Import Substitution in Russia: Preliminary Results Are Not Consoling

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Import Substitution in Russia: Preliminary Results Are Not Consoling


The Old New Thing


If we distance ourselves from the current situation, there is nothing good in import substitution. First of all, for the end consumer. What does the consumer always want? For it to be both inexpensive and of high quality. To come to a supermarket or a car dealership and buy cheap goods. Only then will the majority of products not be domestically produced. It will turn out that China makes better household appliances, Europe and Japan make cars, and it is easier to bring agricultural products from South and North America than to grow them at home. The consumer is happy, but later fundamental problems begin: unemployment (where to work if all production is abroad) and total dependence on external players.



There is no need to look far for examples. After the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine was unable or unwilling to preserve its own industry, blessing the domestic market to import suppliers. As a result, part of the population was forced to look for work in Europe in the service sector, some made ends meet with whatever they could, and the rest found employment in agriculture. Decades of Kyiv's sabotage against its own people turned Ukraine into a third-rate agricultural country.

Total dependence on imports not only destroys sovereign intellectual potential, but also allows foreigners to dictate their terms. Russia, unfortunately, fell into this trap. Foreigners took over the automobile industry, and the market economy effectively put an end to civil aircraft manufacturing. The last straw should have been the sale of military-industrial complex enterprises to foreign "partners", but fortunately it did not come to that. Although their own managers brought a considerable number of military plants to the brink.

The situation with import substitution in Russia is both simple and complex. Since 2022, small and medium businesses have been able to quickly substitute a wide range of consumer goods. We are talking about food, clothing and simple household items that were previously imported from abroad. Now the horror stories of "experts" from 2022, who promised Russia a return to the worst years of Gorbachev's perestroika, seem ridiculous.

According to scientists from the Russian Academy of Sciences, last year at least one and a half percent of the country's GDP growth was provided by small and medium businesses engaged in import substitution of simple consumer goods. The West's leaky sanctions also helped. More precisely, the impossibility of tracking supplies of "banned goods" to Russia through third countries. The total volume of imports over a couple of years not only did not fall, but even increased slightly in value.


But that's it for good news end, and the time of difficulties begins. More precisely, not even difficulties, but a complete lack of understanding by a number of officials of the real state of affairs in the country. There is a feeling that the people developing import substitution programs in high-tech industries think in terms of light industry. Replacing Prada handbags with products from Ivanovo is probably possible, but it is impossible to quickly bring the PD-14 aircraft engine for the MS-21 airliner to perfection. But what aviation – have not yet been able to establish production of completely domestic refrigerators.

The situation in the automotive industry is no less complicated, but also aggravated by competition with China. Giving up the domestic market to China means leaving Tolyatti and several dozen smaller cities without work. And if we abandon the Chinese auto industry and introduce prohibitive import duties, then the consumer will have to get used to living for decades with Grants and Vestas at the price of a one-room apartment in Moscow. There is nothing good in balancing between two fires - AvtoVAZ, due to forced import substitution, has accumulated more than 100 billion rubles in debt. Note that there was no dumping in prices for the domestic consumer. Everyone has become accustomed to Nivas for a million and Vestas for 2-2,5 million. This is something from the realm of fantasy, but in fact, a new reality. As is the reality of paying off AvtoVAZ's debts from the Russian budget. The Ministry of Industry and Trade is discussing measures to support the auto giant, and there is no doubt that this support will be provided.

There is also concern in Naberezhnye Chelny. The Kama Automobile Plant, which has been quite successful in import substitution, has lost almost a third of its sales over the past nine months. This can be explained by both the intense defense order and the aggressive advance of Chinese trucks.

What will happen next


One of the most ambitious tasks set for the domestic industry is import substitution in the production of microprocessors. America has been using this strategically important technology as a sanction for decades weapons. Japan, Taiwan and the Netherlands are three countries capable of building modern photolithographs and at the same time being totally dependent on the United States. Only Washington decides who can sell machines for printing chips and microcircuits and who cannot. Russia and China, of course, are prohibited first of all. Import substitution in this industry can without exaggeration be called the second space program, and it is going, as expected, neither here nor there.

A couple of years ago, the information field was full of beautiful headlines like “We will catch up and overtake America!”, but over time, publications have become noticeably fewer. At the moment, there is only a working prototype or even a technology demonstrator capable of producing 350-nm chips. Note that this is not a production model, but only an experimental setup. Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Vasily Shpak was laconic in May 2024: “We have assembled and made the first domestic lithograph. It is now undergoing tests as part of the technological line in Zelenograd.” The 350-nm process technology is very good for a country with production capacities 30-40 years old, but there are already machines in the world capable of printing 3-5-nm chips. Now Russia is 25 years behind Western countries. We have decided to catch up with our competitors quickly and effectively. In 2026 there will be 130nm chips, and two years later 28nm.


No less impressive rates of import substitution were designated for civil aircraft manufacturing. Everyone knows the Program for the Development of the Air Transport Industry until 2030. The authors of this document can only be justified by the fact that in the summer of 2022 they believed in Russia's imminent victory in the special operation, after which all state forces would be thrown into aircraft manufacturing. Already in 2023, the delivery dates for new airliners were shifted to the right. You will laugh, but by the end of this year, carriers were supposed to receive two dozen Superjets, six MS-21s and seven Tu-214s. None of this will happen.

It seems that it has only just become clear that the government was being pulled out of shape by aviation industry officials. Personnel changes have begun. Yuri Slyusar, Chairman of the Board of the United Aircraft Corporation since 2015, was transferred to manage the Rostov Region. A very good parachute for an official who, to put it mildly, failed to get the aircraft industry off the ground.

His place was taken by Vadim Badekha, who previously headed the United Engine Corporation of the same Rostec. He is a typical effective manager from Denis Manturov's team and must, first of all, make the two aviation fiefdoms - aircraft and engine manufacturers - work harmoniously. So far, such a tandem has not shown itself to be very effective. Alexander Grachev, who took the place of the head of UEC in place of Badekha, moved up the career ladder. Before that, the manager managed the UEC-Klimov enterprise, which specializes in gas turbine engines and is part of the Rostec perimeter.

Replacing such high-ranking officials in the midst of import substitution in the aviation industry is a very bad sign. Despite the fact that these people did not come from the street, they will take some time to get to grips with the situation, change the management team to suit themselves, and the civil aviation sector will lose another six months to a year in pace. So are we expecting another shift in the takeoff dates for domestic aircraft to the right?

Air carriers are doing well so far, but the first black swans have already flown. On November 21, it became known that every second of the 68 European Airbus A320/A321neo aircraft in Russia was forced to stand idle. Technically, they are in good working order, but airlines have decided to hold on to the aircraft engines for the big season next year. It may not be critical, but it will definitely affect the cost of flights. The shortage of wide-body aircraft is forcing airlines to include expenses for a stopover when flying to and from the Far East. Refueling is planned in Krasnoyarsk, which promises extra money and a loss of time.

If the situation in the aircraft industry is not corrected in the near future, foreign airlines will have to enter the domestic market. This will help for a while, but will significantly reduce the income of Russian carriers. And they must, let us recall, purchase domestic Superjets, MS-21 and Tu-214. Where will they get the money if the routes are foreign? This situation is typical not only for the aircraft industry, but for a large number of industries where we have had to relearn how to do complex things. What to do, you ask? First of all, learn to make realistic plans, otherwise the future for us will be built by completely different people.
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  1. +12
    25 November 2024 05: 23
    "We will catch up with and overtake America!"
    If only we could catch up with India and China, and then maybe we'll outdo Portugal
    1. +5
      25 November 2024 06: 17
      we had to relearn do difficult things
      Somehow they lost their skills suspiciously quickly... recourse
      1. +8
        25 November 2024 06: 23
        quickly lost skills....

        Were there any? They only produced galoshes, the author is hinting at this.
        1. +1
          25 November 2024 07: 44
          Quote: parusnik
          They only produced galoshes

          Speaking of galoshes: even now, our current galoshes are much better and stronger than Turkish ones! It's been proven.
          1. +2
            25 November 2024 09: 45
            Quote from Uncle Lee
            our current galoshes

            Someone has something against our galoshes! angry The secret of production is not lost yet! I am proud! bully
      2. +16
        25 November 2024 08: 34
        What do you mean quickly? 33 years is a normal term. In fact, 2 generations of workers. And we have degraded.
    2. +10
      25 November 2024 10: 58
      1,5 terms of EBN's rule caused damage to the Russian Federation 2.5 times greater than four years of the Great Patriotic War caused to the USSR.
      1. +4
        27 November 2024 10: 08
        1,5 terms of EBN's rule caused damage to the Russian Federation 2.5 times greater than four years of the Great Patriotic War caused to the USSR.

        Bold! But why not continue? For example, Volgograd Tractor Plant was liquidated after bankruptcy in 2007. The Germans were unable to destroy it, but Putin and Medvedev managed to do it.
    3. +1
      25 November 2024 13: 03
      China and India were artificially created by the West, all the patents are in the West, production is in China and India! Russia needs to create its own in space and microelectronics, otherwise it will take and cut off everything from the West! Sooner or later the West will tighten the screws!
  2. +12
    25 November 2024 05: 24
    The recipes here are simple and straightforward. The STATE should be engaged in the key aspects of the economy and industry. The goal of the activity should be to achieve specific RESULTS, and not to make money. The characters who take on such a difficult job should be responsible for this exclusively with their HEAD.

    Although - you can say it more simply. Bring back Soviet power - and the problems will at least be solvable. Leave the bourgeois power - and these problems will bury the country. Because the very essence of capitalism is getting the maximum possible dough at any cost, and not at all some kind of solution to urgent problems...

    Yes, sometimes a capitalist can also be forced to be useful, there are methods, but - in our conditions, alas, there are neither the means, nor the opportunities, nor, most importantly, the time... So...
    1. +12
      25 November 2024 09: 14
      Bring back Soviet power
      Who will return it to you? "We cannot wait for favors from nature, to take them from her is our task" I.V. Michurin.
    2. +5
      25 November 2024 10: 26
      Bring back Soviet power - and the problems will at least immediately become solvable.


      And even under Soviet power, the same problems emerged, the USSR was forced to cooperate with the West on many technological issues, to buy a lot of things. Here, the fundamental problem is not in bad officials (they only make things worse), but in the complexity of the modern technological process, which requires millions of man-hours and billions of money, and for all this to somehow move forward, a huge market is required.
      1. +5
        25 November 2024 10: 49
        Ask the Chinese, they will teach you how.
        1. +4
          25 November 2024 10: 54
          So the Chinese will say that we need to cooperate with the whole world and closely participate in the international division of labor.
      2. +8
        25 November 2024 11: 52
        No. The market is required - if you absolutely need to make a profit from your activities. And in the matter of the survival of the country and the people - it seems to me that profit is not the most important thing.

        Again - Comrade Stalin taught us that profitability should be considered on a national scale and for many years. Example - do you think it was profitable to create an atomic bomb at that time? No way - just colossal expenses. Was it worth it then? Do you have any doubts about that?
        1. -1
          25 November 2024 12: 23
          No. The market is required - if you absolutely need to make a profit from your activities. And in the matter of the survival of the country and the people - it seems to me that profit is not the most important thing.


          The market is always required one way or another; even during Stalin’s time there were questions of cost and payback.

          Example - do you think it was profitable to create an atomic bomb at that time? No way - just colossal expenses. Was it worth it then? Do you have any doubts about it?


          You are trying to substitute the discussion; to create an atomic bomb, a developed industry was needed, which is difficult to obtain without a market.
          1. +3
            25 November 2024 12: 26
            Even during Stalin's time there were questions of cost and payback

            Once again, the whole question is how to count them..

            You are trying to change the discussion.

            You are again trying to sell us the liberal mantra that the development of the country is impossible without providing super profits to individual bourgeois.
            1. +1
              25 November 2024 12: 59
              What does the liberal mantra have to do with this, how was industrialization done? Resources were sold and production facilities were bought with the proceeds.
              1. +4
                26 November 2024 19: 42
                "Resources were sold and production facilities were purchased with the proceeds"
                now it's the same, only the proceeds are quickly divided into pockets, and without any production. who needs it?
          2. +3
            25 November 2024 14: 19
            "Even in Stalin's time there were questions of cost and payback"
            And do today's traders know what cost price is, and how it is regulated and affects production?
          3. +5
            25 November 2024 14: 22
            "to create an atomic bomb, a developed industry was needed, which is difficult to obtain without a market"
            Do you doubt that the USSR created the atomic bomb itself, using its own raw materials and production, with its own specialists, without a market, and did not buy it from China or the USA?
            1. +1
              25 November 2024 15: 55
              Do you doubt that the USSR created the atomic bomb itself, using its own raw materials and production, with its own specialists, without a market, and did not buy it from China or the USA?


              Thanks to the market, the USSR was able to sell its raw materials, attract Western specialists and Western companies with the proceeds, and carry out industrialization; the industrial base created as a result of industrialization made it possible to create an atomic bomb.
              Would the USSR have been able to carry out industrialization on its own without the involvement of the West, most likely not, but at the very least it would not have had time to do so before the start of WWII.
              1. +4
                25 November 2024 16: 06
                "Thanks to the market, the USSR was able to sell its raw materials and use the proceeds to attract Western specialists and Western companies"
                Are you sure you're talking about the atomic bomb? I know the history of industrialization without you. There was no single market back then, the USSR traded with each country separately, under treaties. And the countries that could give something other than money were few and far between. The USA, Germany, well, England a bit. For money, the bourgeois is ready to do anything, even to strengthen the enemy. The behavior of today's domestic bourgeois gives an example of the concept of bourgeoisie
                1. +1
                  25 November 2024 16: 30
                  There was no single market then, the USSR traded with each country separately, under agreements. And the countries that could give something other than money were few and far between then. The USA, Germany, well, England a little.


                  This is the market, now the market is bigger, but the technologies are more complex. And also somewhere there is a single market, somewhere there are separate agreements with specific countries.

                  For money, the bourgeois is ready to do anything, even to strengthen the enemy.


                  This is what you need to take advantage of.

                  you are definitely talking about the atomic bomb


                  What kind of atomic bomb would have been possible without industrialization and what would have been the profit from it if there had not been military aviation, air defense, etc., which also would not have existed without industrialization.
                  1. 0
                    25 November 2024 16: 41
                    "What kind of atomic bomb would have been possible without industrialization and what would have been the profit from it if military aviation had not existed"
                    at that time the ussr didn't have any aviation capable of delivering the bomb to america, so does it mean that the bomb was completely useless? no, from 1947 to 1991 the americans sat quietly as a mouse under a broom, nato asked the ussr for permission to conduct exercises. does it mean that the bomb helped? and our conversation turned to the creation of the bomb in the absence of a market, and not to industrialization - "to create an atomic bomb, a developed industry was needed, which is difficult to obtain without market.". there was no bomb technology at that time. Everything was created locally, and all this industry was our own development, not purchased from China.
                    1. +1
                      25 November 2024 16: 50
                      At that time, the USSR did not have aviation capable of delivering the bomb to America, so it turns out that the bomb was completely useless?


                      But there was fighter aviation and air defense that could only destroy the entire US strategic aviation or most of it, reducing the potential damage from bombing the USSR to the minimum possible.

                      there was no bomb technology at that time. everything was created locally, and all this industry was our own development, not purchased from China


                      There was no bomb, but all the accompanying things, the same energy, various metallurgical plants, mining and processing of ore, etc., all these Chelyabinsk-40, Arzamas-16, Obninsk were not created out of thin air.

                      but no, from 1947 to 1991 the Americans sat quietly, like a mouse under a broom, while NATO asked the USSR for permission to conduct exercises.


                      Well, yes, there were no reconnaissance flights over the territory of the USSR, there were no air battles after 45, there were no arms deliveries to Afghanistan.
                      1. +2
                        25 November 2024 17: 09
                        "But there was fighter aviation and air defense that could only defeat the entire US strategic aviation."
                        air defense back then was the same aviation as just aviation. and in aviation then, as now, America was superior to the USSR (Russia) in both quantity and quality. sending a hundred B24s, of which about five were carrying a bomb, was very simple
                        "Well, yes, there were no reconnaissance flights over the territory of the USSR, there were no air battles after 45"
                        Well, why were there, but not for long and there were air battles - random and one-off. And weapons were mainly transported to Afghanistan via Pakistan in caravans. The Americans did not deliver anything by air. And NATO sat quietly and did not show itself, the entire Bundeswehr - one division and a couple of separate battalions, as well as the entire British army. France was not a part of the NATO power bloc at all.
                      2. +1
                        25 November 2024 17: 14
                        and in aviation then, as now, America was superior to the USSR (Russia) both in quantity and quality. sending a hundred B24s, of which about five were carrying a bomb - was very simple


                        And this was recognized by the Americans as irrational; five bombs would not cause critical damage to the USSR, and there would be no strategic aviation after such a raid.
                      3. 0
                        25 November 2024 18: 22
                        "and there will be no strategic aviation after such a raid."
                        it won't be right after the raid, but in a couple of years it will be, and better than it was
                      4. +1
                        25 November 2024 18: 27
                        That is why the Americans did not carry out their plans for a total nuclear strike on the USSR, first because of low efficiency, what is the point of sending all your strategic aviation in one direction to drop a maximum of 1-5 bombs, and then spend two years building new aviation, American society would have appreciated such a move.
                        And then, under Khrushchev (I don’t give him credit for this), missiles capable of delivering atomic bombs appeared.

                        Thus, the mere creation of an atomic bomb did not guarantee safety, but together with fighter aircraft and air defense, it helped cool down the American hawks in the "pre-missile era."
                      5. +1
                        25 November 2024 18: 29
                        "And then, under Khrushchev (I don't blame him), missiles capable of delivering atomic bombs appeared."
                        thanks I know
                    2. 0
                      25 November 2024 20: 04
                      Shortly before the first Soviet atomic explosion, the heavy Tu-4 "strategists" entered service; they were almost an exact copy (except for their own radio station, as well as more powerful engines and defensive cannon armament) of the American B-29.



                      But the Tu-4 had a range of all 5000 km, which means they had to be placed as close as possible to the enemy - that is, under the threat of a sudden blow, similar to the blows of 22 June 1941 of the year. And the task of creating an aircraft that would be based in the depth of the country, in a safe distance from the enemy, remained relevant - and every month more and more important.
            2. 0
              27 November 2024 14: 10
              Do you doubt that the USSR created the atomic bomb itself?

              Well, to be honest, there was a rat among the Manhattan Project employees that saved 8-9 years for Soviet nuclear scientists. And such forces were gathered to create the club that one can only be surprised. Now, this is probably impossible.
              1. +2
                27 November 2024 14: 17
                "which saved Soviet nuclear scientists 8-9 years. And such forces were gathered to create the club that one can only be surprised. Now this is probably impossible"
                100% is impossible. There are no more of our own forces left, but an unimaginable number of domestic rats have bred laughing
              2. +1
                27 November 2024 14: 32
                Well, to be honest, there was a rat among the Manhattan Project employees that saved 8-9 years for Soviet nuclear scientists.

                There were no rats among the Manhattan Project staff, there were sensible scientists Oppenheimer, Fermi and others.. Who "became friends" with the Konenkov couple, and Einstein himself fell in love with the sculptor's wife Margarita... By personal order of Stalin (at the request of Beria) in November 1945 the steamship "Smolny" was chartered, on which the sculptor Konenkov, his wife and all his works were transported to the USSR. Among the works there were many hollow plaster models...
                1. 0
                  27 November 2024 15: 20
                  there were no rats, there were sane people

                  For some reason, we always call those who reveal our secrets traitors.
                  And those who revealed the secret to us, the sane...
                  The paradox of double standards,
                  1. +1
                    27 November 2024 15: 35
                    For some reason, we always call those who reveal our secrets traitors.
                    And those who revealed the secret to us, the sane...
                    The paradox of double standards,

                    No double standards...those who are for a jar of jam and a pack of cookies, these are traitors. And those who are for the idea, these are sensible.
                    1. 0
                      27 November 2024 16: 28
                      Well, for example, Penkovsky was an ideological person. He hated the Soviet power, even though he himself was a Chekist.
                      And the entire General Staff of the Russian Army in 1917, as well as his brother and personal guard, betrayed Nicholas II for a can of condensed milk?
                      Any betrayal must be condemned, not just that which is not beneficial to us.
                      1. +1
                        27 November 2024 18: 58
                        Well, for example, Penkovsky was an ideological person. He hated the Soviet power, even though he himself was a Chekist.

                        With Penkovsky, with the General Staff, everything is in vain. The generals of the General Staff of the Russian army of 1917 were patriots, not traitors. And Penkovsky... Penkovsky was a vain psycho... Where did you get the idea that he was a Chekist and hated the Soviet power?
                      2. 0
                        28 November 2024 07: 49
                        The generals of the General Staff of the Russian Army of 1917 were patriots, not traitors.

                        Let me correct you a little. Patriots and traitors. Or is breaking an oath not treason these days? I'm telling you, double standards. We propagate them ourselves.
                        And Penkovsky served in the KGB, in his early years he was an operative. He himself admitted that he hated the Soviet power, this is in the declassified materials of his case.
                        There is a hit! soldier
        2. -1
          27 November 2024 10: 28
          Again - Comrade Stalin taught us that profitability should be considered on a national scale and for many years. Example - do you think it was profitable to create an atomic bomb at that time?

          No! It's not about profitability and certainly not about profit. It's about the length of the technological chain. If it is necessary to manufacture products by one country, then the length of the chain imposes a limit on the country's population. There cannot be a forge in a village with fewer than 100 households. There cannot be a spaceport in a country with a population of less than 50-70 million. It is impossible to produce smartphones in the millions if 300-500 million people are not involved in their production. Today, only China can produce smartphones. Maybe India. Even having the technology will not allow production on an industrial scale.
          Conclusion: Russia will not be able to produce computers or smartphones. Even car production is questionable. 140 million people are too few for such tasks. Ukraine had aviation and space technologies, but lost them over time.
          What is the solution? Giving birth or importing a couple hundred million people from Asia are not options. There is only one option: International division of labor. "Workers of the world - unite!"
          P.S. Profit from an atomic bomb? The idea is certainly interesting. I believe they are working on it. The results will be known soon.
          1. 0
            27 November 2024 14: 19
            "You can't produce smartphones in the millions if 300-500 million people aren't involved in their production."
            Well, why is that? What if they only need 100 thousand for their own country, and not for the whole world?
            1. +1
              28 November 2024 10: 38
              Making one smartphone is not much easier than making a million of them. To make one smartphone, you need a processor factory. Such a factory cannot be small. Ensuring its workload is not a task for one country. Such factories on the planet can be counted on the fingers of one hand. And there are only two advanced ones. To ensure the work of TSMC with 65 thousand employees, you will need the population of Taiwan at 23 million people. And that's without R&D. Without programming, Google and Android - ah. Only production.
              1. -1
                28 November 2024 12: 12
                "Making one smartphone is not much easier than making a million of them"
                oh, come on, write horror stories. It's easier to make one processor than a million. If you make them only for yourself, not for the whole world. Yes, it will be expensive, but here the state needs to intervene, to skin the raw materials producers. And make something simpler, but quite functional, instead of an iPhone 18
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    4. -2
      28 November 2024 06: 50
      Bring back Soviet power - and the problems will at least be solvable. Leave the bourgeois power - and these problems will bury the country

      Tell this to the Chinese.
      They also built communism. As expected, they went through the Holocaust and conducted other experiments.
      Then market reforms began. The results are obvious.

      The current system "doesn't work" not because of capitalism, but because of the incompetent people who only make promises and don't do anything.

      Look how many state-owned enterprises, the same Rostec, are completely controlled by the state, what's the point?

      Under capitalism or communism, putting a fool in charge will not produce results.
      1. -1
        28 November 2024 12: 18
        "Look how many state-owned enterprises, the same Rostec, are completely controlled by the state, what's the point?"
        Do you know Deripaska? Well, the one who screwed up Russian aluminum to the Americans? A private person is a private person. Now our aluminum cookware is almost the same price as silver laughing I can remember someone else
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  3. -2
    25 November 2024 05: 51
    In the past, we have overlooked a lot. And first of all, we have stopped developing the production of means of production. When Dmitry Ustinov was the Minister of General Machine Building, then responsibility for new types of weapons, for the development of space lay here. Colossal funds were poured in. But they were justified by the reliable defense of the country. All high technologies are associated with the work of scientists, designers. But they, too, have long been not free artists. They need orders from above. And this means that those at the top must be little inferior to the performers in terms of knowledge. That's how it all looks.
  4. +12
    25 November 2024 06: 49
    With the current government, nothing good awaits us in the future.
    1. +14
      25 November 2024 08: 28
      No one is waiting for us in the future, especially with the current government.
    2. -13
      25 November 2024 11: 05
      Do you want EBN again?))) or a figure of Gorby's caliber?)))
      1. +4
        25 November 2024 14: 24
        "Do you want EBN again?"
        And how is his successor different? He's not tall and doesn't drink on camera?
        1. -7
          25 November 2024 19: 55
          Well, in order to understand the difference, it is enough to compare the GDP at the end of the 90s and now.
          If under the EBN the economy shrank to the level of the Dutch, now according to the IMF (unfriendly)
          to the Russian Federation organizations) - the Russian Federation ranks fourth in the world in GDP by PPP. I can name a bunch of projects off the top of my head
          implemented over the last 10 years, and you remember the same ones during the time of EBN. So, let's go-
          Crimean Bridge, Ust-Luga Terminal, Yamal LNG Terminal, Turkish Stream, Power of Siberia,
          icebreakers of project 22220, Kalibr, Zircon, Sarmat, SU-57, Rostselmash and PTZ combines,
          frigates 22350, SSBNs and multipurpose submarines, beautiful cities were defended - Moscow (remember Moscow in the 90s?),
          Sochi, St. Petersburg, Kazan, Grozny and many others, an underwater telescope at the bottom of Lake Baikal, their own lithograph,
          The 2018 World Cup and the 2014 Olympics were brilliantly held. Well, that's enough, although we can continue. Now it's your turn.
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          2. +2
            27 November 2024 14: 23
            "Well, now it's your turn."
            "Comment has been removed. Comment has been removed."
            our turn is being removed for an unenthusiastic way of thinking, like this
          3. +1
            27 November 2024 18: 18
            your lithograph

            As someone who knows a little about the subject, I find this very funny. Where you found your lithographs is not clear.
            1. 0
              28 November 2024 16: 26
              Russia has made a significant step forward in the field of microelectronics with the creation of the first domestic lithograph capable of producing chips up to 350 nanometers in size. This was reported by Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Vasily Shpak.

              "We have assembled and made the first domestic lithograph. It is currently undergoing testing as part of the technological line in Zelenograd," Shpak said.
              1. 0
                29 November 2024 18: 44
                Well, read about what kind of domestic lithograph this is: https://habr.com/ru/companies/ruvds/articles/830716/
                1. 0
                  30 November 2024 14: 20
                  Even if it is so. The fact that we, in this lithograph, installed our own laser, and the rest of the hardware is from friendly Belarus, is not so bad (not from the USA, I note, or Taiwan). Let me remind you that at Milandra, on imported equipment, 90 nm microcircuits are produced, which are used for the needs of the defense industry and from which, for example, radars or avionics of the same SU-57 or SU-35 are made. And nevertheless, these aircraft are not only not inferior to the F-35, but in some aspects even surpass it. So I don’t see anything bad in the fact that with the help of the Belarusians we will first create a 350 nm lithograph, and then a 90 nm one, replacing imported equipment. In your article, the author made me smile, of course, when he said that the reason for the absence of a domestic lithograph is isolation))) And earlier they shared with us the secrets of producing chips of 10 nm technology, for example)))) As for the 350 nm lithograph, the laser is ours, as I understood from the article. And this means that the lithograph is not a completely Belarusian product. After all, Apple is considered an American brand, although the artificial sapphire in its camera is supplied by Stavropol Monocrystal, and the Chinese are filling a dozen more positions.
                  1. 0
                    30 November 2024 23: 40
                    As for the 350 nm lithograph, the laser is ours, as I understood from the article.

                    Maybe then we shouldn't shout that we have our own lithograph? But say that we made an important part for a foreign device.

                    And only a prototype has been made. It may still be a long way to a serial device. MS-21 will not let you lie.
          4. +3
            27 November 2024 23: 34
            under the GDP, in 25 years, they successfully liquidated almost all the industry that was in the RSFSR
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  5. +7
    25 November 2024 07: 15
    Naive citizens of Russia, did you really think it was true that a Russian official would work in the interests of his country without fear of being shot?
    1. +9
      25 November 2024 08: 35
      Does he even know how to work? They weren't put there for that. They were there to master the budget.
    2. -10
      25 November 2024 11: 04
      Well, who keeps the economy afloat under sanctions? Surely it is you? We were promised in the West an economy torn to shreds, but in fact I do not see the standard of living of the population falling much. And the West itself, from its sanctions, received economic problems.
  6. +13
    25 November 2024 07: 21
    So what are we talking about, there is simply no production, what they say about native brands is just stickers on Chinese goods with a decent markup. And this is in almost any business, both small and large...
    1. +12
      25 November 2024 07: 41
      Quote from turembo
      it's simple stickers on Chinese goods

      And the stickers themselves were produced in China...
    2. +10
      25 November 2024 08: 36
      But-but. Our thieves are completely our own, domestic ones!!!!
      1. -6
        25 November 2024 11: 01
        Well, there are no less thieves in the West))) since corruption has penetrated into Biden's presidential family)))
      2. +3
        25 November 2024 14: 26
        "Our thieves are completely our own - domestic!!!!"
        drinks
    3. +12
      25 November 2024 08: 36
      The dollar, euro, yuan exchange rate is growing.. some goods have already become more expensive, others will become more expensive and attention question.. what relation do goods produced in Russia have to the growth of the exchange rate? It turns out that raw materials are imported from there? Then where is ours? On the basis of which small and medium businesses have risen so much? Medicines will become more expensive, if they have not already become more expensive, are they imported or from imported components.
      1. -4
        25 November 2024 11: 04
        Or made on imported equipment. Forget about this crazy idea of ​​Juche. We are not in the 12th century with a subsistence economy. A single world market has been a reality for 200 years.
        1. +8
          25 November 2024 11: 09
          Forget about this crazy idea of ​​Juche
          Only Russia has not fit into the world market...for 200 years and the last 33 years, well, only as a raw materials base...
          1. +3
            25 November 2024 11: 16
            Well, you see, it fits in perfectly as a raw material base:)) Not everyone can be a top manager. Gold miners are needed too:))
            1. +5
              25 November 2024 11: 19
              Yeeeess ...
              1. +4
                25 November 2024 14: 29
                Or hillocks in a prison workshop. This is closer to the truth, in my opinion. However, the English have been doing something similar for hundreds of years in Asia and Africa. It was not the Europeans who caught the slaves. But the locals exterminated themselves. And the Europeans carefully did not allow large and powerful states to emerge.
          2. -5
            25 November 2024 19: 36
            Well, according to Soluyanov, only a third of Russia's exports are oil and gas. And in GDP, oil and gas account for 16-17%. So we are far from Norway, where oil and gas account for 26%. For some reason, no one calls Norway a gas station.
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      2. +3
        25 November 2024 14: 29
        "what is the relationship between goods produced in Russia"
        goods produced in Russia are extremely rare in our latitudes. at the level of statistical error. no, there is something of our own - grain, oil, vegetable oil, gas, timber. but it mainly goes abroad
        1. 0
          29 November 2024 12: 40
          Visit the site "made in our country" more often, you will know what Java produces)))
          1. 0
            30 November 2024 17: 43
            "Visit the "Made by Us" website more often"
            oh well, we found the source. there, basically - soon it will be, they will build a plant. especially often - a new plant has started to produce products, and if you start to delve into it - the old, still Soviet plant has had its gates painted and its sign changed. no, they are building something, and new places, 10-15 pieces are being formed, but this site does not bring very bright news, if you check them laughing . and these goods, mainly, go abroad, the same vegetable oil, or grain
            1. 0
              30 November 2024 18: 17
              Of course, they are going, let's say the Russian Federation is one of the world's largest grain exporters, but there is one BUT.
              The domestic market is saturated with grain. And why not sell the surplus abroad. The situation, by the way, is fundamentally different from the "Holodomor". Then the same West, even for gold, refused to sell machine tools to the young USSR, and sold only for grain. And in order to implement the plans for industrialization of the USSR, it went for it. By the way, this fact is often hushed up, but it served as the main factor in the so-called "Holodomor", which the same West frightens the whole world. There are plenty of Russian goods. Recently I argued with one comrade about Russian tractors and combines. He was very upset that the Volgograd tractor plant was closed.
              I came to redirect him to both the PTZ website and the Rostselmash website.
              And at the same time report that the same Rostselmash exports 20% of its products.
              On the PTZ website, Europe and the USA are listed among external consumers. I won’t even mention
              that about 100 more companies in the Russian Federation produce seeders, harrows, binders, plows and
              cultivators and much more. And I myself, when I go to the village, see what kind of tractors and
              what kind of agricultural machinery works in the fields. Occasionally you'll come across a dinosaur from the USSR.
              And so domestic equipment. Yes, I just came from the knife exhibition "Arsenal",
              what's on Tishinka in Moscow. (I confess, since I'm not indifferent to knives). Another 10-15 years
              ago the dream was to buy CRKT, Goldstile, Microtech or Spyderco. Now Vorsma, AIR,
              Kizlyar, Cheburkov's workshop, Semin's workshop, Iron brothers, Kasatkin forge
              They produce such folding and fixed-length guns...all these American products don't even come close.
              And our prices are lower and the material is better - from M390 to Russian damask steel, our own Damascus steel - zdi-1016,
              any handle - from Karelian birch (stabilized it looks like marble) to elk horn
              and wenge with hornbeam. This is not the American shitty plastic. Although you can order a handle made of plastic.
              There is even, say, a knife constructor on AIR, where you can create whatever you like,
              and they will implement it for you.
              As for "made by us" - examples in the studio with gate painting. I think so, since you are there
              frequent guest You must have a bunch of them))) And the news there is verified. They are taken either from the manufacturer's websites,
              or from the regional feed.
              1. +1
                30 November 2024 19: 09
                "The domestic market is saturated with grain. And why not sell the surplus abroad?"
                golden words! saturated, but bread prices are rising, and not by kopecks, but by rubles. and high-quality grain is sold abroad, and we are left with feed grain, from which you can neither bake bread nor make pasta. and it is sold as grain, not flour. the Turks have become richer than ever on flour from our grain laughing
                "Just recently I was arguing with a friend about Russian tractors and combines. He was very upset that the Volgograd tractor plant was closed."
                and what, they didn't close it? is it still working? and such a small thing as bearings. how many bearing factories are operating in the Russian Federation? and how many bearings are needed for one combine, tractor, car, airplane and ship?
                "When I go to the village I see what kind of tractors and
                "what kind of agricultural machinery works in the fields"
                so how much time has passed, most of the galoshes from the ussr have long been in scrap metal. in the ussr, in the 70s, it was very difficult to find a tractor or combine from the 40s
                "And so is domestic technology"
                Can you tell me the brands of domestic tractors, I seem to have forgotten something?
                and besides Rostselmash there were also combine factories what happened to them? after all it is cheaper to make a combine in Krasnoyarsk than to transport it from Rostov. and there should be different combines
                "Yes, I just came from the Arsenal knife exhibition,"
                Well, yes, this is a very necessary and important production, it raises the economy to an incredible level laughing . these are just toys, and the factories and workshops there are toy ones, and there are three jobs for four factories. Is there anything else for example?
                "As for "made by us" - examples in the studio with gate painting. And the news there is verified"
                I don't go there often, but once, maybe five years ago, a similar conversation took place, and one of the regulars of this site gave an example about the construction of a plastics plant in Budyonnovsk, supposedly it was built only recently, a huge number of jobs, and the country and abroad were filled with products. And also, the plant's website was offered for viewing. But I know that this is not true - I live nearby and have friends in the city, but I went to the site. And they write there that the plant was built in the 70s of the last century, and quite recently they changed the sign and painted not only the gates, but also some of the buildings and equipment. Oh wow! Some comrades gave some more examples of similar construction, and the adept of the "made-in-our-own" sect quickly disappeared. But I decided to walk around the site, since I was already there. Yes, some things are being built, and have even been built, and even products are being manufactured. but it's all somehow childish, some kind of knife workshop, like your arsenal, with a dozen workers and to order, or something similar. not a single nail factory, hardware factory with a scale of thousands of tons of products was found, not a single VGTZ or there, LTZ was also not there
                1. -1
                  30 November 2024 20: 37
                  Is there any reason to say that feed grain is being supplied to the domestic market?
                  There is no bread in your region? Or pasta? We have plenty of both in Yaroslavl.
                  The Turks can enrich themselves as much as they want - that's what trade is for. But we are not at a loss either - we sold the grain.
                  Imagine the Volgograd plant is working. It was just put into defense production.
                  Domestic tractor models? Go to the PTZ website - here are five for you
                  1-Kirovets K-708PK7 (loader)
                  2-Kirovets K-525 -250 hp
                  3-Kirovets K-530T (300hp)
                  4-Kirovets K-730M
                  5-Kirovets 742m
                  In general, there are more than 20 models of different tractors and loaders on the Kirovites website.
                  Tractors from the USSR? Well, if it works, why throw it away? Look at the B-52 bomber in the USA, it's been flying for 70 years already)) and it's okay.
                  Besides, Soviet tractors are a very rare beast, as I wrote. I have only seen them twice in the last 10 years.

                  Rostselmash, by the way, also produces tractors of the 2000 series. (There are several models on the website)
                  But of course, his specialty is combines.
                  1-Nova
                  2-Vector410
                  3-Vector 450
                  4-T-500
                  5-Akros
                  There are about 10 models on the site.
                  Why are other factories closed? So Rostselmash covers all the need for combines. I repeat, in the fields of the Russian Federation 61% (this is already a cosmic percentage!!!)
                  domestic equipment (and it is planned to increase it to 80 by 27. In addition, Rostselmash also exports 20% of its products. Where else are the factories?
                  In total, there are about 100 factories in the Russian Federation that specialize in agricultural machinery. In addition to tractors and combines, seeders, plows, threshers, cultivators are needed,
                  binders, etc. And all of this is produced in the Russian Federation.


                  Bearing production-
                  1-JSC "Moscow Aviation Bearing Plant"
                  Moscow
                  Bearings of different groups with diameters from 8 mm to 2 m. for machine tools, metallurgy, military-industrial complex
                  2-OOO "GPZ-2 Tver" - Production of railway bearings
                  3-OAO Saratov Bearing Plant - Bearings for automobile, railway, aviation, marine transport
                  4-Kursk Plant of Thrust Bearings - Now it is APZ-20.
                  Produces radial, thrust, and needle bearings with UBP marking.
                  5-Penza Bearing Plant-Rolling, linear, roller, cardan, thrust bearings
                  6-Vologda Bearing Plant - Over 1700 sizes of ball and roller bearings.
                  And so in the Russian Federation on the site I found 16 bearing factories. I think for the Russian Federation it is quite enough)))

                  Knives are also an indicator. Of course, these are not tractors or airplanes. But even in this insignificant industry, Russian manufacturers are among the best in the world.
                  There is only one competitor - the Chinese. Their models are even more interesting, but the materials are worse.

                  My friend... Your glorious nonsense about the Budyonovsky plant is meaningless. I have long since stopped believing in such tales told by someone.
                  Go to the site and see a few examples (after all, you claim that there are plenty of such "Potemkin villages" there).
                  After that, let's talk.
                  1. +1
                    1 December 2024 09: 20
                    "that feed grain is going to the domestic market?"
                    you probably forgot, or maybe never knew, the taste of real bread? modern bread does not crumble into sawdust and does not grow mold in your place? and its prices do not rise? so, in your Yaroslavl a piece of the USSR has been preserved laughing
                    "My friend... Your glorious nonsense about the Budyonovsky plant is meaningless. I have long since stopped believing in such tales told by someone.
                    Go to the site and see some examples"
                    I am not your friend. You can go to the plastics plant website yourself, but you don't know when it was built.
                    https://yandex.ru/video/preview/3487947830741981243, это не про этот завод? и вот эти заводы, о которых вы взахлёб рассказываете, они сами подшипники делают, или собирают их из китайских шариков?
                    Your empty talk is meaningless. I have long since stopped believing in such tales told by someone.
                    https://checko.ru/company/mzap-1057746369471- вот ещё о заводе. действительно, потёмкинская деревня. и это только первый в списке, и нет у меня времени сейчас подробно этим заниматься. как чуть разгребусьс делами, обязательно поковыряысь в этих сайтах. после этого и поговорим. а вы пока в ножички поиграйтесь laughing
                    1. 0
                      2 December 2024 18: 22
                      Dear NOT friend))) Why should I go to the website of a plastics plant,
                      when the point of the question was not about that. But about the fact that you will acquaint me, since you already claimed
                      with a clear eye, that the information on the website "made by us" does not correspond to reality,
                      with several examples of this discrepancy.))))Instead of this, you hang some link about ZIL,
                      you are constantly jumping off topic and deviating from the original course)))) I am waiting for examples from you
                      from the site "made by us", otherwise I will tell you that you are a windbag)))
                      As for the Moscow APZ, it was indeed closed. But the production capacity
                      it was transferred to Samara, where it was decided to concentrate production capacities
                      for the production of bearings for aviation. However, the word goes to the main actors-
                      "According to the official version of the EPC, this was done with the aim of optimizing business processes within the group.
                      "The production of aircraft bearings is now concentrated in one place. In fact,
                      The Moscow enterprise duplicated the Samara ZAP,” the head of the plant commented.
                      EPC press service Andrey Sobolev. “100% of the equipment from MZAP has been transported to Samara,
                      “a total of 70 machines,” he said.
                      “The appearance of new equipment at the Samara plant has led to an expansion of production,”
                      - says the head of the press service of JSC ZAP, Liliya Abdulina.
                      So calm down - bearings for aviation are produced. By the way, if you need it, you can, directly on
                      on the website there and order any bearing of the required profile and for any configuration.
                      What do such orders mean? It is correct that this is a full-cycle enterprise, which means
                      All production is concentrated at the plant and no Chinese balls are delivered to Samara.
                      At least to the aircraft bearings plant. No, if you have invoices from Samara
                      factory from China or other compelling evidence, other than your empty chatter, please come into the studio.
                      But I'm afraid it will be the same as with the examples of unreliable information from the site "made by us."
                      As for forage bread - court decisions that all bakeries violate GOST
                      do you have in hand? Or again, only your words and memories of the taste of bread?
                      And I'll get busy with the knives. Moreover, I've already ordered one from Cheburkov. Unlike your chatter-
                      he is quite tangible proof that the knife industry in the Russian Federation is alive and well))))
                      1. 0
                        Yesterday, 19: 13
                        "I'm waiting for examples from your website "made by us", otherwise I'll tell you that you're a windbag)))"
                        I don't care about your opinion. I told you that I'll have time and figure it out. I just found it, not about what was done here, but about the situation in the domestic bearing industry in general. There are a lot of letters there, and nothing about knives, but read it, it will be useful for you - https://ritm-magazine.com/ru/public/podshipnikovaya-otrasl-v-rf-tekushchee-sostoyanie-i-perspektivy.
                        "As for forage bread - do you have in hand court decisions that all bakeries violate GOST? Or again, only your words"
                        no, that's not it, it's enough for me that I remember and know. as far as I understand, you don't need that. I can find something, like about bearings, but these are not court decisions laughing
                        "In contrast to your chatter, he is quite tangible proof that the knife industry in the Russian Federation is alive and well))))"
                        Well, yes, this is a very necessary and important branch of industry, and, for sure, they write about it in our country
                        ")Instead of this, you hang some link about ZIL, in every way jump off the topic and evade"
                        have you looked at these links? in my opinion, this is still about the bearing plant, which is gpz1, and not about zil
                        "As for the Moscow APZ, it was indeed closed"
                        and what am I talking about? I'm saying that the very first example on your list doesn't exist. if you dig further, it won't be the only one. read the article that I recommend to you, you'll learn a lot of new things for yourself
                        "What do such orders mean? It is correct that this is a full-cycle enterprise, which means that all production is concentrated at the plant and no Chinese balls are delivered to Samara."
                        Are you sure about this? Maybe they just roll bearings entirely from China, and they just scratch them, it's made here, like everywhere else?
                        I just looked at what they write about what we have done - factories for the production of plaster, dry mixes, chipboard, in short, everything for construction, which is now at a dead end. Are these factories necessary? Are the old ones not enough? Besides, cosmetic factories, factories for the production of cat food and detergents. Also necessary and important industries, the only problem is that so many of them have already been built, the shelves in stores are bursting with their products. And the prices, characteristically, are not decreasing, but only growing, well, this is clear, the costs need to be recouped, and quickly. Some kind of mega-hangar for airplanes, which in ten years will not exist at all. And what will be in this hangar then? An exhibition of knives? And it is also unknown when it will be built laughing
                        https://www.ng.ru/economics/2023-07-26/1_8783_bread.html
                        here about the quality of bread. what else can you find? meat, milk, clothes? medicines, household appliances?
                        and you continue to play with knives, for you it is very important. knives will save the economy of Russia
  7. +2
    25 November 2024 08: 49
    Even such economic monsters as China and the USA do not have access to import substitution, and these countries are closely involved in the global division of labor.
    1. +2
      25 November 2024 09: 05
      That's it, a good typo - it's precisely about LAZINESS. Why work, it's easier to buy
    2. +10
      25 November 2024 09: 10
      These countries are closely involved in the global division of labor.
      And Russia doesn't participate in anything... Except perhaps in the consumption of goods manufactured "Somewhere out there in the Wild West" (c)
      1. 0
        25 November 2024 10: 53
        Not really, there were good international projects, for example Superjet, Japan with its similar project was not even able to enter into series production having spent a large amount of money, China, using the same scheme (COMAC ARJ21 Xiangfeng) began work at about the same time as the Superjet program, but entered into series production much later.
        Back in 2008, Angstrom bought AMD equipment, there was a lot of cooperation in the auto industry, the first joint venture with Cummins was also organized back in 2009, as was ZF, and localization gradually increased, and there was a lot of other things.
        It would have remained if the SVO had gone according to plan, conditionally ended plus or minus according to the Crimean scenario, then the sanctions would have been plus or minus the same. Therefore, until the SVO ends in some form, talking about “import mixing” in my opinion is completely pointless, it will not be real, simply because of the lack of resources and the market.
        1. +5
          25 November 2024 11: 06
          So until the SVO ends in some form
          The SVO will not end, there will be a temporary respite. Russia itself opened an Arab-Israeli conflict between the Slavs. The worst case scenario is that it surrendered, everything was returned, and who would deal with such a partner in the long term? Only as a source of resources. Some mythical victory, well, maybe if someone in Ukraine overthrows the current regime and throws themselves at Russia's feet: "Mother, forgive the spies." A military victory is unlikely. It was Shchors during the civil war who could liberate Kyiv with a small force from superior troops. Yes, then, with a small force, almost all of Ukraine was liberated for obvious reasons. Will force the West, Ukraine, to sign something when they say "there is no more strength to hold on" (c) This will be a truce, but the main thing will be achieved, a powerful military-economic union on the territory of the CIS will not be created.
          1. +2
            25 November 2024 11: 28
            The worst case scenario is that I gave in, everything was returned, and who would want to deal with such a partner in the future?


            I don't support this option in any way, but for example, the US and China were disappointed in Vietnam and stopped cooperating with them? Or when the USSR unsuccessfully went to Poland? If there is an economic interest, they will get involved.
            In my opinion, there is no well-thought-out strategy for what to do next, since it was apparently expected that, in general, anti-Russian protests would not be large in Ukraine.
            1. +2
              25 November 2024 11: 41
              Don't compare, the examples given are not at all. What will happen in case of surrender is stronger than Goethe's Faust. The Soviet-Polish war. So what? Europe only sighed with relief, thank God, it worked out, and it could have been worse. The PRC, in Vietnam, did not pay special attention to this. The defeat of the USA in Vietnam did not result in political instability in the world, many nations decided that it was possible to resist the USA, in Europe there was a rise of the left movement, all sorts of Red Army Factions, Red Brigades, etc.
              In my opinion, there is no well-thought-out strategy for SVO.
              Where would it come from if the entire strategy is at the imperial level? Without taking into account the Soviet experience. Next year is the anniversary of the formation of the Far Eastern Republic. Without a war with the USA and Japan, the occupiers were driven out of the Far East.
              1. +1
                25 November 2024 12: 25
                The defeat of the USA in Vietnam resulted in political instability in the world, many nations decided that it was possible to resist the USA, in Europe there was a rise of the left movement, all sorts of Red Army Factions, Red Brigades, etc.


                This is all well and good for a lecture by a political instructor, the question is still the same: have they stopped cooperating economically with the US, has Europe broken off or at least reduced economic relations?
                1. +2
                  25 November 2024 12: 42
                  This is all well and good for a political officer's lecture.
                  Ugh, how rude, if there are no arguments, you have to quit, something like an insult. laughing
                  And economic cooperation did not stop even during the Vietnam War. European democracies did not even condemn it. Ordinary French, British, etc. condemned it... Even the Beatles whined a little... in protest. In case of defeat, Russia will be milked even more, sanctions will not be lifted and frozen money will not be returned, they will not invest money to make a second China out of it. And about the political instructor... The Far Eastern Republic is a reality of the past and an excellent idea that has been brilliantly implemented. The current authorities cannot boast of such a thing. And they will not tell the whole country about it. The Far Eastern Republic is not the Cathedral of Dieterichs. If you have any objections to the Far Eastern Republic, write.
                  1. +2
                    25 November 2024 12: 53
                    And economic cooperation did not stop even during the Vietnam War. European democracies did not even condemn

                    That's what we're talking about.
                    1. +4
                      25 November 2024 13: 18
                      The comparison is not a good one, the USA and modern Russia. The former still has something to offer the world, while Russia has behaved humiliatingly for many years, even towards itself, and has shown ambitions.
                      1. +2
                        25 November 2024 15: 25
                        Russia can offer resources, just as the USSR did during the industrialization period; not long ago, the Czech Republic announced that it was again switching to purchasing Russian gas because it was cheaper.
                        Another question is how the state will manage the funds received.
                      2. +3
                        25 November 2024 15: 42
                        The Czech Republic has announced that it is again switching to purchasing Russian gas because it is cheaper.
                        And gas tankers won't get there either. wink
                        Another question is how the state will manage the funds received.

                        They will buy American bonds wink
                      3. +2
                        25 November 2024 15: 51
                        Will buy American bonds wink


                        Unfortunately, this option is also possible.
                      4. +2
                        25 November 2024 16: 47
                        "Another question is how the state will manage the funds received"
                        the state will get only crumbs from those funds, but what will it do with it? Well, it will compensate the losses of those affected by the sanctions, and with the rest it will buy beer, for fun laughing
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                      6. 0
                        27 November 2024 00: 13
                        Czech Republic isn't switching to purchasing gas from Russia. They just signed gas contract with Algeria and are moving away from Russian gas.



                        https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-11-15/czechs-turn-to-russian-gas-again-as-cost-of-alternatives-bites?embedded-checkout=true
        2. 0
          25 November 2024 11: 07
          Superjet is just fire wink
          1. 0
            25 November 2024 11: 21
            Oh, what's not fire, a serial aircraft with good parameters, with international certification.
  8. -2
    25 November 2024 09: 48
    ...They obeyed the Donkey: they sat down in a row in an orderly manner;
    Still, the Quartet neydet fret.
    Here more than ever they went to the analysis
    And disputes,
    Who and how to sit.
    Nightingale happened to fly their noise.
    Here, asking everything to him, so that they can be solved by doubt.
    "Perhaps," they say, "take patience for an hour,
    To Quartet in order our lead:
    And we have the notes, and the instruments are,
    Just tell us how to sit down! "-
    "To be a musician, skill is needed
    And your ears are poorer,
    The Nightingale answers them, -
    And you, friends, no matter how you sit down;
    You’re not good at musicians. "

    Krylov Ivan Andreevich
    1. +7
      25 November 2024 10: 05
      And don’t tell me, for 33 years they sit down, change seats, sell the instrument, then buy it again... and the notes lie on the shelf and the Nightingale speaks, to no avail...
  9. +5
    25 November 2024 10: 21
    The population has been watching these performances from their auditoriums for 33 years now.
    In the 90s, many former Soviet people from this room died, unable or unwilling to fit into the gangster way of destroying and eating up the country. Those who remained, adapted and gradually became part of the people, betraying their country together with the authorities for sausage, mortgages and consumer loans.
    There comes a moment of truth.
    The enemy is already ready to destroy colonial Russia with forces more than 4,1 times superior and to block through its colonial administration any attempts by the country to save itself.
    The auditorium has been quietly transformed into a cozy enclosure at the European slaughterhouse.
    Do we really think that we can continue to remain spectators with our children?
    1. +2
      25 November 2024 10: 48
      The population has been watching these performances from their auditoriums for 33 years now.
      Ilya Muromets also lay on the stove for 33 years, then the Magi came and raised him to his feet. We are waiting for the arrival of the Magi... or the arrival of the wolves into the pen.
      1. man
        0
        26 November 2024 21: 02
        Quote: kor1vet1974
        The population has been watching these performances from their auditoriums for 33 years now.
        Ilya Muromets also lay on the stove for 33 years, then the Magi came and raised him to his feet. We are waiting for the arrival of the Magi.

        So his legs were paralyzed, so he was only able to communize what he could reach. And he was alone... so it was a bad example. request
    2. -12
      25 November 2024 11: 00
      Another doomsayer))) Let me remind you, my dear, that the Russian economy has withstood and continues to withstand sanctions that would make even the hegemon breathe heavily))
      1. +3
        25 November 2024 11: 07
        It endures only because the hegemon still needs Russia alive.
        Who will NATO and Japan go to war with if Russia starts to disintegrate now?
        Who will destroy the people of Russia if this war does not start?
        The undestroyed people will sweep away the colonial power and will reach out to the nuclear weapons.
        The Russian nuclear weapons cannot be destroyed either - they are necessary to keep China from seizing Eastern Siberia.
        So everything is going according to plan for now. According to THEIR plan.
        That's how it is. In this section.
        1. +6
          25 November 2024 11: 25
          Withstands

          Of course it can withstand it, there are sanctions, but they don’t seem to exist, a lot comes to Russia at a more favorable price using various schemes, which were cheaper before the sanctions, but turbo-patriots are sure that this is a powerful economy that can afford, for example, to destroy the Volgograd Tractor Plant.
          1. -5
            25 November 2024 20: 11
            Well, in addition to the Volgograd Tractor Plant, there is PTZ and Rostselmash. And judging by everything, for example, Rostselmash exports 20% of its products - this is quite enough for the production of agricultural equipment. Although in the Russian Federation there are about 100 more enterprises specializing in this topic, but producing seeders, harrows, plows, threshers, binders, etc. And now the former Volgograd Tractor Plant works for the needs of the defense industry, which, considering that there are people who produce tractors without it, may be more important.
            1. man
              +1
              26 November 2024 21: 12
              And now former Volgograd tractor plant works for defense industry needs, which, considering that there are people who produce tractors without him, may be more important.
              Could you please provide a link, because I couldn't find anything, there's only old stuff on the Internet request hi
              1. 0
                29 November 2024 13: 31
                https://www.agroinvestor.ru/markets/news/40881-dolya-otechestvennoy-selkhoztekhniki-k-2025-godu-dolzhna-vyrasti-do-80/
                And also the PTZ websites, with a product catalog and a list of partners to help.
                You can also go to the Rostselmash website. But it specializes more in combines.
          2. 0
            27 November 2024 20: 00
            And note that no one can object to you regarding the STZ. hi
        2. -2
          25 November 2024 13: 12
          Well, this is nothing more than your fantasies) Compare what was in Russia in the 90s with what is happening now, in order to understand when the people of the Russian Federation were destroyed. In addition, Zarad himself has repeatedly stated that his task is the strategic defeat of the Russian Federation, and he is not shy about sanctions, not to mention the recent attacks by Atakasi and Sheldas on the territory of the Russian Federation. So, it is not at all clear that the West is not pressing hard enough. And if he did not want the destruction of the Russian Federation, there would not be regular attempts to invade, from the West, on the territory of Russia for centuries. Who should Zarad and Japan fight with - well, at least with China.
          Is China planning to take over Siberia?))) Remember how many times China attacked us in the history of our countries and how many times the West did.))) So it is not China that we should be afraid of and it is not China that we should hit with hazelnuts)))
          1. -1
            25 November 2024 13: 17
            Is China planning to take over Siberia?))) Remember how many times China attacked us in the history of our countries and how many times the West did.))) So it is not China that we should be afraid of and it is not China that we should hit with hazelnuts)))

            If Russia is destroying itself and, by being destroyed, is creating a threat to China of the US/UK on its northern border, shouldn't China retaliate?
            If Russia doesn’t need itself.
            China is our only ticket to the future, but only if we ourselves are willing to survive and get it.
            1. -6
              25 November 2024 13: 24
              And why do you think that Russia is destroying itself? And that it doesn't need itself? What are your grounds for saying this? So far I see that the Russian Federation's economy is withstanding unprecedented sanctions, successfully resisting almost 50 countries in the North-Eastern Military District, creating weapons systems that even "technologically advanced" countries don't have, building icebreakers and LNG terminals, spaceships and Su-57, Zircons and 22350, Tu 214 and MS 21, Rostselmash and PTZ combines. Moscow, according to UNESCO, is one of the most advanced megalopolises. Have you been to Kazan? Or Grozny?
              1. -4
                25 November 2024 13: 32
                Because the war against Russia by the many times superior forces of NATO and Japan has already been prepared by the USA/Great Britain.
                On our (!) territory a bridgehead has been created for the capture of the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant by superior NATO forces under the flag of the Ukrainian Armed Forces for nuclear blackmail of Russia.
                For years now, Ukraine and I have been destroying each other in favor of the USA/Great Britain.
                These are facts that show that our government has been serving the USA/Great Britain since 1991 and is now leading the country and people to the European slaughter.
                Everything else is a Potemkin village for our people, so that they don’t rebel.
                1. -5
                  25 November 2024 16: 14
                  Well, if our government served the US, there would be no SVO. And the seizure of a bridgehead in the Kursk region, and even more so an attempt to seize the Kursk NPP is fraught. Is it in vain that we launch hazelnuts? So the Russian Federation, in any case, will always play a guaranteed draw. Because with the Poseidons, Sarmatians, Yarses and the Dead Hand it cannot be otherwise.
                  1. -1
                    25 November 2024 16: 23
                    Everyone can cover reality with what they like.
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      2. 0
        27 November 2024 19: 03
        Somehow, there is rampant inflation, which Nabiullina with her interest rate cannot in any way
        (or does not want) to curb, about withstanding sanctions says the opposite. Or did you think that sanctions are something like a switch, clicked and it worked. It does not work like that, the economy of such a large country is a rather inert thing, besides, some measures the government
        accepted and accepts, to the best of their ability. But their capabilities are limited by the interests of big capital. Moreover, the sanctions were introduced by the West carefully, in order to minimize their own damage and their delayed effect.
        1. 0
          28 November 2024 16: 27
          So sanctions have been introduced since 2014. How much longer do we have to wait for them to work?))
          1. 0
            1 December 2024 13: 19
            Since 14, these were just flowers, the berries started to come after 22, for example, Gazprom was practically kicked out of the European market (its share decreased from 40% to 17%), precisely after 22.
            1. 0
              2 December 2024 11: 48
              The gas component accounts for only five percent of Russia's GDP. The entire oil and gas sector is about 16 percent of Russia's GDP. In addition, gas supplies have increased to China. And supplies to Europe are also in the form of LNG and through Turkey. But even if gas supplies stop completely, 5 percent of GDP is not the scale at which the economy collapses. In addition, Russia's GDP grew last year and is expected to grow by about 3,6 percent this year. And if Germany and other Austrians like to pay 30 percent more for gas than the price at which Russia supplied it, that's their business. By the way
              "The energy crisis in Europe, which followed the escalation of the situation around Ukraine, has cost the European economy a trillion euros and has also had a significant impact on the competitiveness of European companies and the well-being of households, said European Commission Vice-President Maroš Šefčovič."
        2. 0
          28 November 2024 16: 29
          10% per year is unbridled inflation?))) Thanks, that's funny. In that case, it's not much less in the States
          1. 0
            1 December 2024 13: 23
            10%? Who told you that, Rosstat, TV? Well, they are still magicians.
            1. 0
              2 December 2024 01: 53
              Exactly? Are you suggesting that we don't believe Rosstat, but believe you?)))))Besides, people from across the ocean and from Europe completely agree with this figure - otherwise there would have been a squeal.
    3. man
      0
      26 November 2024 20: 52
      Quote: Alexey Davydov
      The population has been watching these performances from their auditoriums for 33 years now.
      In the 90s, many former Soviet people from this room died, unable or unwilling to fit into the gangster way of destroying and eating up the country. Those who remained, adapted and gradually became part of the people, betraying their country together with the authorities for sausage, mortgages and consumer loans.
      There comes a moment of truth.
      The enemy is already ready to destroy colonial Russia with forces more than 4,1 times superior and to block through its colonial administration any attempts by the country to save itself.
      The auditorium has been quietly transformed into a cozy enclosure at the European slaughterhouse.
      Do we really think that we can continue to remain spectators with our children?

      What cruel, but fair words... sad
      1. +1
        26 November 2024 22: 40
        In my opinion, it is more cruel and mean towards the country and our children not to seek an opportunity to correct this situation through action.
        1. man
          0
          26 November 2024 22: 43
          Quote: Alexey Davydov
          In my opinion, it is more cruel and mean towards the country and our children not to look for an opportunity to correct this situation.

          I would be glad, but I don’t know how... sad
    4. 0
      28 November 2024 12: 50
      The enemy is already ready to destroy colonial Russia with forces more than 4,1 times superior and to block through its colonial administration any attempts by the country to save itself.

      Tell me, why destroy it?
  10. -3
    25 November 2024 10: 58
    Regarding agriculture, the author made me smile, it seems he doesn't often pick up a shovel.))) Since when is it cheaper to grow and transport, for example, potatoes or wheat from America than to grow them in the Russian Federation?)))
    1. +5
      25 November 2024 11: 11
      For example, they were unable to replace imports of beet seeds, and many other things as well.
      1. -4
        25 November 2024 13: 16
        I use beet seeds in my garden to replace imports, let alone on an industrial scale. It is enough to plant the beetroot, wait until it shoots up and let the seeds ripen. ))) Were you in the "Seeds" stores before the spring season opened? There are plenty of seeds of domestic selection there. Personally, I prefer Smuglyanka or Krasny Shar.
        1. +4
          25 November 2024 13: 19
          No problem, choose...
          1. 0
            25 November 2024 13: 26
            It's not about me, but about the fact that your message about import substitution of beets, excuse me, is a lie. Because I've been in the subject since I was 7 years old and I know the state of agriculture very well, at least in my region.
            1. +4
              25 November 2024 13: 29
              We are talking about sugar beet seeds. Oh, enough, another agricultural activist. There are so many of you here, one thing I don't understand is why everything is getting so expensive so quickly. hi
              1. -7
                25 November 2024 13: 35
                Well, where is it not getting more expensive, tell me? No, there is a way to get everything for free and everything is ecologically clean. Buy a shovel for 600 rubles and go to your mother-in-law or parents' dacha. And you will have beets and potatoes and everything you want. And it will not go up in price))) Again, I will remind you about sanctions. And even those who introduce them are getting more expensive. In the US, egg prices have increased two or three times in the last time. And no problem, they say they have drinking flu. It seems that it should be like that. And how much screaming we had when the price of eggs went up))
                1. +3
                  25 November 2024 13: 37
                  I understood everything and went to buy a shovel. hi Can you write something else like this?
                  1. -3
                    25 November 2024 16: 15
                    Well done))) and you will help the elderly and make a personal contribution to the fact that agricultural products will rise in price at a slow pace))
            2. +1
              25 November 2024 16: 55
              "and the fact that your message about import substitution of beets, excuse me, is a lie"
              we are not talking about the beets that are in borscht, industrial varieties of sugar beets on hundreds of thousands of hectares. there are difficulties. although the ussr had its own varieties, domestic selection, but they disappeared along with the country
              1. 0
                25 November 2024 19: 41
                In 2017, Shchyolkovo Agrokhim joined forces to create competitive sugar beet hybrids with the Rusagro holding, creating the SoyuzSemSvekla joint venture in the Voronezh region.

                The best breeders, specialists in the field of molecular genetics, biotechnologists and seed growers are involved in this project, interacting with the Federal State Budgetary Scientific Institution "All-Russian Research Institute of Sugar Beet and Sugar named after A.L. Mazlumov".
                New hybrids do not rot, unlike foreign root crops, and are resistant to diseases and drought.

                SoyuzSemSvekla has already developed 25 hybrids, 7 of which have been commercialized:
                1-Storm (2020)
                2-Volcano (2020)
                3-Breeze (2020)
                4-Wave (2020)
                5-Tide (2020)
                I won't list all 25 varieties, it'll take too long - I'll limit myself to five)))
  11. +1
    25 November 2024 11: 02
    Evgeny, what are socio-production relations? This is a very complex system of organizing the interaction and interdependence of state power, public power, production enterprises and infrastructure organizations. What place should financial usury and commercial speculation in resources, subsoil, people occupy in this system? None! But for the last 30 years, they have been the foundation of the property structure and the economic structure of the existing regime of the dominance of private property. Moreover, the regime of the "peripheral" oligarchy, built into the global liberal economy, as a raw materials appendage.
    Now, logically, the sacramental question arises: "- What bastard organized all this? Where did she come from, anyway? Or did she fly to us from Mars or Venus? Or were they insidious Western spies who sneakily infiltrated the organs of the Soviet government?"
    In order to answer these questions, before talking about what needs to be done, it is necessary to study and conduct a serious genesis of Russian power over the past 40 years. Who are they in general, who and who were their parents and relatives? Where did they work and what did they do before the destruction of the USSR? What participation and in what structures did they take during the "processes" of privatization and corporatization of Soviet state property, how and by whom did they move up the career ladders of the Soviet Union and the Russian Federation, conduct an analysis of interaction with financial and economic structures and special services of the West, starting from the 60s of the twentieth century, from the moment when the first joint ventures, firms and banks were opened "overseas"? I think that all this will be worthy of its "Nuremberg" trial (and the work of national special services for many, many years of investigating crimes against their own population (...
    ...And the result of the activity of these "Martian" spiders is what you wrote about in your article. But if we still need the most modern social and production relations, since without them it is impossible to create and operate high-tech and science-intensive production, as well as advanced infrastructure for its provision and maintenance, then it is vitally necessary to have a real Social State and serious public authority capable of creating, controlling, and constantly developing these very social and production relations in the interests of the bulk of the working educated and skilled population of Russia. Or we will be "crushed" (.
  12. +9
    25 November 2024 11: 07
    Well, here's a simple example.
    In 2008-12 I worked at the Research Institute of Physical Measurements (Penza). During these years, the budget of the research institute grew by leaps and bounds and reached a phenomenal several billion per year (for reference, my salary and that of people like me was beggarly). Deputy Director for Science Blinov promised for this money miracles of femto-technologies (yes! yes! - femto.., maybe someone still remembers what nano- is and how it relates to femto- and the diameter of a typical atom). A line of piezoceramics was purchased for crazy money. Blinov promised to solve all the country's problems with ultrasound scanners. Piezo-ceramics could have been used in the same hydrophones to protect our naval bases and the fleet located there.
    My impression of the entire leadership there is that there is a herd of pigs that are gobbling up the budget, they won’t let anyone do anything worthwhile and they won’t let anyone into their turf.
  13. 0
    25 November 2024 11: 18
    Personnel, Karl, personnel... Who was Slyusar before, can find out, if you are interested. Then the questions about unsatisfactory results will disappear. And so it is practically everywhere and in everything.
  14. +1
    25 November 2024 11: 29
    If we distance ourselves from the current situation, there is nothing good about import substitution.
    In principle, you don't need to read any further. Everything is already clear)
    Let me briefly explain what I have repeatedly voiced. Namely, why we have such hellish problems with this very substitution.
    Look, I stole, for example, a lot of money. Everyone knows who exactly stole it from us, right? Well, that's it. Who am I? I'm a thief. A talented one. A real master. What can I do in this world? Well, it's clear what - continue stealing! The only problem is that the situation has changed a lot. At the very top, they realized that continuing the merry robbery and plundering would destroy the country. So what to do?
    The first reaction is to run away to the West, dragging as much as possible there in cheek pouches. It doesn't work, the pouches are immediately released there, and the draggers are either thrown into prison or into a ditch with their slippers up. What next? Here's what happens next.
    We need to start the process of "making money work for the country". That is, to found an effective business here. It would seem that if you have a LOT of Money, this is not a problem. But... I'm a thief! What kind of businessman am I? All I can do, all I'm suited for, is to spoil, break, tear into pieces, destroying everything in order to steal as much as possible in the process. Well, that's some kind of "work for the country".
    What's left? All that's left is to go to the Outer West and negotiate there for some goods to be delivered to you. It can be expensive, it's not a pity to lose something stolen! And here you'll create a "holding" that will sell all this. Any thief can handle such a "business". There's just one problem.
    Here, right on the spot, periodically different ones who don't like thieves and even despise them (what scoundrels!!) try to produce their goods, which are no worse than yours, and even cheaper! So from now on you have two tasks. Push Western goods everywhere, and in every way crush those who try to produce something like that here. Need to set up aircraft production? Nothing could be easier) You need to identify those who extract the maximum benefit from deliveries of foreign aircraft, and squeeze them. And so with all types of goods and products that need to be imported. That's all.
  15. 0
    25 November 2024 12: 49
    Maxim Gorshenin | imaxai He talks and has talked about this a lot, somewhere all this was sabotaged and is being sabotaged!
  16. 0
    25 November 2024 13: 36
    The loss of competencies is catastrophic(( There is no way out of this at all(
    Even Stalin had more chances during industrialization, which he took advantage of (the "great depression" helped partially, plus the enthusiasm of the country's population, and in some places, unfortunately, the repressive machine). Now this is completely absent.

    The conditions are very tough now and it won't get any easier, the noose has been put on and the West has no intention of loosening it, all the goals have been announced. The "allies" are stupidly watching us writhe. Is it really true that the only way out is through a big war?
  17. +1
    25 November 2024 13: 41
    A new regulatory body must be created in the government that is well aware of the cost of technological operations of all types, including complex and especially complex ones.

    Such a body can only be created from technicians with extensive practical experience in the main production facilities of the military-industrial complex, research institutes, etc. - it should be, in a way, a technical police that is capable of truly holding a shareholder accountable for the objective failure to comply with the requirements of his enterprise.

    This organization must control and monitor the technological chains of production of all products, even aircraft and ships, across all related enterprises. Analyze the validity of including certain enterprises in the chains, and also control the cost of performing standard operations.

    It would also be useful to have an independent examination of the most important parts in our own laboratories to determine whether they comply with the requirements of the technical specifications.

    This is the minimum program for the elimination of all this, ahem, white furry animal.
    1. man
      +1
      26 November 2024 21: 31
      A new regulatory body must be created in the government that is well aware of the cost of technological operations of all types, including complex and especially complex ones.
      The idea is great... but we have too many untouchables... sad
      Unless we reincarnate Beria...
    2. 0
      29 November 2024 11: 47
      I agree with you. But, for the proposals you listed above, first, a real social state must appear, as a subject of power, economics and politics.
  18. 0
    25 November 2024 13: 42
    The division of the world into a multitude of state entities, each of which, guided by the interests of its ruling class, as far as possible, puts a spoke in the wheel of the natural historical process of world globalization.
    The gradual disappearance of state entities and borders will allow for more rational use of natural resources, labor, transport, production capacity, and everything else.
    The process of globalization has been going on since the creation of the world and cannot be stopped, and the essence of globalization is in its form and purpose.
    The Western capitalist version of globalization, like the EU, pursues the goal of enriching a narrow group of owners of international monopolistic associations through the exploitation of natural resources and people across the planet.
    The Chinese socialist option is not aimed at enriching some narrow group of people, but serves the interests and improving the standard of living of the entire population, and this is its fundamental difference.
    After the coup d'état led by Yeltsin and the restoration of capitalism, elements of two different social systems were formed in the Russian Federation, and the ruling class will determine which course it will take next.
    If the RSPP members do not fight among themselves and do not break up the Russian Federation into their fiefdoms, but choose the option of Western “democracy”, then Western colleagues, partners and friends will certainly help to defragment and decolonize the Russian Federation, which they do not even hide.
    The only force capable of preserving the Russian Federation as a single state entity is the party and dictatorship of the proletariat, similar to the PRC, but the CPRF does not have sufficient and comparable economic support and campaign resources to the RSPP parties. Commenting on the elections in the USA, V.V. Putin said so - without a billion, it makes no sense to even think about the elections, and who will give them to the CPRF and for what gingerbread
    1. 0
      27 November 2024 23: 28
      CPRF - are you kidding me? :-) This is the most well-paid whore in the Russian political brothel
  19. -2
    25 November 2024 15: 10
    The IMF is actively involved in import substitution through its agents in the Central Bank and Putin himself. Since all their advice is aimed at sabotage and stopping this activity. And unlike the government, they act actively. Without financial resources, it cannot exist.
  20. +1
    25 November 2024 18: 00
    A typical picture that came from the Soviet Union.
    I once asked a former colleague from the Scientific Research Institute of Physical Instruments:
    - How is my project - my ideas - my achievement - DHS-25 doing?
    - And what does this have to do with you? Everything is described in books and there is none of your know-how there.

    Well, how are things now at NIIFI with achievements and know-how? Obviously, there are no fools left to work for this crowd.
    1. 0
      27 November 2024 16: 14
      Well, how are things now at NIIFI with achievements and know-how? Obviously, there are no fools left to work for this crowd.

      and for a long time now... but, often there is nowhere to go - only to become their slave
  21. 0
    25 November 2024 22: 30
    Quote: "But what about aviation? They still haven't been able to establish production of completely domestic refrigerators."
    ...What about refrigerators!? I bought galoshes for the dacha in the summer, and on the soles there was scrawled "made in China". The secret of making communist galoshes has been lost. :)))))
  22. 0
    25 November 2024 22: 32
    The last straw should have been the sale of military-industrial complex enterprises to foreign “partners,” but fortunately it did not come to that.

    How did this not come to fruition? Of course it did, and all reasonable limits were crossed. Ours is not a defense enterprise, but some kind of joint-stock company. In 2022 or 2023, some people dug into it and it turned out that all the cartridge factories, through intermediaries, belonged to foreigners. Dig into Wikipedia, forgive me, "https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%8B", what do we see? Managing Director of PJSC Motovilikha Plants, Director of Motovilikha - Civil Engineering LLC. Our main gun plant is a public joint-stock company, the director of an LLC is a picture in oil. And Kurganmashzavod is going through or has gone through bankruptcy in the midst of the SVO. Cool!
  23. 0
    25 November 2024 23: 32
    And Chubais is now sitting somewhere abroad and rubbing his freckled paws...
  24. -1
    26 November 2024 00: 09
    For example, you bought a plot of land in a good location and are thinking of building a house. You have about a third of the money for construction and you start. You expect three years of construction. You build, hire, save, make mistakes due to inexperience. The process continues, there is not enough money and as a result you build for 5 years. That is, you planned for 3 years, but it turned out to be 5 years. The same is true for import substitution planning. The USSR did everything on its own. There were competencies in all industries and production, even if many devices and installations were worse than Western ones. Import substitution has been seriously addressed since about 2014, i.e. 23 years have passed. During this time, many competencies have been lost: specialists have retired, into other more lucrative industries. Young people with no experience came, who, for example, designed the same Il-112 with significant weighting and errors, which led to a disaster. Everything is natural. You can criticize the country's leadership, but unfortunately everything is logical. It is possible to calculate when young people will learn to design airplanes and devices and units for them very approximately, and no effective managers will be of much help here.
  25. 0
    26 November 2024 20: 21
    What did you think? Twenty years of ruining everything, and now in five years to create everything on a new level? Did we have our own personal computers in 1994? - We did! We went to Minsk on a business trip ourselves to get HDDs. And then everything was shut down in an instant. You know how - they told us: "... why the hell do we need you. It's cheaper and better abroad. We'll buy it there..." And that's it. In a year everything went down the drain. Now you can't even find your own capacitors.
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  27. -1
    27 November 2024 12: 36
    In Russia, it is necessary to create a fund for risky innovative solutions. But with the obligatory justification of their authors of their projects. I have been positioning new engines for ten years already and, of course, have not exhausted the know-how. Now this would give complete dominance in the sky and local energy production. I am not talking about hidden and unmarked potential. But the cart is still there and the fire is burning out.
  28. 0
    27 November 2024 13: 44
    Import substitution is a very complicated process. Expensive, long and complicated. The author is crying about airplanes, but nothing happens quickly in this industry. Airbus, Embraer, Bombardier are made in broad international cooperation, without sanctions, even Boeing is not a 100% American aircraft. Superjet and MS-21 were also made based on cooperation and the absence of sanctions, and then everything went to hell... Try sanctions against, for example, Embraer, everything will come to nothing and no import substitution will happen. We can do it, it just doesn't happen quickly. In general, this is a very complicated industry. Remember the Mitsubishi regional MRJ project. Japan is an advanced country, there is a lot of money, the Americans gave engines and avionics, other countries gave some of the systems, engineers and designers worked for many years. The end result is a complete collapse, the program is closed, $3 billion in losses were written off. And this aircraft was even smaller than the Superjet. Something like that.
  29. 0
    27 November 2024 16: 13
    Import Substitution in Russia: Preliminary Results Are Not Consoling

    an incident during landing in Antalya - with our Sukhoi Superjet...
    all this once again clearly shows that nothing in common happens between Statements and Deeds...
    and to re-stick the nameplates... - "great intelligence" - is not required...
  30. 0
    27 November 2024 16: 26
    Replace Prada bags with products from Ivanovo

    hahahahahahahahahahahaha
    Are you seriously?
    at best, they will re-stick the nameplates on Chinese models....
  31. 0
    27 November 2024 19: 50
    And what was import substitution in the Russian Federation? laughing And for the Superjet, some people should be put up against the wall and have their foreheads smeared with green paint.
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  33. 0
    1 December 2024 23: 14
    Do we engage in industrial espionage or not?