... The Turks are messing things up and we trade with them and go on vacation... Diplomacy, damn it...((

      Rospotrebnadzor is about to announce the closure of the tourist flow to Turkey, due to the discovery of E. coli on the beaches.
      1. +1
        30 November 2024 12: 01
        Yes, even if you sell seats closer to a nuclear explosion to the Russians - they'll go anyway for any amount of money. That's just their nature. The more complicated and forbidden something is, the more we need it. There are idiots in their 5th to 8th month of pregnancy traveling abroad so that they can be returned to their homeland on a separate Emergencies Ministry flight. In the Orenburg region, there was one doctor who didn't have a license to treat, so the patient had to be sent to Orenburg on a Mi-8 straight from his treatment session. So the regional Ministry of Health filed a lawsuit for almost 1 million rubles - because they don't...
    3. 0
      1 December 2024 16: 04
      Interesting discussion about traveling to Turkey.
  5. +4
    30 November 2024 05: 05
    And are the rubber products that glorified our colonial expedition in Syria still happy that they helped the US crush ISIS and put a large expeditionary force “hostage to friend Erdogan”? How are liberated Palmyra and Deir ez-Zor? They are more important than Donetsk, Shebekino, Belgorod (not to mention Sudzha), aren’t they? Is Borya Rozhin (the leader among all the rubber products mentioned) as happy about our “victories” in Syria as he was in 2015-2016? In Syria, generals received "Hero" medals for honoring the operations conducted by the Wagner PMC with their high presence... Thousands of tons of ammunition fired by our and Syrian artillery at the militants of the damned ISIS (prohibited from being mentioned in the "Good Night, Little Ones!" program), who were an unrealistic threat to Moscow, Rostov-on-Don and Kursk in 2015-2017... Thank God - they were defeated and are not advancing on the Russian Federation from the south, having broken through the territory of Turkey, Georgia and Armenia... Huge amounts of equipment (the Syrians were armed with new tanks and guns) and ammunition were spent into the bottomless hole of the "Syrian adventure".
    P.S. The question of the timely withdrawal of our expeditionary force in Syria has long been "overripe".
    1. -13
      30 November 2024 05: 25
      Where does this expression come from? The Syrian campaign is generally one of the most meaningful actions in the field of foreign policy. How many "new tanks and guns" did they give to the Syrians? All the armored vehicles went there, they didn't leave anything for themselves. Donbass is Donbass, Syria is Syria and these are different directions, which were supervised by different figures. To put it mildly, I am not a fan of Kassad at all, but the same Nesmiyan with his "why did we enter Syria" is no better. Different directions, different policies, different tasks and different curators. The fact that they ran into a strategy after the spring of 2020 is obvious, but this did not negatively affect the Ukrainian case in any way. Rather, it helped in terms of relations in the raw materials sector. In fact, all this is still dragging on them for now.
      1. +6
        30 November 2024 05: 32
        Quote: nikolaevskiy78
        How many "new tanks and guns" were given to the Syrians?

        Now our army is fighting in the North-Eastern Military District, including on ancient Soviet T-62M and T-55 tanks, while the Syrians were given modern T-72B3 and T-90A tanks.
        1. +12
          30 November 2024 05: 38
          There were 56 T-90 tanks in Syria that they bought with money. Did they make the weather in Ukraine?
          And how about 1200 T-90s in India, 600 in Algeria, even Azerbaijan has almost 100? In Iraq (!) there are more than 70 pieces winked
          And questions for Syria? Well, ok.
          1. +1
            30 November 2024 05: 51
            Please also indicate the number of T-72B tanks of various modifications transferred to the Syrian army since 2015 to complete the picture.
            1. -3
              30 November 2024 05: 58
              And Kalashnikov assault rifles and cartridges for them, SVD and cartridges for them, mortars and ammunition, count the fuel costs for transportation Novorossiysk-Tartus, kerosene for flights, bandages and promedol, grain, rice and frozen humanitarian chicken. Then count everything. If "completeness" is needed, but there will always be an argument that Syria did not give something for today. Who prevented Syria from producing T-90 from 2016 to 2022, personally B. Assad, Hezbollah or Bedouin Abu Qasem? belay
              You are mixing the immiscible.
          2. +6
            30 November 2024 07: 38
            Quote: nikolaevskiy78
            There were 56 T-90 tanks in Syria that they bought with money.

            What kind of money does Syria have? They don't have and never had money. But the other examples you gave were paid in foreign currency.
            1. 0
              30 November 2024 07: 50
              Nevertheless, it is true. Assad actually paid for some of the heavy equipment. As for "never" it is also a stretch - they paid. The bastions were not supplied for free by the same
              1. +6
                30 November 2024 10: 16
                Quote: nikolaevskiy78
                Nevertheless, it is true. Assad actually paid for some of the heavy equipment. As for "never" it is also a stretch - they paid. The bastions were not supplied for free by the same

                They didn't pay before the war and Russia wrote off tens of billions of debts. And even more so after the war.
                Give a non-repayable loan and pay from it. On paper it's paid, but in reality it's free
      2. +4
        30 November 2024 10: 55
        The Syrian campaign is generally one of the most meaningful actions in the field of foreign policy.

        Without irony, what was the point of it? What did this campaign bring in terms of gains and benefits?
        1. +1
          30 November 2024 16: 41
          Without irony. If the discussion on the issue of political motives can become too large in volume, then on the issue of the military component everything is obvious.
          HTS (banned in Russia) is Julani and Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), it is a direct line to Bin Laden and the whole cesspool that has brought us so much in the past years. This is not something separate - it is one and the same. And how much more these "valuable specialists" will work, no one can say. If there is an opportunity to dispose of them in the humus there, then this must be done. Why all this was not brought to the end and the current "movements" in Syria is already a matter of a separate discussion again
          1. 0
            30 November 2024 22: 10
            The answer is clear, thank you. It would be better to have something like "get a base in the Eastern Mediterranean" or "ensure a military presence in the Middle East". However, given the Turkey factor, these considerations, yours, make little sense, let's say.
        2. -1
          1 December 2024 12: 09
          Without irony, what was the point of it? What did this campaign bring in terms of gains and benefits?

          Company:
          1) Saved millions of Syrians from total annihilation.
          2) Preserved our ally and naval base in the Mediterranean Sea.
          3) The most important thing is that it did not allow the bandits to move to their next target - the Caucasus.
          Putin has made many fatal mistakes. But in Syria specifically, he did everything right. Only, as usual, he didn't finish it.
          1. 0
            1 December 2024 12: 48
            1) Saved millions of Syrians from total annihilation.

            I don't care, to be honest. Russia doesn't care either way.
            2) Preserved our ally and naval base in the Mediterranean Sea

            The potential of this ally is questionable - especially since Iran's influence there is not much greater. Tartus is good, but given the state of our Black Sea Fleet and the Turkish Straits factor, it is more like a suitcase without a handle.
            3) The most important thing is that it did not allow the bandits to move to their next target - the Caucasus.

            That is, Türkiye, which supplies, treats and supports these bogeymen in every possible way, does not bother you (as it once supported the Ichkerian fighters). Well, ok.
            Tightening of immigration laws, visa regime with Central Asian countries and total intolerance towards diasporas, preaching of radical Islam - would bring much more benefit.
            Instead of resolving the issue with Ukraine, they went to the ends of the earth to bomb the bogeymen. They wasted time, resources, and, as it turned out, in vain.
            1. 0
              1 December 2024 13: 27
              Instead of resolving the issue with Ukraine, they went to the ends of the earth to bomb the bogeymen.

              Not instead, but after. They got into Syria in September 2015, when the multi-move player had already signed the Minsk agreements twice and surrendered Donbass.
              The issue with Ukraine should have been resolved in 2014. Then it would have been done in a couple of weeks. But they chose shame over war, and as a result they got both.

              I don't care, to be honest. Russia doesn't care either way.
              Once upon a time, central TV said exactly the same thing about Donbass.
              1. 0
                1 December 2024 14: 20
                The issue with Ukraine should have been resolved in 2014. Then it would have been done in a couple of weeks. But they chose shame over war, and as a result they got both.

                I'll just give you a screenshot of what I wrote on VO 6 years ago. P.3
                Once upon a time, central TV said exactly the same thing about Donbass.

                I don't care what central TV says, I don't watch it.
                Donbass is Russian land and Russian people live there. That is why it is important for Russia.
                What's going on in Syria is absolutely irrelevant. How someone is cutting and shooting each other there is a piece of cake.
                As well as the eternal Arab-Jewish war. More victories and successes for both opponents.
      3. +2
        30 November 2024 11: 43
        The expression is correct, since time has shown that the effect of our actions was close to zero.
        1. -4
          30 November 2024 12: 59
          Quote from AdAstra
          The expression is correct, since time has shown that the effect of our actions was close to zero.

          Weapons were tested in combat conditions. Combat experience was gained, including by the VKS. The Amerz were not allowed to devour Syria. There are advantages.
          But the Syrian army is something. To go and love everything again. There are simply no words, except for banners. angry
          1. 0
            1 December 2024 12: 50
            Weapons were tested in combat conditions. Combat experience was gained, including by the Aerospace Forces.

            Given the enemy's lack of air defense, the experience was limited. It may have caused harm by slowing down the arrival of the same gliding bombs.
        2. 0
          1 December 2024 12: 00
          There was an exhaust, we just relaxed after it.
    2. +1
      30 November 2024 12: 01
      "The question of the timely withdrawal of our expeditionary corps in Syria has long been "overripe." - withdraw your expeditionary forces from there, and you will receive the enemy's expeditionary forces on your territory. The example of Ukraine has apparently taught you nothing.
      1. -1
        30 November 2024 12: 06
        Quote: Ivan F
        receive enemy expeditionary forces into your territory.

        We already have the Khinzirs occupying a whole district in the Kursk region. And there is no common border with Syria. The front to the west of Aleppo has collapsed, the Syrian soldiers have traditionally fled, abandoning artillery and armored vehicles. They have also set up ours, a couple of days ago the homeless posted a photo of our dead special forces guy.
        1. +2
          30 November 2024 12: 16
          We have Tajikistan with Uzbekistan and the surrounding area nearby. And among those who have now taken Aleppo, there are plenty of these very "citizens". And here are the options - either you destroy them in Syria, or they will come here. Have you forgotten Crocus already?
          It is possible to leave as you suggest, but in a few years, our southern border will then border with Iglstan. And then when they - encouraged by the Turks (and the States) will go to our land to clear it for the construction of the great Turan, it is a matter of time. Ukraine is a good example of what happens when you leave somewhere and do not defend your interests there. Then others come to you, but with their interests.
          1. +2
            30 November 2024 12: 34
            Quote: Ivan F
            We have Tajikistan with Uzbekistan and the surrounding area nearby. And among those who have now taken Aleppo, there are plenty of these very "citizens". And here are the options - either you destroy them in Syria, or they will come here.

            So we have millions of them here. And every year hundreds of thousands more become citizens. They killed a hundred in Syria - brought a hundred thousand to Russia.
            Quote: Ivan F
            our southern border will then border with Igilstan

            Have you looked at the world map lately? How many countries like Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Iran do ISIS need to capture to be on the border with Russia?
            1. 0
              30 November 2024 12: 44
              "Destroyed a hundred in Syria - brought a hundred thousand to Russia." - these are the hundreds that need to be destroyed. If you don't know, it wasn't millions who stood on the Maidan, and its result is now known, and so much so that we still haven't figured it out.

              "ISIS members need to be captured" - there is no need to capture, it is necessary to put it into the heads of those already living. The USA did not capture Ukraine, but every Ukrainian is now ready to lay down his head for them. And with radical Islam - everything will be much cooler there.
              And the map - yes, I looked, Kazakhstan fits their plans very well. And nationalism has already awakened there and it only needs to be warmed up and supported, and then it will follow by itself.
              1. +4
                30 November 2024 12: 59
                "He who defends everything, defends nothing." While hundreds are being destroyed there, at the very least a demographic takeover of territory is taking place here. First you need to secure your home, and then look at distant approaches.
                Quote: Ivan F
                but every Ukrainian is now ready to lay down his head for them.

                A blatant lie. Not everyone. Millions of Ukrainians who have fled the country will not let you lie.
                Nationalism may have awakened in Kazakhstan, but it is mostly secular and Turkic. They will not welcome Arabs in their country.
                1. 0
                  30 November 2024 13: 38
                  "He who defends everything, defends nothing." - and we don't need everything, we need to at least defend Syria.

                  "While hundreds are being destroyed there, at the very least a demographic takeover of the territory is taking place here." - and you want those radicals who will lead the campaign for the "idea" to be drawn to this territory. Instead of destroying them there. Are you by any chance one of those who think that we lured them to the Kursk region so that they would be destroyed not "there" but here.

                  "First you need to secure your home, and then look at distant approaches." - Well, have we secured our home in the western direction? If you walk around your house calmly, it does not mean that no one will break in, or that it will not be blown up from the outside. I understand that you want to hide in a hole, not to show your nose from there. But alas, it does not work.

                  "Millions of Ukrainians who have fled the country won't let you lie." - and how, does that make you feel better? The BD is over and Kursk is free? Do you want the same thing to happen to you on your southern borders? Sure, the Turks are already acting, who is actively supporting the bogeymen in Syria now, with artillery and everything they can?

                  "Nationalism may have awakened in Kazakhstan, but it is mostly secular and Turkic." - there is only one nationalism. And what evil forces will take it up as a weapon, that is not important. And as for the Turks, Turkey is showing you this right now in Syria. If you don't understand it there, then it will show you here. And hiding here won't help you.

                  "They won't welcome Arabs in their country." - they will. Plus Islam takes up 70%. And the Turks will push through their Turan, just like the West pushed "democracy" in Ukraine. And who among our former republics gets into the Turan - and the Turan covers the territories of modern Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan. That's where they will work. And they will work so hard that Ukraine will seem like a piece of cake to you.
                  1. 0
                    30 November 2024 13: 59
                    Quote: Ivan F
                    but all this is not necessary, we must at least protect Syria.

                    At least the Kursk region...
                    Quote: Ivan F
                    and you want those radicals who will lead the campaign for the “idea” to be drawn to this territory.

                    And they are not catching up? Thanks to the wisest migration policy?
                    Quote: Ivan F
                    Well, have we secured our home in the western direction?

                    Well, there you go. If even in the western direction, right next door, with people of practically the same mentality, it didn’t work out, then where else can you stick your nose into the nest of eastern intricacies?
                    And what kind of tactics do Russia's enemies use - sending active Islamists to Syria? Wouldn't it be more effective to go straight to Central Asia, since you think they're targeting the Russian Federation?
                    Quote: Ivan F
                    If you walk around your house calmly, it doesn't mean that no one will break in or blow it up from the outside.

                    That's the thing, there's unrest at home. With an unstable rear, jumping on someone a thousand kilometers away is strictly contraindicated. Those same Turks will want to - I'll close the sky and the straits, and the entire Syrian group will be left without supplies.
                    Quote: Ivan F
                    Nationalism is one and the same.

                    There is not one. There is ethnic, religious, political and civil.
                    Quote: Ivan F
                    And the Turks will push through their Turan, just as the West promoted “democracy” in Ukraine.

                    A holy place is never empty. If Russia does not push through anything worthwhile (even in its own country), then others will. Which is what is happening, actually.
                    And considering the number of migrants in the Russian Federation itself, Türkiye or the USA have a breeding ground for terrorism already here and now.
                    And spending lives and money in Syria, when it could flare up in Russia at any moment, is unproductive.
                    1. 0
                      30 November 2024 14: 03
                      In general, in order not to breed unnecessary here, let's sum it up - I am for destroying radicals - there, without waiting for them to arrive here en masse. You suggest waiting until they all gain strength there and come here, to those who are already here.
                      1. +2
                        30 November 2024 14: 11
                        I am also for everything good and against everything bad. But reality makes its own adjustments. We should start not in Syria, but in Russia, with those who let radical elements in here. But bees usually don't speak out against honey.
                      2. 0
                        30 November 2024 14: 16
                        The conversation was not about here. Once again - you are against destroying radicals in Syria, but for waiting for them here. The conversation now is not about migrant policy here or the rights of blacks in Africa. The conversation is specifically about Syria. So - you are against our "work" there and want to leave. I do not agree with this, but I heard you.
                      3. +1
                        30 November 2024 14: 32
                        Quote: Ivan F
                        and for waiting for them here.

                        Don't wait, but secure the rear. We have already waited for tens of millions of migrants. And migration policy is the key point here. But when there is order in the rear, then we can look at the external approaches and do something.
                        You yourself admit that our leadership is a problem, and at the same time, as if nothing had happened, you talk as if there were geopolitical geniuses at the top.
                      4. 0
                        30 November 2024 15: 02
                        "Don't wait, but secure the rear." - and don't pay attention to those in Syria. I'm asking you a simple question that you can't answer - should we destroy the radicals in Syria or not? Yes or no.

                        "But when there is order in the rear, then we can look at the external approaches and do something." - then you will no longer be alive if you only look inward.

                        "and at the same time, as if nothing had happened, you reason as if there were geniuses of geopolitics at the top." - that's how you reason and hope that they will restore order here. No, that's why we need to hammer the radicals there, which is what we are doing. wink
                      5. 0
                        30 November 2024 15: 35
                        Leave these fables about us "protecting on distant approaches" to the official propaganda. It would be possible to believe this if the problem of radical Islamists was really dealt with in Russia itself. But if the problem is not solved here, then nothing will come of it there either. And resources (including, and above all, human ones) are not endless.
                        So the answer is no. In this situation and under this management, all this is questionable.
                        Quote: Ivan F
                        so you also think the same way and hope that they will restore order here.

                        I don't hope at all. I'm just presenting you with a fact.
                      6. -1
                        30 November 2024 22: 41
                        Hyperion,
                        "This could be believed if the problem of radical Islamists was really addressed in Russia itself."
                        It's strange, I was wondering what the leaders in Chechnya and Dagestan are doing.
                        And all over Russia they are catching jihadists (radical Islamists), among other things.
                        Or is it "other"?
                      7. +1
                        30 November 2024 23: 23
                        Quote: Vik Ganz
                        Or is it "other"?

                        This is different, yes. We are talking about migrants and migration policy. Some are caught, and some are not caught (Crocus). But the point is that millions of migrants are brought into the country without proper control and accounting. Some laws have begun to be adopted on this topic, but this is at best a very belated decision, and at worst - a show, as usual.
                        Quote: Vik Ganz
                        And did you hear what, I think, the USSR Minister of Foreign Affairs Gromyko said about this?

                        Have you heard that the USSR hasn't existed for 30 years?
                      8. -3
                        30 November 2024 22: 34
                        "Don't wait, but secure the rear."
                        So, in your opinion, it turns out that there is no need to fight in 404, since there are huge problems in the Ministry of Defense, where most generals steal like crazy? Or should we have waited until the president, having appointed a new Minister of Defense, brings order to the ministry?
                      9. -2
                        30 November 2024 22: 28
                        Ivan F, you probably haven't thought about why Russia isn't participating
                        "in the Israel-Palestine and Israel-Syria controversy"?
                      10. -3
                        30 November 2024 22: 24
                        "...We need to start not in Syria, but in Russia, with those who allow radical elements to enter here."
                        The State Duma of Russia is already adopting "necessary laws". For migrants.
                      11. +1
                        30 November 2024 23: 06
                        I am in favor of destroying radicals there, without waiting for them to arrive here en masse.

                        Syria was a convenient sandbox, some played war games, others watched a cool action movie on TV.
                        As the events of 2022 showed, the military did not learn anything useful there, and there was no practical benefit for Russia

                        After 2022, Syria has become an unnecessary burden. That's the whole story.
                    2. -2
                      30 November 2024 22: 11
                      "...The same Turks will want to close the sky and the straits, and the entire Syrian group will be left without supplies."
                      And did you hear what, I think, the USSR Minister of Foreign Affairs Gromyko said about this? We'll make a new strait, but the city of Istanbul will no longer exist. Or do you think Russia doesn't have enough "determination"?
                    3. -2
                      30 November 2024 22: 21
                      "... And considering the number of migrants in the Russian Federation itself, Türkiye or the USA have a breeding ground for terrorism already here and now..."
                      Thank God, even the State Duma of Russia, although a little late, "has become concerned about the situation of migrants." And is beginning to pass the necessary laws.
                  2. -2
                    30 November 2024 21: 58
                    I don't know about Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, but in Turkmenistan there were schools and (the Turks decided to start a university). But it didn't work out. The schools were closed. And the university didn't work out at all.
              2. -2
                30 November 2024 21: 50
                The US 404 didn't take over? And five billion dollars (Nuland) you "lent" to the residents of 404?
      2. +5
        30 November 2024 12: 29
        Quote: Ivan F
        withdraw your expeditionary forces from there, you will receive the enemy's expeditionary forces on your territory. The example of Ukraine apparently has not taught you anything.

        Yes, we have heard many times "stop Islamists at their distant approaches" and we see the result - Islamists are already here, settling former Russian cities in the Moscow region. Uzbeks go to Syria for an internship, and then buy Russian citizenship or just chill here for fun without registration or SMS.
        1. +2
          30 November 2024 12: 34
          This is precisely the problem of our leadership - when one thing is declared, someone does another, and the rest do a third. But the fact remains - let's not push there, it will be even worse here.
          1. +2
            30 November 2024 12: 37
            Quote: Ivan F
            But the fact remains - let's not put pressure there, it will be even worse here.

            Cleaning and tidying up should start at home, and not three seas away. Let them walk on their heads there. The current leaders are not capable of this organically, so we wait for them to die and hope that the Russian people will not die before them.
            1. 0
              30 November 2024 12: 47
              "cleaning and tidying up should start from home, not three seas away." - everything should be comprehensive. And cleaning only the house, leaving the dirt on the street, is useless - there will only be more dirt anyway. And in the end, it will swallow your house.
        2. -2
          30 November 2024 22: 45
          cloud,
          It's obvious from your writing that you write "Utsbeki". Or is this just a mistake?
          1. 0
            2 December 2024 01: 33
            Quote: Vik Ganz
            I can tell by how you write "utsbeki"

            Are you so worried about them that you can't eat?
  6. -2
    30 November 2024 05: 25
    and all with Kalashnikovs. The Pkm is easily recognizable.
    I wonder where the "firewood" came from?
    1. +2
      30 November 2024 05: 57
      and all with Kalashnikovs. The Pkm is easily recognizable.
      I wonder where the "firewood" came from?
      The AK is the most widely produced assault rifle in the world. We produce it, the Chinese... There are too many of them on the planet, and they are the best small arms: reliable and unpretentious.
      1. 0
        1 December 2024 00: 48
        Moreover, it is the best firearm: reliable and unpretentious.

        I'm sure you haven't even held one in your hands. My military service was enough to convince me that after the obstacle course, during shooting, a third of the AK-74s jammed.
        It is more suited to the characteristic of "easily copied", not protected by any licenses, patents, etc.
        1. 0
          1 December 2024 04: 11
          I'm sure you haven't even held one in your hands. My military service was enough to convince me that after the obstacle course, during shooting, a third of the AK-74s jammed.

          USSR Strategic Missile Forces, 86-88. Driver-mechanic MAZ 543. Regular - AK-74u. During shooting, he scored no lower than 4-ki. And when shooting was carried out during combat operations "in the fields", and you were on duty for a week, then you had to do the work for the entire division with ten people. Of course, I didn't hold it in my hands... laughing
  7. -2
    30 November 2024 05: 44
    R. Erdogan has two options: send this conglomerate to Africa for disposal or send it to B. Assad for disposal. The second option for him the best, but very problematic for Syria, Russia and Iran.

    Not only for him. The best for Israel too.
    1. +1
      30 November 2024 09: 14
      Quote: Stas157
      The best for Israel too.

      And what does Israel get out of this? On the contrary, Assad is a known and predictable enemy, and is so weakened that he definitely has no time for Israel. And now either Allah-babahi will crush him and reach the border of Israel, or some conditional Houthis will save Assad and also reach the border of Israel. Both are lovers of jihad, and Israel is the most suitable target for jihad for both of them. You can’t explain to them in words that this should not be done, and all other methods of explanation cost money and, what’s worse, people.
    2. -2
      30 November 2024 22: 48
      I recently read that it turns out that Israel is also “needed for stabilization” in the Middle (former) East.
  8. -1
    30 November 2024 05: 57
    Did the USSR supply all the rebels in the world with gunfire?
    Bravo Brzezinski! - at the expense of Russia, against Russia...

    Well, "stupid" Americans.
    1. -1
      30 November 2024 22: 51
      Vasya_2,
      If the Americans had better weapons, the Arabs wouldn't be running around with Kalashnikovs. That's how it is.
      1. -1
        1 December 2024 03: 02
        Quote: Vik Ganz
        If only the Americans had better weapons
        Have you ever held an AR-15 (the thing the M-16 is based on)? I have and even shot it. Even if you're not used to it, it's a little more convenient than the AK-47, at least because it's lighter, and the diopter sight always beats the open one, and you can easily put a collimator sight on the Picatinny rail on top, which is even better, or even a telescopic one. And the recoil is much weaker. Although, of course, when you do something with it, you have to think and remember, and with the AK-47, all actions are automatic (yes, a pun). lol But it's a matter of taste. And the prices on the American market are similar. What I'm not sure about is that the AR-15 will be as reliable in sand dust (practically the entire Middle East) or in mud (hello, SVO zone!) as it is in a shooting range.
        1. +1
          1 December 2024 14: 07
          The weight of the M16A4 (as well as the M16A2) without a magazine is 3,40 kg. With a full 30-round magazine - 4,00 kg.
          The weight of the AKM without a magazine is 2,93 kg. With a full 30-round magazine - 3,68 kg.
          The weight of the AK-74M without a magazine is 3,41 kg. With a full 30-round magazine - 3,94 kg.

          The diopter sight is good in bright light. In the twilight, it is inferior to the open one. And the diopter sight cannot be cleaned with bare fingers if it gets dirty, unlike the open one.

          Regarding reliability, the Americans complained very loudly in Iraq and Afghanistan:

          http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?11229-Vietnam-era-M16-rifle-shows-its-weaknesses-in-Iraq-combat&s=4590838d284b8241f0b4db3251c27627

          https://www.gun-tests.com/news/ap-weapons-failed-us-troops-during-afghan-firefight/#.XKqwLWMpD9I
          1. 0
            1 December 2024 14: 43
            By the way, the well-known Jessica Lynch and her unit were captured by Iraqi forces because their M16s jammed.
            https://www.upi.com/Archives/2003/07/10/Rifles-may-have-jammed-during-ambush/2721057809600/
  9. +2
    30 November 2024 06: 01
    Syria is somewhat reminiscent of Afghanistan, as soon as external support weakens, it immediately starts to crumble. It's time for the high offices to think about whether such a beautiful support is needed at all. Will Assad be able to carry out a mobilization? After a decade of citizenship. How much of the population is under his control, after screwing up the multi-million Aleppo? I hope that Turkish proxies will not carry out a mobilization in Aleppo now, such that Assad will eat shit and we along with him.
  10. +15
    30 November 2024 06: 11
    window of opportunity...

    It would be strange if Türkiye did not try to take advantage of this situation.

    They didn't crush the terrorists at the distant approaches. But they declared their victory. Three times! But in fact they decided the matter with another agreement. As a result, Syria remained a divided country, and the conflict - mothballed and sluggish. Consider it a time bomb. A real mine under the Syrian statehood.

    How did this happen? It's all because half-heartedness and not finishing everything is the signature style of one chess player. This confluence of circumstances was predetermined.
    1. -1
      30 November 2024 06: 18
      Because they entered a position at the center of the conflict. But the problem is that such central arbitration does not automatically imply maximizing the gain of one of the parties. This served as the main factor in the deadlock in the Syrian strategy, which became obvious in 2020. In the end, they pushed everything onto the "Astana format", but that's how it is - all formats and schemes are temporary, not eternal. So the time has run out, but for us as usual - winter has come, felt boots are in the attic, summer has come - sandals are there too.
      1. +6
        30 November 2024 08: 03
        Quote: nikolaevskiy78
        Because they entered into a position at the center of the conflict. But the problem is that such central arbitration does not automatically imply maximization of the gain of one of the parties.

        Hm arbitration, Assad's father came to power through a military coup, gave power to his son by inheritance, well, God bless him, that's how it is with the Arabs, the problem is that the Alawites are 10% of the population and they are all at the top of the military-political leadership, the Sunnis did not get anything in their country, a civil war was inevitable even without external factors, and with them, God himself ordered it. In 15, Assad sat on the throne essentially on our and Iranian bayonets, and this always worked so-so, remember from our history "English uniform, French shoulder straps, Japanese tobacco, Omsk ruler" or the last case of the Americans in Afghanistan. Naturally, when Russia and Iran had more pressing problems, everything fell apart. When everything calmed down, Assad needed to try to give at least visible rights to the Sunni majority, otherwise this music will last forever.
        1. -2
          30 November 2024 16: 18
          Everything was +- normal between Sunnis and Shiites, Alawites, Druze. Everyone, as then, is now represented in the army, industries, shares. Initially, Assad's uncle himself was at one of the helms of this civil war. What 10% was bothering him?
          1. 0
            1 December 2024 00: 01
            Quote: nikolaevskiy78
            Everything was +- normal between Sunnis and Shiites, Alawites, Druze. Everyone, as then, is now represented in the army, industries, shares. Initially, Assad's uncle himself was at one of the helms of this civil war. What 10% was bothering him?
            Yeah +- normal, like we had before 1917, everyone in equal shares? But the Sunnis didn't think so, which was proven by the current events, the bulk of the population is against Assad. If you're talking about Rifat, he has long-standing friction with the main branch of the Assads.
            1. +1
              1 December 2024 00: 09
              This war has long ceased to be about "Sunni-Shiites", but simply a mishmash of interests. And in the conditions of a total monetary deficit and a cracked financial network of Hezbollah, riots in some form were simply a matter of time. The Idlib cesspool has everything of its own - third in relation to Damascus, and in general to everyone around. The financial issue had to be resolved during the 4-year respite. Not to rely on Iranian supplies, Iran also does not have much in the way of free money.
              1. 0
                1 December 2024 00: 24
                Quote: nikolaevskiy78
                This war has long ceased to be about "Sunni-Shiites", but simply a mishmash of interests
                I agree with you, now yes, but initially the seed fell on extremely fertile soil, and now there are a bunch of external players. In 2020 it was already too late, we are extremely unstable in our foreign policy, and Iran was openly asking for trouble, with frankly weak cards and now they have started. The financial and political issue should have been resolved earlier, even before the war, Assad had 15 years to do this, but he either could not or did not want to. I think the Turks and his comrades will not be allowed to accelerate too much, the Americans will pull them back, so Assad will have a piece of his native land left.
    2. +11
      30 November 2024 07: 46
      As a result, Syria remained a divided country.

      I wrote about this when the citizens of Ur were shouting, and women were throwing their bras in the air. They were loudly beating the kettledrums. I wrote later that Syria was divided, but then powerful analysts on VO downvoted me. They proved how Russia had beaten everyone. And Turkey was lying at their feet. It will all end badly, as I wrote earlier, the US will feed Turkey the Syrian Kurds they support, Iran will not really interfere, weapons, this and that, Russia has no time for Syria, we have been liberating Donbass for the third year, Wagner, as a private company, has its own private interests in Africa, they will not go to fight for the "Syrian volost" for free. It remains to wish the Syrian people, who, however, have not become a nation, divided along religious and national lines, unification, fortitude and patience, not to rely too much on Allah, but on own strength.
      1. +2
        30 November 2024 09: 49
        Wagner, as a private company, has its own private interests in Africa, and they won’t go fight for free for the “Syrian volost”.
        They, in fact, have never fought for free. Nowhere. And they do not fight. Business, however.
        1. +4
          30 November 2024 11: 08
          And SVO is an awesome business, just awesome...
      2. -1
        30 November 2024 23: 03
        parusnik,
        Are you comparing Russia's SVO with 404? And in the Middle East, there are also 60 countries (the EU with South Korea, Japan and the rest of the trash) fighting against Assad?
        Wagner doesn't fight for free. And what about Syria's oil run out? And Türkiye stopped buying it?
  11. +8
    30 November 2024 06: 55
    It's time for military news from Syria

    In short, "Aleppo for three days"
  12. +9
    30 November 2024 06: 57
    For Russia, playing second fiddle again leads to a clear outcome. Sluggishness, lack of initiative, the ability to pretend that this was the plan, no longer surprises anyone. Russian realpolitik means only a reaction to external irritants.
    1. +6
      30 November 2024 08: 14
      Quote: avia12005
      Russian realpolitik means only reaction to external stimuli
      And sometimes there is no reaction at all wink
  13. +6
    30 November 2024 09: 09
    Once again "friend Erdogan" has stabbed us in the back. "This has never happened before and here it is again" - a classic, Chernomyrdin knew how to characterize our reality in one phrase.
    1. +3
      30 November 2024 09: 41
      Once again "friend Erdogan" has stabbed me in the back.
      No, he didn't stick a knife in my back again. Erdogan has been sticking a corkscrew in my back for a long time now and keeps doing it from time to time. And Russia is in ecstasy from these twists. smile "And he (Erdogan) is not my friend, just an acquaintance" (c) laughing
  14. 0
    30 November 2024 10: 56
    Syrian generals surrender Aleppo. A city with almost four million inhabitants, the largest in Syria. The Syrian army does not understand what is happening at all and therefore does not resist. But it runs, abandoning equipment, warehouses, fortifications and everything.
  15. -2
    30 November 2024 11: 05
    Iran will have to start transferring its proxies from Iraq - expensive, complicated, but there are practically no options here. It is only strange that this has not been done before, but nowadays there are many strange things in general.

    There is nothing strange about this. Masoud Pezeshkian is a pro-Westerner, a protégé of anti-clerical forces inside Iran. In general, his task is to drain the entire legacy of the Islamic Revolution, including positions in Syria and Lebanon, in exchange for entry into Western civilization in secondary roles. So the Great Chess Player-Multi-Mover has many surprises ahead from this "ally".
    For Russia, this is, of course, a serious diversion of forces to a direction that was supposedly considered potentially calm, but at least Lebanon should have already made it clear that this is exactly the direction things are heading. The loss (even if temporary) of positions in Syria will have a rather sensitive effect on the value of Russia's negotiating assets as a whole.

    There is nothing to be sad about here. The Syrian adventure did little to help prepare for military action in Ukraine, creating a myth about the omnipotence of a "small professional army" in any circumstances. Unfortunately, the icy shower of events in 2022 drove our Leadership into prostration and led to paralysis at a time when decisive actions could still have turned the tide and won an unconditional victory.
    The Middle East is undergoing a process of redrawing borders, while Turkey, as the successor to the Ottoman Empire, has reasonable claims to the territory of Syria (with the exclusion of the Golan Heights), and Israel - to Lebanon. We cannot influence the situation in the current reality, so it makes sense to engage in ambarkatiya, following the example of the United States in Afghanistan in 2021. The maximum possible is to retain the naval base in Tartus, but negotiations should be conducted not with Assad, but, obviously, with Erdahan.
    The next step will be the conflict between Turkey and Iran in Iraq. However, Pezeshkian, as a true follower of Gorbachev, will most likely simply dump this asset as well.
    1. -2
      30 November 2024 23: 10
      Victor Leningradets,
      So, the spiritual leader of Iran gave "all the reins of power" to Masoud Pezeshkian?
      Or has he changed his position on Israel?
      1. 0
        1 December 2024 01: 35
        And he is out of the game. The source of inspiration has dried up along with the ideals. Unfortunately for him, the clerical state has exhausted itself, and the people of Iran have spoken out for change. And the West, as always, has a figure, and even a bench, in reserve. Now the reformers will sort things out, as they once did with us.
  16. +5
    30 November 2024 11: 33
    So in the nth year, a certain "Minister of Defense" with a last name starting with the letter "sha" reported that we had defeated everyone there or that someone was deceiving someone? Yes And yet, there is still some healthy tissue left on his back from the “friendly” blows of his “friend” Energodan, huh? laughing And Mr. Assad will have to do everything himself, the Russian Federation does not have the strength to drive out our "saboteurs" from the Kursk region, and seriously interfering in Syria would also cause a "hernia to pop out."
  17. +3
    30 November 2024 12: 02
    We are waiting for a response.
    From the practice of the last decade - any agreement will be violated at an extremely inconvenient time for us. And even faster - if the "old agreements" on non-expansion of NATO, on missile defense, IRPT were torn up for decades, then the "new" Minsk, Istanbul, Astana are torn up almost immediately, or are simply not implemented by anyone except us.
    This feature should be taken into account by those who determine our foreign policy, and there is no point in always having a grenade in your pocket.
    By the way, this concerns relations with Israel in full - the Syrians' "batteries" are exploding again, for some reason at the moment of the Al-Qaeda-Turkish offensive, despite the fact that the Turks and Israel are not comrades at the moment, but someone was able to unite their efforts.
    Question: Was it not possible to mine the routes of advance from the Idlib cesspool to Aleppo, as an obvious direction?
    I have the impression that someone is throwing all pre-nuclear arguments on the table. Atacama strikes on Russia, escalation in Syria, a series of strange and bloody miracles are happening in Africa.
    But not everything is smooth for them either: Moldova is a clear failure, Georgia is a failure and a turn, let's say not 180, but 120 degrees, Zurabi Shvili will soon join the ranks of Tikhanovskaya and Guaido - shadow presidents in exile, igniting Central Asia is generally a tasty dream, but there ... the Taliban, and deep skepticism of the cunning Asian bais.
    There is a fierce battle going on for Kazakhstan, and the situation is not entirely clear, “multi-vector,” as they say.
    But it’s time to make up your mind - no one will leave you alone, you can’t sit between the streams.
  18. +3
    30 November 2024 12: 14
    And our oligarchic "Winnie the Pooh" hangs on a balloon and sings a song about a cloud. And below, the Jewish-Bandera "piglet" runs, but no longer with an umbrella, but with a gun. And the Islamist bees are not just evil, but vicious. They don't have families, apartments, cars and garages, houses in the countryside, or bank loans like we do. They only have "honey", which "Winnie" wants to steal again. But the Islamist bees have seen enough of what he did to the good and domestic bees in Russia, and therefore they don't believe the song of "Winnie the Pooh". And they sting him like real "wrong" forest bees! (Especially since the Turkish "Owl" is beating the tree of unfortunate and long-suffering Syria with all her might, saying that "all this" is free of charge, that is, for nothing. And the sad-sad Israeli "Eeyore" walks around, looks at this, now from one side, now from the other, and says that this is a heartbreaking spectacle and, at the same time, promises all the "actors" buns, money, roujzho and his "eternal friendship". Maybe someone will return his tail to him. He won't look for his tail himself! And anyway, it's not a royal business...
    Attention, question: "- What should the Russian "Winnie the Pooh" do next in this "cesspool"?("
    1. +1
      30 November 2024 16: 46
      what he did to the good and domestic bees in Russia,

      It seems like they didn't do anything out of the ordinary with them, you're exaggerating.
      1. +1
        30 November 2024 22: 02
        Nothing out of the ordinary. There were no concentration camps, no gas ovens. Yes, there were, as they said, in the 90s and 2000s, intelligent Moscow Jews, "elements" of the genocide of Russians and Russian-speakers in Chechnya, Azerbaijan, Tajikistan... Well, these are trifles. It's just that what the "clubfoot bear" used to manage and control during the USSR, in the 90s, having launched the processes of privatization and corporatization of former "Soviet" state property, he began to own as a private owner of the means of production, infrastructure, land, mineral resources, financial savings of the population. For what? Only for himself and his "cubs". And he robbed, plundered his own population and allowed "jackals" from all over the world to rob them. In 1992, when "all THIS" was launched and legalized, I was 24 years old, I already had a family and a small son. And I worked at a military plant of union significance and a union cooperative. And I saw with my own eyes how what the labor of many generations of Soviet people had invested in was bankrupted, and then privatized and sold, and then resold, creating the first capital... And so, they divided and divided, those "Winnie-the-Poohs" who were obliged to illuminate the historical path to communism for the working class, and divided it up to the SVO. That, in principle, is all the "condensation" (.

        P.S. ...WHO WAS LAYING ON MY BED AND CRUSHED IT?!...
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          1 December 2024 12: 28
          I agree with you in some ways. But we need to figure this out. In any society there are "sharks" and everywhere the strong try to devour the weak. In our society during the USSR this was not encouraged and was restrained in every possible way. Now take the 90s for comparison - there was no control, the country lived for 10 years according to the principle of "divide and rule". And during this time Russia transformed into "something". The people became impoverished beyond measure, and bandits came to power. Now compare this example with the modern world order, where sharks of global corporations rob entire states, overthrow governments and dictate their rules using the same methods.
          No censorship, moral principles, norms and laws - the strong devour the weak; some states live by plundering others - nothing new. What is the role of today's Russia in all this chaos!? What quality should our elites, our society have? What margin of safety should our state have in order to challenge its opponents!? Who are our allies and ideological brothers!?
        2. 0
          1 December 2024 12: 30
          Ps: if you want to change the world, start with yourself)
          1. 0
            1 December 2024 12: 51
            Questions, questions... In order to do something and start, as you write, with yourself), first, you need to understand what happened in your own home. That is, at least an elementary political economic analysis is necessary. So what happened? And there was a final division of the population in relation to privatized property, after which an absolute minority of "Winnie-the-Poohs" received the means of production, the infrastructure of provision and maintenance, land, mineral resources, financial savings of the Soviet population, and using the mechanisms and instruments of privatization and corporatization turned all this into private property, assets and capital. And the overwhelming majority received a "hole from a donut" and their "old wallpaper", a rusty car under the window and a house in the village, that is, property that is not a source of income for the ordinary population, but a source of expenses. Because, even if you rent out your apartment, and go to live in this house yourself, and drive a taxi in your car, then even "middle class" you will still never become. Because the structure of private property and the structure of the economy built on it, as on a foundation, are created for the formation and growth of large commercial financial-usurious and trade-speculative capitals. In which the "rich" become richer, and the "poor" become more numerous. What is the role of Russia in this, you ask? Our "Winnie-the-Poohs" formed a "peripheral" resource oligarchy, which was built into the subjects of the West, into their financial-economic system, as a raw materials appendage. A great resource "superpower". Honey, this is our everything (... What quality should the elites and society be? Well, imagine that Russia is a huge "squirrel cage" that we spin, and it just stands still and does not move anywhere along the road of History, but simply earns fortunes for Western bastards and our "nouveau riche". What is the safety margin? The margin is only until the moment when there are dollar supports on which it spins. Who are our allies and ideological brothers? What allies and brothers can a poor or frankly destitute population have, who does not have and does not own any market-valuable property? What are you even talking about?
            1. 0
              1 December 2024 13: 12
              I guess I'm talking about the times of the USSR, when all its citizens were apparently "middle class", owned several apartments and cars per family, lived in "luxury" and so on.) We're probably from different realities or parallel worlds. Or you're probably talking about how it could have been here in the 90s but didn't happen, while in the West it's an example of how we would like it to be. Why isn't everything the way it could have been here?
              There is a good Russian proverb on this subject, may the site administration forgive me - in someone else's hands, the dick is thicker. I mean that there is no need to compare how we have it and how they have it or to whine forever. Everyone achieves in life what they are capable of, the rest is blah blah blah. If you want a different quality - raise a qualitatively new generation, if you want success - set goals, if you want results - do at least something. The rest is from the evil one.
              Ps: this is not for you personally, this is for our VPR.
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                1 December 2024 13: 22
                From the evil one, it is elementary not to understand in what state, today, is the modern Russian and, more broadly, the Russian population. In order to, as you write, "at least something" to do, it is necessary to objectively evaluate your capabilities, resources, the presence of economic structures and administrative apparatus that are beneficial to you, legal relations of the forms of property and the state that you need that operate in your interests and, of course, as the main "actor" an educated and qualified population ready to FIGHT WITH ANYONE FOR THEIR PROPERTY, ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL INTERESTS. And, without all this, what you call me to and what you reproach me for is exactly blah-blah-blah. And, about the "device" that is thicker in someone else's hands, no need. Not kosher(.
                1. 0
                  1 December 2024 13: 33
                  .. what are you calling me to and what are you blaming me for, this..

                  I wrote that this is not for you personally, but for the Supreme Political Leadership. I agree with you in many ways, you just look at it from a more legal angle, and I from a practical point of view. But overall, we have the same picture of what is happening.
                  And regarding the objective assessment of one's strengths - you hit the nail on the head.
                  1. 0
                    1 December 2024 13: 36
                    If you lived in the provinces, like me, and not in the capital (in my opinion, the “province” begins immediately beyond the borders of the Moscow Region), then, both “legally” and “practically,” you would not ask such questions).
  19. 0
    30 November 2024 15: 12
    This is another hint to us: if you don't agree to a truce with Ukraine, you will lose Syria. Another of our sore points, which everyone has long forgotten, but now they have remembered: here too, we can put pressure on Russia!
  20. +2
    30 November 2024 15: 16
    It seems that generals and admirals are incapable of planning and organizing. And why would they need it? They know that they will not be personally responsible for shameful defeats. For the same Kherson or Kharkov... They will also receive awards and will continue to let us down by irresponsibly occupying responsible positions in Africa, Syria, the Black Sea Fleet... Only the disgraceful dismissal (as once happened to Pavlov, Timoshenko, Kulik) of others sobers up here
    1. -2
      30 November 2024 23: 20
      VovaVVS_
      Generals and admirals are busy stealing the budget. But of course, not all of them. There are many others who fight. Surovikin, Popov.
  21. +2
    30 November 2024 16: 25
    Nothing new. Syria with its problem once again proves that when getting involved in a conflict, you need to see it through to the end. It was obvious that sooner or later, Turkey would give revenge. What was done in the last 5-6 years, when all this Turkish or quasi-Turkish rabble was driven into the cesspool called "Idlib"? (call it what you will). Why was there no "concreting" of those successes and further development of the SAR Armed Forces!? However, this is a rhetorical question.
    In general, one wise conclusion suggests itself: if you take on a task, don’t say that you can’t handle it.
    As for Turkey, it's a punch in the gut in their style. Well-considered and timely.
    On our side, the "window of opportunity" seems to have "gone by the wayside". Either it was there or it wasn't!?
    This whole situation (with Syria, with Ukraine) only proves that you need to prepare for any fight. Today, you won't get far at the limit of your strength. And now, it looks like you'll have to sit down at the negotiating table and make unfavorable compromises. Intuition...
  22. +1
    30 November 2024 17: 39
    I probably won't say anything new, but Erdogan is a FRIEND and PARTNER! Despite all the nastiness on his part.
  23. +1
    30 November 2024 17: 58
    Michael, good afternoon!
    Thank you for continuing to post your opinions!

    "In fact, as has been written many times before, Russia will have to leave its inactive position on Syria..."
    The Russian Federation may simply not have enough people in all areas where it is necessary, needed, required, etc. Both those who implement and those who make decisions.

    Your understanding of what is happening changes. Not in how you evaluate it (you can't look into someone else's brain), but in how you present it to your readers.
    It is possible that I myself am changing too imperceptibly for myself, but seeing you as an author was a surprise.
  24. +1
    30 November 2024 18: 06
    Most likely, Syria will fall, that's all! Let's see what happens next!
  25. 0
    30 November 2024 18: 37
    In short.
    Everything is according to plan - the more problems, the longer Putin will be president.
    1. -1
      30 November 2024 23: 25
      ximkim_
      And would you like Yeltsin-2? Or someone like him? Although Khazin recently "almost rehabilitated" Yeltsin.
  26. -2
    30 November 2024 21: 28
    Apparently now we need to destroy "all" military and government structures 404. There is no other way out.
    Or did we support Syria only because of gas from Qatar. But now the EU "doesn't really need" gas?
    And Syria can be "postponed"? Although it would look like betrayal.
    1. 0
      30 November 2024 22: 08
      The thing is, if it flares up in northern Homs and in the south, then a coup d'etat is not excluded. Our strategists have it complicated here too. However, we should have been vigilant about this topic earlier. At least since the beginning of spring.
  27. +1
    30 November 2024 22: 17
    Apparently, the Syrian army was not prepared for an obvious attack, and the government was unable to attract the population to its side by creating attractive conditions for business development. Eternal history repeats itself. A military victory is not enough, it must be followed by an economic victory, otherwise everything is in vain and the winner will be fighting windmills. However, Syria is diverting not only Russia's resources, but also those of Ukraine. The more Ukrainians there are in Syria, the fewer there are in the Kursk region and Donbass.
  28. 0
    30 November 2024 22: 31
    And the saving gasket Wagner is completely destroyed. And it will not be possible to create another similar one. There is no one. A private company develops its reputation for years... before its employees begin to be proud of their company and value their workplace. The pseudo-company MO RF is a fiction that cannot be compared with Wagner. Wagner's management was at an unattainable height.
    1. -2
      30 November 2024 23: 35
      moneron,
      You're probably right about the "Wagner gasket". But to have "Father Makhno" with all the advantages...
      Although, considering Generals Shoigu and Gerasimov, it is difficult to say anything about the musicians. After all, these are, it turns out, judgments from their words. But how is it in reality? "You don't change horses in midstream."
      But Shoigu was replaced. Was he stealing?
  29. +1
    30 November 2024 22: 39
    everything was similar to our Wagners, they "left" and it began...

    Relying on the Wagners looks ridiculous

    If the regime is only held together by foreign PMCs, then what are his prospects?

    They bet on a "lame horse", political and economic degenerates, and then they are surprised that it turned out this way
  30. +1
    1 December 2024 00: 38
    - At the moment there is no complete and adequate information, time will tell about the prospects and what will happen in general. The hysteria on Russian Telegram channels looks very much like a coordinated media campaign.
    - The militants do not have stable logistical supply routes, and Türkiye has already officially distanced itself from any contact with them.
    - It is not clear what forces and reserves the terrorists have.
    - After the initial success, the terrorists will face the problem of securing the captured territories; how they will do this is a big question.
    - Almost all of Russia's resources are spread between the North-East and Africa, and Iran's proxies, especially Hezbollah, are going through hard times. The moment for an offensive from Idlib has been well chosen.
    - Iran is capable of creating trouble for Turkey in the Transcaucasus and using the Kurdish factor against them.

    What lesson can be learned from Syria? From our channel's point of view, it is this: the enemy must be finished off at any cost. Freezing the conflict is an opportunity for the enemy to come to his senses, regain his strength, and resume military operations.
    We are waiting to see how Russia and Iran respond
  31. +2
    1 December 2024 03: 15
    If migration is not restricted, Moscow will soon come under the control of the Wahhabis.
  32. +1
    1 December 2024 09: 59
    What's happening in Syria shows what truces with terrorist remnants lead to. It seems that truces with fascist remnants will have the same result. In the meantime, it would be nice to greet the monkeys who have painted themselves the colors of duct tape with a thermal bar.
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  34. 0
    1 December 2024 12: 31
    This is some kind of disgrace... They fought so hard to win back cities and lands for Assad, and they did it with the help of our Aerospace Forces, Wagner and Iranian proxies....and how does it all end? Just a fantastic leak. Judging by how the situation is developing, either there is betrayal on the part of the senior officers of the SAR (they were simply bought off) or Assad has simply "pestered" everyone so much that he has lost the support of the army and the population. And what should we do now? Get involved there a second time? Is there any point? And will we have enough strength in this case? We ourselves have a ton of problems, and such that we cannot just disappear on our own...
  35. 0
    1 December 2024 17: 12
    Is everything really as bad in Syria as many people say and write? - Is everything really that bleak? It is not for nothing that they say that everything was expected and that intelligence warned. However, more and more people write that the radicals were waiting for a ceasefire in Lebanon so as not to be accused of helping Israel. But it seems to me that there is another reason: the West and the United States have received a new front. Until recently, Israel was fighting in the Gaza Strip, which required massive supplies of weapons and ammunition from the West, then the fighting began in Lebanon. Now, having just crawled out of Lebanon, the West has gotten into the Syrian conflict and now ammunition and weapons will be sent there. As for Russia, it will be easier for us, strange as it may seem, because the West will have to be torn apart on several fronts, the Syrians and Iranians will be the ones fighting there first and foremost, they will grind down both the jihadists and the Western weapons. But the West will have a much harder time. And soon, the first euphoria of success will pass and harsh everyday life will set in (as in the Kursk region, where over 30 thousand Ukrainian Armed Forces fighters and many hundreds of units of Western equipment were destroyed). And so, the more the West is active, the greater its losses (both in manpower and equipment), and there is not much of it (equipment) left and the possibilities for its production are modest. So time is on our side, on Russia's.
  36. 0
    1 December 2024 18: 57
    The East is a complicated matter, but as is clear, Turkey is not our friend or ally, but rather a fellow traveler. They outplayed us with Armenia in the war with Azerbaijan, and now they are spoiling the blood in Syria. Where are our Syrian strategists? Or how did they overlook the Kursk region? Russia is not ready to fight on ten fronts, it is costly.
    1. 0
      Today, 18: 41
      Americans are fighting on ten fronts. And in Syria, first of all, it is the Syrians and Iranians who are fighting. And as for the costs: we have BRICS behind us, and the production potential of China alone is several times greater than the production capacity of the USA.
  37. 0
    2 December 2024 09: 24
    With which I "congratulate" all of us... Another political miscalculation???? Or, again, someone's insinuating voice, from behind the shoulder, in the ear, with very "sensible" and "wise" advice, like on the eve of the SVO... And another "ass" "appeared" for many years.... And where is the entire "host" of court analysts, diplomats and very specific workers, specific departments, who were supposed to monitor the "Syrian process" in its development?????? It seems that we were deceived again?????