Will the Oreshnik strike lead to a repeat of the 80s “missile” confrontation between the USSR and the USA?

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Will the Oreshnik strike lead to a repeat of the 80s “missile” confrontation between the USSR and the USA?

On November 21 of this year, a major event for our defense industry took place. Russian military successfully attacked the Ukrainian Yuzhmash plant in Dnepropetrovsk with the latest rocket, the development of which was kept in strict secrecy.

Initially, the Ukrainian Armed Forces disseminated information that a Russian ICBM had struck an industrial facility, which was immediately picked up by many foreign media outlets. Meanwhile, in his address to the Russians yesterday, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that our military had used the latest hypersonic medium-range missile, Oreshnik.



According to the Russian leader, this munition is capable of attacking a target at a speed of up to Mach 10, which makes it impossible for any existing missile defense system to intercept it.

It is also known that the Oreshnik has a multiple warhead with individual targeting units and can be used in nuclear warheads.

Naturally, this event has seriously worried the West, especially the European members of NATO, whose territories are within range of the newest Russian missile. It is worth noting that this is not the first munition of this class that creates serious problems for the United States and its allies.

Let us recall that the standoff between the Soviet Union and the United States in the field of armaments reached its peak in the 1970s and 1980s, when medium-range ballistic missiles entered the arena. At the center of this “competition” were the Soviet RSD-10 Pioneer and the American Pershing-2.

The missile systems have become symbols of the arms race, heightening global tensions and pushing both sides to reach a deal historical Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF).

The Soviet RSD-10 Pioneer missile, which entered service in 1976, was a modernized and more powerful version of the R-12 missile. Its range was from 600 to 5000 kilometers, which allowed it to hit targets throughout almost all of Western Europe.

The Pioneer was equipped with a multiple warhead with three nuclear warheads, each of which could be aimed at different targets. This design made it formidable weapons, capable of penetrating anti-missile defense systems.
Overall, it is very reminiscent of the Oreshnik, if you do not take into account hypersonics. However, the RSD-10 could well have been taken as the basis for the development of the newest Russian missile.

In response, the United States developed and deployed the Pershing II missile. Entering service in 2, the missile had a range of up to 1983 kilometers, limiting its impact to the European theater of war.

However, the American munition compensated for its range deficit with high accuracy and speed. Equipped with a guidance system based on radar maps of the terrain, the missile could hit targets with minimal deviation, making it ideal for destroying key targets, including command posts and bunkers.

The emergence of the Pioneers raised serious concerns in the United States and NATO. Soviet missiles could be launched virtually undetected, threatening the United States’ European allies and undermining the strategic balance. The deployment of Pershing IIs and cruise missiles in Europe was a retaliatory measure, further raising tensions. Ultimately, the threat of mutual destruction forced both sides to seek ways to reduce risks.

The result was the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, signed in 1987 by Mikhail Gorbachev and Ronald Reagan. This document for the first time provided for the complete destruction of an entire class of weapons: both sides pledged to eliminate missiles with a range of 500 to 5500 kilometers. To fulfill the treaty, 1846 Soviet missiles, including the Pioneers, and 846 American missiles, including the Pershing IIs, were destroyed.

It is worth recalling that in 2019, during his first presidential term, Donald Trump refused to extend the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty. Now, after the Oreshnik strike, the Republican, who will return to the White House on January 20, 2025, may change his mind.

However, one should not rule out a new round of the “arms race”.

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  1. -1
    22 November 2024 11: 48
    will it lead to...

    It would have happened anyway. It became inevitable after the INF Treaty was broken and the US announced the deployment of such missiles in Europe. There was some sense in our statements that we would not be the first to take such steps. Yesterday's demonstration showed that this sense has been lost too.
    1. +4
      22 November 2024 12: 20
      I remember well the time when Pershings were deployed in Europe. Our media presented it as a violation of the balance in Europe, modestly hushing up what is now stated in this article:

      The deployment of Pershing IIs and cruise missiles in Europe was a retaliatory measure, further increasing tensions.

      And I never understood why we should justify ourselves to anyone. It is better to present the enemy with a fact and then he will be forced to retreat. Let's see what this fact with "Oreshnik" will lead to.
      1. +3
        22 November 2024 13: 04
        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
        I remember well the time when Pershings were deployed in Europe.

        And I wore a military uniform at that time... American missiles were deployed in Europe, and Soviet missiles were on Soviet territory.
        In this way, the US gave itself time to launch a preemptive strike...That is why they spat on the peoples of Europe, putting people loyal to Washington at the head of their countries...
        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
        Let's see what this fact will lead to with "Oreshnik".

        Here you don’t need to look, but rather hope that the Supreme Command will not go back on its words and will not change its decision...
        1. +3
          22 November 2024 14: 10
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
          I remember well the time when Pershings were deployed in Europe.

          And I wore a military uniform at that time... American missiles were deployed in Europe, and Soviet missiles were on Soviet territory.
          In this way, the US gave itself time to launch a preemptive strike...That is why they spat on the peoples of Europe, putting people loyal to Washington at the head of their countries...
          Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
          Let's see what this fact will lead to with "Oreshnik".

          Here you don’t need to look, but rather hope that the Supreme Command will not go back on its words and will not change its decision...

          It will lead to the development of new air defense systems and missiles. They have the money
        2. +1
          22 November 2024 15: 07
          American missiles were deployed in Europe, and Soviet missiles were located on Soviet territory.
          Yuri Vasilyevich, it must be admitted that this factor did not particularly frighten the peoples of Europe, and they were only grateful to the US for holding such an umbrella over them. Of course, we stimulated rare protest demonstrations through the structures of communist parties and trade unions in the West, but the authorities did not pay attention to them. And they removed the Pershings, simply deceiving Gorbaty, leaving naval missiles of a similar class, where we could have little to respond to.
          It is about the same as the peoples of the "Warsaw Pact", who for a time considered our umbrella above them as their protection. And it seems that NATO allies in Europe were more afraid of us than we were of them in the 70-80s. Today's time confirms this fact. They are so intimidated by their own propaganda about the Russian threat that they are ready to completely lie down under the USA. Finland and Sweden are the most obvious example.
        3. +1
          23 November 2024 12: 04
          Quote: ROSS 42

          Here you don’t need to look, but rather hope that the Supreme Command will not go back on its words and will not change its decision...

          He has already changed - he struck not the horse, but the shaft. He promised to strike the manufacturer of the missiles and the one who launched them. And it was the American military who launched them. For the sake of fairness, it must be said that the Ukrainians are also to blame - there is no point in allowing the mattress makers to hit us with their missiles from the territory of the "independent".
          And who can explain to me the author's assertion that "Soviet missiles could be launched almost unnoticed." It turns out that the launch of the Pershings was very noticeable?
      2. 0
        22 November 2024 15: 54
        In our media this was presented as a violation of the balance in Europe, modestly hushing up what is now stated in this article:
        The deployment of Pershing IIs and cruise missiles in Europe was a retaliatory measure, further increasing tensions.

        Wikipedia says that this is only part of the "truth":
        By the mid-1970s, the United States had deployed 180 Pershing-1 mobile ballistic missiles in Europe. In response, the USSR began deploying RSD-1976 missiles of similar purpose in 10. To maintain superiority, on December 12, 1979, NATO decided to deploy 572 medium-range missiles in Europe: 108 Pershing-2 and 464 BGM-109G Tomahawk land-based cruise missiles (for comparison: in 1987, the USSR had 650 RSD-2 missiles[10] in its arsenal and on duty, of which two-thirds were intended for the European theater of military operations).
        1. 0
          22 November 2024 16: 32
          So what? After all, at that time there were no treaties banning either Pershings or our RSD-10s. And no one violated anything with their deployment. After the Cuban Missile Crisis, there was an agreement to remove the missiles in Turkey and Cuba... and then, you can put them anywhere, if you have the nerve. So they put the Pershings...
          1. 0
            22 November 2024 16: 40
            Well, if everyone could do whatever they wanted, then there was no point in writing in an article and then referring to it:
            The deployment of Pershing IIs and cruise missiles in Europe was a retaliatory measure
            , and the quantitative composition of Americans is precisely what testifies to this
            To maintain superiority
    2. +4
      22 November 2024 12: 26
      And in Putin's speech, I liked the words about warning the population about the upcoming strike. Now I see that such strikes are carried out mainly at night, outside of working hours. But in order to terrorize the enemy, it would be worthwhile to adopt a propaganda technique, indicating a day or more before such a strike can follow... Let the workers be afraid to go to work, not knowing when they will get hit. This will break the entire production schedule and bring confusion to the ranks of the Maidan defenders.
      1. +2
        22 November 2024 12: 43
        But in order to terrorize the enemy, it would be worthwhile to adopt a propaganda technique, with the designation of a day or more period when such a blow could follow.... Let the workers be afraid to go to work

        Yes, that would be nice.
      2. +2
        22 November 2024 13: 23
        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
        Now I see that such attacks are carried out mainly at night, outside of working hours.

        All enterprises of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine work in three shifts, so the chances that there were no casualties among the personnel are low. In the spring, the same thing happened to the Avangard plant and there was a large video from the daughter of one of the deceased employees, where she told a lot of interesting things. That some of the employees often rested in their rooms and utility rooms so as not to waste time on the way home, that no one ran to the bomb shelter... That is, a lot of people died there from several work shifts.
        Yuzhmash was regularly hit by nuclear weapons, but it was built with the use of nuclear weapons in mind, and there are quite a lot of underground protected rooms and workshops, the coverage of which our Gerans, Kalibrs and Khashkas, I don’t think, could reach, but the Hypers that have just arrived, even without explosives, could do a lot of things there.
        1. +2
          22 November 2024 15: 23
          Yes. Sergey, probably in some places they work three shifts with a night shift. But in any case, there are always fewer people at the enterprise on the night shift than on the day shift. There are no administration, HR, accountants and other support staff. Maybe that is why our attacks on factories and ports are mainly at night. This fact remains unchanged for now.
          1. +2
            22 November 2024 15: 32
            Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
            Maybe that’s why our attacks on factories and ports are carried out mainly at night.

            I agree. But you shouldn't discount the psychological impact either, sitting in a bomb shelter all night and then going to work in the morning... that doesn't really improve your productivity
    3. +1
      22 November 2024 13: 04
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      In fact, it would have happened anyway.

      Yes, all the developments are leading to this, but...
      However, one should not rule out a new round of the “arms race”.
      We may be able to avoid it for a while, although for us, in this situation, missiles of this class are VERY necessary.
      Why avoid it? It all comes down to the word "test". The Americans have already tested a similar missile, but they are in no hurry to deploy such systems, stating that until Russia begins deploying these systems in Europe, they will also deploy them there. Our leadership makes similar statements
      1. +1
        22 November 2024 13: 14
        Probably, it was impossible to do without a demonstrative strike. The next step, probably, is the resumption of nuclear tests by launching something with a special unit on Novaya Zemlya. And demonstratively not from Plesetsk or KapYar, but from a ship or a ground installation, and serial or ready for serial production.
        1. +1
          22 November 2024 15: 34
          Moreover, it is significant that it was not launched from Plesetsk or KapYar, but from a ship or a ground installation.

          It's unlikely... No one would take such a risk with nuclear weapons. What if it doesn't reach the target and falls in the wrong place? That's why there are firing ranges and even missile training at them, conducted with low-power warhead substitutes, with no more explosive than a good projectile, just to mark the impact site. Or they simply limit themselves to a blank, which makes a normal crater at hypersonic speed.
  2. -4
    22 November 2024 11: 54
    Will the Oreshnik strike lead to a repeat of the “missile” confrontation between the USSR and the USA in the 80s?
    Did Vanguard, Sormat, Poseidon, and Burevestnik lead to such a confrontation?
    Remember the statement of Russia on 3.01.2022 as part of the "nuclear five" which, in addition to China, includes the United States, Great Britain and France: "... consider their primary responsibility to be the prevention of war between states possessing nuclear weapons and the reduction of strategic risks."
    Apparently, the Russian government has been a colonial administration of the United States since 1991.
    It is for this reason that Russia allowed the US/Great Britain to prepare for a war of NATO countries and Japan to destroy itself without interference and to create on its territory (!) a bridgehead for NATO to seize the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant.
    This is precisely why Russia "threatens" NATO and the US/UK without endangering them or ruining its own destruction plan.
    The only thing the US/UK fear is the Russian people, who might rebel and ruin the plan for their safe destruction in a European slaughterhouse.
  3. 0
    22 November 2024 11: 55
    It is unclear what the Americans were hoping for when they pulled out of the treaty? That our "economy is in tatters" and we won't be able to reproduce the INF Treaty? The Yankees have screwed up!
    1. -2
      22 November 2024 12: 37
      there is still plenty of hope for that))) for the power of Green Card and the beauty of Miami beaches
  4. 0
    22 November 2024 11: 56
    Now, after the "Hazelnut" strike, the Republican who will return to the White House on January 20, 2025, may change his mind.
    Are we going to cut up the missiles again?
  5. -4
    22 November 2024 12: 00
    America doesn't really need the RSDs as much as we do. Pershings were created for Europe, but they are useless for America itself, who will they use them against? But the USSR was surrounded by NATO and other vassals. So it's still a question of who benefited - the USSR or the USA?
    1. -1
      22 November 2024 12: 36
      Quote: forester
      America doesn't really need the RSDs as much as we do. Pershings were created for Europe, but they are useless for America itself, who will they use them against? But the USSR was surrounded by NATO and other vassals. So it's still a question of who benefited - the USSR or the USA?

      fool fool fool
      And you ask the USSR: who benefited?
      Publish the answer here. wink
      1. 0
        22 November 2024 12: 41
        Why ask, if it's clear from my comment. I wrote above that the Americans didn't really need them, but the USSR was left with nothing. Or do you need me to explain it in more detail?
  6. -1
    22 November 2024 12: 01
    It will definitely lead to it, no matter what. Capitalism in principle does not know how to resolve contradictions except through war. Another thing is that this time, I think, the West will lose. The balance of power is no longer the same.
  7. +2
    22 November 2024 12: 02
    The frantic measurement of length and thickness and comparison of goodness in the mirror began!
    Our opponents constantly ask themselves: "Will it mmmmmm...hit?!" and are inclined to believe that it will hit. Their mantras about China and India condemning Russia, in such a development of the situation will already be past history in which the Earth will be different!
    Which one? Nobody knows, but the history of the Earth will begin anew.
    I don’t think that anyone over there dreams about this and I hope that in the environment of an old and sick person there will be those who will make the right decision.
  8. +3
    22 November 2024 12: 08
    The Soviet RSD-10 Pioneer missile, which entered service in 1976, was a modernized and more powerful version of the R-12 missile.

    Before writing something like that, you should really look into the essence of the issue. The R-12 and RSD-10 have only one common classification - MRBM.
  9. 0
    22 November 2024 12: 19
    Adopted into service in 1983, the missile had a range of up to 1770 kilometers, limiting its impact to the European theater of war.

    And if we also remember where the NATO/OVD confrontation line was in 1983, then yes, only the European theatre of military operations. wink
  10. -2
    22 November 2024 12: 53
    The appearance of the Pioneers caused serious concern in the United States and NATO. Soviet missiles could be launched virtually undetected, threatening the United States’ European allies and undermining the strategic balance. The deployment of Pershing IIs and cruise missiles in Europe was a retaliatory measure, further raising tensions.

    The essence of the US plans is the destruction of a socialist state (the USSR) by someone else's hands. They were not going to fight on their own territory. That is why they "went berserk" when Soviet missiles suddenly appeared in Cuba, bringing with their appearance EXACTLY THIS POSSIBILITY.
    * * *
    To act in a mirror is wonderful...
    Let's create a situation where, when American weapons destroy Russian resources, American infrastructure will be destroyed by Russian weapons.
    This will be a mirror response...
  11. +1
    22 November 2024 15: 30
    How the whole world got excited about a new broom made from a nearby hazel tree, working at a speed of 10 Mach! I should probably run out for some popcorn.
  12. 0
    22 November 2024 15: 31
    I think the answer from "Oreshnik" to the presumptuous NATO members is quite sufficient. Clearly understandable.
    At the same time, the current situation can be briefly described as follows: NATO countries began to launch missile strikes against Russia from the territory of Ukraine, hiding behind a fig leaf in the form of Ukrainian drivers who would move the missile chassis into firing positions.
    Perhaps, if they don't have enough nuts, we don't need to bother our heads too much, but to respond in kind. It was reported that in the liberated territories of the Kharkov region there are units of the Ukrainian army fighting neo-Nazis who seized power in the country.
    We have the same right to help Ukrainian patriots as NATO members. And the fact that we still haven’t helped them with long-range weapons is a shortcoming that can be urgently corrected. So that Ukrainians who have not reconciled themselves to the Nazi coup d’état can not only “shoot down arrows, but also hit archers” who are in Europe and, possibly, the United States.
    Thus, it turns out that Ukrainians will be able to strike at the organizers and sponsors of the civil war in their homeland from Ukrainian territory. And there will be no Russian drivers in this equipment, just as there will be no NATO drivers in Western equipment.
    So everything is fair: what goes around comes around.
    I'm sure no one will argue with this.
    It only remains to wish the missilemen of the Ukrainian People's Army success in their high professionalism.
    1. -1
      22 November 2024 17: 29
      The idea is not bad, but there are some obstacles:
      1. The range of the missiles that Ukraine has is not enough to reach the USA, and the Americans don’t give a damn about their NATO slaves - they themselves are throwing them into the fire of war with us.
      2. The colonial administration of the USA/Great Britain, sitting (apparently) in Moscow since 1991, will not act in this way towards the metropolis and its vassals.
  13. -1
    22 November 2024 16: 54
    To fulfill the treaty, 1846 Soviet missiles, including the Pioneers, and 846 American ones were destroyed.
    Such an "equal" number is a clear victory for Gorbachev and Shevardnadze's diplomacy. It's a pity that no one was found who could give them a good slap on the wrist
  14. 0
    23 November 2024 12: 35
    Quote: Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
    The frantic measurement of length and thickness and comparison of goodness in the mirror began!
    Our opponents constantly ask themselves: "Will it mmmmmm...hit?!" and are inclined to believe that it will hit. Their mantras about China and India condemning Russia, in such a development of the situation will already be past history in which the Earth will be different!
    Which one? Nobody knows, but the history of the Earth will begin anew.
    I don’t think that anyone over there dreams about this and I hope that in the environment of an old and sick person there will be those who will make the right decision.


    "I don't think that anyone over there dreams about this, and I hope that in the environment of an old and sick person there will be those who will make the right decision."

    Age affects a person in the same way for them and for us. It makes them older.
    Whether the decision is right or wrong will only become clear in 50-70 years.
  15. 0
    24 November 2024 12: 00
    A new joke on this topic: VVP told the military about new missiles at a meeting of representatives from the Russian Ministry of Defense, our military was shocked by what they heard, the commander-in-chief of the Strategic Missile Forces resigned due to nervous stress as an incompetent person.