"Oreshnik" - a new medicine for oligophrenia and megalomania

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"Oreshnik" - a new medicine for oligophrenia and megalomania

The events of November 21 made an indelible impression on the world community, Western media are teeming with panicked articles. In a nutshell, the meaning of all these publications comes down to the following phrase from Leonid Gaidai's brilliant work:

"Boss, everything is lost! The cast is being removed, the client is leaving!"

Here are the first reports from theaviationist.com:



"Ukraine claims Russia used an ICBM to strike the Dnieper; other Western sources claim it was a 'new' ballistic missile Rocket. On the morning of Thursday, November 21, 2024, the Ukrainian Air Force (UAF) announced that Russia had launched what was believed to be an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) towards Ukraine. According to the Ukrainian Air Force, the missile was aimed at the Dnieper region, about 450 km from Kyiv. It was tracked along with six other missiles, all launched within a two-hour period starting at about 5 a.m. Of these, only the ICBM was said to have hit its target, with the other six intercepted and shot down in transit. The Ukrainian Air Force did not specify the type of ICBM allegedly used, but said Ukraine was conducting research to determine its characteristics. This claim has not yet been independently verified. Several clips have been posted online, all of which clearly show multiple MIRVs (multiple independently targetable reentry vehicles) hitting a target area said to be the headquarters of a Ukrainian aerospace company. A MIRV is a system used in some ICBMs that allows a single missile to carry multiple warheads. Each of these warheads can be aimed at a different target, making the missile capable of hitting multiple locations in a single launch. Imagine a missile carrying multiple small packages, each with its own delivery address, allowing for greater efficiency and increased destructive potential.

In this case, these were probably inert warheads powered by kinetic energy, or very small conventional warheads, since there is no visible explosion."

Polish publication defence24.pl October 21:

"According to the Ukrainian authorities, Russia has inflicted the first stories intercontinental ballistic missile strike in combat conditions, although some reports indicate weapon medium-range. A Russian missile with a conventional payload hit the city of Dnepr. The use of this class of missiles has implications at the political, strategic and operational levels."

Poles from defence24.pl later, already in the evening of the same day, UPDATE 20:43:

"According to the Pentagon, the new missile is based on the RS-26 Rubezh, an earlier missile classified by some experts as an intercontinental ballistic missile (IRBM) and by others as a medium-range ballistic missile (IRBM). The missile, which the Russians called "Oreshnik" in Vladimir Putin's speech, was designated by the Pentagon as a medium-range ballistic missile system (MRBM).

According to the Americans, the missile was a modification of the RS-26 Rubezh, a medium-range missile (BRSM). However, the thesis about the RS-26 that I initially put forward was not far from the truth."

— Jakub Palowski, November 21, 2024

Jakub Palowski from defence24.pl further writes:

"First of all, it should be stated that at this stage the situation can be assessed with a high probability, but not with certainty. This is due to the ongoing information war and the dynamics of the war itself. Information about the use of an intercontinental ballistic missile by the Russians is contained in an official statement by the Ukrainian Air Force. It was supposed to be launched near the city of Astrakhan (or from the Kapustin Yar test site) and hit a target in the city of Dnepr. This means a flight of approximately 800 to 1000 km. This is significantly less than the typical range of intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), which is usually more than 5,5 thousand kilometers. This is also - if the reports of the use of this class of weapons are confirmed - the first time an intercontinental missile (ICBM) was used in combat. As a rule, such weapons are considered strategic and are used as a carrier of nuclear charges, so the superpowers, even if they took military action, did not decide to use them.

A conventional payload was used, and most likely in large quantities. This indicates a missile with multiple warheads, typical of strategic weapons. The effects of the strike are unknown, although it is speculated that the target was the Ukrainian defense industry enterprise Yuzhmash. The warheads could have been high explosive or kinetic. The kinetic energy of warheads flying at several thousand meters per second (several km/s) can in itself cause significant damage (if the accuracy is maintained). Video footage of the strike appears, but has not yet been verified.

An alternative for the Russians could be to use a medium-range ballistic missile (MRBM) such as the RS-26 Rubezh, however… previously formally called an intercontinental ballistic missile, a Korean or Iranian MRBM class missile – or a rebuilt, previously decommissioned older generation ICBM, which currently also meets the parameters of the ICBM class.

New footage shows a wider view of the strikes in Dnepr this morning."


The RS-26 Rubezh (SS-X-31) (15Zh67 missile) is a strategic missile system with a limited intercontinental range of 2000-6000 km. The system was developed by the Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering (MIT) as part of the Avangard program for the Rubezh R&D project since 2006.

In essence, the complex is a PGRK with an ICBM on a lightweight APU, made on a six-axle chassis MZKT-79291 of the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant with a shortened missile without the third stage 15Zh55M of the RS-24 Yars complex. The launch weight of the product is 36 tons. RS-26 Rubezh is an RSD-10 Pioneer on a modern technological base. The throw-in weight of the RS-24 ICBM (15Zh55M) is 1250-1400 kg, depending on the combat equipment. This includes the weight of six warheads with low-power thermonuclear charges of 150-250 kt, weighing 100 kg each, or three to four warheads with medium-power thermonuclear charges of 500 kt, weighing 230-270 kg each. All BBs are placed on six cells of the F655 breeding unit platform with landing baskets of 400 and 600 mm diameter, respectively. The weight of the breeding unit with the LRE DU with a reserve of fuel (Heptyl-asymmetric dimethylhydrazine) and oxidizer (Amyl-nitrogen tetroxide) is about 650 kg (all technical and digital information is taken from the open press or is calculated and the author's assumptions).

The 15Zh67 missile of the RS-26 Rubezh complex has similar combat equipment, I would even say it is absolutely identical, the same can be said about the Bulava product. Obviously, the Oreshnik complex is a conventional version of the RS-26 Rubezh complex. The combat launch on November 21 took Western experts by surprise, such a technically complex weapon does not appear suddenly. Its appearance should, in any case, be preceded by a fairly long R & D, then a test series of test launches, about which we had to notify the Americans. Moreover, according to the agreements concluded back in 1973-1979, OSV-1/2, it is prohibited to encode telemetry information from missiles during test launches. Up to 10 years for everything. "Rubezh" was tested from September 27, 2011 to March 15, 2015, during which time 5 test launches were conducted - all successful. Only new combat equipment had to be made for the "Oreshnik" complex. That is, all stages - birth, testing, formation - the missile has long since passed.


Video and photographic footage from cameras in Dnepropetrovsk paints a compelling picture, clearly showing six packets opening at an altitude of about 100 km; each packet-cassette contains six tungsten (or a tungsten-based alloy) feathered rods, resembling a significantly enlarged tank BOPS. The weight of each rod ("Lom") is from 40 kg to 50 kg, in a package of six such "Loms" correspond to the weight of a standard nuclear BB of medium power class. From the video it is clear that between the entry of the first package and the last, sixth, a fairly long time passed - 9 seconds. From this we can draw obvious conclusions - the flight took place according to the classic flight program of ICBM/IRBM, the separation of BB/packets occurred at altitudes from the end of the OUT (200 km) to the exit of the missile to Apogee, for a missile of this class it is 800 km. The flight time of the missile to the maximum range of 6000 km is 21,8 minutes.

The President gave some information, in particular on the missile speed – 2,5-3 km/s. This is the final speed, immediately before entering the target. But this information gives practically nothing except the kinetic energy of the Lomov – 200 MJ, quite sufficient to penetrate medium-density soil by 30 meters or break through reinforced concrete floors up to 12 meters thick.

If we believe the Western media, "Prosrochenny" has already asked "Khozyain" for THAAD systems, but here he is in for an ambush. The fact is that THAAD is designed to intercept IRBM warheads with a range of up to 3500 km, and these are the speeds at the THAAD system's interception limits: lower - 100 km - no more than 3,5 km / sec, upper - 150 km - no more than 4,5 km / sec. At these altitudes, "Oreshnik" has 5,6 km / sec and 6,0 km / sec, respectively, these speeds are more important as information. THAAD is absolutely useless in this case. If we ask for GBI anti-missiles and SNR for them. True, to intercept one "Oreshnik" we will need at least 12 GBI anti-missiles, each costing $ 200 million. Well, "you don't get punched in the face for asking." If he asks nicely, maybe they'll give it to him. They'll build a silo for them somewhere in Poland, deploy a radar, most likely, there, and it'll take about 10 years.

I'm already in my article Nuclear war in Europe: conceivable or “unthinkable” wrote about the need to deploy the RS-26 Rubezh/Oreshnik complex with the 15Zh67 (SS-X-31) missile in nuclear and non-nuclear warheads (approximately equally), and proposed to begin serial production, deploy at least 10 missile regiments armed with these complexes (90 PU) in the European part of Russia. Well, it seems they heard - and thank God.
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  1. +6
    27 November 2024 04: 49
    Unfortunately, Biden and his clique are confident that Putin will not use Oreshnik on NATO.
    The Pentagon confirmed permission to attack Russia with its long-range missiles...our GC was late in demonstrating the capabilities of Oreshnik.
    So I expect further attacks on our military installations deep inside Russia.
    After two months of these attacks on our country, we will see if Trump and his administration continue this practice.
    The Americans and the French have already successfully carried out two strikes on our targets.
    1. +11
      27 November 2024 05: 02
      "Oreshnik" - a new medicine for oligophrenia and megalomania
      Yes, it seems that no one cares about this "medicine", the rockets are still flying.
      1. +8
        27 November 2024 05: 21
        This is not the first article on this subject, but no one has published any pictures of the strike's results. And I haven't read much about the panic in the West, but I wasn't particularly upset. On our stock exchange, that's where the panic will soon begin.
        1. -1
          27 November 2024 07: 13
          Specially for ASSAD1: check out the weather forecast for Dnepropetrovsk
          1. +7
            27 November 2024 08: 59
            Then what vegetable can we use to claim that there has been enormous destruction?
            1. -1
              28 November 2024 15: 28
              I'm talking about the impossibility of providing aerial photographs due to the weather. The rest is not for me.
      2. -3
        27 November 2024 14: 06
        Yes, it seems that no one cares about this "medicine", the rockets are still flying.

        Where are they flying? What rockets?
  2. +1
    27 November 2024 05: 17
    Now if they had hit a target somewhere in Poland, or even better - Britain, then maybe someone would have sobered up. But as it is, it's not even funny...
  3. +5
    27 November 2024 05: 17
    50 kg for TNW is not bad. But otherwise it is just a 6-inch armor-piercing shell. With incomparable accuracy. You shouldn't expect any miraculous destruction from such a blank.
    1. +2
      27 November 2024 06: 18
      Quote: Tlauicol
      You shouldn't expect any miraculous destruction from such a blank.
      This is just a demonstration of strength and capabilities, rather than a successful military operation. To show that there is still gunpowder in the powder flasks.
      1. +7
        27 November 2024 07: 06
        Any Iskander Kalibr xxx missile has exactly the same capabilities - the ability to carry a Yabch. Hundreds of them have already been used, and no one was afraid of a nuclear strike.
        And the hazel without apples can't even compare with the caliber. They are not afraid. They know that there will be no nuclear strike.
        1. +2
          27 November 2024 10: 40
          Quote: Tlauicol
          any Iskander Kalibr xxx missiles have exactly the same capabilities - the ability to carry a yabch
          The capabilities are the same, only the Hazelnut has three separating warheads.
          1. -1
            27 November 2024 14: 09
            Only the Hazelnut has three separating head parts

            Six.
            And there is a fundamental difference.
            И Ukrainians and the zombified gay-Europeans believe in the interception of calibers and even iskanders, but the interception of the hazel is still impossible even theoretically.
            1. 0
              28 November 2024 16: 08
              Both Ukrainians and zombified gay-Europeans believe in the interception of Kalibres and even Iskanders

              Dude, the Kalibr is a subsonic cruise missile, meaning it flies at the same speed as civilian aircraft, only near the ground. And it shoots down short-range air defense systems with ease. Even with a MANPADS, it's like shooting down a low-flying attack aircraft. Only the time window is short. You need to make it.

              Iskander is clearly more difficult to shoot down, but the missile body is ancient, metal. And the radar-absorbing paint is not popular. (But judging by the pictures of the missile debris from Karabakh published by Azerbaijan, all the radar-absorbing paint burns out from overheating as soon as the missile channel generator burns out)
              Patriot Pack 3 is quite possible.
          2. +2
            27 November 2024 16: 03
            Even thirty-three. There won't be a nuclear strike. And they don't care about a missile with an unguided missile and blanks, especially at a cosmic price
      2. +5
        27 November 2024 09: 07
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        This is just a demonstration of strength and capabilities, rather than a successful military operation. To show that there is still gunpowder in the powder flasks.

        The main thing here is not the demonstration, but the will and courage to do what is voiced. The past has shown that there is little behind words. Oreshnik's demonstration is beautiful, but absolutely useless. They immediately responded to this with another blow to us, and so what? The response should not be proportional, but much harsher. And it should have been earlier. Menacing silence is perceived by everyone as weakness, and in fact it is weakness. We are quite capable of stopping Ukrainian nuclear power plants, zeroing out energy and bringing down bridges across the Dnieper without Oreshnik. That would be an answer. But this is only a pretty picture for domestic consumption.
      3. +2
        27 November 2024 19: 28
        It's like if you get punched in the ear in a fight, and you step aside and bang - you're breaking a brick with your fist. You get punched in the other ear - and you're already splitting a concrete block. See what I can do to your head too! And you get punched in the third ear...
  4. +10
    27 November 2024 05: 34
    So they answered that the next day the storms arrived, so they racked their brains, what else to send there, so that the shells would fall? There is nothing to cover and that's all, one blah blah and concern. In three years, not a single tunnel was blown up. Supplies are not coming by air, are they? Send the entire General Staff to the stormtroopers to gain experience, and the thieves to develop the Far East. Let each one develop a hectare of business.
  5. +15
    27 November 2024 06: 02
    And the article doesn't tell how such a miracle rocket will help us with oligophrenia and megalomania =(
    1. 0
      28 November 2024 16: 14
      And the article doesn't tell how such a miracle rocket will help us with oligophrenia and megalomania =(

      Yes, you got it wrong, you read such articles and you will start to develop mental retardation and delusions of grandeur.

      Laughing out loud
  6. +11
    27 November 2024 06: 05
    The events of November 21 made an indelible impression on the world community.

    What are you!
    We thought the Dagger was hypersonic... Then Sarmat, Burevestnik, Poseidon, the new nuclear doctrine...
    And it turns out that it's only Hazelnut...

    Maybe you should stop writing all this nonsense like it's for elementary school?
  7. +3
    27 November 2024 06: 56
    Two points: the shot from the "Oreshnik" and the absence of any hints of recalling embassies and Russian citizens from "unfriendly" countries, which would be a sign of intentions. A scare tactic and at the same time a signal-guarantee of non-use of the threat by real action in the current situation.
    1. +4
      27 November 2024 08: 43
      A scare tactic or a demonstration of capabilities? Most likely both. Further, as they say, if you take out a gun, shoot. If you don't intend to use it, don't take it out.
    2. +9
      27 November 2024 09: 15
      The only thing that can really scare the West is a mass evacuation of the wives and children of our so-called elites from there to their homeland.. That's when things will really go crazy there. But while the families lead a blissful life in those parts, squandering what their husbands and dads honestly stole - who will believe all this menacing clanking of iron? What - will someone allow the guarantor to screw right down to his own blood? It's not funny.
  8. +7
    27 November 2024 07: 17
    But couldn’t “Oreshnik” be used not only for informational and propaganda purposes, but also for practical ones?
    For example, strike at a fortified area of ​​the Ukrainian Armed Forces two or three kilometers from the front line? And then carry out at least a tactical offensive to a depth of 10-15 km?

    And so ours began to intensively create wunderwaffe. Not a good analogy.
    1. 0
      27 November 2024 08: 45
      It is possible of course, but it has no practical sense. There are no targets for such a missile there.
      1. -1
        27 November 2024 10: 19
        So there weren't any at Yuzhmash either, it has already become clear that there is no such terrible destruction, but the psychological effect is very strong
        1. +1
          27 November 2024 16: 11
          It depends on the person, if we talk about the psychological effect. NATO military knew about such missiles and it is unlikely that such a demonstration shocked them, as they say, they have their own. But Western citizens were shocked and alarmed, thus adding a few strokes to the portrait of "aggressive" Russia. Everything depends on the point of view request
    2. +4
      27 November 2024 10: 55
      Quote: avia12005
      For example, strike at a fortified area of ​​the Ukrainian Armed Forces two or three kilometers from the front line?

      Using a missile with a range of several thousand kilometers as an analogue of conventional shells? The world has never seen such a waste of resources
      1. -1
        27 November 2024 13: 44
        And to use such a missile for propaganda purposes is like belay
        1. +1
          27 November 2024 14: 11
          And to use such a missile for propaganda purposes is like

          Just like the Americans dropped their bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
          And like Khrushchev, the tsar bomb. It could only be used for propaganda purposes. It wouldn't fit on a plane.
          1. 0
            27 November 2024 17: 06
            And like Khrushchev, the tsar bomb. It could only be used for propaganda purposes. It wouldn't fit on a plane.

            But in our time, it is quite possible to attach such a bomb to a strategic missile by removing one stage and making it an INF. You just have to do this scare tactic. Technology allows it.
            1. +2
              27 November 2024 19: 00
              But in our time, it is entirely possible to attach such a bomb to a strategic missile by removing one stage and making it an INF.

              Only in an illiterate brain.
              But this cannot be ATTACHED to any ICBM.
              Why? For a thousand reasons.
              Well, starting with such obvious ones as shifting the center of gravity and, as a consequence, changing the ballistics or changing the loads on the rocket body and, as a consequence, redesigning the power frame.
              And ending with those that you are not supposed to know about.
              1. 0
                27 November 2024 19: 43
                But this cannot be ATTACHED to any ICBM.

                shifting the center of gravity and, as a consequence, changing the ballistics or changing the loads on the rocket body and, as a consequence, redesigning the power frame.
                You apparently think that rocket scientists redesign each Soyuz for each load, and one step to the left - one step to the right - an accident, because everything was considered on the verge of destruction of the hull?
                And in today's times, it's easier to drop it in a cargo container from a dry cargo ship somewhere near New York and leave it there waiting for a signal.
                1. 0
                  28 November 2024 13: 46
                  You apparently think that rocket scientists redesign each union for each load

                  No, because, unlike you, I know that the Soyuz launch vehicle, just like Soyuz 2, was IMMEDIATELY developed for launching Soyuz ships and satellites of the same size and mass as the Cosmos stations.
                  But think about it, why don’t they launch Soyuz ships with protons?
                  We still have a supply of them.
                  Attached the Soyuz to the Proton and flew. laughing
                  1. 0
                    28 November 2024 14: 19
                    carrier rocket
                    On space forums, this triggers streams of furious trolling and bullying laughing
                    just like Soyuz 2 was IMMEDIATELY developed for launching Soyuz ships and satellites in the same size and mass as the Cosmos stations.
                    and of course no one has ever launched anything other than the satellites mentioned. The bourgeoisie asks - but we don't, not in the Union's dimensions
                    Why don't Soyuz ships launch with proton-M?
                    probably for the same reason why orders from Yandex-food are not delivered by trucks?
                    In general, your knowledge about rockets is extremely depressing, but there are a ton of conclusions
        2. -1
          27 November 2024 16: 18
          It was not used for propaganda purposes, but to demonstrate the possibilities, like we can show Kuzkin's mother. They should also knock on the podium with a bast shoe (galosh) for greater persuasiveness, but that will be in the next warning.
  9. -1
    27 November 2024 07: 34
    It turns out that we made medium-range missiles like the Americans, they just didn't show them off, which is very encouraging, it means not all the eggheads are sitting at the top. Now they're just playing around, making clever moves.
  10. BAI
    +7
    27 November 2024 07: 57
    Nothing made an impression there. There was talk of handing over Tomahawks and nuclear weapons to Ukraine.
    So they will be there soon. Fear of non-nuclear exchanges has made nuclear war inevitable.
    1. +7
      27 November 2024 09: 58
      "nuclear war has become inevitable"
      the forecast is, of course, very optimistic, I would not like this to happen in reality. the use of nuclear weapons by the Russian Armed Forces in this situation is a sign of the inability or unwillingness to wage war with conventional weapons. nuclear weapons are weapons of the last strike, and they should be used only as a last resort, when it is impossible to save the country and the army by conventional means. now is not the case. the inability and unwillingness to fight is the main reason for our success in our. maybe we should start using what we have correctly? after all, a lot of tasty things have still been preserved as a legacy of the Soviet Union, and we can cope without hazelnuts, if only there was desire and skill. but this is not observed. and, by the way, in a nuclear war you also need to know how to fight, do we have separate people specially trained for a nuclear war sitting in special offices and waiting to be used? I don't think so. the same Gerasimovs, Ivanovs (not caught yet), Belousovs will continue to work, and with the same results. Yao is not a panacea, and not a wunderwaffe, but a direct path to nowhere
      1. 0
        27 November 2024 17: 14
        The use of nuclear weapons by the Russian Armed Forces in this situation is a sign of inability or unwillingness to wage war with conventional weapons.

        With conventional weapons? That would also kill 100-200 thousand of our guys + cripples. Skill or lack of skill, but if we hit important objects in Ukraine with TNW of 200 KTN, the war will end quickly. That's why many CIPSO members write: no way, no way, public opinion and other bullshit. By the way, this will save many lives, including Ukrainians.
        1. +1
          27 November 2024 19: 47
          Conventional weapons - the same geraniums on 750V transformers. Iskanders and Kh-22 on bridges. Daggers on Bankovskaya and the surrounding bunkers, where everyone will hide. I'm not even saying that you can not only fight head-on in the strongholds, but also concentrate resources, deceive the enemy, hunt his bosses. In short, fight with your brains, and not what our generals are used to
          1. -2
            27 November 2024 23: 13
            Don't think that all our senior officers have something made of wood instead of brains. Most of them are still reasonable people. But, war is the art of what is possible from a set of available weapons, trained fighters and officers and competent high command starting from the supreme.
            1. -1
              27 November 2024 23: 29
              If you start to analyze specific combat actions during the SVO, you begin to get the feeling that the leadership is completely logs. Apparently, it is possible to fight only as requested from above - it is very bad to have the feeling that even between companies it is simply unrealistic to establish cooperation. For brigades to somehow interact is generally on the verge of possibility, and for different branches of the armed forces to plan something together is like meeting a dinosaur on the street.
            2. -1
              28 November 2024 11: 45
              "You shouldn't think that all our senior officers have something made of wood instead of brains."
              no, of course, he couldn't steal billions like Ivanov, but it looks like everything was stolen. but for some reason all the other smart guys, not with wooden brains, couldn't do anything with their own. where are these geniuses of military thought, like Surovikin, what have they come up with, except for frontal assaults on villages and urban-type settlements? or is someone not letting them show all their military wisdom and skills? Biden? Macron? as if I knew it couldn't have happened without them laughing
        2. -1
          28 November 2024 11: 37
          "but if we hit important objects in Ukraine with 200 KTN TNW, the war will end quickly"
          What important objects can only be destroyed by nuclear weapons? And have you heard anything about the wind rose, secondary pollution? And what if the precipitation goes further west? Poland and Germany will gladly fall to their knees before Trump to respond in kind, and he will respond - NATO allies, after all. And now imagine that 200kt did not help. What next? You can't do anything with simple weapons, and NATO will strike back, not even for the allies, but at the smart guy who uses nuclear weapons in the center of Europe. And NATO has more of everything, from soldiers to any modern equipment. They will simply shower you with tomahawks from all sides. And what will be left of the country? A bunker with the commander in chief and the minister of defense
  11. +1
    27 November 2024 08: 16
    Until the "boss" gets punched in the teeth, nothing will stop!!! They HAVE to punch him in the face!!!
    1. +3
      27 November 2024 15: 06
      It's very difficult to hit here without getting hit back.
  12. +1
    27 November 2024 08: 47
    They clearly show six packets that open at an altitude of about 100 km; each packet-cassette contains six tungsten

    I didn't see anything at an altitude of 100 km.
    36 tungsten carbide rods without explosives? What damage will they cause to buildings? I remember in the 90s, the Ukrainian Armed Forces launched a TOCKHKA missile during exercises and the missile hit a residential building. It penetrated all the floors and remained in the basement. The warhead was a training dummy.
    This is more of a warning than a damage.
  13. +8
    27 November 2024 09: 09
    The events of November 21 made an indelible impression on the world community.

    That's true. It's been a long time since the Russian Federation demonstrated its helplessness and fear like that. This is perfectly demonstrated by the statements of the French Foreign Ministry - "we will continue to help the Ukrainian Armed Forces as we did before." The British sent dozens of missiles. So this strike caused nothing but a little commotion in the chats.
    1. 0
      27 November 2024 23: 18
      It has been a long time since the Russian Federation demonstrated its helplessness and fear in this way. This is perfectly demonstrated by the statements of the French Foreign Ministry - "we will continue to help the Ukrainian Armed Forces as we did before." The British sent dozens of missiles.

      Western leaders have simply lost their sense of fear and do not understand reality. And the reality is that the Russian Federation is approaching a dead end in the war and if NATO continues to feed Zelensky, then a nuclear strike on Ukraine first will be inevitable. That is when fear will appear.
      1. -1
        28 November 2024 10: 48
        Therefore, they will slightly loosen their grip there. Just a little, which will allow them to advance another 10-20 km. But nothing will change strategically. We will continue to exhaust ourselves, and NATO will calmly build up its military-industrial complex. It will work out its tactics. And already in 2027-2030, it will either come itself, or put up another proxy. I don’t know who. But in principle, Kazakhstan could come. Or arrange a second Chechnya inside. And the discontent of the SVO will grow. The West doesn’t give a damn about Ukraine’s victory and the 1991 border. They are doing it so that they cannot reconcile and continue the slaughter for several more years. And then they will calmly come and take everything they need. Ukraine is already offering all of itself. From people to mineral resources and black soil. Well, we will also mature. Maybe not in a year. Well, then in 3. THEY will get 1917 again. Only then the West divided Central Europe and the colonies of Germany. And they had no time for us. Plus the most powerful internal resistance and the people's fatigue from the war. But today everything will be different. And there are no second Bolsheviks in sight who will be able to reassemble the country. Rather, a crowd of tsars dreaming of independence.
        1. 0
          28 November 2024 12: 59
          Russia is approaching a dead end in the war

          I am writing for the supporters of the CIPSO, our official propagandists and supporters of a non-nuclear
          wars. What do I mean by a deadlock, what causes it:
          1. The West is much stronger economically and technically than Russia. And if it does not produce the required amount of weapons now, it will do so in 3-5 years. And so far there are no signs of peace on its part.
          2. The West has lost its fear of a nuclear strike and does not believe in its reality. And therefore Russia simply has to show its nuclear grin by means of a test nuclear strike.
          3. Replenishment of our troops with voluntary contract soldiers in the future will no longer ensure withdrawal due to injury and death. Without mobilization, troops on LBS will be reduced, and mobilization ....
          4. If there is no cessation of hostilities under any circumstances, then a nuclear strike on Ukraine is inevitable, and in the long term on Europe, i.e. World War III.
          I think everyone understands this, but the West is playing "madhouse".
          1. +2
            28 November 2024 17: 49
            Although I do not belong to any of the 3 categories
            I am writing for the supporters of the CIPSO, our official propagandists and supporters of a non-nuclear

            I'll add on point 4. It's possible that the Russian Federation will simply capitulate and collapse. Due to the exhaustion of industry/army and the fatigue of the population. It will turn out like with the USSR. The people will agree to anything. As long as it's not endless horror. And we need to understand that everything depends on one person.. If he's gone, the gang will start tearing the country apart. There are already little tsars who are their own emperors with a personal army. And as soon as we throw out the old slogan "stop feeding Moscow", everyone will fall apart. The Union died under this slogan. And no one came out to defend it. Everyone rushed to divide and plunder. And VVP cleaned up everything he could. And today there is not a single leader/party/movement of the all-Russian level. Whom the masses are ready to follow. Except maybe total Islamization. And that's already a civil war. Quiet or hot - it doesn't matter.
            .
            1. 0
              28 November 2024 19: 17
              We need to understand that everything depends on one person. If he is gone, the gang will start tearing the country apart.

              Of course, this cannot be ruled out, although it is unlikely, since VVP surrounded himself with his supporters, which was not the case during his first presidential term. And the policy may change: Russia is a country where tsars traditionally ruled. This was violated in the USSR, where there was a Politburo, which was, after all, a collective leadership.
  14. +5
    27 November 2024 09: 30
    "Oreshnik" - a new medicine for oligophrenia and megalomania

    Unfortunately, no. This is just another factor of irritation for the West. The strikes with long-range missiles have not stopped, and talk about transferring nuclear weapons to the Ukrainian Armed Forces only escalates the situation. We need the Houthis to sink Arleigh Burke, hit Cyprus, maybe then it will become clearer?
    1. -1
      27 November 2024 15: 02
      .Long-range missile strikes have not stopped

      Once again.
      What kind of blows? Where?
      You can even do it without proof.
      Or have they stopped being responsible for their words altogether?
      1. +1
        27 November 2024 15: 09
        What kind of blows? Where?
        You can even do it without proof.
        Or have they stopped being responsible for their words altogether?
        Have you ever caught me in a lie or do you have delusions of grandeur?
        Please with a photo and a statement from the Ministry of Defense
        https://www.interfax.ru/russia/994552
        1. -1
          27 November 2024 19: 14
          Please with a photo and a statement from the Ministry of Defense

          Thank you.
          Where did I say that you behaved like this before?
          I asked a question with the word "stopped" which, as we know, implies "it used to be different."
  15. -3
    27 November 2024 09: 31
    Any target in Ukraine is now in plain sight and no one can shoot down anything like the Kalibr missiles, each of which is fired at with missiles. The time from the launch of the Oreshnik to the strike is 5-6 minutes at best, especially since they don't know where it's flying. Bridges, factories, thermal power plants and combined heat and power plants, bunkers and NATO force concentrations somewhere in western Ukraine - everything is in plain sight and defenseless even with the expensive THAAD. So let Ukraine hit the Russian border with Western missiles (most of which are shot down), but the response will be much stronger and more destructive. Lviv? Ivano-Frankivsk? Ternopil? Kyiv? And everything interesting there is in plain sight.
    And the raguli and (M)eccentrics here on the forum are either fools or are working off "victories" in the style of the scoundrel who gave them the order: more bullshit like "there is no hazelnut" or "it was not destroyed". That's how it will be in the future: it is not there, and the bridge, and the thermal power plant, and the bunker, and the plant were not destroyed.
    1. +4
      27 November 2024 12: 50
      "That's how it will be in the future: he's gone, and the bridge, the thermal power plant, the bunker, and the plant weren't destroyed."
      what, did they destroy it? The hazel tree is now another rattle for the electorate
    2. -1
      27 November 2024 17: 34
      What's the point of using such missiles in Ukraine? The Poles need to be turned into a desert as accomplices. They are pawns, no one will intervene for them. And then we can organize the Strait named after Comrade Stalin instead of the English Channel. This is what the Supreme Commander promised on February 24, 2022 to those who interfere... But to promise is not to marry.
  16. -6
    27 November 2024 10: 34
    Oreshnik has shown that the President is not as simple as he seems, and the Kremlin has finally shown its best side. Of course, this will not stop the goats from NATO, the senile Biden and the globalists behind them. They cannot reassess the situation yet. Judging by the Kremlin's strategy, our actions are extremely restrained and we are not trying to bravado. This is a certain philosophy and it can be understood. But Putin apparently has cards in the deck that have not yet been revealed. I believe that if the missile strikes continue, the Kremlin will still hit Ukraine even more demonstratively to show what we can do to NATO. This is the Cuban Missile Crisis -2 and this is very, very wonderful. Oreshnik, if it is produced in sufficient quantities, will radically change the balance of power in Europe with NATO. Just as it was changed by the emergence of nuclear weapons and the steam fleet after the sailing one. This is the weapon of the future.
    1. +5
      27 November 2024 10: 58
      What Cuban Missile Crisis? The Cuban Missile Crisis began when the Americans saw our missiles next to them, in Cuba. When the "Oreshnik" with a flight time of 5-10 minutes is placed in Cuba or, at worst, in Venezuela, then there will be a Cuban Missile Crisis-2.
    2. 0
      27 November 2024 19: 05
      Yeah-yeah, again HPP, we know, we heard. Yes
  17. +6
    27 November 2024 10: 52
    Western media are teeming with panic articles
    yeah, because of the West's fear of Oreshnik, in Russia, the ruble exchange rate began to fall against the yuan, dollar, euro...
    1. 0
      27 November 2024 19: 07
      It's not a big deal, as Peskov said, for Russians 114 wooden rubles for a dollar is a minor inconvenience. laughing
  18. +2
    27 November 2024 12: 26
    Everything is gone... victory...?
    Oh, I doubt it

    They hit something that was essentially an intercontinental missile where a regular cruise missile could have reached.
    Could they have hit earlier? Yes, please. Warn them about the launch according to international treaties - and hit them as much as you want with old ballistic missiles.

    It is unlikely that it will have any effect that we can pound the roads with ballistic missiles where we can reach with regular Krylaty or Kinzhal missiles (they shoot right through Ukraine at range)
    1. +3
      27 November 2024 12: 54
      "It's unlikely that it will have any effect that we can pound the roads with ballistic missiles where we can with conventional Winged missiles"
      but how Putin has grown in his own eyes laughing . but somehow he completely forgot about Kursk, or is he preparing for Istanbul?
      1. +1
        27 November 2024 19: 08
        He once went to Kazakhstan.
        1. +1
          28 November 2024 11: 48
          "going to Kazakhstan"
          a man of desperate courage! After all, they can arrest you there laughing
          1. +1
            28 November 2024 21: 43
            Totally reckless, yeah. Instead of going to Kursk or Belgorod, where it's calm, no, he went into the thick of it. Yes laughing
            1. +1
              30 November 2024 17: 45
              "No, I went into the very thick of it."
              a common man cannot be at the head of Russia. "and a coward doesn't play hockey", but he does!
  19. 0
    27 November 2024 13: 23
    What are you fussing about with this "Oreshnik"? How many of them will be produced per month? And how many targets? By the end of the war, the Germans also had V-8s, cool tanks, and jet fighters. So what? Did they make a difference if they were only produced in one piece?
  20. 0
    27 November 2024 13: 33
    Quote: Max1995
    Everything is gone... victory...?
    Oh, I doubt it

    They hit something that was essentially an intercontinental missile where a regular cruise missile could have reached.
    Could they have hit earlier? Yes, please. Warn them about the launch according to international treaties - and hit them as much as you want with old ballistic missiles.

    It is unlikely that it will have any effect that we can pound the roads with ballistic missiles where we can with conventional ones.


    The missile is medium-range, not an ICBM.
    Comparing it to a cruise missile or a "dagger" is obvious stupidity. Six warheads are not one, the use of such weapons is more suitable for hitting targets with a large area (like the same Yuzhmash).
    Since there is no reliable data on the price, the "expensiveness" is a figment of your imagination and nothing more.
    This is a test in real combat conditions, as well as a demonstration of the capabilities of our weapons to "Western partners", and not only... who knows, perhaps such weapons will be exported. Those who want to buy such things will definitely be found, and no one even remembers any norms of international law, the whole world has gone crazy.

    We don't have old medium-range missiles, they were destroyed under Gorbachev. So stop showing off your ignorance, there are enough of those without you.
  21. +1
    27 November 2024 16: 56
    I would like to note to the author, Sergey Ketonov, that the analysis of the English-language press, if we put aside, for the period of reading and analyzing Western media, "kvass domestic pathos and patriotism, about "Oreshnik" and its "merits", about "Yuzhmash," is very modest and restrained... Yes! The world realized that Russia has another "wunderwaffe"... But!!! The reaction of the West to the new "wunderwaffe" of Russia is very restrained, in places "detached" and even in an aura of skepticism... In the style of "cartoons" about "Dagger", "Burevestnik" and "Poseidon"... We should "drive it into our heads" that the West has long since become unaccustomed to pictures of mass destruction of European cities, mass deaths, total devastation.... The last political leaders and their peoples, who saw this with their own eyes, fought, suffered, died and buried their peoples in the thousands - these are the "times" of J.F. Kennedy, D.E. Eisenhower, K. Adenauer, N.S. Khrushchev, L.I. Brezhnev, Charles de Gaulle..... All the rest of the "tribe" of Western politicians are "children" of the "democratic transformations of the West and the times of "well-fed quiet life" in the "entourage" of victories over the USSR in the "cold war," under the rule of Russia, Western-American puppets like Gorbachev - Yeltsin, deprived of the will to resist and independence... All these "pearls" of the last 30 years of relations with Russia, "raised" in Western leaders and the population of the West and the USA, the confidence that Russia is capable of only political statements, at all international "angles", justifications, assurances and, at most, "drawing" red lines"... Nothing more... Therefore, "Nut" is perceived ambiguously by the West, and not particularly frighteningly (they won't apply it to Europe anyway - "they won't have the spirit" and political will)... The population of the West, in a well-fed and calm life, of the last 50 years, has completely lost the sense of self-preservation and basic healthy "bitterness", which is shown by a fairly scrupulous analysis of Western media, on the topic of "Nut" and everything connected with it, including specific statements by our Supreme... And to give the words of the Supreme, "weight", in this matter, a specific "spanking, with "Nut", already, of Europe is needed... Then, perhaps, they will start to "itch" specifically, and not only listen, but also hear what Moscow is telling them through the lips of our President.
  22. 0
    28 November 2024 20: 44
    It would be a good idea to consult a doctor about when, how often, and in what quantities to use. The patient doesn't seem to know how to use medications.