Time for Last Resort: Russia's Nuclear Deterrence Strategy

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Time for Last Resort: Russia's Nuclear Deterrence Strategy


Order No.991


At the very beginning, it is worth mentioning that the updated nuclear deterrence strategy is not a “strictly accountable document.” For all those who doubt, paragraph No. 8 is printed, in which “these Fundamentals may be clarified depending on external and internal factors affecting the provision of defense.” This was in the document of the previous edition from 2020, and it remains in the updated version. It would be extremely reckless to reveal the sequence of actions of the military-political leadership regarding the start of a nuclear war. A strategy is a strategy for a reason, to describe in general terms the state’s response to aggression. No one can say for sure what specific threats Russia will respond to with tactical nuclear weapons. weapons, and on which "Bulava". Therefore, the strategy of nuclear deterrence should not be considered as a document of military significance. It is an exclusively political declaration of intent. Many of which are intuitively understandable.




There has long been an opinion in the Russian information field that the "red lines" outlined by the updated nuclear strategy are of little concern to the West. To understand this, it is worth carefully reading the previous document signed by the Russian president on 02.06.2020 and entitled "On the Fundamentals of the State Policy of the Russian Federation in the Field of Nuclear Deterrence." If the content of the document is taken too literally, then a nuclear war should have begun the day after it was signed.

For example, the list of the main military dangers, which, depending on changes in the military-political and strategic situation, could develop into military threats, included and still include:

"the deployment by states that view the Russian Federation as a potential adversary of missile defense systems and means, cruise and ballistic missiles medium and shorter range, high-precision non-nuclear and hypersonic weapons, strike unmanned aerial vehicles, and directed energy weapons."

When did the missile defense position area appear in Romania? That's right, in 2016. Did this position area develop into a "military threat" to Russia? Yes, immediately after confirmation of operational readiness, that is, on May 12, 2016. Let's not miss another thesis found in the 2020 version of the strategy:

"Placement of nuclear weapons and their delivery systems on the territories of non-nuclear states."

When did formally non-nuclear Turkey receive TNW? In the early 60s and has not gotten rid of them since. And now the logical chain. Turkey is a NATO member, and the Alliance is anti-Russian (anti-Soviet) from birth, that is, Turkey poses a military threat to Russia. And in a good society, it is customary to eliminate military threats. Of course, it is not entirely correct to compare head-on the nuclear deterrence strategies of 2020 and 2024 - times are different now. But the principle is general - both documents interpret only approximate contours of who can get in trouble and for what. And for all those who disagree within the country, there is paragraph 16, regulating the principles of nuclear deterrence, in which under the letter B it is described "the uncertainty for a potential adversary of the scale, time and place of the possible use of nuclear deterrence forces and means." Actually, this could have been the end of the analysis of the strategy, but we will continue - there is a lot of interesting stuff there.

TYAO for ATACMS


Official information from the telegram channel of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation dated November 19, 2024:

"Tonight at 3.25 the enemy launched a strike on a facility in the Bryansk region with six ballistic missiles. According to confirmed data, the ATACMS operational-tactical missiles used were American-made. As a result of the anti-missile battle, combat crews of the S-400 and Pantsir air defense missile and gun systems shot down five missiles and damaged one. Its fragments fell on the technical territory of a military facility in the Bryansk region, causing a fire that was quickly extinguished. There were no casualties or damage."

It would seem that here it is, the casus belli? Not quite so, to put it diplomatically. The Ukrainian Armed Forces have been methodically operating cruise and ballistic missiles on Russian territory for a very long time. They started with Crimea, and continued on to the Kherson, Zaporizhia, Donetsk and Luhansk regions after joining the Russian Federation.

It should already be an indisputable truth for a Russian that the new regions of Russia are full members of the Federation, just like Omsk Oblast or Krasnoyarsk Krai. Therefore, when everyone expects a nuclear strike on Ukrainian decision-making centers after ATACMS in Bryansk Oblast, it looks like double standards. They say there is the "old" territory of Russia, and there is the "new" one. For some reason, a nuclear apocalypse was expected much less after similar strikes on Crimea. It did not happen then, and it will not happen now.


Now let us try to explain why this is so. The possibility of using nuclear weapons is, among other things, "receiving reliable information about the launch of ballistic missiles attacking the territory of the Russian Federation and (or) objects of the Russian Federation located outside its territory."

Please note two points. First, there is no precise definition of what kind of ballistic missile it should be. Tactical or strategic? By default, we are talking about strategic missiles. Russia will strike only in response to a massive launch of Minuteman and other nasty things. This point has not changed since 2020. Second, the strategy does not actually guarantee a nuclear strike in response to Russia's attack with cruise missiles. With one exception - if the launch is not massive. This is stated in point 19.b:

“The conditions that determine the possibility of the use of nuclear weapons by the Russian Federation are the receipt of reliable information about a massive launch (takeoff) of air and space attack weapons (strategic and tactical aircraft) aviation, cruise missiles, unmanned, hypersonic and other aircraft) and their crossing of the state border of the Russian Federation."

In order for all supporters of nuclear retaliation to sleep better, it only remains to define numerically what “massive” means.
A critical threat to sovereignty or territorial integrity is one of the most important factors for which the enemy will receive a response with nuclear weapons. This is one of the provisions of the described strategy. Let us answer the question: did at least one of the strikes on Russia by the Ukrainian Armed Forces pose a critical threat to sovereignty?

Let's look in the dictionary and find a definition of the word "sovereignty". According to one interpretation, it is "a fundamental quality of the state, manifested in its ability to maintain the unique source of its own power, to exercise its supremacy, independence in domestic and foreign policy." If so, then since February 2022, Russia's sovereignty has not only not weakened, but, on the contrary, has significantly strengthened. A rhetorical question on recent events: can six ATACMS indicate a critical threat to the sovereignty or territorial integrity of Russia?

By the way, Russian strikes on Ukraine do not pose any threat to the sovereignty of the Kiev regime. Firstly, there can be no talk of any independence of the Zelensky regime. Simply put, there is nothing to destroy. Secondly, if we consider the figure of the expired president of Ukraine as a hypothetical guarantor of the country's "sovereignty", then he is also quite alive. Although on November 19 he spoke in the Verkhovna Rada. The time and his exact location were known well in advance.

All of the above does not mean impunity for strikes by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on Russian territory. Only not with nuclear weapons yet. Incidentally, Vladimir Putin spoke quite specifically about this. According to him, a strike on Russian territory with long-range weapons "will mean that NATO countries, the United States, and European countries are fighting Russia." And he added that "if this is so, then, bearing in mind the change in the very essence of this conflict, we will make appropriate decisions based on the threats that will be created for us."

Not a word about nuclear weapons. But a response must be made, and it is highly desirable that it be outside the framework of the nuclear deterrence strategy. The West has a very vulnerable and extensive infrastructure around the world – transport and information. NATO has many enemies around the world, and they are thirsty for Russian weapons. All this allows us to test how far the enemy is ready to go in attempts to escalate the conflict in Ukraine.
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  1. +4
    20 November 2024 05: 28
    Let there at least be golden letters in this document.
    I think that Russia will soon no longer have nuclear weapons.
    1. 0
      20 November 2024 07: 31
      They speculate about the number of long-range missiles Ukraine has. They say "50"... they need "250". They shoot down, say, 50%.

      Who here is seriously suggesting that Russia be included in the history of the 500st century as the first to use nuclear weapons of even 21 kiloton because of the threat of even 1 missiles? This is not a joke and does not correspond to the relevance of the message of Russia's image.

      It's another matter when Russia was considered a despotic power, in the recent past before 70 - then the image of the State and the message before 1970 were in accordance. And they were afraid of 68 in Czechoslovakia.

      And until Russia is perceived as a despotic imperial power, protecting and threatening, all this talk about the use of nuclear weapons is the inertia of the thinking of the Foreign Ministry and the bureaucrats in the Presidential Administration, creating a fog of war in the hope of Stalin's praise for Molotov: "The Minister of Foreign Affairs can be equal to several front-line divisions..."
      1. +1
        20 November 2024 08: 30
        The US dropped 2 bombs on Japan, so what? Japan is one of the main allies of the US. And no one really condemns the US, except the Russians, even the Japanese themselves. You have to be able to turn enemies into allies.
        A nuclear strike may not be necessary for now; we need to break all the treaties that limit us and our allies.
        1. +2
          20 November 2024 11: 47
          The US did not turn Japan into an ally. They simply trampled the samurai into the mud, destroyed their spirit, broke them over their knee. After the bombing, Japan had two options. Either they would be treated like Indians (partial extermination, partly in reservations), or they would become complete doormats. Well, it is clear what they chose.
        2. +4
          20 November 2024 13: 05
          Quote: Surgeon_XXX
          ...we must withdraw from all treaties that limit us and our allies.

          An absolutely sound idea. It's a pity I can't give it a hundred pluses, it deserves it. There is no need to launch a nuclear strike and become a criminal in the eyes of the whole world. This is what the West expects from us. We need to withdraw from the START and increase the number of strategic warheads to at least 5 thousand + 5-6 (and preferably more) hundreds of medium-range ones for Britain and France. Let them be in the crosshairs, the threat guaranteed destruction will sharply dampen their ardor.
          1. +7
            20 November 2024 13: 45
            Before the collapse of the USSR, we had about 1600 strategic missiles with warheads from 3 to 10 warheads on each and a five-million-strong army. And no one dared to attack us. Now there are 400 missiles and almost as many warheads. And now even the molecular countries threaten us, and the US with its calculations and its "ATAKAMs" destroy our cities, villages and laugh in our faces.
            We got shame and war, not cookies and lace panties. soldier
            1. +5
              20 November 2024 13: 57
              That's right. And if we hadn't concluded START III under Medvedev, we would have had exactly 3 warheads. I'm absolutely sure that the Americans wouldn't have dared to play with fire, as they do now. But if they had had a thousand medium-range warheads, then Europe would have sat right under their sights and wouldn't have shown up.
        3. man
          0
          21 November 2024 00: 24
          The US dropped 2 bombs on Japan, so what? Japan is one of the main allies of the US. And no one really condemns the US, except the Russians, even the Japanese themselves. You have to be able to turn enemies into allies.
          Great idea! fellow Let's drop a couple of bombs on the US and China and we'll gain such allies that no enemies will be scary to us, except aliens.
          1. +2
            21 November 2024 01: 01
            Quote: mann
            except aliens

            Well, the aliens are already on our side, if you believe the Western media. laughing lol lol
      2. +1
        20 November 2024 11: 51
        Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
        Who here is seriously proposing, because of the threat of even 500 missiles, to include Russia in the history of the 21st century as the first to use nuclear weapons of even 1 kiloton?

        Where is the non-nuclear response to NATO troops shelling Russian territory?
        In the meantime ...
        Time of promise extreme measures: Russia's nuclear deterrence strategy. request
    2. +5
      20 November 2024 08: 41
      Why won't it happen? Where will it go? Please explain.
    3. 0
      26 November 2024 13: 29
      There won't be an extra word in your sentence! In general, it's harmful for you to think!
  2. +37
    20 November 2024 05: 33
    In general, the conclusion is this: hit our cities and villages with whatever you want. We will not answer, we will conduct another reading lesson and that's it.
    1. +14
      20 November 2024 05: 54
      Quote: Dimy4
      We will not answer.

      We will sternly remind our enemies, for the hundredth time, that we have nuclear weapons! angry
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        1. +14
          20 November 2024 07: 34
          Now everyone understands that Gorbachev is in power in Russia.
          1. +8
            20 November 2024 11: 44
            Yes, it is explained popularly. But here it is more like Nikolay the second. In terms of height and indecision
          2. 0
            20 November 2024 21: 16
            Oh, why doesn't our Count Suvorov eat anything...
        2. +12
          20 November 2024 07: 47
          Actually, a marker of real readiness to use nuclear weapons will be a mass evacuation of families of our so-called elite from the West to Russia... Until this happens, all this menacing frowning is complete bullshit. Right now, they've given the beloved guarantor a chance to smash his own bloodlines...
          1. +7
            20 November 2024 08: 39
            evacuation of families of our elite type to Russia from the West

            Probably not to Russia, but somewhere like New Zealand
            1. +10
              20 November 2024 08: 43
              Yeah - that's how they're waiting for them there. They'll be tied up and dispossessed right away. They have nowhere to run except Russia. Even though they themselves haven't realized it yet.

              True - if we ever get a sane leadership, they will definitely dispossess us. Fully and for everything. Apparently - that's why they prefer to sit it out in enemy countries - they fear their native land more.. They know why..
              1. +5
                20 November 2024 08: 48
                I share your dreams of sane leadership.
                And they won't run to Russia, because everyone who is not too lazy will work "backwards" in Russia. It will not be cozy in Russia, even less cozy than now
              2. +4
                20 November 2024 11: 56
                Quote: paul3390
                Yeah - that's how they're waiting for them there. They'll be tied up and dispossessed right away. They have nowhere to run except Russia.


                The point is not whether they will run or not, there or back, but whether they will surrender the country or not, bringing things to a head. After which there may be an act of unprecedented humanism and a gesture of goodwill, especially in response to the ultimatum of the West, which wanted international control over our strategic nuclear forces, in exchange for peace for an exhausted and bloodless Russia. Probably, this is what it was all started for.
                1. +12
                  20 November 2024 12: 28
                  I read the article. I realized that Mr. Pezhe's last breath was composed so cleverly that you can't even fathom in what cases Russia would use nuclear weapons. I admire the Kremlin's cleverness. The bottom line is that Russia agrees to bomb Russian cities, but gentlemen, please, not according to the Kremlin, because then sovereignty will be ruined. So bomb decently. The threats from the SVR are of little significance, because we need to do something so that Trump doesn't get offended.
              3. +2
                20 November 2024 12: 44
                They have nowhere to run except to Russia.
                and what about my native Dubai?...
              4. 0
                20 November 2024 20: 02
                To do this, you need to perform at the train station on a horse-drawn carriage!
          2. +3
            20 November 2024 11: 38
            Quote: paul3390
            In fact, a marker of real readiness to use nuclear weapons will be the mass evacuation of families of our kind of elite from the West to Russia...

            A marker of real readiness will be the closure of embassies and the recall of ambassadors from countries involved in the conflict.
            So far, neither side has voiced such a desire, even in the long term, and therefore all this “ringing on the air” does not evoke any associations other than the hype being whipped up in the media.
            Missiles were fired before November 19 at the generally recognized territory of the Russian Federation, but why this is happening is a question for those who sold the Warsaw Pact for the sake of “unifying” Europe into NATO. wink
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    2. +11
      20 November 2024 07: 53
      As sad as it is to say, but did you really think that it would be different? And then they will start looking for Western agents who are supposedly "rocking the boat" without understanding that they are doing everything themselves, with their own hands... And you don't have to go far for an example - the childfree law is a clear confirmation of my words.
      1. +6
        20 November 2024 08: 19
        As sad as it is to say this, did you really think it would be any different?

        Alas, no, from the very beginning of the SVO I had suspicions that it would not end quickly, the enemy's motivation was strong among the population of all ages. The US and its satellites pumped them up well with hatred towards us.
        1. +2
          20 November 2024 13: 46
          Quote: Dimy4
          The US and its satellites have pumped them up well with hatred towards us.

          ehma!!!
          And motivation... and hatred... they were pumped up by bombings and missile strikes...
    3. +3
      20 November 2024 11: 54
      Quote: Dimy4
      In general, the conclusion is this: hit our cities and villages with whatever you want. We will not answer, we will conduct another reading lesson and that's it.

      The CIA knew who to appoint during Gorboelkin's time. As a result, we have what we deserve.
  3. +12
    20 November 2024 05: 37
    NATO has a lot of enemies all over the world, and they are hungry for Russian weapons.
    Please announce the entire list of enemies, I'm just curious who is thirsty for Russian weapons, when you immediately write in articles that the Russian Armed Forces do not have enough weapons during the SVO.
    1. +2
      20 November 2024 05: 53
      Unfortunately, the volume of Russian weapons sales is significantly decreasing. Instead of selling all over the world, it is better to stock up again. It now takes 5-6 years to produce a reasonable amount of equipment for a war with NATO, so that it would not be embarrassing to take MT-LB and T-55 from the Americans. hi
      1. +4
        20 November 2024 06: 00
        The volume of sales of Russian weapons is growing rapidly.
        So there aren't enough shells for LBS? And where is the list of NATO enemies?
    2. 0
      20 November 2024 11: 56
      Quote: parusnik
      NATO has a lot of enemies all over the world, and they are hungry for Russian weapons.
      Announce the entire list of enemies, I'm just curious who's thirsty for Russian weapons...

      Anyone who wants to push him, to Ukraine.
  4. +33
    20 November 2024 05: 43
    Frankly speaking, I am personally tired of seeing further desperate attempts to scare the West with a nuclear club. 3 years of shouting on TV about dropping a nuclear bomb on the West. Vladimir Rudolfovich has already destroyed every NATO country with an atom 5 or 6 times. A grandfather standing behind a fence and shouting at younger schoolchildren is dangerous only at the beginning. Then the children ignore him because they know it will end in shouting.
    There is a story about what the Russian representative to the UN heard from the Americans after he raised the issue of nuclear weapons - "we know very well how many effective and ready for action missiles and launchers you have." They probably know this firsthand, from the Russian military. They may even receive more reliable information than the great Putin.
    To sum it up, I don't see the evacuation of families of Russian generals and politicians from the countries of the rotten West. That is, the threads from energetic loaves, tomorrow we will play with red markers again. soldier
    1. +11
      20 November 2024 06: 08
      the word "snotty" has taken on new, magical colors...
    2. +2
      20 November 2024 10: 34
      There is a story about what the Russian representative to the UN heard from the Americans after he raised the issue of nuclear weapons: "We know very well how many effective and ready-to-use combat missiles and launchers you have."

      I think our nuclear weapons are fine. They need them to keep China from occupying our territory and resources when NATO starts crushing us in the West. It is inconvenient for the US/UK to keep China with their nuclear weapons, for obvious reasons.
  5. +16
    20 November 2024 05: 52
    Sergey Lavrov urged the West to study the updated Russian nuclear doctrine

    The Armed Forces of Ukraine have already studied the Bryansk region with Atakams
    How is the doctrine?
    1. +17
      20 November 2024 06: 12
      ...how is the doctrine?

      This Lavrov would have done better to give a lecture on the dangers of smoking and alcoholism. It would have been more effective.
    2. +7
      20 November 2024 06: 34
      Quote: Santa Fe
      The Armed Forces of Ukraine have already studied the Bryansk region with Atakams
      How is the doctrine?

      If only it were so. The main object that was hit..... In fact, an attack on a strategic nuclear facility. By the way, how is the Voronezh early warning station doing?
  6. +22
    20 November 2024 05: 57
    And here is the thousand and first explanation why the "red lines" have turned brown again. Shoot, dear Ukrainian partners, with ballistic missiles, according to paragraph X of article X of the "very important document" this is all non-shield. And so we are wow!
    A couple of things remain unclear though.
    1) Why was it necessary to draw these “lines” once again, pretending to be clowns for the amusement of the whole world?
    2) Why was it necessary to constantly shout about nuclear weapons and about how we will turn the whole world into dust?
    1. +11
      20 November 2024 06: 06
      Quote: Belisarius
      Why was it necessary to constantly shout about nuclear weapons?

      You're being beaten up by a gang of thugs, you have a gun in your pocket and you squeal menacingly: I have a gun, I have a gun... sad
      1. +5
        20 November 2024 07: 48
        If a gang of thugs beats you up, you have a gun in your pocket, then it’s not for nothing that they beat you up... And you end up in a hospital bed and they take away the gun along with cash and documents...
        1. -4
          20 November 2024 07: 54
          And if I take out a gun and shoot into the air for starters, I think the thugs will come to their senses...
          And so, without doing anything, it will definitely be according to your scenario....
          1. +6
            20 November 2024 07: 57
            In order to bring the punks to their senses, the gun is taken out immediately, without any ifs..
            1. +4
              20 November 2024 08: 01
              Quote: kor1vet1974
              the barrel comes out right away, without any ifs...

              I agree ! hi Right...
              1. +4
                20 November 2024 09: 52
                What's more, it's applied immediately!
                Otherwise - "And you'll end up in a hospital bed and they'll take away your gun, cash and documents..." (c) laughing
                1. +2
                  20 November 2024 09: 59
                  Quote: vadimtt
                  What's more, it's applied immediately!

                  This does not apply to us....
          2. +3
            20 November 2024 09: 43
            It is required to shoot into the air after failure to follow the command "Stop! I will shoot!"
            This is done like this:
            1) You knock down your opponent with a smoked barrel.
            2) Give the command: "Stop, who goes there!"
            3) Since there are no standing ones left after your shots, you give the command: “Stop, or I’ll shoot!”
            4) Since the deceased did not follow the command, you shoot into the air with a clear conscience.
            1. +1
              20 November 2024 09: 54
              Quote: Victor Leningradets
              shoot into the air with a clear conscience.

              You can do it twice! wink
              1. +2
                20 November 2024 10: 00
                It's funny, but that's exactly how the company commander instructed us when the fugitive recidivist Misha-Shatun, who was in dire need of ammunition for his Kalashnikov, was supposed to kill a sentry in order to seize control, according to the instructions.
                True, we didn’t “smoke” the barrels with a preliminary shot, but he firmly said that the investigation into the murder of this ghoul would be formal, and he really didn’t want to look our mothers in the eye if he turned out to be quicker.
        2. 0
          26 November 2024 14: 09
          Quote: kor1vet1974
          If a gang of thugs beats you up, you have a gun in your pocket, then it’s not for nothing that they beat you up... And you end up in a hospital bed and they take away the gun along with cash and documents...

          You can die from beatings. Or you can shoot in the limbs.
      2. 0
        20 November 2024 21: 19
        If a gang of thugs is approaching, you need to kill them first and not cry, because otherwise they will kill you!
    2. +12
      20 November 2024 06: 39
      In my opinion, it was us who were scared by our nuclear weapons.
      When they quickly removed a couple of our early warning stations, they showed how easy it is to do.
      Now - tactical nuclear weapons. Which require a lot of time to deploy from warehouses, where such an ATAKMS can easily fly in and cause a massive secondary detonation with its debris.
      With the West's complete superiority in intelligence.
    3. +4
      20 November 2024 12: 06
      Quote: Belisarius
      Why were these "lines" needed again?
      PR and ratings, for internal use, for the fact that we need to somehow pretend to be "butting heads" with the West. From helmets and bulletproof vests to missiles at 300 km, then 500-800 km, 1000 and more, until we run out of felt-tip pens and only a "gesture of good will" remains.
  7. +13
    20 November 2024 06: 04
    We need to talk to the patriarch. This is not just a technical issue.
    1. +15
      20 November 2024 06: 33
      Quote: Don Analyst
      We need to talk to the patriarch. This is not just a technical issue.

      Yes, to clarify - will we definitely get to heaven?
      And they - not to heaven? belay
  8. +10
    20 November 2024 06: 28
    By the way, about the equality of Russian regions, I still don't understand why we have different salaries everywhere, for the same positions, I understand the far north, it's more expensive to live there, but everything else doesn't fit in my head, but let's get back to the topic of the article. I won't write anything about nuclear weapons, a lot of spears have been broken, but I will speak out about retaliatory measures. The opponents have many weak points, you can also trivially engage in various friendly exchanges, for example, give a couple of warheads to the DPRK, or one to Iran, the stench throughout the world will be much greater than with its direct use. You can engage in various sabotage and other things without direct damage, but sensitive, but all this requires a strong foreign policy, unfortunately we do not have it ... We can cry on camera, wipe away a tear, remember some historical opus about past greatness, sigh loudly and remind that jokes with us are bad ...
    1. +7
      20 November 2024 07: 30
      Of course, the enemy has weak points. But to respond, you need to have "balls", and that's exactly where the problems lie.
      1. +6
        20 November 2024 10: 56
        you have to have "balls"
        Do you think they don't have any eggs? They have some in foreign banks... They worry about them.
        1. +4
          20 November 2024 11: 07
          I agree, these “eggs” of our “steering wheels” are trapped in foreign banks and are not allowing Russia to move forward.
          1. +3
            20 November 2024 14: 15
            I don't know who you have to be to not be able to pull out your testicles that someone has squeezed and hide them for 10 years. Just like the mice that cried but continued to eat the cactus...
    2. 0
      24 November 2024 08: 38
      It is necessary to lease it, together with old but working missiles and the guidance system. Help the Houthis with the anti-ship missiles and the guidance system. Strike their oil refineries with UAVs from the regions of the USA and Europe. Destroy all the nuclear submarines of France and England.
      What do we have to fear anymore? They are already shooting at us.
  9. +21
    20 November 2024 07: 03
    What an article!
    The author was spinning around like an eel on a frying pan, defending weak-willed blockheads and traitors.
    The result was a fried snake - you can't eat it, and it's disgusting to look at.
    1. +6
      20 November 2024 10: 34
      It was a shame that the minuses for the article were cancelled...
  10. -6
    20 November 2024 07: 05
    Geopolitical mat:
    The game the US played was not unexpected. But the response to this stab in the back must be carried out with surgical precision. Important heads must roll in Ukraine as well as in the West. A pistol with a silencer is always a very reliable friend. Ukraine, USA, EU and NATO have already lost the game. The end game from the side of the losers can be unpredictable. ATACMS can be a decoy. Anglo-Americans always have a plan B. A chemical or terrorist attack is possible. inside Russian soil. Nuclear power plants must be protected. "buffer time" is very important. Buffer time is the period of time between the transfer of political power in the White House.
  11. +6
    20 November 2024 07: 13
    just a quote
    MOSCOW, November 19 - RIA Novosti. Russia's portfolio of US government bonds increased to $25 million in September from $24 million in August, according to US Treasury Department data.
    1. +3
      20 November 2024 09: 55
      Hmm, only up to 25 million in treasuries? That's not even enough for beer for respectable people! Maybe at least in billions?
    2. +3
      20 November 2024 12: 29
      Here it is, "our answer to Chamberlain" for the junk missiles. A lot. laughing
  12. +10
    20 November 2024 07: 21
    The document (doctrine) is strictly for internal use... For the local "hurray-consumer"... For those who advocate and wait for a nuclear strike on Ukraine, for those who are not fascists and philanthropists... Although, if from the highest and highest positions they constantly repeat - "... we are fighting with NATO...", hit NATO and the collective West... But no one will, of course... After all, in their plan, the destruction of Russia, they are playing together and quite successfully... So, when they say - "Everything is according to plan", I believe... They are not lying. sad
  13. BAI
    +4
    20 November 2024 07: 53
    Nobody expects a nuclear response according to the doctrine. It is clear that there will be none, the document is not about that. Everyone expects a response according to the statement - a missile strike means direct participation of NATO countries in the conflict
  14. +5
    20 November 2024 07: 55
    The West has a very vulnerable and extensive infrastructure throughout the world – transport and information.
    Is this a proposal to bomb bridges over the Thames, Seine, Danube, Vistula, etc. and shoot down a couple of European satellites? laughing
  15. +17
    20 November 2024 09: 04
    All these changes of doctrines etc. are no longer perceived as something serious, but as another Skabeeva episode. Especially after the lies of the authorities, starting with the retirement age and VAT, going through zeroing out through the change of the constitution, and ending with the mobilization that does not exist, red lines that are dotted and lost sets of equipment and the degradation of Google servers, on which YouTube works.
    It’s just that some of those reading are still in the bargaining stage, some are in the depression stage, but the majority, it seems to me, have already moved to the stage of acceptance that things won’t get better.
  16. +11
    20 November 2024 09: 05
    "As a result of the anti-missile battle, combat crews of the S-400 and Pantsir air defense missile systems shot down five missiles and damaged one. Its fragments fell on the technical territory of a military facility in the Bryansk region, causing a fire that was quickly extinguished." For some reason, fragments of damaged missiles and drones constantly fall right on target. Do these fragments have homing? Or should we just stop lying?
    1. +5
      20 November 2024 09: 58
      Well, if the hit is too late, especially if there is no warhead detonation or a sharp deterioration in aerodynamics, the ballistic missile still retains its destructive capability, that’s why it’s ballistic.
    2. BAI
      0
      20 November 2024 13: 16
      A ballistic missile is ballistic because it flies like a boulder to the target - wherever it was aimed. Damaged or not. It simply falls on the target.
      A drone, if on autopilot, has entered the final section on a combat course - the same boulder, is not going to change anything in its flight path and also falls on the target.
      To prevent debris from falling on the object, targets must be shot down on the approaches to the object, not above it. And the Pantsir is a close combat weapon
  17. +15
    20 November 2024 09: 05
    The West has a very vulnerable and extensive infrastructure throughout the world – transport and information.

    Ok, I completely agree about nuclear strikes, no one needs them. Everyone wants to live. And, it is very desirable, not in an underground bunker without blackjack and whores.
    Maybe, as a non-nuclear response, we should at least stop supplying energy resources? And throw a billion dollars at Ukraine for transit for the war? After all, it's just turning off the tap, right?
    Well, that's just nonsense, of course. Putin's falcons - the Alekperovs, Sechins and other Millers - won't be happy.
    1. +7
      20 November 2024 11: 00
      Maybe as a non-nuclear response

      Stop supplying uranium to the US? wink For a start
      1. +3
        20 November 2024 12: 18
        Quote: kor1vet1974
        Stop supplying uranium to the US? For starters

        There's some fun there too. As with all other negotiated matters.
        The US refused our uranium back in the spring, but "if it's not deep, it's not considered treason"
        In the spring, Biden signed a law banning imports of Russian uranium, with the provision for continued supplies in certain cases until 2028. Now, in response to previous sanctions, Russia itself has banned uranium exports to the United States.

        https://www.rbc.ru/politics/15/11/2024/673762c99a7947235c27a7c7
        Six months later, we also banned deliveries on our part, but with the same reservations about not being deep))
        https://www.forbes.ru/biznes/525346-embargo-s-lazejkami-zacem-rossia-vvela-nestrogij-zapret-na-postavki-urana-v-ssa
        Embargo with loopholes: why Russia imposed a soft ban on uranium supplies to the US
    2. +9
      20 November 2024 12: 31
      "It's just a matter of turning on a tap, isn't it?"
      You, that is, let's not rock the galley, otherwise the rats on it will get sick. And we have an article in the Criminal Code for cruel treatment of animals. Yes laughing
  18. +11
    20 November 2024 09: 33
    The author transferred the deception of the authorities into his article and tried to justify it.
    Did not work out.
    Deception consists of substituting one concept for another.
    The US/Great Britain, in the absence of a nuclear threat, calmly prepared a war to destroy Russia and even created on our territory a key bridgehead for NATO to seize the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant under the flag of the Ukrainian Armed Forces at the very beginning.
    There will be war too.
    The deception is that nuclear weapons used to prevent an enemy from attacking are not retaliation for an attack, which must be proportionate, but a threat.
    Proportionality in a threat is stupid by definition. The whole purpose of a threat is to reliably stop the enemy's plans and prevent war.
    This is what the USSR did, maintaining the confidence in its enemies that any attack on its territory, aircraft or ship would lead to the start of a nuclear war.
    For this reason, not a single bomb or missile has fallen on its territory since it acquired nuclear weapons.
    The question is: why doesn’t the government want to do the same?
    The answer is simple - it has been a colonial administration of the enemy since 1991 and is forced to create the illusion of action for the people to defend themselves from their masters.
    1. 0
      20 November 2024 15: 25
      You are probably not entirely aware that incidents with bombs and missiles on Soviet territory happened regularly, and their presence did not prevent China from attacking the USSR.
      1. +1
        20 November 2024 15: 37
        Don't lie. I lived in the USSR since the end of the 50s and have never seen anything like that. Damansky is a special case.
        1. -1
          20 November 2024 15: 38
          What is the lie that nuclear weapons appeared in 1949 in the USSR, and not in the late 50s, and what is the difference with Domansky?
          1. 0
            20 November 2024 15: 49
            You are not quite aware, perhaps incidents happened regularly with bombs and missiles on Soviet territory.

            Bring these incidents and compare them with the incidents that are happening now.
            Damansky had nothing to do with the weakness of the USSR. No superpower is immune from such an absurd act.
            1. -1
              20 November 2024 15: 51
              Yes, please, the presence of nuclear weapons did not prevent the Americans from supplying the dushmans with everything they needed, just as it did not prevent the USSR from supplying the Vietnamese with everything they needed.
              1. +1
                20 November 2024 15: 53
                incidents occurred regularly with bombs and missiles on Soviet territory

                What does Afghanistan and Vietnam have to do with it? Are these Soviet territories?
                Did our nuclear umbrella extend to them?
                1. 0
                  20 November 2024 15: 56
                  In the same way, weapons from different countries killed Soviet soldiers, foreign specialists participated as well as now and no one was afraid of a nuclear war.
                  1. -1
                    20 November 2024 16: 00
                    Trying to fit an owl onto a globe is not easy and is counterproductive.
                    Are there really no more useful things to do?
  19. +2
    20 November 2024 10: 22
    Quote: Sunwenmin
    Why won't it happen? Where will it go? Please explain.

    New citizens from Asia are diligently populating the Russian Federation.
    It's just a matter of time before the button goes to them.
    The main thing here is that Putin is in office from 2030, and this is good for both the US and the replacement population of the Russian Federation.
    1. +3
      20 November 2024 10: 26
      The weapons won't go anywhere in this scenario, they'll just change owners. Even the country probably won't change its name, perhaps unnoticed, to some Russian caliphate. bully
  20. 0
    20 November 2024 10: 28
    Quote: Sunwenmin
    The weapons won't go anywhere in this scenario, they'll just change owners. Even the country probably won't change its name, perhaps unnoticed, to some Russian caliphate. bully

    Well... sort of... They (the authorities) are diligently handing out citizenship to ISIS.
  21. +4
    20 November 2024 10: 45
    That's the problem with our leadership, they act too much like gentlemen, following every letter and every comma of all the laws and decrees. But that doesn't happen in a fight. It's either you or them. If our leadership were bolder and more brazen, the West would be afraid to raise the level of tension, realizing that anything can be expected from these reckless Russians and that they should keep their distance. But what we have is what we have. Even if these missiles fall where they should, our guys will again look for points in the law as an excuse.
  22. +6
    20 November 2024 11: 16
    The principles of the Russian Federation's state policy in the area of ​​nuclear deterrence will not have any practical impact on the course of the war.
    No one fell on the Russian Federation, including Ukraine.
    Formally, the Russian Federation is not at war with anyone, but it is conducting a military operation in Ukraine. The difference between a war and a military operation is fundamental.
    NATO will not send its troops to Ukraine, and if it does, it will be after a separate deal and under the guise of UN peacekeeping forces.
    It is difficult to call the supply of weapons direct participation in the war - the USSR supplied weapons to North Vietnam, but no one threatened it with a nuclear strike for this.
    NATA has provided the Armed Forces of Ukraine with intelligence information, and will continue to do so.
    Weapons will be supplied as they were, including ballistic missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles, including those with AI. This will be worse than Atakams, Shadles and Scalps - they are cheaper, an air defense missile is more expensive than a cheap drone, and they fly further than 300 km and only Germany promised to supply 4 thousand units.
    If the Russian Federation had the goal of denationalizing and demilitarizing Ukraine, the first thing it would do would be to strike at the military and civil administration bodies, and then block the border crossings through which weapons are supplied, communications hubs, transport and other infrastructure in order to deprive the Ukrainian Armed Forces of maneuver. In general, the academics of the General Staff know what and how to do, but they don’t do it – why?
  23. +6
    20 November 2024 11: 21
    Sir, Author, Your article advocates inaction.
  24. +7
    20 November 2024 12: 17
    The author's article is an excuse for the toothlessness and inability of the Kremlin authorities to respond.
  25. +3
    20 November 2024 12: 22
    All this is basically bullshit, IMHO.
    Is the Ukrainian Armed Forces using Western weapons? It is. Directly on the newly included territories, which were included without being liberated? Yes. And for a long time. Small arms, ATGMs, cars, fuel, clothing, generators, etc.

    Are the Russian Armed Forces using non-Russian weapons against Ukraine? Yes, they are. Iranian, Korean, possibly Belarusian. And other small ones, like the Chechen Teslas with machine guns that Kadyrov bragged about.
    Does it operate from the territories of other countries? Yes. The press has reported on multiple missile launches at Ukraine from the territory of Belarus.

    And no one has officially threatened nuclear strikes for this. Neither against Iran, nor against Korea, nor against Belarus and the rest.
    Here, IMHO, it looks more like - scare your own so that strangers are afraid.

    It is significant that during the SVO not a single full-fledged oligarch, not a single important official suffered. Only Courchevel was replaced by Arabs...

    So, to scare nuclear weapons for banal SVO BDs... is not good (politely). It's somehow inadequate.
  26. +2
    20 November 2024 13: 49
    Quote: paul3390
    ...if we ever get a sane leadership, they will definitely dispossess us. Fully and for everything. Apparently - that's why they prefer to sit it out in enemy countries - they fear their native land more...

    Well, they are right to be afraid. There they will only dispossess the kulaks, but here they can easily
    treatment
    send to sunny Magadan, or even worse. We have such attacks in history all the time. It seems like nothing, and then bam and 1917/37, etc.
  27. -1
    20 November 2024 13: 52
    Having read most of the comments, I realized that our people believe in some kind of miracle, some kind of iron grip and a powerful fist hitting the table, but you cannot understand that the lack of escalation on our part by force is not because we do not want to, it is because there is no money. No one was prepared for such a turn of events and the forced long-term game is also not from a good life, these are the rules imposed by our opponents.
    1. +1
      20 November 2024 15: 33
      These are rules imposed by our opponents.

      Opponents in what? In the fact that they are going to destroy us?
      So the authorities don't really bother them.
      Opponents in creating illusions among the people? Here they sing in unison with the authorities.
      Putin even calls them partners.
      Where did you find your opponents?
      There are none of them.
      There are killers who are ready to kill us.
      It is. There is nothing to say.
    2. -1
      20 November 2024 15: 43
      It's not because we don't want to, it's because we don't have money

      Money, that is. There are not enough necessary modern production and scientific-technical capabilities. We are fighting on the basis of obsolete Soviet developments and even then there is not enough equipment.
      1. 0
        21 November 2024 14: 10
        Decree of the President of 13.05.2017 on the creation of strategic reserves to guarantee the provision of mobilization needs
  28. -2
    20 November 2024 15: 39
    Let us answer the question: at least one of the attacks on Russia by the Ukrainian Armed Forces posed a critical threat to sovereignty.
    But it is necessary to respond, and it is highly desirable, outside the framework of the nuclear deterrence strategy.


    First, about critical sovereignty. It seems that such strikes do not pose a threat. And if this continues, say, for 5-10 years, then: the economy will collapse from a long war and that is for sure, the irreparable losses of fighters at the front now called SVO will be over a million. Russia will then turn into Upper Volta with nuclear weapons and an embittered, hungry population. Then there will be a revolution and the current rulers in ULAG-2.
    And how to answer: ??? Who will say? You can bomb with missiles for a long time and turn Ukraine into a desert. But, is that long? See above, what's with "long".
    Or we could start with nuclear escalation. Start with test strikes on Ukraine at targets that do not pose a threat of large civilian casualties. Or with warning the population about an upcoming nuclear strike, which Israel sometimes does in its war with the Arabs. So, they warned the people of Kiev that, say, a nuclear strike is possible after the 25th. Those who did not leave are accomplices of the Kyiv regime, well... okay, get it, if suddenly.
    1. -2
      20 November 2024 16: 02
      A nuclear strike on Ukraine will still poison the water supply from which you and your neighbor get water to spite your neighbor; both of you will suffer.
      1. -2
        20 November 2024 18: 43
        In fact, the main rivers of the left bank that flow into the Dnieper originate in Russia. So we are not threatened by radioactive contamination. And, by the way, Chernobyl is practically on the Dnieper (the mouth of the Pripyat). The reactor explosion brought colossal radioactive contamination. And, no matter, Kyiv lives, although it is only 100 km from the nuclear power plant. Although ... ... maybe the brains of Ukrainians really suffered from Chernobyl. Offering natural resources to the NATO bloc for victory ... ... , and where is independence then?
  29. -1
    20 November 2024 16: 45
    Probably the SVO will end soon, the RF will declare victory, having accepted the ultimatum of the West. Then the period of internal transformation and change of elites will begin.
    1. +2
      20 November 2024 16: 49
      Quote: TanSan
      Russia will declare victory by accepting the West's ultimatum.

      How can you declare your surrender a victory?
      1. -1
        20 November 2024 21: 04
        Well, the retreat was declared a regrouping. Well, we have no problems with the correct explanation.
  30. +6
    20 November 2024 17: 03
    Quote: guest
    Quote: TanSan
    Russia will declare victory by accepting the West's ultimatum.

    How can you declare your surrender a victory?

    Just as long-term degradation was declared as an achievement.
  31. -1
    20 November 2024 17: 18
    TYAO for ATACMS

    SURE Yes
    IT'S TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! feel good
  32. 0
    20 November 2024 19: 13
    Good doctrine. Correct. One point is missing - a certificate from a urologist for the decision maker.
  33. DO
    0
    20 November 2024 20: 48
    The West has not been afraid of Russian words for a long time. But it closely watches Russia's ACTIONS.
    Personally, I don't quite understand why there is so much talk and noise around nuclear weapons? After all, nuclear weapons are just a powerful strike weapon in combat. By using nuclear weapons, one can cause great damage to the enemy, but by itself, it does not ensure military victory.

    For example, Japan probably didn't capitulate in WWII because the Americans burned two small Japanese towns with nuclear bombs. Wikipedia says that Japan's total losses in WWII were 2,5 million people. While
    "The number of people killed by the direct impact of the explosion was between 70 and 80. By the end of 1945, due to radioactive contamination and other delayed effects of the explosion, the total number of people killed was between 90 and 166. After 5 years, the total number of people killed, taking into account those who died from cancer and other long-term effects of the explosion, could have reached or even exceeded 200."
    That is, the nuclear bombing was just the "last straw" against the backdrop of the Allied forces' advance, a way for the Japanese leadership to somehow save face. They say, we surrendered not because the enemy infantry was about to arrest us, but because of the inhumane nuclear bombing by the USA.

    The infantry asserts military victory. However, infantrymen are unlikely to enjoy breaking through territory that has just been subjected to a nuclear strike, thereby becoming disabled. The use of Russian TNW against an enemy navy launching missile strikes on Russian territory is another matter. After all, nothing but TNW can guarantee that a superior enemy fleet will be quickly and easily disabled.
    1. -2
      20 November 2024 22: 39
      Military victory is claimed by the infantry. However, infantrymen are unlikely to enjoy breaking through territory that has just been subjected to a nuclear strike, while becoming disabled.

      There are still targets for using nuclear weapons. For example: airfields, bridges and military facilities outside populated areas. For example: in the summer of 2023, the enemy in the south carried out a counteroffensive. At the same time, there was a fairly dense concentration of Ukrainian Armed Forces troops on the line itself and in the rear. Russian Aerospace Forces aviation played an important role in repelling the offensive, but they still managed to bend the line. Some of our soldiers were captured. And if instead of aircraft, TNW had been used against the concentration sites, the result would have been much better.
      1. DO
        0
        21 November 2024 02: 16
        Quote: Alexey Lantukh
        At the same time, there was a fairly dense concentration of Ukrainian Armed Forces troops. on the line itself and in the rear. (...) And if instead of aircraft, tactical nuclear weapons had been used at the concentration sites, the result would have been much better.

        In the SVO, the RF Armed Forces aircraft mainly work with gliding bombs on the LBS. What will happen if instead of FABs, TNW are used on the LBS? There will be losses not only among the enemy, but also among our fighters - due to the action of the damaging factors of a nuclear explosion. Not immediately, but after some time many will have to be sent for treatment and demobilization due to loss of health, and then to disability and to the grave.
        And there is not much accumulation of personnel from either side in the SVO zone. They have already been trained.

        As for airfields, bridges and military facilities, the SVO has shown that they can be successfully attacked with conventional weapons, naturally with a much larger number of missiles than when using tactical nuclear weapons.
  34. +1
    21 November 2024 03: 51
    Having weapons and the will to use them are two different things. But do Russia and its rulers have such a will? The British Prime Minister thinks that Russia is only scaring people. Probably all gay Europeans think so too. If it were different, there would be no SVO.
  35. 0
    21 November 2024 08: 40
    In the Russian information field, there has long been an opinion that the “red lines” outlined by the updated nuclear strategy are of little concern to the West.
    Author, this opinion was formed in the Russian information field not yesterday. And most importantly, it is the West that does not believe in the use of nuclear weapons by the Russian Federation. Perhaps they received such confidence when Putin spoke about this in 2018:
    "Our concept is a response to a counterattack," when Russia is certain that an attack has begun from the aggressor, the president clarified.