The Ukrainian GUR claims that the attack on the Yuzhmash plant was allegedly carried out not by the Oreshnik, but by the Kedr missile system

The Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine claims that the Russian Armed Forces used a non-new hypersonic ballistic missile to strike the Yuzhmash enterprise in Dnepropetrovsk. rocket "Oreshnik", as stated by Russian President Vladimir Putin the day before, and the missile system "Kedr". On what basis the Ukrainian intelligence came to such conclusions is not specified.

It is noted that the flight time of the missile from the moment of launch in the Astrakhan region to hitting the military-industrial facility in Dnepropetrovsk was about 15 minutes. The missile was equipped with six warheads, each of which, in turn, had six submunitions. The speed of the missile at the final section of the trajectory, according to information from the Ukrainian GUR, exceeded 11 Machs. Ukrainian intelligence also states that, according to Kyiv, the tests of the complex took place at the Kapustin Yar test site in the Astrakhan region in the fall of 2023 and the summer of 2024.

Based on the fact that information about the Kedr first appeared in early 2021, and it takes a long time to complete the development of missiles of this type, it was assumed that the complex would enter service with the Russian Armed Forces no earlier than the end of the current decade. Only experimental design work was planned for 2024. Thus, the Ukrainian GUR assumes that Russia managed to make this missile several times faster than previously planned.

Earlier it was reported that the Pentagon stated that the strike on Yuzhmash was allegedly carried out not by the Oreshnik, but by some other missile created on the basis of the Rubezh project.

Everything is mixed up in foreign assessments...

Comments

[Gvardeetz77]

In Russia, there are many different trees and bushes growing in the forests, it’s not surprising for the enemy to get confused:)

[Montezuma]

Quote: Gvardeetz77

In Russia, there are many different trees and bushes growing in the forests, it’s not surprising that the enemy gets confused:

But the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine found out everything in one go, and even more precisely determined what hit the plant. But the "Kedr" (let it be "Kedr", since they like it better) ) arrived unexpectedly for them, erudition did not save them.

[alexbor]

But the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine found out everything at once

it seems so to them

[krot]

Well, mom's pie probably knows best what we named the rocket that will soon bury them)))

[sgrabik]

When something seems - it is necessary to be baptized!!!

[carpenter]

Quote: Gvardeetz77

In Russia, there are many different trees and bushes growing in the forests, it’s not surprising that the enemy gets confused

What difference does it make whether it’s cedar or hazel, the main thing is that it turned out well, look how the West is screaming from the greens.

[figwam]

Cedar nut has arrived

[carpenter]

Quote: figvam

Cedar nut has arrived

A whole handful of pine nuts.

[Rostov Papa]

The revenge from the GUR will be terrible, they will set fire to a couple of cabinets on our railway.

[isv000]

Quote: carpenter

What difference does it make whether it’s cedar or hazel, the main thing is that it turned out well, look how the West is screaming from the greens.

I enjoy watching the devils get twisted! And it was a medium-range missile, the older brothers haven't been shown yet...

[Mwg]

And it was a medium-range missile, the older brothers have not yet been shown... feel

the older brothers are saved for London and Washington )))

[Poplar]

What difference does it make whether it's cedar or hazel, the main thing is that it turned out well

It reminded me of a classic Soviet film: "You don't have a closed fracture there, but an open one."
I agree, what's the difference: cedar or hazel?

[carpenter]

Quote: Poplar

I agree, what's the difference: cedar or hazel?

I also don’t know what to hit my head with, a kerosene stick or a hazelnut, the effect is the same.

[tsvetahaki]

Quote: Poplar

I agree, what's the difference: cedar or hazel?

There is no difference for them.
For us - cost and production capabilities.
Most likely, they finished "Rubezh" - there was a lot of work done on it...
In any case, if the missile is of medium range, it is much more expensive than the Iskander and much cheaper than any ICBM.
And the price == quantity per year...

[Sevastiec]

The most interesting thing: what's the difference to them too? We said "hazelnut", they said "cedar". And what's fundamentally different about cedar? Does it affect anything?

PS Just as I hadn't heard about Oreshnik until the day before yesterday, today I heard about Cedar. We have a whole forest of rockets.

[sgrabik]

I agree, and most importantly, the RSD "Oreshnik" is far from all the new weapons that our President mentioned, so our enemies should think a hundred times before taking ill-considered and reckless steps that could turn into a real catastrophe for them.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Ну Ukrainians still able to distinguish nut shells from cedar shells...

[skeptic]

Quote: Gvardeetz77

In Russia, there are many different trees and shrubs growing in the forests.

Who said that "Cedar" is not hazel?

[BAI]

missile system "Kedr"

What kind of Cedar is this? I haven't heard anything.
Hazel, cedar...
Should we wait for Hazelnut, Peanut, etc. to appear?

[K._2]

Hazelnuts and peanuts are not ours. We have Hazelnuts and Cedars.

[Roma 92]

The hazelnut is ours. It grows at my dacha. In Sevastopol.

[K._2]

Perhaps hazel? Well, it's a hazelnut, or hazelnut in our language.

[abrakadabre]

Perhaps hazel? Well, it's a hazelnut, or hazelnut in our language.

Hazelnut and filbert are synonyms for the same nut.

[K._2]

Well, everything goes to the hazelnut tree, as the president said.

[AAK]

Not quite synonyms - hazelnuts have rounder nuts, while filberts have more elongated ones

[sagitovich]

Well then, they gave the forelocks a good "Bream"!
Look how they squealed!

[carpenter]

Quote: Roma-92

The hazelnut is ours. It grows at my dacha. In Sevastopol.

My grandfather grew cedar nuts in Transbaikalia, they collected them by the sack. And cedar oil is delicious and healthy.
Well, against the enemy, "cedar" is also useful.

[forcecom]

"... and leaning against the "Pine" he gave "Oak""

[sgrabik]

K._2, well, why not? Hazelnuts grow well in our southern regions, and even pistachios grow in Crimea.

[Huarabey]

Acorn. At least it will reflect the specifics.

[Tagan]

Acorn. At least it will reflect the specifics.

[Orange Bigg]

Quote: BAI

missile system "Kedr"

What kind of Cedar is this? I haven't heard anything.
Hazel, cedar...
Should we wait for Hazelnut, Peanut, etc. to appear?

Cedar is just the latest development. Continuation of the Yars theme.

"On November 21, 2024, Russia launched a strike on Ukrainian territory using a ballistic missile, likely from the Kedr missile system. The flight time of this Russian missile from launch in the Astrakhan region to impact in the city of Dnepr was 15 minutes. The missile had six warheads: each equipped with six submunitions. The speed at the final section of the trajectory was more than Mach 11," the report says.

It is claimed that a number of Russian military-industrial complex enterprises were involved in the development of the complex.

"Tests of the Kedr missile system took place at the 4th State Central Inter-Species Test Site of the Russian Federation (Kapustin Yar, Astrakhan Region) in October 2023 and June 2024. The Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine reminds that for every war crime committed against the Ukrainian people, there will be due and fair retribution," the Ukrainian intelligence service threatens.

The authors of the Telegram channel “Military Informant” suggested what the Russian military developments might be connected to.
Back in early 2021, the first information about the design of a new strategic missile system as part of the Kedr research project appeared. The project was included in the State Armament Program until 2027, and its transition to the stage of experimental design work (R&D) with subsequent production and testing of prototype missiles was planned no later than 2024, the source reports.

The Kedr complex was to receive a solid-fuel ballistic missile of mobile and silo-based design. It was assumed that the new complex was being developed with a minimum medium-term perspective as a possible future replacement for the Topol-M and Yars ICBMs. It was concluded that the Kedr would become a promising intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) with an eye on the 2030s.

“It is unknown whether the “Kedr” from the 2021 news is related to the current “Kedr/Oreshnik” that arrived in Dnepropetrovsk and is already an IRBM, not an ICBM, or whether this is simply a name put forward by the enemy out of the blue, and the real “Oreshnik” was simply developed on the basis of the RS-26 “Rubezh,” the channel’s material says.


Judging by yesterday's hits, the Oreshnik warheads hit two old missile workshops at Yuzhmash, and also covered the area between workshops number 7 and number 8, next to the turning and forging shops, where, presumably, some components of missile weapons could be produced. It is curious that there are about 25 large workshops on the territory of Yuzhmash, so if necessary, it can fly there again,
- write the war correspondents of "Military Chronicle".

[Orange Bigg]

Photo of the Yuzhmash plant. Estimate the size.

[svp67]

Quote from Orange Bigg

Estimate the dimensions.

And these are only the visible ones, but what and how much is still there below... Not many people know this.

[Askold65]

Quote: svp67

And these are only the visible ones, but what and how much is still there below... Not many people know this.

The whole point is that the ballistic missile actually landed on Yuzhmash, as a manufacturer of ballistic missiles.

[NakedMan]

Considering the speed of the warheads down there, it should be fun too.

[Locksmith]

Well, yes, if we just estimate on our “fingers”, a cone 1 m high, with a base of 500 mm, made of tungsten (well, people like metal, although uranium is cheaper) at 3 km/sec we have approximately 5000 kg of TNT. And not immediately, but it will lose energy, destroying space.

[sgrabik]

I think that those who need to know this, know all about it perfectly well, Yuzhmash was designed and built during the USSR, I don’t think that Ukraine could have changed anything there much during its so-called independence.

[svp67]

Quote: sgrabik

I think that those who need to know this, know all about it perfectly well,

Unfortunately, the experience of Mariupol shows that a lot of documentation remained in Ukraine after the collapse of the USSR.

[begemot20091]

It is possible that they are tracing holders, but the "center" always sent slides from tracings.

[Eug]

In the lower left corner of the photo is a football stadium that could hold about 60 thousand people in Soviet times. Very clear.

[svp67]

Quote: Eug

In the lower left corner of the photo is a football stadium that could hold about 60 thousand people in Soviet times. Very clear.

This is the indoor sports arena "Meteor"

[Bianconeri]

"..The Kedr complex was supposed to receive solid fuel ballistic missile of mobile and silo-based..." - it seems that everyone has already agreed (well, judging by the info noise around) that what flew in had a liquid engine. But this, naturally, is not certain...

[svan26]

- "that what flew in had a liquid engine. But this, of course, is not certain..."
- Or maybe it's R-36?! Or its first stage! They shook off the dust, filled it up and sent it to its birthplace to die. Like salmon that come to die in the streams where they hatched...

[sgrabik]

Maybe, if only mushrooms had grown in my mouth, what flew to Yuzhmash is not at all similar to old developments, so don’t write nonsense, all this fortune-telling on coffee grounds is nothing more than assumptions, no one will divulge technical details in this situation, all adequate people understand that this is classified information.

[Havoc]

Quote: Bianconeri

"..The Kedr complex was supposed to receive solid fuel ballistic missile of mobile and silo-based..." - it seems that everyone has already agreed (well, judging by the info noise around) that what flew in had a liquid engine. But this, naturally, is not certain...

"Kedr" is a complex, it includes launchers and support vehicles, but what missiles to load into it - "Oreshnik" or from "Topol M" or something else from the new products - depends on the tasks. The complex was simply standardized, I think there is still a lot in the stash. Remember Putin's words about weapons based on other physical principles, everyone thought he was bluffing, but it turned out like this.
P.S. I watched the video of the impact, it felt like I was watching a science fiction movie, it didn’t even seem real.

[Vitaly_pvo]

Quote: BAI

Should we wait for Hazelnut, Peanut, etc. to appear?

Judging by the logical chain, the next one will be Oak and then it will be full of Bandar-logs.

[astepanov]

Quote: Vitaly_pvo

there will be Oak

They will have an aspen tree. On which Judas hanged himself.

[sgrabik]

The word "club" also comes from oak, so let's hit them with another club.

[Machito]

Quote: BAI

missile system "Kedr"

What kind of Cedar is this? I haven't heard anything.
Hazel, cedar...
Should we wait for Hazelnut, Peanut, etc. to appear?

I like oak.
Oak barrels are needed for the production of cognac.
Happy birthday to everyone.
And ho. It's good to cover the floor with oak.

[novel66]

Oh, I wish I could just cover them with oak already

[svp67]

Quote: BAI

What kind of Cedar is this? I haven't heard anything.

In the early 20s, information was released about the start of R&D to create this RK with ICBMs to replace the "YARS"

[hhurik]

How come I haven't heard this? Here's the "Kedr". They shot it from it, no need to be a fortune teller. From a flying airship.

[fruc]

Everything is mixed up in foreign assessments...

Everything was mixed up, horses, people...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: BAI

Should we wait for Hazelnut, Peanut, etc. to appear?

or maybe ash or poplar

[Andriuha077]

Why not. For example.
15Zh66 Speed ​​was built on the basis of 2-3 stages of 15Zh58 Topol.
Maximum range 4000 km.

[dimy44]

Ah, well then it's not a big deal))

[Lemon]

Let them guess! When British scientists join in, it will become really interesting.)))

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Lemon

When British scientists join in, things will get really interesting.)))

it's scary, they'll immediately remember the fighting snails with venereal diseases

[Leon68]

Quote: Lemon

Let them guess! When British scientists join in, it will become really interesting.)))

Nooo! It will be really interesting when Estonian intelligence joins in after the British scientists. In about 6-8 months. Their analysis will be the most interesting and the most accurate.

[KTM-5]

The Cycles just can't figure out how to turn this grand betrayal into a victory.

[Huarabey]

They've already come up with it. Today they wrote an article on Ukropedia, where they're trying to hint that it was a modification of Rubezh, and if that's the case, then Russia violated the current START-3 treaty.

[bambr731]

The Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine claims that the Russian Armed Forces used the Kedr missile system to strike the Yuzhmash enterprise in Dnepropetrovsk, rather than the new hypersonic ballistic missile Oreshnik, as Russian President Vladimir Putin stated the day before. It is not specified on what basis Ukrainian intelligence came to such conclusions.

Well, if the GUR said so, then it must be so, because the GUR, like everything else in the 404th, is the most powerful intelligence service in the world. They know things that our supreme commander is not aware of.

[alexandre II]

There's such a mess in their heads now, everyone's in one heap, of course, they're farting out of fear, I was driving to work today, and there was such a stench outside, I wondered where it was coming from, and it was in the morning, and it was coming from Brussels

[Montezuma]

The Ukrainian GUR claims that the attack on the Yuzhmash plant was allegedly carried out not by the Oreshnik, but by the Kedr missile system

Interesting things, the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine knows what hit Yuzhmash better than the VVP. In general, a lot of things grow in the Russian Federation, for example hogweed - be afraid, enemies, this infection will be worse than cedar.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

"The Ukrainian GUR claims that the attack on the Yuzhmash plant was allegedly carried out not by the Oreshnik, but by the Kedr missile system" —

- You can at least call it "Coconut", did you like the result? ...

[novel66]

That's it.
What's the name, a rose smells like a rose
Call it a rose or not

[Nyrobsky]

I wonder, what difference does it actually make to the Bandar-logs what the name of the missile that "optimized" the Yuzhmash capacity was, "Oreshnik" or "Kedr", if the result is obvious, and the air defense they have is not capable of shooting down either one?
Look at the piglets and squeal.

[Reptiloid]

And this is very important to them! The Ukrops look at pictures of trees, compare them with the results at Yuzhmash, think about where all the trees will soon appear and Think

Where to run?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Reptiloid

And this is very important to them! The Ukrops look at pictures of trees, compare them with the results at Yuzhmash, think about where all the trees will soon appear and Think

Where to run?

They thought that having received the vaunted mattress Patriots, they would slap all Russian missiles and planes like a fly swatter, but it turned out completely differently and Russia took out half of the delivered systems with "old" missiles, and then suddenly a new one appeared, which cannot be shot down by anything at all. Another Bandar-log dream has died (the dream is dead)!

[Reptiloid]

Well, what are you saying? They puppy-puppy! (not dead yet) And there is a song like that! It's called "Puppy has died" But their brains have already given up. Now they don't know how to keep their pig mugs in front of the mattresses. And they've messed up their pants so much that all the foreigners don't need them anymore.

[lisikat2]

Good health to all.
Excuse me, but has anything changed because the missile is called "Kedr" and not "Oreshnik"? Has the destruction become less or will Putin be banned from using these missiles?
For example, I like "Kedr" better.

[Dilettante grandfather]

Excuse me, but has anything changed because the missile is called "Kedr" and not "Oreshnik"? Has the destruction become less or will Putin be banned from using these missiles?
For example, I like "Kedr" better.

You see, these are two different products. Well, you won't call a VAZ a Mercedes just because it looks better? That won't make a VAZ a Mercedes...

[Byurer]

Actually, in Budanov's statement either the rocket itself or the launch complex are called "Kedr", and the R&D project for its creation is called "Oreshnik". So these are not two different rockets, but one and the same, which is not stated in the article.

[Dilettante grandfather]

In fact, in Budanov’s statement, either the rocket itself or the launch complex are called “Kedr”, and the R&D project for its creation is called “Oreshnik”.

Well, Budanov, of course, knows for sure...

[lisikat2]

You guessed it: I call our "Accent" "Mercedes". Everything is comfortable and thought out in it, like in a Mercedes.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote from lisikat2

For example, I like "Kedr" better.

and I generally like the Russian forest and the ash, and the poplar, and all the rest

[lisikat2]

If you are talking about the FOREST, then: a pine tree is more beautiful than a poplar.

[tank_killer156]

Thus, the Ukrainian GUR assumes that Russia managed to make this missile several times faster than previously planned.
TYu and what about the country of a gas station with an economy torn to shreds with a population of guzhbanishche day and night hawthorn, tyuuyu again BETRAYAL or wasn't it you who shot them down with Yuzhmash

[Reptiloid]

The stupid show-offs have begun! They are so omniscient! And if everyone knew so, why didn’t they run away as far as possible, but showed off in all the international talk shops?

[svp67]

Earlier it was reported that the Pentagon stated that the strike on Yuzhmash was allegedly carried out not by the Oreshnik, but by some other missile created on the basis of the Rubezh project.

Russia can not understand with its mind, it is not possible to measure the common yardstick ...
And who said that it is impossible to create a lighter medium-range missile based on an ICBM?

[Comrade Beria]

I quote Putin verbatim:

In combat conditions, one of the newest Russian medium-range missile systems was tested, in this case with a ballistic missile in a non-nuclear hypersonic warhead. Our missilemen called it "Oreshnik".

Note, not the designers, not GRAU.
The military is like that, they can do it. After all, they called the RDS-7 atomic bomb with a capacity of 1 MT "Fool". That's what it was called in the documents.

[Askold65]

Quote: Comrade Beria

Note, not the designers, not GRAU.

Most likely, he had them in mind, as missilemen – manufacturers of missiles.

[Peter Yakovlev]

Designer Gerbert Efremov, who created the world's first strategic cruise missile "Meteorite", which no missile defense system was able to recognize, and under whose leadership the "Avangard" system was created, which is also invulnerable to any missile defense systems, including American ones, commented in a conversation with aif.ru on the main news of recent days - Russia's use of the latest hypersonic medium-range ballistic missile "Oreshnik".

— In the case of Avangard, the world learned about the name of the new weapon from the president’s speech (Vladimir Putin spoke about Avangard in 2018 during his address to the Federal Assembly — editor’s note), and in the case of Oreshnik, everyone learned the name of the newest missile from Putin’s address.
— "Vladimir Vladimirovich is the supreme commander-in-chief, he has the right to decide after consulting with his closest assistants."

[cmax]

Somehow they know a lot. Apparently there are still many sent rats available. The FSB still has a lot of work to do!

[Peter Yakovlev]

Rather

No matter what Putin says, we see "Rubezh-26, aka "Kedr".
Budanov, the CIA and MI6 are definitely better to know....

[KVU-NSVD]

Well, if Budanov said that it was Kedr, then who are we to argue with Mommy's pie?

[single-n]

The power steering determined this because no nuts were found, but cones were found.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

The swineherds know better. They are all "experts" there.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

"The swineherds know better. They are all "experts" there" —

[bbb]

It was cedar nut.

[foxes]

Well, this code has been mentioned for a long time. Most likely, "Kedr" will be a replacement for "YARS"

[Hariton laptev]

What difference does it make what kind of fire the Kiev junta will burn in? In a cedar nut or poplar fire. As long as it burns hotter and the ashes are scattered later.

[Peter Yakovlev]

There is a saying in Ukraine: "Let it be worse, but differently" - not like the Muscovites. ...So it turns out: No matter what Putin says, we see "Rubezh-26", aka "Kedr". Budanov, the CIA and MI6 definitely know "everything" better....

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

maybe cedar, maybe poplar, now guess

[tabletkin73]

In subsequent reports from Ukraine there will now be the following data: 3 daggers, 5 hazelnuts, etc. were shot down.

[Comrade Beria]

There are rumors that Deputy Head of the Presidential Administration Maksym Oreshkin will now be responsible for the negotiation process on Ukraine.

[volgast1970]

If there is a desire to check again? I appeal to the British, launch your missiles from the territory of Ukraine, and I think the population of Liverpool will be asked to leave as far as possible, within 4-5 hours, for humanitarian reasons.

[isv000]

The Ukrainian GUR claims that the attack on the Yuzhmash plant was allegedly carried out not by the Oreshnik, but by the Kedr missile system

So what? The sum doesn't change when the terms are changed. What if they had put normal explosives in there?! They would have gotten to Bandera's office.

[Uprun]

It's all bullshit, a cartoon, like the Crimean Bridge. We believe, we listen, we know. A saucepan.

[Grigory b]

What difference does it make what name it came under, the fact is that there is no antidote. And the funnel from the name has become neither more nor less from the name.

[Locksmith]

reminded me of an old joke - the waiter - "What would you like to drink, tea or coffee?" The visitor - "coffee!", the waiter - "wrong, tea!"

[Cronus]

Why is there such a choice based on whether the plant is operating or not?
Maybe it was necessary to demonstrate force by avoiding casualties, or not, for example, not bad for the hydroelectric power station, the port of Odessa with a high explosive filling so that everything would burn to hell. Or the same underground tunnels through which shells are delivered. The main thing is that it was done to painful points and demonstratively.
Or maybe we still haven't started...

[stackel]

Nnnda, it certainly sounds powerful, like intelligence. Like they found out for sure:
*In fact, they didn't beat us with a hockey stick, they beat us with a regular baseball bat. And our knocked-out teeth needed to be removed anyway.*

[Igor Belobrov]

Well, pine nuts. What's the difference.

[ugol2]

What's going on with this Yuzhmash?
Can anyone tell me what the consequences are?
As far as I understand, they hit with simple blanks without explosives. True, with enormous kinetic energy.

[Sergey3]

The photos in the article are not relevant; they are from last year's arrivals.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Well, they know better...
However, what difference does it make: even macadamia - as long as it destroys the Ukrainian Nazis properly!

[Dargavs]

Budanov was once almost killed by a cruise missile, now he will try to be clever and ask for ballistic missiles.

[Pioneer1984]

As far as we know, "Kedr" is replacing "Topol" and "Yars", with the corresponding characteristics and therefore cannot be launched at a range of 700 km, the distance from KapYar to Dnepropetrovsk.

[El Roz]

rocket naming contest! It wasn't "Buratino", it would have been "Cheburashka"!

[El Roz]

"Oak" with a mountain of "acorns" is approaching!

[Locksmith]

Quote from Cronus

Why is there such a choice based on whether the plant is operating or not?

This is a demonstrative flogging, the plant produced a lot of things harmful to us, it was difficult to hit because in Soviet times the plant was designed to protect against WMD. Current weapons are highly accurate and have high penetrating power = this axiom was resolved in favor of destruction, not protection.

[lynnot]

If they like the name "Kedr" better, let it be "Kedr". As long as they are happy.

[Murakow]

The new missile system "Aspen pencil" fell upon "Yuzhmash". "Patriots" with "Iriska" did not even have time to release gas jets from the nozzles.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

In Russia they say: "... horseradish is no sweeter than radish...".