Russian Aerospace Forces Receive Another Batch of New Su-57 and Su-35S Fighters

Another batch of new Su-57 and Su-35S fighters has been handed over to the Russian military; the aircraft were manufactured at Komsomolsk-on-Amur aviation plant as part of the state defense order. This was reported by the press service of the United Aircraft Corporation.

The Russian Aerospace Forces received a batch of Su-35S 4++ generation fighters and Su-57 fifth generation fighters. All aircraft have undergone the necessary ground and flight tests, were accepted by the technical staff and have already departed for their bases. It is highly likely that some of them will soon take part in a special military operation. The transfer of the fighters took place at the airfield of the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft plant; the number of aircraft in the batch is not disclosed. The previous batch was sent to the troops in the first half of September. As previously reported by Rostec, the aircraft plant is expanding production.

The production capacities for the aircraft are expanding. The Su-57, together with the Su-34, Su-35S and other aircraft, are the wings of our victory that the Rostec aircraft manufacturing enterprises provide to the army on time and with high quality.

- said the head of Rostec Sergey Chemezov.

The Su-57 is a Russian fifth-generation multirole fighter jet developed using stealth technology in the Sukhoi Design Bureau. The fighter is designed to destroy air, ground and sea targets using systems Defense, long-range reconnaissance, and also for the destruction of the enemy's air control system. It can fight alone and within the framework of the "unified field" concept.

Su-35 is a Russian multi-role supermaneuverable 4++ generation fighter with thrust vector control (UVT) engines. Generation 4++ is conditional and only indicates that in terms of the totality of characteristics, the fighter is very close to the characteristics of the fifth generation fighter, with the exception of low visibility technology.

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[Irokez]

Everything is according to plan, everything is as it should be. Without this, there is no victory. Work, guys, and forge weapons.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

"Work, boys, and forge weapons"

[Maz]

I really hope that reinforced concrete hangars and underground storage facilities for them were also built in advance, equipped and covered with air defense and electronic warfare.

[Carlos Hall]

Very good news, these two fighters, together with the MiG 31, pose the greatest danger to the enemy.

[Xnumx vis]

You say we steal toilets from Ziono-Ukraine?! We remove microchips from washing machines?

[rs777]

How many Su-57s were transferred? Or is it a secret?

[tralflot1832]

rs 777. Judging by the video - one.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: rs777

How many Su-57s were transferred? Or is it a secret?

There is no direct information, but here is the main thing:

All serial Su-57 fighters that will be transferred to the Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) in 2024 will receive second-stage engines. TASS reported this, citing two sources in the VKS.
“The second stage engine has passed tests and is ready for operation,” said one of the sources.
It is noted that all serial fifth-generation Su-57 aircraft transferred to the Aerospace Forces in 2024 will receive a fifth-generation engine.

[Orange Bigg]

From 2025, the VKS will receive Su-57M with AL-51F1, created under the Megapolis R&D project.

[Orange Bigg]

Details were already announced in the media in September 2024.

. Su-57M and heavy UAV S-70 "Okhotnik" with AL-51F1 engine will go into production in early 2025
The year 2024 became an important milestone in Russian military aviation. The first long-awaited event was the launch of serial production of the AL-51F1 engine. And already in early 2025, the heavy UAV S-70 Okhotnik and the modernized Su-57M will go into production.

https://overclockers.ru/blog/Hardware_inc/show/178074/Novinki-aviaproma-2025-Su-57M-s-superdvigatelem-vtorogo-etapa-i-tyazhelyj-BPLA-S-70-Ohotnik

[bayard]

At the moment, AL-51F-1 are being installed on Su-57s under construction (those on the stocks), and will be delivered to the customer starting next year. The footage shown is of a Su-57 with an AL-41F-1S.
I can't imagine why they would put the AL-51F-1 on the Okhotnik, it's subsonic and the AL-41 without an afterburner is quite sufficient for it. Or is it for the sake of unification? It would be better to increase the production rate of the Su-57 by using additional engines.
Or did the journalist get it wrong again?
Most likely so.
But for the promising Su-75, which according to some reports and photographs has already taken off, the AL-51F-1 will be just "a bull's eye". So many of these engines will be needed.

[Orange Bigg]

The AL-51F-1 will be installed on the Su-57M and it would be highly desirable if it were installed on the Su-75 as well, so that the latter would have enough thrust. It is not necessary to install the AL-51F-1 on the S-70 Okhotnik. There are rumors that the Su-57M flies at a speed of 1,5 Mach in non-afterburning mode.

[bayard]

Quote from Orange Bigg

There are rumors that the Su-57M flies at a speed of 1,5 Mach in non-afterburning mode.

This has long been indicated in the tables. Moreover, for AL-41F-1S engines.
By the way, the MiG-1500 and MiG-31 also developed a speed of 29 km/h at maximum thrust without afterburners.

[abrakadabre]

This has long been indicated in the tables. Moreover, for AL-41F-1S engines.
By the way, the MiG-1500 and MiG-31 also developed a speed of 29 km/h at maximum thrust without afterburners.

To be fair, Mach 1.5 is 1800 km/h with a bit.

[bayard]

Quote: abrakadabre

The MiG-1500 and MiG-31 also achieved a speed of 29 km/h at maximum thrust without afterburners.

And yet, this is supersonic without afterburners.
By the way, the non-afterburning thrust of the MiG-31 engines is 9 kgf, exactly the same as the AL-500F-41S of the Su-1, but it is lighter. That is why the Su-57 has a higher speed at maximum without afterburning. But how much will the Su-57M produce in this mode on the AL-57F-51 with its 1 kgf without afterburner ... I think that it can do it even at Mach 11. In any case, the Su-000M produced at an altitude of about 2 km / h, and the afterburning thrust of its AL-24F is 2300 kgf.

[Lozovik]

The MiG-29 and MiG-31 cannot fly at supersonic speeds without afterburners; they are limited to Mach 0,95-0,99.

Quote: bayard

Su-57M on AL-51F-1

There is no such engine. Product 30 is still undergoing testing and has not yet received a name.

Quote: bayard

In any case, the Su-24M at an altitude of about 2300 km/h produced, and the afterburning thrust of its AL-21F was 11 kgf.

Its speed is much lower. M=1,6 limit, less than M=1,8 in thrust.

[bayard]

Quote: Lozovik

Quote: bayard
Su-57M on AL-51F-1There is no such engine. Product 30 is still undergoing tests, has not yet received a name.

Well, that means the management of UAC and Rostec is lying in their statements, including about the invented name for "Product-30".

Quote: Lozovik

Its speed is much lower. M=1,6 limit, less than M=1,8 in thrust.

I know its table data. As I know that the air intakes of its engines are optimized for low altitudes and high-altitude speed breakthrough was not envisaged for it. But I remember a film that was shown on TV in the mid-90s dedicated to the anniversary of this aircraft, where this maximum speed at altitude was indicated. Perhaps it was achieved with normally adjustable air intakes, because the engine power and the aerodynamics of the airframe allow this. But it went into production with air intakes adapted for low altitudes.

[Lozovik]

Quote: bayard

Well, that means the management of UAC and Rostec is lying in their statements, including about the invented name for "Product-30".

There are no such statements. The engine will not be in production until 27.

Quote: bayard

I know its tabular data.

This is practical aerodynamics, it has more accurate data than in the movies.

[bayard]

Quote: Lozovik

There are no such statements. The engine will not be in production until 27.

I think you wrote to me earlier that they will install/are installing some kind of "intermediate" engine with a thrust of 16,5 - 17 t.s. The publications indicate the thrust of the AL-51F-1 engine in afterburner at 17,5 t.s. And where is the truth?
It is obvious that they decided to reduce the thrust (temperature on the blades) in order to obtain an acceptable resource.
Or are they still continuing to lie, despite the Ministry of Defense getting rid of Shoygi and the Ministry of Industry and Trade getting rid of Manturov? Have they decided to make a leak at the beginning of the exhibition in China?

Quote: Lozovik

The MiG-29 and MiG-31 cannot fly at supersonic speeds without afterburners; they are limited to Mach 0,95-0,99.

And yet this is data from reference books.
And tell me, how can a fighter jet that accelerates to 20 km/h at 000 m (and even more with the new canopy glazing) with a thrust of 3000 t.s. not accelerate to supersonic speed (15,5 M) with a thrust of 1,25 t.s.?
And the other one (Su-57) with the same thrust accelerates to 1,5 M?
Maybe they can accelerate, but they have limitations? Because the sound barrier is passed slowly with such thrust and the glider takes on increased loads for too long? The limitations here are quite understandable, but the capabilities remain the same. And it is clear that no one in the troops indulged in such modes.
Rationality is one thing, but practical possibilities are quite another. The restrictions for combat MiG-29 and MiG-31 are quite rational.

Quote: Lozovik

This is practical aerodynamics, it has more accurate data than in the movies.

I was always surprised by the speed limitations of the Su-24M with such engine thrust. Adaptation of air intakes for low-altitude supersonic flight is understandable, but the Su-17 with the same engine had a much higher speed... even than the MiG-21. The expediency is clear. But there are also practical possibilities that were precisely verified and achieved during testing. That's what testing is for.

[Lozovik]

Quote: bayard

I think you wrote to me earlier that they will install/are installing some kind of "intermediate" engine with a thrust of 16,5 - 17 t.s.

The intermediate one is 117 with a magnetoelectric generator.

Quote: bayard

The publications indicate that the AL-51F-1 engine thrust in afterburner is 17,5 t.s. Where is the truth?

There is no truth in the publications. Why did they call it F-1 and not F-2, F-3, etc.?

Quote: bayard

It is obvious that they decided to reduce the thrust (temperature on the blades) in order to obtain an acceptable resource.

Who accepted? Achieving the specified resource is a long process. For the 117S (Su-35S) product, 1000+1000 hours was only recently confirmed. For the 117, it is still 750+750.

Quote: bayard

Or are they still continuing to lie, despite the Ministry of Defense getting rid of Shoygi and the Ministry of Industry and Trade getting rid of Manturov? Have they decided to make a leak at the beginning of the exhibition in China?

Are there links to the Rostec and Ministry of Industry and Trade websites?

Quote: bayard

And yet this is data from reference books.

Some reference books are incorrect.

Quote: bayard

(and with the new glazing of the lantern even more)

It is impossible to give the MiG-2,83 more than M=31, otherwise a complex of dangerous phenomena will occur.

Quote: bayard

with a thrust of 15,5 t.s. it cannot accelerate to supersonic speed (1,25 M) with a thrust of 9,5 t.s.?

The point is in the altitude-speed characteristics of the engine, the difference between the thrust without and with afterburner increases. The same RD-33 on the ground gives 5000 kgf at maximum, 8000 kgf at full afterburner, that is 60% more, and at Mach number = 2,0 and an altitude of 13000 meters 2000 kgf and 5700 kgf, by 285%.

Quote: bayard

I was always surprised by the speed limitations of the Su-24M with such engine thrust.

They write that with non-adjustable air intakes the limitation is M=1,35.

[bayard]

Quote: Lozovik

The intermediate one is 117 with a magnetoelectric generator.

So, did the cravings increase so much?

Quote: Lozovik

There is no truth in the publications. Why did they call it F-1 and not F-2, F-3, etc.?

As they called it, so they called it, I didn't come up with the names. And a photo of the engine on a pallet with the packaging removed, which was brought to China for an exhibition, is attached. The statements are there too. I think on the site "Military Materials" and somewhere else, several publications. There are also about the statements there.

Quote: Lozovik

For the 117S (Su-35S) product, 1000+1000 hours was only recently confirmed. The 117 still has 750+750.

It turns out that all the materials about the AL-41F-1S resource of 4000 flight hours are lying? For many years now and in all publications and video materials, including on TV??
I understand that there may be nuances, but not that much.

Quote: Lozovik

Some reference books are incorrect.

What are there?

Quote: Lozovik

It is impossible to give the MiG-2,83 more than M=31, otherwise a complex of dangerous phenomena will occur.

I know about this, but we are talking specifically about test flights, when the aircraft's capabilities are fully tested. You are demonstrating manuals for production aircraft with all the restrictions in place.
I am a former air defense officer - an officer in the combat control of an air defense unit, so for me these parameters are known from a slightly different angle. Although our units had their own fighter regiments. So I talked about these topics with pilots, and with aircraft technicians, navigators, and the unit's chief of aviation. True, we had a regiment of MiG-25s back then, based in Nasosnaya. And a helicopter squadron to intercept low-altitude intruders like Rust.
By the way, the speed limits for the MiG-25 and MiG-31 were precisely because of the so-called "thermal barrier", and mainly due to the durability of the canopy glazing. This is from the MiG-31 technical description, the aviation chief let me look through it - they were going to rearm the regiment of our unit. After replacing the canopy glazing with new materials, the speed limits were moved to 3200 km / h. It is unlikely that anyone will accelerate them like that in practice, because it has a cruising supersonic speed (with afterburner, but not full) of 2500 km / h. And it can maintain this speed for 22 minutes. The MiG-25 had the same.

Quote: Lozovik

They write that with non-adjustable air intakes the limitation is M=1,35.

And they write, and in the tables everywhere the speed of 1500 km/h at low altitude is indicated. At low altitude it can't accelerate any faster, but nothing is indicated about the speed at the flight level of 10 m. Well, and the non-adjustable air intakes were adapted for exactly this speed and for low altitudes... But I was talking about the speed achieved during tests with normal (adjustable) air intakes.
Otherwise, in comparison with the F-111, it turns out to be a complete nonsense. With an engine thrust of less than 10 t.s., its speed was always indicated in all reference books as ... 2650 km / h, which is, of course, complete nonsense. But they insisted on this nonsense until the last of them (Australian) were written off. And only after that, the maximum speed at altitude was recognized as "2000 km / h". But the Su-24 (which is a little lighter) has an engine thrust of 11 kg.s. So the speed during tests at an altitude of up to 200 km / h is quite realistic. And then adaptation to a low-altitude breakthrough with all the limitations and settings of non-adjustable air intakes.

[Lozovik]

Quote: bayard

So, did the cravings increase so much?

Not at all. But it can power more energy-intensive consumers.

Quote: bayard

As they called it, so they called it, I didn't come up with the names. And a photo of the engine on a pallet with the packaging removed, which was brought to China for an exhibition, is attached. The statements are there too. It seems to be on the site "Military Materials" and somewhere else, several publications. There are also statements there

Sensations as always. This is a model of the engine from the new unified family, which I wrote about a year or two ago. Product 177C. https://rostec.ru/media/news/odk-vpervye-predstavila-noveyshiy-aviatsionnyy-dvigatel-pyatogo-pokoleniya/#start

Quote: bayard

It turns out that all the materials about the AL-41F-1S resource of 4000 flight hours are lying? For many years now and in all publications and video materials, including on TV??
I understand that there may be nuances, but not that much.

All sorts of journalists promise, who like to pass off all sorts of rumors as official statements.

Quote: bayard

I know about this, but we are talking specifically about test flights, when the aircraft’s capabilities are tested to the fullest.

There are many limiting factors: the performance of the airframe, directional stability, the air curtain, etc. The aircraft is not designed even for a long flight near M=2,83, let alone exceeding this number. Alexander Fedotov on the modernized MiG-25 gave M=3,1, but he was a highly qualified pilot, perhaps the best in the world.

Quote: bayard

And they write, and in the tables everywhere the speed is indicated as 1500 km/h at low altitude. At low altitude it can't accelerate any faster, but nothing is indicated about the speed at the flight level of 10 m.

Mach number or instrument speed, which limitation comes first. According to the instrument, the limits are:



In general, the Su-24's altitude and speed characteristics are rather weak.

You can find a flight manual for the F-111, but I'm too lazy right now.

[bayard]

Quote: Lozovik

Product 177C

I looked. Well, at least they improved the economy, and that's good.
And "Product-30" doesn't seem to come out like a flower from Danila-Master. Have they set the bar high with the specific thrust?
Maybe it's really possible to cut the sturgeon down to 16,5 - 17 t.s.? It will be quite enough for the Su-57 and Su-75.

[Lozovik]

The AL-31F was developed in 1972, it passed state tests only in 1985, only then was series 1 with a resource of 100 hours launched into production. A couple of years is not such a long time, in any case, the situation here is much better than with the same PD-8.

[bayard]

Quote: Lozovik

A couple of years is not such a long time.

So with them it will probably be all twenty. And it will be good if everything works out. After all, it was promised back when.

Quote: Lozovik

in any case, the situation here is much better than with the same PD-8.

What's wrong with this?? It seems like they should already be certifying it?

[Lozovik]

Fundamental design problems. The engine didn't work out.

[bayard]

Well, I never! How is that possible? After all, a couple of years ago in correspondence with me you claimed that "a little more and the resource will be 500 hours". And I expressed doubts that the bar for specific thrust was raised unreasonably high. And that it would be worth cutting the sturgeon for a longer resource and reliability. Maybe it is still worth it?
And if you say that "there will be no engine before 2027", then what will happen in 2027 and after that? If "the engine didn't work out"?
What's so bad about PD-8? It didn't work either?

[Lozovik]

With 30 everything is fine, soon letter O. PD-8 did not work out.

[Nikolaevich I]

To hell with stealth! Let the bastards see and be afraid!

[Lemon]

Good news! They seem to have launched two new workshops (lines) for the assembly of SU-57 and the Ufa plant is increasing the supply of stage 2 engines.

[Lemur2023]

How much is a batch? 2, 3, 4? Wouldn't it be better to get hold of a Ukrainian F15 and copy the already proven technology?

[next322]

Do they have F-[media=http://]15?

[vovochkarzhevsky]

How much is a batch? 2, 3, 4? Wouldn't it be better to get hold of a Ukrainian F15 and copy the already proven technology?

Is everything all right with your head?

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

How much is a batch? 2, 3, 4? Wouldn't it be better to get hold of a Ukrainian F15 and copy the already proven technology?

Is everything all right with your head?

A representative of consumer society with a Ukrainian tint and flavor came in.
No idea whatsoever about fighter aircraft.
When I was here under my first nickname "Nevsky" in 2012, there were professionals in the comments. That was the era... I only read, I couldn't even put in my 5 cents.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

When I was here under my first nickname "Nevsky" in 2012, there were professionals in the comments. That was the era... I only read, I couldn't even put in my 5 cents.

Back then, it wasn't just the pros who were in the comments, but also in the publications.
But the pros turned out to be not very convenient. First they were dispersed from the authors, then from the commentators.

[Lemur2023]

The grass used to be greener and the apples were sweeter

[vovochkarzhevsky]

The grass used to be greener and the apples were sweeter

There used to be an army, not just toy troops for parades. It's been four months, but they still can't drive the enemy out of the Kursk region.

[AlOrg]

It's better not to copy, but to buy spare parts in China and organize large-unit assembly on the territory of the former AZLK plant. It will be faster that way. And screw the nameplate on with bolts ))

[abrakadabre]

And screw the nameplate on with bolts))

Why waste bolts? Take it higher, advanced technologies - with scotch tape, again Chinese.

[Eug]

They will exchange Iran (Israel) for a part of Ukraine. The Kremlin towers are like that...