"Nut" was needed the day before yesterday

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"Nut" was needed the day before yesterday


Dnepropetrovsk first


Watching footage of Storm Shadows flying over residents of Kursk's Maryino was both painful and embarrassing. If ATACMS achieved their goals in the Bryansk region with heavy losses, then the winged missiles, for the most part, worked as expected. And also Drone The Ukrainian Armed Forces recorded the results in the sky.



Vladimir Putin said on November 21 that it was in Maryino that NATO strikes were weapons resulted in human casualties:

"As a result of the attack and anti-aircraft combat, there are, unfortunately, casualties, deaths and injuries among the personnel of the external security units of the facility and service personnel. The command and operational staff of the control point were not injured and are carrying out, in the normal mode, the management of the actions of our troops to destroy and expel enemy units from the Kursk region."


Ukrainian Rocket Development Center Yuzhmash Became a Legitimate Target for Russia's New Product, Oreshnik

Many commentators after the tragic events of November 19 and 20 — the dates of the attacks on the Bryansk and Kursk regions, respectively — considered the incident a real pretext for war. Casus belli for a global apocalypse. Russia's updated nuclear deterrence strategy came in very handy, although it does not directly indicate nuclear retaliation in the event of similar actions by the enemy. It does not contain any direct calls for action at all — only formulations that allow for various interpretations. And an important point is that the decision on a retaliatory or counter-attack nuclear strike is made by the president. Therefore, all speculation about nuclear strikes in response was unnecessary. As was the conduct of demonstrative nuclear tests on Novaya Zemlya or in neutral waters.

For a country like Russia, this would be a demonstration of impotence. And this is the last thing we needed now. We needed a non-trivial answer like air. And World War III cannot be unleashed because of the crazy Biden, and Zelensky needs to be reminded of the balance of power that is far from in his favor. The very first shots of burning stones falling on the Dnepropetrovsk Yuzhmash left no doubt - the enemy got something new. The main news the first hours there was a sensation: “Russia was the first in stories used an intercontinental ballistic missile." But isn't it too much for Zelensky to use such an expensive weapon to demonstrate his intentions?


According to one version, the Oreshnik was developed on the basis of the RSD-80 Pioneer medium-range missile system, which was destroyed in the late 1s.

That was the first argument. The second was that the launch of the ICBM had to be clearly coordinated with the Americans and their satellites. Otherwise, the satellite early warning system for a nuclear attack would have raised many questions for the US military command. No one in their right mind would have wasted an expensive missile, even with inert warheads. Washington and London would love such toys. And when it leaked to the press that the launch was carried out from the Kapustin-Yar test site in Astrakhan, everything fell into place - the 800-kilometer section to Dnepropetrovsk is clearly not enough for the ICBM to work. Of course, the Iskander was not capable of this in principle. Perhaps only its prototypes, but even they could not carry so many warheads at once. According to Ukrainian sources, the product covered the distance from the Astrakhan region to Dnepropetrovsk in just six minutes. That is, the average speed on the trajectory was about 8000 km/h. This is a good hypersonic, which is useless to fight. Vladimir Putin dispelled doubts - meet our "Oreshnik".

As one blogger put it regarding the product's separating warheads:

"It's good that they're not nuclear, it's a pity that they're inert."

"Nut" was needed yesterday


Russia's lack of intermediate- and shorter-range missiles is the main disappointment of the special operation. Gorbachev's destructive activity and attempts to negotiate with the West in a good way led to the signing of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty in 1987. Let us emphasize that we are talking about ground-based complexes - aviation and the naval systems remained operational. The parties observed the treaty until 2019, when America acquired what they considered to be “silver bullets.” Over time, they evolved into the Typhon (medium-range) and PrSM (short-range) systems. Russia formally remained alone and did not have its own missiles with a range of 500 to 5000 kilometers.

Not bound by any agreements, similar products have long been acquired in India, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, South and even North Korea. Just not in Russia. And for a special operation, ground-based missile systems of this format would be very useful. Everyone knows that every takeoff of Kalibr carriers and other air-launched missiles causes serious excitement in Ukraine. As well as the launch of Kalibr from the sea, which the enemy knows about almost in advance. NATO intelligence abundantly and promptly supplies Zelensky with data on such activities. Now it will be much more difficult.


The American analogue of the Oreshnik, the Typhon complex, has long been ready for combat use and will soon appear in Europe.

Firstly, ground systems are much more difficult to detect. Secondly, these are hypersonic devices that can shoot through all of Ukraine in a matter of minutes. However, why only Ukraine? Now not a single "hawk" in Europe can sleep peacefully. If earlier he could be warned by an air raid siren about imminent death, now everything will pass quickly and without unnecessary worries. At the moment, there is not a single evidence of the destruction of hypersonic weapons in combat conditions. All the tales of Banderites about the all-powerful Patriot against the "Daggers" are worth nothing. Moreover, tracking the launch of the "Oreshnik" is much more difficult than tracking the "Dagger" carrier and waiting for it to appear in the skies of Ukraine.

It is difficult to predict the political consequences of the events of the evening of November 21. It is only clear that for the first time since February 24.02.2024, XNUMX, Russia responded so decisively to aggression against sovereignty. It is possible to predict the response to the strikes on Yuzhmash among Western politicians only in two aspects. The first is that the Americans are in conditional chocolate, since the Oreshnik is unlikely to strike them. Perhaps Alaska and some military bases outside the United States, but this does not count. The second aspect is that the Oreshnik will reach any European. And Boris Johnson, and Starmer, and Macron. Based on these inputs, NATO will plan its further activities. However, the enemy must have heard rumors about the development of Oreshnik-class products in Russia. Perhaps this is why Poland opened another target for the missile system, disguising it in Redzikowo as the Aegis Ashore missile defense system?

But let's leave the irony aside and try to imagine how events will develop in the Ukrainian Armed Forces after the magnificent debut of "Oreshnik". No one is able to provide protection, and even if someone did, the chances of it being delivered are zero. Firstly, they will destroy the multi-billion dollar property fairly quickly, and secondly, they will inevitably find the key to a breakthrough and suppression. As in the case of the European Union, the Banderites will not be able to feel free even in Western Ukraine. Recently, the frequency of successful attacks by the Russian Army on military facilities in this region has decreased somewhat. Not because everything worthy has been destroyed, but because of the gradual saturation Defense Ukraine. Now the grace is over.

Finally, the most important thing in this story is that Zelensky will have to be hidden even deeper underground. Even for inert warheads flying at a speed of 9-10 thousand kilometers per hour, it makes no difference in which of the Kyiv shelters the main Banderite is sitting. But this is already a purely political decision, and it will be made exclusively by President Vladimir Putin. Now he also has the "Oreshnik" in his arsenal for such purposes. Better late than never.
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  1. +13
    22 November 2024 04: 38
    Now he also has the "Nut" in his arsenal for such purposes.
    One nut arrived...
    And how much I seethe in the world. And if a couple of hazel bushes fly in, then what will happen! bully
    1. +46
      22 November 2024 04: 49
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      One nut arrived...
      And how much I seethe in the world. And if a couple of hazel bushes fly in, then what will happen!

      A dummy missile flew in, but it hit a secondary target.
      The Americans and NATO were not harmed.
      Biden responded to Putin that he does not intend to slow down the escalation...so the political blow from Oreshek was in vain. I noticed one PECULIARITY...that all of Mr. Putin's responses do not seriously affect the security of NATO and the United States...very interesting.
      He didn’t even respond in any way for the explosion of SP1, 2.
      He frowns menacingly, makes various Chinese warnings, but in reality does not create any serious threats to our enemies.
      The same thing happened with Oreshek, NATO forces are hitting our cities with NATO weapons, and the response comes to completely unrelated places...how is that possible? request
      I get the impression that our mob and plebs are being taken for a ride.
      1. 0
        22 November 2024 05: 42
        Yes, it is beautiful, yes, it attracted attention... Using one "Oreshnik" product costs an order of magnitude or more than using an "Iskander". And they cannot be produced in significant quantities, I believe - in the region of 100.

        "Yuzhny" should have been long gone, and the arrival of blanks is an expensive and weak argument. It's like the ICBM mockups at parades in the Khrushchev era, revealed by Penkovsky.

        Putin's speech is important for only one thing - Russia will not use nuclear weapons in response to this new round of attacks on Russia. There is "Oreshnik", and everyone saw that it is supposedly invulnerable.
      2. +28
        22 November 2024 05: 45
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        I get the impression that our mob and plebs are being taken for a ride.

        That's how it is, there is just a substitution of concepts. On November 19, NATO struck Russia with ATACMS missiles and then Storm Shadow... target designation, control of the complexes, flight mission, etc. all this was controlled by NATO specialists and decisions were made in Western countries.

        How did Russia respond to NATO? Yesterday evening I read about VVP's speech, who in response struck Yuzhmash in Ukraine, in connection with this I have questions.... Did this hurt the West? NATO will no longer use long-range missiles, can we breathe a sigh of relief? Did NATO suffer the deserved punishment for its actions?

        If the strike by the "Oreshnik" had hit NATO military infrastructure in the Baltics, Poland, then it would have been a truly worthy response and the most important warning that next time there will be other targets on NATO territory, in the event of continued attacks on Russian cities, but this way they simply substituted concepts, dispersed the media effect... I doubt that the Western elites will be afraid for themselves, with such strikes on Ukraine (since they know that it will not hit them).
        1. +1
          22 November 2024 11: 30
          Dear Aleksandr21!
          I agree with you completely, but there are some clarifications:
          1. The combat use of a cutting-edge munition was demonstrated. Similar weapons exist, and in large quantities, in China (it is unclear against whom they are planned to be used - at least, several years ago - against us), in the USA (here, certainly against us and, in the near future, against China), in India, Pakistan, Iran... That is, the long-standing "peace-loving" mistake of our leadership, which hoped for common sense and consideration of our interests by the States, has been corrected. Great - finally, a worthy weapon has appeared, but how much of it is available? Has it been launched into large-scale production? In addition, this complex is too expensive to throw blanks!
          2. The West, naturally, was not scared at all. On the contrary! After all, something completely different was promised - for the fact that Western specialists, using their military structure, are hitting Russia with their missiles - they were promised to punish them. After all, they are directly fighting against us! But again, everything remained in words. And such a familiar reaction of the guarantor and those who stand behind him - a direct proposal to escalate the conflict - after all, there is no declared punishment! Such behavior can be explained either by the fact that:
          a) we are not yet in a position to respond to the West in a painful manner, because the military industry has been significantly destroyed, personnel are lost and we are not in a position to quickly and in large quantities produce high-tech weapons in large series;
          b) we still hope, despite everything, to make peace with the West.
          The statement about warning the Ukies about the locations of the strikes is also confusing... Why is that???
          I would like to see this same munition used to immediately, without waiting for any reaction from the West, to destroy important tunnels and bridges through which the main supplies of weapons to the Ukrainians are carried out and which for some reason we could not destroy with the means we had...
          1. +7
            22 November 2024 12: 20
            the military industry is pretty much destroyed, personnel are lost
            Industry was destroyed not only in the 90s. Nothing has been done over the last 20 years to restore industry and create personnel.
            1. +8
              22 November 2024 12: 40
              Of course, the drunkard EBN started the robbery and destruction of industry, the destruction of the people, and the current guarantor continued. He began to come to his senses only a few years ago, when he increasingly doubted that the Western thieving elite would accept him and our comprador elite as equals. And to restore what was destroyed and to catch up with the West that has gone ahead, even with a huge desire and the availability of opportunities, is a task for decades. In addition, a state with flourishing corruption, a shortage of qualified workers and specialists has finally been formed... And the latent destruction of the country continues with uncontrolled migration, hostile to the people...
          2. +6
            22 November 2024 12: 40
            Quote: Tikhonov_Alexander
            Similar means exist, and in large quantities, in China (it is just not clear against whom they are planned to be used - at least, several years ago - against us), in the USA (here, certainly against us and, in the near future, against China), in India, Pakistan, Iran...

            Do you seriously think that they all have a ton of hypersonic medium-range ballistic missiles with a speed of Mach 10???
            1. -1
              22 November 2024 12: 56
              I wrote that a state-of-the-art munition was used. But it is only possible that China and Iran have developed missiles with supersonic speeds - and hardly like ours... I meant that the countries listed have had medium-range ballistic missiles for a long time. And we still haven't had them - after this class of missiles was destroyed with a marked...
              1. +3
                22 November 2024 13: 10
                Quote: Tikhonov_Alexander
                The countries listed have had medium-range ballistic missiles for a long time. And we still haven't had them.

                Yes, the new Oreshnik is ballistic. Yes, this is something new in this class for us.
                But in general we have a decent amount of MSD missiles. And the Tsirkons and Kinzhals, even without being ballistic, are very serious weapons that frighten the West.
                1. 0
                  22 November 2024 13: 12
                  Dear Peter!
                  Read more carefully - I wrote specifically about ballistic missiles, and not any other missiles...
                  1. 0
                    22 November 2024 13: 13
                    So, in essence, I confirmed your thesis. hi
                    I just mean that, in addition to ballistic missiles, we have something to punch a hole in NATO's head with :)))))))
                    1. 0
                      22 November 2024 13: 26
                      I agree. Only, it seems, the West is not so afraid of our missiles. Unfortunately, our top brass constantly lacks the will to give an adequate and equivalent response - it almost always ends in chatter... Someone called our guarantor a multi-move player - and, indeed, he, like a chess player, waits for his opponent's move and responds, mostly, with words. Too bad! In the current case, it is just a reason to continue the response that has been started, and not wait for the enemy to respond... Then, perhaps, the West will understand something... And think three times before doing something nasty.
          3. 0
            22 November 2024 13: 50
            which for some reason we could not destroy with the means we had...
            special anti-bridge missiles evaporate right from the warehouses due to their ineffectiveness. Besides, the Americans can call a destroyed bridge a martyr and that's it, we are very afraid of martyrs, we can't sleep normally, and a person can't live without sleep request
          4. +1
            23 November 2024 18: 30
            I would like to see this same munition used to immediately, without waiting for any reaction from the West, to destroy important tunnels and bridges through which the main supplies of weapons to the Ukrainians are carried out and which for some reason we could not destroy with the means we had...

            There are important railway and road bridges across the river between Ukraine and Poland, the demonstrative destruction of which would lead to significant logistical problems, and would also show a little Kuzkina mother to the Poles and the European Union.
        2. +4
          22 November 2024 15: 46
          This doesn't hurt the West, but it is scary. Which was actually the purpose of the strike.
      3. 0
        22 November 2024 05: 51
        Do you need it to arrive with a special combat unit? It would wipe Dnepropetrovsk or, say, London off the face of the Earth. Completely. Absolutely.
        Dnepropetrovsk is too close for the special. The Englishwoman will continue to be a bully, and will fly in via Mi-6. Or we will say hello to the NATO Secretary General by dropping blanks on the ASML. And there will be no microprocessors in the world for the future. And then a tough war on sapper shovels and Kalashnikovs. Plus whether there will be a blank there is now NIPANYAtnaaa. And here's what is certain - both of them are definitely not a pity.
        1. +1
          22 November 2024 07: 41
          Quote: Last centurion
          Do you need it to arrive with a special combat unit? It would wipe Dnepropetrovsk or, say, London off the face of the Earth. Completely. Absolutely.
          Dnepropetrovsk is too close for the special. The Englishwoman will continue to be a bully, and will fly in via Mi-6. Or we will say hello to the NATO Secretary General by dropping blanks on the ASML. And there will be no microprocessors in the world for the future. And then a tough war on sapper shovels and Kalashnikovs. Plus whether there will be a blank there is now NIPANYAtnaaa. And here's what is certain - both of them are definitely not a pity.

          I need the bch to be about 500 kilos
        2. +1
          23 November 2024 00: 55
          And there will be no future in the world of microprocessors.
          With the technology, they are not that difficult to build.
      4. +19
        22 November 2024 07: 00
        "do not seriously affect the security of NATO and the United States..."
        That's the whole problem, they are fighting against us without any benefit to themselves, when a blow to Rzeszow was inevitable from the first deliveries of the Haimars.
      5. +16
        22 November 2024 07: 09
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        I get the impression that our mob and plebs are being taken for a ride.

        What is surprising, if the main agents of foreign influence, who have everything in the West and with the West, are the masters of Russia. Otherwise, "the king is made by the entourage", or more precisely, the "wedding general", behind whom stand the true puppeteers of big capital.
        1. +2
          22 November 2024 10: 04
          Well, let's say for the St. Petersburg trio of judokas, such a definition is not quite suitable. They are definitely not wedding generals. The most zealous were bent over and removed from the road, the rest are kept in tension. Although, of course, they should maintain balance. In an established system, where they are the main ones, it is better not to make any sudden moves and not to offend their accomplices in the oligarchy. I do not believe that they are controlled by outside forces.
          P.S.: This is true if we consider that the clan is united, as during the times of the great redistribution.
          1. +3
            22 November 2024 10: 10
            Quote: Essex62
            I don’t believe that they are controlled by outside forces.
            It is impossible to live in capitalism and be free from its laws and rules, and these laws and rules were not invented for colonies. Think about our Central Bank, and about where the money is flowing out of Russia, and whose money it is. Who "helped" us to draw up the new constitution, what has fundamentally changed in it now. This is only part of what and who is behind what is happening in capitalist Russia.
            1. +1
              22 November 2024 10: 12
              If you meant the puppeteers from there, then I completely agree. They have been in charge for 30 years. hi
              1. +3
                22 November 2024 10: 14
                Yes, about them, they rule, both our bad boys and in general.
      6. +2
        22 November 2024 09: 51
        Hype and shock value for the domestic audience
      7. +4
        22 November 2024 11: 31
        But how to answer when children, wives, mistresses, money, accounts, real estate, business rewritten to good people permanently residing abroad are located on the territory of opponents...
        1. -1
          22 November 2024 14: 09
          Well, you can take all this stuff away from the opponents' territory. But here it seems like heroin addicts can't just quit, and our guys can't take their wives and kids away from there. It seems like they're all complete henpecked husbands...
      8. +2
        22 November 2024 13: 20
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        He frowns menacingly, makes various Chinese warnings, but in reality does not create any serious threats to our enemies.

        He does not give up his.
      9. +2
        22 November 2024 21: 48
        Do you want a nuclear strike on NATO itself?
        Yuzhmash, where they assembled missiles, drones, and repaired NATO tanks - a "secondary" facility?
        The kinetic energy of a dummy flying towards a target at 11 times the speed of sound won't cause even greater destruction than a 500 kg aerial bomb?
    2. +17
      22 November 2024 06: 56
      And how much? What can/should this strike change? The already familiar strike somewhere on Ukrainian territory, an appeal specifically to Russian citizens in the spirit of "they're shooting at us, we're shooting back, and the Americans are to blame!"... Is anyone not used to the strikes on Ukraine? To loud speeches in the spirit of "don't touch me, I'm crazy"? And what flew there is also not so important, when was the first launch of the dagger? Did this stop anyone from doing anything?
    3. +3
      22 November 2024 15: 45
      Nothing will happen. There are many other things to use besides these missiles. And that the idiots will run and surrender, or Putin's respected partners will stop supplying weapons to the idiots. The war must be won, not shown concern.
      1. +3
        23 November 2024 00: 05
        "...there is a lot to apply..."

        Can you go into more detail from this point on? What else have we not used, besides SSBNs?
    4. 0
      23 November 2024 06: 28
      Hit them on the head with a hazelnut!
      hit them on the head with a hazelnut ...
      am am am am am am am am am am am am
      1. 0
        24 November 2024 07: 39
        Russian propaganda neural network frozen? Consequences of sanctions.
      2. 0
        24 November 2024 14: 30
        How many imbeciles have appeared on this once intellectual site?
  2. +42
    22 November 2024 04: 44
    I am a skeptical person, so I do not yet share the euphoria of many people in the neighboring branches who are already predicting a total victory, those people who recently laughed at the red lines, and yesterday already posted hurray patriotic pictures, shouted and here we are again on top, even politicians would envy such a change of shoes, but we are not talking about that now. The fact that we have good weapons is a plus, the fact that we at least somehow responded is a plus, but I am extremely unsure that this was enough. It all looks very impressive, but as always does not pose any threat, will there be an effect? ​​There will be, but temporary, as practice shows, our response is insufficient, and after the enemy takes a step back, the enemy immediately takes two steps forward. And you need to play in such a way that everyone around understands that the jokes are over, and you can play like an adult in both directions. There is no panic in the West, they, as always, took a break, and after analyzing the situation, strikes with Western weapons on our territory will continue. And the spear will climb into the bear's den again, the hunters are all alive and in a good mood, the bear is still growling, lazily waving his paw, but not showing aggression, it would be a sin not to continue.....
    1. +3
      22 November 2024 04: 57
      And the spear will climb into the bear's den again, the hunters are all alive and in a good mood, the bear is still growling, lazily waving his paw, but not showing aggression, it would be a sin not to continue.....

      So.
      1. +12
        22 November 2024 07: 15
        For the West, everything is fine, in essence, the Russians are killing Russians, destroying their territories, tearing up the economy. Everything is going according to plan, so soon the SVO will be comparable in terms of time to the Great Patriotic War, and maybe not only in terms of time, but also in terms of damage...
        1. +2
          22 November 2024 07: 18
          The point is that our GC hits the tails, and not the "hydra" itself.
      2. 0
        24 November 2024 07: 41
        That's right. As always, the bear will be brought down by Vanka the infantryman with a Kalashnikov.
    2. +5
      22 November 2024 17: 46
      And the spear will climb into the bear's den again, the hunters are all alive and in a good mood

      Well, actually there’s nothing to argue with.
      The most ironic thing was that:
      1. They fired foreign missiles at us, probably from F-16s, and we fired blanks at Dnepropetrovsk.
      2. The leader said that we will warn. Ordinary Ukrainians. Apparently, damn, SMS will be sent out from the Ministry of Emergency Situations. request
      And NATU too, because it happens automatically and is supposed to be that way.
      But we won’t mention the Ukrainian Armed Forces, this will remain a secret, mysterious mystery for them.
      3. And what the hell is this thing that's being drawn? Are we going to shoot it in an exemplary manner, purely for internal consumption?
  3. -14
    22 November 2024 04: 48
    Judging by how quickly they responded, most likely a couple of generals were probably shot at the Kursk facility sad
    1. +2
      22 November 2024 04: 56
      Quote from: nepunamemuk
      At the Kursk facility, a couple of generals were probably shot to death

      But how did the VSU know about this command post? They were aiming!
      1. +1
        22 November 2024 05: 23
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        How did the VSU know about this command post? They were aiming!

        Not the Ukrainians... but NATO members.
        NATO will have more powerful intelligence.
        1. +17
          22 November 2024 05: 29
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          . and NATO members.

          NATO missiles, NATO aimed and fired, and Yuzhmash received the response! This is a threatening warning with frowning eyebrows and metal in the voice! angry
          1. +3
            22 November 2024 11: 12
            The film is called "Night Fun". The husband went on a business trip. The wife invited the husband's boss to bed. The daughter caught her mom and called her dad. The dad arrived and saw all this and beat up the stranger. He wasn't going to beat up the boss. That's how they have fun in Russia now.
            1. PC
              0
              22 November 2024 22: 31
              These amusements are very expensive.
              1. 0
                23 November 2024 10: 58
                Food is expensive, fat cats get what they need.
                1. PC
                  0
                  23 November 2024 12: 20
                  That's what I'm talking about. It's the common people who suffer.
        2. +8
          22 November 2024 06: 49
          There was nothing to explore there.
          Sanatorium for the highest nomenclature of the USSR.
          Just in case, they made a shelter there to protect against nuclear weapons.
          Equipped with communications, etc.
          Well, it would have been a sin not to take advantage of the existing infrastructure and not organize a secure control center there.
          And to understand how it is currently being used, it is enough to look at a stray NATO satellite.
          Here another question arises - where is our air defense?
          1. +6
            22 November 2024 08: 04
            Quote: B-15
            Here another question arises - where is our air defense?
            If we spend expensive missiles on cheap drones, and the military-industrial complex, as well as industry as a whole, was optimized at one time, to give priority to resource traders, what can we ask...
            If thousands of Tomahawks fly at us, what will we shoot them down with? It's high time to put the economy on a war footing and increase the army, but this is not being done. Apparently, they hope to come to an agreement with their "partners", or simply hand over the country to an ultimatum, bringing things to a head.
            1. 0
              22 November 2024 12: 36
              let them not shoot down thousands of tomahawks
            2. +2
              22 November 2024 15: 49
              If thousands of axes fly, then what they are shot down with, in principle, is no longer important, what is important is that thousands of nuclear warheads will fly in response. And then the curtain.
              1. 0
                22 November 2024 22: 18
                The only sane voice at this rally of panickers and just plain stupid. They want Rzeszow, as if that would change anything. They can't see beyond their own noses.
                1. +2
                  23 November 2024 17: 33
                  It will change, it will make them afraid of the Russian response. And the response should be against those who hit our command post. The junk is already flying at the Khokhloma regularly. You can't scare NATO, they have to suffer losses. And they have to know who sent the money. Why not try against the same Rzeszow, but not with a special product.
              2. 0
                24 November 2024 04: 54
                Pioneer1984 But a thousand of them won't fly at once. They'll start with a couple, at an insignificant target, and then they'll mount up. "A frog is boiled slowly."
        3. +2
          22 November 2024 13: 33
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Quote from Uncle Lee
          How did the VSU know about this command post? They were aiming!

          Not the Ukrainians... but NATO members.
          NATO will have more powerful intelligence.

          To put it simply, "lovers of jam and packs of cookies, on complementary feeding" rule.
      2. +2
        22 November 2024 12: 35
        It is marked on maps on the Internet. It is the 21st century after all.
        1. 0
          22 November 2024 13: 21
          It doesn't say there that the generals are sitting.
          1. 0
            22 November 2024 13: 56
            Not designated. But the object itself exists.
        2. -1
          23 November 2024 18: 15
          There was no headquarters there.
          Well, if for example there will be obituaries today or tomorrow, then something can be explained. But as it is - it's a fake about the headquarters. There weren't even any military vehicles there, and they are also saying from the locals.
          1. +1
            24 November 2024 05: 02
            Quote: Olesya Lesya
            There weren't even any military vehicles there...

            Putin told you that military personnel were killed at the command post of the "North" group There is a guarded communications center there. And the fact that there are no military vehicles scurrying around is camouflage.
            1. -2
              24 November 2024 11: 29
              The guards were killed. And he clearly said that "there was no defeat of the headquarters, everyone is working." The headquarters could have been located in a completely different place. The khakhly started to disperse about the headquarters with 500 Koreans killed, with 10 Korean generals and ours.
      3. 0
        23 November 2024 06: 44
        But how did the ASU members know about this command post?

        Is it easy to hide a checkpoint that is located in the center of the urban-type settlement, and has been for many years? Every stray dog ​​there knows about it.
        Actually, it should have been closed 30 years ago.
    2. 0
      23 November 2024 18: 11
      The missile test was prepared in advance, it is measured not even in days, but in weeks. Kursk has nothing to do with it, it's just that the days coincided. No generals, much less the headquarters, were involved and none of them died. It's just better to say that there is a "reason". Although how much terror the West has committed against us - there is no need for a reason.
  4. +20
    22 November 2024 04: 58
    Finally, the most important thing in this story is that Zelensky will have to be hidden even deeper underground.

    Why hide him or should he hide, he regularly appears near the front, even appeared in the zone of destruction of barrel artillery. On our side, no actions were taken, and it is unlikely that any will be taken to eliminate him, because someone promised someone that they would not touch him. hi
    1. +15
      22 November 2024 08: 33
      In the spring of 24th he came to Kherson and our guys, dissatisfied with the fact that there is an order not to work on him, leaked photos of his motorcade in the sight of a drone. So he has no reason to hide, he can even spend the night in Sevastopol, they will let him through because there is an order not to touch this.
      1. +4
        22 November 2024 14: 49
        Quote from iommy
        In the spring of 24th he came to Kherson and our guys, dissatisfied with the fact that there is an order not to work on him, leaked photos of his motorcade in the sight of a drone. So he has no reason to hide, he can even spend the night in Sevastopol, they will let him through because there is an order not to touch this.

        That's what I'm writing about! You wrote it correctly too.
        Those in power don't give a damn about ordinary people, on either side.
        So what if more than a million men died, became disabled, and became incapacitated on both sides of the conflict!
        This is not a reason to destroy the top leadership of a hostile country that did everything to ensure that the conflict entered a hot phase, that for a decade cultivated hatred of Russians and Russia, hatred of its Soviet past, etc., etc.
        1. PC
          +2
          22 November 2024 22: 43
          Yes, and these men are just “superfluous people,” as one “wise” figure recently stated.
    2. 0
      22 November 2024 10: 51
      On our part, no action was taken to eliminate it, and it is unlikely that anything will be done, because someone promised someone that they would not touch it.

      It was exactly the same with Maskhadov in Chechnya. Everyone knew where he lived, but they didn't touch him, because there was an order not to touch him. After Beslan, when not only the people but also the officials in Moscow realized that he didn't control or decide anything, they removed him.
      I think the same is true for Zelensky.
    3. +5
      22 November 2024 15: 50
      If the goal had been to control the Kyiv elite, they would have joined Bandera long ago. This means that no one set such a goal.
      1. 0
        22 November 2024 16: 44
        Quote: Pioneer1984
        If the goal had been to control the Kyiv elite, they would have joined Bandera long ago. This means that no one set such a goal.

        What are you talking about? This is some news!
        That is, you read the dialogue above and do not see what people are writing about. what request
  5. +4
    22 November 2024 05: 24
    Finally, the most important thing in this story is that Zelensky will have to be hidden even deeper underground.
    But he is not legitimate.
  6. +19
    22 November 2024 05: 30
    A strike by a medium-range missile on a warehouse in Dnepropetrovsk is, of course, a powerful response from NATO. They showed their heroic strength. There are just a few small problems.
    1) Putin and K themselves drew "red lines" and said that the use of Western missiles on "old Russian territory" meant NATO entering the war and they would answer for it
    2) Also, the Russian authorities themselves spoke every other day about nuclear weapons, nuclear doctrines, etc.
    It is difficult to understand what the missile strike on a warehouse in Ukraine has to do with this, a strike about which the Russian authorities carefully warned their "terrible enemies" from NATO
    As for the reaction to this launch that the author discusses, there is no need to predict it. Here it is: "The United States notified Ukraine and its allies in advance in recent days about the upcoming launch of a ballistic missile by the Russian Federation in order to prepare for it," - White House spokesperson Karin Jean-Pierre
    P.S. Let me remind you of the basic things that should have been done if the Russian authorities were really opposing the Maidan regime, and did not want to resolve the misunderstanding that had arisen with their Western bosses.
    1) Conducting the operation in accordance with international law and the laws of the Russian Federation, without negotiations on the 4th day of the operation.
    2) Liquidation or capture of the Maidan authorities of Ukraine. Instead of mass extermination of the Russian and Ukrainian people with complete impunity for all officials and oligarchs in Ukraine.
    3) If necessary, elimination by any means of key communications (bridges, tunnels), etc.
    4) Also, if necessary, shutdown of key industrial and energy facilities from the very beginning of the operation.
    1. +14
      22 November 2024 05: 51
      Liquidation or capture of the Maidan authorities of Ukraine. Instead of mass extermination of the Russian and Ukrainian people with complete impunity for all officials and oligarchs in Ukraine.

      Our own, they won't touch our own.
      1. +8
        22 November 2024 08: 14
        More precisely, both are agents of foreign influence, and both (the oligarchs of Russia and Ukraine) have masters in the West. It turns out that for their billions in the West, the Abramovichs and Akhmetovs are destroying the Slavs, in fact, the Russians are killing the Russians. What didn't work with Hitler and his Third Reich as the anti-USSR is being successfully carried out by the "bad boys" who sold themselves into the bourgeoisie both in Russia and in Ukraine.
        1. +2
          22 November 2024 20: 48
          sold out to the bourgeoisie both in Russia and in Ukraine.
          All the bad boys from 15 republics have sold out to the bourgeoisie.
    2. +3
      22 November 2024 14: 46
      without negotiations on the 4th day of the operation
      negotiations were requested in the first hours, they offered again in Minsk. Zelya was freezing at first, but agreed to Istanbul. Where ours so cunningly agreed that they themselves fulfilled their part, and the other side, on the contrary
    3. -1
      23 November 2024 01: 18
      Do you have precise data that the strike was on a warehouse, not a production facility? Let me ask - from whom did you receive this data? The West will answer, of course. But a quick, expected, obvious answer is the answer of nervous, touchy young men. They notified so that some poorly trained or nervous soldier at the control panel of the SPRN system in the USA would not mistake the launch of Oreshnik for the launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile with the corresponding consequences. Moreover, this warning could not in any way prevent the execution of the task. Do you have, in addition to the thesis from the manual that the Russian authorities and Western bosses have REAL evidence of this, and not a list of shortcomings of the authorities (in your opinion from your trench or couch) and a list of wishes (without explanations of how to implement them)?
      1. 0
        23 November 2024 11: 08
        And whose manual is it? This is about the bosses of our oligarchy. Probably Uncle Zyu handed it out to everyone on the sofa. No, not a comrade, whoever has eyes will see. For three decades now, everything has been going according to the script written across the puddle, back in the days of the USSR. They destroyed it, now they rule through local compradors.
  7. +3
    22 November 2024 05: 50
    The author did not mention an interesting point.
    What is the CEP of Oreshnik? And does it make sense to fire somewhere without a nuclear warhead with such a CEP?
    If the usual 150 meters...
    1. +7
      22 November 2024 06: 13
      This is what a MIRV with submunitions is for. If 150 cores of depleted uranium or tungsten fly into a KVO radius of 6 m, then everything within a radius of 300-600 meters will be destroyed.
      Meteorites also do not carry explosives, but due to their mass and speed, the power of their explosions is measured in kilotons and megatons.
      1. +1
        22 November 2024 14: 54
        within a radius of 300-600 meters everything will be destroyed.
        Meteorites also do not carry explosives, but due to their mass and speed, the power of their explosions is measured in kilotons and megatons.
        the density of the meteorite is an order of magnitude less than the density of uranium, the meteorite will slam down and release all the energy, and the core will break through the ground at a depth of 200-300 m. It can be compared to a blow with a hammer and a thrust with a sword.
      2. -1
        22 November 2024 18: 17
        It’s not enough to have energy; you also have to transmit it.
        By the way, this is one of the problems with nuclear weapons.
        So, it is practically impossible to transfer energy to the surrounding warhead with a diameter of half a meter.
        Well, to break through to the point of being impossible - that's true.
    2. -3
      22 November 2024 06: 30
      It’s not at all clear what kind of complex this is and where it came from.
      Or it is not a complex, but a missile with special (non-serial) performance characteristics, launched from some standard launcher, for example, Topol.
      1. +4
        22 November 2024 06: 42
        Most likely, this is one of the results of the work carried out on the topic of "Shlyambur", about which there was a controlled leak through Dancomm, widely known in narrow circles, in 2015

        "At present, research on the ongoing operational-strategic and technical aspects of the creation of high-precision strategic missile weapons (HPMSW) has been practically completed. A number of research and development projects substantiate the military-strategic feasibility of creating HPMSW with new equipment, including a penetrating warhead in both nuclear and conventional (non-nuclear) equipment and in ultra-low-yield nuclear equipment. The threat of use or limited phased use of HPMSW under certain conditions can deter the opposing side from unleashing or escalating aggression against the Russian Federation using conventional weapons and ultra-low-yield nuclear weapons. The deterrent is the ability to inflict damage on the enemy, depending on the developing military-strategic situation - in a local, regional or large-scale war, by guaranteed destruction of strategic objects in areas inaccessible to general-purpose forces.

        This direction consists in the creation of controlled weapons of destruction (USP) on an interspecific basis with the maximum use of the available scientific, technical and technological resources and existing key components in organizations of industry and the Russian Ministry of Defense.

        The USP data will be part of reconnaissance-strike complexes with precision intellectualized control systems of a new generation, which will ensure the defeat of highly protected stationary, and in the future, mobile targets under the influence of anti-aircraft defense systems, radio and optical and electronic countermeasures of the enemy.

        The use of VTRSO with new ones, including penetrating USP, implies their use in single and group launches, and therefore saturation of the missile defense system with false targets cannot be the only means of overcoming the territorial or object missile defense system. It is important to reduce the visibility of combat equipment in the ranges of operation of the means of detecting and targeting missile defense and air defense systems, as well as the possibility of circumventing the affected areas or reducing the time spent in these areas.

        This task can be successfully solved with the help of a USP based on a modular hypersonic winged vehicle (MGUKA), one version of which is currently being tested, and a detachable homing striking element (SPE).

        Along with the capabilities of MGUKA and SPE, bypassing the zones affected by the missile defense system, the necessary conditions are provided for the operation of satellite and special navigation systems and an integrated multi-band optical-electronic correction and homing system in the final part of the trajectory. The proposed construction of MGUKA provides delivery of EIT in a given area with the required parameters of its movement and their separation at high speed pressures. At the site of the marching flight of the maneuvering MGUKA, its trajectory is corrected using navigation systems and a radio altimeter.

        After separation, the POC performs an autonomous controlled flight to the target area, where conditions for the functioning of finishing guidance systems in the final part of the trajectory are provided.

        SPE is created on the basis of the existing scientific and technical reserve for air-to-surface missiles, maneuvering blocks, etc., created within the frameworks of the “Fint”, “Zigzag”, “Bolid”, etc. The integrated multirange correction and homing system together with the navigation system provides high-precision guidance of the EIT on the target, practically, in any conditions of application at strategic and medium distances.

        A self-guided striking element, depending on specific tasks, can be equipped with a penetrating element with a specialized non-nuclear warhead, or modifications of low- and ultra-low-power nuclear weapons. For the "heavy" ICBM, an original design of MGUKA and SPE was proposed, with charges of increased and large power classes, ensuring the defeat of particularly significant highly protected objects.

        According to preliminary estimates, the nuclear and conventional versions of the warhead, due to the high accuracy of delivery, the special design of the combat compartment and the SPE penetrator, ensure the destruction of strategic targets buried in the ground to a depth of 30-100 m, the destruction of the interior of targets of the "reinforced concrete bunker" type with a total thickness of reinforced concrete shelter up to 5-12 m.

        The analysis showed that the proposed heat-shielding design of MGUKA, the trajectory features of the flight of MGUKA and SPE, and the active and passive PCB components that make up the combat completeness make it possible to effectively overcome a promising air defense system even with single missile launches.

        At present, given the special significance of these works, their integration is being carried out at 4 Central Research Institutes within the framework of the special topic "Shlyambur", which combines the backlog of many R&D projects - "Nonius", "Zigzag", "Oval", "Capsule", "Yars", "Sarmat", "Avangard", "Kontsessiya", "Rosbor", "Iskander", the integrated target programs "Rapira" and "Gipersound", a number of other topics with the aim of maximum use of existing (developed) key components of the VTRSO.

        The use of proven technical solutions in this version of combat equipment will reduce technical risk and significantly reduce the costs of developing combat equipment for the prospective military-technical and military-technical defense system."
        1. +4
          22 November 2024 07: 45
          Link to stu on VO
          https://topwar.ru/80035-razmyshleniya-na-temu-obsuzhdeniya-proekta-4202-v-zarubezhnyh-smi.html
      2. +1
        24 November 2024 07: 37
        It really does look like a sawed-off Pioneer.
  8. +13
    22 November 2024 05: 58
    From the article - "Now not a single "hawk" in Europe can sleep peacefully." Too far-fetched. Why would "hawks" in Europe "not sleep peacefully"?
  9. +15
    22 November 2024 06: 12
    The impressions are like deja vu.
    First NATO launches its Marshall Harris style "Air Offensive", and Putin responds with a Vergeltungswaffe strike, a reincarnation of the V-2.
    There were two important lessons that everyone learned from World War II:
    - terror of the enemy population leads to unity and increased resistance;
    - it is impossible to win a war remotely, and all kinds of demonstrations of cruelty are insignificant compared to the competent conduct of military operations.
    The fact that we have a certain medium-range complex "Oreshnik" in our arsenal is great, but it is not a panacea. We are not capable of producing such complexes in hundreds, and missiles for them in tens of thousands. This wunderwaffe will not be able to curtail military production in the USA, Europe, Japan, South Korea, nor ensure a rapid offensive in Ukraine.
    So I repeat:
    - our victory is a strategic offensive in Ukraine and the Baltics with an exit to the former border of the USSR using the entire necessary arsenal of means;
    - their victory - an escalation of the conflict throughout Eastern Europe with a massive transfer of US troops from the Continent.
    And to repeat the figures of speech of peacetime about "mirroring of responses" in the current circumstances is an anachronism. The winner will be right - the one who will be able to forestall, catch on a mistake, strike at the right time in the right place.
    1. +2
      22 November 2024 08: 25
      - our victory is a strategic offensive in Ukraine and the Baltics with an exit to the former border of the USSR using the entire necessary arsenal of means;
      So why haven't we attacked for three years? Is the fifth column in the way? Or the sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, etc. If in Donetsk, as Staver and Fedorov write, we have been grinding down the elite of the Ukrainian Armed Forces for years in a row, then probably there is no elite in the other regions, it's high time for a strategic offensive "with thundering fire, sparkling with the shine of steel, the Armatas will go on a furious campaign" (c)... wink
      1. -1
        22 November 2024 08: 34
        It’s paradoxical, but you are right about the main thing - if they are near Donetsk, then they are not in Rivne.
        This is the outline of a general (aka strategic) offensive. But its provision is in immobilizing the enemy's reserves and completely disrupting its logistics. And here you can't do without "Oreshniks" with the right stuffing and other useful devices. And the price of such a throw will be considerable.
    2. +4
      22 November 2024 10: 19
      - our victory is a strategic offensive in Ukraine and the Baltics with an exit to the former border of the USSR using the entire necessary arsenal of means;


      This is not a victory, these are problems for future generations and more mines, victory is when Russian planes are bought all over the world, when you and I are having a discussion on computers/smartphones made in Russia, with Russian processors, when Russian films are eagerly awaited all over the world and shown in cinemas, and now there is a usual imperialist conflict.
      1. 0
        22 November 2024 11: 22
        All your good wishes are cut short by a simple "Shut up!" from Washington and an interest rate from the IMF. The one with power can allow you to do something only if it is in his interests. And fairy tales about free competition and international law are long dead.
        1. -2
          22 November 2024 11: 47
          Is it the IMF that prevents people from making normal cars, for example?
          1. -1
            23 November 2024 15: 34
            If you worked in the industrial sector, especially in high-value processing, then tell us how to conduct the necessary R&D and carry out comprehensive technical re-equipment of existing enterprises/construction of new ones from scratch without attracting loans. Even with state financing, this does not always work out.
            1. 0
              23 November 2024 16: 15
              AvtoVAZ was given huge sums without any loans, all this talk about the rate is now just "excuses"
              1. -1
                23 November 2024 17: 17
                Yeah, only foreign management was in charge with the goal of ruining the enterprise. And the shareholders were not against moving from Russia to Cyprus and Belgravia, cashing in on state support.
                1. 0
                  23 November 2024 17: 29
                  And where was the domestic management?
                  1. 0
                    23 November 2024 17: 34
                    I do not understand the question?
                    The management was hired for the task of developing a modern line of passenger cars by the Council of Shareholders with the participation of a civil servant responsible for the national project (or whatever else they have there).
                    When this Franco-Swede was kicked out for failure, he openly admitted in the press that he was hired by the Europeans to bankrupt AvtoVAZ and bring promising developments to a technological dead end. So everything is according to Feng Shui.
                    1. 0
                      23 November 2024 18: 09

                      When this Franco-Swede was kicked out for failure, he openly admitted in the press that he had been hired by the Europeans to bankrupt AvtoVAZ and drive promising developments into a technological dead end


                      Can you give me a link where he said this?
                      1. 0
                        23 November 2024 18: 31
                        I won't look for it, it's been around for ten years. But it was widely covered in the media. And the whole world of profit is like that, they kick each other too. And our businessmen are no better than them, only most of them are dishonest.
                      2. 0
                        23 November 2024 18: 51
                        Well, what was in the media is not an indicator at all, and so there is no way to substantiate your words, but in fact, after the arrival of Western management, AvtoVAZ began to make cars similar to modern ones. And also about Bo Andersson, "evil tongues" say that when he came, he began to cut nepotism and inadequate payments to top managers.
      2. +2
        22 November 2024 20: 15
        Russian planes are really bought for billions of dollars. Components for computers and smartphones are manufactured by many countries. There are no factories for manufacturing smartphones in Russia, the USA or Europe.
        1. 0
          23 November 2024 18: 52
          The US and Europe have something better - the technologies on which the rest of the world depends.
          1. 0
            24 November 2024 07: 35
            Wars are won by infantry. As one general said: "These idiots think that wars are won by bombing."
            1. 0
              24 November 2024 11: 29
              It may only be a question of cost, in the case of suppressing enemy air defense and air dominance, it is much easier for infantry to win.
      3. +2
        23 November 2024 03: 31
        Don't bother, you are arguing with people who think that the reason for the problems is that "those over there are bothering us, hiding behind their borders. And that means if there are no neighbors, because of whom, as it seems to me, I have problems, then the problems themselves will disappear." Economics, consequences, cause-and-effect relationships - for such people this is something unidentified and invisible, something that does not exist, because these are just fairy tales.
        And propagandists from both sides so often threw out individual, convenient for them, quotes from the classics of the 20th century, that now many people perceive under "imperialist war" only the policy of one country. Russia or the USA, depending on which media we listen to. And no one, in any country, will say what "imperialist war" is. Because to explain means to reveal themselves (the leadership of the leading world economies) as one of the reasons for the political and economic crisis going on all over the planet Earth.
    3. -4
      22 November 2024 11: 09
      The Baltics are in NATO, forget about it already.
      1. -1
        22 November 2024 11: 18
        NATO is not salvation at all, but only an illusion of security. A tool in the hands of the US and at the same time expendable material.
        1. +2
          23 November 2024 03: 33
          It is also a collective security treaty, whereby an attack on one NATO member country is perceived as an attack on the entire bloc.
          1. -1
            23 November 2024 15: 01
            Officially, yes.
            And so, everything is decided according to the situation. If there is strength to intervene and not get into trouble - they will definitely intervene, if there is no strength - they will sanction and use diplomacy.
      2. +2
        22 November 2024 22: 36
        Quote: Kronos
        The Baltics are in NATO, forget about it already.

        The Baltics have had different compositions, from German knights and Danes with Swedes to the Third Reich. So what? Everything passes, and so will NATO...
    4. -1
      23 November 2024 01: 04
      with access to the former border of the USSR
      This is about as likely as the Ukrops taking Crimea.
      1. -2
        23 November 2024 15: 07
        With NATO dominance in the air and at sea, this is a very real scenario. NATO's entry into Ukraine will allow it to withdraw as many battle-hardened brigades from the Eastern Front as it wants and throw them into the assault. At the same time, NATO forces can impose a naval and air blockade of Crimea, or even conduct a full-fledged amphibious landing.
        And in a strategic offensive, reaching the Western border of the USSR is a completely feasible task. At the same time, your dreams will be straightened out.
        1. -1
          23 November 2024 15: 13
          And in a strategic offensive, reaching the Western border of the USSR is a completely feasible task.
          The battles for the left bank have been going on for the third year, and it is not fully occupied. And this is a poor Ukraine with Western scraps in its weapons.
          1. -1
            23 November 2024 15: 28
            What is happening now is not an offensive at all, but tactical successes against the backdrop of positional "grinding". All this is a mixture of cowardice and betrayal of the leadership in an attempt to grab the carrot of a fixed match.
            A strategic offensive is carried out after mobilization, using all necessary means to achieve victory. It is carried out decisively, without regard for all sorts of humanitarian considerations. So if there is any delay, the cause is eliminated without delay. As you said, Horatio, putting a telescope to his eye patch, said: "I don't see a signal about the enemy's surrender, continue!"
            And don’t scare us with the possible delivery of nuclear weapons to Ukraine, firstly, you won’t risk it, and secondly, you simply won’t have time.
            1. -1
              23 November 2024 15: 33
              And don't scare us
              No one is scaring you and no one is going to. The one who intimidates is the one who believes and knows the power of fear on himself - that is, the coward. Didn't you notice - the Europeans first supply, and then announce.
              A strategic offensive is carried out after mobilization.
              There is an opinion that the hypothetical mobilization will not go so smoothly, and there will be nothing to arm the mobilized with.
              How are you doing Horatio?
              Horatios are not found in modern Russia.
              1. -1
                23 November 2024 15: 37
                Almost everything is correct, but everything I described is only feasible with a strong, and even popular, Government.
                As for Nelson, he's the only one like him, yours can't handle him either.
                1. -1
                  23 November 2024 15: 39
                  Yours don't take out either.
                  For now we're holding on.
                  under a strong and, moreover, popular government.
                  Where can I get it? Stalin is gone, that's all.
  10. +2
    22 November 2024 06: 12
    I think. That after "such" response to Yuzhmash. They will hit us even harder. They scratched themselves and laughed there.
  11. -7
    22 November 2024 06: 13
    There are only two aspects that can be used to predict the response of Western politicians to the strikes on Yuzhmash. The first is that the Americans are in the chocolate, since the Oreshnik is unlikely to strike them. Perhaps Alaska and some military bases outside the US, but that doesn’t count. The second aspect is that the Oreshnik will reach any European. Boris Johnson, Starmer, and Macron.

    If the West continues to escalate the conflict, there is a simple and effective solution, in my opinion. The Americans should not be in chocolate, even if conditionally. They should also feel uneasy.
    So. As far as I remember, the US has a test site in Nevada. And they tested nuclear weapons there, among other things. Warn the Americans that in the event of escalation, we reserve the right to clearly demonstrate the arrival of warheads at this very test site. For now - there. Blanks, as in the case of Oreshnik. It will be Bulava, Sineva, Yars - it doesn't matter. Notify them before the launch, and let them watch the demonstration of our force. A single launch, without nuclear weapons, at a test site in the US, will not cause a massive response. But perhaps they will start thinking about what will happen if these are warheads with nuclear warheads covering New York, Washington, and Chicago.
    1. -3
      22 November 2024 11: 20
      I don't know who downvoted you, but I agree with them. You know that Moscow pays Ukraine for gas transportation. You also know that metals for weapons production are sold to the USA. They even support the dollar by increasing the purchase of American securities...
  12. +4
    22 November 2024 06: 19
    Beauty at its best...!!!
  13. +2
    22 November 2024 06: 25
    Pioneer (RSD-10)...........
  14. +5
    22 November 2024 06: 47
    They should have hit Western Ukraine: bridges, tunnels, etc. So that Western weapons would not reach the LBS. And so he is only glad. He doesn't care about people. He has long been trying to get Russia to hit cities. Yes, Putin still has problems with education or he is deliberately dragging out the war for a long time.
    1. +3
      22 November 2024 12: 18
      Quote: steel maker
      It was necessary to strike at Western Ukraine: bridges, tunnels, etc. So that Western weapons would not reach the LBS.

      Well, yes, the bridges and tunnels should have been demolished three years ago, but the priority of targets is determined by the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation based on intelligence data.
      We don't know what kind of missiles and with the participation of whose specialists the Bandarlogs assembled at Yuzhmash, as well as at what stage of readiness and in what quantities they were manufactured. There could have been organized "screwdriver assembly" of missiles similar to Storm or Taurus from component blocks and parts kindly provided by the West, but they would have come off the conveyor with the logo - "made in Ukraine", which would have given them an excuse, like that there were no deliveries of missiles from the EU and the USA and Ukraine was striking with its own missiles. I don't think that the first launch of "Oreshnik" was carried out at a target of no significance and estimated lower than the cost of the missiles used.
    2. -3
      22 November 2024 19: 25
      Count for fun how many dozens of strikes were carried out on the bridge in Zatoka in order to "prevent Western weapons from reaching LBS". Maybe then it will finally dawn on you that destroying a bridge in the enemy's rear is not as easy as it seems... although it is unlikely.
      1. 0
        22 November 2024 22: 45
        Simple. A dummy at a speed of 8-10 m will smash any bridge to pieces, the main thing is to hit it. Kinetic energy allows it to break through up to 10-12 m of concrete (to dust). Have you seen a bridge with spans 12 meters thick?
        And most likely they didn’t want to destroy the bridge in Zatoka, but only make it impossible for the Ukrainians to use it.
        1. +4
          23 November 2024 01: 45
          The bridge span is repaired quickly. To seriously disable the bridge (make it impossible to use), you need to destroy the support. And it is not so easy to hit the support even with high-precision weapons with a fairly powerful warhead.
          1. +1
            23 November 2024 02: 20
            Quote: Andrey Gladkikh
            The bridge span is being repaired quickly...

            Yeah, fast))) laughing ... under fire, like in Zatoka...
            You know, there are two new bridges across the Oka River nearby, which were built only recently. I drive on them all the time and I know very well how "fast" it was, how much equipment and people were involved, I saw this process with my own eyes. And the Dnieper is much wider than the Oka, and there is a war going on and it could fly in at any moment. And that's the end of everything, along with the equipment and the bridge builders.
            So the fact that the bridges are being built is solely a political decision of the Russian leadership, and nothing more.
          2. 0
            23 November 2024 17: 24
            Or put the entire canvas on the river bottom with a shock wave. And the supports can be standing. If it is necessary to knock down the supports, then the explosion should be about 5 - 8 tons of TNT at a depth of more than 10 m in the bottom at a distance of up to two nearest supports up to 70 - 90 m. The British practiced this in the Second World War.
    3. +1
      23 November 2024 01: 38
      And what about bridges and tunnels in Western Ukraine that can produce ballistic missiles? But Yuzhmash can in its underground workshops. I am sure that if not an academician, then certainly a graduate of the General Staff Academy or the Diplomatic Academy doubts Putin's education level.
  15. -1
    22 November 2024 06: 51
    It seems to me that victory in the war with the West in Ukraine will not be brought by the "Oreshniks" or "Iskanders" etc., but by trained assault infantry equipped with modern weapons, which will take over the territory.
    1. +8
      22 November 2024 07: 38
      "and the assault infantry is trained,.."
      To have such weapons and fight like in 1941, you need to have no education or be completely out of your mind! Have you seen stormtroopers in Israel? They have a cleansing group! Why storm a house or a populated area if all that remains of that house is ruins and ashes? And I will answer you: "To destroy as many soldiers as possible, Russians!"
      1. -3
        22 November 2024 12: 41
        to destroy as many soldiers as possible, why Russians???
      2. +2
        22 November 2024 22: 04
        Israel's ground infantry battles are also far from smooth, both in Gaza and Lebanon, despite the fact that its opponents have neither tanks nor aircraft.
    2. +1
      22 November 2024 09: 09
      It is not the Oreshniki or the Iskanders that will bring victory to the war with the West in Ukraine

      But only ICBMs. They always count the damage. And if you clearly show them that the damage will be prohibitive, then they will calm down.
  16. +11
    22 November 2024 08: 02
    Urina was so scared, so scared of "Oreshnik" ... that two hours later UJ drones, produced by Ukrjet LLC, flew along Kapustin Yar (to the Assembly and Test Complex), Kyiv, st. N. Ushakova 1d, headquarters coordinates 50.458883, 30.337661 It is clear that this is a residential building with attached offices, there sits only a bloodthirsty leader in the face of a certain Sasha Shevchenko, but call him, ask him strictly when he will stop acting up in response to fair blows, tel. 044 3777730 or +380686219515. Maybe he will get scared ...
  17. +5
    22 November 2024 08: 03
    Well, millions of rubles, they destroyed them, as the author writes billions, and they destroyed billions in their country with drops of ink, for example, the Volgograd Tractor Plant, but there are also reasons, the enemies will want to strike back, at the same Volgograd, but it no longer exists... And so our wise leadership, for 30 years, itself destroyed industry inside the country, so that in the event of, for example, a clash with NATO, the enemies would have nothing to destroy.
    1. 0
      24 November 2024 07: 32
      I remember Adolf also scared everyone with "wunderwaffes"...
  18. -4
    22 November 2024 08: 24
    The current Putin is not the Putin who was right after Yeltsin...
    1. -6
      22 November 2024 09: 02
      The current Putin is not the Putin who was right after Yeltsin...
      Exactly...they replaced it back then, after the trip to the USA... wink
      1. -7
        22 November 2024 09: 32
        To Bush's ranch? They swapped him for a clone there?
        1. -3
          22 November 2024 09: 55
          You see that he is “not the same today as yesterday, a fresh wind lifted his wings, tearing apart his old skin at the seams, with new skin he embraced the whole sky” (c). wink
    2. -6
      22 November 2024 15: 53
      Many still remember "dear Leonid Ilyich" and his degradation to "boobs masibissim". History repeats itself...
      1. +5
        22 November 2024 18: 44
        Brezhnev had a stroke in the early 70s, after which he wanted to resign from the post of General Secretary, but they did not let him go. Apparently, these were the very people who were involved in the collapse of the USSR.
        And Brezhnev was a good guy, only in the last years of his life he was turned into a laughing stock, and he was just an old and sick man.
        1. -7
          22 November 2024 19: 00
          Brezhnev was a good guy

          Brezhnev was neither a bad nor a good man. He was the leader of a huge country called the USSR. And it was he, together with his aged Politburo, who decided to increase the number of "shitty sausages" by starting the Afghan war. Everyone knows how it ended for the USSR.
          .You will be judged not by your words, but by your deeds.
          (Bible)
          1. 0
            22 November 2024 19: 28
            Brezhnev wanted to stop another Pol Pot, who was supported by the USA.
  19. +8
    22 November 2024 08: 24
    Who in their right mind fires blank warning shots into the air in the third year of war and XXX thousand casualties? What a clown show, these are not threats, these are laughs. A laughing stock for the whole world.
    1. +1
      22 November 2024 22: 08
      Calculate the kinetic energy of a "blank" when it hits a target at 11 times the speed of sound. Such a blow would be more powerful than the explosion of a 500 kg air bomb. Learn physics.
    2. +2
      23 November 2024 01: 54
      Well, why is everyone talking about "threat, threat". And has it not occurred to you that this is simply the destruction of underground ballistic missile assembly plants and the "Ukrainization" of Western cruise missiles? And the threat is just an accompanying "bonus".
  20. +6
    22 November 2024 08: 41
    Yesterday I listened to this statement of our Supreme Command. Chatter, chatter, chatter.... He said everything to the point, I was waiting for the words "red" and "line". The footage of the defeat of Yuzhmash is impressive, Goyda was immediately broadcast on one radio station. But what is the bottom line, without emotions.
    1) The people who attacked the Russians have not been punished.
    2) We announced to the whole world that we have MRBM. It was certainly appreciated, now they will think about how to fight and count how many of them we have. Which does not bode well for us at all, they are not afraid of us, after all, see point 1.
    3) The Supreme Commander-in-Chief on TV constantly tells us that the Ukrainian people are our brothers, etc. That's probably why when NATO hits us, we hit the Ukrainians. It's logical to the depths of our souls.
    1. +1
      22 November 2024 09: 00
      The Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Supreme Command constantly tells us on TV that the Ukrainian people are our brothers.
      The serfs fight (like brothers), and the lords incite them wink
      1. +2
        22 November 2024 09: 54
        Rather, the gentlemen make money.
        1. -1
          22 November 2024 09: 56
          Of course, they bet on the serfs
  21. +2
    22 November 2024 08: 50
    Now not a single "hawk" in Europe can sleep peacefully. If earlier he could be warned by an air raid alarm about imminent death, now everything will pass quickly and without unnecessary worries. Well, what does that have to do with it? It hit Yuzhmash in Ukraine, not Ayrshire County in England. And it won't hit us, because it will keep hitting us. It doesn't matter what they hit Yuzhmash with, since it didn't make things worse for Europe or America. Now, if at least an Oreshnik had hit Redzikowo with the same dummy, maybe they would have thought about it. They should also respond to the attack on Voronezh. Apparently, they lack the courage here.
    1. +2
      22 November 2024 08: 57
      hi
      It arrived via Yuzhmash in Ukraine, not via Ayrshire in England.

      We are supposedly fighting with NATO, as they assure us, but in reality, we are not fighting with NATO, we are still partners, although not friendly ones. wink Not much happens between sexual...ugh...political partners.. wink
      1. -1
        22 November 2024 09: 06
        hi They wanted to shoot and scare, but it turned out to be a fart and... well, you know, that they even had to wash their pants request
        1. -3
          22 November 2024 09: 12
          And so, by and large, older unfriendly partners mock the younger partner as they want. Reminds me of the fairy tale Cinderella, the youngest has one problem, there is no fairy godmother, as in the fairy tale. Although there was a time when a pumpkin turned into a golden carriage, for up to 24 hours. laughing
          1. +1
            22 November 2024 09: 19
            there is no fairy godmother So they hope for a "good fairy" after January 20
            1. 0
              22 November 2024 09: 22
              There were so many fairies like that that you can’t even count them, and after the conversation, the traditional thing sounded like we were deceived again... The mice still haven’t sorted out the grain, the hares haven’t ground the coffee, and 20 rose bushes haven’t grown on their own...
    2. +1
      23 November 2024 01: 24
      in the county of Ayrshire in England.
      Ayrshire in Scotland.
  22. 0
    22 November 2024 08: 51
    And we will warn you every time. Cool. what . Like a test on the territory of the ruins. Complete insanity. hi
    1. +3
      22 November 2024 09: 57
      Quote: bandabas
      And we will warn you every time. Cool.

      If we also coordinate with our “partners”, and even ask permission from the US, it will turn out much more fun.
  23. -3
    22 November 2024 08: 57
    A lot of things were needed the day before yesterday. And Hazelnut, and testicles to use it.
    But better late than never.
    1. +9
      22 November 2024 09: 19
      It was necessary on 24.02.2022. The porridge was cooked, only the cooks turned out to be useless. As a result, we have what we have. Unfortunately hi
      1. -3
        22 November 2024 11: 28
        This is all a continuation of "Crimea is ours" Now the game will be postponed again, until some time.
        1. +1
          22 November 2024 13: 33
          Definitely not related to chess. As well as to cards. In pref you have to calculate, in poker... There is not even a hint of poker here. More like "drunkard" hiMap there - map here.
  24. +1
    22 November 2024 09: 00
    Water, water...
    How does this heat differ from blows from calibers or daggers? Basically, nothing.
    Ukraine is being shot through and through by missiles.
    And the Kremlin, the media and experts say that their air defense is ineffective and suppressed.

    They just decided to cheer up some and scare others once. And it seems we didn't go beyond the warnings about launches, and we probably warned NATO. And they warned Ukraine.
    1. +2
      22 November 2024 09: 25
      Water, water...

      “Patamushtaa is without water and neither here nor there..” (c)
    2. +2
      22 November 2024 19: 34
      It differs in essence in that it is a medium-range ballistic missile, which is suitable for strikes on Europe. Iskander, Kinzhal are short-range ballistic missiles (up to 500 km). Until recently, there were no medium-range missiles due to the treaty that ceased to be effective in 2019.
  25. -3
    22 November 2024 09: 04
    Perhaps this is precisely why Poland has opened another target for the missile system, disguising it in Redzikowo as the Aegis Ashore missile defense system?

    I wonder if this PRO saw the hazel?
    They probably wet their pants when they saw that speed)))
    And if you didn’t see it on radar and SN screens, then after the footage in the media, you definitely got your pants dirty.
    1. -2
      22 November 2024 09: 15
      they definitely got their pants dirty

      The latest photos from space have confirmed this... the laundry is drying...
  26. -4
    22 November 2024 09: 16
    In cinemas from November 21st "The Strong Nut"
    1. -5
      22 November 2024 09: 30
      World premiere, 21.11.24. DK Yuzhmash, Dnepropetrovsk.
  27. +4
    22 November 2024 09: 39
    Wang.
    The most that the old cuckold is capable of is to hit some barn, but to present this hit as a real Armageddon.
    And then call "your respected partners" first and say, "Don't be angry, I'm showing my suckers that I'm still a big deal."
    1. -1
      23 November 2024 18: 26
      Are you talking about your self-propelled vehicle? Putin is bending you over really well. Tremble, slaves of the Washington regional committee.
  28. +1
    22 November 2024 10: 03
    Well, as for the launch, was there a warning or not? Even Peskov himself doesn’t know what he’s talking about, apparently he could have switched off at that moment.
    1. -1
      22 November 2024 10: 12
      Apparently he could have switched off at that moment

      He was blown away
    2. PC
      -2
      22 November 2024 23: 04
      Is there a brain there?..........
  29. +1
    22 November 2024 10: 03
    Zelensky, like his seed, must be destroyed.
  30. +1
    22 November 2024 10: 15
    It would have been more than effective to strike Oreshnik at the Rada when Zelensky was speaking there, but they didn't do that, just like striking at the railway junctions in the western region. Does VVP think that this strike will scare the West and push them to another deal?
    1. -1
      22 November 2024 11: 14
      VVP is afraid of scaring him. Since 1991, these are his masters. Apparently.
      1. PC
        -1
        22 November 2024 23: 06
        An original thought. And one that has a place to be.
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  32. +3
    22 November 2024 11: 07
    The hurray-patriots need to refresh their memory.
    Remember how Putin's pompous demonstration of Sarmat, Poseidon, Avangard, and Burevestnik ended.
    How many times after this did Putin and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs declare that Russia will not allow a nuclear war, that nuclear weapons are for a retaliatory strike?
    Remember the statement of Russia on 3.01.2022 as part of the "nuclear five" which, in addition to China, includes the United States, Great Britain and France: "... consider their primary responsibility to be the prevention of war between states possessing nuclear weapons and the reduction of strategic risks."
    Would a country that is ready to threaten to destroy the US/UK to prevent a proxy war they have prepared to destroy Russia make such a statement?
    The demonstration of weapons by the colonial administration of Russia is not being done to its masters, but to its own population, in order to calm them down once again.
  33. +2
    22 November 2024 11: 12
    How many people here want to start World War III! Doesn't anyone understand that we have demonstrated the presence of hypersonic 3 super-Hiroshimas (forty Hiroshimas each!) of 6-minute delivery vehicles? Moreover, each warhead can have its own flight mission. Not enough?
    1. -2
      22 November 2024 14: 50
      There is already something to deliver nuclear weapons with. Maybe not as fast or not as covertly, but fundamentally it is no different from what was already in service.
      1. +2
        22 November 2024 19: 38
        That's the point, there was almost nothing to deliver with. To deliver to Europe, medium-range missiles were needed, which they didn't have.
        1. 0
          22 November 2024 22: 23
          Iskander and Kinzhal shoot through half of Europe. Then there are Tu-160 and ICBMs.
  34. kvv
    -2
    22 November 2024 11: 15
    Now the Anglo-Saxons will come to their senses a little, they will realize that in principle nothing threatens them and they will start again, but of course I don’t feel sorry for the outskirts and its people, they themselves chose their fate
  35. -2
    22 November 2024 11: 39
    as one president once said - "The main thing is to start...")))
    but to be honest, we could have started with Rzeszow, Romstein or somewhere in Romania) If they didn't understand - then Brussels, London, and then, as they say, "everywhere". The Americans will immediately merge, even NATO will leave like a fly
  36. -1
    22 November 2024 11: 49
    "It's good that they're not nuclear,
    "It's a pity that they are inert"

    Yes, it's a pity, a great pity, that they are inert Yes
    Could these really have been just blanks without explosives inside?! recourse
    They had to be with explosives!!!!! Yes
  37. +4
    22 November 2024 11: 51
    The probable reaction of Ukraine to the use of such weapons is more likely for demonstration purposes - there will be further work on dispersal and decentralization of capacities and personnel clusters, as well as advance development with the allies of a system of measures to warn of launches or intentions, which will be handled by their intelligence at all levels. Such a toy should be used not in the singular, but to cover a major meeting of the Kyiv elite and resolve the issue at its root, at the most advantageous moment for us. "Yuzhmash" as a stationary object could be disabled by other, more budgetary means.

    Releasing gas from a bottle quietly no longer works, we still don't want to understand this. The enemy has not lost the ability to adapt to our strategy.
  38. 0
    22 November 2024 12: 44
    The rocket is good. The wrath of heaven has been achieved. good Finally they banged, the path to rethinking in the minds of opponents has been laid. Let's see what happens next.
  39. 0
    22 November 2024 12: 48
    and were they inert)? It was possible to work on Yuzhmash with high explosives (
  40. +1
    22 November 2024 13: 15
    I read about the "take-off of the Kalibr carriers" and stopped reading.
  41. -3
    22 November 2024 13: 23
    I don't think Medvedev is a good politician, but he also said something very remarkable: we must harm our enemies everywhere, take revenge on them wherever possible. They are our enemies, we must create difficulties for them in the economy, stir up public discontent with incompetent policies, develop and promote international solutions that infringe on the interests of the Western world. This must be done constantly, systematically and as openly as possible. Then we will achieve victory as quickly as possible. But the guarantor of his permanent terms will never agree to this. After all, our oligarchs' money is there, our respected partners are there...
  42. 0
    22 November 2024 13: 48
    How can one not remember a joke here?
    "Russia has few ICBMs left, only enough for 3-4 continents!"
  43. -1
    22 November 2024 14: 09
    It certainly looks like a scene from a science fiction film.
    But I would like to see the reaction of Western leaders, the hawks, but as we can see the reaction is very restrained there and so far it is not clear that they have understood the signals.
  44. +1
    22 November 2024 14: 48
    The Washington Post wrote that Russia's use of the new "Wunderwaffe" caused a reaction in the Pentagon that was close to a yawn. This is probably not the reaction the Kremlin was counting on.
    1. -1
      22 November 2024 19: 45
      The Washington Post is scribbling out one article after another to report on the "yawns") In general, medium-range missiles are not intended for Washington, but for Europe.
  45. +3
    22 November 2024 15: 27
    So far our ambassadors and diplomatic missions on the ground in London and Washington are not scary at all. We need to start with recalling ambassadors and diplomats, leaving clerks for our citizens who are not our comrades, or who have stayed there for family reasons. Then we can threaten Oreshnik
  46. +1
    22 November 2024 15: 46
    There was no need for it yesterday.
    If it had been used earlier, the West would have had a lot of time to study this missile, probe its weak points, test its air defense systems, develop countermeasures, tactics and war scenarios against such weapons.
    Today, neither the US nor Europe is ready for war against a hypersonic cluster MRBM. And, lo and behold, it may come as a big surprise to many that we don't have enough of these missiles for two or three days. As was the case with the Kalibr, Iskander and Lancet.
    In fact, the strike with this missile is nothing more than a coercion to peace: either peace on our terms, or war against weapons that will drive Europe back to the Stone Age.
  47. -5
    22 November 2024 15: 46
    Have we finally started fighting for real?
  48. +1
    22 November 2024 22: 47
    "The Hazelnut was needed the day before yesterday" - you can say that about any weapon
  49. 0
    22 November 2024 23: 04
    I would like to ask the local experts who say that it was necessary to strike at NATO infrastructure, if you were in the place of the president, would you take responsibility for the quite probable death of 146 million people of Russia. After all, after a strike on NATO, there will be a nuclear war with a probability of 99%. I can just picture a picture of how they put a couch commander in a horse chair and told him to press the button, only the consequences will be very tragic for the whole world, here the urine will flow down the thighs from fear.
  50. +1
    23 November 2024 00: 13
    "The Hazelnut Tree was needed the day before yesterday"
    You really don’t even know what we needed the day before yesterday!
    In 1941, there was a huge lack of an atomic bomb! And in 2022 - Death Stars.
    Don't you think the title is a bit idiotic?
  51. +2
    23 November 2024 00: 38
    Would it be too difficult to carry out the same attack on the American base in Syria? They are there illegally, after all, and we have a request from the Syrian authorities for help in the fight against terrorists.
    1. 0
      23 November 2024 21: 28
      Heh. We in Syria don't really help the Syrians with their pro-Iranians with air defense...
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  53. 0
    23 November 2024 21: 26
    What's the bottom line?
    A wonder weapon with 6 blocks of 6 sub-blocks. With sufficient accuracy and precision (but this is not certain). And? We had nothing to hit London with before?
  54. 0
    24 November 2024 07: 45
    Just another "wonder weapon".
    Remember the general from "Seventeen Moments of Spring"?
    "These fools think that wars are won by bombing alone... The Russians think so because they are poor..."
    Whatever our Guarantor declares, the war will be dragged out by Vanka the infantryman with a Kalashnikov
  55. -1
    24 November 2024 10: 54
    The West was not impressed. THEY WERE NOT SUFFERED! And why? It's all so simple... For many years the enemy was provoked by weakness! They were trained to be a sniveling bunch!
  56. 0
    27 November 2024 16: 11
    "But let's leave the irony aside and try to imagine how events will develop in the Armed Forces of Ukraine after the magnificent debut of "Oreshnik."
    It's already the 27th.
    Ukraine continues to strike with missiles and drones. So do we.
    The damage from the "Oreshnik" dummies is described as minor.

    The media also stop fantasizing, they are tired.

    It's all logical - why shoot with an expensive MKR when there are cheaper and more widespread Kinzhals, CRs, and the like? Unshootable too, according to the media.

    just conduct the tests... and that's it
  57. 0
    1 December 2024 03: 36
    Hundreds of thousands of Oreshniks are needed, then there will be some effect. But shooting in single units is just shaking the air.