How the 1st Pacific Squadron Perished

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How the 1st Pacific Squadron Perished


The fourth assault


On October 17 (30), 1904, after a serious artillery preparations that had noticeably weakened the strength of the defense, the Japanese General Nogi gave the order to begin the third assault (120 years of the heroic defense of Port Arthur).



The assault lasted until October 20 (November 2) and was repelled. The Japanese were able to occupy only a few secondary fortifications. A stubborn, brutal two-month positional struggle with bayonets, shovels and grenades began.

But the Japanese tried to take Port Arthur by storm once more. In early November, the 3rd Japanese Army was reinforced by a new 7th Infantry Division, bringing the army's combat strength to 55-60 thousand bayonets. The Russians could counter them with about 18 thousand fighters. The attack was carried out from two sides: along the Eastern Front and on Mount Vysokaya on the Western Front. The 9-day decisive battle of the entire siege was fought for Mount Vysokaya.

On November 13 (26), 1904, the fourth assault began. Having suffered failures in the attack on the Eastern Front, Forts No. 2 and 3, Nogi decided to conduct a surprise night attack at the junction of the Eastern and Northern Fronts. For this, volunteers were gathered - more than 3 thousand fighters. The strike group was called the "White Suspension Detachment". The white suspenders served as a landmark in the dark. The detachment was commanded by General Nakamura.

On the night of November 14 (27), a Japanese detachment, having gathered at the Kumirnensky redoubt, rushed with bayonets without firing and captured the Kurgan battery, reaching the rear of the Eastern Front. The defense of Port Arthur hung by a thread. But then the Japanese detachment was attacked by a group of Russian sailors - 80 people. Lieutenant Myasnikov's half-company. The sailors attacked the enemy from the mountain, in pitch darkness. The onslaught of a handful of fighters was so unexpected, swift and furious that the Japanese wavered and retreated.


Battle for High


From November 14 (27), Japanese artillery fire was concentrated on Mount Vysokaya. The Japanese went to storm the commanding heights, but were repulsed. On November 15 (28), General Nogi concentrated the fire of all army artillery on Mount Vysokaya. The mountain turned into a volcano. One furious attack followed another. They were all repelled. On November 16 (29), the Japanese threw fresh forces into the battle, but also unsuccessfully.

On November 17, the Japanese created a "fire hell", firing up to 4000 11-inch shells alone. Masses of dust from the explosions clogged the rifle bolts. The Japanese were thrown off the mountain with bayonets. On the 18th, the attacks were already weak, the Japanese were exhausted. From November 19 to 21, the Japanese took a break, rested, and brought up reserves. On November 22 (December 5), they attacked again. High Fall.

In the battles for Vysoka, the Japanese army lost up to 12 thousand soldiers and officers, and about 18 thousand on the entire front. The losses of Russian troops on Vysoka reached 4,5 thousand people, and on the entire front exceeded 6 thousand people.

"The struggle for the High Mountain was a battle of giants; no country in its most glorious era stories “Never put soldiers into the field who fought with such tenacity, courage and contempt for death as the Russian and Japanese infantry did in those days,”
— wrote the French general Grandpré.


On the Hill After the Storm. Artist: N. S. Samokish

The situation for the garrison became critical. By the beginning of December, there were up to 14 thousand people left in the garrison, exhausted by the lack of food, but still strong in spirit. Due to the half-starved existence, "people became shadows." There were up to 10 thousand wounded and sick with scurvy in the hospitals. The forts could fall at any moment: the Japanese had laid mines under them. The 2nd defensive line ("Eagle's Nests") and the 3rd (near the city itself) were significantly weaker than the lost positions; they could not be held for long.

On December 2 (15), 1904, General Kondratenko passed away, having died while patrolling Fort No. 2. The explosion of a 280 mm shell killed the commander of the land front and 8 officers. Port Arthur lost its soul.


Cover of the magazine "Chronicle of the War with Japan" with news about the death of General Kondratenko

The death of the squadron


"Now Arthur's agony has begun!" General Kondratenko said that evening. Having captured Vysokaya, the Japanese set up an observation post there to adjust artillery fire and opened fire from 11-inch howitzers (280 mm) on the ships of the Port Arthur squadron.

From November 22 to 28 (December 5–11) the Japanese fired on our 1st Pacific fleet. The first to perish was the battleship Poltava. On November 22 at 13:30 it was hit by a 280-mm shell, which penetrated the left side, the armored deck, and exploded in the 47-mm shell magazine. A strong fire broke out, heating up the bulkheads, and the flooding system did not function, having been disabled by previous shelling.

An attempt to extinguish the fire with hoses, pouring water through the shell elevator and ventilation pipes, was unsuccessful, the water quickly flowed out through shrapnel holes. Due to the high temperature, at about 14 p.m. the main caliber semi-charges exploded (about 2 tons of gunpowder). As a result, many watertight bulkheads and fire mains were destroyed, one lower rank died and 10 more were wounded (there were about 50 people on the ship). With the help of the steamship Silach, the fire was extinguished. But by 14:45 p.m. Poltava sat on the ground, sinking almost to the upper deck.


Cover of the magazine "Chronicle of the War with Japan" with the news of the death of General Kondratenko

The squadron battleship Pobeda, which had already received several hits from Japanese 120- and 280-mm shells in September and October, received five shells on November 23, and another 23 the following day (out of 270 fired). The watertight bulkheads were damaged in many places, so water spread throughout the ship. The ship listed heavily to starboard. To reduce the list, the commander ordered six side corridors on the port side, the port engine room, and two coal pits to be flooded. The list decreased, but the ship sat on the ground with its entire bottom. As night fell, the crew abandoned Pobeda.


The sunken battleship Pobeda (right) and cruiser Pallada (left) in Port Arthur

The squadron battleship Retvizan, which became the flagship, was hit by four 26 mm and three 19 mm shells between September 280 and October 120, but did not cause serious damage. On November 22, the flagship was hit by eight shells, and several people were wounded, including the fleet commander, Rear Admiral Robert Wiren.

On November 23, the shelling of the battleship continued. On that day, Retvizan was hit by 14 280-mm and six 150-mm shells. Around 16 p.m., the ship ran aground with a list to the left side. One person died and six were wounded. The ammunition was removed from the ship at night. On the 24th, the crew abandoned the ship.


The grounded battleship Retvizan

On November 23, the squadron battleship Peresvet received five hits from 280-mm shells, but the main target for the Japanese was the Retvizan. Having finished with it, the next day the enemy set about Peresvet, achieving 20 hits from 280-mm shells. After ten hits, a strong fire began, and the commander of the battleship, Captain 2nd Rank Dmitriev, fearing an explosion of the magazines, ordered the kingstones to be opened. The ship ran aground.

After the capture of Port Arthur, the English journalist G. Sepping-Wright visited the Peresvet. He recalled:

“The deck presented a picture of destruction and devastation… The forward turret was half-destroyed, the guns and machine tools were smashed to pieces… A shell had knocked off the top of the turret, and its roof was lying on the deck. The rest of the turret was completely loose and resembled a burst pomegranate. The bridge was destroyed, and the shell that hit the conning tower had rendered it completely unusable. Everything was sooty and twisted from the action of the fire. The fire finished off the destruction of everything that had survived the action of the Japanese shells. The smoke stacks were badly damaged: one of them looked like an ugly heap of bent iron. The rear bridge was in the same state of destruction as the front one, although the fire raging on the battleship smoothed out many traces of the damage inflicted by the Japanese shells.”



The battleship Peresvet raised by the Japanese in Port Arthur. 1905. On June 29, 1905, Peresvet was raised by the Japanese, renamed Sagami (the ancient name of the Japanese province of Kanagawa), and ceremoniously included in the Japanese fleet. It made the journey to Sasebo under its own power. Repairs in the dock continued until August 17, after which the ship headed to Tokyo Bay to participate in a parade dedicated to the victorious end of the war.

Having finished with the battleships standing in the inner roadstead, on November 25 (December 8) the Japanese began to destroy other ships. They again transferred fire to the armored cruiser Bayan, which had already been damaged in October. From 9 am to 17 pm, up to 320 shells were fired at the cruiser. Four of the ten shells that hit the cruiser were 280 mm. Having no underwater holes, the ship sank into the water, as the compartments filled with water as a result of fighting the fires. By midday on November 26 (December 9), the cruiser, filled with water, with a 15-degree list to the left side, lay with its entire hull on the bottom of the Eastern Basin. On the same day, November 25 (December 8), the armored deck cruiser Pallada was destroyed.

It is worth noting that the Russian command did not bother to finish off the ships. The Japanese, after capturing Port Arthur, raised them from the ground, repaired them and introduced them into their fleet.


"Retvizan" ("Hizen") in the Japanese fleet. Soon after the capture of Port Arthur, the Japanese began to raise the Russian ships that had run aground, fortunately the water barely reached their upper decks, and only during high tide. By the end of 1908, of the 12 battleships in service in the Japanese fleet, exactly half were former Russian ships. "Retvizan" was raised on September 22, 1905 and renamed "Hizen" (the name of one of the old Japanese provinces). Initial repairs were carried out in Port Arthur (or Ryojun - the city was also renamed by the new owners), then the ship was towed to Sasebo. Full repair work was completed only in November 1908.

The feat of "Sevastopol"


The ship commanders took no measures to save or destroy their ships. Only the determined captain Nikolai von Essen tried to save his squadron battleship Sevastopol, and the ship lastly endured a 7-day battle from November 26 (December 9) to December 3 (16), 1904 with all the destroyer forces of the Japanese fleet.

On August 10, Sevastopol hit a mine during a raid and was repaired only on October 24. On November 9, the naval commanders discussed taking the remaining ships out to sea, but such a breakthrough was considered pointless. By November 25, almost all the large ships had perished without a fight. Wiren allowed Essen to go to the outer roadstead.

At night, the battleship moved to Bely Volk Bay, where they began to prepare to break the blockade. It was necessary to install the dismantled 152-mm guns and increase the crew (there were 100 sailors left on the ship). The next day, the crew was increased to 300 people, anti-torpedo nets were installed, and they began loading coal and ammunition. They also began to build booms around the battleship. The standard nets did not protect the bow and stern, so the bow was protected with overhead nets, but the stern had to be left open.

Essen was planning to try to break through to the sea one of the next nights and join up with the 2nd Pacific Squadron, which was in the Madagascar area at that time.


Nikolai Ottovich von Essen (December 11, 1860, St. Petersburg - May 7, 1915, Revel)

The enemy did not immediately notice the exit of the Sevastopol, firing over 26 9-mm shells at its old anchorage on the morning of November 300 (December 280). In the afternoon, when the weather cleared, the battleship was discovered, and Admiral Togo decided to attack it with destroyers.

On the night of November 27, six Japanese destroyers of the 9th and 15th detachments launched torpedoes, but from such a long distance there was no effect. The following night, destroyers of the 10th, 14th, 15th and 20th detachments went on the attack, but they had to turn back due to strong winds. The attack on the night of November 29 was again hampered by bad weather, although the Japanese fired torpedoes at the battleship from afar, but without success.

On the night of November 30, the Japanese launched a decisive attack. Seven destroyers from the 7th and 14th detachments, as well as two mine boats from the battleships Mikasa and Fuji, took part in the operation. They were covered by the 20th destroyer detachment. Sevastopol was guarded by the gunboat Otvazhny and seven destroyers – all that remained of the squadron. Bon was still not ready, and one of the torpedoes exploded in the bow overhead net, causing cracks in the underwater plating up to 10 m long, which flooded the underwater mine apparatus compartment.

Two Japanese destroyers and both boats were damaged. According to Russian sailors, one destroyer was sunk by a 305 mm shell, although the Japanese do not admit this.


Sevastopol

On the night of December 1, the Japanese decided to try to attack with small destroyers. But one destroyer hit a mine and was lost. The torpedoes fired by the Japanese missed.

On the night of December 2, the Japanese threw almost all their available forces into the battle - 23 destroyers, as well as a torpedo boat from the Fuji. About 30 torpedoes were launched, most of which exploded on the boom and in the anti-torpedo nets. Again, the planking in the bow was damaged by a nearby explosion. According to our information, a boat from the Pobeda under the command of quartermaster Apalinov managed to torpedo a Japanese torpedo boat, another one - No. 42 - was sunk by a torpedo from the torpedo boat Serdity, commanded by Lieutenant S. I. Dmitriev. Several Japanese torpedo boats were damaged.

On the night of December 3, the Japanese were successful. Nine destroyers scored two hits on the ship's mains, which damaged the plating and flooded a number of compartments. But the third torpedo, which hit the unprotected stern, was critical. As a result of its explosion, the steering compartment and adjacent compartments were flooded. The Japanese also managed to damage the destroyer Storozhevoy with a torpedo, and a steam launch was destroyed when a torpedo exploded that hit the battleship.

During all the attacks, the Japanese launched about 80 torpedoes, lost two destroyers (No. 42 and 53), and another 13 were seriously damaged.

The list of the battleship reached 8 degrees, the ship was no longer able to go to sea. It began to perform the function of a floating battery, Essen was appointed head of the Liaote-Shan Fortress Defense Department.

The last shooting at the enemy was carried out by Sevastopol on December 19, and in the evening an order was received to scuttle the remaining ships afloat in connection with the surrender of the fortress. The next day, the battleship, on which the rudder did not work and there were only 40 crew members, was taken out to deep water with the help of the steamship Silach and scuttled at a depth of 50 meters.

All other large ships of the Russian squadron, with the exception of the Petropavlovsk, which was lost to a mine, were raised by the Japanese and put into service.


The last photograph of the battleship Sevastopol, taken after the torpedo hit on December 3, 1904. The list to starboard is clearly visible.
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  1. +5
    26 November 2024 06: 18
    Glory to Sevastopol and its commander
  2. +7
    26 November 2024 06: 41
    On November 9, naval commanders discussed putting the remaining ships to sea, but such a breakthrough was deemed pointless. By November 25, almost all the large ships had perished without a fight. Viren allowed Essen to go out to the outer roadstead.

    "And what, was that even possible?!" (C)
    The remaining naval commanders demonstrated in the most blatant manner their vile inertia and unwillingness to fight. What fight... There was no desire even to prevent the enemy from using their ships after the inevitable surrender of the fortress...
    1. -1
      26 November 2024 09: 25
      For his surrender, the future Admiral Kolchak was (upon his return from captivity) awarded the St. George's weapon. Nowadays, this is interpreted as an award for heroism in battle and proof of his naval talent.
      1. +5
        26 November 2024 15: 19
        He received the St. George weapon for his participation in military operations. At the time of the capitulation of Port Arthur, he was in hospital due to a wound. He was captured with the rank of lieutenant, so he could not command fleets or demonstrate his talent as a naval commander.
        1. +1
          27 November 2024 15: 34
          For lovers of bun crunches.
          First, a few indisputable facts.
          On December 20, 1904 (January 2, 1905, new style), Port Arthur was surrendered to the Japanese, along with Lieutenant Kolchak.
          On June 4, 1905, Kolchak arrived in St. Petersburg from Japanese captivity.
          On August 9, 1905, peace negotiations began in Portsmouth (USA) with the mediation of Theodore Roosevelt. The peace treaty was signed on August 23 (September 5), 1905.
          On December 12, 1905, Lieutenant Kolchak was awarded the St. George weapon with the inscription: “For bravery.”
          Now about the award ceremony itself.
          The real version of the reason for the award is for surrender and being in captivity. Holstein-Gottorp (Nick 2 Romanov) was very fond of awarding the highest awards of the Russian Empire for surrender. Therefore, Kolchak was not alone in this regard.
          I found two modern official-liberal versions of pseudo-historians about the reason for awarding Lieutenant Kolchak with the St. George weapon:
          First:
          for distinction in actions against the enemy at Port Arthur

          The second:
          for guard duty and protection of the passage to Port Arthur, "fired at enemy positions" carried out during the command of the "Angry"

          The first version is about nothing at all. For comparison: Staff Captain, commander of the 1st company of the 47th Siberian Rifle Regiment Volokh, Yemelyan Ivanovich was awarded the St. George's Weapon:
          For the fact that, being in the rank of ensign, on the night of August 20-21, 1915, with 3 platoons of scouts, he went to the flank and rear of the enemy, who occupied the edge of the forest near the village of Kraukle, with a dashing attack forced the Germans to a hasty retreat, took 9 people prisoner and captured 25 rifles. This secured the flank and rear of the companies occupying the left bank of the Ekau River.

          If this had been written about Lieutenant Kolchak, I would have bowed to the ground before his monument.
          The second version is an obvious fake, slapped together by pseudo-historians. "Angry" is a destroyer that was commanded by Kolchak during his stay in Port Arthur. The artillery of "Angry" is 1 x 75-mm gun and 3 x 47-mm guns. The ammunition of the 75-mm gun was 180 armor-piercing shells, the 47-mm guns - 800 rounds with steel or cast-iron grenades. I can hardly even imagine what horror 180 75-mm armor-piercing blanks and 800 47-mm grenades brought upon the Japanese!
          So no matter how hard you try, you won't be able to mold Kolchak into a hero. You can't wash a black dog white.
          In conclusion. In Irkutsk there is a pompous monument to the deserter of the Russian fleet, agent of British and American intelligence, collaborator, war criminal (not rehabilitated even now), career officer of the British army Kolchak, built with the blood money of the Andreyevskaya organized crime group. The volume of the criminal case of the Andreyev-Novoseltsev gang is 275 volumes. 87 episodes of criminal activity have been proven, including more than 10 murders and about 50 armed robberies. Andreyev is still on the international wanted list.
          A clear continuity of generations: a monument to the best people of the Russia we lost, erected by the best people of our time.
          PS. Bathe me in the negatives.
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            27 November 2024 16: 05
            "The real version of the reason for the award is for surrendering and being in captivity. Holstein-Gottorp (Nick 2 Romanov) was very fond of awarding the highest awards of the Russian Empire for surrendering. Therefore, Kolchak was not alone in this regard. "What nonsense, the ravings of a gray mare. They awarded for events preceding being captured, what's wrong with that? There was no habit of recording those captured as traitors back then.
            "On December 20, 1904 (January 2, 1905, new style) Port Arthur was surrendered to the Japanese, along with Lieutenant Kolchak. Kolchak, of course, is to blame for the surrender.
            "The commander of the 1st company of the 47th Siberian rifle regiment Volokh, Yemelyan Ivanovich, was awarded the St. George's weapon" - well done, a worthy commander. But if we follow your logic, then we should have written "It's hard for me to even imagine the horror that the Germans were struck by the capture of 9 people and the loss of 25 guns". Kolchak is a naval officer, on the land front he seemed to command a battery, that is, his job was to fire the guns first and foremost.
            The article seems to be about the defense of Port Arthur, why are you bringing in some bandit?
            P.S. I'm not going to bathe you, nor label you, unlike you. Learn to respect other people's opinions, even if they contradict yours.
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              28 November 2024 06: 13
              The incompetence with which the Russian Empire lost the Russo-Japanese War is simply astounding, and the awards for it are shocking.
              According to the COMPLETE COLLECTION OF LAWS OF THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE Collection III. Volume IX. No. 6445 (1889)
              The St. George's Arms were established for the awarding of generals, admirals, staff and senior officers for outstanding military exploits, named in this Statute, requiring undoubted selflessness.

              Sabre awarded to the future deserter of the Russian fleet, Kolchak
              for distinction in actions against the enemy at Port Arthur

              i.e. for practically nothing, as in a drop of water, reflects all the rottenness of the tsarist regime. For the defeat in the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905, the Golden Weapon "For Bravery", decorated with diamonds, was awarded to ten generals, without decorations - to 818 officers. Kolchak was only one of them. These awards are the only positive result of that war.
              The Russo-Japanese War and the subsequent 1905 revolution became a dress rehearsal for the First World War and the February Revolution. All the heroes of the Russo-Japanese War distinguished themselves brilliantly in the First World War.
              At the Allied Conference in March 1916, a common strategic plan was approved, within the framework of which it was decided that the Russian Western, Southwestern and Northwestern Fronts would launch a coordinated attack on the Germans and Austrians. This was a real chance to collapse the entire German-Austrian front. The collapse of the German-Austrian front, in turn, would create favorable conditions for the Allied offensive at Somme. As a result, Germany and Austria were routed, Nick 2 triumphantly entered Berlin on a white horse, Grandfather Lenin died unknown in exile. And caps were thrown into the air...
              According to the directive of the Russian Headquarters of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief from April 24, 1916, the hero of the Russo-Japanese War, Evert, was to deliver the main blow on the section of the Western Front entrusted to him, Brusilov and another hero of the Russo-Japanese War, awarded for successful actions against the Japanese with diamond badges to the Order of St. Alexander Nevsky, Kuropatkin, were to deliver diversionary, secondary blows on the sections of the Southwestern and Northern Fronts.
              Contrary to common sense, Evert was delaying the offensive. Therefore, Brusilov was forced to begin the offensive alone, with the solemn promise from Headquarters that Evert and Kuropatkin would certainly attack to his aid on June 1. As a result of these persuasions, on May 22, 1916, Brusilov began the breakthrough that became famous…
              However, in violation of the directive of the Russian Headquarters of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief and with the consent of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief Nik 2, Evert cancelled all the deadlines for the offensive. As a result, after an inexplicable transfer of the attack from Molodechno to Baranovichi, after Brusilov's offensive had already run out of steam, on July 2, 1916 (instead of June 1!!!) Evert finally imitated an offensive and drove the Russian army to the slaughter.
              The Baranovichi operation was a unique failure. As a result, the Russian army lost 80000 killed, wounded and missing. Among them, 1,5-2 thousand (according to various sources) were captured. Once again, letter by letter - no less than 1500 Russian prisoners in the offensive operation!
              According to German data, they lost 1156 people killed, 1020 missing and 4 wounded. According to Russian data, up to 274 prisoners were allegedly captured. As we can see, the ratio of losses of the German and Russian armies is 4000 to 1 with a complete lack of results!!!
              Kuropatkin acted similarly. In violation of the directives of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief's Headquarters of April 24, 1916 and June 26 of the same year, Kuropatkin was inactive for 1,5 months and ultimately also limited himself to imitating an offensive on Bausk. The offensive was launched on July 9 (instead of June 1!!!) by the forces of the 12th Army alone, under the command of General R. D. Radko-Dmitriev. The 6-day battles yielded no results; the 12th Army suffered 15000 casualties.
              Without waiting for Evert's offensive, on July 1, 1916, the Allies independently launched an offensive near the Somme...
              As a result of the actions of the heroes of the Russo-Japanese War, Evert and Kuropatkin, the Allied plan for 1916 went to toilet paper. All coordination of the fronts was disrupted. Instead of a victorious strategic operation, there was a bloody jostling at the front without achieving strategic results.
              As a result of the lack of coordination, the Allies lost 623907 men at Somme, 146431 of whom were killed. As a result, the British began to prepare a color revolution in Russia, which was called the "February Revolution."
              The North-Western and Western fronts were politicized and the cry "Down with the war!" became universal in the army and the country. Russia became pregnant with revolution.
              In conclusion. No political party did as much for the victory of the revolution as two modest heroes of the Russo-Japanese War, Evert and Kuropatkin. In any decent army they would have been hanged. But we are not in 37! Therefore, on August 8, 1916, Kuropatkin was awarded the Order of St. Vladimir, 1st degree. Another significant award.
              P.S. In early November 2024, in honor of the 150th anniversary of the birth of the war criminal, British Army officer Kolchak, a large-scale Russophobic sabbath was organized in Irkutsk. It is impossible to count how many songs were sung about his heroism in the Russo-Japanese War! They are making an icon out of a scoundrel. Denazification should begin not with Ukraine, but with Russia.
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                28 November 2024 14: 12
                Tell me, what will you write next? You started with denunciations of Kolchak, who fought in Port Arthur as a simple lieutenant, of which there were many in the squadron, now you have practically pushed an article on the topic of "who is guilty of the revolution in Russia"! Let me remind you that the article was about the death, and, in my opinion, incompetent, of the 1st Pacific Squadron!
                What war crimes was Kolchak involved in? Did he order the execution of captured German sailors? If you are talking about his crimes during the civil war, then both the Reds and the Whites did not stand on ceremony and committed atrocities in considerable quantities.
                To the future deserter of the Russian fleet, Kolchak - when did he desert? He refused command of the Black Sea fleet, which was destroyed by the Socialist Revolutionaries and Bolsheviks, and went to Petrograd. And he did the right thing, because if he had stayed in Sevastopol, he would have been shot, like many naval officers.
                I completely agree that the political and military leadership of Russia ineptly lost that war. But many thousands of soldiers and officers honestly fulfilled their duty and received awards for it, including Kolchak
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                  29 November 2024 07: 00
                  Let's count the reasons why Kolchak should be hanged.
                  On October 20.10.1916, 2, the battleship Empress Mariya blew up in the Sevastopol Bay roadstead. The most likely cause was German sabotage. The battleship was Admiral Kolchak's flagship. Despite the fact that the indifferent Nick 5 expressed his fatherly sympathy to Kolchak for the loss of the flagship, an investigation was ordered. The investigation commission immediately found out that Kolchak had created such a mess on the flagship that you wouldn't find in a gypsy camp. In any navy of any country, they hang people for that. And then, lo and behold, the February Revolution! The joyful Kolchak personally informed the sailors about the progress of the revolutionary events in Petrograd, and on March 20 (February 1917), XNUMX, he ordered a parade and a service to mark the victory of the February Revolution. Naturally, after the overthrow of the Tsar, the investigation into the explosion of the Empress Maria immediately died down - the hero of the Revolution could not be guilty by definition.
                  He refused to command the Black Sea Fleet, which was destroyed by the Socialist Revolutionaries and Bolsheviks, and went to Petrograd. And he did the right thing, because if he had stayed in Sevastopol, he would have been shot, like many naval officers.

                  In fact, it was not the Socialist Revolutionaries and Bolsheviks who organized the mess in the fleet, but Admiral Kolchak. In the summer of 1917, Kolchak abandoned the Black Sea Fleet to its fate and left Russia, going to England without permission. Kolchak did not submit a request for resignation or transfer. Therefore, in the language of military jurisprudence, his trip to England is called desertion. Have you read Gaidar's "School"? It says there that his father was executed for desertion under the Tsar. But the death penalty for this was reintroduced by the Provisional Government. How is Kolchak better than a deserting sailor?
                  Just don't fill your ears with liberal nonsense about sailors' lynching. The officers' pogroms are dated:
                  1. From November 15 (28) to December 1917. 128 officers were killed - 8 army and 120 navy.
                  2. From the second half of January to February 1918. There is a list of 84 people who died from lynchings and pogroms. The list may not be complete.
                  In both cases, the instigators were Socialist Revolutionaries and Mensheviks, who hoped to overthrow Soviet power through pogroms. Anarchists participated in the pogroms for the purpose of plunder. Thanks to the efforts of the bloody Bolsheviks, the pogroms were stopped in both cases. As we see, Kolchak fled to England long before the first pogrom. In the summer of 1917, under the Provisional Government, nothing threatened the hero of the Revolution, Kolchak.
                  By October 1917, Kolchak had been recruited by the US State Department's diplomatic intelligence service, led by former Secretary of State Eliahu Root.
                  On October 12 (25), 1917, Kolchak and his officers, filled with the most rosy political plans for the reorganization of Russia in the interests of his new Anglo-American masters, set off on a Japanese steamship from San Francisco to Vladivostok. Two weeks later they arrived in the Japanese port of Yokohama, where they learned of the overthrow of the Provisional Government. There in Japan, Kolchak sent a petition to the English envoy to Tokyo, Sir Greene.
                  …to inform the English government that I ask to be accepted into the English army on any terms…
                  .
                  On December 30, 1917, the British government officially granted Kolchak's request. From that moment on, he ceased to be a Russian admiral and became a British officer, who also worked for US intelligence. In the language of military jurisprudence, this is called treason and is punishable by death.
                  On November 5, 1918, the British officer Kolchak, by order of the English General Knox and the French Janin, who led the intervention in Russia, was appointed Minister of War and Navy of the Provisional All-Russian Government. The Provisional All-Russian Government (Ufa Directory) was the first anti-Bolshevik government from among the deputies of the Constituent Assembly, appointed by the same Knox and Janin.
                  On November 18, 1918, Kolchak overthrew the Provisional All-Russian Government. After the overthrow of the Directory, Constituent Assembly deputy Nil Fomin and 9 other prominent Socialist Revolutionaries and Mensheviks – members of the Directory – were, on Kolchak’s orders, partly hacked to death with sabers and partly shot. This is not the whiny statement of the anarchist sailor A. Zheleznyakov, “the guard is tired,” at the closing of the Constituent Assembly session. The Constituent Assembly members were not Bolsheviks at all, but quite the opposite. Don’t you think this is a crime worthy of the death penalty?
                  On August 7, 1918, Kolchak's men seized the tsar's gold reserves, which the Bolsheviks had inherited from Kerensky. Since the tsarist times, the gold reserves of the Russian Empire had been under the control of the Council of Governors of the Departments - the Bolsheviks did not touch them. On December 3, 1918, all members of the Council were arrested by General V.O. Kappel (they had recently sung such praises to him at the Military District) and subsequently shot on Kolchak's orders. Once again, letter by letter. The members of the Council of Governors of the Departments, tsarist specialists who had no relation whatsoever to the Bolsheviks and Bolshevism, were shot on Kolchak's orders. Here Kolchak behaved like a classic mafia dad. He finished off all the witnesses so that they would not interfere with his Great "tyring". You also don't consider this a crime worthy of the death penalty? By the way. We forgive him for stealing the royal treasury, although it is customary to hang people for much smaller thefts of the treasury.
                  I will omit Kolchak's participation in the civil war. Just don't tell us any fairy tales about the atrocities of the punitive forces against the local population of Siberia being a response to the Bolshevik terror. Because there was no terror, but a just war against the invaders and their accomplices. Let's turn to the ideological organizer of the intervention in Russia for confirmation. On February 16, 1919, the main fighter against Bolshevism, the Minister of the Navy Winston Churchill, wrote to the Prime Minister of Great Britain Lloyd George:
                  It would be a mistake to think that throughout this year we fought at the front for the cause of the Russians hostile to the Bolsheviks. On the contrary, the Russian White Guards fought for our cause.
                  .
                  Finally, about Kolchak's patriotism. On May 26, 1919, the Supreme Council of the Entente, in accordance with the convention on the division of Russia adopted on November 13, 1918 (still not annulled), issued an ultimatum to Kolchak to renounce his claims to a united and indivisible Russia. It sent him a note (essentially an ultimatum), in which it demanded from the "Supreme Ruler" a written renunciation of the restoration of the previous regime. That is, the Entente was not satisfied not only with the tsarist regime, but even with the Provisional or any other government, as long as it was All-Russian. This was echoed by another point of the note, which demanded that the free election of local self-government bodies not be hindered. In conditions when the country was engulfed in a fire of separatism of all stripes, this meant its end. On June 12, 1919, Kolchak responded to this ultimatum with his written consent separately to each of its points.
                  How good it is that the hero of the Russo-Japanese War, Kolchak, was killed at the mouth of the Ushakovka River!
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                    29 November 2024 17: 29
                    Let's count.
                    Kolchak is to blame for the Empress's death - nonsense. The commission investigating the causes of the death named 2 - sabotage and possible decomposition of gunpowder. Kolchak did not stand on the gangway and did not check everyone who boarded the battleship, although, as a fleet commander, he was obliged to do so. Ha-ha three times. I will add that such cases occurred in foreign fleets (Vanguard in Great Britain, Leonardo da Vinci in Italy), but the commanders were not accused of this there. Congratulations, you are the first.
                    Prayer service and parade. On March 19, a solemn ceremony of swearing in the Black Sea Fleet to the Provisional Government took place in Sevastopol. After the prayer service, the Black Sea Fleet sailors marched in a ceremonial march in front of the fleet commander with a red banner, on which a portrait of Lieutenant Schmidt was painted in a mourning frame. The procession was closed by workers with red flags. Nicholas II abdicated the throne, which is why these events were held
                    The collapse of the army and navy began after the February Revolution, when Order No. 1 was issued: The main point of Order No. 1 was the third point, according to which in all political actions, military units were now subordinated not to officers, but to their elected committees and the Council. The order also provided that all weapons were transferred to the disposal and control of soldiers' committees. The order introduced equal rights for "lower ranks" with other citizens in political, civil and private life, and the titles of officers were abolished. So Kolchak did not collapse the navy, they lied again. By the summer, the navy was completely under the influence of the Socialist Revolutionaries and Bolsheviks (for whom you seem to be standing firm), and the Mensheviks were part of the Provisional Government. The navy commander, who fought to maintain discipline and against the collapse of the units entrusted to him, was opposed by the Bolsheviks with their defeatist propaganda.
                    On June 6, Kolchak sent a telegram to the Provisional Government informing them of the mutiny that had taken place and that in the current situation he could no longer remain in his post as commander[209]. Without waiting for a response, he handed over command to Rear Admiral V.K. Lukin, thus committing, in the opinion of A.V. Smolin, a disciplinary offence, since he had no right to leave his post without an order from the Provisional Government. So much for your petition.
                    About some kind of recruitment... In a letter dated October 12, 1917, Kolchak wrote:

                    ...my stay in America is a form of political exile and it is unlikely that my appearance in Russia will be pleasant for some people from the current government
                    — A. V. Kolchak. October 12, 1917
                    "The scout" Ruth was 72 years old at the time, he was a politician. One of the main goals of the Americans' trip to Russia was to meet the military leaders of the former imperial army, in order to determine on the spot which of them could be used in American interests, including "in the dark". In Sevastopol, the emissaries from the USA met, in particular, the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Vice Admiral Alexander Vasilyevich Kolchak, and invited him to come to the USA on a business trip. That's it!
                    ,, 1. From November 15 (28) to December 1917. 128 officers were killed - 8 army and 120 navy.
                    2. From the second half of January to February 1918. There is a list of 84 people killed by lynchings and pogroms. Perhaps the list is incomplete.,, - your words? So who did the killing? The Sevastopol inhabitants, or the sailors of the collapsed fleet? The Bolsheviks calmly waited until the "revolutionary masses" had fun, and only then "sharply condemned the lynchings". In your opinion, Kolchak should have waited until they came for him and put him up against the wall. And if he didn't wait - he's a deserter!
                    Regarding the transfer to the English army: Kolchak wrote about an attempt to enlist in the English service[227]:

                    I left America on the eve of the Bolshevik coup and arrived in Japan, where I learned of the newly formed government of Lenin and of the preparations for the Brest Peace. I could not recognize either the Bolshevik government or the Brest Peace, but as an admiral of the Russian fleet I considered our allied obligation toward Germany to remain in full force. The only way I could continue to serve my country, which had fallen into the hands of German agents and traitors, was to participate in the war with Germany on the side of our allies. To this end, I appealed, through the English ambassador in Tokyo, to the English government with a request to accept me into service so that I could participate in the war and thereby fulfill my duty to my country and her allies.
                    - A.V. Kolchak
                    Treason against the Motherland is calling for its defeat, which is what the Bolsheviks did throughout the war. That is what should be shot for.
                    Kolchak did not overthrow the Directory, although he was made famous by the conspirators. Therefore, I do not think that he should be executed for this. As for those who were chopped up with sabers, this was a common thing at that time.
                    "Members of the Council of Governors of the departments, tsarist specialists who had no connection whatsoever with the Bolsheviks and Bolshevism, were shot on Kolchak's orders." Where did you read that?
                    In the Volga region and Siberia there were practically no interventionists, except for the Czechoslovaks. And they controlled the Trans-Siberian Railway. The Japanese did not go further than Chita, the Americans were only in Primorye. But for some reason in 18 the power of the Bolsheviks there collapsed everywhere. "It would be a mistake to think that throughout this year we fought at the fronts for the cause of the Russians hostile to the Bolsheviks. On the contrary, the Russian White Guards fought for our cause," - your words? That is, the interventionists themselves write that they did not fight at the fronts, right?
                    ,,On May 26, a note from the Supreme Council of the Entente was sent to Omsk. The Allies promised assistance in it, but demanded that the Supreme Ruler fulfill a number of conditions. In his reply, Kolchak confirmed the observance of laws and freedoms, but left most of the political demands to the discretion of the future National Assembly, which was to be convened after the victory over the Bolsheviks. ,,By the way, Kolchak was sharply against the Brest Peace, which was signed by other "patriots". Remember what was given to Germany, Austria-Hungary and Turkey then? That's it
                    With that, allow me to take my leave. I repeat once again, Kolchak fought honestly in the Russo-Japanese War, no matter what insinuations you come up with, they are all, to put it mildly, unconvincing. As for later events, you fully adhere to the principles of the history of the Soviet period. Well, that's your business, if you want to believe in them unconditionally - go ahead. As for me, I believe that in the tragedy of the Civil War there were no pure and fluffy ones.
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                      30 November 2024 08: 01
                      Kolchak is to blame for the Empress's death - nonsense. The commission investigating the causes of the death named 2 - sabotage and possible decomposition of gunpowder. Kolchak did not stand on the gangway and did not check everyone who boarded the battleship, although, as the fleet commander, he was obliged to do so. Ha-ha three times.

                      - As I understand it, you are simply ignoring the investigation materials.
                      The first thing that the investigation commission found was that there was a duplicate key to the powder magazine on Admiral Kolchak's flagship, the battleship Empress Maria. The original key was kept, as expected, in a sealed case with the duty officer, and the duplicate was passed around (!!!). I can't imagine this in the wildest construction battalion in the Zabaikalsky Military District in the wild 90s, but it was on the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet!!! Where and who had this key at the time of the sabotage is unknown (considering the circumstances that were revealed later, sabotage is, in fact, the only version of the explosion). Who was supposed to organize the ship's service - the Bolshevik sailor Pupkin or the flagship commander, Admiral Kolchak? For the mere existence of a duplicate key, Kolchak should have been dangling from the yardarm after the battleship exploded.
                      However, the saboteur had no need for a duplicate key. Warrant Officer Uspensky, commander of the 1st tower, reported in his testimony to the commission:
                      The powder room was accessible through the elevator. In the casing around the pintle base was a door to the powder room; sometimes this door was locked, sometimes not…

                      The midshipman chattered like Trotsky to save his skin from the tribunal. According to other testimony, this door was removed for ease of use. It was impossible to lock it in principle. Therefore, anyone who felt like it would wander into the powder room; the sailors even cut up at least one main caliber powder case into "souvenirs"!!! For your information. The charges for the battleship's 12-inch guns contained 132 kg of smokeless powder. The powder was made in the form of a sheet, the consistency of which resembled thick leather, then rolled into a roll and placed in a sealed copper case. When the Empress was already floating belly up, during the investigation, a sailor's locker was found in one of the compartments, and in it were boot soles made of main caliber powder. They even wanted to make this dead sailor a scapegoat. Allegedly, when he opened the hermetically sealed case, the remains of ether used to dry the gunpowder ignited, and a fire started. During a practical test, the idea of ​​the possibility of the powder charge igniting from an ether flash was not confirmed. But what was the extent of the chaos on the ship if a sailor could easily go into the powder chamber, gut the heavy case with gunpowder (manual feeding of cases to the gun's loading chamber is impossible) and leave this prank unnoticed?!! Who is to blame for this mess, the Bolshevik sailor Pupkin or the flagship commander Admiral Kolchak?
                      Electrical equipment for the same type of battleships as the Maria was supplied by Siemens and installed by German specialists during the completion. The Germans (convince me that there were no spies among them before the war) had more precise plans for the ship than the officers who served on it, so even a poorly trained German saboteur could know exactly where and how to get in. This was facilitated by the fact that the state of discipline on the ship was a state of habitual chaos. The commission noted in the report that a number of works were carried out on the battleship while it was moored in Sevastopol. The total number of representatives of the factories working on the ship reached 150 people. In the morning, the watchman would let a crowd on board - one person, then during the day this crowd would leave the ship in groups at different times and go to the port on passing boats. The conditions for organizing sabotage were simply ideal. Who was supposed to organize the ship's service and demand compliance with the statutory discipline - the Bolshevik sailor Pupkin or the flagship commander Admiral Kolchak? The admiral was not supposed to check those entering the gangway. He was supposed to flog his officers like goats so that they would stand at the gangway and serve in accordance with the regulations. However, there was not even a hint of statutory service in wartime (!!!) on the battleship. But according to the fans of bun-crunch, Kolchak had nothing to do with it. Well, well!
                      What follows is the typical blah-blah-blah of a Bulkokhrust fan. Your justifications of Kolchak with references to Kolchak himself are especially amusing. Read, for example, what General Vlasov wrote about himself in the service of the Germans - you will burst into tears of emotion. He was a most honest man, who was hanged for no reason at all by the bloody Bolsheviks. The very fact that you ignore the well-known fact of Kolchak executing members of the Council of Governors of the departments speaks of your complete historical illiteracy. Apart from you, no one disputes this fact. Before getting into an argument with your nonsense, at least dig a little on the Internet in search of information about Kolchak's gold. I don't see any further point in arguing about anything.
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                        30 November 2024 08: 51
                        I could not resist.
                        There were practically no interventionists in the Volga region and Siberia, except for the Czechoslovaks. And they controlled the Trans-Siberian Railway. The Japanese did not go further than Chita, the Americans were only in Primorye…

                        - For an admirer of the interventionists, it is impossible to give a better compliment to the punishers. Anti-Sovietism is the highest form of Russophobia. That is why your Russophobia is not surprising.
                        In February 1916, the Czechoslovak National Council (CNS) was established in Paris.
                        On January 15, 1918, the leadership of the Czechoslovak National Guard, in agreement with the French government, officially proclaimed the Czechoslovak armed forces in Russia "an integral part of the Czechoslovak army under the command of the Supreme Command of France." The Czechoslovak National Guard in Paris gave the commander of the Entente forces in Siberia, M. Janin, the authority to use the Czechoslovak Corps in the interests of the allies. Together with Janin, the Minister of War of the Czechoslovak Republic, M. R. Stefanik, arrived in Vladivostok. The old Russian army was rapidly falling apart at that time, so the Czechoslovak Corps soon became, in fact, the only military force on the entire territory of Russia. Moreover, this force, which the Bolsheviks could not oppose in any way, had no relation to Russia. Classic interventionists.
                        On May 25, 1918, on Janin's command, the revolt of the Czechoslovak Corps began. It began along the entire Trans-Siberian Railway and began with merciless slaughter. Just one example. Menshevik S. Moravsky recalled:
                        At about five o'clock in the morning of June 18, 1918, the city of Troitsk was in the hands of the Czechoslovaks. Immediately, mass murders of the remaining communists, Red Army soldiers and sympathizers of the Soviet power began. A crowd of merchants, intellectuals and priests walked along the streets with the Czechoslovaks and pointed out communists and Soviet workers, whom the Czechs immediately killed. At about seven o'clock in the morning on the day of the occupation of the city, I was in the city and from the mill to Bashkirov's hotel, no further than one verst, I counted about 7 corpses of tortured, mutilated and robbed people. The murders continued for two days, and, according to the data of Staff Captain Moskvichev, an officer of the garrison, the number of those tortured amounted to no less than a thousand people.

                        In the summer of 1918, the Red Army began to gain strength, the easy victories of the Czechoslovaks ended and the hard everyday life at the front began. Hanging unarmed civilians in the rear and fighting at the front are far from the same thing. Therefore, the Czechoslovaks demanded to be removed from the front and by November 6, 1918, there was not a single Czechoslovak at the front. Then only the White Guards, armed by the Entente and under the cover of the Czechoslovaks, fought with the Bolsheviks. Without them, the civil war in Russia would have been impossible.
                        Stefanik tried to raise the morale of the soldiers of the Czechoslovak Corps, but soon realized that they did not want to fight at the front. The Allies and Kolchak agreed to send the corps home. Before sending them home, the Czechs pledged to guard the railways. On the railway, the soldiers of the corps encountered partisan sabotage. Here, the Czechs acted with the typical cruelty of fascist (there is no other word) punitive forces. For example, the order of the commander of the 2nd Czechoslovak Division, Colonel R. Krejci, stated:
                        In the event of a train crash and an attack on employees and guards, [the culprits] are subject to handing over to a punitive detachment, and if the culprits are not identified and handed over within three days, then the first time the hostages are shot one after another, the houses of those who left with the gangs, regardless of the remaining families, are burned, and the second time, the number of hostages subject to execution increases several times, suspicious villages are burned entirely.

                        In practice, this order was carried out from the other end: the inhabitants of “suspicious villages” were exterminated one by one in one go, their property was plundered, and their houses were burned.
                        The legionnaires were spoken of with indignation and hatred by both the common people, the workers, the peasants, the Reds and the Whites. Nevertheless, I have no doubt that you will find the most touching justification for the Czechoslovaks. They killed Russians!
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                        1 December 2024 15: 05
                        Flagship commander Admiral Kolchak -- check your writing so that others don't laugh when reading it. I'll add that I'm tired of arguing with a boor. Let me call you a butt-cruncher once, for example, and then we'll leave it at that.
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                        2 December 2024 14: 49
                        Flagship commander Admiral Kolchak - check your writing so that others don't laugh when they read it.

                        - how much emotion from a simple slip of the tongue.
                        Do you even know that at the time of the explosion, the commander of the Black Sea Fleet flagship was Captain 1st Rank I.S. Kuznetsov? Under the Provisional Government, Kuznetsov was formally convicted of the loss of the battleship, since the sentence on his punishment was to come into force after the end of the war. Simply put, the court told him, “Oh, oh, oh! That’s not right!” However, the hero was rewarded! On December 15, 1917, he was slapped during an officers’ pogrom. Kolchak was slapped two years later. Justice for the loss of the battleship was served.
                        As I understand it, you have no arguments in the dispute except hysterical laughter? You know, the funniest moment from the jokes you told:
                        In his reply, Kolchak confirmed the observance of laws and freedoms, but left most political demands to the discretion of the future National Assembly, which was to be convened after the victory over the Bolsheviks.

                        What kind of national assembly could this puppet rave about, whose power rested solely on bayonets, controlled not by him, but by the French general Jeannin. Who would have allowed him to choose this assembly? Not a single country in the world, including the guarantors of the USA, England and France, recognized the governments of Kolchak and Denikin. On December 10 (23), 1917, the Anglo-French convention on the division of Russian territory was signed in Paris. It is known in history as the "French-English Agreement of December 23, 1917". According to this convention, Russia was divided as follows: the Caucasus and the Cossack regions were included in the Great Britain zone, Bessarabia, Ukraine and Crimea were included in the French zone; Siberia and the Far East were considered as the sphere of interests of the USA and Japan. Moreover, Great Britain also laid claim to the North of Russia. The convention is indefinite and has not been annulled to this day. Partially worked out. Where is Ukraine, where is the Caucasus, where is Bessarabia? National Assembly of All Russia, you say – hee-hee-hee! Nevertheless, Kolchak expressed himself about the future of Russia in the following way: he will recognize only the constituent assembly that he himself will appoint and no elections! God did not give horns to a butting cow.
                        The White Army is a native army in the service of the White Sahibs. Kolchak had neither a party nor his own troops, despite the general hatred of the population towards him. By the spring of 1919, Kolchak had created an army of up to 400 thousand people (including about 30 thousand officers). He was able to send only 130-140 thousand bayonets and sabres from them to the front. The rest were involved in punitive campaigns against the population. The Whites were not fighting the Bolsheviks, but Russia. They said about Skoropadsky that he controlled the land only under his train car. Kolchak did not even control his train car. Zhanin, unlike Kolchak, was a real force and paid for the ride on the TRANSSIB with Kolchak like a sheep. I understand how offensive it is for today's admirers of bun-crunches. I so wanted lace panties in the EEC, and here is such a bummer.
                        Sincerely, your ass crunch.
    2. +1
      26 November 2024 17: 04
      They didn't even have enough brains to blow up the machines and boilers. It doesn't take much.
  3. +4
    26 November 2024 08: 01
    It would be strange and impossible if after all this Nicholas II did not lose all authority. Revolutions after such a disgrace are not accidental. At least not in Russia.
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      27 November 2024 14: 00
      Quote: avia12005
      It would be strange and impossible if after all this Nicholas II did not lose all authority. Revolutions after such a disgrace are not accidental. At least not in Russia.

      Why wasn't there a revolution after the Crimean War? Maybe because there were no instigators or traitors?
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        28 November 2024 02: 46
        Quote from Kartograph
        Why wasn't there a revolution after the Crimean War?

        Five years after the Crimean War, the elite made a revolution - they abolished serfdom. As a result, Russia won another war against Turkey and pacified the Caucasus. And in the Far East, the defense of Kamchatka and the evacuation of its population grew into the annexation of Primorye and Priamurye. Nicholas II and his camarilla were unable to prepare for World War I and were forced to lose power.
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          28 November 2024 10: 33
          Quote: gsev
          Quote from Kartograph
          Why wasn't there a revolution after the Crimean War?

          Five years after the Crimean War, the elite made a revolution - they abolished serfdom. As a result, Russia won another war against Turkey and pacified the Caucasus. And in the Far East, the defense of Kamchatka and the evacuation of its population grew into the annexation of Primorye and Priamurye. Nicholas II and his camarilla were unable to prepare for World War I and were forced to lose power.

          They lost power not because of the war, but because of internal propaganda, when all these agitators were not shot, but exiled to Siberia, where they held their discussions and planned the revolution in warmth and comfort.
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            28 November 2024 13: 24
            Quote from Kartograph
            where they held their discussions and planned the revolution in warmth and comfort

            Tsarist Russia successfully waged the last war against Iran only because Paskevich's siege artillery was actually commanded by a convicted Decembrist. If the command had been entrusted to a trustworthy person, Iran could have held out until Turkey entered the war, and then the Crimean War could have happened a quarter of a century earlier. If the gendarmes had exterminated all intellectuals using Stalin's methods, then perhaps Russia would have capitulated in World War I in 1, and Zimmerman would not have had to send a provocative telegram about plans to dismember the United States, which would not have provoked the United States to enter the war against Germany.
  4. +3
    26 November 2024 09: 44
    Yes, it was a shameful event. The ships could have been taken to the outer roadstead and sunk at great depths. But the Japanese raised them quickly and without problems, as they did with the Varyag, and then used them for more than 30 years.
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      3 December 2024 16: 39
      Quote: TermNachTER
      Yes, it was a shameful event. The ships could have been taken to the outer roadstead and sunk at great depths.

      Well... while the command was judging and deciding, most of the ships had already been laid on the ground by 11" shells.
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        3 December 2024 19: 02
        Well, at the edges, it was possible to blow things up for real, and not pretend, as they did.
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          4 December 2024 10: 33
          Quote: TermNachTER
          Well, at the edges, it was possible to blow things up for real, and not pretend, as they did.

          So those who blew up ships thought they were blowing things up for real - they were blowing up charges in the ships' ZVCh. It's just that in the Corps, alas, they didn't teach how to properly destroy your ship without the possibility of restoration.
          Quote: Alexey RA
          ...there was a conclusion from a specialist of that time that, instead of detonating several charges in different main battleships, the Russians had to collect these charges in the middle part and either tear the ship in half, or at least break the keel.

          Plus, we shouldn't discount the stubbornness of the Japanese, who, with a tenacity worthy of a better application, raised and restored obvious scrap metal. And not even against the background of dreadnoughts, but against the background of their own ships that entered service after the Russian Navy.
          Why did they need the same "Poltava" as a garden vegetable - after the fire and explosion of the main battery charges - when they had their own EBMs like "Katori" and "Satsuma", which were two generations younger?
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            4 December 2024 10: 39
            Even if they didn't teach us, it would have been more than enough to blow up the main battery's ammunition cellar.
            As for the love of scrap metal))) I can't disagree with you. They even commissioned the "Im. Nikolay I", which was already outdated both morally and physically. And some others served until the mid-30s. However, the "Asama"-type BrKr served until the end of WWII.
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              4 December 2024 11: 26
              Quote: TermNachTER
              Even if they didn't teach us, it would have been more than enough to blow up the main battery's ammunition cellar.

              Blowing up the main battery magazines of ships in the middle of the base... there would be enough for everyone - both civilians in the city and their own sailors on the shore.
              This is still a civil war.
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                4 December 2024 13: 27
                What was there to regret? It was clear that the city would be surrendered, blown up and burned, everything possible. And civilians and strangers could have been driven away from the shore.
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                  4 December 2024 16: 25
                  Quote: TermNachTER
                  And the civilians and strangers could be driven away from the shore.

                  Nowhere. Remember Yakovlev's "History of Fortresses"? The penny-pinchers forced the army to build a defensive ring 1,5-2,5 km from the outskirts of the city. During the siege, even rifle bullets flew into the city.
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                    4 December 2024 16: 39
                    There are hills all around, there weren't that many people to hide. So the "Moshi" has a lethal range of 3 km, I think the "Arisaka" is not much less, so it's quite possible.
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    26 November 2024 11: 17
    It is worth noting that the Russian command did not bother to finish off the ships. The Japanese, after capturing Port Arthur, raised them from the ground, repaired them and introduced them into their fleet.

    The ships' commanders took no action to save or destroy their ships.

    In fact, all the ships were blown up before they were handed over. The problem was that they weren't taught how to destroy their own ships properly back then.
    In one of the issues of "Gangut" there was an article about the Japanese raising our ships of the 1st TOE in the harbor of Port Arthur. There was a conclusion of a specialist of that time that, instead of detonating several charges in different ZVCh of the battleships, the Russians had to collect these charges in the middle part and either tear the ship in half, or at least break the keel. Then the Japanese would have had huge problems already at the stage of raising.
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    26 November 2024 21: 38
    Only the determined captain Nikolai von Essen tried to save his squadron battleship Sevastopol,

    But the photo shows Essen as the commander of the cruiser Novik.
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      26 November 2024 21: 59
      Well, the author didn't find another photo. So what? Essen was appointed SOM from Novik to Sevastopol.
  7. 0
    27 November 2024 16: 40
    Maybe I didn't understand something from the article, but it turns out that the Japanese were shooting at motionless ships? And why couldn't they maneuver? Or did the ships being fired upon have no speed?