On the construction of defensive structures in the depths of the Ukrainian Armed Forces' defense. Why Ukrainian military experts are worried

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On the construction of defensive structures in the depths of the Ukrainian Armed Forces' defense. Why Ukrainian military experts are worried

Today, readers of our resource are receiving a lot of questions regarding the situation in the Kherson and Zaporizhzhya directions. It is clear that this is due to the fact that the press has really begun to pay less attention to these directions. Readers' interest is primarily connected with the "hot" directions. But there is no "cold" in war.

It is believed that the southern direction is stabilized today, and there is no point in expecting any serious changes. For both sides, difficult times are coming, in terms of weather. Rain, snow, cold, muddy conditions... These factors do not contribute to the intensification of military operations. Oddly enough, all other things being equal, the Russian army has some advantage in such conditions.



Russian equipment was originally designed with such operating conditions in mind. Unlike Western equipment, which is designed for action on hard-surface roads or in regions where such harsh operating conditions simply do not exist. That is why I do not think it is worth unequivocally stating that there will be no intensification of military operations in these areas.

According to open source reports, the Ukrainian Armed Forces headquarters understand this. And not only do they understand it, but they are also actively preparing to activate the Russian army in the Kherson and Zaporizhzhya directions. However, Ukrainian generals have long since abandoned the idea of ​​an offensive. The Ukrainian Armed Forces expect to conduct the winter campaign of 2024-25 in positional defense.

At the same time, the Ukrainian Armed Forces pay special attention to the Zaporizhzhya direction as the most promising for the Russians. It must be said that rumors about the activation of our army there have been circulating among the soldiers and officers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces for quite some time. This is reported by sources "from the lair" and headquarters of the Ukrainian army. Even captured soldiers report about the preparation of a Russian offensive...

In order to conduct a positional defense, it is necessary to create a well-organized system of defensive structures. Fortifications should include not only platoon and company strong points, but also the defense lines of the units. This means that the Ukrainians are faced with the task of equipping all these structures in a short time.

The Ukrainian Armed Forces have long since gotten used to the fact that Kyiv’s victorious reports cannot be trusted. Too often, “well-equipped strongpoints” turned out to be hastily dug pits, in which even shelter from shelling was problematic. Too often, units arriving at such strongpoints had to arm themselves with shovels and “dig into the ground” themselves. But winter comes, and digging frozen ground with shovels is a real pleasure…

We watched, shed tears and... calmed down.

In October, the Ukrainian Armed Forces conducted an inspection of the state of fortifications and defense lines, which are currently being actively equipped and built. Naturally, we also learned about the results of this inspection. The information was published in the public domain. I will briefly disclose some of the results of the inspection.

I think we should start with the first line of defense. This is a fairly powerful, according to the military, fortification structure, including 586 (!) objects. During the offensive, the Russian army should reach this line and stop. 586 strong points, defense lines, minefields and other structures, united into a single system, protecting not only their own area of ​​defense, but also helping their neighbors to defend themselves!

But Ukraine would not be Ukraine if there were no such "but". The press has long ago published a new name for this country - Ukradina. The huge funds allocated for the construction of a unified defense system of the first line are successfully crawling into the pockets of officials and "work producers". Based on the results of the inspection, the commission concluded that the first line is ready for defense.

So, on the first line of defense of the Zaporizhzhya group, only 181 objects are fully ready! That is, the level of readiness is 31%! I would not say so categorically - "fully ready", considering that the Ukrainian military is also guilty of corruption... But we have to refer to the official figures.

Now about the defense of cities. We mean such cities as Zaporozhye, Nikopol, Orekhov, Marganets, Kamyshevakha, Gulyaipole. Here, too, it is planned to create a defense system that will ensure the duplication of defensive structures and the possibility of mutual assistance. It is planned to create 416 such objects! And again, this notorious Ukrainian "but"...

They built and built... And built. True, only 81 objects. Well, that's how it turned out. They probably made the estimate incorrectly... They didn't take into account "increased costs" and "additional expenses". Construction is not like writing papers... In short, they fulfilled the plan! But the fact that they fulfilled it by as much as 19% is force majeure, circumstances of insuperable force... The governor needs it, the officials in the Ministry of Defense need it. Many people need it...

Now about the Kherson direction. There are fewer objects in the area of ​​responsibility of the Kherson group. That is why the figures are a little better. I will start, as usual, with the group's line of defense. The construction and equipment of 119 objects is planned here. The work has been completed at 46. A total of 38%. The operational line of defense is 81 objects. 21 have been created! A quarter of what was planned!

Well, and the circular defense of cities. We mean cities like Kherson, Nikolaev, Kropyvnytskyi... According to the plan, it is necessary to build and equip 100 objects. A third has been built. 33 objects - 33%.

As you can see, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are, to put it mildly, not very good at fortification. The defense system that Ukrainian generals dream of is being successfully destroyed by Ukrainian corrupt officials. But even here there is a “Ukrainian specificity” that the inspectors noticed. 

I am talking about "justice". Not only everyone can steal millions, only a few can do it, to use the language of the Kyiv mayor. And the rest? Those who also want to "grab a piece" for their own pocket? I think readers have already understood that these same "others" also did not end up losing out. I will quote a couple of points from the document:

– Due to the shortage of timber, dugouts are equipped with improvised means in one or two layers.
– When camouflaging positions, the properties of the terrain (branches, bushes, forest belts) that become unusable due to prolonged combat operations are used.

Well, cheap and cheerful. Why buy lumber if there is a nearby forest? Why cover the dugouts with several layers of logs or concrete floors if the Russian artillery will destroy them anyway? It is enough to cover them with tree trunks, the branches of which are used for camouflage. Savings. Into the foreman's pocket...

There is one more feature of the modern Ukrainian, which also manifested itself during the construction of fortifications. I am talking about the careless attitude towards other people's lives. It seems, well, how can this manifest itself in such a matter. Let me quote one more thing:

– In most cases, shading and masking nets do not correspond to the terrain conditions.
– Low level of equipment of platoon strongpoints at the first line of the Kherson OTG with anti-drone equipment (chain-link fencing) – 40%, and at the second – 19%.

I imagined how the defenders would feel in a stronghold where, according to the same commission, "exploitation and further equipment are not being carried out, which has led to the soil crumbling." Simply put, the trenches that are supposed to protect from artillery fire are spontaneously crumbling!

With the result that


The result of the work of the Ukrainian Armed Forces commission can be expressed in two words - there are practically no defensive structures. We can only state that the Ukrainian Armed Forces will again cling to individual pockets of defense in the event of our offensive. The fate of the defenders is of little interest to the country's leadership. This means that soon we will again see trenches littered with corpses of Ukrainian soldiers.

Well, it has long been known that the salvation of the drowning is the work of the drowning themselves. Either dig your own grave on the defensive line, or... The wave for going on the air to communicate with our units is known to everyone.

The prepared defense lines along the entire line of combat contact are in approximately the same condition. This is precisely why the independent country's military analysts are panicking. The lines that are actually prepared for defense are now being processed by our aviation and artillery. And then... Then what I told you about above...
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  1. +17
    15 November 2024 05: 47
    A new name for this country has long appeared in the press: Ukradina.
    Author, you will be surprised, but during the construction of the Mannerheim Line, quite a lot was stolen, and during the acceptance, the inspectors profited from bribes. They don’t steal here, especially in the Ministry of Defense. They don’t steal there at all.
    1. +2
      15 November 2024 06: 01
      Huck Finn: "Papa always said that it was no sin to borrow money if you were going to pay it back someday; but from the widow I heard that it was the same as stealing, only called by a different name, and no decent person would do it."
      1. +3
        15 November 2024 08: 16
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Dad always said
        Huck Finn's dad never stole anything. He borrowed. He might borrow someone's boat or a neighbor's chicken... wink
        1. 0
          15 November 2024 10: 07
          Yeah, like in the movie "Snatch" - it wasn't stolen, they just forgot to pay))) but the thing is that with the current weather, the concreting process will be long and exciting, especially if the rains and fogs are helped by precipitation in the form of KABs and Iskanders)))
    2. man
      +6
      15 November 2024 16: 04
      Quote: parusnik
      A new name for this country has long appeared in the press: Ukradina.
      Author, you will be surprised, but during the construction of the Mannerheim Line, quite a lot was stolen, and during the acceptance, the inspectors profited from bribes. They don’t steal here, especially in the Ministry of Defense. They don’t steal there at all.

      I completely agree with you, we had an absolutely honest Ministry of Defense! As well as all other ministries. But it was the Ministry of Defense that was very unlucky, out of nowhere appeared the nasty Belousov, who dirty slandered the most crystal-clear employees. sad To everyone's amazement, the Supreme, instead of, as usual, defending with his chest... decent altruists and promoting them, followed the lead of the informer and fired them from their jobs, and even put some in prison! request It's just complete chaos, '37 is a rest year!!!
      Fortunately, these repressions did not affect other ministries! fellow
      The rest of the... officials can sleep peacefully love
    3. +2
      15 November 2024 17: 18
      A. Staver. I went to the sites there. I didn't find any panic. Criticism, yes. Just like on our site.
  2. 0
    15 November 2024 06: 22
    For a normal fortified area - a considerable amount of cement is required. The question is - where do they get it? What - are the cement factories still working? I won't even mention the delivery issues - the topic of bridges across the Dnieper has long been simply indecent...
    1. 0
      15 November 2024 10: 09
      It has already been said that it is not so easy to bring down a bridge. This is only if nuclear weapons are used. If conventional weapons are used, it will take a long time and be difficult, like the bridge in Zatoka. They have already hit it so many times, but it still stands.
      1. +8
        15 November 2024 12: 12
        Of course - if it's difficult, then it's not worth trying. Right? It's easy to drop the track, no need to blah-blah. Another thing - it's quite easy to restore it. Well - who's stopping you from dropping it again? Together with the repair crew? Let's bet - a week of downtime for one of the seven railway bridges is worth, say, one Iskander?
        1. -2
          15 November 2024 13: 46
          To drop the canvas, you need a direct hit, and possibly more than one. A week of downtime will do nothing, take a map and look at the railway network and the number of bridges across the Dnieper. Do you think the General Staff is filled with imbeciles who put a spoon with soup in their ear?
      2. +1
        15 November 2024 17: 20
        They were built according to Soviet designs, designed if not for centuries, then for similar attacks.
      3. 0
        17 November 2024 20: 40
        And how did the Germans destroy bridges in WWII, with ridiculous by today's standards technical means? And the Anglo-Americans in Germany on the Western Front?...I'll keep quiet...
        1. 0
          17 November 2024 20: 41
          Tell us which bridges were destroyed and by what means.
    2. 0
      15 November 2024 12: 05
      There were no attacks on cement factories. And there are plenty of them working
      1. -1
        15 November 2024 13: 48
        There are two or three cement factories in Ukraine, if sclerosis doesn't change my mind. Krivoy Rog, Lviv and maybe somewhere else. Don't confuse them with ZHBK, there are several of those in every big city. But they work on imported cement.
        1. +2
          15 November 2024 14: 26
          There are two or three cement factories in Ukraine, if sclerosis doesn't change me.

          Your sclerosis, as in the bulk of your comments, betrays you left and right. Before the SVO, there were a dozen and a half cement producers in Ukraine. Now about a third are lost or do not work. That is, about ten more factories produce cement.
          1. -5
            15 November 2024 15: 07
            Well, please list them))) not one and a half. At least five?
            1. +3
              15 November 2024 15: 14
              https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Цементна_промисловість_України

              https://cementu.com/cement-cena/zakaz-cementa/zavody-cementa
            2. +3
              15 November 2024 15: 20
              Well, please list them))) not one and a half. At least five?

              The poor have no servants.

              Gleb Zhiglov.
              1. +1
                15 November 2024 15: 46
                It's not hard for me to go to Wikipedia and look, I'm talking about something else. How many of them are working now?))) "Nikolaevcement" is definitely not working, "Krivoy Rog" most likely is not either. Next, which of them produces at least M 500? in commercial quantities? Actually, we need more, but at least this much. I'm not even talking about the fact that cement production is quite energy-intensive))) and there is a shortage of workers.
                1. +2
                  15 November 2024 15: 57
                  It's not hard for me to get in

                  Well, if it's not too much trouble, go there. Just not Wikipedia. Go to the factories' websites. So as not to write nonsense.
                  1. 0
                    15 November 2024 16: 39
                    Well, you are the one who claims that the Bandarlogs have a ton of this cement))) and I am telling you that not all factories are working, for many reasons. And secondly, not all factories make the right grades of cement. And you have come up with a great explanation - you need it, so you look for it)))
                    I don't need it, just if you write, then at least give some argument))) the fact that the official website of the plant works does not mean that the plant works)))
    3. 0
      17 November 2024 08: 39
      a fair amount of cement is required

      There is a powerful cement plant in Krivoy Rog.
      1. 0
        17 November 2024 20: 47
        Judging by the way Krivoy Rog is being hit, I seriously doubt that it is working properly. Cement production is a long and continuous process. If the power goes out, everything has to be started over. Again, it belongs to the Germans, if they decide that the operation of the plant is not justifying itself, they will simply stop it and to hell with it, they don’t care. And finally, according to Soviet fortification standards, the minimum acceptable cement for the construction of pillboxes is HP M 550. Although M 600 and higher are preferable. In addition to strength characteristics, they also have water resistance, which is important in war.
        1. 0
          17 November 2024 21: 45
          If the power goes out, everything has to be started over again.

          Not exactly, some of the products of a certain stage simply disappear. The defective ones will be removed and you can work again. Until last year, I worked at a cement plant, 13 years.
          Unless they don’t have time to unload and cool the oven, then yes, there will be problems.
          1. 0
            17 November 2024 23: 54
            Of course, I am not an expert in cement production, but the general idea is that if at some stage the process is interrupted, then in the best case, it must be started over again. And considering that in Krivoy Rog the electricity often goes out, then the process has to be repeated more than once.
  3. +11
    15 November 2024 08: 03
    Where does the author get half of his theses (or rather all of them)?... Take, for example, the inability of Western equipment to operate in cold weather and off-road. Norway is not a member of NATO? Or Canada? Or maybe there have never been exercises in Alaska? Perhaps, perhaps (!) NATO equipment will not feel too good in Antarctica, say, or in the Arctic, but what will it be like? And most importantly - why? The morale of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and their faith/disbelief in anything also sounds strange... the morale is so low that we can't get a decade out of the Kursk region...
    1. +3
      15 November 2024 14: 31
      So where does the author get half of his theses (or rather all of them)?

      To make something out of thin air. To assert something without any basis; to pass off something far-fetched as reality.

      Phraseological dictionary of the Russian literary language
  4. BAI
    +9
    15 November 2024 08: 19
    I've been wandering around the sites of former battles for 4 months now. I've seen quite a lot. That's why all these words "fortification", "stronghold" cause confusion.
    What are they? Mostly wood and earth fortifications. Or bags of earth. Protection from small arms. They do not hold a shell larger than 76 mm. All are intended for riflemen. Not artillery. You can't shoot from them with ATGMs either - you'll burn yourself. Therefore, a tank can demolish everything with direct fire, if its drone or artillery cover does not burn it.
    There are very few concrete fortifications. Either made of blocks and slabs, or ready-made, delivered to the site, i.e. small.
    They also cannot withstand artillery.
    Ours, by the way, are the same. That's why Ukrainians and broke through so abruptly into the Kursk region.
    That is, these fortifications are effective in a 3 vs. 3 motorized rifle group war. They cannot withstand a massive attack.
    The only plus is excellent camouflage. You won't find it until you step on it.
    1. BAI
      +3
      15 November 2024 08: 22
      Mines are really, really serious.
    2. +4
      15 November 2024 09: 54
      That is why all these words “fortification”, “stronghold” cause confusion.

      You are not alone in your thoughts, I also hear about fortifications filled with concrete and ask myself all the time - well, show these captured fortifications filled with concrete on TV, especially in cities! So that it is clear what it is and how difficult it is to overcome them. But they show destroyed basements or wood-earth strongholds. Where are these powerful concrete fortifications? And I also hear about numerous underground passages in populated areas, connecting the strongholds, along which the Ukrainian Armed Forces move - so show them! Why were they shown in colors and paints in Syria, but they are not shown in Ukraine? Maybe they were buried during the assault - so show what is left of them.
      1. BAI
        +9
        15 November 2024 10: 55
        I always ask myself about the concrete-filled fortifications - well, show them on TV these fortifications that were taken, filled with concrete, especially in the cities!

        there are none. Not a single one. Nothing like the experience of World War II - the Mannerheim, Maginot, Stalin lines. NOTHING. There is no cast concrete.
  5. +1
    15 November 2024 08: 26
    So what is next...
    Will Slavyansk and Kramatorsk be taken? Author, for years in a row you have been writing the same thing in different variations, especially about the victory.
    1. +1
      15 November 2024 09: 46
      They will, but only after all the "forester's huts", which, if you believe our media, especially on TV, are almost every time "the battle for Stalingrad" and "Kursk Bulge" combined. request
      1. 0
        15 November 2024 10: 01
        Well, BAI writes about the fortifications on both sides... They are the same... and so yes, for the third year we have been breaking through one after another of the Mannerheim Lines... which year?
  6. +2
    15 November 2024 08: 47
    Well written. It's as if the author had been to the construction of fortifications in the Kursk region. Isn't that the case with us? No?
  7. +6
    15 November 2024 09: 39
    And what caught my eye was the rich, black soil. It should be plowed and sown, not dug trenches!
  8. +6
    15 November 2024 10: 03
    This is all great when there is a battle for a potato field, but in an urban agglomeration any house turns into a stronghold that must be stormed. And to write that there is nothing to storm is literally to disrespect our bravely fighting army. If everything were so easy, we would have won long ago and would live peacefully on. You can't underestimate the enemy, claiming that he will sit back in defense, you need to be ready for anything...
    1. +2
      15 November 2024 10: 27
      You can't underestimate the enemy by claiming that he will sit back and defend.
      And... they wrote about it, and then bam, and Kursk... With difficulty, we squeeze it out, breaking through the "concrete fortifications" and again underestimation, yes, crap, he (the enemy) will sit on the defensive, I'm an expert, I know... Yeah. And before the SVO, various media laughed, yes, they are silly. We did it in two days, what do you mean two. In a day. Hahahaha. They have a rubber fleet, wooden machine guns, etc. The SVO is in its third year, the fourth is coming up... And there is no result...
  9. -2
    15 November 2024 11: 04
    Everywhere, in NATO, the EU, the IMF, they talk about large-scale corruption in Ukraine. It's a national disease. ))
    The IMF links the provision of further tranches to the requirement to fight corruption. This is what it comes down to.
    Our officials who came to Crimea in 2014 also encountered large-scale corruption.
    The locals are used to solving all issues "fairly". They provoked ours too. Not everyone could resist bribes.
    Moreover, very large amounts of money from the Russian budget went to Crimea.
    Crimea is the most subsidized region in the country. After Chechnya.
    Based on Russian experience, it is known that the most corrupt and thieving industries are road construction and the construction of buildings and structures.
    Due to the specifics of the technology, it is very difficult to check how much money was actually spent. To check this, the object must be partially resolved. How do you know which pipe is at a depth of 5 meters? New or old? ))
    Moreover, it is difficult to check this in the frontline zone. There are not many civilians willing to linger there.))
    1. 0
      20 November 2024 16: 40
      Due to the specifics of the technology, it is very difficult to verify how much money was actually spent. To verify this, the object must be partially resolved.уsew. How do you know which pipe is at a depth of 5 meters?

      Dear Doctor! It is immediately obvious that you are not a doctor in construction.
      Probably, ever since construction estimates and technical control appeared, such a thing as the Hidden Works Act has been known. Let's say we are building a road, according to the project there is a 200 mm layer of sand and gravel mixture at the base. We laid it and compacted it. A commission comes, checks the thickness of the layer and the compaction density in several random places. Until the Inspection Act is signed, 150 mm of granite crushed stone is not laid on top. The same with communications: show that you laid it, only then bury the ditch or pour a foundation slab on top.
      Before concreting, the reinforcement cage is also handed over. When pouring concrete, a sample is taken from each mixer and stored until inspection. The test cube is destroyed, not the structure.
      All the machinations are based on corruption and insufficient control. Believe me, if the work is done normally and on time, pulling out a tested pipe and replacing it with a cheaper one will cost more than fines for missing the schedule.
  10. +4
    15 November 2024 11: 28
    Wah!
    In general, everything has been bad for them for 10 years, they are stealing everything, and so for 2.5 years we have been bombing, killing, destroying, and they still resist and resist...
  11. +4
    15 November 2024 12: 45
    When the line of contact is more than 1000 km, no matter what you build there, they will simply march through the nearby fields
  12. +4
    15 November 2024 16: 00
    as if only Ukrainians suffer losses. It wasn't any better in Kursk region
  13. +4
    16 November 2024 00: 49
    Well, generally speaking, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have not only Western equipment, but also some Soviet equipment, not all of it has been knocked out - their own and that which the Czechs, Poles and Bulgarians supplied. And it is not inferior in cross-country ability to the current Russian one. Because, although one wise man said that the USSR only made galoshes, Russia is still fighting with T-72, T-80, and even T-62 tanks, and Gvozdika and Akatsiya self-propelled guns, and Grad, Uragan and Tornado MLRS systems. All of this was made in the USSR. In their free time from making galoshes, during community work days.
    1. 0
      20 November 2024 16: 48
      Karen Shakhnazarov was recently patted on the head by the highest authorities for handing over Mosfilm T-54/55 and PT-76 to the front. And you about the T-62...
  14. 0
    18 November 2024 13: 20
    Quote: mvbmvbmvb
    And how did the Germans destroy bridges during WWII, using technical means that are laughable by today’s standards?


    How? They used sapper teams and hundreds of kilograms, if not tons of TNT or other explosives. Well, not exactly funny "technical means", even by today's standards.
    1. 0
      20 November 2024 16: 51
      There is a successful experience of using the pre-war "Zveno" system by Vakhmistrov; not by the Germans at all. So the question is more about political will.
      As mother taught: "Whoever wants to do something, looks for a means. Whoever doesn't want to, looks for a reason."
  15. 0
    18 November 2024 13: 27
    Quote: Max1995
    In general, everything has been bad for them for 10 years, they are stealing everything, and so for 2.5 years we have been bombing, killing, destroying, and they still resist and resist...


    Well, they are helping them a little. Over the last two years, they have thrown in more than 300 billion dollars, however. Well, they also have mercenaries (vacationers-retirees), a satellite group, reconnaissance drones from the outside, NATO troops have been pulled up to our borders to further tie down our forces, limiting the ability to strengthen our group in the SVO zone.

    Well, if the West hadn’t intervened so much for Ukraine (it’s obvious that it was not in vain that they attached great importance to this “pawn country”), then Ukraine in its current form would definitely not exist.

    And how long did the "exceptional nation" mess around in Vietnam? Even though they had more troops and bombed in abundance, regardless of the losses among the locals... and how did it all end for the "GI"?

    So everything is relative.
    1. 0
      20 November 2024 16: 53
      We can also remember Afghanistan during the reign of the Self-Propelled Can...
  16. 0
    23 November 2024 20: 29
    I would like to hope that with the appearance of Oreshnik, the preparation of the fortified area is a "Sisyphean" task.