"Let's have a blast! We'll definitely have a blast, and more than once. The whole world will go to hell. But then..."

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"Let's have a blast! We'll definitely have a blast, and more than once. The whole world will go to hell. But then..."
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Well, we can all be congratulated on the fact that we have now seen things that previous generations did not even dare to think about. We have seen the use of what was previously considered taboo and weapons the last day of humanity - intercontinental ballistic missile missiles.


And let the perfectionists grumble that "it's an IRBM", it's different. Place such a missile in Kamchatka, and without a magic wand it will turn into an intercontinental one with all the ensuing consequences on another continent - North America.



Now the whole world is feverishly trying to figure out what the Russians have launched there. The nonsense will be off the charts, there are already such hypotheses that it makes your hair stand on end. Therefore, we will not interfere with the professionals in their perversions, including reinterpreting the laws of physics of this Universe, but will talk about slightly different matters.

Question one: Is it really that important what flew there?


It doesn't matter at all, but there are a couple of nuances. If it was an IRBM, then we withdrew from the Treaty a year ago. That is, either our specialists created a new missile in a year on the old backlog (for example, on the RSD-10 "Pioneer", which is their SS-20 Sabre), because at the time the destruction of the INF began, there was already a metal "Pioneer-3", maximally unified with the "Topol".

In fact, it's hard to believe. We can't bring an aircraft engine up to standard in ten years, and here we have an ICBM. Or, as an option, the INF Treaty is a treaty, but the work never stopped. Then - easy.

Or the third option - they hit us with what they had. I believe in this, because in the Strategic Missile Forces we still have enough specialists of the highest category who are able to recalculate the trajectory of a missile practically "for themselves" - at ranges from 5 to 10 thousand kilometers, these 800 km from KapYar to Dnepropetrovsk - consider dropping them under your feet. You really have to be able to do this, and some parties considering this case are confident that this is exactly what happened.


Is it good or bad? It's hard to say, but Mr. Scholz (who, according to our information, has a small interest in the shares of the Rheinmetall concern) is right to squeal: if it hits the Rheinmetall plants, it will be unpleasant. It's not necessary to send such a gift to Dusseldorf, although it will be much easier to aim at Dusseldorf than at Dnepropetrovsk. You could, for example, hit the city of Unterluss, which is in Northern Saxony. And destroy the shell factory.

So, in fact, it doesn't matter at all what the Russian Strategic Missile Forces have at their disposal. Topol-M, Yars, Pioneer-4, Rubezh, Oreshnik or Podsnezhnik - what difference does it make what you call them? The main thing is that there are weapons, and now the whole world has become convinced that not only does Russia have missiles, but they are not just a scarecrow that can only be used to threaten, but a real club that can beat anyone.

And here even full-weight charges are not necessary: ​​a steel blank accelerated to a speed of 10-11 km/h at the finish will have such a quantity of kinetic energy that when it hits an object it will explode no worse than a high-explosive warhead of a cruise missile, and even more effectively. Which is what actually happened in Dnepropetrovsk.

"Everyone was very interested in "Oreshnik" because of the interesting Soviet tradition of giving missile launchers names of plants instead of something threatening. There is even a certain humorous tone to this, although we are discussing an absolutely sad subject. In addition, the hazel is an interesting tree. According to mythology, it was used to drive out the forces of darkness. The name has a subtext," writer Sergei Lukyanenko shared with the publication Abzats.

Question two: was it really necessary for us to become first?


The championship, it must be said, is very dubious, but: what else, excuse me, could we do? ATACMS and Storm Shadow in Crimea, Bryansk, Kursk and Belgorod regions – is that normal? Moreover, to hell with it, with the "Shadow of the Storm", but as has already been written, ATACMS cannot be launched without very powerful assistance from NATO structures. This missile cannot fly "to whomever God sends", it needs a clear program according to which it will carry out its flight mission.

And so, through another "red line" ATACMS flew to our side. The case when it is simply impossible not to respond, because this will testify to the complete weakness of Russia and, accordingly, to the fact that further on it is possible to commit complete lawlessness, not paying attention to all these "latest Chinese" warnings and words about an adequate response.

And, it should be noted that no one in the world made any predictions. After all the rather toothless statements, drawing "red lines", well, really, what can I say, these Russians, they were supposed to take all of Ukraine in a month, and they...

Now everything is quite nervous, because here you are, receiving food for thought in the form in which it arrived.

Let's look back and remember what we were talking about here on the pages of "Obozreniye" just a few days ago? The calmer part of the audience was talking about another massive missile strike on the objects of the Ukrainian energy system, those who have a poor view of the shores, as always, however, were broadcasting about a nuclear strike.

But in reality, the third option came out, in which cruise and ballistic missiles were simply a backdrop for His Majesty the ICBM. Although Ukraine was again without electricity, because while the ICBM was shocking everyone who watched its flight, cruise missiles were routinely hammering Ukraine's energy infrastructure.

And here it does not matter whether the missile that hit Yuzhmash was created quickly, or it was simply pulled out of storage and hastily painted. What is important is the result, which many saw. A spectacle that captivates with its appearance, because you understand: this is exactly how it will come, the End of all human civilization.

As the great American science fiction writer Ray Bradbury wrote in his immortal novel Fahrenheit 451, “…at that moment the War began and ended…”

Moreover, everything was done beautifully: they warned those who are partners. Like, we'll hit Ukraine there, don't get too nervous. We'll do without the "nuclear loaf". Otherwise, someone weak on nerves will press the wrong button... No, but such a situation could easily have happened! What should the Americans have thought when they watched on their radars and satellite cameras how a ballistic monster entered orbit and turned in the opposite direction from Kura, where Russian ICBMs usually fly for testing?

Sorry, you could make the white uniform brown or yellow. And there would be nothing shameful about it, because rehearsals for the Apocalypse don't happen every day.

When ours fired a salvo from underwater for the first time in the world, the world was also seriously tense. Many on the other side of the world remembered 21:9 p.m. on August 6, 1991 for a long time. But then no one was warned about anything, now it’s exactly the opposite: dear partners, don’t worry, we’ll just shoot with dummy shells, everything will be fine. And tell the Ukrainians – it would be better to walk five kilometers from Yuzhmash, or better yet, ten. To avoid it.

But Defense... The air defense can try to portray something. It is even desirable, we ourselves are interested in what will come out of this in the end.

By the way, the air defense could do absolutely nothing. More precisely, 36 nothing, based on the number of warheads in the six blocks of the MIRV missile. Not the speeds to take, much less destroy. The Patriots have nothing to do here, and THAAD, as you understand, no one will give Ukraine.

The fact that the warned Ukrainian authorities did not utter a word, not even half a word, at their “telethon” only once again testifies to the fact that there are practically no people left there.

As a result, 36 blanks, accelerated to a speed of 10-11 km/h and heated by friction with the atmosphere, plunged into the Yuzhmash workshops. The earth shook, say eyewitnesses living about a kilometer from the plant.

Question three. What next?


And then nothing for now. Then it’s up to all of Europe to think about it, because, speaking on this topic, Putin, as usual, somehow blurted everything out. There was a very complex phrase there, regarding the fact that Russia could “…to use weapons against the objects of those countries that allow their weapons to be used against Russian objects.”

Very vague and without specifics. That is, we can, but where - Rzeszow or Dusseldorf, Unterluss or Bolton, which is in Bedfordshire (Storm Shadow is made there) - you decide for yourself in Europe.

There is little food for thought. The ruins of Yuzhmash are not quite the same, especially since the Ukrainian Air Defense Forces threw up their hands: "Well, they couldn't do it!" It is clear that a whole horde of experts of various kinds will now come galloping to Dnepropetrovsk, whose fuss will be reduced to one thing: to assess the damaging factor of the Russian missile.

Perhaps they will not have enough information. Never mind, they will give another set of coordinates for launching ATACMS on objects on Russian territory, so that we can apply it again from our side. For example, the Lviv railway junction. Where cargo from Germany and other goodies are transshipped. Although I personally prefer Rzeszow with its terminals or, at worst, the pilot training center in Romania. But it is a matter of taste, as they say. In general, there are more than enough targets, forgive me for such a pun.

I was watching very carefully what they were saying and writing on the other side, and there, having recovered from the shock, they started to spin the yarn about how it was a one-off action, that Russia had a couple of such missiles, and that you could and should sleep peacefully. And wait until the TCK comes for your soul. And Dnepr was not a strategically important city, so the air defense there was so-so...

In general, calls for calm, everything is going according to plan. But the overall impression is that Kyiv will run into another test. With a normal warhead, not blanks. But not with special ammunition either, that's clear.

Putin made it clear that we have enough missiles and we can use them if necessary. On November 22.11, such an explanation was given at a meeting in the Kremlin with the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, the military-industrial complex and developers of missile weapons.

The phrase that the tests would continue was especially interesting. Without specifics, whether at our special testing grounds or in Europe. With a mock-up part or a combat high-explosive warhead. It is no secret that any of our ICBMs could have a regular warhead in addition to a special warhead.

In general, it is clear and understandable that if attacks deep into Russian territory do not cease, then massive strikes on Ukrainian targets will also follow with enviable regularity.

The last question. Who needs to turn on their brains and start thinking?


It is clear that it is not Zelensky. He lives in his own interesting little world, apparently, inspired by what the not-quite-president deigns to consume.

And in general, there is nothing to think about, it's a clinic. If a person does not understand what he is doing, then who is his judge? Only the Ukrainian people, who voted for this phenomenon.

By the way, I'm not even talking about the strikes on Russian cities. I'm talking about the fact that this strange organization called the Ukrainian government did not inspire its own citizens to protect themselves from ICBMs. They knew. They were warned. But, apparently, they were waiting for it to fly somewhere inappropriate (like a school or a hospital), so that there would be many victims. So that they could scream to their heart's content about this topic and beg for more money and weapons from the West. So far they've been giving it.

You need to turn on your brains in Europe. And the arrival of the product with the working title "Oreshnik" is a wonderful occasion for this. I would say - more than wonderful, because here is the very Russian "we can do it again" in all its glory.

It can be repeated, and even should be. Perhaps in the same non-combat configuration. According to the enterprises that produce Tanks, guns, shells, missiles, anti-tank guided missiles, especially cruise missiles.

The situation itself is strange: all of Europe provides weapons, but why is only Ukraine paying for them? No, gentlemen, the concept of "justice" requires that the burden of war be borne by all those participating in it.

Yes, by the way, Russia is often reproached for the fact that Kalashnikov assault rifles kill many people all over the world. But if, say, you take a terrorist who sprayed booths with an AK on the territory of that very dance festival that started it all in Gaza, then it is very difficult to trace the path of his assault rifle. It could have traveled half the world and taken part in several conflicts.

Cruise missile – excuse me, but it’s a bit more complicated. It’s a precision weapon that can’t be bought on the world’s “black market” for just a handful of dollars. It’s not an AK after all.

And there is absolutely no need to hire detectives to trace the path of, say, Storm Shadow from British arsenals to launchers in Ukraine. Everything is clear and understandable there. Therefore, an arrival to where these missiles are manufactured would be, to put it mildly, logical.

Although it is necessary to strike at the decision-making centers. What is the fault of the British, German, French workers who produce weapons? Yes, they are ordinary workers, and, most likely, patriots of their country, working for its good and in the name of security.

But those who made decisions such as supplying weapons to Ukraine, they should think about it.

Although, of course, the whole of Europe will have to be beaten to death, starting with our former Warsaw Pact allies. We remember how all these Bulgarias, Romania, Slovakia and the Czech Republic rushed, losing their slippers, to supply Kyiv with Soviet equipment and ammunition, in the hope that the good "older European brothers" would supply them with new European weapons.

There are more than enough targets. But those who must pay must pay. Here are the F-16s, which are doing something in the Ukrainian sky: who should be hit, the Lockheed Martin factories in the US, where these planes were manufactured, or the residences of certain individuals in Denmark, who kindly handed over the decommissioned planes to Ukraine?

In theory, after yet another thousandth warning, patience may snap. And it will fly not over Ukrainian land, which we will then have to restore (you understand, THAT part, which...) tearing up the budget, but to where anti-Russian decisions are made.

Of course, it is savagery. Especially from the point of view of those who will get it. It is barbarity. Especially from the point of view of those who shamelessly steal Russian money, arrest state assets, and so on. But we live in a world where savagery and barbarity take place and sit in expensive suits in Brussels, The Hague, London, and other interesting places.

It's time for Europe to start thinking. Yes, the Bundeswehr is already preparing for war, the French semblance of an army too. They were shown a war they could end up in. One ICBM is nothing compared to hundreds and thousands of cruise and hypersonic missiles, which will quickly throw such a civilized and ennobled (at first glance) Europe back to the era of barbarism. Fortunately, the Europeans have already brought in barbarians in abundance.

We must start thinking. In the shade of the poplar and hazel, while this shade does not yet block out the sun. Yes, it is not very nice to declare that we can "...the whole world into dust", but such are the times we live in. And as is well known, Extremis malis extrema remedia, desperate times require desperate measures. So said the man who saved Rome from Hannibal, Quintus Fabius Maximus, who understood both war and politics.
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  1. +18
    23 November 2024 05: 55
    One strike by Oreshnik on Yuzhmash is clearly not enough...the enemy has not learned the lesson.
    The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) fired 11 HIMARS missiles and one guided aerial bomb at the Baryatinsky princely estate in the Kursk region.
    1. +13
      23 November 2024 06: 22
      There is a version that the command staff of the Russian Ministry of Defense was sitting there. That is why they bombed the estate. NATO satellites work well and they did not send expensive missiles there for no reason.
      1. +1
        23 November 2024 13: 16
        I don't think so, this version is most likely a fabrication, promoted by the CIPSOT, knowing exactly the range of enemy missiles, ours are not so stupid as to expose themselves so stupidly.
        1. +6
          23 November 2024 15: 21
          Well, Rogozin did expose himself at the time! And our people got a good deal on New Year's when everyone was sitting on the Internet. How many have already flown to our warehouses and airfields. There is a war going on, but we don't have a serious attitude towards the enemy. Although this is probably one of the two landmarks of Russia that it is famous for.
          1. +12
            24 November 2024 02: 21
            Let's be honest, we've always had plenty of fools
          2. +5
            24 November 2024 22: 02
            The whole DPR knew in which pub Rogozin would celebrate his birthday... And the Ukrainian spies too.
    2. +3
      23 November 2024 12: 50
      Apparently this really isn’t enough, it’s not enough, but never mind, for those who are particularly stubborn and incapable of thinking adequately and learning lessons, we can and should repeat, and in an increasing manner.
    3. +2
      23 November 2024 14: 01
      The next target should be the Beskai Tunnel.
    4. -4
      24 November 2024 06: 29
      Dreamers…

      In response to regular long-range missile strikes on military targets in Russia, NATO will not respond.

      But a missile could accidentally fly into Rzeszow, or into the air defense installations in Poland and Romania "Aegis onshore". With a warning about a targeting error... in the event of an escalation of attacks by the Ukrainian Armed Forces...
    5. -2
      24 November 2024 12: 59
      In fairness, it should be noted that the arrival at the Baryatinsky estate was before Oreshnik's arrival.
  2. -16
    23 November 2024 05: 58
    The President said we will strike at facilities, even those abroad, that produce weapons transferred to Ukraine.
    But, with a caveat, we will warn in advance, let those who want to live save themselves...
    Now let's start playing with the West!
    In three hours Russia will hit "Ramshtein"!
    We are waiting.
    A day, another, a third. Let them get nervous.
    -We've changed our minds. We'll hit the military base in Finland!
    Then to Hawaii!
    And so you can drive Europe and America crazy forever.
    Let's evaluate the reaction.
    We'll wear out the enemy until he begs for mercy.
    Or maybe we'll hit somewhere! laughing laughing laughing
    1. +4
      23 November 2024 06: 06
      Karkayev said that Oreshnik is capable of reaching targets all over Europe.
      A very strong argument.
      The main thing is that it reaches the brains of Borrell, Baerbock, Macron and other European bugs.
      1. +12
        23 November 2024 06: 30
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Karkayev said that Oreshnik is capable of reaching targets all over Europe.

        He is capable, yes, he is capable - these are true words.
        But who will let him in there? It's all our own, bourgeois...
        1. +9
          23 November 2024 06: 43
          All the bourgeois are sitting in London, Israel, Florida.
          All sorts of Kokhs, Chubais, Kozyrevs.
          The Kremlin's political elite is now Russia's Achilles heel.
          You never know where they will run...to London or Florida...Israel is out of the question now...Hamas and Hezbollah will be fried along with the Jews.
          In Florida, stolen money from the Russian budget may be expropriated under the pretext of sanctions.
          London remains... but there are already LGBT migrants running riot there... so the places on our planet where our bourgeois can hide what they have earned through backbreaking labor in Russia are under threat. what
          1. -6
            23 November 2024 14: 00
            Didn't you know? The world financial system is managed by a secret Masonic lodge, controlled by the VC race of Jewish reptilians!
        2. +4
          23 November 2024 08: 25
          Excuse me, but how are you living? What is this habit of whining all the time? If they didn't hit you - that's bad, if they hit you - that's also bad, not like that and not where. If you were in the Kremlin, then you'd be shaking, you enemies... By the way, it's good that people like you are kept away from the Kremlin.
          If you want the best, then get off your ass, go to the military registration and enlistment office, help the guys. I recently got in touch with a fellow serviceman from the Caucasus, he's in the SVO, and he's already over 50 and has lost two sons-in-law (missing in action). Now that's a REAL MAN who doesn't moan about how bad everything is, but actually does something! There are a lot of moaners here...

          P.S. Don't forget to downvote, couch warriors... It's boring girls...
          1. -1
            23 November 2024 08: 45
            Don't forget to downvote, couch warriors... It's boring girls...
            Of course it's boring...with optimists like you...I whine so that our traitors don't relax.
            I'm not going to take anyone's word for it...how many times has it happened that a person seems to say the right words, but his insides turn out to be rotten.
            I'd rather tell people like you what I think about this directly than remain silent.
            I won't give you a minus out of principle...and I won't adjust to you either. hi I am not your slave.
            1. -7
              23 November 2024 08: 48
              From what principle? Do you even have these principles? About the right words, you first serve as long as I do, and then we'll talk about who's right and who's not!
              1. +5
                23 November 2024 08: 51
                I don't care how long you served, the main thing is what kind of person you are.
                You went to serve, which means you chose this fate yourself, and you don't need to judge people by yourself...you can't judge everyone by the same brush. To each his own.
                1. -6
                  23 November 2024 08: 54
                  Of course, it's easier to whine from the couch than in the trenches under fire. And it's safer. It wasn't you who was putting the skull back together piece by piece, RIGHT?! You know better than us how it should be done, damn theorist...
                  1. -3
                    23 November 2024 08: 59
                    You yourself are whining... smile You see, you don't like whiners.
                    Every day I see the blood and death of our guys, soldiers and officers, and I understand perfectly well what war is...there is enough information about it on the resources...I don’t specifically push this topic and avoid it.
                    By the will of fate, I am not destined to go to war... please don't hold it against me... it doesn't depend on me... I'm fighting on the couch.
                    1. -4
                      23 November 2024 09: 07
                      Why is that? Are they really contraindications to service? Don't blow it in my ears, unless you're in a wheelchair they won't take you there. And don't tell me about blood and death, I didn't see them from the couch...
                      1. +2
                        23 November 2024 09: 11
                        I have no doubt that you have all seen this... but you are not the only one... it seems that the war has hardened you.
                        I am not going to justify myself to you or prove anything, it is pointless. hi
                      2. +6
                        23 November 2024 15: 46
                        Quote: Alex_1973
                        What's wrong? Is it a direct contraindication to service?

                        What is this habit of sending all the "whiners" to the trenches? If he is not in the trench, does that mean he has no right to vote? Or does logic no longer work out that he is right? Is Lyokha wrong in some way, point by point?
                      3. +1
                        28 November 2024 12: 46
                        They don't take. 58. DRA. Chechnya. Camper. They don't take and that's it. So, there's no point in saying that they take everyone and by the way, until 2022, I was there since 2014. And now I'm not needed... Oh well.. we'll get through it)))
                    2. -5
                      23 November 2024 09: 09
                      I'm fighting on the couch.


                      You wanted to say "I'm whining on the couch"))))
                      If you are not destined, then do not judge what you have not seen and will not see. He looks at resources b...
                      1. -7
                        23 November 2024 09: 14
                        Namesake, some people, after watching the video on the Internet, start to think that they actually saw a war... Well, here there is only a quote from Lavrov or a pathologist, there are no other options...
                      2. +2
                        23 November 2024 09: 16
                        You suggest keeping quiet... right?
                        Hide in a corner...
                        Unlike you, I don’t strive to see blood and death of people... damn warrior.
                      3. -3
                        23 November 2024 09: 21
                        You don't strive to see, that's clear. But you're quite good at discussing this topic with the air of an expert. You don't strive to see blood and death, but you wouldn't mind going somewhere with a nuclear bomb, right?
                        Yes, a warrior. Unlike you, I have seen blood and death. And unlike you, I understand that before shooting somewhere, you need to think 100 times. Or do you think that as usual you will sit on the couch and nothing will touch you? Well, I assure you, they have nuclear bombs too. And if anything happens, you and your couch can be split into atoms...
                      4. +4
                        23 November 2024 09: 24
                        No, sir... I don't think so at all. When every day they show the ruins of houses in Donetsk, Kursk region and I involuntarily try all this on my hometown, on my house and believe me, I worry too.
                        No need to fantasize.
                      5. -6
                        23 November 2024 09: 29
                        I mean that you shouldn't show your opposition where it doesn't need to be shown. Keep quiet once more, and maybe you'll marry a smart guy. Especially since you don't strive to see anything real.
                      6. +4
                        23 November 2024 09: 32
                        Well, you should apply this rule to yourself.
                        I have never treated military people with respect... but I can't stand arrogance, arrogance, rudeness of any person... even a military man.
                      7. -11
                        23 November 2024 09: 41
                        Where did you see rudeness, arrogance and arrogance? I am simply explaining to you in the most understandable way things that you understand like a pig in oranges. Maybe I am not doing it very politely... But this way you and characters like you understand better.
                      8. +3
                        23 November 2024 09: 45
                        You didn't explain anything to me...do you have a habit of being rude to people?
                        And you can turn yourself inside out, but I will not bend over backwards for you. hi
                      9. -6
                        23 November 2024 09: 49
                        You didn't explain anything to me...


                        Apparently my teaching talent was not enough. I encountered a difficult case.
                        I'm tired of bickering with you. Peace to your sofa.
                      10. 0
                        23 November 2024 09: 57
                        Peace to your sofa.

                        Have a nice one you too. hi
                      11. -9
                        23 November 2024 09: 28
                        Namesake BRAVO!!! Every word is gold! For some reason, it is those who have never seen war and want it most of all, BUT FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO FIGHT!
                      12. +4
                        23 November 2024 15: 53
                        Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
                        If you are not destined, then do not judge what you have not seen and will not see. He looks at resources b...

                        People like you pompously declared before the war that the army had no analogues. And just as "authoritatively" shut the mouths of opponents. It is thanks to people like you that various Timur Ivanovs have established a system of theft in the army, which today is reflected in a lot of blood. People like you are no better than TsIPSota.
                      13. -5
                        23 November 2024 17: 58
                        People like you pompously declared before the war that there was an army without equal. And just as "authoritatively" shut the mouths of opponents. It is thanks to people like you that various Timur Ivanovs



                        What the hell are you talking about???
                    3. -6
                      23 November 2024 09: 10
                      P.S. Where did you see me whining? An example for the studio...
                      1. +3
                        23 November 2024 09: 13
                        Well, you started whining about whiners. smile
                        You need to be calmer... no matter how irritating my whining may be to you, accept it as a quirk of Mother Nature.
                      2. -9
                        23 November 2024 09: 17
                        There are too many of you on this resource. Everyone thinks of themselves as strategists, seeing the battle from the sidelines.
                        The most amazing thing is that you (couch potatoes) are trying to convince those who have seen the war firsthand, this is of course NONSENSE!
                      3. +6
                        23 November 2024 09: 18
                        I'm not trying to convince you of anything, the nonsense is that you are sure that the rest of the world should adapt to you.
                      4. -9
                        23 November 2024 09: 22
                        You're lying again. No one should adapt to me. But only those who have seen it with their own eyes, and not on TV, can talk about war!!!
                      5. +8
                        23 November 2024 09: 25
                        Oh, how...that is, those who did not fight are second-class people, or what, in your opinion.
                        Aren't you taking on too much?
                      6. -8
                        23 November 2024 09: 31
                        Those who did not fight were very lucky and the second class has nothing to do with it. BUT only those who saw and lived through the war can fully discuss it!
                      7. +4
                        23 November 2024 09: 35
                        I see you've started to think more sensibly. hi
                        Don't be offended by me... I'm also worried about what's happening on SVO... I'll try to whine less.
                      8. +2
                        23 November 2024 09: 51
                        I'm not offended, it's hard to offend me. It's just that a year and a half ago I was hugging Predator, Bogdan and Erzno to Kleshcheyevka, I'm alive, and they're already gone. Erzno broke both his legs, blew himself up with a grenade, his disabled daughter was left without a father. Bogdan died of blood loss in the morning in our arms, also a daughter was left alone. Predator was buried under slabs when our basement collapsed like a house of cards. I was lucky, I dug myself out, but they weren't, everyone was left there. So that's how it is...
                      9. +5
                        23 November 2024 09: 55
                        Well...the main thing is that you're alive...I wish you health and good luck. hi
                      10. +2
                        23 November 2024 10: 00
                        Lech from Android. (Lech from Android)
                        Well...the main thing is that you're alive...I wish you health and good luck. hi

                        Thanks for your kind words! hi Peace and health to you and your family, God forbid you see what they see there!
                      11. 0
                        24 November 2024 13: 16
                        Quote: Alex_1973
                        But only those who have seen the war with their own eyes, and not on TV, can talk about it!!!

                        Let's then burn all the books and studies on the Great Patriotic War in the ovens. Many of them were written decades later by historians using archival documents who were not at the war, but the bastards dared to write about it.
                        You have some kind of unhealthy logic.
                    4. -4
                      23 November 2024 13: 21
                      Lyokha from Android, where do you see this blood and death that you dare to seriously discuss it and condemn someone from your couch, on TV or something???
          2. -9
            23 November 2024 08: 46
            I agree with every word+++++
            One such whiner here, when I suggested that he get off his ass and go to the front and show how it should be done, said that he’s not an idiot to die in a trench and, in general, he pays taxes and supports us military men who don’t know how to do anything.
            It's strange that the local couch whiners haven't thrown minuses at you yet. Apparently they haven't woken up yet)))
            1. -4
              23 November 2024 08: 50
              Thank you colleague hi , there aren't many of them here, mostly just armchair whiners! Armchair theorists...
              1. -6
                23 November 2024 08: 56
                P.S. There are several servicemen here, so for some reason everyone who was there agrees with me, but as for the couch troops, yes, there is a wide field for psychiatrists...
            2. +4
              23 November 2024 11: 11
              Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
              I have a whiner like this who responds to my suggestion to get off his ass and go to the front and show how it should be done.
              Why are you sitting here and not giving a master class in the DPR trenches?
              1. +4
                23 November 2024 13: 39
                I can't yet. I've been in the hospital for 3 months already.
                1. +5
                  24 November 2024 03: 32
                  Comrades, my dears, why are you starting a fight out of nowhere? Everyone has the right to express their opinion. Those who heard the whistle of bullets and the explosions of shells and those who did not have the chance. You see to the root, read carefully what the forum member writes. If you do not agree, refute with arguments. For example, I saw blood and death. And they pulled me out of the next world, thanks to my comrades for pulling me out and to the doctors for not being afraid of revenge from the counter-revolutionaries, but I also think that the retaliation did not hit the culprits, but rather their own, Russian territory, is wrong. No special warheads, this is a guaranteed nuclear war, but it is NATO members who need to be hit with a conventional charge. Otherwise they will become impudent, we will not stop them. But I cannot consider those who persistently demand to use a loaf of bread sane.
      2. -1
        23 November 2024 12: 56
        So that something would reach the primitive brains of these Euro-scumbags
        1. +4
          23 November 2024 13: 12
          In order for something to reach the primitive brains of these Euro-scumbags, it is necessary to destroy one of the military facilities on their territory and harshly and unambiguously warn that if they do not stop in Ukraine, then such strikes will become regular, these only understand the language of brute force, they can no longer be convinced by other methods, I think that after this all these Macrons, Scholzes and all the others like them will turn on their brains and return from the looking glass to a sense of objective reality.
    2. +8
      23 November 2024 06: 20
      Now let's start playing with the West!
      In three hours Russia will hit "Ramshtein"!
      We are waiting.
      A day, another, a third. Let them get nervous.
      -We've changed our minds. We'll hit the military base in Finland!
      Then to Hawaii!
      And so you can drive Europe and America crazy forever.
      Let's evaluate the reaction.
      We'll wear out the enemy until he begs for mercy.
      It's logical, but there's a nuance: if you constantly cry "wolves!", then eventually they'll stop believing. You can change your mind once, maybe twice... On the third time you'll have to hit.
      1. +1
        23 November 2024 09: 03
        Let's at least check how the West reacts. Will it be ready to start military actions against us.
        It's time for us to test their readiness using their methods, in small steps.
        Let them draw red lines.
    3. -1
      23 November 2024 08: 27
      Quote: Eldorado
      We'll wear out the enemy until he begs for mercy.
      Or maybe we'll hit somewhere!

      They're already freaking out, look how many downvotes they've thrown in. The hysteria continues.
    4. +4
      23 November 2024 08: 29
      Quote: Eldorado
      In three hours Russia will hit "Ramshtein"!
      We are waiting.
      A day, another, a third. Let them get nervous.
      -We've changed our minds. We'll hit the military base in Finland!
      Then to Hawaii!
      And so you can drive Europe and America crazy forever.

      Are you talking about red lines? People get used to them quickly and don't get nervous!
    5. +5
      23 November 2024 09: 50
      The West may well not appreciate such games and start playing preemptively.
      1. 0
        23 November 2024 10: 53
        Then they will become the instigators.
        We go to heaven, they go to hell!
        1. +1
          23 November 2024 14: 20
          So we're going to heaven anyway, right?
    6. 0
      23 November 2024 20: 05
      Well, they can also go along Rublevka and Novo-Ogaryovo...
    7. +1
      24 November 2024 08: 05
      He who is not a tactician is a strategist; he who is not Marx is Lenin; he who is not Bonaparte is a new Rokossovsky.
    8. 0
      27 November 2024 03: 24
      Well done! Humorous and clear!
  3. +4
    23 November 2024 06: 11
    It seems to me that until it arrives at the decision-making centers in Europe or America, nothing will change.
    And now it is really as written in the article:
    I was watching very carefully what they were saying and writing on the other side, and there, having recovered from the shock, they started to spin the story that it was a one-time action, that Russia only had a couple of such missiles, and that we could and should sleep peacefully.

    They will repeat this mantra as if bewitched, and prepare new attacks on Russian territory.
    Well, we'll see. We can talk for a long time, but reality is sometimes such that it's impossible to predict.
    1. +5
      23 November 2024 08: 48
      Nothing will fly further than Ukraine, since a direct strike on one of the NATO countries will mean the beginning of a new phase of the conflict with irreversible consequences. The voice of diplomacy will be drowned out by explosions then for good.
      1. +1
        23 November 2024 21: 11
        And have you noticed, forum members, how the Houthis are making leaps and bounds in terms of producing hypersonic weapons!
        They will soon start testing ballistic missiles too!
  4. +1
    23 November 2024 06: 30
    Here is a version from Norway of what it was. bully
  5. +10
    23 November 2024 06: 35
    You need to turn on your brains in Europe. And the arrival of the product with the working title "Oreshnik" is a wonderful occasion for this. I would say - more than wonderful, because here is the very Russian "we can do it again" in all its glory.

    They didn't turn them off. They know perfectly well that Oreshnik won't fly anywhere in Europe.
    Since there are no hints of that - all the kids are there, resources and finances are still being transferred there - why would they hit their own? This isn't Voronezh...
  6. +5
    23 November 2024 06: 44
    Or the third option - they hit us with what they had. I believe in this, because in the Strategic Missile Forces we still have enough specialists of the highest category

    And what was adopted yesterday then? Perhaps the author was a little hasty with his conclusions.
  7. Msi
    +1
    23 November 2024 07: 20
    I read the article. I liked the photo to the article the most... good
    Such a cute Oreshek and the locals run away after the warning...
  8. +5
    23 November 2024 07: 25
    What the West will think is secondary. We, as a whole, do not so much think as observe what is happening to us.
  9. 0
    23 November 2024 07: 49
    I just caught the pencil at the right moment... :)))
  10. +3
    23 November 2024 07: 50
    After all, old man A. Capone was right when he spoke about the effectiveness of a kind word and a pistol.
  11. +1
    23 November 2024 07: 56
    Well, you position yourselves as "specialists and experts". What to the Moon, an intercontinental rocket! Study the material, or Yandex will help you with the classification and purpose of rockets. There are five classes of rockets:
    earth-earth;
    ground-to-air;
    air-ground;
    air-to-air;
    air-surface.
    In turn, there are different types of surface-to-surface missiles:
    by flight path - ballistic and winged;
    by purpose - tactical, operational-tactical and strategic;
    by range. Well, this is simplified and primitive, for understanding by "local experts"
    Next is a quote from Lavrov, which the admin considers an insult, but reflects the essence of "VO specialists and experts"
    "Oreshnik" is a medium-range ballistic missile, similar to the USSR RSD-10, R-5, R-12 and R-14;
    USA - PGM-17 Thor, Pershing-2
    UK - PGM-17 Thor
    France - S2, S3
    China - Dongfeng-3(A)
  12. BAI
    +1
    23 November 2024 08: 09
    1.
    If it hits the Rheinmetall plants, it will be unpleasant. It is not necessary to send such a gift to Dusseldorf, although it will be much easier to aim at Dusseldorf than at Dnepropetrovsk. For example, it could hit the city of Unterluss, which is in Northern Saxony. And destroy the shell factory.

    Rheinmetall is already in Ukraine
    2.
    The Patriots have nothing to do here, and THAAD, as you understand, no one will give Ukraine.

    They will give
    3. As long as it arrives in Ukraine and not in Europe, no one there will think about anything, especially in the US
  13. +7
    23 November 2024 08: 14
    How much hope was there for the "Dagger", "Zircon", "Caliber" and what? One infantry is exhausted liberating Ukraine. The praises have been sung, awards will be presented. And then what? "Oreshnik" is an excellent weapon, and most importantly, it is ecologically clean and radioactive. It is necessary to strike with regiments (a regiment has about 10 missiles) or even a division (50-100 missiles)
    And in combination with aviation, tanks, and infantry, so that breakthroughs would be 300-500 km.
    If you really want to, then warn the residents of Lviv about the attack through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs or State Services and demolish the glorious city of Lviv. Everything in a complex, let Europe itself decide whether this technology will suit them or not. soldier
  14. -2
    23 November 2024 08: 43
    Quote: V.
    How much hope was there for the "Dagger", "Zircon", "Caliber" and what? One infantry is exhausted liberating Ukraine. The praises have been sung, awards will be presented. And then what? "Oreshnik" is an excellent weapon, and most importantly, it is ecologically clean and radioactive. It is necessary to strike with regiments (a regiment has about 10 missiles) or even a division (50-100 missiles)
    And in combination with aviation, tanks, and infantry, so that breakthroughs would be 300-500 km.
    If you really want to, then warn the residents of Lviv about the attack through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs or State Services and demolish the glorious city of Lviv. Everything in a complex, let Europe itself decide whether this technology will suit them or not.

    Decided to strike? Go ahead - commit villainy! What are you waiting for?
    1. +1
      23 November 2024 13: 32
      This is not villainy on our part, but rather a bringing to the senses of objective reality of some inadequate characters who got too carried away with the war and believed in their own inviolability, impunity and permissiveness.
  15. 0
    23 November 2024 08: 56
    I agree with the author that it's time for the "West" to start thinking with its head, otherwise it could get hit in the soft spot and in the face.
  16. +3
    23 November 2024 10: 28
    “Everyone was very interested in Oreshnik because of the interesting Soviet tradition of naming rocket launchers after plants

    For me, the name is fine.
    Brooms are made from hazel.
    They sweep away trash with brooms.
    Here our "Nut" will sweep the Earth of garbage. what Yes fellow lol
    In general, the spectacle of using the "hazelnut" is captivating, as if fiery arrows were being driven into the ground.
    I would just watch and watch them fall. lol
    1. 0
      26 November 2024 13: 20
      When I first heard about "Oreshnik", for some reason I immediately remembered a phrase from a poem by E. Uspesky
      "... To the nearest hazel grove
      For a new broom."
  17. +1
    23 November 2024 10: 52
    The troops were scheduled to replace Topols with Yars. I don't think that Topols were to be destroyed, most likely they were stored. I saw an opinion on one forum that if warheads were installed instead of the fourth stage of the Topol, then firstly, the Topol's flight range would seriously decrease, and it would possibly turn into a medium-range missile. Secondly, the Topol carried four nuclear warheads, and in the pictures we saw six packages of four warheads. If this is true, then they acted very thriftily. However, there is one drawback. There may not be any more facilities like Yuzhmash. And for other purposes, 24 warheads would be excessive. What is needed is a small, very mobile missile with one warhead, to hit small and medium targets. And one more remark in favor of Topols. It is already known that Oreshnik went into space, and the Americans have a rocket with gas rudders in the Patriot to shoot down warheads precisely in the space portion of the flight, at a speed of no more than 4 Machs. Topol really went into space, and subsequent missiles, starting with Bulava, fly along a flat trajectory, without going into space, that is, at altitudes from 80 to 100 km. So maybe Oreshnik really is a modernized Topol?
  18. +3
    23 November 2024 11: 18
    It's hard to believe, actually. We can't bring an airplane engine up to standard in ten years, and here we have an ICBM
    Author, these issues are handled by completely different companies. They are not even part of the cooperation on these products. So the situation at one can affect the work at another?
    Or the third option - they hit us with what they had. I believe in this, because in the Strategic Missile Forces we still have enough specialists of the highest category who are able to recalculate the trajectory of a missile practically "for themselves" - with ranges from 5 to 10 thousand kilometers, these 800 km from KapYar to Dnepropetrovsk - consider dropping them under your feet
    Missiles have not only a maximum but also a minimum range (sub-ballistic curve), so it is impossible to fire an ICBM from Astrakhan at Dnepropetrovsk, no matter how you calculate it.
  19. 0
    23 November 2024 11: 50
    Roman, I agree with you 100%! Yes
  20. +3
    23 November 2024 11: 59
    Scholz (who, according to our information, has a small interest in the form of shares in the Rheinmetall concern)

    I have already suggested and I repeat that it would be better to dispose of the “Rheinmetall candle factory” in western Ukraine.
    It would be more effective.
    1. 0
      23 November 2024 13: 36
      So this is not the end, to be continued!!!
  21. 0
    23 November 2024 13: 54
    Quote: sgrabik
    This is not villainy on our part, but rather a bringing to the senses of objective reality of some inadequate characters who have become too carried away in playing the war and have come to believe in their own inviolability, impunity and permissiveness.

    Quote: sgrabik
    This is not villainy on our part, but rather a bringing to the senses of objective reality of some inadequate characters who got too carried away with the war and believed in their own inviolability, impunity and permissiveness.

    Well, let's say Zelensky has already been brought to his senses. He has stopped resisting. He is ready to capitulate. And who will you shoot at next?
    1. 0
      25 November 2024 10: 10
      So far, Zelensky's behavior does not show that he has really been brought to his senses and is ready for complete and unconditional capitulation, rather the opposite, as is well known, a cornered rat always attacks its offender, the same thing is happening with Zelensky, judging by his actions, he has lost his last sanity and adequacy.
  22. +1
    23 November 2024 14: 41
    The materials provided by the author are very interesting - the article is written very competently and at a high artistic level - you want to reread it, bravo author.
  23. +4
    23 November 2024 16: 28
    Well, now is it finally possible to destroy the bridges across the Dnieper with hazel or will they all stand as before, and our soldiers will root out the enemy army, supplied with everything necessary? Or is it possible to cut off eastern Ukraine from supplies of diesel fuel and shells?
    1. +3
      23 November 2024 17: 04
      Well, did the hazel fly over the bridges or through the Beskid tunnel? That's basically the answer to your question.
  24. +3
    23 November 2024 17: 02
    Well, we can all be congratulated on the fact that we have now seen something that previous generations did not even dare to think about. We have seen the use of something that was previously considered taboo and a weapon of the last days of mankind - the intercontinental ballistic missile.

    Roma, I don't know what surprised you, but we were surprised by an ordinary ballistic missile, not an ICBM, which was launched after warning NATO countries and Ukraine, and with empty warheads without explosives at the ruins of the Yuzhmash plant... We saw wild cries of hurray for propaganda about this, and outright laughter from NATO and Ukraine over our red lines
  25. +1
    23 November 2024 17: 03
    Still, they made a great neural network "Roman Scoromohoff" this network generates and prints texts on any topic at any time of the day or night, I've already lost count, sometimes it's aviation, sometimes submarines, then immediately land weapons, its productivity is crazy, I don't have time to read what it prints, it's just a pity that the articles of this neural network do not carry any useful information.
  26. +2
    23 November 2024 17: 47
    Author, are you aware of what is done at least a day before the use of an ICBM? Well, no, it is not an ICBM. We have engines for RSDs and it will not be difficult to make an RSD in a year or two, having the developments of an ICBM.
    By the way, we left the Treaty 4 years ago, and the fact that it would fail became clear 19 years ago.
  27. 0
    23 November 2024 18: 40
    Quote: BAT-MENT
    Beskai tunnel.

    Beskydy Tunnel.
  28. +2
    23 November 2024 19: 18
    If we attack Ukraine, then we will cut down the nuclear power plants on the right bank of the Dnieper, Bankova and Lvov, if we attack totally, then: all bridges across the Dnieper, airfields - in general, according to the classics. In Europe, in my opinion, there are two worthy targets - the SSBN bases of France and Great Britain and the storage facilities of their SSBNs.
  29. +2
    23 November 2024 19: 56
    The ruins of Yuzhmash are a bit different (c) The ruins of London are exactly that, and Washington would applaud these ruins. They would probably have had a three-day drinking binge there. So, again about Yuzhmash, well, it's like from Shoigu, let's bomb Voronezh instead of London, there are no OURS there. Don't put off until later what can be done today. Proverb. Thieves and murderers understand only a spring to the head with a fatal outcome. That's when the world immediately becomes multipolar and balanced. So, guys, do as you wish, but again you've simply spoiled the air. P.S. It is London that is behind the Maidans, these scumbags are generally behind all the wars on the borders of Russia, the Caucasus, Asia, the Baltics, outside. Maybe that's enough?? Maybe it's time to put a PERIOD??!! Or again, in a couple of generations, ask our grandchildren for forgiveness for not crushing the bastard, that Putin is to blame, that he was too embarrassed to press the button??
  30. +2
    23 November 2024 20: 01
    Where is the solution for the 12 bridges across the Dnieper? After all, these are the veins of military logistics of the Outskirts. Yuzhmash is good, but the real help that comes to the "cyborgs" on the left bank is dragged across these bridges. I do not believe that we do not have the means to finish this movement.
  31. 0
    23 November 2024 20: 21
    About a year ago I wrote about the need to strike Western Ukraine with TNW or a missile with an ODBC, while warning the population that it would cause panic. Then I received a lot of downvotes, I wrote that the West could help Ukraine create nuclear weapons, I was not the only one who wrote this, Karaganov and many others also spoke about it. I think we need to start with Ukraine, which is a warring party, if there are no communications in Western Ukraine, then the weapons will not reach the troops. This means there will be fewer deaths. It is more dangerous to deliver cargo to targeted areas. I am waiting for reports on the results of the use of Oreshnik, what will be the opinions of eyewitnesses.
  32. 0
    23 November 2024 22: 34
    Oh, our author is an expert in everything, both in rockets and airplanes? Not everything is so easy and simple with the engine, there are all sorts of notorious norms with the military, both here and in the West, for all this green mold, and everything military is taken out of brackets. Or is the author so eager to belittle modern Russia that he just can't bear it?
  33. 0
    23 November 2024 22: 59
    Is it really not clear that without a political solution on Ukraine the world will slide into a Nuclear War? Russia needs to make a political move, to give everyone a definition of who Russia is in the SVO in Ukraine. Russia needs to issue a legal document (decree, law, resolution) which will state that the entire territory of Ukraine, within the 1975 borders, is an integral part of Russia. The existence of such a document is already a political victory over NATO, over Kiev. Then there will be no need to bang, turning everyone into dust. Take an example from China.
  34. -1
    24 November 2024 00: 48
    Although, of course, the whole of Europe will have to be beaten to death, starting with our former Warsaw Pact allies.

    Thunderous applause from the US/UK sector.
    Their goal was precisely our destruction in a war with NATO and Japan.
    The author does not propose to threaten the Boss of NATO to force him to abandon war, as the USSR did in 1962. Preventing war is "not an option" for the author.
    He needs to pit Russia against NATO, which coincides with the US/UK goal.
    Who do you work for, Roman?
  35. +1
    24 November 2024 02: 21
    I strongly advise against hitting NATO countries with either hazel or deadwood. There is no such quantity of hazel that would somehow influence the course of this conflict, even in Ukraine. There should be thousands of such hazel trees, then they would have at least some military significance, but there are not and will not be such quantities. It is not a specific type of weapon that wins a war, but the totality of military and industrial potential. In a direct confrontation, Russia does not have a single chance against NATO countries, except for the chance of mutual total destruction.
  36. -2
    24 November 2024 02: 26
    First of all, the hotheads in Russia should cool down. Strikes on the territories of NATO countries will lead to unpredictable negative consequences for Russia. All the hazelnuts together with calibers, zircons and daggers will not be enough even to completely suppress the resistance of 404, not to mention the NATO forces in Europe, not to mention the forces of the United States and its allies around the world. Now Russia needs to somehow quietly get by for 2 months until Trump comes to power and then negotiate a truce with him.
    1. +3
      24 November 2024 04: 02
      You have to be naive to expect the arrival of a kind uncle. US presidents do not decide anything, but those who stand aside and manage all this decide. Morgans, Rockefellers and the like.
  37. +1
    24 November 2024 03: 56
    Well, what can I say after reading: Russia has no friends in the West and there won't be any for the next 50, or maybe 100 years. Based on this, we need to draw conclusions.
    1. +1
      24 November 2024 17: 22
      Russia has been hated in the West since the time of A. Nevsky, even earlier, and that was in 1242, that is, 782 years, so it is high time to stop looking for friends there. We need to look for trade partners, based on the fact that the West without our metal, oil, timber and gas will quickly lose its attractiveness.
  38. +1
    24 November 2024 09: 02
    I haven't read such nonsense about ICBMs in a long time. Author, do you at least know that an ICBM has a minimum firing range, which is measured in several thousand kilometers, and this minimum range is called the "active section of the trajectory"?
  39. +1
    24 November 2024 11: 11
    It is enough to destroy a couple of hundred people, representatives of the Western elites who provoke wars and conflicts around the world, for everything to stop. For this, you can use not only ICBMs, there are many other ways.
  40. -1
    24 November 2024 15: 54
    [quote=Lekha from Android.]One blow from Oreshnik on Yuzhmash is clearly not enough...the enemy has not learned the lesson.
    [quote]The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) fired 11 HIMARS missiles and one guided aerial bomb at the Baryatinsky princely estate[/quote]

    Let's see how things develop. The future is unpredictable.
  41. -1
    24 November 2024 15: 56
    Quote: sgrabik
    I don't think so, this version is most likely a fabrication, promoted by the CIPSOT, knowing exactly the range of enemy missiles, ours are not so stupid as to expose themselves so stupidly.


    Like, some stupid (!) Ukrainians are sitting and making a decision:
    - How about we have some Champagne?
    - No, then it would be better to do it in Burgundy!
    - Personally, I would hit Cognac.
    - What is it that has drawn you, gentlemen generals, to France? Let's get back to compiling a menu of Russian targets.
    - According to Baryatinsky?
    - What's there?
    - Nothing. Who's for?
    2) Tell me why they hit the empty estate with an expensive missile? Your version is very interesting!
  42. +2
    24 November 2024 16: 06
    Don't overestimate the fact of skidding. Although the fact that our product was combat-ready is definitely a "plus".
    It flew to the wrong place and to no one, to whom and where it was needed. In the West, no one will be overly excited about this - because the gentlemen Saxons knew what we were developing and shook the air about it more than once. Perhaps they did not know the details - but you can't hide an awl in a sack, as well as tests and large-scale cooperative activity within the military-industrial complex. What we can use - I suppose they also guessed - I think they have long ago collected plump folders with the overwhelming majority of options for our responses to their soft penetrations under our red lines. Analysts in the West are not in vain slurping up their cabbage soup, and while our analysts mainly suck at words and languid glances, they also chew over available material as well as the psychological habits of the elites in the process of forecasting.

    Perhaps the fact that THIS particular answer option was at the top of the list could have surprised me a little. But I have no doubt that they had assessed this option in advance. The VO itself published articles on the possibility of using the INF Treaty in the current conflict - the Western logic of the exp. community followed the same path.

    And to the question - will they be afraid? Doubt. The moment was not chosen well - a change of administrations in the USA with very difficult relations. Those who might understand are not yet in power - those who are in power might not want to understand.
    1. +2
      25 November 2024 14: 13
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      And to the question - will they be afraid? Doubt.

      Your prophecy has come true. Another attack on the Kursk region with cassette ATACMS has already taken place.
      1. +2
        25 November 2024 17: 55
        The West MAY be afraid of us (as we want it to be) only if we form some REAL alternative to its (Western) rules and some real architectural model, alternative to the Western one. Our terrible weapons scare the West to a small degree because they understand that a nuclear war is the last thing our elites would want. Even, probably, ours would want it even less than the Western ones, who have at least a rough idea of ​​how to conditionally "win" in such a war and have a real global presence and architecture, and not some former greatness.

        You can wave a knife and build a Kabuki theater as much as you like - if the enemy knows you and is sure that you will not really attack or do something capital, for him it will be an empty sound or something like that. Within the escalation framework, the real "red lines" are somewhere around the real threat from Western weapons to the physical life of our elites and between the integrity of capital movable property (tankers, gas carriers, container ships, etc.). Perhaps these are also some resonant massive strikes on residential areas of the titular cities of the Russian Federation.
        It is also possible that these are some kind of massive or excessively systemic impacts on key early warning and missile defense infrastructure or, again, massive systemic impacts against civil aviation.

        Personally, I see real "red lines" in approximately these borders. If Ukraine (and through it the West) crosses these lines, then something really major will happen on our part. They understand this and, therefore, they periodically remind us of this, that, supposedly, we can. But this does not have a strong targeted effect.
        We are also playing a certain form of this - but (for now) in relation to Ukraine - we are also showing that we can do more. However, it is not entirely clear to me what we want to achieve with such a strategy - what the West wants is clear. We are being held within the framework of what is causing damage to us and at the same time tying our hands in that the damage may be greater and the escalation greater. Within this framework, they are exerting maximum influence, remaining in a sub-critical configuration and therefore without consequences (for the West).
        We, by repeating a similar approach (in relation to Ukraine) at the current stage, in my opinion, are only giving them extra time to adapt and extra hopes for their elites that time might work in their favor.
  43. +2
    25 November 2024 06: 45
    We have preserved adits in Chukotka where the Pioneers were stationed. We can restore this military unit and bring these missiles here. They will reach Los Angeles, Denver and other states like Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, and most importantly - Montana.
    1. 0
      25 November 2024 10: 27
      I hope that this option is already being seriously considered by our Ministry of Defense, because it is extremely stupid and reckless not to foresee possible scenarios; now we need to be prepared for almost anything, without any exceptions.
  44. +2
    25 November 2024 14: 10
    The article is very pathos-filled, the enemy is literally defeated, and victory is coming tomorrow. In general, as usual with R. Skomorokhov.
    Meanwhile, today ATACMS again flew in Kursk region, to Khalino airfield. Apparently Oreshnik did not scare anyone.
  45. -1
    27 November 2024 03: 08
    ...The situation itself is strange: all of Europe provides weapons, but why is only Ukraine paying for it?... I can guess that they are preparing to wipe Ukraine off the face of the Earth, as well as the people of Ukraine. And this empty space will be given to the Jews from the so-called state called Israel, they are sick and tired of the Arabs, well, they just won’t let them rob them, they always snap back in a nasty and painful way. And the Ukrainians themselves can’t get it into their heads what their future fate will be: they were Ukrainians - and then they disappeared. Their little Jew from the neighboring 95th block has all the plans for a new state. Many leaders of states have already tried on Jewish caps and hats. That’s the kind of story that could happen. Everyone in the world is striving for the golden billion, as the satirist said, however!
  46. +1
    27 November 2024 12: 50
    Oh!
    Someone is already clearly celebrating the victory.
    "virtual"

    Instead of the cheaper Kalibr or Kinzhal (which shoot right through Ukraine anyway), they fired an expensive intercontinental missile. Without a warhead. And?

    and before they could hit with the same ICBMs.

    IMHO, they just added fuel to the arms race. The West didn't want to get involved for a long time, ignoring "3000 Armatas", "unkillable Kalibr, Kinzhal and Bulava", Terminators, Su-75, 57, Uran, Peresvet, Solntsepek and Poseidon.

    But it had to be done. And with much creaking, but rivers of gold began to flow into the Western military-industrial complex.
    A new arms race. And it will be just as difficult to stop now. These are rivers of gold into the pockets of oligarchs, bankers, industrialists. Every year they report on the growth of oligarchs' fortunes.

    And for the simple ones - pictures of pigs running away (although VVP called their people Russians, but apparently, it's not a pity, they're not Kumy). And the wild rise in the cost of living
  47. 0
    28 November 2024 15: 42
    Oreshnik's strike on Yuzhmash was a test! It is necessary to hit hard and right now, and then repeat a couple more times. The strikes must be massive and very destructive (2 strikes on 3 Oreshniks). Now is the very turning point and it cannot be missed.
  48. 0
    28 November 2024 19: 09
    How can you build a new rocket on a nyakvo zabutano Bulgarian village located in the TOPOLovgrad region? am