Three questions to ATACMS

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Three questions to ATACMS

In fact, there are many additional questions to the array of information that has been thrown into the information space recently. Having read many opinions, having listened to Putin, one can conclude that not everything is so clear-cut. And here are several questions for the court on the merits, caused precisely by an attempt to understand what is happening.

I will immediately stipulate that I made no attempt to understand Zelensky's logic, that's why he is on the sidelines. In general, to understand the logic of a drug addict who is so eager to send the largest possible number of Ukrainians to the next world - you know, the old Germans could shed some light on what is happening, they had one historical a character who loved to shoot a funny guy in the vein and fight until the last German.



But we are not talking about drug addicts in power, we are talking about rocketsAlthough the inadequate Zelensky is also very much involved here, but first things first.

Question one: is this permission necessary at all?



In general, this show looked strange, as for more than a year the Ukrainians begged for permission to hit somewhere with a powerful American weapons. UAVs - not that, although, as we see from the reports, they can reach Izhevsk. S-200s were launched at one time (apparently, while they were still around), one of these missiles did not reach the airfield in Buturlinovka by two kilometers. Of course, when there is ATACMS and everything else, your little hands are itching.

What is the efficiency of ATACMS? Let's take it as an example simply because the algorithms of this tactical complex are known.


The main advantages of ATACMS are accuracy and efficiency. The missile flies very accurately, we have already assessed this. The launcher reaches its position, launches very quickly, rolls up and leaves. If there are no "eyes" hanging in the area of ​​its exit, it is practically impossible to counteract.

But our Iskander works exactly the same way. One to one.

So, the ATACMS launcher moves into position. While the crew works with the launcher, the commander is engaged in a very important process: he determines the launcher coordinates with very high accuracy, up to hundredths of a degree. That is, he calculates "point A" from where the missile will fly.

Then the program sews the data into a file, and it flies off via satellite communication somewhere. And where? To where the file will be placed in a special program, which will set another "Point B" and connect these points with the rocket's route. And another file is sent via the same satellite channel to the launcher, which will be the flight mission for the rocket.

That is, I emphasize boldly: the target at which the missile will fly is not chosen at the launcher or even at the headquarters of the missile and artillery unit of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The target is chosen where the flight mission is carried out. That is why ATACMS fly precisely and where they need to, and not where Zelensky would like.

So it is clear and understandable who is running the show. Not the Ukrainian Armed Forces servicemen. The launch complex commander is solely engaged in determining the launcher's location and entering the completed flight mission into the rocket's computer. Oh, and he presses the red button.

In fact, the Ukrainians here are nothing more than service personnel. The actual launches are handled by completely different people in other places. And they do it really well, because in order for the flight mission to be dropped onto the Link 16 terminal in the HIMARS launcher in a few minutes, more than a dozen people must work hard.

Yes, I'll digress for a second, for air-launched cruise missiles like the Storm Shadow, everything is exactly the same, the only difference is that the carrier does not stand still, so everything is a little more complicated. But even there, the finish point is fixed tightly, and the missile can adjust its course using an inertial reference system, satellite signals, and a radar map of the route's terrain. Plus, the missile's computer has a radar or optical "portrait" of the target, which allows it not to miss and compensate for inaccurate entry into the missile's launch point or time spread in the event of an early or late exit to the point.

Well, in the case of the Ukrainian Su-24, which “can’t” do “Storm Shadow,” it is clear and understandable that the aircraft is simply a delivery vehicle, the data is entered on the ground, and then the missile’s computer itself handles the flight mission.

This is why the "Storms" were only good for use against stationary objects such as "factories".

And here it is worth emphasizing once again: Ukrainian servicemen do not have access to missile control systems. All target designation is carried out by NATO servicemen.

Why? You know, do you remember the old Soviet joke about the blue hands of the man who flew into space?

Yes, the same ATACMS has a defense system that does not allow a missile to be launched at the territory of a NATO country. Well, yes, and the Patriot has a friend-or-foe identification system, and an F-16-type aircraft has a responder... And did this really prevent the Ukrainian anti-aircraft gunners from shooting down their own F-16?

I will add one more interesting point, which, it would seem, has nothing to do with this topic, but...

A very interesting document was re-signed in Kyiv:


This is the so-called law on the decommissioning of the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant and the replacement of the Shelter facility with a modern and environmentally friendly safety system.

Yes, these are the first amendments to the law, new ones will be sent too, but the documents are not as important as the euros that came to Kyiv for the final and irrevocable destruction of power units 1 and 2.

And why should Europe spend millions of euros to destroy power units that could work? The third one was shut down in 2000 for absolutely no apparent reason. And here we need to look at the invisible reasons, namely, that RBMK-type power units are very well suited for producing “weapons-grade” plutonium. They call it “weapons-grade” to distinguish it from “reactor-grade”. In general, plutonium-239 is formed in any nuclear reactor running on natural or low-enriched uranium, which contains mainly the uranium-238 isotope, when it captures excess neutrons. But VVER-type reactors run on more enriched fuel, and a large number of plutonium-240 and 242 isotopes are formed there, which do not have a long half-life. But RBMK is more suitable for producing weapons-grade plutonium, even if it will have to be further enriched later.

There is only one conclusion: Europeans, alas, do not trust their Ukrainian brothers. A monkey with a nuclear landmine is not very pleasant. Especially with the cries of a "dirty" bomb and Zelensky's constant complaints about the "allies".

Today the enemy is Russia, but tomorrow, you know, it could be anyone. For example, a European country that did not provide shells.

I understand both the Europeans and the Americans perfectly well. That is why I understand why they do not allow the Ukrainian military to control the missiles. They can easily fly in the wrong direction. That is why the Ukrainian launch crews and the pilots of the aircraft carrying the American missiles are simply drivers and service personnel. Their job is to drive the vehicle to the position, take their own coordinates, transmit them to the control center, and when the flight mission is ready, press the "Start" button. The actual control of the target selection and preparation of the flight mission remains with NATO - most often American - servicemen.

If this is not NATO's participation in the conflict on the side of one of the participants, then I don't even know what to call participation in the conflict.

So the answer to the first question is rather rhetorical. Naturally, permission is necessary, but solely for the sake of Zelensky's political bubbles. It is not he who decides where to send the missiles (and, I suspect, when).

Question two: is it possible to do without NATO?



Theoretically, yes. But here we need to understand how the selection of data for flight missions occurs. Technically, it all starts with satellite reconnaissance.

In fact, the topic can be almost finished here: the orbital group of US military satellites has more than 400 devices, including several dozen reconnaissance ones. The European Union has about 150 of its own. Ukraine has none. It is clear that the Ukrainian Armed Forces are completely dependent on information coming from NATO.

But here's another difficulty: it's not enough to photograph some part of the earth's surface from a satellite; these images need to be processed to turn them into data that will be understandable to the rocket's control computers. That is, converting the image into a map that the rocket will fly along.

This "noble" business is carried out by a very small number of special centers, and, as you understand, there is not a single one on the territory of Ukraine. Probably, it is necessary to know the enemy by sight, and therefore here is a list of satellite information processing centers to support military operations:

USA - National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA);
France - Center d'Expertise de la Défense (CED);
UK - Defense Intelligence Organisation;
Belgium - NATO Communications and Information Agency (NCIA) and Allied Command Operations (ACO);
Italy - Allied Joint Force Command.


These centers, linked together by top-secret and encrypted communication lines, process and analyze data to support military operations. Naturally, they are all involved in helping the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

These centers process not only satellite data in real time, they are happy to receive any intelligence information. The processed information becomes the basis for obtaining the exact coordinates of the target, and the coordinates are then used to send some type of weapon to them.

And here is the question: can't Ukrainian craftsmen use things like open data from Yandex Maps or Google Maps to obtain target coordinates, or use civil aviation flight data? aviation?

In general, it is possible. And, most likely, it is these coordinates that the structures of the Ukrainian Armed Forces use to send crowds drones daily to Russian territory. And the coordinates of an airfield, military plant or energy facility can be obtained and used in this way. But there is a small hitch here: two types of data cannot be found in these services.

First: operational data on troop groups and their movements, the presence of aircraft at airfields, ships at bases, and facilities DefenseSuch data changes quickly and needs to be processed quickly, but neither Yandex nor Google provide it.

Second: high-precision terrain profile data. In general, this is more necessary for drones and cruise missiles, because it is essentially a radar portrait of the terrain, without which the same cruise missile or drone flying along the route embedded in it can easily fly into some obstacle.

For example, in my city, these obstacles have repeatedly been high-rise new buildings, which drones “didn’t know about”, as a result of which they flew into residential buildings on the upper floors.

They say that such data is in the flight routes of civilian airliners, and the smart guys of the Ukrainian Armed Forces could take it from there, but civilian aircraft fly along specially designated corridors, and it is impossible for air defense forces to block them. EW In principle, it’s as easy as pie, because we know these corridors very well.

The algorithm is then simple: data on targets that can be hit is transmitted from data centers to Ukrainian military headquarters, where decisions are apparently made on which of the provided targets are worthy of attack. Then there are the little things left, like giving the order to deploy a specific HIMARS launcher to carry out the mission.


Yes, without NATO assistance, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will not be able to attack targets far from the front line. This is clear from where the Ukrainian Armed Forces receive data for missile and other strikes, as well as from who and where creates flight missions for missiles.

In general, permission to strike deep into Russia with all NATO missiles does not cause strong feelings, despite the fact that I live in that very "depth", which is quite achievable. And there is so much stuff lying around in the forest plantations here, fortunately, scrap metal methods are strictly prohibited from accepting drones. By the way, there have been quite a few precedents performed by young people.

The third and final question: what will they hit with?


There is some kind of chaos and complete confusion in the media here. I will allow myself to quote from one very well-known media outlet:

"First of all, we are talking about the American ATACMS ballistic missiles (range 300 km), the American JASSM cruise missiles (370 km), the British Storm Shadow cruise missiles and their French version SCALP-EG (both up to 560 km). Although both the British and French leadership currently deny this possibility, it is still worth considering."

This looks more like panic, to be honest.

The Americans have given Kyiv the MGM-140A ATACMS Block 1. The range is 165 km, and these missiles do not require satellite tracking: being a 1991 model, they fly using the INS, the inertial navigation system. Kyiv has not yet received other missiles, at least there is no information about this.

And it is more than doubtful that the US will fork out for the slightly more modern MGM-140B ATACMS Block 1A and MGM-168A ATACMS Block 1A(QRU) with a range of up to 300 km. As if they themselves also need something for themselves, this Block 1 was stamped out in simply terrifying quantities, more than a thousand pieces. Subsequent modifications were produced in more modest batches.


AGM-158 JASSM was not supplied to Ukraine, it was not even planned. This air-to-surface missile requires a carrier capable of interacting with it. And the Ukrainian Armed Forces, alas, do not have such aircraft: what Denmark transferred to Ukraine are modifications of the F-16AM/BM manufactured before 1991. And as carriers of JASSM, this old stuff is about as useful as the Ukrainian Su-24.


Storm Shadow / SCALP-EG – yes, these have a longer range. But judging by how these missiles were used, it still looks more like export versions, which have a shorter range of 370-390 km. But the carriers were kind of knocked out there…

So who did they want to scare with "strikes deep into Russia"? If you look calmly, the same ones are in the crosshairs: Belgorod, Kursk, Bryansk, Voronezh regions. Yes, the arrival of missiles of this class instead of regular drones will be a very unpleasant phenomenon and, perhaps, will even cause negativity. But - at first.

And then, we have been getting all sorts of things here systematically and regularly for two years. That is why people have become frankly accustomed to phenomena from the Ukrainian side, excuse me, Voronezh is not Izhevsk, where a single arrival of some stray drone caused such a reaction.

And even more so, it is not worth comparing the level of practical skills of local air defense. This is really a Level, because look at the reports - they really shoot down everything that flies. Yes, there were individual incidents in the region, when they attacked a distillery, they succeeded and there were cases (two) of attacks on warehouses.

ATACMS is a difficult target, but there have been interceptions before, so there will be more. As for the British and French cruise missiles, sorry, they are subsonic, so the fact that they reached their targets in Crimea only means that someone missed them. A subsonic cruise missile has long been considered a difficult target for Russian air defense systems, the issue here is the level of training of the crews and their attentiveness.

In general, permission to “hit deep” into Russia is, rather, populism and an attempt to bargain for something politically in the inevitably coming negotiations on the end of Zelensky’s regime, nothing more.

Yes, it is clear that a large number of peaceful people on both sides can pay for the madness of a drug addict with their lives and health, but nothing can be done about it. If someone decided that he doesn't need soap on a rope, what should he do?

But it’s already difficult to scare people with anything else like that (especially after the “dirty bombs” of Ukrainian Nazis).
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  1. +4
    21 November 2024 05: 57
    Oh, if only we could learn to turn all these Storm Shadow / SCALP-EG and ATACMS 180 degrees in flight...
    1. +10
      21 November 2024 06: 32
      OK Roman... You convinced me that this is all for NATO, or America, or Papa Carlo...

      Why isn’t Ukraine afraid that NATO, or whoever else, will set it up and, say, strike civilian targets (God forbid), and won’t let this Friend Trump push Zelinsky into the world?

      All these dreams in Roman's inflamed brain do not match. And unfortunately, Ukraine has intelligence. So the described model is not based on the formula "Trust, but also verify", but for suckers, which the military leadership of Ukraine does not resemble.
      1. +1
        21 November 2024 09: 00
        Why isn't Ukraine afraid that NATO, or whoever else, will set it up and strike, say, at civilian targets (God forbid), and won't let this Friend Trump push Zelinsky into the world?
        ?
        It wasn't a rocket that hit, it was an air conditioner that exploded.
        This is not a Ukrainian missile, this is the Russians shelling themselves.
        It was the Russians who damaged the missile (reconnaissance or air defense) and instead of hitting a military target, it hit a civilian one.
        This is a Ukrainian missile, but it happened completely by accident, some kind of glitch, they were aiming at a military facility.
        Since 14, such explanations have been going on, there were plenty of reasons for Europe and the USA to notice that Ukraine is being set up (and voices were heard that Ukraine is acting with slightly inhumane methods). But they prefer not to notice. And if so, then why should they notice now?
      2. +2
        21 November 2024 11: 09
        And why isn’t Ukraine afraid that NATO, or whoever else, will let it down, and it won't hit, say, civilian targets (God forbid), and won't let this Friend Trump pin Zelinsky to the world??
        Very interesting. Mikhail, have you slept for a couple of years or more? It doesn't matter that they They constantly hit civilian targets?!
    2. -1
      23 November 2024 01: 32
      You haven't heard of Manilov, have you?
  2. -4
    21 November 2024 06: 04
    But it’s already difficult to scare people with anything else like that (especially after the “dirty bombs” of Ukrainian Nazis).
    . Particularly nervous, excitable, fearful people can be scared by showing a well-known gesture with your finger... but there are not many of them, rather FEW.
    A person gets used to, if not everything, then to a lot.
    By the way, the tactics/attempts to scare the enemy, his citizens, are as old as the world and may work/may not work, in different ways, in general.
  3. +6
    21 November 2024 06: 05
    In general, permission to “hit deep” into Russia is, rather, populism and an attempt to bargain for something politically in the inevitably coming negotiations on the end of Zelensky’s regime, nothing more.

    This is just another smirk directed at the Russian government and the top command of the Russian Armed Forces - like, we do what we want, and felt-tip pens are not rockets at all.
    Roman's article is, of course, detailed - but completely commissioned - to once again justify our upper circles.
  4. +11
    21 November 2024 06: 18
    Or maybe that's how it should be?

    Russia became a key exporter of gas to the EU countries at the beginning of autumn. This follows from Eurostat data.

    Russia has regained its status as the EU's main supplier of hydrocarbons for the first time since spring 2022.

    In September, European companies purchased gas from the Russian side for €1,4 billion, which is a third more than the figures for the month and the year before. About 60% of supplies were pipeline gas, 40% were LNG.

    In September, the European Union also imported Russian LNG for the maximum amount since April this year, amounting to €547,8 million. The main importers were France (€215,7 million), Belgium (€130,5 million) and the Netherlands (€93,5 million).

    According to Le Figaro (https://www.lefigaro.fr/international/joe-biden-aurait-donne-son-accord-al-ukraine-pour-frapper-la-russie-en-profondeur-avec-des-armes-americaines-20241117), France has given Kyiv permission to fire Skalp missiles at Russian territory, and yesterday it was these missiles that struck the Kursk region. And the Netherlands has officially announced the delivery of 6 F-16 fighters to the Ukrainian Armed Forces out of the promised batch of 24 aircraft.

    They fire missiles at us, and we fire gas at them. That's the asymmetrical response. And most importantly, no one explains where the goal is and where the logic is.
    1. +3
      21 November 2024 17: 24
      Quote: avia12005
      They fire rockets at us, and we fire gas at them.

      Well, let's refuse to supply gas, the budget will lose income from it, there will be nothing to pay the military-industrial complex with, so we will continue to fight with grandfather's PPSh from the responsible storage. Is that it?
      1. +2
        21 November 2024 18: 15
        Well, let's refuse to supply gas, the budget will lose income from it, there will be nothing to pay the military-industrial complex with, so we will continue to fight with grandfather's PPSh from the responsible storage. Is that it?
        Question: How does Russia get money from the sale of gas, since dollar and euro accounts are frozen? Tell me, they transfer in rubles, and how is this and how to use the frozen currency, how to buy anything in the West with it, explain it to me, a fool?
        1. +2
          21 November 2024 19: 44
          Quote: ain1959
          Question: How does Russia get money from the sale of gas, since dollar and euro accounts are frozen?

          Who told you that?:))))) It's not the accounts that have been arrested, but the deposits placed in the West. And the accounts continue to function as before.
          1. -1
            21 November 2024 23: 01
            All dollar accounts in the Central Bank of Russia are blocked, it is difficult to transfer money from them. Even if dollars come to the accounts of Russian banks, they are blocked by the US and it is almost impossible to buy anything with them. That is why some countries do not trade with Russia for dollars, they have to look for workarounds and switch to cash or barter. And those oligarchs who drive oil and gas to the West are traitors, they made a deal with the US that some percentage of the deal is transferred to dummy accounts to support the pants of oligarchs who live in the West, and all the proceeds are seized by the US
          2. 0
            21 November 2024 23: 02
            German customs officers confiscated expensive items and bags worth a total of €114 from two Russian women flying home via Turkey at Stuttgart airport, the department said in a statement.

            This happened in early November. Customs officers inspected the luggage of two women, aged 25 and 64. As the newspaper notes, their luggage contained almost exclusively expensive brands — bags and clothes. The total value of all the items was €114.

            Customs officials also discovered that they had sent seven large parcels to Russia before leaving Germany, which included other luxury items worth a total of €12.

            A criminal case was opened against them on suspicion of violating the Law on Foreign Economic Activity, the department noted.
            1. +2
              22 November 2024 06: 54
              Quote: ain1959
              All dollar accounts in the Central Bank of Russia are blocked, it is difficult to transfer money from them.

              Once again. The Central Bank has nothing to do with this, it is the central bank, it does not deal with payments for gas. It placed funds abroad and they are arrested.
              Quote: ain1959
              Even if dollars come to the accounts of Russian banks, they are blocked by the US and it is almost impossible to buy anything with them.

              Once again. Those who buy gas in Europe open an account in Gazprombank and pay. There are no problems, and there are no and cannot be any blockages - they open ruble accounts:))))) And the currency in the Russian Federation comes from the purchase of these same rubles.
              Quote: ain1959
              German customs officers confiscated money from two Russian women at Stuttgart airport

              So what?:))))) Here are the usual double standards - Europe does not buy from us what it does not want to buy and does not sell to us what it does not want to sell. But it is happy to buy what it wants to buy from us, even if sometimes by roundabout means
              1. 0
                22 November 2024 07: 48
                Chinese banks have begun to refuse to accept funds not only if they come from Russia, but even if Russian names are indicated in the payment documents. This was reported to Izvestia by business representatives. These cases are not widespread yet, but the situation with accepting transactions has become significantly more complicated since mid-July. Financial institutions from China are playing it safe, fearing possible secondary restrictions. Now they are increasingly adhering to the principles of "zero trust", entrepreneurs note. Will the situation improve after the recent negotiations between the prime ministers of the Russian Federation and China - in the Izvestia article.
                Chinese banks block payments from Russian importers
                A number of Chinese banks refuse to accept money if payment documents contain Russian names. This was reported to Izvestia by Alexey Poroshin, CEO of JSC Pervaya Gruppa. He added that importers are forced to prepare a full set of documents for transactions through third parties so that the connection with Russia is not visible. Such cases have been recorded since mid-July.
                1. +2
                  22 November 2024 07: 51
                  This is common knowledge and it does not stop Europe from paying for Russian gas.
              2. 0
                22 November 2024 07: 55
                The Bank of Russia has extended restrictions on the withdrawal of foreign currency in cash for another six months, until March 9, 2025. The Bank of Russia maintains restrictions on cash currency in connection with the sanctions in force against our country, which prohibit domestic financial institutions from acquiring Western countries’ cash currency.
              3. 0
                22 November 2024 07: 55
                Banks in the US are blocking clients' accounts when they attempt to conduct transactions from Russia, RBC reports, citing lawyers it interviewed.

                American banks detect attempts to log into a personal account from Russian territory by the client's IP address. According to Dmitry Doroshko, senior M&A lawyer at ASB Consulting Group, there have been several such cases, and they have been recorded over the past year and a half.

                The existence of the problem was also confirmed by the Pen & Paper Bar Association. According to Anton Imennov, a senior partner at the Bar Association, blocking accounts by IP address was just another manifestation of the tendency of banks to overcompliance (excessive compliance with sanctions requirements). Such situations mainly arise in large American banks, such as Wells Fargo. Imennov also noted that not only Russian citizens, but also Americans of Iranian origin, were affected by overcompliance.

                Read more: https://www.vedomosti.ru/finance/news/2024/08/16/1056130-banki-ssha-blokiruyut?from=copy_text
              4. 0
                22 November 2024 07: 58
                Gazprombank, which had managed to avoid being included in the US sanctions blacklist since February 2022, has finally found itself on it: the US imposed blocking sanctions against the bank on November 21. Six foreign subsidiaries of Gazprombank were also included in the SDN list - branches in Luxembourg, Hong Kong, Switzerland, South Africa and two structures in Cyprus. Before that day, only Great Britain, Australia, Canada and New Zealand had imposed sanctions against the bank.

                In total, on November 21, more than 50 Russian banks with international connections, more than 40 securities registrars and 15 individuals fell under US sanctions. Among the banks are Eurofinance Mosnarbank, Dom.RF Bank, BCS Bank, Weibank, Vitabank, Interstate Bank, Uglemetbank, Krona Bank, Finstar Bank and others.

                You in

                Read more: https://www.vedomosti.ru/finance/articles/2024/11/22/1076629-chto-znachat-novie-sanktsii-ssha-protiv-rossiiskih-bankov?from=copy_text
                1. +2
                  22 November 2024 08: 10
                  And all this, I repeat for the 10th time, does not prevent us from paying Europeans for gas:)))
                  Those countries that do not want to buy it directly buy it from those who do, such as Turkey.
              5. -1
                22 November 2024 08: 28
                Finally, Biden blocked and unblocked Russian gas supplies to Europe. That is, now Russian oligarchs will stop squandering Russian raw materials and feeding Ukraine's accounts. Gazprombank, which had managed to avoid being included in the US sanctions blacklist since February 2022, still ended up on it: the States imposed blocking sanctions against the bank on November 21. Six foreign subsidiaries of Gazprombank were also included in the SDN list - branches in Luxembourg, Hong Kong, Switzerland, South Africa and two structures in Cyprus. Before that day, only Great Britain, Australia, Canada and New Zealand had imposed sanctions against the bank. In total, on November 21, more than 50 Russian banks with international ties, more than 40 securities registrars and 15 citizens fell under US sanctions. Among the banks are Eurofinance Mosnarbank, Dom.RF Bank, BCS Bank, Weibank, Vitabank, Interstate Bank, Uglemetbank, Krona Bank, Finstar Bank, etc. This means that gas and oil supplies to Europe will be difficult because Europe will not be able to pay for Russian gas.
                1. +1
                  22 November 2024 11: 02
                  Quote: ain1959
                  Finally, Biden blocked and unblocked Russian gas supplies to Europe.

                  Do you have Biden Schrodinger? So did you block or unblock?:)))))
                  Quote: ain1959
                  That is, now Russian oligarchs will stop squandering Russian raw materials and feeding Ukraine

                  True, the sale of these resources accounted for an average of 40% of the income of the federal budget of the Russian Federation...
                  Quote: ain1959
                  This means that gas and oil supplies to Europe will be difficult.

                  And Turkey doesn't care.
                  The Bosphorus Gaz currency swap scheme works like this: Russian companies pay Turkish exporters for the goods they deliver, but instead of regular bank transfers, which can be delayed and incur large fees due to sanctions, payments are made through an intermediary, Bosphorus Gaz. Russian buyers transfer rubles to Bosphorus Gaz, which then pays Turkish exporters the equivalent amount in euros. These euros are easier to use in Turkey than rubles, making it easier for exporters to receive payments. Bosphorus Gaz itself uses the rubles it receives to pay for Russian gas it buys from Gazprom. All transactions are conducted through Turkey’s state-owned Emlak Katilim Bankasi to ensure the transaction is legal.

                  And that's it. All Europeans who want it are now buying "Turkish" gas
                  1. -1
                    23 November 2024 08: 08
                    Thanks for the info, now the US knows where it flows
                  2. -1
                    23 November 2024 08: 21
                    I said that oligarchs and children of oligarchs benefit from these bells and whistles, who are dripping currency to support their pants, and Russia gets nothing. The dollar jumped above 100 rubles at the auction, although oil and gas are becoming more expensive, this indicates that foreign exchange earnings are not coming in. And it is better to send this gas to the domestic market of Russia, then we can even grow cheap bananas and vegetables and fruits in Siberia. And the fact that the domestic gas market can make electricity cheaper in Russia, and all the bitcoin miners will be in Siberia, it is just cold there and there will be cheap electricity, which is favorable for various computer servers. And electricity can be easily traded, it is easier to sell than gas
                    1. +1
                      23 November 2024 11: 10
                      Quote: ain1959
                      Thanks for the info, now the US knows where it flows

                      :))) Kindergarten, group "Yolochka". And they didn't know before, right?:))))) And yes, I actually quoted one of the articles:))))))
                      Quote: ain1959
                      I said that the oligarchs and the children of oligarchs benefit from these bells and whistles, they get currency to support their pants, and Russia gets nothing.

                      Well, that was incorrect. It's clear that the oligarchs are getting some, but the country is also getting some.
                      Quote: ain1959
                      It would be better to direct this gas to the Russian domestic market

                      My advice to you is, don’t try to talk about economics; you don’t even have basic knowledge of it.
                      The inflow of currency has decreased not because of the mythical "machinations of the aligarchs", but for a very banal reason - a sharp drop in prices for gas and oil, which we sell. Because the volumes sold to Europe have been greatly reduced, and India is buying for rupees that no one needs, and China is simply twisting our arms, buying at prices below the baseboard.
                      Do you even know why the price of gas in Russia is cheap? Because it is set by the state, it is not a market price, and generally speaking Gazprom is unprofitable on deliveries within the country. But this is offset by profits from foreign deliveries. Cut them off - and gas prices within the country will go up
      2. +3
        21 November 2024 18: 30
        Don't even talk about betrayal on all sides. laughing We pump gas through Ukraine to the EU to earn money, which we will use to make weapons that we will shoot at Ukraine. Ukraine will use the money it receives from transit to buy weapons to shoot at us. Europe, using our gas, will make weapons for Ukraine, while paying us money, which we will... and so on in a circle. What an absurdity... belay
      3. 0
        23 November 2024 17: 03
        Let's not fill the budget at the expense of military operations and the losses that accompany them.
  5. Des
    +2
    21 November 2024 06: 57
    At the beginning of reading I thought - Staver). But no))). A normal article from the author.
    Everything is explained quite clearly.
    It's a bit annoying that
    Yes, it is clear that a large number of peaceful people on both sides can pay for the madness of a drug addict with their lives and health, but nothing can be done about it. If someone decided that he doesn't need soap on a rope, what should he do?
  6. +6
    21 November 2024 07: 03
    Hmm... Reasoning... We've gotten used to the arrivals - it's the norm... And the areas mentioned are "old and unnecessary"... And the fact that we haven't been able to do away with drug addicts and degenerates for three years, well, that's just us, we went out for a walk.
  7. +6
    21 November 2024 07: 46
    Well, where are all the threats that if they hit us, then we'll be hit with a loaf of bread on everyone...
    Why was there all this empty talk and show-off with the new doctrine on nuclear weapons? They threatened and did nothing. Now the whole world is convinced that words and deeds in Russia are two different things. The potential aggressor is sure that even in the event of a nuclear strike on the Russian Federation, the probability of a retaliatory strike is reduced to zero. Most likely, NATO units will officially appear in Ukraine, and then on the LBS, since they are sure that nothing but blah blah blah will happen from our side.
  8. +9
    21 November 2024 07: 47
    After listening to Putin, one can conclude

    It's better not to draw any conclusions.
  9. BAI
    +5
    21 November 2024 07: 52
    Second: high-precision terrain elevation profile data.

    When relations with Germany were still normal, it quite openly drew up a 3-D map of the European part of Russia
  10. +7
    21 November 2024 08: 00
    разрешение hitting deep into Russia with all NATO missiles does not evoke strong feelings

    This is not permission for Ukraine to fire NATO missiles, but decision. It was the West that decided this. Provided the missiles. Chose the target. Gave the coordinates. The puppets only had to press a button. And they didn't even know where the missile would fly.

    A mirror, symmetrical and adequate response to aggression can only be on the territory of the countries entering the coordinates into the missile.
    They might object. They say, this is war! And what were you thinking when you did this?
  11. +11
    21 November 2024 08: 20
    Well, as always, there's nothing to worry about, everything's fine. And the fact that a drone carries 20-50 kg of ammunition, and a Hammer up to 150 kg, and even in a cassette version, this is not taken into account. Well, a couple of people will die, well, a couple of houses will be demolished, we've already gotten used to it.
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      1. +3
        21 November 2024 14: 00
        I looked, the damage in the building itself is not so critical, most likely it can even be restored. But ATACMS is more powerful. The difference in weight can be almost twice as much.
      2. BAI
        0
        21 November 2024 20: 42
        Search by pictures "Makeyevka Solnechny dispensary" into the building into the building hit either three or four Hymers

        What health resort in Makeyevka? I drove past the building where 300 mobilized people from Volgograd were killed by Heimers. I saw a lot of ruins in Mariupol, Severodonetsk and many other places of fighting. Everywhere and always from a building - a residential building, an industrial building, a village outhouse after a hit there remain vertical elements of the structure. Corners, walls, etc. In Makeyevka NOTHING WAS LEFT. A flat gentle hill (now cleared). I saw such destruction only from industrial destruction of buildings and after the earthquake in Sakhalin, when 5-story panel houses collapsed like a house of cards
  12. +12
    21 November 2024 08: 32
    The very posing of the question that someone is allowing to strike deep into Russia or not is a serious defeat.
    But in this case the question is fundamental, our government trumpeted that such a decision would mean serious consequences for NATO countries. There is a blow, there are no consequences.
    This is the most terrible thing, because after this the third world war becomes inevitable. Only the fear of nuclear weapons holds us back from the third world war. And after this, what difference does it make whether they hit with missiles or invade the Kaliningrad region? And it is noticeable that Mr. Lukashenko has somehow stopped believing in the defense, judging by his statements
  13. +3
    21 November 2024 08: 53
    The author, IMHO, is stretching an owl onto a globe.
    Well, and at the same time it lengthens the text with various inserts

    IMHO, if someone supplies gas, weapons, or airplanes somewhere, then they have a new owner.
    Although it is implied that both aircraft, gas equipment and weapons will still be serviced by the manufacturer.

    A close example is the supply of weapons to Russia in Algeria and Syria. Who the Algerians will hit there is their business. But the aircraft and helicopters will certainly be serviced with our participation.
  14. +10
    21 November 2024 08: 56
    The SVO has already gone 1000 days, but it can’t even drive the enemy out of the Kursk region.
    The bridges across the Dnieper are intact and the railway tracks (along which supplies are supplied to the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the EU) are also intact.
    The 750 kV generating substations are also intact.
    And the real use of tactical nuclear weapons is already in the air.
    All the red lines have long been crossed.
    It turns out that there are some threats from our side, and from the Ukrainian Armed Forces - ATACMS, Storm Shadows, SCALP-EP, Himars with human casualties and destruction of infrastructure.

    How much longer will the fighting continue with "white" gloves?
    1. -6
      21 November 2024 10: 44
      They are preserving the territory of Ukraine for settling it with Jews, it is not for nothing that the country's leadership, the Anglo-Saxons, wear skullcaps, because the population of Nezalezhnaya is being destroyed, and our country at the same time, we are striving for the golden billion. Maybe I am wrong, but somehow I feel uneasy from all the messages.
  15. -3
    21 November 2024 09: 28
    We have probably already sent several thousand missiles to Ukraine, what effect will there be from a response of several dozen, of which 70-80 percent will be destroyed, since the directions of the strikes are known, and there are not many of them?
    All this hysteria is just PR, and permission was not given so as not to disgrace themselves on the arms market.
    1. +1
      21 November 2024 10: 50
      I agree, plus this is a trump card in future negotiations - if you want them to stop flying in, agree to our terms.
  16. +3
    21 November 2024 09: 38
    No matter who supplied the missiles, no matter who entered the flight mission, it doesn’t solve practically anything. The launch has been completed and requires a response.
    That's the question. Our people don't want a full-fledged war, but there are still options. The Houthis accidentally sank Arleigh Burke or took responsibility for the UAV landing at the British Air Force base in Cyprus. Something accidentally exploded at an American base in Syria, Iraq, or SA.
  17. +1
    21 November 2024 10: 03
    This is all known... and does not matter much. NATO is testing our leadership to respond. That is, checking how far they can go. For example, we will shoot down the missiles. And they will not have explosives at all, but pouring devices for the spread of pathogenic microbes. And epidemics will fall upon us, because the anti-missiles will destroy the missile, but will not be able to destroy the filling - the anti-missiles do not have such a large supply of explosives.
    But such an attack requires thousands of missiles, otherwise it will not be possible to cover a large enough territory of ours for the diseases to disable a sufficient number of people to paralyze the management. So the question is - will NATO be able to bang deep into our territory relatively harmlessly for themselves or not? This is what they are checking.
    Ukrainians and their fate are not taken into account at all in this study, and what they do there is of no interest to anyone.
  18. +3
    21 November 2024 10: 18
    Then the program sews the data into a file, and it flies off via satellite communication somewhere. And where? To where the file will be placed in a special program, which will set another "Point B" and connect these points with the rocket's route. And another file is sent via the same satellite channel to the launcher, which will be the flight mission for the rocket.

    That is, I emphasize boldly: the target at which the missile will fly is not chosen at the launch site or even at the headquarters of the missile and artillery unit of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The target is chosen where the flight mission is made.

    This paragraph is a complete product of the author's imagination. There is nothing like that there. The M270 and Khimars have a Common Fire Control System (CFCS), which includes a Single Launcher Control Unit; Weapon Control Unit; Power Switching Unit.
    There is no need for manual input, all calculations of firing data occur in the launcher.
    The upgraded fire control units provide increased digital processing power and upgraded computing infrastructure while eliminating complex manual assembly and component preparation.
    The upgraded fire control units provide enhanced digital processing power and modernized computing infrastructure while eliminating difficult hand assembly and component preparation.

    The components are key to allowing operators to control the weapon, regulate power and ultimately launch the missiles from the vehicle.
    The components are key to allowing operators to control weapons, regulate power and ultimately launch the rockets from the vehicle. The systems are compatible with the M142 HIMARS, a wheeled vehicle, and the tracked M270 MLRS.

    And very precise calculations are not required for GPS-guided missiles, there will be a correction at the final section anyway. The task is not difficult, even a tablet can handle it.
  19. 0
    21 November 2024 10: 21
    The article is long and difficult to understand, but generally reasonable. Only the author started with ATAKMs, and then lumped together weapons-grade plutonium and "storms". There was no need to write about plutonium at all, it is extracted from reactor plutonium from the Bandarlogs of the corresponding technologies and you can't buy them at the market. Only a few countries have them, and even those have abandoned the production of weapons-grade plutonium.
  20. +2
    21 November 2024 11: 14
    The article is complete nonsense, consisting of fables invented by the author.
    And here is the question: can’t Ukrainian craftsmen use things like open data from Yandex Maps or Google Maps to obtain target coordinates, or use flight data from civil aviation?

    In general, it is possible.

    Well, thank God, there is at least some progress in consciousness.
    But I remember how Ukrainians were called stupid when, in response to the shelling of Kharkiv factories, they organized a witch hunt among the population in search of traitors who were leaking the coordinates of the targets. Appealing to the fact that these coordinates are readable on any online maps. Truly fraternal nations.
    operational data on troop groups and their movements, the presence of aircraft at airfields, ships at bases, air defense facilities. Such data changes quickly, they need to be processed promptly, but neither Yandex nor Google provide them.

    But it is provided by the agents of the Ukrainian special services.
    And should I remind you how they covered our moving column in the Kursk region in August? By hacking a network of traffic cameras, and then conducting additional reconnaissance with a reconnaissance UAV. Satellites are not a panacea. But it is more convenient to work out the agenda "it is not the Ukrainians, it is the Americans who are shooting at us." Two birds with one stone - here in one bottle the justification "we would have defeated the Ukrainians long ago, but it is not they who are fighting against us, but the entire West" and the heart-soothing "the Ukrainians are stupid, not like us, since it is an impossible task for them to figure out how and where to launch missiles."
    So it is clear and understandable who is in charge of the concert. Not the Ukrainian Armed Forces servicemen.
    The actual launches are carried out by completely different people in different places.

    The owl crackles and tears.
    Atakams is 30 years old, it has been studied inside and out, it is not a secret, it is simpler than our Tochka. And, therefore, the Ukrainians had no problems with Tochka, we were not called to help launch them, and Atakams is simply some kind of incomprehensible technical miracle, the operation of which cannot be learned.
    And the Greeks, Arabs, Romanians, Poles, and Chinese, who have adopted these systems, know that this technology is so incomprehensible that, if anything happens, they will only be able to use it as an exotic taxi, since it cannot “shoot” without the participation of the Americans.
  21. +4
    21 November 2024 11: 18
    Foresight and preparation of air defense calculations. This is the first and main principle of countering air attacks. And it is useless to jam them at the last stage of the flight, everything is already in the "head". Only shoot down. This can be done by fighters, S-Ks and Buks.
  22. +1
    21 November 2024 11: 35
    The author hasn't discovered anything new. And the matter is as clear as day. The attacks with the above-mentioned missiles are carried out by NATO servicemen. We are not in a position to respond to this, if not in a similar way (to strike NATO ourselves), then at least symmetrically (to give the Houthis anti-ship missiles). Western leaders don't give a damn about anything, they live well, despite the fact that the media is trying to convince us otherwise. Our elected representatives are afraid for their children and capital. The whole world is showing a picture that the Russians can't do anything, they are weak and backward. We confirm this by wiping our snot. Russia is simply gradually being mixed with shit and trampled into the mud.
    Having read many opinions and listened to Putin, one can conclude that not everything is so clear-cut.

    Everything is simple and clear. Our dignity, our people are exchanged for the opportunity to sell gas.
  23. +2
    21 November 2024 14: 06
    Everything has become clear, there will be a continuation of blowing soap bubbles from our leader.
    It's time for a lawyer to retire
  24. +2
    21 November 2024 15: 15
    1) What difference does it make who is introducing what, how stupid the Ukrainians are, and the whole mechanism of using the said missiles? Do these arguments have any effect?
    2) The fact that they are already being used. And successfully.
    3) The fact that it is a dangerous weapon. One of many types that bring death and destruction. But every type of enemy weapon is denigrated here as worthless.
    4) You can calm yourself down with anything: from the stupidity of the enemy under the leadership of a drug addict to the worthlessness of his forces and means.
    5) Who is smart and in the military field already on 24. knew that the enemy is insidious, not weak, not as stupid and unprepared as one would like. And one should not and should not exaggerate one's capabilities either.
    It's a pity that the event organizers were not smart and not up to speed on military matters.
    6) And the results speak for themselves: look at the calendar; look at the map, taking a ruler (curvimeter): try to estimate the losses in personnel and weapons, other losses.
  25. +2
    21 November 2024 15: 22
    Quote: volgast1970
    Foresight and preparation of air defense calculations. This is the first and main principle of countering air attacks. And it is useless to jam them at the last stage of the flight, everything is already in the "head". Only shoot down. This can be done by fighters, S-Ks and Buks.


    Well, judging by the strikes on Moscow itself, they can't always. Recently, they sent a video - a UAV was shot down near Domodedovo. Damn, they shot down those with machine guns in the 1920s... It flies low, slowly, rattles. How far is it from LBS to Domodedovo?
    1. 0
      21 November 2024 18: 33
      And the militia is not given machine guns. These machine guns are guaranteed to shoot down aircraft-type drones that fly at an altitude of up to 500 m. The lethal range of machine guns is 2000 m. Conduct a no-fly zone for UAVs within the city limits, over Kursk, Belgorod and Bryansk. As a result of yesterday's attacks by Ukrainian drones on the Voronezh and Belgorod regions, six oil and fat industry plants were damaged. Four enterprises are located in Alekseyevka, two - in Kamenka. The damage was so serious that production at these facilities has been suspended for at least a week to carry out restoration work and assess the damage. The strikes hit mayonnaise and margarine factories in the Voronezh region, as well as a yogurt plant in the Belgorod region. Several drones were shot down at one of the air defense facilities, but their debris still damaged production buildings and caused power lines to break. The preliminary amount of damage is estimated at 50 million rubles, mainly due to damage to foreign equipment. No employees were injured. During the shutdown of the affected enterprises, the management intends to increase the capacity of the plant in the Krasnodar Territory to compensate for the downtime.
      These strikes demonstrate that the Ukrainian side continues to purposefully attack infrastructure and production facilities in the border regions of Russia. A system for monitoring the airspace of important objects has been launched in the Moscow region. They can be installed on tripods, on vehicles and on the roofs of high-rise buildings, cell towers and even on the balconies of ordinary residential buildings. The radiation of such a radar is so low that it does not require a sanitary passport. Initially, it was developed as a civilian system for air traffic control, but the SVO made its own adjustments.
      There can be 24 such radar stations in the SKVP network. Each radar weighs 110 kg. The system simultaneously tracks up to 20 aircraft, including small UAVs, determining their type, flight altitude and distance to them. According to the developers, the SKVP detects a drone such as the Baba Yaga, as well as unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) of the aircraft type, such as the Ukrainian Furies or Mugin, which strike industrial facilities, at a distance of 15-18 km. It sees Cessna-type aircraft at 30 km, and a Boeing mainline aircraft at more than 90 km.
  26. 0
    21 November 2024 16: 42
    All this is being done for the purpose of reconnaissance of our defense capabilities. Ukraine is just a safe attempt by NATO to probe our capabilities. Then the data will be loaded into a model of modern warfare and forecasts of its outcome will be obtained in comparison with NATO capabilities at the current moment. This assessment is carried out at each stage of the transfer of new capabilities to Ukraine.
  27. 0
    21 November 2024 16: 44
    I only remember one joke about blue hands without google... I don't know if the author wrote about this or not

    After another success of Soviet cosmonautics, a cosmonaut with blue hands was sent into space. When he returned, he was asked:
    - Why are your hands blue?
    - Yes, it was me who painted the flag of our country in orbit!
    - But why?
    - Well, how else? How else to show that we are in space? You scared everyone down there!
  28. +1
    21 November 2024 17: 44
    After the author has convincingly proven the obvious 101 times and explained and clarified everything and everyone - that everything is good and not scary - one question remains;
    Under what conditions will we be forced into peace?
  29. -1
    22 November 2024 07: 37
    Quote: ain1959
    But the militia is not given machine guns.

    1) But the militia is not given machine guns*.
    Yes, there was a "militia" = Prigozhin's PMC.... not only with machine guns, alas. And it shot down planes and UAVs.
    2) In the pre-war and war years up to 1945, the USSR Air Defense: The Tsar's legacy in the form of: 76-mm Lender anti-aircraft guns, a few 40-mm Vickers machine guns and semi-homemade Maxim machine gun mounts on a swivel (including the M4 - a quadruple anti-aircraft machine gun mount, effective fire at low-flying enemy aircraft (maximum at altitudes of up to 1 meters at speeds of up to 400 km/h) ShKAS, PV-500, DA and DA-1, DShK aircraft machine guns.
    As of 22 June 1941, there were:
    -1370 pcs 37-mm. automatic anti-aircraft guns rev.xnumx (1939-K)
    -805 pcs 76-mm. field guns obr.1900 g. on the anti-aircraft installations of the system Ivanova
    -539 pcs 76-mm. anti-aircraft guns arr. 1914 / 15 of the Lender system
    -19 pcs 76-mm. anti-aircraft guns arr. 1915 / 28
    -3821 pcs.76-mm. anti-aircraft guns arr. 1931 (3-K)
    -750 pcs.76-mm. anti-aircraft guns arr. 1938
    -2630 pcs 85-mm. arr. 1939 (52-K)
    https://topwar.ru/31576-zenitnye-sredstva-protivovozdushnoy-oborony-rkka.html
    3) VNOS Troops (Air surveillance, warning and communications troops).
    4) So, there was experience in fighting such small, low-flying and slow-moving targets both 100 and 79 years ago.
    ---------------
    * - Listen, do you know how many machine guns we have? We have seven of them.
    ...
    - Three pieces - nothing, but the other three pieces ... One sticks, the other jumps like crazy. And the third, the bastard, shoots in his own. And the seventh, a secret from Pan Ataman, I traded for these panties.
    - Look at this. It's so beautiful... Eh? (Wedding in Malinovka).
  30. -1
    22 November 2024 07: 51
    Quote: Victor Sergeev
    We have probably already sent several thousand missiles to Ukraine, what effect will there be from a response of several dozen, of which 70-80 percent will be destroyed, since the directions of the strikes are known, and there are not many of them?
    All this hysteria is just PR, and permission was not given so as not to disgrace themselves on the arms market.


    1) According to Ukrainian statistics, voiced by one of the Ukrainian bloggers, more than 10000 missiles were struck by the Russian Federation on Ukraine.
    2) "and they didn't give permission, so as not to disgrace themselves on the arms market"?
    What's there to be ashamed of: the missiles are highly precise and effective, and they cause enormous damage.
    They are not so cheap, but due to their shelf life, many now require expensive disposal, saving money on missile disposal.
    There are no problems with missiles and supply capabilities if the USA and NATO countries want it.
    Biden saved another nasty thing for Trump for the end of his career.