A question for the particularly advanced: is there light at the end of the IT tunnel?

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A question for the particularly advanced: is there light at the end of the IT tunnel?


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The clinch that Russia entered into with the West turned out to be especially sensitive in high-tech areas, including the IT sphere. No one needs to be convinced that this sector of our country's economy, despite everything, continues to develop quite confidently.



It is necessary to convince that this sector is currently more Russian than imported, even taking into account the notorious "substitution". It is impossible to do without imports at all, but if the proposed text were at all targeted, it could generally be taken for advertising.

The authors did not plan to propagandize for “our people,” and especially for officials. But so far, they have mostly gotten it from us for doing nothing when “our people are being beaten.” But those articles – Atmosphere in the IT sector: “Not another word in Russian” – were more of a political and economic nature, but it’s time to talk about technology.

Moreover, against the backdrop of incessant cyber threats and sanctions pressure from the collective West, our programmers, like those unsung heroes, quite often achieve outstanding results in their work. The technological fruits of this work help not only the fighters on the front lines, but also the most ordinary users every day.

Even before the start of the SVO and broad, or rather deep Western sanctions, Russian IT specialists proved that the devil is not as scary as he is painted. Thus, programmers have already solved a number of problems that allow us today in practice not to notice imposed technological limitations.

The unconditional milestones on this path were: the creation of an independent national payment infrastructure – an alternative to the monopoly giant SWIFT, the active development of browser technologies after the removal of applications from stores, and the development of domestic office programs.

The whole "World" and SBP


Again, the MIR system is advertised by many, but not by us. The programmers were given the task of ensuring the financial and technological independence of the country. How it has been implemented, although clearly not completely, we are all checking in practice today.

Given the rapid pace at which digital finance is developing today, the creation of a national payment system was essentially a necessary preventive measure. No one could rule out not only the removal from SWIFT, but also the "accident" of suspension of foreign Visa and Mastercard in our country.


Which is what eventually happened in 2022. Russian IT specialists created the Mir system, and its development and improvement has been ongoing since 2015. Initially, it was focused on ensuring transactions within Russia, but now our system's cards are accepted in other countries, including the UAE, Vietnam, Cuba, Armenia, and Belarus.

According to Skolkovo, three years ago Mir overtook its foreign analogues in terms of population coverage in Russia, which once again emphasizes the convenience of the system and how necessary and significant its development was.

An equally important achievement of our programmers is the well-known Fast Payment System (FPS), created with the participation of the Bank of Russia. Today, almost half of the residents of our country regularly use contactless payment via QR code, if not more - we simply do not have the data yet.

Technologies allow the average user not to even notice the cessation of Apple Pay in our country, and the creators of the project have proven that we can no longer be intimidated by such removals and stoppages.

Consumers already know that now with the help of SBP they can pay for any product or service and make an instant transfer by phone number to themselves or to another person. SBP is actively integrated into Russian online cash registers, which emphasizes its crucial role for domestic business.

WEB – not only for banks


When transnational payment systems suspended their work on the domestic market, the collapse of the banking system, as we know, did not happen. Financial organizations continued to work and develop, including thanks to thousands of people who work every day to make our lives easier and more convenient with the help of IT technologies.

Judge for yourself: if you find yourself in the notorious Germany or Switzerland, countries that are supposedly proud of their financial systems, you can be horrified when you open any banking application. It’s good if they allow you to find out your account balance and perform a couple of simple transactions that can take from a few hours to a couple of days.

And if you suddenly need to do something more complicated than a basic translation, go to the office, which is open only on weekdays, six hours a day, with a lunch break. Meanwhile, domestic IT specialists have managed to make truly worthy services out of banking applications.

Judge and try it yourself - a Russian may not visit a bank branch at all in a year, the vast majority of actions from paying for housing and communal services to opening a deposit can be done literally without getting up from the couch. Such developments are not embarrassing to show to anyone with the words: "We can do it!"


However, with the sanctions flywheel spinning, restrictions from abroad are increasingly affecting the lives of ordinary Russians. Recently, the US Treasury Department blacklisted 50 Russian financial institutions at once. This means that their mobile applications immediately became unavailable for download from the App Store and Google Play.

In fact, there is not a single banking app left in the app stores. The situation is not very pleasant, but not fatal. No blocking or deletion is scary even for iPhone users, because our programmers have learned to work miracles in Web development.

So, for those who haven't yet learned, we'll explain briefly. If you log into the Internet bank in the browser of almost any Russian bank, it will be difficult to distinguish it from a mobile application. They have everything for convenient daily banking.

This approach — to take and transfer the entire functionality of a full-fledged program to a web page — is absolutely in the spirit of the famous Russian ingenuity. The development of web versions of banking applications does not allow Russia's rivals to influence the country through the infrastructure of Google and Apple.

Import substitution – without leaving your office


Another headache for all domestic companies – from defense industry enterprises to small businesses – was the termination of licenses for office programs from Microsoft. Even suppliers of the most important technologies for the country turned out to be extremely dependent on the usual Excel and Word, and the lack of an adequate replacement could actually paralyze many critical processes for a while.

However, a replacement was found - and very quickly. Before the Americans had time to finally leave our market, several developers immediately presented ready-made solutions that allow you to get off the needle of Bill Gates' brainchild. And Russian Words and Excels are much safer, the risk of leaking corporate or even state secrets in them is minimal.

And Western office products, as practice shows, are ready to simply steal user data and use it for their own purposes. Considering other people's information as their own has long become a habit for European and overseas developers, and there is no need to even ask whether the user wants to share such data.

It remains to be noted that we have not replaced the American monopolist with a similar domestic one. Competition is already clearly visible in this segment, and this is the key to healthy development. In fact story with office programs is indicative: we were able to replace them, which means we can replace anything in the IT sphere.

Even if tomorrow, purely hypothetically, we stop supporting iOS and Android, Russian developers will present an analogue. The conflict with the West has been going on for several years. The masks have been dropped, and it is clear that the enemy can use any instruments of pressure to achieve its goals.

But no matter what sanctions are introduced further, it is impossible to deprive Russia of technological sovereignty in the IT sphere, by all indications. Our IT specialists are ready to create and develop effective domestic technologies to replace Western ones.
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  1. +7
    2 December 2024 04: 50
    The women shouted "Hurray" and threw word-excell into the air wassat
    It's our good fortune that we always despised Western prices for their software and pirated to our heart's content. The skills came in handy. laughing
    And the fact that banks didn't shortchange themselves - well, that's what they have all our mortgage interest rates for. I don't know how effective it is there, but I am "tormented by vague doubts."
    And the most unpleasant thing is that the Runet will soon consist of government services and Yandex.
    1. +1
      2 December 2024 05: 55
      Where is the domestic OS? By the way, the same MIR system was created before February 2022. That is, even before that, when a lot of IT specialists rushed out of the country and are not going to return. Such articles convince everyone of the exact opposite, they live here, and not in the country of pink ponies, as these authors
      1. +5
        2 December 2024 06: 20
        OS, which are pompously called domestic, are usually just a modification of Western products, only with open source code. Of course, they should have started laying down straw as soon as the first sanctions loomed, that is, in 14.
        The article is certainly bravura, but import substitution in software is like import substitution in aircraft manufacturing, roughly speaking.
        1. +3
          2 December 2024 06: 29
          Russian President Vladimir Putin has instructed domestic state-owned companies to switch to Russian operating systems and office suites from the beginning of 2025. This was announced by the head of the Ministry of Digital Development, Communications and Mass Media Maksut Shadayev at an IT breakfast at the SPIEF.

          “The President signed an order on June 12, a holiday, that by January 1, 2025, all state-owned companies should have completely replaced operating systems, office suites, virtualization systems, and database management systems,” Shadayev said.

          There's still a whole month left to replace what hasn't been replaced yet, and then it's a free and wonderful life without Windows.
          1. +5
            2 December 2024 08: 50
            Quote: Commissar Kitten
            Russian President Vladimir Putin has instructed domestic state-owned companies to switch to Russian operating systems and office suites from the beginning of 2025. This was announced by the head of the Ministry of Digital Development, Communications and Mass Media Maksut Shadayev at an IT breakfast at the SPIEF.

            “The President signed an order on June 12, a holiday, that by January 1, 2025, all state-owned companies should have completely replaced operating systems, office suites, virtualization systems, and database management systems,” Shadayev said.

            There's still a whole month left to replace what hasn't been replaced yet, and then it's a free and wonderful life without Windows.

            Last week we installed Astra Linux. Rosreestr will definitely switch over before the New Year.
            It turns out that the cops switched to it 2 years ago.
            1. -1
              2 December 2024 09: 24
              Quote: your1970
              Last week we installed Astra Linux. Rosreestr will definitely switch over before the New Year.
              It turns out that the cops switched to it 2 years ago.

              yes yes yes.. but whoever has the ability to connect to a computer or does not check much, everyone is sitting on Windows from a portable disk or laptop, since it is impossible to work in Astra in comparison (glitches, the speed is an order of magnitude lower - even saving a document - a few minutes to wait, the computer loads up to 10 minutes, etc.), even in the Word analogue.. they switched to it.. the whole question is what laughing
              1. +2
                2 December 2024 09: 45
                Quote: 2 level advisor
                Quote: your1970
                Last week we installed Astra Linux. Rosreestr will definitely switch over before the New Year.
                It turns out that the cops switched to it 2 years ago.

                yes yes yes.. but whoever has the ability to connect to a computer or does not check much, everyone is sitting on Windows from a portable disk or laptop, since it is impossible to work in Astra in comparison (glitches, the speed is an order of magnitude lower - even saving a document - a few minutes to wait, the computer loads up to 10 minutes, etc.), even in the Word analogue.. they switched to it.. the whole question is what laughing

                I agree - there are a lot of problems, but...
                It's problematic to sit in Windows at Rosreestr - the system was deleted on work computers, you can't enter the Unified State Register of Real Estate from yours, or network resources either. Flash drives have been disabled for 10 years...
                It's stupid to print pure Word documents on your laptop - too inconvenient
                1. 0
                  2 December 2024 09: 55
                  Quote: your1970
                  It's problematic to sit in Windows at Rosreestr - the system was deleted on work computers, you can't enter the Unified State Register of Real Estate from yours, or network resources either. Flash drives have been disabled for 10 years...

                  Yes, I immediately thought about you that nothing can be done - strictly with native speakers at all... hi
                  1. +5
                    2 December 2024 10: 02
                    Quote: 2 level advisor
                    Quote: your1970
                    It's problematic to sit in Windows at Rosreestr - the system was deleted on work computers, you can't enter the Unified State Register of Real Estate from yours, or network resources either. Flash drives have been disabled for 10 years...

                    Yes, I immediately thought about you that nothing can be done - strictly with native speakers at all... hi

                    Remote control, the system disconnects unnecessary users itself, flash drives are locked, you can't hang up a puller - there is no access level...
                    An ordinary user can't even adjust the clock on his computer - everything was cut down so much a long time ago...
                    It really pissed me off for the first 5 years, then I got used to it. recourse
                    1. +1
                      2 December 2024 12: 40
                      It really pissed me off for the first 5 years, then I got used to it.
                      good You will still be quoted in a hundred years!
                2. +1
                  2 December 2024 13: 41
                  Flash drives have been disabled for 10 years
                  Did I understand correctly that external media are disabled in this OS?
                  1. +2
                    2 December 2024 13: 56
                    Quote: Dutchman Michel
                    Flash drives have been disabled for 10 years
                    Did I understand correctly that external media are disabled in this OS?

                    I'm afraid to lie to you - because I don't know.
                    Only the fact of the pointlessness of plugging in a flash drive, either into Windows or now - due to their remote disconnection. Computer specialists can enable access.
            2. -1
              2 December 2024 11: 54
              installed Astra Linux

              No Linux can compete with Windows as a desktop system at the moment. They have too many birthmarks of their ancestors from the 60s... When everything important is done from the command line - well, what is there to talk about? I won't even mention drivers and other such trifles. Billy is great because he managed to create an entire ecosystem that can do almost everything. Yes, it can do something worse than its competitors, but it can do it! And its competitors can't do even half of what can be done under Windows. And what they can do - requires an epic dance with tambourines for pairing and configuration.

              It's easy to explain - how many people make Windows? And how many make any of the Linuxes? Here's your answer.

              In general - if an organization with the capabilities and budget of Microsoft takes on this - then it is probably possible to turn Linux into something digestible for the average user.. Although with difficulty. But no one is doing this...
              1. +3
                2 December 2024 12: 11
                Quote: paul3390
                At the moment, no Linux can compete with Windows as a desktop system in principle.

                For me, the "damned bureaucrat and official" there is all - necessary for work.
                It opens slowly - I agree, you can’t tell for a few seconds whether it started or not - it’s annoying, but I haven’t seen anything critical yet.
                For 3/4 of the civil service, this is more than enough
                Drivers? For a 10 year old computer to which a 15 year old printer/scanner was connected? They couldn't be found even in Windows from the official...

                Quote: paul3390
                It is probably possible to turn Linux into something digestible for the average user.. Although with difficulty. But no one does it...
                the conversation was about government agencies.
                Naturally, users will suffer, but they are not being forced to use Linux...
                1. +3
                  2 December 2024 12: 21
                  You see, you are not taking several things into account. You probably need a fairly limited set of software for your business, prescribed from above. Surely, all the hardware in your office is purchased based on the availability of a specific Linux. Your IT department is probably large enough to be able to solve problems related to Linux operation. And so on and so forth.

                  All this - in small commercial offices simply does not work. They physically cannot afford it. With all the ensuing consequences.
                  1. +2
                    2 December 2024 12: 33
                    Quote: paul3390
                    All this is in small commercial offices It just doesn't work. They physically can't afford it. With all the consequences that entails.

                    Someone hits them over the head with a stick - switch to Linux???!!
                    Or are you suggesting that the government spend a couple (maybe tens) billion dollars to develop an OS for small commercial structures?
                    1. +7
                      2 December 2024 12: 42
                      And you - don't suggest?? So everyone should sit on stolen Windows with unclear prospects? And in case of some dirty trick from Microsoft - proudly remain sitting in their favorite offices as an island of working computers in the middle of a country that collapsed 70 years ago?

                      Well, the world doesn't depend on you alone - a lot of things will stop working. You won't even be able to buy cigarettes, except at the kiosk in the lobby of your home office. And many of your contractors won't even be able to send you email.

                      This is why I don't like you, officials - your horizons are extremely limited. You are doing well - that's good.

                      If the state does not spend, as you say, tens of billions on normal domestic software for small companies, the country will continue to live under the sword of Damocles all the time... I'm not even mentioning the fact that, in fact, you can make a lot of money on this...
                      1. +2
                        2 December 2024 12: 57
                        Quote: paul3390
                        .. I won't even mention that, in fact, you can make a lot of money on this...

                        And remind me - why does no one want to make money on this?
                        Is it because we're used to it?
                        Quote: paul3390
                        sit on stolen Windows with unclear prospects?
                        ??

                        Quote: paul3390
                        If the state does not spend, as you say, tens of billions on normal domestic software for small companies

                        And they themselves don’t want to spend money?
                        Or milk the main state? The fact that they won't buy software is guaranteed...

                        Quote: paul3390
                        Billy is great because he managed to create an entire ecosystem that can do almost everything.
                        he is great only because FORCED the whole world works on Windows.
                        What Windows 98 could do, all later ones could do. Except that the driver diskette was no longer needed. lol lol

                        Z.y
                        6 IT specialists for the entire region in the Administration, now I don’t know exactly how many - about 350-400 machines
                      2. +2
                        2 December 2024 13: 49
                        Are you kidding me?? Can you even imagine how much it costs to develop something like this? And you are seriously suggesting that we do this on our own? And at such a rate??

                        Now I definitely believe that you are an official... wink
                      3. -1
                        2 December 2024 14: 09
                        Quote: paul3390
                        Are you kidding me?? Can you even imagine how much it costs to develop something like this? And you are seriously suggesting that we do this on our own? And at such a rate??

                        Now I definitely believe that you are an official... wink
                        - and I have never hidden the fact that I am a civil servant, I have written about it many times.

                        I understand it too - you are a small businessman who is in favor of socialism belay
                        Some suddenly belay - but it happens....
                        And again it is clear why for socialism - "The state should give us for free, for nothing, that is, for nothing!!"
                        I understand perfectly well that when there is no CAD or software of your own, it is bad, it is very bad.
                        But this is how it has historically developed and now the state will not find extra money for software for you, small businessmen.
                      4. +4
                        2 December 2024 14: 18
                        Well, of course - if it's socialism, then it's a freebie... So, in your liberal point of view, toiling away at my native factory in two shifts, I was a complete freeloader? And the Soviet state - like, gave everything to everyone for free?? And where did it get all this free stuff from - can you tell me? And it's exclusively your brothers who work these days? Well, well...

                        Now I understand more clearly why the country is in such an epic mess... With these bureaucrats...
                      5. -1
                        2 December 2024 14: 38
                        Quote: paul3390
                        So, from your liberal point of view, toiling away at my native factory in two shifts, I was a complete freeloader?

                        Quote: paul3390
                        And is it only your brothers who are working these days? Well, well...

                        No, of course - small commercial firms work on
                        Quote: paul3390
                        stolen Windows
                        with a black, maximum gray cash register. Traders
                        Who else but them... workers and peasants don't count.....
                        They don't pay taxes, they cheat workers, they steal everything that can be stolen, the state always owes them


                        Quote: paul3390
                        Now I understand more clearly why the country is in such an epic mess... With these bureaucrats...
                        - and with these traders also.
                        Who do not understand that in the event of a revolution they will hang THEM a little higher than us officials.


                        I've seen all sorts of crap - but nothing like this commerce me in liberalism blamed belay belay belay
                      6. +1
                        2 December 2024 13: 48
                        Habit is a very slow thing.
                        I would suggest, if I were the one in charge of import substitution of software, to revive Windows XP,
                        Add new drivers to it, tweak the shell, identify enemy bookmarks. And use it to your heart's content.
                      7. +5
                        2 December 2024 13: 51
                        And it is possible to make something decent out of Lunux - if only the state wanted it... Or one of the whales... You just have to invest a lot, and hold them very strict about the result. Up to the highest measure...
                      8. +3
                        2 December 2024 14: 12
                        All the officials and office people are used to Windows. Those who are able to train Linux on their own are a small minority.
                        Besides, high-class programmers are people in demand in many places, if you start making tough demands on them, they will crawl away. And it's good if they go to their own offices, but they can also disappear abroad.
                        it is possible to do something decent - if only the state wanted to... Or one of the big guys... You just need to invest a lot

                        You are right, of course. Otherwise, the authorities approach the sphere of software development as in the famous joke: "-What do you do for a living? -Programmer. -Oh, fix my coffee maker!"
                      9. +3
                        2 December 2024 14: 20
                        Quote: Sunwenmin
                        All officials and office workers are accustomed to Windows.

                        All government agencies will switch to Linux by 01.01,2025, cops switched, as it turns out, 2 years ago
                      10. +2
                        2 December 2024 14: 22
                        They are suffering, poor things. laughing That's probably why they are as evil as the postman Pechkin. laughing
                      11. +3
                        2 December 2024 14: 24
                        I remember sitting in a server room of a large company about 20 years ago... My eyes were wide open - a crooked Microsoft update had landed on the servers. Of course - everyone was panicking. And then some mug, who didn't even know me personally, climbs in and says - come here, it's urgent. I jump out in a rush and say - what happened again? And he says to me - do you see three light bulbs burned out in the hallway? We need to change them immediately!

                        To say that I was shocked is to say nothing... Then I came to my senses and said - yes, it was easy! 20 bucks at that time for each replacement. That's about how much my time is worth.

                        Murlo crawled away to think... And I - to raise six servers...
                      12. +4
                        2 December 2024 14: 28
                        laughing laughing laughing
                        For this damn system of software updates with or without reason alone, I would gladly torture someone to a complete software update in their brain. But these are the times...
                      13. +2
                        2 December 2024 14: 31
                        Because you should never install updates automatically.. Only manually.. Wait until people evaluate it, and then... Otherwise - it can easily leak into the sewer... belay

                        And my office gets paid for everything working, not for the fact that we fix things quickly... wink
                      14. +3
                        2 December 2024 14: 33
                        Ideally, I would like to buy software like hardware - buy it - it works and "don't change anything". But where is that...
                      15. +3
                        2 December 2024 16: 31
                        The whole problem is in legal terms. If you buy an iron, you buy a product for which the manufacturer bears certain financial responsibility. When you buy software, you buy so-called intellectual property. With all the consequences. For any mistakes in it, the manufacturer is not responsible in any way. Hence the consequences...
                    2. +1
                      3 December 2024 23: 39
                      Quote: your1970
                      Someone hits them over the head with a stick - switch to Linux???!!
                      Or are you suggesting that the government spend a couple (maybe tens) billion dollars to develop an OS for small commercial structures?


                      Not dozens, but at least HUNDREDS of billions. But the worst thing is when something public, created by millions of people from hundreds of countries, is passed off as their own - solid. From beginning to end. What's surprising then that you are being driven out of open source with a dirty broom?!
              2. +4
                2 December 2024 13: 46
                Quote: paul3390
                No Linux can currently compete with Windows as a desktop system.
                Linux is a great system and I gave it up only because my favorite Photoshop and some other small software I need are not written for it. I know that it has problems with games, but I am not interested in them at all
                1. +1
                  4 February 2025 02: 43
                  I've been running Linux for 25 years. Fast, simple, reliable. I have everything. Gimp is no worse than Photoshop. I have 25,000 photos. Every single one of them is processed. And reports, web pages and everything. Libreoffice is indistinguishable from MS Office. And there are about 3000 more programs and commands on my laptop. And embed programming. Start in 40 seconds, wake up in 15 seconds. Reboot once every 20 days, not more often. The servers in the office are also under Linux. Something like that.

                  Owl toys are not interesting either
                  1. +2
                    4 February 2025 05: 23
                    Quote: stankow
                    Everything is there. Gimp is no worse than Photoshop
                    I don't really like Gimp. Photoshop has more tools and more opportunities for creativity.
                    Quote: stankow
                    Owl toys are not interesting either
                    Me too wink
                    1. +2
                      5 February 2025 00: 37
                      Yes, if you are a graphic designer. To stay in the mainstream with your colleagues. But if you are just an "advanced user" - GIMP is the best.
                      1. +1
                        5 February 2025 05: 21
                        Quote: stankow
                        Yes, if you are a graphic designer
                        I am not a graphic designer. I like to wander around with a camera, and then polish the result. wink
                      2. +1
                        5 February 2025 17: 38
                        And I do the same. Gimp is quite enough. And at work, and for the site to whip up an image, infographics. No more is needed. It depends on your habits.
        2. 0
          2 December 2024 08: 56
          Of course, it was necessary to start laying down straw as soon as the first sanctions loomed, that is, in 14.

          Even earlier. Remember the well-fed 65s. When the treasury was bursting with money, and relations were not so tense. It was quite possible to buy factories for the production of processors, at that time 45-XNUMX nm, plus the accompanying infrastructure. And ideally, of course, not to destroy your factories, invest, make something somewhere of your own, spy on something somewhere.
          1. +3
            2 December 2024 13: 08
            Some things were actually bought, for example a used 130nm line from the "reds". Read the story of how it was "implemented" here with us.
            1. +1
              2 December 2024 16: 21
              I remember Reiman bragging to the president, if my memory serves me right. Then somehow Reiman disappeared, the equipment stopped, "unexpectedly".
          2. 0
            4 December 2024 07: 27
            Quote: T-100
            Of course, it was necessary to start laying down straw as soon as the first sanctions loomed, that is, in 14.

            Even earlier. Remember the well-fed 65s. When the treasury was bursting with money, and relations were not so tense. It was quite possible to buy factories for the production of processors, at that time 45-XNUMX nm, plus the accompanying infrastructure. And ideally, of course, not to destroy your factories, invest, make something somewhere of your own, spy on something somewhere.


            Wait... So in 2008: "Angstrom buys AMD plant on credit Zelenograd "Angstrom-T" received a loan from Vnesheconombank for 100 million euros on the security of 815% of shares. The company intends to use this money to buy AMD equipment and technology for the production of chips with a topological size of 0,13 microns" ))) True, there was a mess here, in which Reiman, the then minister, and VTB and a bunch of other patriotic people took part ) As a result, all this bakhatstvo went to the Netherlands, to a warehouse, where it lay around for about 5 years. Then this whole long-suffering factory, along with the garbage, was brought, already without fanfare ))) but again something went wrong and Angstrom successfully went bankrupt !!!! ))) But nevertheless, the AMD factory was bought, yes ))) With all the infrastructure, as you write. But apparently I didn't manage to spy on everything, oh! steal it to the end ) And the people are not the same anymore, apparently they didn't work for pennies ) You should read about this epic, it's an entertaining read, I assure you )))
        3. +2
          2 December 2024 19: 02
          OSes that are pompously called domestic are usually just modifications of Western products, only with open source code

          You won't believe it, but almost all software in the world is a modification of what was written in the 60-80s of the last century. The funniest thing is that this applies to software developed in the USSR or now in China.
      2. +1
        4 December 2024 06: 35
        Why do you need a "domestic" OS without domestic hardware for it?
    2. +1
      4 December 2024 11: 56
      This is just the tip of the iceberg. But when they finally tie us up and deprive us of access to the hardware, then the real stagnation will come. I still have a Felix-M adding machine gathering dust somewhere. But without mobile phones, computers, scanners, printers, copiers, flash drives and other machinery, it will be bad. Does anyone have all of this made in Russia (I'm not talking about the assembly, but the complete set)? Of course, TV orators will tell you that we have everything "without anals in the world", but I don't think so. For thirty years we sat on the operating system, gobbled up money and rolled to complete insignificance in the production of consumer electronics.
      1. 0
        4 December 2024 12: 02
        I completely agree. Even now, electronic components are being brought in via parallel import at exorbitant prices. So, we can assemble something at a hundredfold price, but you can't call it our own.
        By the way, what's interesting is that Western sanctioned components are more accessible on our market than friendly Chinese ones. More expensive, but more accessible.
      2. 0
        4 February 2025 02: 48
        Does the West produce consumer electronics? It's all China.
  2. +2
    2 December 2024 05: 17
    Our IT specialists in the office are knowledgeable people...I have seen this for myself.
    They keep everything and everyone under control and, if they want, they can make life fun for anyone who uses various programs...it's just not advertised very much.
    Those who think that by using VPN and other gadgets that they are not vulnerable to surveillance are deeply mistaken. smile
    The main thing here is not to get into trouble and not to get into trouble...otherwise everything is fine.
    We need to support our IT specialists, our software products, even if they are raw... after all, our own is our own.
    1. +3
      2 December 2024 16: 26
      Those who think that by using VPN and other gadgets that they are not vulnerable to surveillance are deeply mistaken

      You are wrong to think so. wink Believe me - with some skills, opening your data and channels will cost such efforts that it will be easier to apply thermorectal cryptanalysis to you than to break. belay
      1. +1
        2 December 2024 19: 05
        Believe me - with some skills, opening your data and channels will cost such efforts that it will be easier to apply thermorectal cryptanalysis to you than to break it.

        The word Office was written with a small letter, so it is unclear which office we are talking about.
        In my office, whether you have skills or not, you will not hide anything from me.
        Well, a soldering iron is not my method, I'm a programmer and not an electronics engineer. belay
        1. +1
          2 December 2024 21: 00
          If I had an admin password, I would still argue... winked
  3. +8
    2 December 2024 05: 25
    Heroes of IT? What are you talking about? All examples are exclusively the banking sector and the financial sector, which even in difficult times manages to report fabulous profits. Domestic software is something else, IT specialists, do not be offended, but I will tell you how it is. Terrible programs, they constantly hang, and they are inconvenient, and they have not heard of optimization at all, it seems. Yes, there are successful examples when it is possible to establish communication with the IT department and directly eliminate some errors, but this is rather an exception. I just do not understand how the simplest programs that should fly even on Windows 95, manage to slow down terribly on a new computer with 16 gigs of RAM, a colleague has only 4, and everything freezes at once for him, I enter everything into the program for him. Often simple things in programs are written very complexly, yesterday I talked with my brother, a doctor, they have a program there either "arena" or "ariana" by the time you enter everything, by the time everything loads, the patient will have time to die, from old age. And all the friends who have already been dragged to our software are, to put it mildly, in shock, and often everything goes wrong for them. Here you don't need to praise and throw money at them, but beat them with a stick, and not release until they make more or less stable software, I will simply keep quiet about optimization, at least let it not crash. I think teachers, doctors, and employees who work with such software can say a lot here.
    1. 0
      2 December 2024 05: 45
      There are different types of IT specialists...there are untalented ones, and there are those who can crack any program like a walnut.
      I have used different programs...yes, our programs often have some shortcomings...but among them there are some very good and fully functional options.
      Well, Windows also suffers from problems, especially with hardware updates.
      For example, Vista...I cursed her tricks...I had to gut everything unnecessary in her.
      The same thing in 10, loaded it with updates...it started to float...I had to remove the unnecessary stuff again...and this is constantly happening.
      1. +7
        2 December 2024 05: 50
        Of course you are right, there are both good and bad. I am critical because at work I usually come across the latter, and it really hinders me at work, because it takes up a lot of time that I could spend on work, and while I have everything hanging, I can leisurely read the news from a colleague's computer and comment here. But in the end I will have to stay after work, when there are fewer people, and the work is faster.
        1. +2
          2 December 2024 19: 10
          But in the end you'll have to stay after work, when there are fewer people and the work is faster.

          And you should address this not to the software creators, but to the owners of your company.
          They are saving on you. laughing
          If you were even a little bit in the know, you would know that no one sets tasks for developers to save resources. Well, of course, this includes the software that YOU use. Well, they don't spend THEIR BRAIN to save YOUR RESOURCES.
          The trick is well-known, almost any programmer can reduce the size of the used memory by 10 times or increase the speed by 4 times, spending 2 times more of his time. The question is why?
          1. +1
            3 December 2024 04: 47
            I cannot address my problems to the state, because it is my employer, and the programs are not only for my office, but for our entire vast homeland. I will answer in your vein, you know, if I work only as I am given tasks, and do not do it normally and professionally, then I am sure that in a couple of weeks you will feel that something has changed in your life, in a negative way. There is such a good phrase: Do it normally - it will be normal. If you do everything haphazardly, then problems will come out of all the cracks, yes, of course, you can give up, send it to people and let someone else deal with it, it will no longer be my headache, and go home on time. With such logic, no one should bother at all, the same teacher can then tell the children to read the textbook and sit on the phone all day, and not go and explain the topic to the children, and this can be done in any profession, perform tasks, and that's it... Agree, when you come to the hospital, you want to receive qualified help from a specialist, and not a bandage, iodine, and a textbook on first aid.
            1. 0
              5 December 2024 13: 51
              It won't work. It's immediately obvious that you've never set tasks for software developers.
              With this logic, no one needs to bother at all,

              Even before the first line of code, when creating any replicated software product, system requirements are written down. It is within these that the programmer must adhere.
              That is, in fact, a lower bar of quality is set, if you like, and pretending to be Lefty is almost always harmful.

              This is the situation in all areas where they have moved from craft to industrial production. Software development in the world has passed this stage. Medicine, for the most part, too. There is no training yet.
          2. 0
            4 February 2025 02: 59
            Even worse. To save 20% of time or add an extra function, the programmer is forced to use external libraries and the memory swells many times. To show the first screen, the Jawa program loads the first 200 megabytes. Just for the beginning. And there's nothing you can do about it belay
    2. +3
      2 December 2024 11: 44
      And here everything is very simple. Since I am related to some similar things - I can share..

      How does it all happen? A decision is made at the top to develop some software. A meeting is held. The boss asks - who will do it? And then, for example, the chief accountant jumps up. Oh - you know, my nephew recently graduated from the institute in this area, he is such a wonderful boy, he knows everything, he can do everything. He will do it easily. Especially - for such money.

      The biggest one breathes a sigh of relief, the problem is solved. The talent is called upon and showered down like a golden rain. And the fact that it is actually completely clueless - this no longer bothers anyone. And so the talent goes to gather friends and acquaintances, the same as it... And the seething development of the allocated budget begins. Several times the deadlines are missed, the talent is yelled at, it feverishly shuffles the team, but sooner or later - something is born into the light of day.. Which at least does not fly right after launch.. And so - we all try to use it... Alas.
      1. +1
        2 December 2024 19: 12
        Since I have some connection to such things, I can share...

        Well, that's for suckers, you can't get a job like that in a serious company, and the chief accountant won't even be invited to such a meeting.
        1. +1
          2 December 2024 21: 02
          Well, no need - the offices were quite serious, with a very hefty turnover.. I would say - mini-oligarchs.. The chief accountant - I just gave him as an example, there - the security officer came out with this topic.. With the same result..
          1. 0
            5 December 2024 13: 52
            The chief accountant - I just gave him as an example, there - the security officer spoke on this topic...

            A security question to determine the seriousness of the company.
            What department did the security officer head? Was it the SB?
  4. -2
    2 December 2024 05: 39
    Mobile applications instantly became unavailable for download from the App Store and Google Play
    I have updated the SberBank Online application more than once through our domestic RuStore application and have not noticed any inconveniences
    are extremely dependent on the usual Excel and Word, and there is no adequate replacement
    The Linux operating system has an analogue of Word and Excel. And the analogue is very good. And there is even a version for Windows
    1. +5
      2 December 2024 07: 50
      I was picking around in these "analogues", if the document was originally created on a soft program, then it is easier to write a new one than to make friends with analogues. And on video, it is better to have Word.
      1. +3
        2 December 2024 15: 44
        Quote from AdAstra
        I was digging around in these "analogues", if the document was originally created on a soft program, then it is easier to write a new one than to make friends with analogues.

        Yeah... the indescribable feeling of editing a Word document in OpenOffice with an Excel table (20 price items) in it. smile
    2. +1
      4 February 2025 03: 04
      Dutchman Michel I confirm. LibreOffice is a great, mature, reliable application. I've been using it for 25 years.
  5. BAI
    +4
    2 December 2024 06: 23
    If you log into the Internet bank in the browser of almost any Russian bank, it will be difficult to distinguish it from the mobile application. They have everything for convenient daily banking.

    This approach - to take and transfer the entire functionality of a full-fledged program to a web page - is absolutely in the spirit of the famous Russian ingenuity.

    The authors mixed up the sequence. First came web banks, then applications.
    At least at Sberbank and Gazprombank
    1. +1
      2 December 2024 19: 18
      At least at Sberbank and Gazprombank

      And Raiffeisen.
  6. +4
    2 December 2024 07: 44
    Yes, yes, but if you get under the body, there is Chinese-Korean internationalism under a Russian nameplate. And the software is also not particularly visible, the Astra, which is pushed for everyone, often runs on 2008 firewood. laughing
  7. +5
    2 December 2024 08: 13
    It seems to me that the successes of domestic IT specialists are somewhat exaggerated.
    1. -1
      4 February 2025 03: 07
      And who else, in what other country did this?
  8. +5
    2 December 2024 08: 49
    Is there light at the end of the IT tunnel?
    There are a lot of tunnels, but the light at the end is somehow not visible... Apparently, the end of the world is in the tunnels... laughing
    1. +3
      2 December 2024 09: 15
      Yeah, the tunnel is looped.Yes
      1. +4
        2 December 2024 09: 22
        One looped tunnel and many lines, somewhere the "bulbs" are dimly lit, somewhere they are not lit, somewhere they were unscrewed a long time ago... wink
    2. +6
      2 December 2024 11: 46
      This light is actually the headlight of an oncoming locomotive...
      1. +5
        2 December 2024 11: 47
        No, the diesel locomotives in our tunnel don't go... the rails are not visible... The horse goes in a circle, pulling the cart behind it.
  9. 0
    2 December 2024 08: 59
    Quote: P. Nenarokov, N. Mikhailov
    Is there light at the end of the IT tunnel?

    Yes! It's blue and three magic keys won't help here. laughing
  10. +13
    2 December 2024 10: 09
    Here we are sitting and writing.
    And where is all this stored physically?
    Request for location topwar.ru
    Oddly enough, it's the USA.
    Picture below.
    By the way, there are other Russian sites in the picture - avito, ok, kinopoisk, mail, gismeteo... - for some reason they have Russia.
    It looks a bit strange, everyone has Russia, but the most patriotic Russian website is in the USA, don’t you think?
    Or is there some kind of mistake?
    1. +4
      2 December 2024 11: 01
      Well, soon the admin will be banned. To discredit the patriots so harshly, tsk-tsk-tsk. good
    2. +3
      2 December 2024 16: 23
      That's exactly why - I try to store all my data and client data on my servers with three backups in different places.. If tomorrow, for example, they disconnect from Google Drive or Dropbox - what will everyone do? They will disconnect easily!
      1. +3
        2 December 2024 17: 07
        And they'll turn it off easily!


        And let's add to what has been said the wry smile of digitalization:

        "The first ever robot drug courier has been detained in Russia
        He moved around the streets of the Moscow region with containers on his back.
        Residents complained about him, and during an inspection, traffic police officers found a powdery substance and the logo of one of the illegal darknet sites in the containers.
        When attempting to detain him, the robot turned off its signal lights, activated its self-defense mode, and destroyed all data about the operator.
        Will he be sent to prison or not? (C)
        wassat )))
        1. 0
          4 December 2024 07: 38
          Quote: depressant
          Will he be sent to prison or not?

          They will cut off his power and he will die....
          Z. S
          Can you imagine the scale of trade?
          Costs of the robot + loss of drugs + possible seizure of goods with a sledgehammer belay = too much money
      2. +1
        2 December 2024 19: 03
        I don't know, I asked them. They promised not to turn it off. laughing
    3. +2
      2 December 2024 18: 58
      the most patriotic russian site

      The most patriotic one? laughing
    4. +2
      4 December 2024 15: 15
      [quote] . Oddly enough, it's the USA. /quote]

      And strangely enough, he is not banned there ))) Although, if you read it, then through the post of curses towards the USA )
  11. 0
    2 December 2024 12: 12
    Judge for yourself: if you find yourself in the notorious Germany or Switzerland, countries that are supposedly proud of their financial systems, you can be horrified when you open any banking application. It’s good if they allow you to find out your account balance and perform a couple of simple transactions that can take from a few hours to a couple of days.


    In the notorious Czech Republic everything is plus or minus as in Russia in this regard, speaking about IT independence, it is worth first looking at how many Russian technologies are involved to provide the platform here on topwar.
    And it is not an unimportant fact that in the world of IT specialists (all programmers, engineers, QA, analysts, designers, etc., and all are important) there are more than the entire working population in Russia, in these conditions it is simply physically impossible to compete and one will have to use the labor of the Western industry one way or another, starting with “small” try to assemble a data center built entirely on Russian technologies.
  12. +3
    2 December 2024 12: 24
    However, a replacement was found - and very quickly. Before the Americans had time to finally leave our market, several developers immediately presented ready-made solutions that allow us to get off the needle of Bill Gates' brainchild.

    Right now!!! I have to work with Open Office. Hmm... some functionality is not there at all, and in general it is made according to the principle "eat what is given to you". The pirated Power Point somehow looks better and is more convenient to work with.
  13. +2
    2 December 2024 13: 35
    Dear authors, tell me, are Nikolai Mikhailov and Mikhail Nikolaevsky, by any chance, the same "person")?
  14. +4
    2 December 2024 14: 33
    Here it would be good to work with the databases in the Russian Federation. In the spring of 2021, they began to introduce a fee for solid municipal waste in the village. The money is collected by the Energosbyt+ company. The data on who is registered there was transferred either from the village council or according to their own data (at that time, 2 people were registered, but 1 lived there). In December, 1 person who lived there was discharged because an apartment was bought in a house at a different address. Since January 2022, the consumption of electricity and gas in that house has been zero (I even made an application to turn off the gas, which has not yet been turned off, for electricity - they require that the house be transferred to non-residential for disconnection), but the garbage fee is still being paid. But at the address of the purchased apartment and 1 person registered there, the garbage fee does not come. Although electricity and gas are consumed there, but there is no garbage ... Next, we take OSAGO - there is no single calculation - everyone has a driving experience that began before 2000, it is impossible to calculate. There are a couple of insurance companies where the experience goes back to 1998, but from different months. But how many forms have changed until we got to a simple black and white printout of the OSAGO contract. The tax office did something naughty this year - even in the personal account of the tax office and State Services there is no accrued tax - go with your small payments yourself to the tax office and find out there how much you should pay. Geniuses...
    1. 0
      4 December 2024 07: 44
      Quote: Victor Alien
      Next we take OSAGO - there is no single calculation - everyone's driving experience that began before 2000 cannot be calculated.

      Rights since 1996 - experience in OSAGO is taken into account
      Quote: Victor Alien
      The tax office has done something naughty this year - even in the personal account of the tax office and State Services there is no accrued tax - go with your small payments yourself to the tax office and find out there how much you have to pay
      - This is not the first year, this crap has been going on for 4 years.
      Open public services, open the FTS personal account - "log in through public services" - notifications right away and you can pay here.
      It is possible to connect them so that they come to State Services, but a simple digital signature needs to be issued there.
      1. +1
        4 December 2024 18: 45
        About electronic OSAGO with purchase via the Internet Sberbank online or others - not everywhere you can enter the date of the beginning of the experience before 2000. Personal account in the tax office is also more than 3 years old - earlier taxes appeared there and then on State Services - this year there were none. And not only me. One relative went to find out and there they said that small amounts of tax for individuals (property and land) will not be sent this year. Why - the tax authorities themselves do not know. The tax office from Nizhny Novgorod is engaged in mailing to all regions of the Volga region.
        1. -2
          4 December 2024 22: 22
          Quote: Victor Alien
          The tax office from Nizhny Novgorod is in charge of sending out letters to all regions of the Volga region.

          Kazan has always been there. Apparently they changed it.
          Quote: Victor Alien
          small amounts of tax for individuals (property and land) will not be sent this year

          Strange, maybe they sold it? In any case, the property tax is clearly more than the conditional 300 rubles

          Quote: Victor Alien
          Personal account in the tax office is also more than 3 years old - taxes used to appear there and then on Gosuslugi - this year it was not there. And I am not the only one.

          This is bad, maybe you've been lost. We need to figure it out.
          1. 0
            5 December 2024 11: 02
            What sold... bought an apartment 3 years ago. For 2 years the tax came in a personal message, but for the third year it didn't. And I'm not the only one. There was a joke - in 2003 I bought a motorcycle and registered it on July 1, the day the compulsory motor insurance was introduced (and no 10 days after buying a motorcycle - get insurance right away, then we'll register it). The following year a payment notice comes by regular mail - I paid for six months. The following year the tax doesn't come and I don't pay. In 2005 I sold the motorcycle and deregistered it for scrap, the new owner didn't need the documents. In 2006 the tax comes - I have to pay extra for 2005, so the rate became higher minus the amount paid for six months of 2003... And I deregistered it around the middle of 2005, and the tax was calculated for the whole year. So it turned out that they took the tax essentially for only 1 year. A Muravey scooter has been registered in my mother's name since 1997 - I've never received a tax... there's another funny thing - the STS is entered in the PTS, but I've never held it in my hands or seen it. I only found out about the STS in 2000 when the traffic police stopped me and I showed them the PTS. They pointed out that I was showing them the wrong document. And about the tax - I'm not the only one who hasn't received a notice. Last year, my apartment tax was 169 rubles, land tax was less than 31 rubles, and silence. A three-room apartment in a two-apartment house in a village is estimated to be worth 366.000 rubles. Land of 10 acres is about 33.000 rubles in 2022. It was bought in a pair for 430.000 in 2021. There is electricity, gas, water.
            1. 0
              5 December 2024 11: 51
              Quote: Victor Alien
              Land 10 acres approximately 33.000 rubles in 2022.

              The cadastral value is higher - the tax is calculated from it, not from the purchase price/assessment. Go to the Public cadastral map of Rosreestr, enter your cadastral number - there will be the latest cadastral value.
              You will deduct 0,1℅ from it - this is your land tax.
              For 10 acres 31 rubles tax - this is something really wild backwoods and the nearest village is 100 kilometers away.
              In my Saratov Zavolzhye for 5,6 hundred square meters - 370 rubles.

              The tax on a house is higher than on land.
              1. 0
                5 December 2024 16: 51
                Prokhorenko's homeland, if anything. Villages around - one at 5 km, 2 at 10 km, 20 km to the district center. To Orenburg 135 km. To Kumertau 65 km. Tax seems to be for half a year of 2021. Now there is 1 bus to Orenburg once a day. And one bus goes to the district center 4 times a week on one route and 2 times a week on another. I indicated the cadastral price and how much I bought it for too. In the district center, a two-room apartment from 700 to 1000 thousand rubles. I came across a house built in 2014, about 300 square meters and 10 acres also for 60 million. A more modest neighboring one of the same year for about 30. And so it is difficult to find something less than maternity capital. Houses in the area are mainly from 1-3 million. Coal, however, became of no use to anyone after the closure of the open-pit mine in Kumertau and the briquettes there. But earlier, briquetted coal from a mixture of Tyulgan and Kumertau coal was exported.
                1. -2
                  5 December 2024 22: 22
                  I still don't understand why the cadastral value of land is so low for you. You've intrigued me...
                  The regions are neighboring, but the range of cadastral values ​​is 10 times greater here - and everywhere, including small villages
                  1. 0
                    6 December 2024 19: 57
                    But I don't understand something else. Over the past 25 years, the district's population has decreased by a quarter - from 25000 to 18000 people. And the number of retail outlets has grown from 10 to about 40 in the district center alone. Where does the profit come from?! In Orenburg, the population has been around 50 people over the past 600.000 years. The amount of housing built is three times greater than it was 3 years ago (one-story houses have become empty and some five-story houses have been torn down). Who buys all this there?! It's not clear at all about the stores - what kind of markup is there to pay taxes?! The population of the region as a whole is also decreasing by almost a quarter. Where does the money come from?! There are 50 gas stations in Orenburg... We are getting poorer and poorer... A little about the markup - I found one brand of lemonade in Orenburg, 5 liters, for 145 rubles. Tyulgan is the same chain of stores and the same lemonade - 1,5 rubles. Krasnousolskaya mineral water in Kumertau is 19,90 rubles per 29,90 liter - in the region the same mineral water is from 26,8 to 1,5 rubles... The pricing logic is approximately the same as women's logic - they just want it that way. And diesel fuel is around 43 rubles here. The most expensive fuel is at Lukoil's network gas stations. The difference with gas stations on the contrary can be 58 rubles.
                    1. -2
                      7 December 2024 10: 08
                      Quote: Victor Alien
                      The region's population as a whole is also decreasing by almost a quarter. Where does the money come from?! There are 145 petrol stations in the city of Orenburg...

                      In our area in 2011 there were 9000 registered passenger cars, in 2023 there were 19000. In 2023, I passed the technical inspection while waiting for the end with the owner - he reports to the traffic police, they give him the figures for the area.
                      Considering that there is a population of 32000 in the area, this is a minimum of 2 cars per family, even if the cars are scrapped and parked.
                      And with traders everything is simple - in Valberis the prices from the manufacturer are lower by 30 to 200℅
                      This is the minimum markup of local traders.
                      1. 0
                        7 December 2024 15: 19
                        Ozone and Valberis are something. Need a Hall sensor for a gas boiler. It is not available in gas service stores. Where they sell spare parts for the required boiler - there this microcircuit comes assembled with a fan (turbine) that I do not need for 5-8 thousand. This sensor popped up on Ozone, supposedly costs 1300, became 900 rubles in one place. In another, supposedly cost 900, became 700. And only somewhere in the 5th place in the list of sales locations there was a store in Voronezh ... the price of the sensor is 216 rubles, now after six months it is 252 rubles. And where is 200% here?! Then there are warehouse locations from the same Ozone closer and the price is not lower than 700 rubles. On Avito, a person from the dismantling of gas boilers seems to have it and the price is immediately 1200 rubles - but it is only 65 km to go to it (plus 10 liters of gasoline to the price of the sensor)
          2. 0
            5 December 2024 11: 07
            I'll add - the main tax office was transferred from Moscow to Tula last year. It should have been in Yakutia... When private inspection points were created, some people created 3 inspection points - 2 in regional centers and one in Orenburg. And they registered a legal address for this in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky... go and sort it out, tax inspector... the address was indicated in the contract for passing the inspection.
  15. +3
    2 December 2024 18: 56
    To be honest, I didn’t understand what the article was about.
    Well, if you consider that I have been in the industry for 40 years and am far from the last person in it, then I think I have the right to ask.
    Peter, Nikolai, why did you write this, what did you want to convey to the readers?
    1. +1
      2 December 2024 19: 06
      Excuse me, but do you by any chance write books? hi
      1. +2
        2 December 2024 19: 13
        Excuse me, but do you by any chance write books?

        No, only scientific articles and a couple of textbooks in co-authorship. hi
        1. +1
          2 December 2024 20: 05
          Ahh, I see, thank you. hi "" "
  16. +1
    2 December 2024 21: 07
    "The unconditional milestones on this path were: the creation of an independent national payment infrastructure - an alternative to the monopoly giant SWIFT, the active development of browser technologies after the removal of applications from stores and the development of domestic office programs."

    We have to thank the hated Central Bank of the Russian Federation for MIR, SBP and SPFS.

    Praising our architects, developers, administrators, designers, testers and security specialists is possible and necessary. But don't exaggerate. Otherwise, it will turn out that we don't need doctors and military personnel. Children will learn to read and write on their own, potatoes will grow on their own, and cutlets come from somewhere.
    AND...
    There is such a site. Habr.ru. There, the day before yesterday, an article about weapons appeared. Why she is there - I don’t know. But I don’t know why I’m talking about IT here either.
    1. 0
      4 December 2024 07: 54
      Quote from Fangaro
      But why is IT mentioned here - I also don’t know.

      Everything is heading towards the fact that fight There will be IT specialists - UAVs with AI are already on the way.
      It is already much cheaper to kill an enemy with a drone than to throw tons of iron and explosives at him.
  17. +1
    2 December 2024 21: 14
    Quote: Oleg Plenkin
    Dear authors, tell me, are Nikolai Mikhailov and Mikhail Nikolaevsky, by any chance, the same "person")?



    Nikolaevsky's handwriting is different. It has changed over the year, but hardly that much.
    I am subjective, because a year or two ago I forced myself to reread his articles in the "Analytics" section.
    Personal opinion.
  18. +3
    2 December 2024 21: 28
    I read it.
    What operating system do the authors use regularly? And what text editor did you use for the article draft?
    Popularization of one's own, not foreign, is good. But when it's smart, and not "we've got everyone beat".
  19. +1
    3 December 2024 10: 45
    From the point of view of an ancient programmer - software substitution begins with the development of our own frameworks (libraries for a specific area), for example, in the field of machine learning (neural networks, etc.), there is not a single Russian framework as a class. Moreover, the starting point is now, there is no need to repeat what has been covered, it is necessary to do in the future, for example, there is no need to make a framework for convolutional deep learning networks, but for graph neural networks, why not...
  20. +2
    3 December 2024 15: 31
    I liked the article because it describes the entire situation in the IT sector through the prism of software. But IT is not only software, it is also the notorious hard (processors, boards, hard drives or SSDs, etc.) and THIS is where we have a problem. Even if all the software is domestic (although in 80% of cases, it is simply open source Western software or OS that ours have modified for the tasks), then it will all work on some Intel. The video channel will be processed by a video card from some AMD, etc. and we are not even talking only about office computers (which in essence are almost the same as home clips), but also about aircraft control computers, computers for automated CNC machine tools, computers for controlling large industrial installations, etc.
    In Zelenograd, we used to manufacture microprocessors. But the production lived in waves. Either they unexpectedly found money and some development went on, or they imposed sanctions and now you can’t order crystal growing installations. Or they found the necessary equipment through gray schemes, and then this sphere in the country was hit by budget cuts. And it’s always like that. All hard drive production was supported exclusively at the level of “supporting the existing weapons systems in the country where this is used.” Only the majority of such systems are from the 80s or, God willing, the 90s. And the fact that they are in the army is still normal (and even then, in the last 5-6 years, the situation in the world is growing of the army’s transition to new technological support and consumption, which the previous generation of military systems will not be able to provide). But for the civil sector (for creating our own aircraft), hard drives have not been relevant for about 30 years. That is why among the "not quite domestic" components of our aircraft, almost 100% of the time, there are computers and some electronics. We can make a fuselage, we can make engines (with great difficulty), we can train pilots (there are fewer, but still some). But we can no longer assemble an on-board computer for a civil airliner. We need foreign components. Although I will repeat the phrase from the beginning - we have people who can create software for the hardware, but the hardware is not ours.
    1. +2
      4 December 2024 09: 15
      Here in Zelenograd

      Greetings to you, Zelenograd Brother, from a graduate of MIET last year!
      good drinks love hi )))
  21. +2
    3 December 2024 18: 44
    Well, speaking of birds, the level of digitalization, availability of digital services and population coverage in our country is probably the best in the world. And I'm not talking about the presence of a million YouTube clones and other gum, but about truly necessary and convenient services for life. In the same States, Japan, Germany, please run on foot at a certain time and also stand in line waiting for a clerk, but here in many ways online, even from the top of the tree.
  22. +1
    3 December 2024 21: 26
    Today is a solemn day - the foundation stone of the Novocherkassk Higher Military School of Communications was officially laid.
    Non-existent for 13 years.
    I hope that this will be a forge of both communications specialists and our combat IT specialists, who are not subject to relocations except within the framework of the Ministry of Defense as part of the active army.
    1. +1
      4 December 2024 09: 09
      as part of the active army..

      Aha! Remember - there were articles here on VO about how somewhere, it seems, in the Tuapse region - or near Anapa? - a powerful unit of military IT specialists was created, photographs and all that... well, it doesn't look like it survived - judging by the situation, the results.
      1. +1
        4 December 2024 11: 02
        First of all, you and I know nothing about such projects as "scientific companies" or "IT departments". If they are really useful, then their activities are classified, if not, then they were quietly blown away.
        A military school is something different, not a PR project, but an almost uncontested form of training officers, with a severe shortage of whom we have encountered (unexpectedly!) Especially in communications and artillery. And communications specialists are trained for all types of the Armed Forces - ground forces, navy, Aerospace Forces, air defense (I hope they will separate them back into a separate type - life forces us to carry out all the previously committed stupidities). And these officers will determine the face and content of the future army.
        And the place is right - the capital of the Don Cossacks is a sacred place with traditions, the military path has been held in high esteem and respect there for centuries.
        1. +1
          4 December 2024 11: 35
          And these officers will determine the face and content of the future army.

          I agree, dear Andrey!
          Cossacks are strength. Not long ago I heard Lermontov's "I go out alone on the road" performed by a rural Cossack choir in a special local manner - indescribable!
          They are not us, they are different, they have roots.
          Have a nice day! hi
  23. +1
    3 December 2024 23: 19
    I laughed at the "Russian" Excels and Words ))) Well, I had to...take and appropriate something public, open source for "their own" solid stuff ) With a straight face! And the narrow-minded will believe it... Shame.
  24. +1
    4 December 2024 15: 25
    make an instant transfer by phone number to yourself

    I tried it once - Sberbank immediately blocked my own Mir card - suspicious transaction.
    I had to order a new one.
  25. +2
    4 December 2024 19: 41
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    make an instant transfer by phone number to yourself

    I tried it once - Sberbank immediately blocked my own Mir card - suspicious transaction.
    I had to order a new one.


    If you sent a transfer from your card **** to the same card ****, then, in my personal opinion, this is a suspicious operation. If to your card in the same bank, but another one, the card number is different, then I agree that the bank is "not smart".
    And why did you do this? Such a translation. To check for any errors?
  26. 0
    5 December 2024 22: 45
    Everything is written correctly in the article. Both about banking systems and about the SBP. But nothing is written about highly specialized software. I will give an example of the auto industry, where I work and am engaged, among other things, in import substitution, or rather, in attempts to select domestic analogues for imported software. Of course, there is something, but there is one BUT. How to transfer years of developments in imported software to the data formats of domestic software? There are no converters, and converting manually is years of work.

    There is another problem. The developers have raised the prices so much that the license for domestic software often costs more than its Western counterpart. Despite the fact that the Western counterpart is ahead of the domestic one in functionality by five years or more, not to mention the stability of its operation.

    In general, in terms of industrial software, things are not as rosy as described in the article. I think we have about five years to catch up, old licenses, which are perpetual, are valid, it is quite possible to work. But this is not the case everywhere...