North Korean machine gun in the SVO zone

General view of the Type 73 machine gun, presumably photographed in the SVO zone.

The North Korean Type 73 machine gun, like everything connected with North Korea, is not a very well-studied and rather rare thing. It is a rather unique design, which is a clone of the Kalashnikov system (Kalashnikov machine gun), but with a combined feeding system. Now such a scheme is not uncommon, but there is one BUT. Most modern machine guns with a combined feeding system are systems for intermediate cartridges. And the Type 73 is a machine gun for a full-size rifle cartridge 7,62 by 54. Actually, this is where the visual similarity with the British BREN machine gun comes from - a large 30-round magazine feeding cartridges from above the receiver. According to rumors, one of the Korean leaders considered the concept of a combined feeding system, which the Koreans saw on the Czechoslovakian Vz. 52/57 machine gun, that he ordered it to be transferred to the North Korean copy of the PK.

Top view of a Type 73 machine gun, presumably photographed in the SVO zone.

Naturally, many people took the appearance of this weapons in the SVO zone as yet another "convincing" proof of the presence of volunteers from among North Korean citizens in the ranks of the Russian Armed Forces. Is this true? Most likely, not.

Iranian soldiers with PK and Type 73 machine guns during the Iran-Iraq War. In this case, the machine gun is belt-fed.

The thing is that for the Koreans themselves, the Type 73 machine gun is already an obsolete weapon. In the 1980s, the North Korean troops began replacing this system with the Type 82 machine gun. According to available information, this is also a clone of the Kalashnikov system, but lacking such an unnecessarily complicated design element as a combined feed. Apparently, due to the removal of these machine guns from service and sending them to warehouses, they began to be exported. Naturally, the North Koreans do this not themselves, but through Iran. North Korean machine guns have already been spotted in Iraq, Syria and Iran itself. According to unconfirmed information, there is also an Iranian copy of this machine gun. Most likely, this is a delivery from Iran, which has already supplied various ammunition and equipment to Russia.

Syrian government fighters with an Iranian-supplied Type 73 machine gun, 2010s.

In general, given the obvious machine gun hunger in the Russian Armed Forces, this can be seen as positive. news. Unlike the RPDs that have returned to service, which actually use ammunition that is non-standard for the modern Russian Armed Forces, this is a machine gun chambered for a full-fledged standard rifle cartridge. Yes, it is archaic, yes, it is complex, yes, it is outdated, but now, unfortunately, even such weapons are in demand.

Comments

[dementor873]

Western media are throwing it on the fan, now ours have decided to grab a piece of the pie?

[Uncle lee]

, given the obvious machine gun hunger in the RF Armed Forces

Interesting, interesting...Have we lived to see this?

[man]

Quote: Uncle Lee

, given the obvious machine gun hunger in the RF Armed Forces

Interesting, interesting...Have we lived to see this?

Wow... there's a lot of news that makes your jaw drop...

[saigon]

Yeah, about the rifle cartridge for this machine gun, that's really interesting. The magazine isn't for a rifle cartridge. The curve is like a regular machine gun one. But it'll be a pain to load a rifle cartridge with a bezel, but 30 rifle cartridges won't fit.

[smart fellow]

30 rifles however will not fit

Everything confirms that the author is right.

The Type 73 machine gun, chambered for the 7,62mm Russian rifle cartridge, was adopted by the Korean People's Army in 1973...
https://www.kalashnikov.ru/tip-73-severokorejskij-pulemyot-na-ukraine/

The 7,62 mm Type 73 machine gun is a North Korean light machine gun. It was adopted by the DPRK army in 1973.
Cartridge 7,62 × 54 mm R
https://tinyurl.com/2yo6rwxz

7,62 mm rifle and machine gun cartridges 7,62×54, a type of combat and auxiliary cartridges for firing from general-purpose machine guns and sniper rifles
https://bigenc.ru/c/7-62-mm-vintovochno-pulemiotnye-patrony-7-62x54-eeeaf1

[Alex_1973]

smart fellow (Spectator)
30 rifles however will not fit
Everything confirms that the author is right.

What confirms it? Where will they not enter? The author posts a Ukrainian fake about some mythical machine gun famine and other nonsense. For the especially gifted, both we and the Koreans (northern) have the same calibers. Accordingly, the cartridge is the same 7,62×54 mm R. Yongnip is a cartridge for the Mosin, Maxim machine gun, etc. This cartridge is more than 130 years old. And these cartridges, to hell, both we and the Skakuas have.

P.S. I can add that the most in short supply were the 45-round RPK magazines. They were really chasing us and there were very few of them. I don't know where they went, but they were in short supply for us.

[smart fellow]

What does it confirm? Where will they not enter?

You read more carefully.
"30 rifles however will not enter" is a comment Saigon (Victor)
I have provided evidence that these cartridges are used in the machine gun. Otherwise, you are like in the joke: the Chukchi is not a reader, the Chukchi is a writer.

[Alex_1973]

I don't understand what the problem is and why these cartridges can't fit into a machine gun magazine, even for 30 rounds. Excuse me, have you seen a magazine for an SVD? It's also kind of crooked, and if you can fit 10 rounds into it, then why can't you make a magazine for 30 rounds? What's the problem?

[smart fellow]

On the contrary, I wrote that this is a standard cartridge for this machine gun.

[Alex_1973]

Well then, I'm sorry, I misunderstood you.

[saigon]

So the letter R just indicates that the cartridge is rimmed. The magazine in the picture will not hold 30 rounds, even because it is for rimless cartridges. On the Mosin cartridge, to put it mildly, there were difficulties with loading the clips of the SVT and AVS and failures due to careless loading of the magazine.

[smart fellow]

I gave you 2 sources as proof:
The magazine "KALASHNIKOV" has been published since November 1999 and is the official printed publication of the Union of Russian Gunsmiths. From 1997 to 1999, the magazine was published under the name "Gun. Weapons and Ammunition".
И
Wikipedia article.

[saigon]

So, they started developing rimless cartridges because of the disgusting work of rimmed cartridges in clips. Remember how to drive cartridges from dies into the magazine of a Kalashnikov. But rimmed cartridges in a clip have a lot of freedom in the axes, both lateral and vertical, and that's the problem.

[IVZ]

So the letter R just indicates that the cartridge is rimmed. The magazine in the picture will not hold 30 cartridges, even because it is for rimless cartridges.

What is the difference in appearance between magazines for rimmed and rimless cartridges? The most famous machine gun of the 2nd World War, the British "Bren" for the rimmed cartridge .303 British had a magazine for 30 rounds of similar dimensions. And about the machine gun famine, unfortunately, this may be true. I don't know about the Kalashnikov concern, but the native machine gun "ZiD" is not coping with the production program, unfortunately.

[wlkw]

Quote: Alex_1973

What is the problem?

Yes, it is possible to make a magazine for 30 and 50 rounds. And they did and do. But there is a problem, magazines that hold more than 15 rounds cease to meet the reliability requirements. All because the rim of the magazine has a curved shape, it is not even a sector of a circle, it is a snail. In general, no one has yet managed to make a magazine for a rimmed cartridge for 30 pieces, so that it would be as reliable as the Kalashnikov assault rifle. Maximum - 15 pieces, no more.

[wlkw]

In the Korean version, the clip is inserted from above, i.e. a "spring-gravity" cartridge feed is implemented here, which somewhat increases the overall reliability of the system. However, a vertical magazine on top is also an archaic solution, which is almost never used. I.e., they are trying to fix one drawback with another drawback. A so-so solution.

[combat192]

You should decide: a clip or a magazine. These are different things.
As for this machine gun in this version, it has a magazine.

[IVZ]

Look at the materials on the Bren machine gun. It's an absolutely reliable unit, and the use of gravitational forces is complete nonsense. Machine guns shoot at air targets and on the move. And give a hint to anyone who hasn't managed to make a magazine for such ammunition for more than 15 rounds. Such magazines simply weren't developed because of their weight and dimensions. Well, they weren't needed.

[wlkw]

Quote: IVZ

and the use of gravitational forces is complete nonsense

I'll surprise you now, although it's very strange, we are on Military Review...
Read.
https://topwar.ru/235815-vintovka-manlihera-s-gravitacionnym-magazinom-i-vintovka-s-pachechnym-zarjazhaniem.html?ysclid=m3c9qayng6699792135

[IVZ]

Thanks for the information, but that's not the case. Then we tried it and were convinced. And since then, in my opinion, only the 14.5 mm tank insert shooter uses this principle, and automatic weapons are tested for operability under any evolutions with it.

[IVZ]

Now it dawned on me (I couldn't open the link), I remembered, In this rifle, the cartridges were loaded directly together with the clip, the cartridges were fed by a regular spring-loaded feeder from this clip (well, a pack, if you like), but after the cartridges were used up, the empty clip fell out through the hole in the magazine cover under the influence of gravity. This had nothing to do with the feed. Blagonravov has a description of the design

[wlkw]

https://topwar.ru/235815-vintovka-manlihera-s-gravitacionnym-magazinom-i-vintovka-s-pachechnym-zarjazhaniem.html?ysclid=m3c9qayng6699792135

Select this link, then right-click on it, and select "follow link" from the menu. This is how it works for me.

P.S. And the design there is completely different.

[IVZ]

Looked. Mm-yes. Most likely, they did it this way precisely to have the ability to continuously refill the magazine. Moreover, the cutouts on the sides make it possible to assist gravity with the shooter's brute muscle power. In my opinion, such a solution can only be used at the dawn of the development of magazine rifles. But it is informative. Very much so.

[wlkw]

I recommend a popular channel about weapons, hosted by an active designer, our friend, but lives in America. Sometimes I watch selectively.
https://www.youtube.com/@KonstantinKonev

[nepunamemuk]

Well, so what?
long known
the life of a machine gunner on LBS is eight seconds

[Shelest2000]

It was included in Madsen's store, but it's not included here, right?
But the data of the machine gun under the Russian rifle cartridge: 7,62 × 54R. Barrel length - 590 mm. The initial speed of the 9,6-gram bullet - 797 m / s. Weight with bipod - 9,2 kg. Length - 1120 mm. Magazine capacity - cartridge 25 or 33. The rate of fire - 420 shots per minute. Aim range - 1707 m.

[Chief Officer Lom]

Quote: saigon

30 rifles however will not fit

Please note the thickness of the magazine.

[Alex_1973]

I'm really curious, where did you get the info about the machine gun famine in the Russian Armed Forces? I personally didn't see any famine. Yes, there were no Pechenegs, but we had no problems with the PKM and RPK. There was one Utes, but there were no snails or sights for it. I didn't see any Kordovs either, I won't lie.
There is a slightly different problem here, if you have picked up a PKM, SVD, RPG, AGS and so on, then for the enemy you are initially the number one target. And if your prone position is discovered, then everything that can and even what cannot be will fly at you. Even tanks worked against a sniper, not to mention mortars and everything else.

[Serg koma]

Quote: Alex_1973

where did you get the info from?

Who would know from which side of the line the photos were taken, and whether they were taken in the European part at all. There are absolutely no facts/data/introductions (except for the photos and performance characteristics)...
VO moderators - don't let the ducks out of the pen.

[Alex_1973]

That's the problem, it's all far-fetched. And the author has absolutely no information. I've seen 82nd mines with hieroglyphs, I've held them in my hands, but I've never come across such exclusives. Although I've seen Mosinkas, Degtyarevs, and Dashkas, but mostly as trophies. Although I'll repeat, Mosinka IS A REAL THING, especially in skilled hands!

[Serg koma]

Quote: Alex_1973

Mosinka IS A REAL THING

I agree 100%, no matter who sings the praises of Mauser, OURS is better and more familiar

[Knell wardenheart]

I think this bullet thing will kill no worse than other bullet things.

[alexmach]

Interesting, interesting...Have we lived to see this?

What do you mean we've lived to see this? It's been a long time since then. I think they started talking about the "machine gun famine" about a year ago. There's also a severe shortage of machine guns, and for a long time now. The article even mentions RPDs. And in the video, even DP/DPMs were seen

[Monster_Fat]

Is it unpleasant to read such things? And how pleasant it is to hear only about "having no analogues", "our best of everything", "our boys have everything in abundance", "the enemy's losses are 1-5 and even 1-10", "the enemy has only old stuff", etc., right?

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: Monster_Fat

"unparalleled", "our best of everything", "our boys have everything in abundance"

Working 30-round sector magazine for 7,62*54R. The machine gun was created in North Korea based on the Czechoslovakian Vz.52 from the 50s, in fact this weapon was created based on the experience of the 40s. Khinzirs with DP-27 run around and nothing.

[Dart]

Yes, it’s unpleasant... But your banter is not needed either.

[poquello]

Quote: Monster_Fat

Is this unpleasant to read?

this is to the author Sychev, what did he lack - the brains or the time to read about the cartridge itself?, he himself only knows, firstly - there are many of them, secondly - there are many special ones, thirdly - they are still being produced

[Prokop_Pork]

There were 17 million AKs of various modifications in Russian warehouses. But how did this machine gun famine happen? And what are the factories doing? News from the Kalashnikov concern is only about some new crap.

[Belisarius]

Quote: Prokop_Svinin

But how did this happen with the machine gun famine?

Exactly the same as with everything else. In reality, our own production is very small (not repairs and de-preservation of old equipment), equipment consumption is high, and Soviet reserves are running out after more than 30 years.

[Alexey Lantukh]

It is very likely that the efficient managers sold off most of the small arms.

[Oleg Fedechkin]

So what should we do now???

[Alexey Lantukh]

Use everything possible, including Korean machine guns, and in defense, "Maxims". That's life.

[futurohunter]

Don't go to the max. 404s use them.
The machine gun is very good, it was in service for more than 50 years... If it weren't for the shortcomings that make it outdated:
1.Large mass
2.Non-replaceable barrel
3. Water cooling (although this can be a plus, especially in snowy winter)
4. Exclusively milled parts
5. The same long rifle cartridge with a rim

[Alexey Lantukh]

If it weren't for the shortcomings that make it outdated:

[Quote] [/ quote]
Of course they are. But, in defense it is quite possible, of course, in addition to the standard weapons. But, it also has advantages: a rifle bullet is a heavy bullet, therefore it flies far and has more energy, probably more than a 5,45 bullet. And a non-replaceable barrel: when it wears out, it is melted down.

[futurohunter]

Definitely more! A long rifle cartridge also contains more gunpowder, so the initial speed of the bullet will be higher than that of a similar "intermediate" cartridge.
The advantages are not limited to this.
Modern air-cooled machine guns have replaceable barrels because they overheat. On the Maximka, if there is a sufficient supply of water, you can simply pour it into the casing and shoot almost without a break, as long as there are cartridges. In snowy winter, the casing is simply filled with snow, and the hot water is drained.
The milled mechanism and small number of parts make the machine gun extremely reliable and trouble-free.
Therefore, it is precisely as a stationary weapon - in fortifications or on heavy vehicles - that it is almost an ideal weapon. The main thing is that there are enough cartridges, because the main ones for troops are still intermediate cartridges.

[smart fellow]

In reality, our own production is very small.

When the AK-12 topic was promoted, it turned out that it could not be produced in the required quantities. There is old Soviet equipment and much is done manually, not by industrial robots, for example. With the current tax and economic policy, many do not want to invest in the means of production.
They once told a funny story. One private entrepreneur, who managed to make a little money during the privatization, decided to invest in a fish factory for red fish, which, as is known, always returns home. In this case, the fish is fattened somewhere in the southern seas, and the costs are only for breeding. After 2 years, the fish swam back as expected, but he was told that he had to buy quotas for catching fish. Having calculated the costs, he simply closed the factory.

[Bayun]

They say there is a problem with special steels for barrels. And the Westerners did a good job there in the 90s, breaking the technological chains.

[Oleg Fedechkin]

And the missiles also ran out in 22. Now Russia has also run out of machine guns.

[Ionescu Popa]

you know how hard is to supply both the Russian and the Ukrainian armies from the Russian warehouses?

[Prokop_Pork]

Probably more difficult than from Iran.

[Alekseev]

"But how did this happen with the machine gun famine?"
And this came out of the mouths of scribblers.
I have to talk about something, right? Some photo of a machine gun and the verbiage starts...
PK, PKM, SGM and their tank variants SGMT and PKT were produced for more than half a century, did everything go to scrap metal?
And even now modernized ones are on stream
models, Cord, etc.

[Oleg Fedechkin]

Machine gun hunger, in the author's head and in the wet dreams of Ukraine.

[tagil]

17 million, so 17. Let me explain to you and to all the whiners in your person what a mobilization reserve of weapons is. In the event of war, the state plans to call up a certain number of people to the army, who will be part of regiments, divisions and armies. To arm them, weapons reserves are created according to the staffing of the units being created. A platoon is supposed to have three machine guns, three RPGs and 21 automatic weapons. By the way, the mobilization reserve includes everything that is supposed to be in the unit being created, guns, mortars, tanks, radios, ammunition, vehicles, etc. When you have time, you can calculate how many millions of machine guns there are for 17 million automatic weapons, then "distribute" all of this to the mobilized 300-hundred thousand and calculate how many are still left in the warehouses. In general, you will have enough when I call you up.

[Vita vko]

 given the obvious machine gun hunger in the RF Armed Forces

An interesting conclusion from one photo of an outdated North Korean machine gun. What is especially interesting is that in the photo it is simply lying on the grass and there are no soldiers or local situation nearby. And it is logical that it would be impossible to connect it to reality. Otherwise, even the dumbest reader with the brainwashed Bandera propaganda will have questions about this fake. After all, the invigorating fakes of the Ukrainian Armed Forces that Russia has run out of missiles have not worked for a long time. Now we have "run out" of machine guns.

[Coward]

Judging by the comments above, not everyone had questions about this fake. I won't say anything about the stupidity.
P.S. And it looks like the article was written for this statement.

[Vadim_2]

It's a fake for you, but others eat it up. :))

[Oleg Fedechkin]

Well, it’s clear that you don’t get hryvnias in Ukraine for nothing.

[Belisarius]

Our greatest patriot Z. Prilepin spoke most accurately about the real role of the DPRK: “We can do everything, everything in the world, but if it weren’t for North Korea’s help in 2023, our front would have crumbled.”
Thank you, our highly developed socialist brothers.

[Coward]

Prilepin is the biggest patriot?!!

[Belisarius]

Quote: Coward

Prilepin is the biggest patriot?!!

Actually, it's ironic. However, there is a grain of truth in every joke - co-chairman of the Fair Russia party, member of the ONR headquarters, holder of the Order of Courage, and so on, so on, so on. What could be more patriotic...
Of course, he is not such a great patriot as Shoigu, Timur Ivanov and other different Puziki, but still...

[your1970]

Quote: Belisarius

A Just Russia, member of the ONR headquarters, holder of the Order of Courage, and so on, so on, so on. What could be more patriotic...

There was such a patriot Zykina - but for some reason left for the decaying West at the first opportunity.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Coward

Prilepin is the biggest patriot?!!

His role in the development of patriotism is much greater than that of Solovyov and his company of Nightingale Trills.
They didn't blow up Prilepin for no reason. And he didn't lose his leg for no reason.
His words are more important than those of the state, in many ways for the people.

[Amateur]

Prilepin has been doing nothing but harm to Russia with his statements lately. "The copper pipes" "went to his head", so he's talking all sorts of * (a word banned in VO, a synonym for "blizzard")

[Havoc]

Quote: Belisarius

Our greatest patriot Z. Prilepin spoke most accurately about the real role of the DPRK: “We can do everything, everything in the world, but if it weren’t for North Korea’s help in 2023, our front would have crumbled.”
Thank you, our highly developed socialist brothers.

And has our economy been converted to a military footing? Ukraine is supplied with weapons by the world's leading economies, but even they cannot fully provide them with, for example, 155-caliber shells. So no, there is nothing shameful in the fact that S. Korea supplies us with shells, for example.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Belisarius

our greatest patriot Z. Prilepin

He also hung out with Navalny.

[Chack wessel]

Well, since photos are involved, I'll add them too. :)

[Chack wessel]

Do you recognize the characters in the photo? :)

[Alexey RA]

A protocol meeting with opposition leaders is undoubtedly the same as participating in a rally and drinking.

[Chack wessel]

That's exactly it, it's not the same. :)

[c real]

The Russian Federation has enough machine guns for 2-3 days.

[Prokop_Pork]

It happens that in 2-3 days the new one is completely destroyed.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote from C-Real

The Russian Federation has enough machine guns for 2-3 days.

Outdated information. Since after Trump's victory many guns were shot, there really was only 20-30 minutes left....

[Coward]

In general, given the obvious machine gun hunger in the RF Armed Forces

We are urgently waiting for the collection of machine guns. Apparently, the cream has already been skimmed off from the drones FPV.

[Dutchman Michel]

Machine gun famine in the Russian Armed Forces

Perestroika, new thinking, market reforms, getting up off our knees. Here's the end result

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Yeah, we've come to this. Machine guns are in short supply. We need to introduce machine gun coupons into the Armed Forces. Oh well. We'll survive. The main thing is that the Ministry of Defense deputies didn't need palaces...

[Stepnyak]

After reading the article, it somehow completely missed the point whether the Koreans showed up at LBS or not. But the machine gun hunger... Some sadness immediately settled in my soul. Apparently, I won't get a small house in the Marseille region of the Russian Federation.

[Mazunga]

It would be a good idea to ask comrade Booth where he got the heavenly apples for his business))) why does Mali have a PC and we have type 73 ...also have one

[Andrey VOV]

A poor article, it's unclear where the photos were taken, lies, machine gun hunger... Who are you, author, and where do you get your thoughts from?

[certero]

Where did the author get the idea about the "machine gun famine" in Russia?

[Prokop_Pork]

What can the RPD phenomenon indicate? A rematch over the PC and RPK?

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: certero

Where did the author get the idea about the "machine gun famine" in Russia?

The manual said to speak like this, so that's what he says.

[Adren]

In general, given the obvious machine gun hunger in the Russian Armed Forces, this can be considered positive news.

I wonder, on the basis of what data the author decided that the Russian Armed Forces are suffering from a machine gun "hunger". Did he personally check the units for machine guns?

[oldzek]

I read all the comments and it didn't get through to me...what are our guys doing now, with Mosin rifles or Berdan rifles?

[Alex_1973]

Worse, with the Karamultuks... In fact, the Mosinka is a thing , I had a chance to shoot it myself. As well as the Maxim machine gun. The only question is how to use it.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Alex_1973

Worse, with the Karamultuks... In fact, the Mosinka is a thing , I had a chance to shoot it myself. As well as the Maxim machine gun. The only question is how to use it.

Only in modern warfare, the role of the Mosin rifle is negative.

[Nikolaevich I]

Alas! No one here takes into account the situation when the North Koreans could have asked Putin to give them the opportunity to test (check) North Korean weapons in real combat conditions! And the assumption: "We don't have enough of this!" is useless here!

[Cartographer]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

test (check) North Korean weapons in real combat conditions

It is also written there that this machine gun is already obsolete and is being replaced by another one. What is the point of checking a machine gun that is being removed from service?

[Nikolaevich I]

I do not share the "optimism" of the author of the article...

[svp67]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Nobody here takes into account the situation when the North Koreans could have asked Putin to give them the opportunity to test (check) North Korean weapons in real combat conditions!

This machine gun has been fighting for decades, why test it again? But the fact that it is for people who have studied and used it for many years is just right... Let me remind you that in the DPRK army, men have 10 years of compulsory military service...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: svp67

This machine gun has been fighting for decades, why test it again?

Actually, I mentioned "North Korean weapons" (there's a machine gun "on the side, I'll bake it"!)

[guest]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Actually, I mentioned "North Korean weapons" (there's a machine gun "on the side, I'll bake it"!)

They seem to have an analogue of the American Chimeras in the DPRK; such weapons did not hurt us on the battlefield.

[poquello]

Quote: svp67

This machine gun has been fighting for decades, why test it again?

but they are not checking him, but the Ukrainian ammunition

[mr.ZinGer]

Holy shit, what "positive" news.

[Peter Yakovlev]

Our bloggers often take all their news "without looking" from there... here it is about the "Maxim" machine guns of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and about the Korean type 73 of the Russian Armed Forces... The Russian Federation still has its own - full arsenals of small arms... (machine gun famine?) .... No, the Central Intelligence Agency had to drag the type 73 from the Arabs and take a photo against the background of fallen leaves. That's it - the sensation is ready...

[oldzek]

Bloggers are strong and fair!!! I respect that.

[Persia]

Quote: Peter Yakovlev

from the Arabs

Iranian are Persian not Arab

[Peter Yakovlev]

The article is about a type 73 machine gun from Iraq and a machine gun from Syria in the pictures...... Arabs live there. My respects...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Persia

Quote: Peter Yakovlev

from the Arabs

Iranian are Persian not Arab

Over thousands of years of wars, you all got mixed up there.
The Tumba tribe came and killed all the men and teenagers of the Yumba tribe. They raped all the women. After 15 years, the Manumba tribe went to war against the Tumba tribe, killed all the men and raped the women. After another 15 years, the already grown Tumba-Yumba attacked the Manumba, again killed the men and raped the women.
And who is now in these tribes according to genetics?
But what if you read history and know that similar wars have been going on constantly for thousands of years?

So there are no Persians in the Iranian location. They are all the same there.
Arabs...

[Persia]

Quote: SovAr238A

For thousands of years of wars, all of you are mixed up there.

by your logic we should call you a russian mongol, right? are you a mongol now?
Extensive studies of Iranian genetics show that Iranians have maintained significant genetic continuity for approximately 8000 years. A recent collaborative study involving German, Australian and Iranian universities has further confirmed that Iranian genetics have remained largely unchanged despite historical Mongol and Arab invasions.

Interestingly, while traces of Iranian DNA are present in populations in the UAE, Bahrain, Qatar and other Gulf Arab countries, which are the fair-skinned Arabs you see here and there, on the other hand, no Arab DNA has been found in the Iranian gene pool, except for Arabic-speaking Iranians who make up less than 1% of Iran's population and live around Ahvaz. This is likely due to culture

by the way, contrary to what the western media likes to tell, the process of islamization of iran took 400 years, and for the most part it was quite peaceful. iranians who didn't want to convert to islam had to pay jazy, and those who did were muslims. i don't know where you got the idea of ​​rape.
Are You Jewish? Iranian Women Were Raped, Like the Non-Existent Rapes of October 7

In comparison, Germans only 10% continuity in comparison to Iranian which are almost identical to Iranian from 3000 years ago
https://www.nature.com/articles/jhg2010174
https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1008385

[Petr_Koldunov]

Ahh... so this is proof that the DPRK army is fighting in LBS? Well, no problem... I saw burnt Bushmasters in the photos here... Am I right in thinking that the Australian Armed Forces are fighting in Ukraine?

[vadivm59]

the RPD machine gun does not use a standard cartridge? 7,62 x 39 is no longer a standard for the army?

[Wayfarer_2]

Well, let's put it this way: if there was this machine-gun hunger, it would have been satisfied long ago from trophies. Every day on the "box" they show how many trophies our guys collect from the escaped Bandar-logs at their positions.

[Havoc]

Dear author, if there really is, as you put it, a machine gun famine in the troops, then this is a state secret, so wait, Comrade Major is on his way to get you.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Havoc

Dear author, if there really is, as you put it, a machine gun famine in the troops, then this is a state secret, so wait, Comrade Major is on his way to get you.

The author does not need to wait for Comrade Major, but needs to urgently go to meet him - a sincere confession, as is known, eases the punishment and work of Comrade Major.

[Kuziming]

Could Comrade Major go and catch Zelensky?

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote from Kuziming

Could Comrade Major go and catch Zelensky?

If citizen Zelensky turns himself in, then yes, comrade major will come out to meet him...

[stankow]

The weapon is cleaned and shiny, they carefully attached the magazine (one!?), the box is freshly painted. It is unclear where they got it for the photo, but they definitely did not pick it up as a trophy.

[Oleg Fedechkin]

Author You wrote this about your Ukraine. Especially about the lack of modern machine guns in the army. Well, I have no doubt that there is a machine gun famine in Ukraine, if you use twin Maxims against geraniums.

[Parvis rasulov]

The main mistake is the assertion that this machine gun is a remake of the PK and the Czechoslovakian VZ52 machine gun, the type 73 is based on the PK machine gun and the Soviet RP 46 machine gun (type 64)

[Zaurbek]

Why does Russia have a shortage of machine guns?
The plant was working and is working, and there should have been some warehouses, and there are now more artillery battles...

[Skobaristan]

It looks like "machine gun hunger" from the same authors "the missiles are already gone". Well, from the comments here you can understand who is who.

[Alexander Mitrofanov]

Everything here is very dubious. And the industry of the DPRK is not so far behind that it can only make clones. In the late 70s, at the ship repair plant in Petrozavodsk, where I worked, almost all the machine tools were from the DPRK. And how many locomotives and ships they supplied us with then!

[Fangaro]

"Syrian government fighters with a Type 73 machine gun supplied by Iran, 2010s."
In this photo, there's one in black with a baseball cap with the inscription SWAT. Is he also a career soldier? It was impossible to buy baseball caps without the inscription?

[Fangaro]

Quote: Skobaristan

It looks like "machine gun hunger" from the same authors "the missiles are already gone". Well, from the comments here you can understand who is who.

I gave you a plus, if it matters. But your comments often cause disagreement rather than a desire to support. Write in more detail, or something. Or use brevity in some other way.

[Skobaristan]

I accidentally noticed your reply. You didn't use the correct form, the "bell" only works when you write a message using the "Reply" button. Pluses and minuses are all the same. If you didn't quite understand my comment, I can expand on it. The news about the supply of Korean machine guns sounds like it's from the authors of the news that Russia is about to run out of missiles (Ukrainian media). That is, the inability of the defense industry to produce anything. And all the commentators who started wailing here, saying that it's a shame, a shame, in my opinion, are either fighters on the enemy's information front, or incapable of critical thinking.

[Fangaro]

I wish someone could compare several different ones. With photos and comments on how they differ from each other.

[AC130 Gunship]

No, it's either a Buryat or a Yakut machine gun. Definitely not a Korean one.

[svp67]

Unlike the RPDs that have returned to service, which actually use ammunition that is non-standard for the modern Russian Armed Forces, this is a machine gun that fires a full-fledged standard rifle cartridge.

Since when did 7,62x39 suddenly become non-standard?

[guest]

Quote: svp67

Since when did 7,62x39 suddenly become non-standard?

Well, it doesn't meet NATO standards.

[svp67]

Quote: guest

Well, it doesn't meet NATO standards.

Well yes, although it is used

[Ionescu Popa]

now you want to give ideas to Belousov? im sure he would ask for your approval before sending new weapons.

[Dimhan]

The Americans transferred weapons to the Ukrainians from intercepted ships that were carrying weapons from Iran to the Houthis and other pro-Iranian groups. There were also missiles for Grads and anti-tank guns and small arms.

[gennadii]

In my opinion, this is just another fantasy; you can take a photo anywhere.

[alex aircraft]

Machine gun famine?? How do you understand this, where did the supplies from the mobilization reserve go, the weapons factories are idle, Kovrov is not working?? Or is this a rear support due to defeat? Well, we already went through this in the First World War...

[23ronin]

Another throwing of a known substance on the fan from Saloreikh, with the purpose of proving the presence of North Koreans in the SVO and an attempt to draw the West into a direct conflict with Russia. Nothing more. Somehow stupidly Selyukovsky.

[wlkw]

Quote: IVZ

and the use of gravitational forces is complete nonsense,

I'll surprise you now, although it's very strange, we are on Military Review...
Read.
https://topwar.ru/235815-vintovka-manlihera-s-gravitacionnym-magazinom-i-vintovka-s-pachechnym-zarjazhaniem.html?ysclid=m3c9qayng6699792135

[Grossvater]

Quote: saigon

To put it mildly, there were difficulties with loading the SVT and AVS magazines with the Mosin cartridge, and failures due to careless loading of the magazine.

So, clips or magazines? These are slightly DIFFERENT things.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Grossvater

So, clips or magazines? These are slightly DIFFERENT things.

Well, if my memory serves me right, the SVT has both options. Either load the unlocked magazine one round at a time, or load it using a clip directly on the rifle.

[Grossvater]

Quote: svp67

Since when did 7,62x39 suddenly become non-standard?

Since the SA switched to the 5,45x39 cartridge.

[Kuziming]

To sum up the discussion:
The machine gun is a wonderful weapon of the last century, but due to its high visibility it does not last long in modern warfare.
Put the cons.

[Kuziming]

I will expand on the opinions that have already been voiced:
1. "The machine gun is a priority target." (Like a tank).
2. "Everything that can fly, from everywhere."
The armies of developed countries use a single information display system for all participants on the battlefield. If a drone detects a target, it provides a picture to mortarmen, tanks, snipers, and attack drones.
If one of the parties has such a system, it gets an almost instant local advantage in the density of fire. Even if it is one tank, one mortar, and one attack drone.
On the other hand, if an army of a backward type has even a hundred tanks, a hundred mortars, a hundred attack drones, but they have not received a picture of the target with coordinates, then they will only create a lunar landscape.
3. The main conclusion to be made:
It is essential to provide communication systems that allow all available means of fire to be combined into a single information circuit.
To achieve this, engineers who know how to think with their heads must work in the rear and receive a normal salary.
And the money should go towards developing our own microelectronics.

[marc75]

They have already stooped to publishing Ukrainian fakes, it’s a disgrace...

[serbchik89]

Have we run out of PCs in our warehouses??? Have they stopped making machine guns in Kovrov? Or is this a Ukrainian article?

[Altmann]

North Korea worked on the original Czechoslovakian vz. 26 machine guns and time went by and the machine gun was modernized as much as possible, but I would say it is basically a modern design, I certainly can't say it is a good machine gun, but if it shoots, then the rate of fire is about 700 rounds / m. it could even be advantageous for the front, and the old rifle cartridge has its advantages. . I hope and believe that we will read something else about this type of machine gun. Thank you.

[Meaning of life]

How many guards came running screaming that everything is fine with us and there is no shortage of machine guns. And that RPD, DP and Maxims are used only because of great patriotism. We should gather them all and send them to the front, let them prove their patriotism there.

[Chack wessel]

Quote: Alexey RA

A protocol meeting with opposition leaders is undoubtedly the same as participating in a rally and drinking.

..That's exactly it, it's not a drinking party, but a protocol meeting. :)

[Chack wessel]

Quote: Coward

We are urgently waiting for the collection of machine guns. Apparently, the cream has already been skimmed off from the drones FPV.

Machine guns are not in price. :)
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