IRBM "Oreshnik" with a conventional warhead: it happened

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IRBM "Oreshnik" with a conventional warhead: it happened


Yes, it happened!


Well, gentlemen "haters", how are we now with the impossibility and inexpediency of creating ballistic missiles? missiles strategic class with a conventional warhead (W)?



With the impossibility of ensuring the required accuracy of the approach of warheads?

With the inevitable start of the “Third World War” in its nuclear version in the event of the use of such weapons?


As soon as reports appeared that an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) with a non-nuclear warhead had been used against Ukraine, it was clear that it was most likely an MRBM, that is, a medium-range ballistic missile, but this does not matter at all, since the difference between an ICBM and an MRBM is very conditional and, from a legal point of view, can be only a couple of kilometers.

The maximum range of a missile of 5499 kilometers is an IRBM, and the maximum range of 5501 kilometers is an ICBM, and the difference between them can be determined by the mass of the payload being thrown. The same American Trident II can technically work as both an ICBM and an IRBM, depending on how it is “loaded” and along what trajectory it is sent to the target, although, again, from a legal point of view, classification as an ICBM or an IRBM is determined by the maximum range.


Launch of UGM-133A Trident II (D5)

The Long Road to Dnieper


It is unlikely that we will ever know who first asked the question: "Is it possible to use ICBMs in conventional combat equipment?" This topic is covered by too deep a veil of secrecy, especially earlier in the USSR, and now in Russia.

The author first became acquainted with this direction of weapons development after information about the American concept of a prompt global strike (PGS) appeared in the open press in April 2010, although work on it had presumably been underway since 2005.

At that time, the Americans were planning to use conventionally armed ICBMs, hypersonic missiles and orbital strike systems in order to be able to destroy all sorts of “Bin Ladens” anywhere on the planet within a few dozen minutes.


Visualization of the BSU concept

Of course, all this is a fairy tale - such missiles were needed by the US as a means of delivering a sudden disarming strike to eliminate the remnants of Russian strategic potential, since it was assumed that by the time the BGU elements were accepted into service, our strategic nuclear forces (SNF) would be precisely the “remnants”, which was quite realistic, given what happened in the 90s - early 2000s.

However, in reality, ICBMs and hypersonic missiles with conventional warheads are not capable of providing an acceptable probability of hitting enemy ICBMs located in highly protected silo launchers (SLLs), and mobile ground-based missile systems (PGRK) on routes and at base, as well as strategic missile submarines (SSBNs) stationed at naval bases, are better hit using special (nuclear) warheads, so the BGU topic somehow gradually faded away.

However, what is not so important for the US, for others may be critical. The US has a huge network of military bases around the world, a colossal military budget, armadas of ships, including nuclear aircraft carriers, and aircraft, and most importantly, experience in hacking air defenses (Defense) and defeating states from the air, that is, conducting complex, comprehensive air and space operations - this is their "thing", they focus on this when developing their armed forces. But all this is very, very expensive.

Those who oppose the United States but do not have comparable military power rely on missiles – North Korea, Iran, and partly China with its anti-ship ballistic missiles and missiles with hypersonic glide vehicles.


Chinese anti-ship ballistic missile DF-21D (CSS-5 Mod-4)

Russia can also globally counter the US only with the help of missiles, and in a nuclear version, at least that was the case before.

In August 2019, the author published a series of articles on the pages of Military Review on the need to develop Strategic Conventional Weapons (SKO) и creation of Strategic Conventional Forces (SCF).

Among other things, they mentioned the advisability of creating ICBMs and SLBMs (submarine-launched ballistic missiles) in a version with conventional warheads, and also formulated the ideology of the SKO and SKS - inflicting damage on the enemy, significantly reducing his organizational, industrial and military capabilities, from a distance that minimizes or eliminates the likelihood of a direct combat clash with the enemy's armed forces.

It was possible to return to this topic only three years later, after the start of the special military operation (SVO) in Ukraine, in August 2022 in the material “Fast global strike in Russian performance", which discussed the advisability of creating MRBMs with conventional equipment based on obsolete ICBMs and SLBMs.


If it weren't for the low clouds, something similar could have been observed in Ukraine by witnesses of the arrival of the Oreshnik

Well, finally, in December 2023 and January 2024, two more materials on this topic were published, respectively, “Swept away by fire: ICBMs with shrapnel warheads to hit targets deep inside Ukraine" and "Organizational and technical issues of using ICBMs with a conventional warhead».

In the comments to the materials mentioned, many expressed doubts about the advisability and possibility of creating ICBM-MRBMs with non-nuclear warheads, about the possibility of ensuring the necessary accuracy of the warheads’ fall, about the risks of starting a nuclear war, and so on and so forth.

As we can see now, all these problems have been solved, the Oreshnik MRBM with a conventional warhead has been created and used against the enemy - this is a fact, and a fact, as they say, is the most stubborn thing in the world. However, there will be those who will deny this, but God bless them, the wretched ones.


MRBM "Oreshnik"


So, what do we know about the Oreshnik MRBM with a conventional warhead?

Presumably, according to unconfirmed data from foreign sources, the developments of the RS-26 Rubezh ICBM-IRBM were used in the creation of the Oreshnik MRBM, which has caused particularly hyperactive individuals in Ukraine and some Western countries to become terribly excited, as if we should not use the groundwork we have, but rather reinvent the “wheel” every time, while all the developments of Western countries are absolutely new and are often not based on products that are half a century old.

According to Russian President Vladimir Putin, the approach speed of the warheads is about 10 Machs, which is about 3 kilometers per second; foreign sources indicate the “landing” speed as 11 Machs, or 3,3 kilometers per second – this is a huge flight speed, which is confirmed by video recordings in which the fall of the warheads in the atmosphere resembles shots from a “blaster” in science fiction filters.


Creepy? Attractive? Creepy attractive – it’s simply impossible to take your eyes off it!

Moreover, it is possible that the speed of the warheads’ fall is even somewhat underestimated, since for nuclear warheads of ICBMs it can reach 7 kilometers per second; however, the speed of the warheads’ fall could have been reduced to ensure their controllability and increase the accuracy of hitting targets.

What could be the range of the Oreshnik IRBM?

At the very least, it is not less than the one it was used against the target at the Ukraine test site. It can be assumed that the flight range of the Oreshnik MRBM is in the range of 0,5-5 thousand kilometers, while the missile's combat load can vary, for example, the number and/or type of warheads can decrease or increase.

In the video recordings of the "arrivals", one can clearly see the successive landing of six warheads, and in the final section, it is clearly visible that each warhead divides into six more submunitions. It can be assumed that the warheads have individual guidance and at a certain specified altitude above the target they open up in order to increase the probability of hitting the target with the already unguided submunitions.


"Arrows of God"

At the moment, it is unknown whether the submunitions contain explosives, or whether the damage occurs purely kinetically, due to the energy released when an inert blank (tungsten?) hits a target.

There is also no reliable information about the warhead weight, Ukrainian sources say 1,2 tons, but the RS-26 Rubezh could have such a warhead weight if it were equipped with nuclear warheads for throwing to the maximum range. A conventional warhead requires a larger weight, which can be achieved at the expense of range, so it can be assumed that the Oreshnik MRBM has a warhead weight of about 3 tons.

Much will become clear after/if photographs of Yuzhmash, whose production facilities were hit by the Oreshnik MRBM, appear.

To confirm that the strike did not pass without a trace, we can cite footage from a video published on the TRT channel in Russian, where several powerful explosions are visible some time after the fall of the Oreshnik warheads.


Powerful explosions, presumably something serious "banged" at the Yuzhmash plant

Organizational matters


Judging by the embassies, the closure of which on 21.11.2024 was announced by the Americans and Spaniards a day before the "event", the use of ICBM-IRBM with a conventional warhead was not a surprise for them - they got wind of something. According to open US data, we warned only half an hour before the strike.

Many see this as almost “betrayal”, like, how is it possible – to warn the enemy that they will strike at him, why, so that he can prepare?

In the situation with the use of IRBMs with a conventional warhead, this is not so critical. Yes, the deputies from the Ukrainian Rada will definitely run away like cockroaches, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) will remove the planes from the air bases, but they will not be able to relocate the factories. It is unlikely that ours told them the exact target of the strike - that would definitely be idiotic.

If you don't know the exact time and location of the strike, then you can't keep the personnel in the bomb shelters all the time, which means that the personnel will have only a few minutes after the alarm is given until the US discovers the exact time of the IRBM launch, until they pass the information on to the Ukrainian authorities, then they must pass it on to all potential targets, and then there's time to give the alarm. No, in this case, advance warning won't work, according to various sources, the Oreshnik IRBM takes only 7-15 minutes to reach its target.

And if the warning works, if the personnel are sent home for the whole day, then what is the use of such a plant? After all, theoretically, we can send a warning every day, but we are not obliged to guarantee the strike, and let the enemy sit in bomb shelters all day.

Conclusions


All of the above is only a small part of what can be said about the Oreshnik. In the future, we will examine this system in more detail and its prospects from a military and political point of view, as well as possible directions for its further development.

In Ukraine, they are “putting on courage,” trying to cheer up the population with various fairy tales about how “Oreshnik” is supposedly a rusty old thing that simply fell apart in the air, while in the meantime, the “expired” President Zelensky has already requested THAAD anti-missile systems from the US.


THAAD missile defense system, Zelensky's new "wish" – without it you can't win

Well, as they say, "we'll see"...

In the meantime, we would like to congratulate the developers of the Oreshnik MRBM and wish them further successful and fruitful work on creating a new generation of strategic weapons!
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  1. +13
    26 November 2024 05: 32
    The Americans and the Spanish reported a day before the “event” that the use of an ICBM-IRBM with a conventional warhead was not a surprise to them – they had sniffed out something.

    This is no less interesting than Oreshnik... someone from Putin's circle is leaking state secrets to our enemies. what
    1. +5
      26 November 2024 06: 26
      Putin himself said: “We warned you.” Whether this is right or not, I don’t know. In my opinion, there is no need to warn. Residents should know a priori: if you are near factories or facilities, you may suddenly say goodbye to your life.
      1. +2
        26 November 2024 07: 41
        It is necessary to warn "Western partners" about the launches of Oreshnik and similar missiles, but without specifying the place of use - let them be afraid and guess where it will fly next time. The anticipation of death is always worse than death itself!
        1. +4
          26 November 2024 09: 09
          Quote: vasyliy1
          It is necessary to warn "Western partners" about the launches of Oreshnik and similar missiles, but without specifying the place of use - let them be afraid and guess where it will fly next time. The anticipation of death is always worse than death itself!

          To warn and make fun of the enemy. To show how powerless the enemy is, it turns out
        2. +3
          26 November 2024 09: 26
          Quote: vasyliy1
          It is necessary to warn “Western partners” about the launches of Oreshnik and similar missiles, but without specifying the place of use.

          A missile launch warning is a regulated message that contains certain mandatory parameters. Obviously, these were the ones that were communicated, otherwise the Pentagon would have focused on it as a treaty violation.
          1. -1
            26 November 2024 10: 25
            A missile launch warning is a regulated message that contains certain mandatory parameters. Obviously, these were the ones that were communicated, otherwise the Pentagon would have focused on it as a treaty violation.

            So the RSD treaty is like... that. It's not an ICBM. Then we need to warn about Kalibr launches...
            1. +6
              26 November 2024 10: 40
              Quote: VIK1711
              So the RSD treaty is like... that. It's not an ICBM. Then we need to warn about Kalibr launches...

              There is a document called "MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING ON NOTIFICATION OF MISSILE LAUNCHES", which describes the system of notifications of launches. As part of its implementation, the US was possibly notified about Oreshnik. The document refers to ballistic missiles with a range of more than 500 km or with a trajectory altitude of more than 500 km... https://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/international_safety/1740581/
              pay attention to the applications
        3. +2
          29 November 2024 17: 20
          And do Western partners care where it lands in Ukraine and how many Ukrainians die? Or is it a concern that Western partners have time to evacuate their instructors and other specialists?
        4. 0
          3 December 2024 12: 44
          Warn more often. Until the nervous system is completely worn out.
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    2. +2
      26 November 2024 06: 49
      There was a warning to the opposing side about the launch of "Oreshnik". This was done in order not to cause a stir in the warning systems. For now, when a ballistic missile is launched, everyone must notify the opposing side.
    3. +5
      26 November 2024 10: 33
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      The Americans and the Spanish reported a day before the “event” that the use of an ICBM-IRBM with a conventional warhead was not a surprise to them – they had sniffed out something.

      This is no less interesting than Oreshnik... someone from Putin's circle is leaking state secrets to our enemies. what

      Most likely, the "leak" was made via a direct communication channel between Russia and the US, which exists for such warnings. Because the launch of an ICBM outside the usual testing ground could cause a nuclear response from the US, that is, a nuclear war.
      1. +6
        26 November 2024 12: 12
        Quote: Mikhail3
        Because the launch of an ICBM outside the usual testing ground could have caused a nuclear response from the United States, that is, a nuclear war.

        Moreover, it is even possible that there will be an unintentional war. Because the less time there is to make a decision, the greater the chance of error. Haste breeds errors: the launch was detected too late, the scale of the launch was incorrectly assessed (optics or electronics glitched and saw several flares instead of one), an error in determining the parameters of the target's flight... it is necessary to double-check - but there is not enough time, the clock is ticking, people are nervous, they are growling from above, demanding precise data - and so, based on incomplete data, an assessment is born "Group launch of ICBMs confirmed".
    4. -1
      29 November 2024 13: 13
      There are only "effective" managers around, who have children, wives, mistresses, matchmakers, godparents, who live abroad. I think they share any trials with them at the level of a family chat in WhatsApp)
    5. +1
      2 December 2024 05: 27
      Do I need to list them all by name? Or do you just know?
  2. +31
    26 November 2024 06: 30
    It looks like the topic of Oreshnik will not leave the pages of VO until January 20, 2025. Against the backdrop of rising prices...
    1. -10
      26 November 2024 09: 12
      Quote: parusnik
      It looks like the topic of Oreshnik will not leave the pages of VO until January 20, 2025. Against the backdrop of rising prices...

      To be fair, it should be noted that prices have always risen, are rising and will continue to rise...
      1. -4
        26 November 2024 21: 12
        Quote: BecmepH
        To be fair, it should be noted that prices have always risen, are rising and will continue to rise...

        However, our Central Bank is trying its best not to let wages follow prices. "To fight inflation." Now that's a disaster...
        1. +2
          27 November 2024 06: 44
          Quote: Mikhail3
          Quote: BecmepH
          To be fair, it should be noted that prices have always risen, are rising and will continue to rise...

          However, our Central Bank is trying its best not to let wages follow prices. "To fight inflation." Now that's a disaster...

          Yes it is!
          I wonder, why are they giving me a "minus"?)) Our prices aren't rising, are they?))
          1. +2
            27 November 2024 09: 27
            They don't downvote "for what", but "why". Since Elvira Sakhipzadovna is not in our cell but in great favor, she does everything right. What is right, THEY don't say. Inflation, by the way, is galloping again because of her "correct" actions. And we are phallomorphing...
            1. +1
              27 November 2024 09: 36
              Quote: Mikhail3
              Since Elvira Sakhipzadovna is not in our cell but is in great favor, she is doing everything right.

              That is, her followers "downvote" her?))
              It's a pity if that's the case. There are fewer normal people on the site than these...))
              1. +3
                27 November 2024 09: 46
                They are on the payroll, what kind of "adepts" are they?
      2. +1
        29 November 2024 17: 22
        Well, yes, "always" only at very different speeds
      3. 0
        2 December 2024 05: 29
        Capitalism, my dear! They always want to eat.
  3. +18
    26 November 2024 07: 16
    Well, as they say, "we'll see"...


    What is there to see... yesterday photos and videos of a new ATACMS strike on the Kursk region appeared in telegram channels, apparently the West was not very “impressed” since it continued the strikes, and since there was a second time, a continuation will certainly follow...
    1. +7
      26 November 2024 08: 01
      ...the West was very "impressed"

      The West, in fact, doesn’t give a damn; if our missiles were flying in their direction, then yes, they would be sad, but as it is...
      1. 0
        26 November 2024 09: 55
        I agree, for some reason the author did not publish footage of the attack's outcome.
        1. 0
          26 November 2024 10: 03
          Well, you can say whatever you want, but you can provide photographs, unless you don't spare money on the development of computer technologies.
    2. +4
      26 November 2024 20: 53
      Why should the West worry? We won’t hit them, they know that, but even with a nuclear strike on Ukraine, they’ll only be happy.
  4. +10
    26 November 2024 07: 55
    Well, as they say, "we'll see."
    Of course we will watch, and... feel. But for now
    On the night of November 26, air defense systems destroyed and intercepted 39 Ukrainian drones over 7 regions of Russia.
    It was previously reported that on November 25, air defense systems shot down an aircraft on Russian territory. eight ballistic missiles, six US-made JDAM guided air bombs and 45 unmanned aerial vehicles.
    Wars do not end, as a result of missile strikes on the ruins of the plant, which was previously pounded with Kinzhals, Iskanders, Kalibrs and Geraniums, I probably listed everything. A return to the past, no matter how the Germans fired V-1-2s at London, the war ended only when Soviet soldier hung the victory banner over the Reichstag in Berlin.
    1. -2
      27 November 2024 08: 48
      Do you think that in 1945 the Americans themselves would not have finished off the Reich? Well, maybe six months later. It's just that the first cities to be hit by nuclear weapons would have been Berlin and Breslau.
      1. 0
        27 November 2024 15: 39
        The Americans themselves wouldn't have been able to put the squeeze on the Reich

        so they say that they won themselves, and the USSR just helped
        1. -1
          27 November 2024 16: 56
          Well, that's propaganda. That's understandable. But frankly speaking. After the autumn of 1944. Everything was already clear there. What with us. What without us. The US + British would have finished off the Reich. There was already such an advantage there that nothing would have helped the Reich. The only chance was for the Germans to get nuclear weapons. A year of agony at most. Although, of course, the Allies' losses would have increased many times over.
  5. BAI
    +1
    26 November 2024 08: 06
    Experts in the heat of the moment announced the warhead mass - 250 kg. There were 6 of them. This means the warhead mass is 1,5 tons.
    1. -1
      26 November 2024 15: 51
      Quote: BAI
      This means that the warhead mass is 1,5 tons.

      banal calculation request :
      speed, m/s 3000
      weight, kg 1500
      energy, J 6,75E+09
      J in 1g of TNT 3000
      g TNT 2,25E+06
      kg of TNT 2,25E+03
      1. 0
        27 November 2024 00: 02
        . banal calculation


        Holy shit, my brain didn't take it in. I guess he got old.
        I'll try to explain in detail:
        The payload weight is 1800 kg (for ease of calculation). A total of 6 warheads. Each 1800/6 = 300 kg. We divide /6 submunitions = 50 kg each. Let's take the speed of 3000 m/s.
        Formula of kinetic energy E=mV²/2
        E=50•3000²/2=225 megajoules.
        1 kg of TNT = 4.2 megajoules. (from the reference book)
        225/4.2=56.25 kg of TNT.
        In total, we get that 36 items with a TNT equivalent of 57 kg each fell on the plant. This is approximately FAB100. Or Geranium-2.

        Question: could 36 FAB100s destroy it "into dust"? Considering the area of ​​several square kilometers?
        1. +1
          27 November 2024 06: 03
          Quote: Podvodnik
          Holy shit, my brain didn't take it.

          Because an erroneous assumption (and not just one) was accepted as the basis for calculations.
          Quote: Podvodnik
          Load weight 1800 kg (for ease of calculation)

          No, this is not an ICBM, but an IRBM based on the first two stages. The payload of an ICBM is 1,5 (rounded for convenience) + the mass of the 3rd stage is 3,5 tons = 5 tons. That's the number you'll dance from. The mass of one block is about 140 kg.
          And what speed of the block at the ground did you calculate? The fantasy speed of 5M?? The announced GDP speed of 10M? Or the speed of the Americans, which was recorded by the location and officially announced as "around 11M"?
          Now recalculate and see what you get. hi
          Well, look closely at the photo of one of the landings of such a block at Yuzhmash given in the comments, and evaluate the energy.
    2. 0
      26 November 2024 22: 05
      This is what puzzles me.
      1,5 tons, 6 by 250 kg - that's understandable. But if you divide it by 6, it turns out that the plant was hit by 40 kg ammunition.
      Each division: by 6 and by 6 more - is a loss of speed. Braking in dense layers of the atmosphere.
      10-11 MAX can be for 6 warheads in space after getting off the bus.
      Further division by 6 in the atmosphere. And the speed will be 5 MAX, no more. This is more than the Dagger, right.
      But the lethal force of a 40 kg submunition at 5 MAX is not as catastrophic as it is supposed to be. Hypothesis.
      It's interesting to hear the objections.
      1. -2
        27 November 2024 00: 02
        Quote: voyaka uh
        It's interesting to hear the objections.

        The objection is simple. We are not counting from the mythical RS-26, but from the same "Yars", but without the third stage. If we estimate the mass of the 3rd stage at about 3,5 tons, and the mass of the MIRV with the breeding stage at about 1,5 tons, then the mass of the hypothetical "Oreshnik" based on the first 2 stages of the "Yars" will be 5 tons with the breeding stage. And if we take into account the quite probable "overload", because the rocket does not have far to fly, then we can safely add another 1,5 - 2 tons. That is, the actual mass of the 36 BBs of the "Oreshnik" can be estimated within 3,5 - 5 tons (excluding the weight of the breeding stage). Consequently, the mass of one BB of this missile will be within 100 - 140 kg. The kinetic energy of such a warhead will be equivalent (approximately) to the power of the explosion of one and a half to two warheads of the Kalibr cruise missile, taking into account their deep penetration, the creation of a mass of secondary fragments of high energy, a local earthquake within a radius of about 150 m with a magnitude of up to 12 points and the effect of the addition of counter-shock and seismic waves from the impact with the surface/target and the entire penetration depth of the 6 blocks of each bundle.
        Let's also not forget that for this purpose the range was only 800 km, so the MRBM could safely launch "fully loaded" (with the maximum possible payload).
        I would assume that the range of such a missile with such a combat load would be about 4000 km, but this is purely empirical. For Europe, this would definitely be enough, especially if it is equipped with normal nuclear warheads, and not "Arrows of the Gods".
        1. +1
          27 November 2024 00: 18
          That is, you believe (if I understood correctly) that Oreshnik is a converted Topol without a third stage with a B. Parts bus from Yars.
          Such a hypothesis exists.
          Weight 5 tons, submunition weight 100-140 kg. I don't argue.
          But I still don't understand how the second division of each of the 6 warheads into 6 more was technically accomplished. It's a complicated thing, no one has done this before...
          1. 0
            27 November 2024 05: 49
            Quote: voyaka uh
            But I still don't understand how the second division of each of the 6 warheads into 6 more was technically accomplished. It's a complicated thing, no one has done this before...

            But earlier, before the possibility of guiding each block appeared, there was a usual separation\dispersion of blocks for hitting area targets. Until "buses" appeared. Probably in this case too - blocks\cassettes with 6 munitions are diverted to each target, and the submunitions themselves are diverted upon entering the atmosphere. There is no need to diverge them strongly, but it is necessary to create a certain field of destruction with each of these beams. I think this is exactly how it is done. And it hardly makes sense to diverge\disperse each inert block individually.
            It's a different matter if there is an option to equip such a missile with 36 low-yield nuclear warheads. Then each "cassette" with 6 such blocks will need its own breeding stage. And this is a completely different level of complexity. However, to hit large area targets with a carpet of 36 low-yield nuclear warheads, the guidance scheme can be exactly the same as with inert blocks. And I would not want to end up under such a carpet.
            I am sure that this missile will have several modifications at once.
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Poplar without the third stage with the B. Chastey bus from Yars.
            Such a hypothesis exists.

            Not necessarily "Topol". To put them on duty, it is definitely necessary to build new missiles with a sufficient resource for 10-15-20 years. But for use in the short term, such a combination is possible. There are enough missiles in storage in Russia, they are quite combat-ready/functional, sometimes they are used to launch satellites. It is not a fact that this is exactly how it was done, but this is exactly how I would do it - new ones for duty, redesigned ones for use. There is a lot of work for such weapons now, and the published photo of the arrival (arrival site) shows that the energy of even an inert block is no less than that of a warhead equipped with conventional TNT weighing 1000 kg. (like the same Kh-22). I think that the tests will be continued because the public asks for it, and the test program specifically requires practical use in a real military conflict. We need to accumulate statistics and experience in use.
            And producing new heavy IRBMs of this class is not a problem for Russia - in the lazy peaceful years, 40 ICBMs were produced per year. Now more can and should be produced. We are talking specifically about new ones. And from those in storage, it is easy to assemble 100-200 of such IRBMs in any configuration. And I am sure... I hope that this is also how it is done. A sufficient fleet of heavy IRBMs can be created fairly quickly. And now there are probably at least a dozen of them in readiness. Having one or two, no one would fool around like that. First, similar machines are created in a nuclear version, and then as a derivative of them - conventional ones. And it was the new one that was probably flying at Yuzhmash.
  6. +23
    26 November 2024 08: 13
    To destroy Yuzhmash, Oreshnik was needed; to liquidate the Volgograd Tractor Plant and other machine-building and machine-tool factories in Russia, only sleight of hand, Russian hands, was needed.
    1. +6
      26 November 2024 21: 40
      To destroy Yuzhmash, Oreshnik was needed
      - And Yuzhmash is definitely destroyed? I would like some proof...
  7. +5
    26 November 2024 08: 21
    Why doesn't our Ministry of Defense publish the results of the strikes in photographs? Even a UAV can reach Dnepropetrovsk, if we don't have enough satellites. Before and after, and there's no need to explain anything to anyone. When it's visual, the brain quickly gets into the right order!
  8. +14
    26 November 2024 08: 23
    They have already fired something worse, and judging by everything, this was fired from the Kapustin Yar test site - it is an experimental model, they won't have the courage to fire it at Western countries. And the "new friends" - China, India, and the countries of the Global South - are categorically against firing a nuclear one.
    All this is just a "terror campaign". But no one was scared.
    1. -3
      26 November 2024 15: 52
      Another "hernist" has appeared. Add Rust's failure to this as well. It will do for the persuasiveness of the lie.
  9. +2
    26 November 2024 08: 31
    Much will become clear after when/if they appear pictures of Yuzhmash, whose production facilities were hit by an Oreshnik MRBM.

    We need to ask Roscosmos to publish these images. Why hasn't this been done yet?
    1. 0
      26 November 2024 23: 09
      Quote: Stas157
      We need to ask Roscosmos to publish these images. Why hasn't this been done yet?

      There's thick cloud cover there. The sun will come out, maybe they'll take a photo.
  10. -2
    26 November 2024 10: 47
    It is the USA/Great Britain that is currently destroying Russia.
    Ukraine and NATO are nothing more than expendable instruments of the Anglo-Saxons.
    In order to prevent destruction by the vastly superior forces of NATO and Japan, it is necessary to stop not the tools, but the one who holds them in his hands.
    The only thing that will force the US/UK to abandon this promising war that has already begun is the threat of inflicting unacceptable damage on themselves, as the Master of this war.
    For this reason, "dancing with a tambourine" around the SVO, strikes on Ukraine and even threats to Europe are assistance to the US/UK in inciting war and drawing Europe into it. In order to threaten the US/UK themselves, strategic weapons with nuclear equipment are necessary.
    Strategic missiles with non-nuclear warheads can only be used to solve TACTICAL tasks.
    As a tool for causing unacceptable damage, they are UNCONVINCING to the enemy. Compared to traditional nuclear weapons.
    When the stakes are extremely high, strategic weapons are used, the threat and use of conventional warheads tells the enemy that his counterparty lacks the determination to use nuclear weapons, that is, cowardice.
    1. +2
      26 November 2024 11: 00
      The use of strategic missiles with non-nuclear warheads can also be a tool for deceiving the country's population without creating any real threats to the colony's owners.
    2. -1
      27 November 2024 09: 45
      Quote: Alexey Davydov
      As a tool for causing unacceptable damage, they are UNCONVINCING to the enemy. Compared to traditional nuclear weapons.
      When the stakes are extremely high, strategic weapons are used, the threat and use of conventional warheads tells the enemy that his counterparty lacks the determination to use nuclear weapons, that is, cowardice.

      Yes, here they just needed a media effect. But it looks like it didn't turn out to be that big. Well, yes, a statement was made that we have new-generation INF missiles. The only question is, in what quantities? And when and where will they be deployed? If it's one division in the European part of the Russian Federation, that's one thing.
      But if there are several missile units in Kamchatka and Chukotka, and of course in Europe, that is something completely different.
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  12. +2
    26 November 2024 17: 40
    MRBM "Oreshnik" with a conventional warhead: it happened....
    The author got overexcited and got it all wrong. No one is going to use IRBMs in a non-nuclear version, it is too expensive. In this case, a demonstration was made that we have IRBM missiles with guided hypersonic units and that they quite well hit their targets. This means that one missile can destroy 36 enterprises in a city the size of London or Paris with tactical nuclear charges.
    But the author missed the fact that this launch marks the end of the era of ballistic missiles and the beginning of the era of hypersonic glide vehicles.
    1. +2
      27 November 2024 00: 24
      "and the beginning of the era of hypersonic glide vehicles,"///
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      I didn't understand this thought of yours.
      The Oreshnik BC was not planned.
      These are symmetrical cones falling almost vertically.
      Only the Avangard (ICBM) has a gliding warhead.
      And the new American tactical missiles (not yet accepted into service).
      1. -1
        27 November 2024 10: 05
        The Oreshnik warheads are guided. This follows from the statement that they cannot be intercepted by modern air defense systems (they can intercept ballistic ones). I won't judge whether they are made on the principle of the Iskander or Avangard, and that's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is that the development of a ballistic missile with guided units means a transition from ballistic to guided flight of warheads, and the gliding unit is the pinnacle of this evolution.
        1. 0
          27 November 2024 10: 28
          I understand. But you are wrong about the BR BC.
          They have a target correction at the terminal section.
          In the last seconds, the seeker is turned on. It contains either a radar or a video camera.
          It reduces the CEP from several hundred meters to several meters.
          But: as practice has shown, the seeker does not always work. The target must be "contrasting". Either video-contrasting or optical-contrasting. Therefore, they usually rely on the nuclear warhead for reliability.
          It is difficult for missile defense to intercept a warhead not because of this correction, but because of the extremely short response time. The answer is to "get in the warhead's way" so that it crashes into the kinetic killer. If the killer does not have time to "get in" the warhead's way, it is a miss.
          The glider is a separate topic. There, the accuracy of the hit is a huge problem.
          1. 0
            28 November 2024 12: 47
            They have a target correction at the terminal section....
            It will not be possible to evade interception. The interception zone starts 100 km from the target and it is quite possible to hit a flying brick now, at least this is what both ours and the Americans claim. The statement about the guaranteed overcoming of air defense means that the block in flight moves with a lateral acceleration of a random nature, i.e. it is impossible to calculate the lead point for it, but only the zone of its possible passage, i.e. an accurate hit is unlikely.
            What you are describing is not a problem for interception, including the short time for interception. On the one hand, the interception is automatic, on the other hand, the block is in the kill zone for 30 seconds, and it was detected much earlier. And what was the point in the statement to call an ordinary ballistic brick hypersonic?
            1. 0
              28 November 2024 18: 36
              "that the block in flight moves with lateral acceleration of a random nature"///
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              You are being deceived.
              There is such a thing: the force of inertia.
              It is irresistible. The higher the speed, the stronger it is.
              If you are driving at high speed and jerk the steering wheel to the side, the car will obey you. But if you then jerk the steering wheel back, then never you will not return to the same highway.
              All this maneuverability of the BR BC is a bluff. To tell the simpletons "but we have it!"
              Maneuvering begins - accuracy ends. The target is lost.
              1. 0
                29 November 2024 20: 33
                There is such a thing: the force of inertia.
                )))) This is a conditional, i.e. imaginary force. There is a law of conservation of momentum, from which it follows that in order to change the speed of an object, you need to apply a force to it against the vector of its motion. This (in the sense of the linear speed of the object) does not interfere with lateral acceleration in any way. Simply, by jerking the steering wheel at high speed, you create a very large lateral acceleration, but this is purely a design feature of the vehicle on which you deign to move. As for the accuracy of guidance - an anti-aircraft missile also actively maneuvers, but it still manages to hit the target. This is not such an insurmountable problem.
  13. +1
    26 November 2024 17: 46
    The blow was good. Especially in the second video, where it seemed like the sky itself decided to punish.
  14. +1
    26 November 2024 19: 22
    Well, gentlemen "haters", how are we now with the impossibility and inexpediency of creating strategic class ballistic missiles with a conventional warhead (WH)?
    Everything is the same.
    With the impossibility of ensuring the required accuracy of the approach of warheads?
    Nothing has changed: Yuzhmash is a colossal target.
    With the inevitable start of the “Third World War” in its nuclear version in the event of the use of such weapons?
    Is this when all sorts of scum are warned half an hour before launch? Why?
    since the difference between an ICBM and an MRBM is quite arbitrary and, from a legal point of view, can be only a couple of kilometers.
    Look at the financial side: there is a very big difference there - the price of an entire step.
  15. +2
    27 November 2024 03: 20
    Much will become clear after/if photographs of Yuzhmash, whose production facilities were hit by the Oreshnik MRBM, appear.

    The pictures have appeared. "Meteorite craters" on the territory of the plant have not been noticed. We are waiting for more detailed pictures.
  16. 0
    27 November 2024 04: 18
    Briefly about the article - presumably, based on unconfirmed data.
  17. +2
    27 November 2024 09: 31
    IRBM "Oreshnik" with a conventional warhead: it happened

    What happened? Why did it happen? Where did the author get so much boiling water and flying caps about this? Who denied the author that instead of BB with nuclear filling it is possible to install blanks, and what are the technical difficulties here, it is not clear at all?
    But as for practical benefits and price-target, here there are really a lot of questions. About the tales that YuzhMash was put in its entirety - this is somewhere in the humorous. I am more than sure that 36 Kh-101 or Kalibr missiles that broke through will cause more damage to the plant than 36 BBs with the same energy equivalent as the warheads of the announced cruise missiles. Cruise missiles simply have a CEP of 5-10 m, while the INF BBs have 50-100 m.
    But the media effect - wow! That was an amazing fireworks display!!! Well, what next? Was anyone scared? NO!!! AFTER this nutcracker there have already been two attacks on the Kursk region by Western missiles.
    What next, dear author?
  18. +2
    27 November 2024 11: 38
    Judging by the published satellite images, these were blanks, and not what the author described in 300 pages of incomprehensible text. Even in the West they were surprised by such little damage to the plant. So the author's happiness and jeers about the super answer are somehow incomprehensible.
  19. 0
    27 November 2024 11: 51
    The consequences of Oreshechki, reported Partisans...
  20. 0
    27 November 2024 22: 04
    In the meantime, we would like to congratulate the developers of the Oreshnik MRBM and wish them further successful and fruitful work on creating a new generation of strategic weapons!

    I join in the congratulations! Further creative success!
  21. 0
    28 November 2024 22: 57
    Quote: Single-n
    Do you think that in 1945 the Americans themselves would not have been able to crush the Reich?

    If only, yes if only, mushrooms grew in my mouth!
  22. +1
    28 November 2024 23: 00
    A ballistic missile is expensive. VERY expensive. So the question arises - how many of these "Oreshniks" with a conventional warhead are needed to cause significant damage to the enemy, and how much will this banquet cost? ... It's like shooting ducks with golden bullets.
  23. -1
    2 December 2024 05: 55
    Why does the Oreshnik MRBM have a maximum range of 5501 kilometers? What? Will it run out of gas???
  24. 0
    5 December 2024 12: 38
    The US is messing with our heads. First they will stir up the situation, then another one will come to the American throne. For show, they will pour shit on the previous one, declare him almost an enemy of America (such is the fate of more or less significant figures in the US who have retired), and the new one will start offering treaties and detente and overload and other concessions, and our suckers (I hope V.V. Putin and his assistants are not like them and in this case it will not work) with stifled breath will go for all the gingerbread and promises, which in the future will result in awarding the "Maidan Cookie" order. And so on endlessly, and everything that has been accumulated in the Russian Federation will be stolen and sold to the US and democrats (for example, a cruiser for scrap metal for 1 dollar). That's how we lived, how we will live - we will see.
  25. 0
    5 December 2024 20: 42
    The guys from Kap.Yar got carried away. They should have hit the call center in Dnepropetrovsk. How much money our pensioners would have saved.