"Beat him, Sashka, before he has time to raise his hands, I need a dead German, not a prisoner."

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"Beat him, Sashka, before he has time to raise his hands, I need a dead German, not a prisoner."

I deliberately put in the title a rather famous phrase of Private Lopakhin from the great work "They Fought for the Motherland...". At first glance, it hardly corresponds to the topic that I want to touch on today. A topic that has already "become a pain in the ass" of many readers and journalists. But... As often happens, the problem remains, and the solution has not yet been made.

We will talk about those very FPV-shniks who are sent to attack aircraft. About how avoiding the solution of this problem "sets up" commanders, how the discrepancy between the standard structure of units and formations and the requirements of modern combat forces commanders to sacrifice "piecemeal" fighters for the sake of victory in one specific battle.



The phrase with which I began the article is heard especially often today. Ukrainian punitive forces have already committed so many crimes against the civilian population of both Russia and Ukraine that our soldiers and commanders would be happy to become those very "Sashkas" to whom Private Lopatin addressed himself.

The mutilated corpses of our fallen soldiers, civilians, children cannot leave indifferent not only soldiers, but also officers. Everyone wants to free our land from these scum as soon as possible. Even at the cost of their own lives, but to drive out, or better yet, drive these sadists into the ground.

This especially applies to Russians from our historical territories that are liberating their land, the land of their ancestors. How often do the reports of the Russian Ministry of Defense report on the exploits of units staffed by people from these regions?

Unfortunately, such a mood sometimes leads to unjustified losses. When a commander, not having the opportunity to conduct high-quality reconnaissance, decides to launch an offensive on enemy positions. And this is where we come to the topic drones as a new and terrifying weapon for the enemy. Drones as one of the most important methods of reconnaissance!

But the commander does not have regular units of drone operators at his disposal! There are freelance ones, where fighters from companies and battalions are seconded. The unit or formation is some unknown structure, which consists not only of regular units, but also of numerous freelance units, where fighters from assault units are seconded, among other things.

What should a commander do in such a situation? Go on the assault with units that are "truncated" in practice, but full on paper, or return those assigned to their units? And the enemy tramples our native land, kills our people, robs our churches, museums and even stores, not to mention civilians...

Recently, a message about an unsuccessful attack in early November was published on one of the Telegram channels. The message is completely at odds with the “victorious tone” that reigns in our information space. I will cite only part of it:

“As part of our offensive on ... in the Seversky direction, the brigade commander with the call sign ... sent the 1st, 2nd, 3rd motorized rifle battalions and the 4th tank the battalion launched a frontal assault without providing the soldiers with fire support.
An unprepared attack without accompanying support was doomed to failure.
As a result, we suffered BIG losses in tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, many soldiers killed and even more wounded.”

The authors of the report, “in the heat of the moment,” place all the blame on the brigade commander. There is some truth in this. The brigade’s reconnaissance did not work as it should have. The desire to win and liberate the village won out over sober calculation. But why did this happen? Why did the reconnaissance Drones didn't hang over the heads of the Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers all the time? Why did the infantry and tanks go into a well-prepared defense without the appropriate support? artillery? Again the problem of those seconded to non-staff units...

Is there a way out of this situation?


Today, much is written about the need to create separate battalions and companies of drone operators. So that commanders of directions, brigade commanders and other commanders could receive information "first hand" and, accordingly, plan operations based on the available data. I agree. There should be reconnaissance at the army, corps and brigade level. But not to the detriment of assault units.

Here I completely agree with the military expert Vladislav Shurygin, whom I respect. In one of his posts he gives an example from the domestic war concerning tanks. An excellent example showing the possible path of development of drones. 

"In the forties of the last century, approximately the same thing happened with tanks! When tanks went from being a means of direct infantry support to separate units and formations, so that by the end of the Great Patriotic War they would once again become a means of infantry support! There was simply a division into tank formations - the main striking fists of the Red Army and tanks of fire support and cover for infantry units. Therefore, in the composition of Soviet motorized rifle divisions until the collapse of the USSR, the number of tanks was only slightly inferior to tank ones...".

It would seem that what is easier to "legalize" than to transfer UAV operators to the staff of the unit. This issue has been brewing for a long time. Drones now not only fly, but also operate "on the ground". A decision has been made to train operators en masse at higher education institutions. So what?

The decision to change the staff structure of the units is delayed. Does the brigade commander need a company of operators? He does! Does the battalion commander need a platoon? He does! Even a platoon commander needs operators. They are the commander's eyes! And his "fist" if necessary. Not to mention emergency situations... How wonderful our attack aircraft attacks look when they are coordinated from the air. A symphony... Even reconnaissance would not refuse "insects". Small UAVs that would probe the terrain within a radius of several hundred meters.

Now about the stormtroopers. Isn't it time to move away from the "WWII experience"? Assault companies, assault battalions... Look at how some special forces units operate. They haven't fought together for a long time. A small maneuverable group of 8-10 people supported by drones, artillery, and EW. Such a group successfully replaces a company of stormtroopers. At the same time, again according to the experience of special forces ("Espanyol", "Aid", "White" and others), losses in such groups are minimal.

I will touch upon another issue that is quite acute, but which many authors prefer to remain silent about. This is the issue of cash payments to stormtroopers. It would seem that there is experience from the Great Patriotic War, when the cash allowance of stormtroopers differed significantly from that of the infantry. But we continue to stubbornly talk and write about our soldiers as unmercenaries.

But look at the advertising posters calling for a contract to serve in the RF Armed Forces. Why do people go to Moscow to sign a contract? Compare the payments and benefits in Moscow and, say, Krasnoyarsk or Voronezh. Alas, the issue of money is not the least important for a person. By the way, even in the trenches the difference in pay remains…

The wounded were remembered. Two years after the start of the SVO, it suddenly became clear that wounds, even severe ones, are different, and the state should compensate them differently. And what about the stormtroopers? Why not increase the monetary (u)pleasure in the stormtrooper units by one and a half, or better yet, two times? So that the fighter fights not only for the idea, but also for the future well-being of the family.

I think this will quickly solve the problem of "exiling" undesirables to assault units. How many stories about such cases can we read? Both soldiers and commanders need this. Now almost any commander can be accused of using this method of getting rid of undesirables. For some reason, a soldier is not suitable for service in this unit, he is transferred to another. And try to explain your decision to his friends...

Instead of conclusions


War has become a given in our lives. Everyone is learning. The army is changing so fast that many have already stopped noticing these changes. They have focused on criticizing the shortcomings, which also exist. We can already talk about a new officer corps. About smart and proactive commanders. We can already talk about truly professional contract soldiers. The army is improving.

In these conditions, the issue of losses is acute. We must use every opportunity to reduce personnel losses. Whether it is new combat tactics, the use of more sophisticated weapons or drones, or the ability to exert moral influence on the enemy.

The Russian Ministry of Defense has already announced the creation of drone troops. Faculties for training drone operator officers have already been created. It is not yet clear whether drones will be a separate branch of the military or not. At least, according to the Defense Minister, such troops have already been legalized and have the right to exist in the future.

It is necessary to establish order in the staffing of military units and formations. The position of army officials is unclear. The minister said, please comply. And no other way. By the way, this also applies to regulations. Everyone admits that it is necessary to change and…
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  1. +12
    12 November 2024 05: 07
    Quote: Alexander Staver
    It is not yet clear whether drones will be a separate branch of the military or not.
    Most likely they will not be a separate branch of the military, there will be too long and bureaucratic contacts between one branch of the military and the "drone troops". Efficiency is lost. I think the artillery will have their own drone unit, the army aviation will have its own, and the intelligence service will have its own. This is my opinion only.
    1. -2
      12 November 2024 09: 08
      The author of the article correctly gave an example of comparing drones with tanks of the Great Patriotic War.
      If my memory serves me right, by 1945 half of the tanks were in tank armies, these "shock fists", and the other half... That's right, in separate (!!!) tank regiments, attached to divisions, that is, they were infantry tanks, available to infantry division commanders.
    2. 0
      12 November 2024 20: 48
      There is logic in this. Including in the context of reconnaissance - here very small devices are appropriate.
  2. +10
    12 November 2024 05: 18
    Everyone admits that change is needed and...
    Belousov is alone, the entire Ministry of Defense remains the same, with minor conclusions...
    1. +6
      12 November 2024 10: 58
      Belousov is alone, the entire Ministry of Defense remains the same, with a little conclusions...


      Is this a Freudian slip? smile But the authorities are working, and many comrades with sticky hands will be sent to prison.
      1. +1
        12 November 2024 11: 01
        Quote: Comrade Beria
        Is this a Freudian slip?

        No. It was written that way on purpose! hi
      2. 0
        12 November 2024 18: 21
        Quote: Comrade Beria
        Belousov is alone, the entire Ministry of Defense remains the same, with a little conclusions...


        Is this a Freudian slip? smile But the authorities are working, and many comrades with sticky hands will be sent to prison.

        It is clearly stated that the reason is the "minor imprisonment". On the surface... belay laughing
  3. +17
    12 November 2024 05: 25
    When a commander, unable to conduct quality reconnaissance, decides to launch an offensive against enemy positions

    The president tells me from the screen that we are in no hurry, that we are methodically breaking the enemy. In a modern war, fighting at random is expensive, I thought the fog of war only remained in games, and when a commander makes such decisions, maybe such commanders should be removed, in 1994 they stormed Grozny, in 2022 they tried Kharkov, it feels like no conclusions or tactics have been made during this time, and these are questions for the Ministry of Defense, after all, almost 30 years have passed.
    Now about the stormtroopers. Isn't it time to move away from the "WWII experience"? Assault companies, assault battalions... Look at how some special forces units operate. They haven't fought together for a long time. A small maneuverable group of 8-10 people with the support of drones, artillery and electronic warfare. Such a group successfully replaces a company of stormtroopers. At the same time, again based on the experience of special forces ("Espanyol", "Aid", "White" and others), losses in such groups are minimal.
    Not long ago they wrote about how cool it is to be a stormtrooper, and how we will deserve victory thanks to the stormtroopers and on their shoulders, and now we have to move on from this experience. Maybe I'm wrong, but you have some interesting special forces, I know special forces groups of the SSO, and special forces groups of the Internal Troops, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation and the Russian Guard, correct me if I'm wrong, it will be interesting for my general development.
    But look at the advertising posters calling for a contract to serve in the RF Armed Forces. Why do people go to Moscow to sign a contract? Compare the payments and benefits in Moscow and, say, Krasnoyarsk or Voronezh. Alas, the issue of money is not the least important for a person. By the way, even in the trenches the difference in pay remains…

    You might be surprised, but a teacher in Moscow and a teacher, for example, in Kemerovo, do absolutely the same job, but in Moscow they pay for it several times more than in Kemerovo. And this is practically everywhere, and in all professions. Even with benefits, for example, an honorary donor in Moscow has a discount on housing and communal services and free travel on public transport, and an honorary donor in any corner of our vast Motherland does not have such benefits.
    1. -4
      12 November 2024 07: 51
      You have written a lot and to the point, but I have not seen any conclusions or proposals for resolving the issue of changing combat tactics. What do you propose to the President and the Minister of Defense?
      1. 0
        12 November 2024 08: 12
        Quote: golen
        You wrote a lot and to the point, but no conclusions.

        Let's be mature. The picture has been painted for you. Now you draw your own conclusions.
        1. 0
          12 November 2024 08: 14
          I made it, or them, for myself a long time ago. But the detailed analysis that you conducted in your post, logically requires your conclusion as well.
        2. 0
          12 November 2024 12: 15
          you can draw any picture, but only a few can come up with conclusions and suggestions
      2. +9
        12 November 2024 08: 16
        Unfortunately, I have already received a fine for my last proposals, I do not want to risk it. Therefore, briefly and to the point, in order to carry out reconnaissance, it must be carried out by all available and existing means.
        1. +2
          12 November 2024 08: 19
          And it needs to be carried out CONSTANTLY.
    2. -2
      14 November 2024 13: 26
      Special forces group of the Special Operations Forces, and the special forces of the Russian Guard and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, unfortunately, these are different units in terms of combat missions (the Special Operations Forces - mainly open terrain, the Russian Guard of the Ministry of Internal Affairs - city special forces, against terrorists). Grozny-Kharkov (don't confuse horseradish with a finger, if we act like the Israelis in Palestine, then there would be no RUSSIAN population left alive in Kharkov, in the word "at all"! Are you fighting against RUSSIANS?) Yes, there are still such commanders who storm the post-traffic zone and the permanent post-traffic zone without reconnaissance, that's why the result is 50%-200,50, 300%-XNUMX... And there are also commanders-buggers, who for money themselves hand over the location of our boys to the Bandera (there was such a general-handball in Krasnorechye in 2022)
  4. +5
    12 November 2024 05: 42
    The problem of using drones is solved simply if it is solved by people close to the LBS, and not by "professionals" entrenched in the penates of Moscow or the Ministry of Defense. You will probably agree that introducing UAV operators like grenade launchers into the staff of a platoon is not rational. Firstly, difficulties arise with the preparation and training of the operators themselves (even in connection with constantly changing modifications, and, secondly, problems arise with the storage and transportation of the products themselves to the place of use. The conclusion suggests itself - it is time to introduce a platoon of UAV operators with the appropriate equipment and staff into the company's staff.
    * * *
    I agree with the conclusions, but:
    It is necessary to restore order in the staffing of military units and formations. The position of army officials is unclear. The minister said, please comply. And no other way. By the way, this also applies to the charters. Everyone admits that it is necessary to change and...

    How should we treat army officials who, even in combat conditions, turn service into a feeding trough, and who, in practice, are “not a whiz”?
    There is no point in hoping that the new Ministry of Defense will turn over this Serdyukov-Shoygin layer alone, without the appropriate laws, with the defendants under house arrest.
    1. +2
      12 November 2024 06: 51
      It's time to introduce a platoon of UAV operators with the appropriate equipment and staff into the company's staff.

      That is, instead of improving communications and control, give each company a drone so that they fight exclusively for themselves?
      1. +3
        12 November 2024 09: 22
        Quote: strannik1985
        Give each company a drone


        Quote: ROSS 42
        a platoon of UAV operators with the appropriate equipment and staff.

        In modern combat, the situation changes so quickly that you do not need to get involved, but rather give commands to subordinate (entrusted) units.
        1. -1
          12 November 2024 09: 24
          In modern combat, the situation changes so quickly that you need to give commands to the units assigned to you rather than just get involved.

          You spotted a drone on the reverse slope of an enemy mortar or armored personnel carrier. What are you going to do?
          1. -2
            12 November 2024 09: 26
            Quote: strannik1985
            You spotted a drone on the reverse slope of an enemy mortar or armored personnel carrier. What are you going to do?

            I'll wake up... I always do this when I have some kind of nonsense dream...
            * * *
            Ask Shoigu, he is younger and smarter...
            1. +1
              12 November 2024 09: 28
              I'll wake up... I always do this when I have some kind of nonsense dream...

              And I thought you would transmit the coordinates to the battalion commander's checkpoint, right?
              1. -4
                12 November 2024 09: 30
                Quote: strannik1985
                And I thought you would transmit the coordinates to the battalion commander's checkpoint, right?

                You continue to advance in battalions and regiments... It is more familiar...
                1. 0
                  12 November 2024 10: 29
                  You continue to advance in battalions and regiments... It is more familiar...

                  Is Shoigu preventing us from dispersing the battle formation? Covering the attackers with electronic warfare stations?
      2. +3
        12 November 2024 10: 04
        I think that at the battalion level, a UAV platoon would be included in the staff of a motorized rifle battalion.
        1. +1
          12 November 2024 10: 47
          Quote: tatarin1972
          I think that at the battalion level, a UAV platoon would be included in the staff of a motorized rifle battalion.

          I have no objections...
    2. +1
      15 November 2024 11: 37
      I agree, in our Ministry of Defense they are used to doing everything the old-fashioned way and any innovations dictated by the times are met with hostility, and if they are introduced, then with difficulty and with a great delay, this is what needs to be urgently gotten rid of, and for this we need rotation and a total renewal of personnel, well, some military officials cannot think in a modern and progressive way, so they need to be replaced with younger and more talented ones.
  5. +4
    12 November 2024 06: 11
    War has become a given in our lives.
    Well, yes, "a person is not a flea, he gets used to everything" (c)
    1. 0
      12 November 2024 20: 25
      Respect! Now I'll shake it and go to the pub and fight with the Khachiks, tomorrow I'll regret it. But in the meantime I don't like shit.
  6. +7
    12 November 2024 06: 35
    What a cool colonel! Not only the investigative committee and the military prosecutor's office can't do anything with him. But Staver wrote a whole article.
    1. +3
      12 November 2024 09: 58
      What a cool colonel! Not only the investigative committee and the military prosecutor's office can't do anything with him.

      yeah ...
      Some will be court-martialed for failure to comply with orders...
      and others, for giving such an order, will not even be touched with a finger...
      and this despite the fact that in words - we all understand, "women will give birth to more children" - "doesn't work" anymore...
      and what to do?
      chew snot... probably further
  7. 0
    12 November 2024 06: 43
    There are no states, which means they are not in service.
    Something like that.
    1. +5
      12 November 2024 07: 02
      By the way, the non-brothers overtook us in this by four laps.
      1. -2
        12 November 2024 11: 03
        The non-brothers themselves say something different.
      2. 0
        15 November 2024 11: 44
        Sometimes, for the good of the cause, it is not shameful to learn from the enemy, especially when there really is something to learn from, in terms of organizing UAV operators, we already have something to pay attention to, in this matter we have more than enough problems and they need to be solved urgently.
  8. +6
    12 November 2024 06: 49
    The brigade's reconnaissance did not work as it should. The desire to win and liberate the village won over sober calculation.

    So what does this mean? "Patriotism is the shore of a scoundrel"? Now one can cover up one's own mistakes in management with the desire to win quickly?
    1. +6
      12 November 2024 08: 06
      Here's something else. Brigade commander "Dubov" received an order from the higher command at 15.00:18 to take the enemy brigade's stronghold by the stipulated XNUMX:XNUMX in the evening, what kind of reconnaissance is there? The order must be carried out, regardless of losses, otherwise tomorrow the brigade commander will be transferred to battalion commander and he himself will have to rush into the attack.
      1. +1
        12 November 2024 09: 16
        Quote: golen
        shin
        Here is something else. Brigade commander "Dubov" received an order from the higher command at 15.00:18 to take the enemy brigade's stronghold by the stipulated XNUMX:XNUMX in the evening, what kind of reconnaissance is there? The order must be carried out, not

        If the battalion commander is not a blockhead, then he probably understood how all this would end. But he still drove his(?) soldiers to their death, just to keep his position and shoulder straps? Such officers are not worth a dime. Yes, the order must be carried out, but no one took away his right to express his thoughts and justify the impossibility of carrying out the order due to the lack of intelligence. To do this, you need to be an officer, not a shoulder strap wearer.
      2. 0
        15 November 2024 11: 56
        What an absurd stupidity, how can any strict deadlines be set for taking enemy positions in this case, everything should be done in strict accordance with the full readiness of all our units to storm, this with the availability of comprehensive information from reconnaissance, with the readiness of the artillery to open fire and suppress enemy strongholds in a timely manner, and if necessary, to process the enemy bridgehead with aviation, but like this, blindly, straight ahead, without careful preparation, this is simply, to put it mildly, absurdity and some kind of amateurism.
        1. 0
          16 November 2024 12: 34
          What you write is impossible to implement 100% during a war due to both objective and subjective factors. That is why the front-line soldiers during the Great Patriotic War came up with the classic phrase "In war as in war".
  9. +1
    12 November 2024 07: 00
    What, "study, everyone"? Well, for the most part, the country doesn't give a damn about it. Someone gave their life, someone is just tired, someone steals, someone looks at Trump's mouth (sitting in front of a monitor or TV screen). But those at the top insist that everyone is united.
  10. +9
    12 November 2024 07: 58
    [/quote]The Russian Ministry of Defense has already announced the creation of drone troops.[quote]
    It was the 33rd month of the war... Prigozhin was right, the current "slow bureaucracy" in the Ministry of Defense is ruining the army. But old man Gerasim is happy with everything, and Belousov alone, without a team of like-minded people, cannot change anything. God is far away, and the president, as usual, lives in his own flourishing little world, where golden wheat fields are everywhere, and the robot Fyodor controls the import-substituted "Superjet".
  11. +6
    12 November 2024 08: 19
    The minister said, please comply.
    laughing laughing Yes, what the minister said is not enough! In the shaggy year, in the month of May, the president signed decrees, popularly called "May", were they executed? The president, send him to the "corner", for failure to execute his decrees, put him..? Are they now trying to execute them? What? The president, separately, the rest separately? Does the president live on a secret space station or in a bunker under the ice of Antarctica? laughing
  12. 0
    12 November 2024 08: 26
    We won the Great Patriotic War not thanks to the military leadership talents of the generals, until the end of the war the German generals were able to fight better, but... resources did not allow them. By 43 we had doubled steel production compared to pre-war, tanks were produced several times more than in Germany, aircraft one and a half times more, as well as artillery guns. And now Victory will be for whose industry wins.
    1. +1
      12 November 2024 09: 27
      We won the Great Patriotic War not thanks to the military leadership talents of our generals

      Is it true? And I thought that in the Vistula-Oder the enemy was not allowed to occupy 7 intermediate lines of defense thanks to increased skill, but here it is...
      1. +2
        12 November 2024 09: 39
        And I thought that in the Vistula-Oder the enemy was not allowed to occupy 7 intermediate lines of defense thanks to increased skill

        Thanks to Hitler, who demanded that the defensive lines be positioned closer, despite the demands of the generals
        From Guderian's memoirs
        The front commanders demanded that approximately 20 km in the rear of the forward edge of the first line of defense, strong, carefully camouflaged and occupied positions be erected for the purpose of waging major battles. Furthermore, they wanted defensive instructions that would give them the right, immediately before the enemy's artillery preparation began, to withdraw with their main forces to the second line of defense, leaving only a small cover on the first. Such a maneuver would make the artillery preparation completely useless, would nullify all the enemy's lengthy preparations for the deployment of his forces, would force him to run into a well-prepared line of defense and retreat. There is no doubt that this demand was fully justified. I studied it and reported it to Hitler. He lost his temper and completely refused to put up with such a situation, when they wanted to leave an area 20 km deep without a fight. Hitler ordered the creation of the main line of resistance 2-4 km from the forward edge of defense. When he gave this senseless order, he was living entirely in memories of the First World War, and no arguments could make him change his mind. This mistake made itself felt very strongly when in January 1945 the Russians managed to break through, and the reserves, again in In accordance with Hitler's categorical order and against my advice, they were drawn up close to the front line. The front line of defense, the main line of resistance and the reserves all came under attack from the Russians and were simultaneously overthrown. Hitler's anger now turned on the men who were building the fortifications, and when I began to contradict him, on me as well. He ordered that the minutes of the conference held in the autumn of 1944, at which the position of the main line of resistance had been discussed, be brought, since he now began to assert that he had always stood at a distance of 20 km. "What kind of "stupid person" could order such nonsense?" I pointed out to him that he had done it himself. They brought it and began to read the transcript. But after a few sentences he ordered the reading to stop. This was a clear self-incrimination. Unfortunately, it was of no use, since the breakthrough of the front was an accomplished fact.

        Well, 5 thousand of our planes against 270 German ones...
        1. -3
          12 November 2024 10: 31
          Thanks to Hitler, who demanded that the lines be established

          Thanks to Hitler, they launched an offensive 500 km deep? Are you sure?
        2. -2
          14 November 2024 11: 59
          Well, would these 20 km have helped Guderian? To delay his agony for a couple of days, nothing more.
          If you read the German generals, everyone around them is to blame, they are the only unrecognized geniuses. Hitler is a fool, dirt, General Frost, poor supplies, treacherous Ivans - everything around is wrong, and Guderian is all in white, riding a shining "Tiger".
          Instead of admitting that the "fast Heinz" ended near Tula and finally went out of circulation along with his entire blitzkrieg precisely thanks to the skill and courage of the soldiers and commanders of the Red Army.
          Yes, there will still be German victories, but the war has ALREADY been lost.
          1. 0
            14 November 2024 12: 45
            Instead of admitting that the "fast Heinz" ended near Tula and finally went out of circulation along with his entire blitzkrieg precisely thanks to the skill and courage of the soldiers and commanders of the Red Army.
            Yes, there will still be German victories, but the war has ALREADY been lost.

            And did you read the beginning of the discussion? And why did you decide that it was "precisely due to skill and courage" and not the mobilization qualities of our socialist industry?
            So would these 20 km have helped Guderian?

            It would help a little. And did you read my comment to the end?
            Well, 5 thousand of our planes against 270 German ones...

            Now imagine that the ratio would have been the other way around. Or how in Operation Bagration our master generals would have been able to defeat Army Group Center without the 6 planes Stalin had collected from several fronts against 000 German fighters?
            The same is true in the SVO: until we have multiple superiority in the same UAVs, we will not see victory for a long time.
          2. 0
            14 November 2024 12: 57
            Well, would these 20 km have helped Guderian? Postpone the agony for a couple of days

            Have you ever thought about how much these two days would have cost us?
    2. -1
      12 November 2024 09: 59
      We won the Great Patriotic War not thanks to the military leadership talents of the generals, until the end of the war the German generals were able to fight better, but... resources did not allow them. By 43 we had doubled steel production compared to pre-war, tanks were produced several times more than in Germany, aircraft one and a half times more, as well as artillery guns. And now Victory will be for whose industry wins.


      What are you saying? So he threw corpses at the USSR. Sounds familiar.
      Is it not true that the same fighter aviation in the Soviet Air Force primarily worked to support the work of strike aviation and air defense forces, while German fighters were “free knights of the sky in search of glory and victories”?
      As a result, after successes in the first period of the war, the Luftwaffe failed in providing air support to the troops.
      Even the stormtroopers suffered losses mainly from small anti-aircraft guns, of which the Wehrmacht had more than enough, unlike the Red Army.
      Well, yes, unlike Germany, we didn't have "neutral" Switzerland nearby to supply Oerlikons en masse. Speaking of resources.
      1. +2
        12 November 2024 10: 05
        Is it not true that the same fighter aviation in the Soviet Air Force primarily worked to support the work of strike aviation and air defense forces, while German fighters were “free knights of the sky in search of glory and victories”?

        This is a myth. German fighters preemptively cleared the sky along the route of their bombers, destroying our fighters patrolling the cover areas. And ours spent fuel and engine resources escorting slower bombers.
        1. 0
          12 November 2024 10: 17
          This is a myth. German fighters preemptively cleared the sky along the route of their bombers, destroying our fighters patrolling the cover areas. And ours spent fuel and engine resources escorting slower bombers.


          This is not a myth, this is your ignorance in the field of aviation. How do you imagine this preventive clearing of the sky along the route? (Here is one Germanophile blurting out a stupidity, and fools repeat it.)
          Okay, imagine you have to drive a herd of domestic animals through a forest full of wolves.
          A group of hunters has been assigned to protect you.
          In which case are you safer, when they are nearby, or when they are ten kilometers ahead, clearing the route for you? lol
          1. +1
            12 November 2024 10: 36
            This is not a myth, this is your ignorance in the field of aviation. How do you imagine this preventive clearing of the sky along the route? (Here is one Germanophile blurting out a stupidity, and fools repeat it.)

            Well, that means Timin and Serov are ignoramuses, and they are very authoritative historians in aviation.
            1. -3
              12 November 2024 11: 14
              Well, that means Timin and Serov are ignoramuses, and they are very authoritative historians in aviation.


              Are you seriously? laughing Are you sure you're talking about Mishka the pawnbroker? laughing
              Greetings from the Sky Artist channel, where we periodically take apart these info-gypsies.
              We found historians, but they had no knowledge of history or their field. Yes
              1. +2
                12 November 2024 11: 33
                Greetings from the Sky Artist channel, where we periodically take apart these info-gypsies.

                Ha, it is the blogger Potapov who is an infogypsy
                1. -4
                  12 November 2024 11: 53
                  Ha, it is the blogger Potapov who is an infogypsy


                  Exactly, botanists Timin and Serov are aviation experts. Pilot Potapov is nothing compared to them. lol
                  1. +1
                    12 November 2024 12: 24
                    Exactly, botanists Timin and Serov are aviation experts. Pilot Potapov is nothing compared to them.

                    Yes, of course, professional historians working with archives, not only ours but also German ones, are less competent than the pilot.
                    1. -3
                      12 November 2024 12: 40

                      Yes, of course, professional historians working with archives, not only ours but also German ones, are less competent than the pilot.


                      They don't even have a history education. And you still have to know how to work with archives, because documents are also a subjective thing, and not all of them end up in archives.
                      So yes, these are just grant-eaters who have hastily changed their shoes.
                    2. 0
                      12 November 2024 16: 53
                      Don't argue with skyclowns, there are plenty of Potapov's analyses there, these idiots came up with 10 to 1 and are running
                      Read about these educated specialists
                      https://vk.com/wall608419247_9835
                      https://vk.com/wall608419247_9643
                      and the most tender
                      https://vk.com/wall608419247_9552
                      https://vk.com/wall608419247_9449
                      1. +2
                        12 November 2024 16: 59
                        Thanks for the links. I forgot to mention Gorbach, he is also a very respected aviation historian.
                      2. 0
                        12 November 2024 17: 00
                        well, there was just one with "knowledge of history, in the profile" who couldn't find the references in Gorbach's book, infogypsies as they are
                      3. -1
                        12 November 2024 20: 45
                        Thanks for the links. I forgot to mention Gorbach, he is also a very respected aviation historian.


                        Dear where, among the same couch aviators like you? Guys, how funny you are. lol
                      4. 0
                        13 November 2024 09: 06
                        yeah, they're all couch potatoes, but you have the right fighterbomber))) he's such a troublemaker and short-sighted
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                  2. +2
                    12 November 2024 12: 30
                    what do pilots and historians have to do with it? different things, timin is really recognized by the majority in the history of WWII aviation
                    1. +4
                      12 November 2024 12: 42
                      Timin is really recognized by the majority in the history of WWII aviation

                      That's what I think too, but some people think that if he's a pilot, then he's more authoritative in the history of aviation.
                    2. -4
                      12 November 2024 12: 46
                      what do pilots and historians have to do with it? different things, timin is really recognized by the majority in the history of WWII aviation


                      Sorry, but the issue cannot be resolved by a simple majority here. You have to be a pro here, understand the essence of the issue. A thousand housewives will not argue with the opinion of one pilot.
                      1. +4
                        12 November 2024 12: 52
                        Why should they argue? Timin is a historian of WWII aviation, he doesn't argue how to fly a plane? And a pilot who knows how to fly but doesn't understand history at all
                      2. -4
                        12 November 2024 12: 59
                        Why should they argue? Timin is a historian of WWII aviation, he doesn't argue how to fly a plane? And a pilot who knows how to fly but doesn't understand history at all


                        So it's not about history, but about tactics, strategy, combat work. Do you think he understands this?
                        Have you even read what this "historian" said about the same I-16?
                        And here's what a real pilot who fought on it says.

                      3. +2
                        12 November 2024 13: 55
                        It has long been recognized that the real history of the Great Patriotic War and the stories of front-line soldiers are completely different things, heaven and earth
                      4. -1
                        12 November 2024 20: 50
                        It has long been recognized that the real history of the Great Patriotic War and the stories of front-line soldiers are completely different things, heaven and earth


                        Who recognized it, you? Or the grant-eating boys whose job it is to denigrate the Red Army/KA?
                        What can I say specifically about this video?
                      5. 0
                        13 November 2024 09: 03
                        he does not denigrate the Red Army/KA, listen to his lectures
                        and according to the video, there are plenty of them, but in reality, many events did not happen as they say
                      6. -1
                        13 November 2024 10: 39
                        he does not denigrate the Red Army/KA, listen to his lectures


                        Not only listened, but also did analysis. And also take part in the creation of other videos, where we expose lies.

                        and according to the video, there are plenty of them, but in reality, many events did not happen as they say


                        What??? Are there plenty of videos where real frontline pilots talk about their combat work?
                        You are talking.
                      7. 0
                        13 November 2024 11: 18
                        listen to Drabkin, he has collected a large collection of interviews with front-line soldiers
                      8. -1
                        13 November 2024 11: 23
                        listen to Drabkin, he has collected a large collection of interviews with front-line soldiers


                        You don't wiggle your ass and don't go off to the side. The question was specific - whose words should be trusted, the front-line pilot Sergei Dolgush, or the botanist Mishka Timin?
                      9. -1
                        13 November 2024 11: 40
                        of course to the historian Timin
                      10. -1
                        13 November 2024 18: 06
                        of course to the historian Timin


                        Bravo Nastya. I even applaud you for your honesty. Yes
                        You have demonstrated a wonderful example of Vlasov ideology.
                        Although, I have long noticed, scratch any modern jingoist, and a Germanophile, a Lokotets, a Grant-maker, anyone will come up, but there will be no Soviet person there.
                        Yes, I took a screenshot of our conversation. It was very revealing.
                      11. +1
                        14 November 2024 07: 50
                        Is Timin a Vlasovite?))))))) Everything is clear with you, keep flying in the clouds, and these historians are included in educational programs
                      12. -1
                        17 November 2024 20: 36
                        Is Timin a Vlasovite?)))))))


                        The same as you. What's surprising? After all, for you it is this grant-eater who is a guru, not a hero pilot.

                        and these historians are already included in educational programs


                        Is this an indicator? In capitalist Russia, even the mausoleum is hidden in plywood on May 9 and memorial plaques to Mannerheim are unveiled with a ceremonial march.

                        So what's surprising? Germanophiles, Vlasovites and anti-Sovietists, brothers forever.
                      13. +1
                        13 November 2024 10: 51
                        Have you flown an I-16, La-5 or Il-2?
                        Did you work at the headquarters of the Red Army Air Forces?
                      14. -2
                        13 November 2024 11: 11
                        Have you flown an I-16, La-5 or Il-2?
                        Did you work at the headquarters of the Red Army Air Forces?


                        I flew Mi-2, Mi-8, Mi-24. I participated in combat operations, I have the necessary knowledge, so I have a good idea of ​​what it is like in the sky. The work of the Mi-24 is not much different from the Il-2.
                        He was also involved in office work, albeit at the regimental level.
                        And what about people like Timin, Kiselev, and you? Nothing at all, absolute zero.
                        By the way, your method is not new; you might as well claim that you can discuss piloting the Mi-9 with me on equal terms just because I have never flown this type either. lol
                      15. 0
                        13 November 2024 12: 13
                        That is, you didn’t work at the Red Army headquarters and didn’t fly the I-16, so what kind of specialist are you then, Mommy?
                      16. -2
                        13 November 2024 17: 57
                        That is, you didn’t work at the Red Army headquarters and didn’t fly the I-16, so what kind of specialist are you then, Mommy?


                        Naturally, against the background of Sergei Dolgush, I will look much paler.
                        Well, here's the thing, you, along with all the Timins and Kiselyovs, never studied anywhere, never flew, never fought, and never worked with documents. You're nobodies. Yes
                      17. -1
                        14 November 2024 18: 49
                        You didn’t fly on the I16, did you work with the documents of the Red Army headquarters for many years?
                        No, then you are a complete waste of space, but you traded your combat experience and officer's honor for clowns. Well, you are finishing your life's journey perfectly, well done.
                      18. -2
                        17 November 2024 20: 39
                        You didn’t fly on the I16, did you work with the documents of the Red Army headquarters for many years?
                        No, then you are a complete waste of space, but you traded your combat experience and officer's honor for clowns. Well, you are finishing your life's journey perfectly, well done.


                        It's not for you, boy, about officer's honor speakYou earn it first, get away from your mother's skirt.
                  3. 0
                    12 November 2024 19: 14
                    There is also Oleg Kiselev, with his great knowledge. laughing
                    1. -2
                      12 November 2024 20: 58
                      There is also Oleg Kiselev, with his great knowledge laughing


                      Oh yeah, this school teacher is quite the specialist. laughing A big fan of annoying personal messages.
                      But the worst thing is that the Timinsky-Morozovsky-Kiselyov brothers do not hesitate to engage in counterfeiting.
                      This is what Kiselev presented as a document (act) for writing off an aircraft, allegedly TB-3.
                      Allegedly, because the so-called act (drum roll) does not indicate the type of aircraft. laughing
                      And the entire act of writing off the four-engine machine is one page of handwritten text. wassat
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                      5. +1
                        14 November 2024 19: 12
                        This is the act of writing off the aircraft, yes, it is original, it is in the archive, there is an archival seal on the document, but a helicopter pilot of the sect of flying clowns, known in a narrow circle, believes that this is a fake
                        Of course there is nothing about any loops in the text. You can see for yourself
                        https://vk.com/wall608419247_7633
                      6. +1
                        14 November 2024 20: 35
                        Why does he think it's a fake? There is info on the net, it seems to be about this plane. 22123 M-17 #22 no 123 1932 USSR 3rd TBAP lost 17.01.40.
                        The number matches. The date is also right next to it. Most likely, this is it.
                      7. +1
                        14 November 2024 21: 32
                        Because they are "great aviation specialists" from a sect of clowns.
                        Ask why Lisovoy, aka Vova Rzhevsky, considers him to be such and says that he is a fake. Although you found a match between the document and information on the Internet in 5 minutes
                      8. +1
                        14 November 2024 21: 50
                        I was surprised by this "supposedly TB-3". What other plane with four engines could it be? Pe-8 or something? Such a pawn can't have the number 123.
                      9. -1
                        17 November 2024 20: 53
                        I was surprised by this "supposedly TB-3". What other plane with four engines could it be? Pe-8 or something? Such a pawn can't have the number 123.


                        So, you weren’t surprised that the aircraft type wasn’t indicated in the aircraft write-off “act”? lol
                      10. -1
                        17 November 2024 20: 51
                        Why does he think it's a fake? There is info on the net, it seems to be about this plane. 22123 M-17 #22 no 123 1932 USSR 3rd TBAP lost 17.01.40.
                        The number matches. The date is also right next to it. Most likely, this is it.


                        Have you ever seen how a plane is written off? Or do you seriously believe that one sheet of handwritten text without any seals is enough for this? lol
                        I will reveal to you a great secret, no one sends these documents to be stored in an archive. They are destroyed in the established order after they become irrelevant.
                        However, you can calculate for yourself how many aircraft were produced in the USSR and how many write-off certificates there should be in this case.
                        What amazes me is this naive belief that you can find everything in archives.
                        This is what counterfeiters take advantage of.
                      11. 0
                        19 November 2024 15: 42
                        What's the point of forging such acts, especially since the plane was actually lost? Just to prove to you that the term "crashed" was quite in use? And who are you, excuse me, that I should bother so much for you? The owner of an inflated ego?
                        And how many planes did you write off in 1939-40, that you are discussing topics about what such documents looked like then? Have you seen many of them? Maybe you studied the documentation, how it should have been drawn up? Or is this reasoning from the same opera as your stories about the "fake" order of the NKO from 09.09.42?

                        I repeat, the document has archival details, it (and a bunch of similar ones) still lies in the RGVA regardless of your ideas about how it should have been, whether such documents were transferred for storage and whether it was necessary to write TB-3 there, and not "ship". The chief engineer of the Air Force of the 9th Army, Comrade Vasily Nikolaevich Uskov, deeply and mercilessly did not care how you would imagine the process of writing off the aircraft 85 years later, he was quite satisfied with this.
                      12. +1
                        14 November 2024 19: 23
                        Of course, this is a TB-3 write-off act. And I gave Vladimir (vovochkarzhevsky) the details of its (and other similar ones for other types of aircraft) storage in the RGVA. But Vladimir continues to pretend that it is a fake. At first he talked some nonsense about the pen somehow not writing correctly, and then he just started droning on "and you prove that it is not a fake!", and was unable to formulate what exactly I need to do to prove it in response to my repeated requests.
                        And the reason is that Vladimir had recently written an article that percentages cannot be used in aviation when assessing damage, in response to which I gave him these documents. And he, as a seasoned aviation specialist, was very offended to receive such a kick from an "ordinary teacher" (although I am not a teacher at all, which Vladimir also knows).
                        These people simply cannot do without lying to prove their case. That is why they constantly lie. And even where there is no sense in it. Well, like in this case, when Vladimir for some reason lies that I write him some personal messages. Something like that.
                      13. -1
                        17 November 2024 20: 54
                        Of course, this is the act of writing off TB-3.


                        Where does it say that it is TB-3? lol
                      14. -1
                        14 November 2024 18: 27
                        If I'm not mistaken, it was he who wrote that an airplane needs powerful engines to make a loop. fool
                      15. 0
                        15 November 2024 10: 49
                        I wrote that the DB-3 could not do a loop. Knowledgeable people (Vladimir could not explain why) explained to me that in theory it could. I told Vladimir that I was wrong about that. Although there are no examples of DB-3s doing a loop. What did I do wrong? And what claims do you have against my knowledge?
                      16. -1
                        17 November 2024 21: 03
                        I wrote that the DB-3 could not do a loop. Knowledgeable people (Vladimir could not explain why) explained to me that in theory it could. I told Vladimir that I was wrong about that.


                        And why couldn't it? Can you provide a justification? Aerodynamic, strength. lol

                        Although there are no examples of a dead loop being made on the DB-3.


                        First, I made a prototype of the machine.
                        Secondly, it is correct to say that there are no recorded examples.
                        Thirdly, it is only for a school teacher that a dead loop is something impossible. In fact, there is nothing special about it, even the light transport aircraft An-2 performs it. Yes
                      17. +1
                        19 November 2024 15: 01
                        First of all, I didn't. I made TsKB-26, not TsKB-30.
                        Secondly, call it whatever you want. You can't give an example.
                        Thirdly, probably. If I go to work as a school teacher, I will definitely tell you what their views are on loops.
                      18. +1
                        19 November 2024 15: 04
                        "And why couldn't it? Can you provide a justification for this? Aerodynamic, strength."

                        What word in the phrase "People who know (Vladimir couldn't explain why he couldn't) explained to me that in theory he could. I told Vladimir that I was wrong about that" prevents you from understanding its meaning?
                        Tell me better, why is the order of the People's Commissariat of Defense of the USSR No. 0685 of 09.09.1942 "On establishing the concept of a combat sortie for fighters" in your "expert" opinion a fake?)))
      2. +1
        15 November 2024 01: 36
        Unlike Germany, we didn't have "neutral" Switzerland nearby to supply Oerlikons en masse

        The Oerlikons were supplied under Lend Lease.
    3. 0
      18 November 2024 08: 06
      Quote: Konnick
      We won the Great Patriotic War not thanks to the military leadership talents of the generals, until the end of the war the German generals were able to fight better, but... resources did not allow them. By 43 we had doubled steel production compared to pre-war, tanks were produced several times more than in Germany, aircraft one and a half times more, as well as artillery guns. And now Victory will be for whose industry wins.

      We produced 4 times more tanks than the Germans, but our losses were 3 times higher. And Germany fought on 2 fronts
  13. 0
    12 November 2024 09: 27
    Author! The right topic! It's about time! The army is strong when its commanders think... and don't get a slap on the wrist for it!
  14. 0
    12 November 2024 10: 07
    Guys, stop breaking spears. Under capitalism, war is not only a continuation of politics, but also a means of earning money. That is why the troops are supplied with weapons that are not the most effective, but the production of which will bring in the greatest profit.
  15. +1
    12 November 2024 10: 14
    There is nothing surprising in the fact that there are still some stupid commanders who send troops into an attack without support, there have always been such people and unfortunately there will still be. I don't know what drives them to do such things, but the commanders pay a very high price for this, at the cost of the lives of the fighters. Such people should be demoted and sent to the front. When a relative called from the hospital and told me about such a bastard, I simply did not believe that in the 3rd year of combat operations such a thing could happen and such idiots could exist. And no punishment for them.
  16. +1
    12 November 2024 10: 35
    IMHO, another explanation.
    why everything is not as promised. and how the media is promoting itself.
    The authors carefully avoid the reality that such "non-games" are always played by several players.

    "The mutilated corpses of our fallen soldiers, civilians, and children cannot leave indifferent not only soldiers, but also officers."

    And at the beginning of the SVO they were not shy about shots of a conventional "Caliber" flying into a parking lot.
  17. +4
    12 November 2024 10: 36
    Not Lopatina, but LOPAKHINA!!! Damn, the author. I won't even read beyond this blatant screw-up!
    1. 0
      12 November 2024 12: 26
      "Errare humanum est."

      You can simply highlight the error, press Ctrl + Enter and indicate that the author is mistaken without unnecessary pathos.
  18. 0
    12 November 2024 10: 53
    As always with us from top to bottom, come on, come on, we need to, we must, everything will be, but then
  19. 0
    12 November 2024 11: 35
    The position of the army officials is unclear. The minister said, please comply. And no other way. By the way, the same applies to the charters. Everyone admits that change is needed and...


    It is easier to defeat NATO than to change its combat regulations. lol

    It took three wars (two Chechen and one Georgian) and almost 20 years to introduce the concept of a "sniper group" into the combat regulations, i.e. a sniper pair and a cover group.

    The so-called appeared free snipers
    A motorized rifle platoon is reinforced by a sniper pair, and a company by a sniper group. Formally, the pair (group) is subordinate to the platoon (company) commander. However, combined arms commanders do not supervise snipers. They indicate the area, orient the unit according to the order of actions, and mark places and objects that require special attention.

    Before that, the sniper was part of a squad and was often just a fighter armed with an SVD rifle, who had no idea about sniper work and did not know who Vasily Zaitsev was.
    1. +1
      12 November 2024 12: 23
      Quote: Comrade Beria
      Before that, the sniper was part of a squad and was often just a fighter armed with an SVD rifle, who had no idea about sniper work and did not know who Vasily Zaitsev was.

      In such conditions, you can change the regulations or the staffing schedule, but if combat training is a failure, and the sniper doesn’t hear anything about Zaitsev, then nothing will help this army.
  20. -1
    12 November 2024 11: 59
    I specifically put in the title a rather well-known phrase of Private Lopatin from the great work “They fought for the Motherland...” At first glance, it hardly corresponds to the topic that I want to touch on today.
    Doesn't correspond at all.
    Ceterum censeo Washingtago delendam esse
  21. +3
    12 November 2024 12: 19
    We will talk about those very FPV-shniks who are sent to attack aircraft. About how avoiding the solution of this problem "sets up" commanders, how the discrepancy between the standard structure of units and formations and the requirements of modern combat forces commanders to sacrifice "piecemeal" fighters for the sake of victory in one specific battle.
    Our song is good... Gritsai and Lysakovsky themselves died.
    The phrase with which I began the article is heard especially often today. Ukrainian punitive forces have already committed so many crimes against the civilian population of both Russia and Ukraine that our soldiers and commanders would be happy to become those very "Sashkas" to whom Private Lopatin addressed himself.

    The mutilated corpses of our fallen soldiers, civilians, children cannot leave indifferent not only soldiers, but also officers. Everyone wants to free our land from these scum as soon as possible. Even at the cost of their own lives, but to drive out, or better yet, drive these sadists into the ground.
    No matter how much I listened to the participants, I have never heard such black stuff about the attitude towards the enemy. This is the author's fantasy. One said: "I would kill and tear them apart. Only those who tortured the SBU in the Kharkov prison in '14." The rest, whom he has now chopped up, he sadly waved his hand.
    And here we come to the topic of drones as a new and terrible weapon for the enemy. Drones as one of the most important methods of conducting reconnaissance!
    It only just dawned on the whole colonel that what had been pouring out of every iron for 2 years now.
    But the commander does not have regular units of drone operators at his disposal! There are freelance ones, where fighters from companies and battalions are seconded.
    How many drone operators do you need to conduct aerial reconnaissance of a brigade strip? Do you need half a brigade?
    “As part of our offensive on ... in the Seversky direction, the brigade commander with the call sign ... sent the 1st, 2nd, 3rd motorized rifle battalions and the 4th tank battalion into a frontal assault without providing the soldiers with fire support.
    An unprepared attack without accompanying support was doomed to failure.
    As a result, we suffered BIG losses in tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, many soldiers killed and even more wounded.”
    The brigade commander has a reconnaissance company. If he couldn't carry it out, then either he doesn't know how, or his superior blockhead caved in.
    "In the forties of the last century, approximately the same thing happened with tanks! When tanks went from being a means of direct infantry support to separate units and formations, so that by the end of the Great Patriotic War they would once again become a means of infantry support! There was simply a division into tank formations - the main striking fists of the Red Army and tanks of fire support and cover for infantry units. Therefore, in the composition of Soviet motorized rifle divisions until the collapse of the USSR, the number of tanks was only slightly inferior to tank ones...".
    But in the Russo-Japanese War they gave us pills so that we wouldn't want a woman. So they started to act recently. You should also remember the Battle of Marathon.
    Ceterum censeo Washingtago delendam esse
  22. +3
    12 November 2024 14: 48
    The author justifies a military crime: an offensive without reconnaissance, artillery support... Want a medal? Let's have a tribunal and a sentence for such offensives, not medals!
  23. -1
    12 November 2024 15: 18
    To say that the article brought any new information, alas, it is not so!
    All Yin and Yang - living and dead!
    It is only necessary to add that your death and life also depend on your commanders. On their experience, their decisions. And at the lowest level, he is "Vanka - the company commander"! The very one who is responsible for everything before God and before the authorities. Who is obliged to raise people to attack and sees death daily, in different realities!
    I am sure that some commanders do not feel a sense of responsibility and shame for the death of soldiers and junior commanders. They need promotion, awards, money. They are not interested in the future of the families of the deceased. They themselves do not write funeral letters to their relatives, as was the case during the Great Patriotic War.
    It’s good that there is a military police, but it’s bad that SMERSH has not been restored to its 1943 duties.
    Where a soldier made a mistake and put his own life on the line, there the mistake of senior and higher officers buries hundreds and even thousands of lives.
    And responsibility, like that of doctors - a mistake in decision-making! And this commander will continue to serve in a higher position. And there are such!
    But these are my emotions!
    In fact, there is currently no way to change anything in the Russian Armed Forces.
    The army is a cross-section of society! Who can dramatically change a society that NATO countries have been ideologically processing for 30 years, hammering into our heads the "mantra" - money by any means! Money solves everything! Stealing money is possible and necessary, but only in large amounts, when one takes responsibility, but enriches the entire chain of bribe-takers. We have removed our own ideology, constitutionally, and grown on someone else's.
    The country must now go through a post-operative recovery period (if it is given such a chance), because our leadership has not yet been able to break the Russian elite, liberally directed towards consuming goods in Europe and America.
    Yin and Yang! Will we survive or fall apart?
  24. RMT
    +1
    12 November 2024 16: 01
    Two quotes:
    "..the commander, not having the opportunity to conduct high-quality reconnaissance, decides to launch an offensive against the enemy's positions..."
    "Everyone is learning. The army is changing so fast that many have already stopped noticing these changes. We can already talk about a new officer corps. About smart and proactive commanders..."
  25. 0
    12 November 2024 21: 07
    Quote: strannik1985
    That is, instead of improving communications and control, give each company a drone so that they fight exclusively for themselves?

    And drones and light ground transport, their own platoon of rear support and a platoon of heavy infantry weapons. The company's staff should "fatten" at least twice as much. Unmanned "Gerasimovsky" companies can neither attack nor defend properly.
    1. 0
      13 November 2024 13: 53
      Quote: clou
      The deserted "Gerasimovsky" companies can neither attack nor defend properly.

      There is a drone war going on now. The one who has more of them and who uses them wisely will be able to inflict more damage on the enemy. It makes sense to attack when the enemy's manpower is destroyed and the survivors have lost the will to resist in anticipation of imminent death from a drone. In theory, at the present stage, the infantry simply protects UAV operators and artillerymen from saboteurs.
  26. 0
    13 November 2024 15: 05
    Dear mother, as a character from a famous soap opera used to say. How familiar it all is, to the point of making my teeth ache. Now they will carry papers around the offices, all these approvals, shake-ups, for people who have only seen a machine gun on TV. No, bureaucracy will not be eradicated, just like corruption angry
  27. 0
    13 November 2024 18: 21
    the battalion commander must go into attack with the battalion, then reconnaissance will be at the proper level and there will be fire cover, okay, not in the first BBM, but not at the end either
  28. 0
    13 November 2024 21: 03
    There is only one conclusion from all this, it is bad when in a country a shoemaker bakes pies, and a pieman sharpens boots, so it turns out that we have been heroically liberating the Kursk region for the fourth month already, and winter has already begun, if anyone is not aware. Our problem is not in drones, the problem is that the army, our armed forces were not ready for such a massive and world war, everything is not ready, starting from the material and technical support, combat tactics, preparation of a mobilization trained reserve, means of information work with the population, preparation of officers and sergeants, the military-industrial complex. What the author writes about is the tip of the iceberg of the glaring problems of our armed forces. An article for the average person. These problems are being solved poorly, slowly, and the main problem is where to get and find so many trained soldiers and commanders, because they don’t show up on command today and now, and you’re talking about drones and pay.
  29. 0
    15 November 2024 19: 50
    One can discuss this topic endlessly, but it is much more difficult to express it concisely and convincingly. I believe that until “someone” (without pointing a finger) understands that in order to conduct military operations victoriously, it is necessary to at least take into account the constantly changing rules of modern warfare, the Russian army will face difficult trials. After all, war also has its own dialectic. And the greatly belated recognition of the need to develop, adopt and use UAVs in combat in the Russian Armed Forces is just proof of this.
  30. 0
    15 November 2024 21: 06
    "The authors of the message, "on emotions," put all the blame on the brigade commander. There is some truth in this. The brigade's reconnaissance did not work as it should. The desire to win and liberate the village won over sober calculation. But why did this happen?..."

    Because the desire to repeat was not supported by information about the possibility and probability of repetition.
    But whoever ends up in the place of the decision maker, there is a high probability that he either missed the right moment to start, or started too early.
    This concerns politics, economics, military conflicts, and personal life.
    And let's call everyone who decided something ten years ago not smart enough today? Today we know.
    Sorry for the sarcasm!
  31. 0
    16 November 2024 17: 16
    "What should a commander do in such a situation? Go on the assault with "truncated" units in practice, but full strength on paper, or return those assigned to their units?" Take the pistol out of the holster and personally lead the attack. Maybe then he will understand where he is sending people.
  32. 0
    17 November 2024 00: 46
    Unfortunately, we still have quite a lot of commanders who do not recognize technical innovations. They make decisions in the old-fashioned way based on intelligence (rarely), visual, reconnaissance and the most dangerous, reconnaissance in force. Here, the factor of fast and correct decision-making plays a big role. Here, the 2nd assault on Grozny (2nd company) is a good experience, but the Wahhabis did not have reconnaissance drones. Now, much depends on the correct use of technical means of detection and target designation, plus direct destruction (FPV). It is understandable when a commander throws a UAV operator who has misbehaved into an assault. But to strengthen assault groups with UAV specialists. I CONSIDER IT A CRIME. - demote and assault.
  33. 0
    19 November 2024 13: 19
    Guys, let's be more careful with our expressions, otherwise the phrase
    This especially applies to Russians from our historical territories who are liberating

    it clearly follows that the author does not consider Kiev, Chernihiv, Slobozhanshchina, etc. to be our historical territories. Whose then?