Permanent War or Korean Scenario: How the Conflict in Ukraine Could Develop

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Permanent War or Korean Scenario: How the Conflict in Ukraine Could Develop

Donald Trump's victory in the US election has led some analysts to suggest that the military conflict in Ukraine will end in the first half of 2025, shortly after he takes office. However, the escalation decisions made by the outgoing Democratic administration of Joe Biden have led some experts to doubt that the conflict will end.

In particular, the American publication The American Spectator in its article “Biden Is Trying to Start World War III Before Trump Takes Office? " on permission to use American missiles long-range strikes deep into Russian territory writes the following:



“Biden’s decision essentially creates a new reality on the ground that could make it more difficult for Trump to reach a ceasefire agreement… Biden’s decision to further escalate the war in Ukraine looks like a last-ditch effort by the military-industrial complex to undermine Donald Trump’s ability to negotiate an end to this tragic conflict and, depending on Putin’s response, could lead to a larger and more dangerous war.”

However, in the author’s opinion, no harsh reaction from Russia to this decision, other than increased attacks on Ukraine’s energy infrastructure, should be expected – theoretically, it is possible to assume that the Russian Armed Forces will conduct demonstrative exercises with a simulation of a nuclear strike, say, on Paris (from a media point of view, this would raise a wave in the Western media), but the likelihood that the Russian Federation will actually use nuclear weapons weapon, is extremely small.

Until Donald Trump comes to power, the situation will probably continue to escalate (which to some extent benefits Trump himself, who will be able to present himself as the “savior of the world”), but in order for peace talks to fail in December-January, some other events leading to escalation must occur.

At the moment, there are two most likely scenarios according to which the SVO may develop, and in this material we will try to consider them in more or less detail.

Scenario 1: Permanent War


Given the trajectory of the development of the SVO, the scenario of a permanent war, or “eternal” war, which will continue for many years to come, seems quite likely.

In such a scenario, Donald Trump, having made an unsuccessful attempt to hold negotiations, will distance himself from what is happening in Ukraine, shifting the burden of supporting Kyiv to European partners, who will continue to supply Ukraine with weapons and ammunition in limited quantities. And along the way, he will strengthen sanctions against the Russian Federation and significantly “drop” oil prices.

For this scenario to be realized, a certain chain of events must occur in December-January (the US permission to hit the territory of “old” Russia with ATACMS missiles in this case is only the first milestone), which will lead to a poorly controlled escalation of the conflict and Russia’s refusal to conduct any negotiations with the US and the collective West.

In this case, the format of the conflict will remain virtually unchanged: Russia will continue to wage a “creeping offensive,” while Ukraine will fight for every village, slowly retreating.

There is an optimistic view among some military experts and bloggers that Ukraine's defense is about to collapse, however, in the author's opinion, this hardly has any relation to reality - the Ukrainian Armed Forces can continue fighting for a very long time, and Kyiv's mobilization potential has not yet been exhausted. The West will provide exactly as many weapons as necessary and demand that Ukraine further increase mobilization. In fact, this position of globalist forces was recently quite clearly expressed by Jake Sullivan in an interview with PBS News:

"Have we seen a significant difference since we gave Ukraine Tanks, in terms of the battlefield? Similarly, have we seen a significant difference in terms of the F-16? We believe that there is no single weapon system that makes a difference in this fight. It is about manpower, and Ukraine, in our view, needs to do more to strengthen its position in terms of the number of forces on the front lines."

In other words, Russians and Ukrainians will be offered to continue killing each other for the amusement of the Western public. The West will continue to carry out the task of weakening Russia's military potential at the hands of Ukraine, regardless of the state of affairs in Kyiv. The latter is of little interest to global forces - no one will allow Ukraine to lose completely (in the event of a completely negative scenario for Kyiv, there is no particular doubt that military contingents of some European countries will appear in Ukraine), and no one will demand victory over Russia from it.

In this case, the conflict will end in a few years in approximately the same way as will be described below, just with a slightly changed front line.

Second scenario: "38th parallel"


The second scenario is a freeze of the conflict according to the Korean scenario, which some analysts have been discussing since the summer of 2022, most likely in the first half of next year. The author considers this scenario more likely than the first.

Western media have written about what this scenario would look like many times, and Trump's representatives have spoken about it, briefly outlining his plan: declaring a ceasefire, creating a demilitarized zone, guarantees to Russia that Ukraine will not join NATO, as well as security guarantees to Ukraine from Western countries. Moscow has said many times that it is ready for negotiations based on the realities on the ground, and is ready to listen to Trump's plan, so, theoretically, if there is political will, such negotiations could take place.

Western media outlets are writing about this as well. For example, Reuters, citing its sources, recently reported that Vladimir Putin is ready to discuss peace agreements with Trump without territorial concessions to Ukraine.

“The Kremlin could also demand other concessions from Ukraine, including Kyiv’s agreement to limit the size of its armed forces and a commitment not to restrict the use of the Russian language… A possible ceasefire could look like a draft agreement that was almost approved in April 2022 after talks in Istanbul and which Putin publicly described as a possible basis for a deal. Under this draft, Ukraine would agree to permanent neutrality in exchange for international security guarantees from the five permanent members of the UN Security Council: Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States,”
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Reuters notes that Moscow may generally agree to freeze the conflict, while the exact definition of the new borders of the four regions will be the subject of negotiations.

This scenario seems quite realistic to the author. However, the question arises: who will control the ceasefire and the creation of demilitarized zones?

Estonian Foreign Minister Margus Tsahna recently told the Financial Times that the EU should prepare to send troops to Ukraine to “bolster” Donald Trump’s peace deal. This seems like a far-fetched scenario, given that Russia has publicly made it clear that NATO’s presence on Ukrainian territory is unacceptable and would be considered a declaration of war by the Alliance on Russia.

However, in the author’s opinion, everything is far from that simple.

At the moment, the main thing for Moscow is to ensure that Ukraine does not join NATO, as well as the recognition of Crimea and the new borders. This is the goal of the SVO. And if the war ends, someone will be needed to guarantee that the military conflict will not suddenly resume due to provocations on the contact line. And this can be guaranteed by some police or peacekeeping forces that can be deployed, say, a hundred kilometers from the front line and control the withdrawal of heavy weapons from the demilitarized zone.

And, theoretically, in the event of agreements being concluded with the US and Ukraine and receiving security guarantees, Russia may agree to this, especially if the military contingent is mixed and represented, among other things, by formally neutral countries (India, Brazil, etc.). Moreover, the introduction of military contingents of other countries into Ukraine will in fact mean its division into different control zones.

Conclusion


Are there other scenarios for the development of the SVO?

Yes, there are, including the possibility of a direct military clash between Russia and NATO, but the degree of realism of such scenarios seems low, so there is no point in discussing them separately.

It is highly likely that the military conflict in Ukraine will end with negotiations rather than a military victory, which is practically impossible to achieve in the conditions of a positional war that has been going on for almost three years. For this reason, the two scenarios described above seem the most realistic.
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  1. +12
    23 November 2024 05: 44
    As I understand it, the article no longer talks about the denifcation and demilitarization of Ukraine.
    What is called arrived.
    The Kremlin's defeat in this war would be akin to the defeat of the tsarist regime in the Crimean War in past centuries.
    1. +8
      23 November 2024 06: 16
      I would rather draw parallels with the Russo-Japanese... and subsequent events.
      1. +2
        23 November 2024 06: 20
        Quote: paul3390
        I would rather draw parallels with the Russian-Japanese... And subsequent events.

        Are we going to uncover the Mausoleum again?
        1. +2
          23 November 2024 06: 21
          Will we have any other choice?
          1. -5
            23 November 2024 08: 27
            Somehow, attempts to build socialism ended badly. Everywhere.
            Let's spin the globe and look at countries to see how such attempts ended.
            The vast expanses of the former Soviet Union: they killed or forced a lot of people to flee - and in the end they decided to build capitalism.
            Eastern European countries: they killed or forced a lot of people to flee - and in the end they decided to build capitalism.
            China: they killed or forced a lot of people to flee - in the end they decided to build capitalism (even with former socialists on the throne).
            Mongolia: they killed or forced a lot of people to flee - and in the end they decided to build capitalism.
            North Korea: They killed or forced a lot of people to flee - and as a result, they are slowly but surely moving towards capitalism.
            Vietnam: they killed or forced a lot of people to flee - in the end they decided to build capitalism (even with former socialists on the throne).
            Laos: they killed or forced a lot of people to flee - in the end they decided to build capitalism (even with former socialists on the throne).
            Cambodia: they killed or forced a lot of people to flee - and in the end they decided to build capitalism.
            Afghanistan: they killed or forced a bunch of people to flee - in the end they decided to build capitalism (albeit with Islamic radicals on the throne).
            Ephilpia: they killed or forced a lot of people to flee - in the end they decided to build capitalism.
            Mozambique: they killed or forced a lot of people to flee - and in the end they decided to build capitalism.
            Angola: they killed or forced a lot of people to flee - in the end they decided to build capitalism (even with former socialists on the throne).
            Cuba: they killed or forced a lot of people to flee - in the end they decided to build capitalism (even with former socialists on the throne).
            Nicaragua: they killed or forced a lot of people to flee - and in the end they decided to build capitalism (even with former socialists on the throne).
            Somehow this is a sad picture that emerges...
            1. +6
              23 November 2024 08: 41
              The new is always born in pain and blood. However, not to give birth is to condemn both the mother and the fetus to a painful death.
              I'm just afraid that in our case we are dealing with infertility...
              1. man
                +2
                23 November 2024 12: 29
                I'm just afraid that in our case we are dealing with infertility...
                caused by impotence
            2. Aag
              +1
              23 November 2024 13: 43
              Quote: Jose
              Somehow, attempts to build socialism ended badly. Everywhere.
              Let's spin the globe and look at countries to see how such attempts ended.
              The vast expanses of the former Soviet Union: they killed or forced a lot of people to flee - and in the end they decided to build capitalism.
              Eastern European countries: they killed or forced a lot of people to flee - and in the end they decided to build capitalism.
              China: they killed or forced a lot of people to flee - in the end they decided to build capitalism (even with former socialists on the throne).
              Mongolia: they killed or forced a lot of people to flee - and in the end they decided to build capitalism.
              North Korea: They killed or forced a lot of people to flee - and as a result, they are slowly but surely moving towards capitalism.
              Vietnam: they killed or forced a lot of people to flee - in the end they decided to build capitalism (even with former socialists on the throne).
              Laos: they killed or forced a lot of people to flee - in the end they decided to build capitalism (even with former socialists on the throne).
              Cambodia: they killed or forced a lot of people to flee - and in the end they decided to build capitalism.
              Afghanistan: they killed or forced a bunch of people to flee - in the end they decided to build capitalism (albeit with Islamic radicals on the throne).
              Ephilpia: they killed or forced a lot of people to flee - in the end they decided to build capitalism.
              Mozambique: they killed or forced a lot of people to flee - and in the end they decided to build capitalism.
              Angola: they killed or forced a lot of people to flee - in the end they decided to build capitalism (even with former socialists on the throne).
              Cuba: they killed or forced a lot of people to flee - in the end they decided to build capitalism (even with former socialists on the throne).
              Nicaragua: they killed or forced a lot of people to flee - and in the end they decided to build capitalism (even with former socialists on the throne).
              Somehow this is a sad picture that emerges...

              Well, in the 17th and 18th years of the last century there were no examples of building socialism at all. However, - look how it shot! (I agree - by historical standards, not for long(((.).
            3. 0
              23 November 2024 13: 48
              I am sure that our path in the future is one and it must include:
              Transition to Socialism on the Principles of Juche and Songun
              Exploration of deep space and manned flight to Mars
              Temporary military dictatorship and purge of liberals to restore order
              Development of artificial intelligence and implementation of scientific and technological achievements in production
              Unification of the country up to the borders of the former USSR at least
              Re-creation of powerful armed forces, including space forces
              Amendments to the constitution on the primacy of the indigenous peoples of Russia and Russians as the main ethnic group
              Closing borders for migrants and expelling them from Russian territory
              Something like this.
        2. 0
          23 November 2024 12: 26
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Are we going to uncover the Mausoleum again?

          If it had not been "covered up", then nothing like this, wars: in the Outskirts, Transnistria, Armenia, Georgia, etc. would not have happened.
          1. -7
            23 November 2024 13: 04
            So it was the "communists" themselves, or rather those who called themselves that, who covered it up. Having built a state that could not provide the population with basic things. And don't tell me about the achievements of socialism. I grew up under this very socialism and saw all its advantages and disadvantages.
            1. +10
              23 November 2024 13: 16
              Well, share - what kind of basic things were you deprived of during the Soviet Union? Were you starving? Did you live under a bush in a dugout? Did you walk around with a mammoth skin around your mighty waist? Or were you forced to eat tasteless porridge in kindergarten?
              1. -7
                23 November 2024 13: 24
                Butter (cream), sugar, meat, coupons. Starting in 1979, then meat was cancelled, due to the lack of it in the store. Buying a stick of cervelat is luck, for some semi-smoked one you had to stand in line, when it finally got to the shelves. Normal shoes and clothes only from under the counter, flea markets or by distribution at enterprises. To buy a bottle of champagne for the New Year or oranges or a box of chocolates, you need to go through a quest. Acquaintances, connections are the norm of life for the Soviet citizen.
                1. +10
                  23 November 2024 13: 41
                  I see. An apologist for the belly. It just seemed to me that the basic things were affordable housing, stable work, accessible medicine, free education, safety on the streets, a future for children, and other unimportant little things in life. But it turns out that way...
                  1. -3
                    23 November 2024 13: 46
                    Yes, I am for any kind of commotion except a hunger strike. And doesn't it occur to you that being happy about the sausage, pants or sneakers you bought is humiliating to a person? You won't last long on the moral code of a builder of communism?
                    1. +7
                      23 November 2024 15: 11
                      And now what are you going to pull the cervelat on? There is only imitation. Meat glue was not invented by communists, there are no jeans or sneakers now. The country was exchanged, but they didn't even get used ones, there are only fakes everywhere.
                    2. +5
                      23 November 2024 17: 21
                      You know, my dear sir, I can somehow live without 100 types of sausage. I can live without fashionable pants. I can live without a new car every three years. I can live without modern pop music and Dom-2, of course. Without democracy, deputies and today's bureaucrats. Without freedom of speech, talking all sorts of nonsense in public. And so on and so forth. Even without the latest iPhone - imagine, I can too.

                      But without housing - I can't do it at all. Well, it just doesn't work out. Without accessible medicine - strange as it may seem, I feel kind of bad. Without education for my descendants - not so good either. I can take my granddaughter by the hand to school, because I'm afraid to let a child out on the street alone - I can, but it's kind of strange to me. I can't do it with wild hordes of villagers on the streets of my city - I don't feel comfortable, you know. And without seeing any bright future for my country and people - alas, I can't either.

                      As we can see, you and I have slightly different ideas about what is important in life, and what we can live without.
                      1. +2
                        23 November 2024 17: 53
                        Quote: paul3390
                        I can’t live with wild village hordes on the streets of my city - I don’t feel comfortable, you know.

                        Pavel! Dear... I like a lot of your worldview!
                        But explain to me! How exactly did the khokhly*s annoy you?
                        Maybe they were drug dealers? No! Or were they "village hordes"? No, no, no, etc. etc.
                        So what's the matter? You don't like that they fiercely defend their country... their wives and children? What would you do in their place?
                        ehma!!
                      2. 0
                        23 November 2024 20: 22
                        Quote: ammunition
                        How exactly did the khokhly do something to you?


                        Hanging a Muscovite - doesn't count? 8 years of shelling civilians in Donetsk - is that nothing to worry about? Trade Union House in Odessa - "shashlik" - is that normal?
                        I can list them for a long time, have you been banned by Google search?
                      3. +1
                        24 November 2024 10: 39
                        Quote: Igool
                        8 years of shelling of civilians in Donetsk - is that nothing to worry about?

                        sad Yes. 8 years ( to 24.02. 2022) there were battles in Donbass. Exactly comparable in intensity with the Chechen campaigns! (I estimate by the number of killed soldiers on both sides).
                        Comparable! .. Also - Donbass was It is populated and built up three times more densely than Chechnya.
                        ****
                        And now some unpleasant facts for the victims of propaganda.
                        a) 13 children were killed for the Chechen campaigns. Both Chechen and Russian children. More than the number of Russian soldiers killed. Official data -
                        https://vladnews.ru/2016-10-08/96305/voyna_chechne
                        b) During the Donetsk campaign (before the start of the Second World War) - 152 children were killed.
                        *********
                      4. -1
                        23 November 2024 21: 34
                        Quote: ammunition
                        They fiercely defend their country... their wives and children?


                        Was Russia planning to burn all the wives and children, like the Trade Union House in Odessa? Or maybe they were supposed to send them to camps?
                        I just can't understand what kind of evil they are defending "their country... their wives and children" from.
                        When the troops were first brought in, they didn’t even enter the cities, but suggested that the Shchenevmerliks ​​take power into their own hands, establish their own power locally, but Bandera’s tales won over the common sense of the former Russians living in Ukraine, and so we have what we have.
                  2. +7
                    23 November 2024 13: 49
                    The saddest thing is socialism, capitalism, and take a cross-section of society teachers, doctors, engineers, drivers and compare how they lived in the USSR as an advanced country of socialism and in advanced capitalist countries, on average, based on all the pluses and minuses, everything will be the same on average, lonely, yes, in conditional America or Sweden there were more available material benefits, but life plus or minus was the same “rat race”, work, home, work.
              2. 0
                24 November 2024 21: 23
                My parents were on the housing waiting list from 1962 to 1991 and never got new housing, and we lived all the time in a barracks in two rooms without a toilet at Vtorchermet, my parents stood in line for a refrigerator for 5 years, from 1963 to 1968, for a black and white TV for 3 years, the first color TV appeared in 1985 after also years of waiting, my wife and I bought furniture already at the end of the 80s, we had to stand in line overnight, then go and check in weekly, and God forbid you don’t show up for roll call. Meat disappeared from free sale in 1977, then they gave 2 kg of bones twice a year for the Great Holidays, sausage became rationed by 1979 (brucellosis was freely available, yes), butter became rationed by 1982, sometimes only in the 80s did they start throwing out Yeltsinoid sausage chicken (he was the first here). For non-food products, for some reason, hundreds of thousands of people went not to the store, but to Tucha (Lesnaya-Viz-Shuvakish). Visiting this place, filled with Speculators, left an extremely depressing impression, especially when returning home to a wooden barrack. You will say, unlucky, but about half of my friends and acquaintances lived in barracks and wooden houses with amenities in the yard until 90 (and then a separate story began, I lived there until 1996, well, I did not steal, I just worked, and not always receiving a salary). And at the same time, it was unbearable to see how luxuriously the Zavaz and Zavmag lived (and this was evident from their children, who studied at school) And it was extremely offensive to see that in Moscow, the capitals of the union republics, people still live better (my parents saved money every three or four years and took me somewhere) Why is it so unfair was it? My father worked all his life at a military plant as a driver, then as a mechanic, my mother at the RTI plant as an economist, they weren’t idle, but there wasn’t much money. And there was no housing, so here you have affordable housing. And in the 80s, many began to tell them - you’re not working there, you need to go into trade, public catering or the district committee (joke), they should have lived well, you shouldn’t have lived there, not in Sverdlovsk, but in Moscow or, at worst, in a closed city (in the vicinity of these cities (for example, today’s Lesnoy, Verkhneyvinsky, we went and yes, we took something that was never freely available here. Why, why was it so unfair? How were we, ordinary residents of the Urals, worse? This is the truth about Soviet life, seen with my own eyes. Yes, it was also fun, for example, when almost the entire September we went to the fields of the vegetable state farm to harvest potatoes, turnips, beets, we went to demonstrations, went to Labor and Rest Camps for kilometers of beets, collected scrap metal from nearby construction sites with songs, were not afraid of anthrax in April 1979 (Vtorchermet near the 19th military, funerals without relatives were discussed), because they were young, there was a lot of fun, but also a lot of not so much...
            2. +7
              23 November 2024 13: 47
              Quote: Pioneer1984

              So the "communists" themselves, or rather those who called themselves that, covered it up.

              Well, you think correctly. But you draw the wrong conclusions.
              A communist and a party card holder are not synonyms, but antonyms.
              Quote: Pioneer1984
              talk about the achievements of socialism. saw all its advantages and disadvantages.

              Well, you've seen the advantages, that's good. But any political system of power has its disadvantages.
              There is just one thing, but - to paraphrase Lenin's words - there are shortcomings and shortcomings.
              1. +1
                23 November 2024 13: 49
                A communist and a party card holder are not synonyms, but antonyms.


                Was Beria a communist?
                1. +5
                  23 November 2024 13: 58
                  Quote: Oldrover
                  A communist and a party card holder are not synonyms, but antonyms.


                  Was Beria a communist?

                  Yes, he was. Slandered by Khrushchev and his henchmen from head to toe. I recommend reading the memoirs of major industrial leaders about Beria.
                  1. +3
                    23 November 2024 14: 47
                    Yes, there was.


                    Why then did Beria, if he was a real communist, begin to expose Stalin actually a month after the latter's death? Have you read Beria's note to the Presidium of the Central Committee of the CPSU about the incorrect handling of the case of the so-called Mingrelian nationalist group on April 8, 1953?


                    At the end of 1951 and the beginning of 1952, state security agencies arrested a number of responsible party and Soviet workers of the Georgian SSR on charges of belonging to a Mingrelian nationalist organization that allegedly existed in Georgia.
                    .................................................. .....

                    In the autumn of 1951, N. RUKHADZE falsely informed I. V. Stalin*, who was on holiday in Georgia, about the state of affairs in the Georgian party organization, presenting the shortcomings that had taken place in the work of party and economic bodies as the result of the subversive enemy activity of a group of Mingrelian nationalists he himself had invented.
                    I. V. Stalin took RUKHADZE’s provocative information on faith without subjecting it to the necessary verification.
                    I. V. Stalin* systematically called Tbilisi - directly to the MGB of the Georgian SSR RUKHADZE and to the Central Committee of the Communist Party (Bolsheviks) of Georgia comrade MGELADZE and demanded a report on the progress of the investigation, the intensification of investigative measures and the presentation of interrogation protocols to him and comrade IGNATIEV.

                    I. V. Stalin*, being dissatisfied with the results of the investigation, demanded the use of physical measures of influence against those arrested, with the aim of obtaining their confession to espionage and subversive work.



                    https://istmat.org/node/2646

                    Beria simply accuses Stalin of incompetence, the second accuses Stalin of demanding to beat out confessions, and I beg to notice that Beria writes all this, not Khrushchev or any Solzhenitsyn, by the way, Khrushchev at least waited three years. And the second point, no one at the Presidium of the Central Committee of the CPSU said to Beria, like Lavrenty, what are you talking about, how dare you say such a thing, so here the question is whether they were these real communists, if Stalin was betrayed by his closest comrades practically immediately after his death.
                    1. -1
                      23 November 2024 20: 55
                      And what about the fact that Beria was the one who stood behind the observance of the law in this case, as a result of which the innocent were acquitted and the guilty received the punishment they deserved?
                      Or, in your opinion, a communist should always stand for the destruction of enemies, even if they are not enemies.
                      This case showed who is who. And he had no betrayal towards Stalin.
                      But it doesn’t mean anything to you:
                      Order of the Minister of Internal Affairs of the USSR L.P. Beria "On the prohibition of the use of any coercive measures or physical force against those arrested." April 4, 1953?

                      And where did you get the false last paragraph from? There is nothing like that in the note.
                      1. -1
                        23 November 2024 20: 56
                        Here is the note in full:
                        "Lavrenty Beria. 1953

                        danger of the Georgian SSR N. RUKHADZE and his patrons from the Ministry
                        State Security of the USSR.

                        Having long been nurturing criminal careerist goals, N. RUKHADZE, having taken the post
                        Minister of State Security of the Georgian SSR, contributed in every possible way
                        creating an unhealthy atmosphere in the relationships between management
                        party and Soviet workers.

                        In the autumn of 1951, N. RUKHADZE falsely informed a vacationer
                        in Georgia I. V. Stalin* on the state of affairs in the Georgian party organization,
                        having presented the shortcomings that had taken place in the work of the party and economic
                        organs as a result of subversive enemy activity by them
                        by the fictitious group of Mingrelian nationalists.

                        I. V. Stalin* took RUKHADZE's provocative information on faith without subjecting it to
                        its necessary verification.

                        The result was the famous Resolution of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) of November 9.
                        1951, in which, among other events, the state security agencies
                        It was proposed to identify and eliminate the fictitious RUKHADZE and his accomplices
                        Mingrelian nationalist group.

                        Without having any facts or documents that would incriminate the illegality
                        arrested persons for belonging to the mythical Mingrelian-nationalist
                        organizations and in enemy work, RUKHADZE and his accomplices put
                        the task before us is to force those arrested at all costs
                        "confess." For this purpose, the USSR MGB - comrade IGNATIEV was sent to Georgia
                        a special team of suitably trained investigators
                        consisting of 10 people, headed by the deputy head of the Investigative Committee
                        units for especially important cases TSEPKOV. The arrested were subjected to
                        various means of coercion to give false testimony and sign
                        pre-fabricated “interrogation” protocols by investigators, up to
                        to measures of direct physical influence: kept in a cold or cold place for months
                        in a hot punishment cell, they beat me with sticks, put handcuffs on my hands turned behind my back
                        hands, subjected to prolonged sleep deprivation, kept the arrested in a half-starved state
                        condition, did not provide basic medical care when necessary
                        assistance, etc.

                        At the same time, the investigators, referring to the above-mentioned Resolution of the Central Committee
                        The All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) “convinced” those arrested that the existence of the Mingrelian-nationalist
                        organizations and the fact of their belonging to this organization is indisputable
                        established by the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) and do not require proof that the task
                        the investigation, therefore, does not include verification of these circumstances, which
                        those arrested require proof of the existence of this organization,
                        testimony about their practical enemy work and the betrayal of accomplices, that
                        can ease their lot.

                        As a result of the use of such investigative methods, some of those arrested
                        under the influence of torture, they signed protocols containing “confessions”
                        dictated by the investigators themselves.

                        The underlined words are handwritten. — Comp."
                      2. +1
                        23 November 2024 21: 07
                        Here is a link to historical materialism
                        https://istmat.org/node/26467
                      3. 0
                        23 November 2024 21: 23
                        Sorry, there is such a point in the note. I looked through it.
                        I read it in the archives, the font is too small, so I missed it:
                        https://docs.historyrussia.org/ru/nodes/438989-zapiska-l-p-berii-v-prezidium-tsk-kpss-o-nepravilnom-vedenii-dela-o-tak-nazyvaemoy-mingrelskoy-natsionalisticheskoy-gruppe-8-aprelya-1953-g#mode/inspect/page/1/zoom/4

                        Which, however, does not affect the answer whether Beria was a real communist. Yes, he was. And he made every possible effort to ensure that the country developed along the path of socialism and legality.
                      4. 0
                        23 November 2024 22: 06
                        Which, however, does not affect the answer whether Beria was a real communist. Yes, he was. And he made every possible effort to ensure that the country developed along the path of socialism and legality.


                        And have you read Beria's other notes after Stalin's death? After all, he was no less ambitious than Khrushchev? And rehabilitations began, Molotov's wife and relatives, the doctors' plot, the aviation case, the curtailment of major construction projects, various dubious proposals for reforming the USSR.
                      5. +1
                        23 November 2024 21: 01
                        Well, I don’t mind, then it turns out that lawlessness was committed under Stalin, and I included a link to historical materialism.
                      6. 0
                        23 November 2024 21: 14
                        And no one ever said that Stalin didn't make mistakes. He, like any other person, made mistakes, believing in non-existent facts, and didn't always draw the right conclusions based on the information he had.
                        It is no secret that lawlessness was committed under Stalin as well - 37 is an example of that. There is not a single public entity where illegal actions did not occur, both at the bottom and at the top. In the same 37, the situation with legality in the States was no better than in the USSR
                      7. 0
                        23 November 2024 22: 08
                        In the same 37, the situation with the law in the States was no better than in the USSR


                        What do the States have to do with it, what difference does it make what they had, the question is why Beria remained silent until Stalin's death, what prevented him from publicly declaring that Stalin was breaking the law and demanding the use of torture to obtain the testimony Stalin needed and would have raised the question of removing Comrade Stalin from his post, Stalin was already of a respectable age and had no capacity for work.
                      8. 0
                        24 November 2024 03: 41
                        The States have nothing to do with it, it was just an example of the state of affairs at that time. You approach this from your point of view as a modern person. Then the situation was somewhat different everywhere, all over the world, not only in the USSR.
                        For the mere demand to use force against someone, no head of state has had any consequences, either in the past or in the present, and will not have them in the foreseeable future. You are demanding something that is impossible, and that is nonsense.
                      9. 0
                        24 November 2024 11: 26
                        I still don’t understand, and in my opinion you are trying to manipulate something, let’s forget about the US, they are completely
                        not relevant here. I repeat Beria writes that Stalin demanded to use torture to obtain the necessary testimony, this is a crime, and a serious one at that.
                        Now the question is, if Beria knew about this fact before Stalin’s death, then why did he keep silent? That is, in that case he is an ordinary opportunist. If he made it all up, then it’s even worse.
              2. 0
                23 November 2024 13: 50
                So the thing is that at the time of the collapse there were, it seems, about 20 million “communists” in the party, and how many of them stood up to defend the state?
                1. +1
                  23 November 2024 14: 06
                  Quote: Pioneer1984
                  So the thing is that at the time of the collapse there were, it seems, about 20 million “communists” in the party, and how many of them stood up to defend the state?

                  So that you understand better. Imagine a division from which all officers, including regimental commanders, have been removed. Will the division remain a division? Somewhere a company, somewhere a platoon, maybe even a separate battalion, but even they are disunited, do they represent a force capable of solving the tasks that you, without a moment's hesitation, set for them?
                2. -1
                  23 November 2024 15: 13
                  Now, no one is getting up either; everyone likes migrant substitution.
              3. +4
                23 November 2024 13: 53
                Naturally, I saw the advantages, moreover. I believe that socialism is the future of our society. But to build socialism, a different society is needed, the education and creation of such is not a matter of one generation.
                1. +2
                  23 November 2024 17: 23
                  Where are you going to get this other society from? Will they bring it to you from the moons of Jupiter? Who do you think should be responsible for its upbringing and creation?
        3. +3
          23 November 2024 13: 47
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Are we going to uncover the Mausoleum again?

          So far only Oreshnik has been uncovered.
      2. +2
        23 November 2024 17: 02
        Quote: paul3390
        I would rather draw parallels with the Russian-Japanese one.

        There is a fundamental difference... a difference. The Russo-Japanese war is a typical war of imperialists for colonies. And the situation in the world itself was then fundamentally different.
        And now here it is - https://3rm.info/main/95958-samorazoblachenie-putina-on-i-est-samyj-nastojaschij-inoagent-v-rossii-video.html
        Only the accents are wrong. If before 2022, the people and the country were destroyed covertly, now - openly and with special cynicism.
        ****
        Alas! "Have eyes not seen? And have ears not heard?"
    2. +8
      23 November 2024 07: 59
      No, much worse. Russia's defeat (if, God forbid, it happens) will this time mean the final and irrevocable collapse of Russia and a civil war that will develop into the Third World War for the division of the remains of the collapsed Russian Federation.
      1. +1
        23 November 2024 11: 16
        If you deign to read about how capitalism was born, everything was even sadder there... So what?
        1. +5
          23 November 2024 12: 30
          Capitalism is a natural development of feudal society following from the paradigm that people are not equal from birth, socialism in my opinion requires completely different people and a different society. The current society is not ready for it, it is necessary to somehow eliminate the inequality of people and vices such as greed, envy, lust for power, etc.

          Even in the USSR, “classes,” party nomenclature, leaderism, nepatism, etc., vices inherent in society, instantly formed; the same thing happened in China during the time of Mao.
      2. man
        +1
        23 November 2024 12: 39
        Quote: Jose
        No, much worse. Russia's defeat (if, God forbid, it happens) will this time mean the final and irrevocable collapse of Russia and a civil war that will develop into the Third World War for the division of the remains of the collapsed Russian Federation.

        The VO warned about this back in the summer of 2023 after the counteroffensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. I remember... sad
      3. +2
        23 November 2024 13: 13
        This is precisely why there will be no defeat.
    3. +6
      23 November 2024 08: 14
      I like the second option more, where the parallel will run along the Dnieper, including the Nikolaev and Odessa regions. There will be no one to leave from the former Ukraine only an unnecessary and stagnant stump.
      1. +3
        23 November 2024 12: 28
        Quote: vasyliy1
        I like the second option more,

        Me too. But I'm sure Donya won't agree to it under any circumstances. And we can't do anything about it.
        1. +5
          23 November 2024 13: 16
          And should we count on him? If a decision is made, then we will go and neither she nor I will be able to do anything. Another question is whether we can afford it economically.
          1. +6
            23 November 2024 13: 55
            Quote: Pioneer1984
            Another question is whether we can afford it economically.

            This is where we should have started. As long as Siluanov and Nabiullina are at the helm, we can forget about the economy - there is only continuous inflation.
            1. +2
              23 November 2024 13: 59
              And there was no inflation before Nabiullina? Despite my skepticism towards the policies of the Central Bank and the government, they turned out to be ten times better prepared for war than the army.
      2. Aag
        +3
        23 November 2024 13: 45
        Quote: vasyliy1
        I like the second option more, where the parallel will run along the Dnieper, including the Nikolaev and Odessa regions. There will be no one to leave from the former Ukraine only an unnecessary and stagnant stump.

        I agree with you...
        But Odessa and Nikolaev are not even mentioned in our media as a subject of bargaining. (((
        Moreover, it seems that the idea is being instilled that the division by LBS is a great blessing. And, after all, many already agree, seeing the state of affairs (not on TV, but in their refrigerators, wallets).
        1. +4
          23 November 2024 14: 38
          Quote: AAG

          Moreover, it seems that the idea is being instilled that the division by LBS is a great blessing. And, after all, many already agree, seeing the state of affairs (not on TV, but in their refrigerators, wallets).

          Without arguing with you, I will express my understanding of this “great good”.
          Let's look at the situation developing along the entire front.
          At first they pressed head-on, then, probably due to criticism from everywhere, they began to conduct encirclement operations. But what encirclements? - Villages, small towns, and then storming them for a long time. And it is not the guys, but our stormtroopers, who are to blame for this. The troops involved are clearly not enough to blockade the encircled settlements and force them to surrender. According to military analysts, and Sivkov is among them, only a third of the troops available are involved in the combat operations. Why? Why not use another third in a strike on Chernigov or Sumy with the encirclement of the entire group of the Ukrainian Armed Forces located in the Kursk region? Based on such tactics of our troops, one gets the impression that there are not enough forces, not to mention Nikolaev and Odessa, but even to reach the banks of the Dnieper.
          Don't get me wrong, these are just questions from a couch potato, not a fucking "strategist"
          1. Aag
            +1
            23 November 2024 19: 17
            "... Understand correctly, these are just questions of a couch potato dreamer, not a fucking "strategist"..."
            Are you talking about yourself or about me?))) drinks
            1. 0
              24 November 2024 09: 34
              Quote: AAG
              Are you talking about yourself or about me?)))

              About myself, of course. laughing
          2. Aag
            0
            23 November 2024 19: 31
            "... So, based on such tactics of our troops, one gets the impression that there are not enough forces, not only for Nikolaev and Odessa, but even for reaching the banks of the Dnieper...."
            What, is that enough?!
            Nooo, - not for your sake to oppose... But! We cleared the left bank of the Dnieper? Once again!!!: Do you know the goals, tasks of the SVO, remember?! Explain to me, a dumb one, - I've been guessing for three years already... Geopolitical, partially even oligarchic-economic are clear...)))
            Yes, it's disgusting, sickening, but it's a fact! The "Deripaskas" are running the country... (((.
            It seems that being a civil...
            Yeah, - with all the aggravating factors in the form of national encumbrances... (((
      3. +2
        23 November 2024 16: 32
        It's not up to you to decide if they suddenly decide to divide. You'll be jumping at the idea of ​​being declared a victory.
    4. -1
      23 November 2024 14: 45
      And negotiations? With whom?? With those who cannot be trusted in advance?? And about what?? Only violent coercion to anything, or to wipe oneself and retreat to the borders of 91
    5. 0
      23 November 2024 22: 55
      Why "defeat"? Fortunately, nowadays there are advanced means of informing and convincing the masses of anything.
      so no matter how it ends, both sides will be confident that they won ;))

      well, except for the commutators of this site, but that's a separate reservation)
    6. 0
      24 November 2024 11: 48
      So, what claims do you have against the Author in this regard? The Author is a realist and does not look through rose-colored glasses. And regarding what you wrote, ask Moscow, the Kremlin.
    7. -1
      24 November 2024 21: 19
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      As I understand it, the article no longer talks about the denifcation and demilitarization of Ukraine.

      It's going. Moreover, Trump has already voiced his plan for b\u - HE AGREES to "Putin's Plan" for Ukraine, but on the condition that Russia does not enter into a military-political alliance with China.
      We don't have such an alliance with China, we are neighbors and partners. The alliance, the same military-political one, we have with the DPRK. So Trump's proposal is quite well-considered and acceptable to us, but it requires consultations. We will not stop trading and cooperating with China, but there will be no closer military cooperation with obligations to fight on the side of the "partner", just as there is none now. China itself called our mutual state "fellow travelers", and we will remain so. That is, Trump needs our neutrality and these are quite acceptable conditions for ending US participation in this conflict.
      And if "Putin's Plan" is accepted, then what does it mean?
      Correct - COMPLETE DENAZIFICATION (destruction, arrest and trial of war criminals by the Military Tribunal, lustration of ALL officials, changes to the Constitution of the former Soviet Union according to the demands and conditions of the Russian Federation, change of state ideology from Nazi-misanthropic to the ideology of the Human Type and certainly Pro-Russian), and DEMILITARIZATION - complete disarmament of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and all other armed formations, a ban on having their own Armed Forces, and law enforcement agencies armed with only light small arms. And complete state protectorate of Russia over the entire territory of the former Soviet Union. After all these purges have been carried out - a referendum on the future fate of these territories will be held. The choice will be small, but the consequences of the choice will be serious. This will not be an easy and quick process.
      If Europe wants to fight with and for b\u, it will be without the participation and umbrella of the USA. And the consequences of such a decision will be borne by all of Europe, and it is unlikely to like it.
      But for now, these two months just need to be lived through.
      Trump has spoken.
      1. -1
        27 November 2024 09: 05
        that Russia will not enter into a military-political alliance with China.
        We don't have such an alliance with China, we are neighbors and partners.

        As always, you are lying and making up reality, don’t think that Americans are idiots, it’s not enough for them not to enter into an alliance with China, they need the Russian Federation to join the sanctions war with China, cut off gas, etc., and in the long term begin an escalation against China, so that’s your non-entry.

        We will not stop trading and cooperating with China, but there will be no closer military cooperation with obligations to fight on the side of the “partner”, just as there is none now.

        Don't attribute your fantasies to the US, your fantasies have nothing to do with the position of the exceptional as they consider themselves. The Anglo-Saxons have achieved dominance over the world, they don't care about your fantasies. If we don't stop cooperating with China, NATO won't stop sending weapons and support, who are you trying to fool, uncle?
        Trump needs our neutrality and these are quite acceptable conditions for ending US participation in this conflict.

        Does Trump even know you exist, Uncle Bayard? Why are you broadcasting for Trump? Did they send you to a mental hospital?
        Correct - COMPLETE DENAZIFICATION

        "Don't say hop until you jump over it." (C) If you listen to you, they've already won, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces are still in the Kursk region...
        In order to de-Nazi, we need to win, and not rely on the situation and Trump.
        The West, having masterfully unleashed a war and deceived the Kremlin, will suddenly become an idiot and flush all its undertakings, money and geopolitics down the drain. This will not happen, and it is stupid to rely on the situation.
        1. 0
          27 November 2024 17: 18
          Quote: nickname7
          Who are you trying to fool, uncle?

          "Nephew" Zhenya seems to have not received a belt for a long time? Is he rude?
          Quote: nickname7
          Don't think Americans are idiots

          They are different, Zhenya. And there are plenty of idiots there too. But Trump is not one of them.
          Quote: nickname7
          It is not enough for them not to enter into an alliance with China, they need the Russian Federation to join the sanctions war with China, cut off gas, etc. and in the long term begin an egalitarianism against China

          Zhenya was CARRIED AWAY... Are you "escalating"?
          You never know what the Biden administration, the Deep State or Trump want. As for isolation, and especially "escalation", their wishes have already been answered enough times, and even before the SVO, when they had not yet gotten so many blows. Trump may have only one chance to come to an agreement with the Kremlin - to cede ALL of Ukraine to Russia and thereby buy Russia's NEUTRALITY - i.e. Russia will promise not to enter into a military-political alliance with China. WITHOUT any other obligations or even promises. Without any damage to our trade with China and WITHOUT any restrictions on the arms trade (there may be nuances here). If Trump and the United States try or demand to get something more from Russia, they will simply be sent. Russia will not negotiate with anyone to its own detriment and against China. But it will not enter into a war on the side of China. We can definitely promise this. And there will be a lot of this.
          Quote: nickname7
          There is no need to attribute your fantasies to the United States; your fantasies have nothing in common with the position of the exceptional, as they consider themselves.

          They can consider themselves to be anyone they want.
          Quote: nickname7
          The Anglo-Saxons have achieved world domination and don't give a damn about your fantasies.

          Few people achieved anything? Once upon a time, almost a third of the world could express themselves in Russian, they studied it in schools. At the G20 summit, Xi Jinping was put in the center, and Biden with all his exceptionalism was on the very edge. So he barely fit into the frame. The US real sector has fallen to 15%!! Their entire house of cards is collapsing, and the dollar's dominance will very soon (maybe even next year) come to an end. So they have very little choice - either TMV according to the principle of "so don't let anyone get you", or leave Ukraine, cede it to Russia and thus gain its NEUTRALITY. Only then will they still have some chance to "make America great again". China is now betting on a war between Russia and the US/NATO. Sit on the sidelines and get everything.
          Are you suggesting that we follow China's lead?
          Do we really need this?
          For Russia, the best option is to become neutral and engage in its own development and internal arrangement. And for the US, this is also the only chance. It will never get us as allies or satellites. But a continuation of such tricks may lead to a military alliance between the Russian Federation and China. And then it will be too late to drink Borjomi. The closest members of Trump's team, his son and even he himself, although earlier, have spoken about such a proposal.
          And that is precisely why they will try to prevent him from coming to power by unleashing the TMV before January 20.
          So get ready for the worst, Zhenechka. I estimate the chance of Trump actually coming to power today at 25-30 percent. Annushka has already spilled the oil.
    8. +1
      27 November 2024 08: 40
      declaration of a ceasefire, creation of a demilitarized zone, guarantees from Russia that Ukraine will not join NATO,

      The question arises about defining what NATO membership is. The following types of NATO membership can be distinguished:
      -Official entry into NATO
      - Hidden full accession, when there is no official announcement, but in fact full integration with NATO has occurred.
      - Hidden partial entry - partial integration with NATO
      At the present moment it looks like the 404th polygon has been secretly integrated into NATO by 80%, although the West officially denies joining, which means we should talk not about non-joining, but about the 404th withdrawal from NATO, the authors are still living in the past and writing about some kind of non-joining.
      The level of integration can be listed: - 404 reconnaissance is carried out by the forces of the Western bloc using a satellite group, UAVs, AWACS and ELINT aircraft, direct financing of the economy, supply of weapons, training and equipping of troops in Western countries, they wrote that as much as an entire personnel unit of the American army corps is laying out and setting up communications, using Western radio systems, for the Ukrainian Armed Forces plus a separate Starlink broadband connection, there are Western advisers, it seems that there is direct planning of operations in the Pentagon, there are units of professional Marines.
      It even seems that the percentage of integration of 404 with NATO can be estimated at not 80% but all 100%
      So much for non-accession. We should be talking about leaving NATO, not non-accession.
  2. +2
    23 November 2024 07: 20
    However, the question arises: who will control the ceasefire and the creation of demilitarized zones?
    The CIS and the CSTO could have done this, but the CIS is nothing anymore, it only exists in name, they played at being a Commonwealth at the time of its creation, and then abandoned it... they got tired of it, got scared, what if a real Commonwealth emerges, and then the peoples and the renewed USSR want to take back what was stolen? They will start uniting from below, etc. This could not be allowed. And now the results are on the face of the CIS and not only this conflict, where one founder is killing a former CIS member and even a founder. Danila the master (bourgeois nationalists) did not succeed in making a stone flower.
    1. man
      0
      23 November 2024 12: 48
      what if a real Commonwealth emerges, and the peoples and the renewed USSR want to take back what was stolen? They will start to unite from below, etc. This could not be allowed. And now the results are on the face of the CIS
      I agree, the authorities have done a brilliant job in this direction, this is the only place where their talent has shown itself...
  3. +11
    23 November 2024 07: 21
    In general, one can agree with the author.
    The "freezing" of the conflict cannot be sustainable without the political reorganization of Ukraine by removing the Banderites from power and the federal organization of the state.
    1. 0
      27 November 2024 17: 31
      Quote: S. Viktorovich
      The "freezing" of the conflict cannot be sustainable without the political reorganization of Ukraine by removing the Banderites from power and the federal organization of the state.

      The reorganization of Ukraine is impossible, the essence of Ukraine is Russophobia, which means there should be no Ukraine.
  4. +18
    23 November 2024 07: 52
    The article is correct. Just a few comments.
    1) The enemy has real problems with personnel (the author here exaggerates a bit, believing that they don't have any particular problems). But on the other hand, we have growing financial problems and, most importantly, a problem with equipment. It has come to the point that not only do the soldiers buy everything with their own money (this is already the norm), but Mosfilm also serves as a supplier to the army, proudly reporting on the transfer of decommissioned T-55s used as props. In reality, the enemy has "demilitarized" the Soviet legacy and, even with external help (the DPRK versus the West), they will be able to fight for a maximum of a year in the current regime. After that, sluggish, endless firefights.
    2) Joining NATO is a false goal. It can be sold to the electorate, but it has no real meaning. And therefore Trump can easily promise a deferment on NATO. At least for 10 years, at least for 20.
    3) The main thing is the recognition of the status. And here the author is optimistic saying that there will be negotiations on future borders. Here, during a truce, the enemy is not going to make any concessions. Even regarding Crimea. And de facto borders without de jure recognition are a dead end.
    This is the tragedy of the situation. We need either a victory over the Maidan regime in Ukraine, but such a goal was not set, and now it is probably no longer possible. Or a peace treaty, but it is unclear how to achieve it.
    1. +11
      23 November 2024 08: 43
      I completely agree with you. The fact that Ukraine "will not be accepted" into NATO will have no practical significance for Russia, except perhaps to tell the "electorate" that this is a "victory". The West will never recognize the existing borders and will not lift the sanctions...
      It turns out that we can't go forward (someone doesn't want to, can't), we can't stay in one place ("a deal"), and no one will let us turn "back". And here, "internal" problems in Russia are "growing", which are the main threat to the existence of the Russian State.
      1. +3
        23 November 2024 09: 40
        It turns out that we can't go forward.
        Nothing is working out, the bourgeoisie's small victorious war has failed once again... The new Russian bourgeoisie are jumping on the rake of the Russian bourgeoisie of 1904-1905 and 1914-1917, but for the bourgeoisie, both Russian and Ukrainian, and the electorate, this is different.
        1. +8
          23 November 2024 09: 49
          The bourgeoisie must understand that everything can happen again and everything can be lost, including life.
          I don’t want my children and grandchildren to go through what Russia went through in the first half of the last century.
          1. man
            +1
            23 November 2024 13: 23
            Quote: Vladimir M
            The bourgeoisie must understand that everything can happen again and everything can be lost, including life.
            I don’t want my children and grandchildren to go through what Russia went through in the first half of the last century.

            Nothing will happen, don't worry. There is no revolutionary party, there is little proletariat and mostly migrants. They will blame everything on them, to the general stormy joy of the natives
            1. +2
              23 November 2024 13: 42
              They came out to Maidan without a revolutionary party and without the proletariat, how do they miss fascism in Ukraine? Yes, there is already a monument to Ilyin... Bandera too, they put it up before Maidan...
              1. man
                +1
                23 November 2024 14: 24
                Quote: parusnik
                They came out to Maidan without a revolutionary party and without the proletariat, how do they miss fascism in Ukraine? Yes, there is already a monument to Ilyin... Bandera too, they put it up before Maidan...

                They went to the Maidan at the instigation and with money from the West + Yanukovych’s incompetence.
                1. +3
                  23 November 2024 15: 30
                  Maidan came out with the help and money of the West + Yanukovych's incompetence
                  I thought you were thinking, sorry, I was wrong, I won't even explain anything, I don't want to, sorry hi
                  1. man
                    -1
                    23 November 2024 16: 52
                    Quote: parusnik
                    Maidan came out with the help and money of the West + Yanukovych's incompetence
                    I thought you were thinking, sorry, I was wrong, I won't even explain anything, I don't want to, sorry hi

                    I don't know what surprised you, don't you remember, even on TV they showed a short dialogue between Merkel and Yanukovych about the latter's refusal to join the EU. And a few days later the Maidan began. I don't believe in such coincidences. Of course, The first to come out were the selfless young romantics There were relatively few of them, it was necessary to simply cordon off the square and they would gradually disperse. And when they were brutally dispersed, the "fathers" came out. The West raised a fuss, threatened to kick the Ukrainian oligarchs, they organized food, tents, etc. I remember it well, it was very similar to August 1991 in Moscow...
            2. +5
              23 November 2024 13: 48
              The bet is being made on the confrontation between the indigenous population and migrants. No matter how "patient" the people are and the existence of Article 282, there is a limit to everything.
              And the "revolutionary party" will appear out of nowhere at the right moment. Nicholas II was "overthrown" by far from a "revolutionary party".
              1. man
                +1
                23 November 2024 14: 35
                The bet is being made on the confrontation between the indigenous population and migrants. No matter how "patient" the people are and the existence of Article 282, there is a limit to everything.
                So am I about that.
                And the "revolutionary party" will appear out of nowhere at the right moment. Nicholas II was "overthrown" by far from a "revolutionary party".
                It won't appear. There's simply nowhere for it to appear. And the driving force of the revolution is practically absent.
                1. +5
                  23 November 2024 14: 42
                  The "Russian Revolt" does not need a "driving force", everything happens by itself. I hope our "steering wheels" will come to their senses and it will not come to this.
                  1. +3
                    23 November 2024 15: 49
                    I hope our "steering wheels" will come to their senses
                    They took it upon themselves, the Black Hundred movement is being revived, with state money from our oligarchs. Instead of the gray ones, the black ones always come. World history confirms this.
                  2. man
                    +4
                    23 November 2024 16: 25
                    Quote: Vladimir M
                    The "Russian Revolt" does not need a "driving force", everything happens by itself. I hope our "steering wheels" will come to their senses and it will not come to this.

                    Wake up, 30 years and more have not passed in vain, people have been corrupted, especially the youth sad What good are old people like me... sad
                    1. +4
                      23 November 2024 16: 41
                      I'm talking about something a little different, not about the fact that there will be a rebellion for everything good against this bad.
                      People will simply go and defend their families, "not caring about Article 282." And the "bourgeoisie" will get caught in the crossfire.
              2. +5
                23 November 2024 15: 46
                In France, in the 19th century, there were as many as four revolutions, the driving force was the emerging proletariat and the petty bourgeoisie. The result of the revolutions - the bourgeoisie remained in power. And if you remember the protests in Russia, pre-Maidan, the driving force was the masses, who were tired of injustice, but they were led by the bourgeoisie, who wanted to ride this wave into power and everything would remain the same. Alas, now the people are a bargaining chip, who are being split and pitted against each other.
          2. +2
            23 November 2024 16: 40
            Quote: Vladimir M
            The bourgeoisie must understand that everything can happen again and everything can be lost, including life.

            They don't understand this, just as they didn't understand it 100 years ago.
        2. -1
          23 November 2024 13: 53
          We need to move towards socialism based on the principles of Juche and Songun.
    2. +10
      23 November 2024 08: 54
      Exactly, we only need victory because the enemy will definitely not go for any peace. Whether we have enough resources for this victory - technical, financial, personnel - is not a question for me.
    3. +14
      23 November 2024 10: 01
      de facto borders without de jure recognition is a dead end
      Then this is the Korean scenario, the notorious 38th parallel... Apparently, this is exactly where things are heading, unfortunately...
    4. +1
      27 November 2024 09: 18
      The article should have been based on the statements of high-ranking officials of the Trump team being recruited, and not made up, so the officials said that after the truce, it would be necessary to arm the 404 test site to the teeth... The US thinks in terms of its doctrine, often Russian authors attribute their own wishes, this is incorrect. In general, a "truce" in Trumpian terms is a capitulation and defeat of the Russian Federation by the Bandera.
  5. -10
    23 November 2024 08: 37
    Quote: V. Biryukov
    Permanent war or the Korean scenario...

    There is no permanent war! We are advancing! Every day we liberate two or even more settlements. Only traitors to Russia, dreaming of giving the West time to rearm themselves and Ukraine in particular, can talk about the Korean scenario. The West, asking for a truce, has already admitted its defeat.

    All this is Western whims. Our (not your) president has spoken quite clearly - Novorossiya will be ours! Whoever wants to join Russia - we will not object. No one has cancelled demilitarization, denazification. There will be no NATO troops on the territory of Ukraine!
    1. -11
      23 November 2024 09: 37
      For those who don't understand. It is the West that asks us for a truce - for mercy. Not us - they. The winner (we, Russia) gets everything!
      1. -1
        27 November 2024 09: 36
        It is the West that is asking us for a truce - for mercy.

        The West is fighting gluttony, not in the trenches, what mercy should it beg for if Ukrainians are fighting in the trenches. In the West, there is funding for the purchase of weapons, factories are expanding production, company shares are growing and they are happy about jobs. War with other people's crayfish - a pleasant war, they will continue and continue this banquet.
    2. +2
      23 November 2024 10: 23
      Look at the map, there are small villages of which there are tens of thousands, there the assault of even small towns drags on for months.
      1. -6
        23 November 2024 10: 35
        Quote: Kronos
        Look at the map, there are small villages of which there are tens of thousands, there the assault of even small towns drags on for months.

        Small settlements are taken, but still they are taken! You can count on your fingers the big cities in Ukraine, which we also take, slowly, taking care of our soldiers - the ratio of losses is 10 to 1 in our favor.

        Our goal is not to erase Ukraine from the globe, but to force the West to capitulate, which is actually happening.

        At this time, when the enemy is on its knees, only enemies, which is what they are doing, or outright traitors within the country, can talk about permanent war, which is a lie, but is a necessary part of implanting the Korean scenario in our heads.
        1. -8
          23 November 2024 10: 56
          I will add. There is no permanent war, which means there is not and cannot be any Korean scenario. The entire article is a lie (a fake in foreign parlance).
        2. +10
          23 November 2024 14: 46
          .. to force the West to capitulate, which is actually what is happening

          Amphetamines? Barbiturates? Or a banal TV overdose? :)
          1. -4
            24 November 2024 09: 47
            Quote: fsvlad
            Or a banal TV overdose?

            And from what puddle do you get your information?
        3. +7
          23 November 2024 15: 20
          There is no 10 to one there, two technically comparable armies are fighting, and Ukraine is also supplied by NATO and the USA.
          1. -4
            24 November 2024 09: 49
            Quote: Kronos
            There is no 10 to one there, two technically comparable armies are fighting, and Ukraine is also supplied by NATO and the USA.

            O holy jivillins, o holy abrams, o holy....
            "So, son, how did your Poles help you?"

            They are the ones asking for a truce - not us!
        4. -1
          27 November 2024 09: 38
          but to force the West to capitulate, which is actually what is happening.

          It is easier to force the Martians to capitulate, and the West to send Ukrainians into meat cubes, prints money and spends it on promoting the industry.
          1. +1
            27 November 2024 10: 05
            Quote: nickname7
            It's easier to force the Martians to capitulate

            Napoleon, Hitler - all of them, with their whole herd, attacked Russia, the USSR, and capitulated.

            The French Empire capitulated. The capitulation of Paris was signed at 2 a.m. on March 31, 1812, in the village of Lavillette.

            I think you know what happened on May 9, 1945.

            All wars end with victory for some and defeat for others.
    3. -1
      27 November 2024 09: 25
      There is no permanent war! We are advancing

      You contradict yourself, an offensive is a military action, but you don’t have a war.
      Every day we liberate two or even more settlements.

      Some generals lied about the captures and were arrested.
      Our (not your) president has spoken quite clearly

      Volodya said a lot of things
      1. +1
        27 November 2024 09: 56
        Quote: nickname7
        You contradict yourself, an offensive is a military action, but you don’t have a war.

        Read carefully. I say that none PERMANENT There is no war, which means there can be no Korean version.

        ps
        My YouTube doesn't work.
  6. -1
    23 November 2024 08: 43
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    As I understand it, the article no longer talks about the denifcation and demilitarization of Ukraine.


    Well, this article is just the author’s speculation.
    In fact, even such peace conditions will definitely lead to a regime change. Zelensky and his team are doomed. Zelensky himself (as well as his most odious henchmen) may be removed in advance so that he does not interfere with such a deal. This can already be presented as "denazification". Much more moderate Parsleys will be imprisoned in Kyiv, who will no longer rush into the attack. Ukraine's mobilization potential has already been seriously undermined, the economy and industry are in deep recession, the standard of living has dropped significantly. The people will no longer want war, but more tolerable living conditions, which means that the emphasis will have to be placed on the production and acquisition of civilian products, not military equipment. The army will be greatly reduced, the economy needs workers. That is, the very same demilitarization.

    Denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine has already been partially carried out. The most hardcore Nazis have already become manure, the real military potential of Ukraine has already become smaller, even taking into account the presence of modern weapons systems. 1 million died, 10 million are on the run. Analogy with the Third Reich: the Third Reich in 1944 had more advanced weapons than in 1941, but its prospects have become definitely worse.

    And finally. Without recognition of Russian sovereignty of new territories, reduction of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and neutral status, the Russian Federation will definitely not agree to end the SVO. So all this "crying of Yaroslavna" about the defeat of the Russian Federation is beside the point.
  7. -3
    23 November 2024 09: 09
    The fact is that Ukrainians are fighting furiously for their towns and villages. The fact is that there is no point in them doing this. Their defeat does not threaten them in any way, except for the loss of power by their top brass. But the population of Ukraine, driven to schizophrenia by propaganda, readily believes that we will kill them all, rape them, deport them, sell them into slavery, etc., etc.
  8. +9
    23 November 2024 09: 37
    I remember, at the beginning of all this mess I threw a wang in the cozy blog of political expert B. Rozhin - a boring push-pull for a couple of years in the style of Korea or Iraq-Iran, then an undeclared truce along the front line. It was March, our troops were landing in Gostomel, columns were driving back and forth near Kharkov, after successes in the south, the pique waistcoats were generally arguing whether to divide Ukraine along the Dnieper or go to the Polish border. Sober realists proposed reuniting with Transnistria by land, hotheads raised questions about the Baltics and other Russophobic former republics. So I was banned, either for defeatist sentiments, or for disrespectful statements about one wonderful Georgian. It seems to me that the passions are so intense that not everyone will calmly accept a hypothetical halt to military operations along the LBS line; ultra-patriots on both front lines, especially those providing moral support from deep in the rear, may not understand. If there are enough of those who do not understand, the second episode of this exciting series will not be long in coming.
    1. +6
      23 November 2024 11: 14
      I saw his blog, especially the comments, anyone who writes a different point of view there is a tsipso and a ban.
      And there is an opinion that a stop along the front line (the Kursk region will be liberated) may not cause anything, judge for yourself that the majority of the country lives a peaceful life, others will be told what goals have been achieved.
    2. +1
      23 November 2024 11: 23
      Artem Savin, Rozhin - still nothing.. Just look at Podolyak.. What a "commander"! Marshal Shaposhnikov is nothing compared to him...)))
    3. 0
      23 November 2024 23: 01
      Quote: Artem Savin
      ultra patriots on both front lines... may not understand

      this means that the purge of the most media and resource-rich characters will be very fast and very harsh...
      and the "millionaire war blochers" and the "patriotic oligarchs" who sponsor this get-together.
      they'll all sit down! ;)

      so Russia will get an additional profit - it will also purge the internal frostbitten ones preemptively! ;)
  9. +6
    23 November 2024 10: 03
    The destruction of the USSR in 1991 and the creation of colonial states from Russia and Ukraine was part of a larger Anglo-Saxon plan.
    Its goal is to engineer a major war in Europe, destroy the peoples of Russia and Ukraine with their own hands, as well as with the hands of Europeans, appropriate their territories and resources, and create a springboard for expansion into China. In addition, it is planned to weaken Europe with the blood of Russians and enslave it, turning it into an industrial appendage of the United States.
    In this design, the SVO plays the role of a fuse. It was not easy to create a hot spot with the participation of a nuclear power in the center of quiet, peaceful Europe, but it has already been done and the old world has been destroyed.
    Japan will also join this war in the Far East.
    The war of NATO countries and Japan against Russia has already begun with the creation of a bridgehead on our territory to take the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant as an instrument of nuclear blackmail against Russia, safe for the USA/Great Britain.
    Could the US/UK abandon this plan halfway and agree to real peace?
    Those who have been deceiving all this time and continue to deceive the peoples of Russia and Ukraine answer this question positively.
  10. +4
    23 November 2024 10: 54
    The author finds this scenario more likely than the first.

    In the sense that the Russian Federation did not tolerate the threat to the people's republics and attacked Ukraine, and now it will tolerate an armed threat to itself from a neighboring state for decades? Is the author not confused? If anything, these are the modern realities of the Korean Peninsula, the presence of a large group of American troops and annual exercises involving up to 200-250 thousand troops of the Republic of Korea.
    1. +1
      23 November 2024 23: 03
      Quote: strannik1985
      Russia did not tolerate the threat to the people's republics and attacked Ukraine


      Well, we are adults... and we understand that no one cared about the "people's republics"...
      there was a calculation of what would happen to strategic security if NATO nuclear weapons appeared on Ukrainian territory... and simply what would happen to Crimea...
  11. +3
    23 November 2024 11: 21
    Whatever Trump does, he will put aside the interests of his country. It is foolish to hope for any concessions from him. And then, the US has failed - in Iraq, Afghanistan and partly in Syria. If they fail in Ukraine, even Zimbabwe will wipe their feet on them. America has not disappeared. Only the leaders have changed. The third year of denazification, but there are no special results. Everything will depend on the skill of the generals and the courage of our soldiers. And the parasites, experts and all sorts of bloggers, as always, are in the train of the advancing army. They will blurt out something while sitting at the computer. Like the expert Podolyak who "surrounded" Kyiv, Nikolaev and "approached" even Odessa. "War theorist" who did not even serve in the army. You see, he read the memoirs of Soviet marshals and took notes.
    1. +3
      23 November 2024 12: 24
      I would also add, to the courage of the soldiers and the skill of the generals, the responsible actions of the "highest" state leadership. Because in life in general and in war in particular, what matters is not our decisions, victories, and brilliantly developed and executed operations, but what others think about it.
    2. +1
      23 November 2024 23: 05
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      As an expert of Podolyak

      Why do you disrespect Yury Ivanovich so much? He advertises PSB without the "advertisement" sign, and collects 500 million "urgent collections", goes to forums, sits at "round tables" with the President... another year or two, and he will be taken into parliament, or even into the "Ministry of Patriotism"... ))
  12. +4
    23 November 2024 11: 37
    It's strange that there is no scenario where the Ukrainians will be squeezed and divided. This is a very likely scenario.
    1. +1
      23 November 2024 14: 32
      There is no point in talking about "spherical horses in a vacuum".
      1. 0
        23 November 2024 22: 23
        Why a spherical horse in a vacuum? This is the most necessary option for Russia. Everything else is actually a defeat. I think that all this muddy push-pull is precisely because certain processes must be completed in Russia that are impossible in peacetime.
  13. +2
    23 November 2024 11: 41
    Russia needs a complete victory. Demilitarization, denazification of the territory that can be called Ukraine. Annexation of the entire left bank of the Dnieper as well as the Nikolaev and Odessa regions (the Black Sea coast of modern Ukraine) to the Russian Federation. There is no other way. The result of Russia's loss and defeat in this war could be its destruction. The Europeans and Americans will not make the same mistakes that they made after the collapse of the USSR a second time.
    1. +4
      23 November 2024 23: 06
      yeah... I also "need" 100500 million money in my account, a miss world wife and an elixir of immortality... but there's a small problem... )
  14. -2
    23 November 2024 11: 58
    The President's strategy for waging war, which failed to justify itself, forced the conscription of 300 reservists into the war and, as was said at the Valdai meeting, the purchase of an additional 1,5 people daily.
    Due to the expansion of NATO, the army had to be increased by another 300 thousand people.
    The removal of hundreds of thousands of workers from the economy has critically exacerbated the personnel problem, and the Duma members have also acted in time to combat migrants.
    The shortage of personnel leads to their redistribution and distortions - where it is dense, where it is empty. The shortage of workers leads to underutilization of production capacities and the creation of material values, other negative consequences, including compensatory costs for the import of consumer goods, feed and other miscellaneous things.

    The sanctions imposed against Russia have ricocheted on the EU economy, and the US has spent a lot of money supporting the EU's war with Russia and helping Ukraine amid its own problems.
    The war showed the need for a radical restructuring of NATO and the modernization of the armed forces, and this requires increased spending.
    The ratio of potential of the USA, EU, Russia and China looks something like this:
    GDP Military budget Army size Population
    PRC – 36,6 trillion 231 billion 2,0 million 1,4 billion
    USA – 27,4 trillion, 886 billion 1,3 million 360 million
    EU – 30,3 trillion. 380 billion 2 million 450 million
    RF – 6,5 trillion 118 billion 1,5 million 150 million
    It turns out that the EU, Russia, and the US are all interested in ending the war – everyone except Ukraine with its desire to return to the borders established by the Belovezh Accords of 1991.
    As a result of the bidding, the DPR-LPR and the Crimean Republic within their administrative borders will be recognized for the Russian Federation, and the main bidding will be for the division of the Kherson and Zaporizhzhya provinces.
    Ukraine has concluded about 20 agreements on security guarantees with all leading NATO members and with some of them on joint defense, and the Ukraine-NATO Council acts as the coordinator. If Ukraine also joins the EU, for the Russian Federation this will be a catastrophe worse than a lost war.
    1. +1
      23 November 2024 16: 10
      If Ukraine also joins the EU
      The EU will simply collapse - the poor and demanding parasites in the amount of 20+ million will simply break its back. I will anticipate the "slave workers" - at present only 10-20% of the Ukrops who fled to the EU are employed, moreover - even many of those who worked, after legalization jumped on benefits.
  15. +4
    23 November 2024 12: 08
    With such a strategy of brainwashing both for our own and for others, "Russians and Ukrainians will be offered to continue killing each other for the amusement of the Western public." Okay, it is profitable for the globalists. But why are ours going for such a scenario? I don't understand.
    1. +2
      23 November 2024 14: 24
      But why ours...

      Maybe because they are not really yours?
  16. 0
    23 November 2024 13: 51
    How is it that it is impossible to achieve victory?
    Hazel will clear the way to victory. Or at least make it easier!
    1. +3
      23 November 2024 14: 15
      No, most likely it will remain as it was.
      We will hit with Hazelnut
      The Ukrainian Armed Forces will strike with Skalp and Stormshadow
      So... Let's continue to continue.
      1. 0
        23 November 2024 14: 19
        This is some kind of ping-pong!
        1. +1
          23 November 2024 23: 09
          well yes... and in the best case scenario, in 10-20 years we will be like Iran and Israel, lazily firing old missiles "for decommissioning" at each other at some previously agreed desert-steppe at an old airfield)
          but from the high tribunes "poetry stuff" will be broadcast into the ears of the scumbag masses))
  17. Aag
    +5
    23 November 2024 13: 57
    "... At the moment, the main thing for Moscow is to ensure that Ukraine does not join NATO..." (C) from the article...
    Even without being in NATO, UA is saturated with NATO weapons, specialists... Plus a couple of Scandinavian countries in the alliance, saturation of former Allies - and now NATO members - with weapons, development of logistics schemes along practically the entire perimeter of the Russian Federation, plus - rabid Russophobia at practically all levels...
    That is, - with the goals of the SVO (as I "understood" them), - it didn't work out...
    1. -1
      23 November 2024 23: 09
      Quote: AAG
      That is, - with the goals of the SVO (as I "understood" them), - it didn't work out...

      well yeah, it didn't work out... it happens... sometimes you have to be able to lose in the moment without putting everything down to your underwear on the line...
    2. 0
      27 November 2024 09: 51
      Even without being in NATO, UA is filled with NATO weapons, specialists...

      Although officially joining NATO is not recognized by the West, de facto the hidden integration of the 404th polygon into NATO has been completed 100%.
      These are the times when much is done unofficially, because there is no war. It turns out that the author makes mistakes, because he does not understand these realities. We should write not about non-entry, but about leaving NATO.
  18. +7
    23 November 2024 14: 18
    This is the purpose of the SVO.

    Really?! Neutral status of the outskirts and recognition of new borders? "Neutral status" is a sham, meaning a gray zone from Poland to our territory. After all, the Russian Federation has no real opportunities to control the implementation of such an agreement. And "recognition" of borders is generally a utopia, no one will agree to this - neither China, nor the global south, nor even Belarus.
    1. +4
      23 November 2024 16: 25
      Quote: fsvlad
      Neutral status of the outskirts and recognition of new borders? "Neutral status" is a figment of the imagination, meaning a gray zone from Poland to our territory.

      And as the example of Finland has shown, such a status can be revised at any time.
  19. -4
    23 November 2024 20: 22
    A suggestion to the author: once again familiarize yourself with the history of the Great Patriotic War.
    It is possible to have a civil one at the same time (so as not to visit the archive twice). This is on the topic of how Russians fight. That is, neither the first nor the second option will work.
    Well, logically, the article was probably written before the memorable attack on Yuzhmash (or what?)
    Either the author does not believe (or does not want to believe) that Russia will win finally and irrevocably.
    1. -1
      23 November 2024 21: 47
      it was probably written before the memorable attack on Yuzhmash (or what?)

      Of course, the strike was not bad and media-spectacular, but for the European vassals of the USA and the USA itself, this is not enough. It would be good to bang a hypersonic missile on the border bridges from Poland to Ukraine. Of course, closer to the Ukrainian shore and even with a minimal nuclear charge. This would be a real warning.
  20. 0
    24 November 2024 00: 28
    I wrote about it like this:
    "Korean version gribanov56.livejournal.com"
    1. 0
      27 November 2024 09: 56
      Wishes and plans are one thing, but there is a force of circumstances, if or when one of the parties exhausts its potential and cannot even hold the defense, it will want the Korean option. But there is one but, the other party, if it has sufficient capabilities, may not agree to a truce and will finish off the weakened one.
  21. -1
    24 November 2024 16: 03
    Quote: Ghost1
    I saw his blog, especially the comments, anyone who writes a different point of view there is a tsipso and a ban.

    and here it's somehow different?
    any criticism of war tactics, indestructible bridges, thermal power plants - and you're a Ukrainian from Tsipso.
    any statements - that Putin wants to renegotiate the negotiations with every interview - you are a traitor.
    any words - Prigozhin was right about the theft in the Ministry of Defense literally a year ago - you are Navalny, a traitor to Russia and so on.
    It's funny to even mention the red lines from Putin and Konashenkov - they simply DO NOT EXIST.

    but I still feel sorry for the people.
    They are being fooled, they are being deceived on TV, their Guarantor the Koran kisses them publicly, Tajik-Kyrgyz walk the streets and feel better than the indigenous population (they rape girls and women, sell drugs, work out in the gym) - everything is ok for them.
    and prices are rising, no one notices - but they still support it by 81%, according to even today's top 10 Yandex news line.


    and the result of this support is outside the window.
  22. 0
    27 November 2024 08: 39
    declaration of a ceasefire, creation of a demilitarized zone, guarantees from Russia that Ukraine will not join NATO,

    The question arises about defining what NATO membership is. The following types of NATO membership can be distinguished:
    -Official entry into NATO
    - Hidden full accession, when there is no official announcement, but in fact full integration with NATO has occurred.
    - Hidden partial entry - partial integration with NATO
    At the present moment it looks like the 404th polygon has been secretly integrated into NATO by 80%, although the West officially denies joining, which means we should talk not about non-joining, but about the 404th withdrawal from NATO, the authors are still living in the past and writing about some kind of non-joining.
    The level of integration can be listed: - 404 reconnaissance is carried out by the forces of the Western bloc using a satellite group, UAVs, AWACS and ELINT aircraft, direct financing of the economy, supply of weapons, training and equipping of troops in Western countries, they wrote that as much as an entire personnel unit of the American army corps is laying out and setting up communications, using Western radio systems, for the Ukrainian Armed Forces plus a separate Starlink broadband connection, there are Western advisers, it seems that there is direct planning of operations in the Pentagon, there are units of professional Marines.
    It even seems that the percentage of integration of 404 with NATO can be estimated at not 80% but all 100%
    So much for non-accession. We should be talking about leaving NATO, not non-accession.
  23. 0
    27 November 2024 12: 44
    Those who are not inside Ukraine will not understand that this is not a bomb that exploded from within. But this suggests that Zelensky and his team are the last aspect of keeping society from exploding. External processes are one thing, but what is happening inside is all a miracle and a miracle.