You Can't Spend So Much: North Korea's Military-Industrial Complex

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You Can't Spend So Much: North Korea's Military-Industrial Complex


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In connection with the signing and imminent entry into force of the treaty on comprehensive strategic cooperation between Russia and North Korea, the question of the state of the military-industrial complex of our long-standing partner is natural. By and large, our good neighbor has nothing more substantial to offer Russia.



Let's start with numbers and calculations. By all accounts, the DPRK leadership has created the most militarized economy in the world. But the main thing is not this, but the fact of having a nuclear weapons. In all other circumstances, the United States would have long ago carried out "Storm in Korea" in the region with all the ensuing consequences. If Muammar Gaddafi were alive, he would not have allowed me to lie. Therefore, for Pyongyang, the presence of a nuclear arsenal is still a guarantee of sovereignty. But North Korea has also achieved good success in conventional weapons.

First of all, it is worth understanding under what conditions the DPRK's defense complex is being built. The three largest economies in the world - the United States, South Korea and Japan - have turned against the state. This triumvirate, among other things, is not under international sanctions. Russia and China are Pyongyang's only assistants in implementing the sovereign ideology of Juche. Simply put, Moscow and Beijing are preventing the country from experiencing a global famine.

In the area of ​​defense technologies, the DPRK's partners have maintained formal neutrality in recent decades, i.e., adhered to the sanctions policy declared by the West. It is not surprising that North Korea's military-industrial complex and army expenditures are considered the largest relative to the gross domestic product. The expenditure-revenue part of the economy is seriously classified, but Western intelligence services regularly leak some nuances to the media. Which, of course, should be treated with a certain amount of skepticism.

The approximate budget of the defense sector of North Korea can reach from 4 to 10 billion dollars per year. For the modest economy of the state, this is a colossal number - if we calculate the GDP by purchasing power parity, then its value does not exceed 40 billion dollars. The country is classified as one of the poorest in the world. 1,5 thousand dollars per capita per year puts North Korea in 213th place among 230 countries of the world by this indicator. The simplest calculations show that Pyongyang spends up to a quarter of its GDP on defense, calculated by purchasing power parity, but some Western "analysts" insist on 30 and even 60 percent, allocated to the military-industrial complex and the army. If we compare the numbers "head-on", then the level of military spending of the DPRK is comparable, for example, with Iran, Indonesia, Columbia and slightly falls short of Mexico. At the same time, the GDP of these countries is incomparably higher than North Korea's.


The main player in North Korea's military-industrial complex is artillery. The main enemy, South Korea, is at arm's length, and it would be a sin not to take advantage of this. In addition, the population density in the enemy camp is extremely high, which automatically turns any military action into a painful event for civilians. North Korea understood these risks very well and diligently accumulated artillery arsenals. The exact quantity is not reliably known, but a couple of tens of millions of ammunition may be in storage. In Pyongyang, they not only took into account the prospects of an artillery war with their southern neighbor, but also the nature of the latest conflict. The war in Korea in 1950-1954 clearly dragged on and led to an inevitable shortage of shells. Since 1954, North Korea has not fought with anyone and diligently accumulated ammunition. As it turned out, not in vain - the conflict in Ukraine showed the importance of both the presence of extensive arsenals and domestic production. However, in the event of a major turmoil on the Korean Peninsula, there will be nothing to replenish the spent ammunition - one plant in Tokchon will not save the situation.

Military-industrial complex Juche


The ideology of North Korea is based on two truths. The first is Juche, that is, relying solely on one's own strength. Ideally, this is autarky, but even in the example of the DPRK, it remains unattainable. The second truth is Songun, or "the army always comes first." Based on this, the Koreans plan military construction. But it was not always so. A sovereign military-industrial complex had to be developed using external technologies.


M1978 "Koksan"

The foundation of the North Korean military-industrial complex is based on the Soviet and, later, Chinese heritage. At first, military equipment was bought, accepted as a gift, then copied, and then they decided to achieve technological sovereignty in this sector. The stage of independent development of the defense industry conditionally began in the early 1970s. The Koreans built self-propelled guns, mounting 100-, 122-, 130- and 152-mm guns on Soviet artillery tractors.

The reception surprisingly predicted the appearance of similar equipment many years later in the SVO. Later, one of the first self-propelled guns of our own design with an exotic caliber of 170 mm appeared. It was called the SPG "Juche-po" and even managed to fight on the side of Iran in the war with Iraq. There is information that the M1978 "Koksan" (the Western name for the SPG) proved itself well and reached the enemy deep in the rear.

In accordance with the Soviet military school, the DPRK artillery had many calibers. Only the MLRS has three sizes - 122 mm, 200 mm and 240 mm. The latter has a good range of 50 km. Last year, the Koreans presented the 300 mm rocket system operating at distances of up to 220 km. Some commentators will point out the obvious lag of the DPRK behind global military-technical progress. They say that, not having the ability to create high-precision weapons, the army chose a strategy of working on areas. And here the larger the caliber, the better.

Until 2022, this point of view seemed quite sensible and rational, but not now. Ask a frontline general in the North Military District what he would give up – several high-precision missiles or a division of Korean MLRS with very dubious firing accuracy? The conflict in Ukraine has forced us to look at military construction through new optics, and it seems that the DPRK has unwittingly guessed the trends. And 300 mm is not the limit – next in line is the 600 mm KN-25 product, which rather belongs to the category of operational-tactical missiles. Depending on the design, tracked and wheeled platforms can carry from 4 to 6 guides. The range exceeds 380 km, and the weight of the equipped missile is about 3 tons.


Looks like North Korea has made its own HIMARS, Pictured is a KN-25

As has already become clear, North Korea places the main emphasis in its military construction on the land component in general and on artillery and missiles in particular. One cannot but agree with this. The main thing is to have missiles and shells in abundance. The latest example of a massive Iranian missile attack on Israel showed that magic is impossible, and any missile defense can be overloaded. Especially since the southerners still have nothing like the "Iron Dome".

The DPRK ballistic missiles, which were developed and launched into production in the 70s, proved successful in foreign markets. Thus, the Hwasong-6 and Hwasong-7 sold well in the 80s. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, hard times came to the DPRK, but the military-industrial complex hardly felt it, although its export ambitions noticeably sagged. In tank building, which traditionally has a special place in the defense industry, the T-62 was modified, and in the 2000s it was launched into production танк "Songun-915", which is a complex synthesis of the Soviet and Russian schools of tank building. Special attention should be paid to the ATGM "Pulse-4", which can be used without direct visibility of the target. A kind of "Spike" in Korean. Countries capable of producing equipment with such characteristics can be counted on the fingers of one hand.

Given that North Korea's own air force is either virtually non-existent or fundamentally outdated, much attention is paid to systems Defense. Actually, this is another reason why the DPRK places such emphasis on missile technology – aviation simply unable to strike deep into enemy defenses, or repel an air attack. In the short-range air defense sector, 30- and 57-mm barrel systems operate, as well as NT-16PGJ mobile SAM systems on a tracked chassis. The latter are considered clones of the Soviet Igla. The most common SAM is the Pongyo-5, which obviously has common roots with the S-300 system. In the spring of 2024, footage of tests of the new Pelti-1-2 SAM system was published, which is considered an evolution of the Pongyo-5.


SAM "Pelti-1-2"

If North Korea hasn’t succeeded with its own air force – after all, for the vast majority of countries this is an unaffordable luxury – then its navy is doing better. Coastal protection is provided by the tiny submarines of the Sang-O class, or “Sharks” in Korean. Forty diesel-electric submarines have been built, each equipped with 40-mm torpedoes. Evil tongues say that in 533 one of the “Sharks” sank the South Korean corvette “Cheon An”.


Captured Sang-O class submarine in South Korea

At least one Sinpo-class submarine has been spotted in the North Korean Navy. This is a serious submarine with ballistic missile launchers. The North Korean navy can surprise. For example, with hovercraft or skeg-type vessels with anti-ship missiles. These are Nongo-class boats, of which the North Koreans have at least six. Apart from the DPRK, ships of this type are built only in Norway and Russia. One of the most modern and powerful ships of North Korea is considered to be the Nampo-class corvette. Some sources even call it a light frigate. The armament includes anti-ship and anti-submarine missiles. So far, only a couple of ships of this class have been spotted in the DPRK.

Despite the fact that in absolute terms the DPRK's defense spending does not seem exorbitant, the military budget is a heavy burden for the country. But this is a forced measure to protect the sovereignty of the state, causing an allergy in the "democratic" West, and in some places even a cowardly tremor.
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  1. +25
    4 November 2024 04: 53
    Is it bad to rely solely on one's own strength and put the army first? The Soviet Union did almost the same. And when after the coup of 91 they abandoned this rule, where did we end up? That's right, in poverty, shame and war, even the countries of the molecule are shaking their finger at us and showing their asses at the border.
    North Korea is showing everyone an example of sovereignty and freedom. No one can tell them what to do.
    And their system is the one needed for sovereignty. Otherwise, the US and its allies would have crushed the country long ago.
    If North Koreans knew that they were safe, they would be just as persistent in pursuing agriculture and improving the lives of their people.
    You shouldn't bother, but buy the best examples of military equipment and simply good weapons
    our ally DPRK. soldier
    1. -5
      4 November 2024 08: 15
      Is it bad to rely solely on one's own strength and put the army first?

      It’s very bad, it’s very difficult to develop weapons on your own, you have to replace quality with quantity, and all other things being equal, you have to spend more on the army.
      1. +18
        4 November 2024 08: 27
        Quote: strannik1985
        It is very difficult to develop weapons independently; quantity has to replace quality; all other things being equal, more has to be spent on the army.

        All developments in the USSR began with the production of weapons.
        But today, for the aviation industry, the An-2 is an unheard-of novelty, and with such a pace of development of high-speed railways and civil aircraft construction, the residents of the Urals, Siberia and the Far East may find themselves outcasts in their own country.
        1. +13
          4 November 2024 08: 35
          All developments in the USSR began with the production of weapons.

          For example, Vickers tanks - T-26 and BT - Christie, aircraft engine M-22 (fighter I-5) - English Bristol Jupiter. This is normal when you want to get a result, and not chase slogans.
      2. +8
        4 November 2024 09: 37
        The question in case of independence is to select performers for development of weapons and not only weapons. Only one out of ten thousand of certified engineers can create something worthwhile for aviation, for the navy or even invent a new teapot.
        This shows the state of our aviation, shipbuilding, automobile manufacturing, in general, engines in all areas. In the case of North Korea, they are constantly looking for talent to design and manufacture weapons, there are successes and failures, you can't do without it.
        By the way, Belarus does the same, and may also be combing through our universities and industries.
        We are looking for effective managers and accountants. In a capitalist bourgeois state, the main thing is money. hi
        1. +3
          6 November 2024 06: 31
          Only one in ten thousand qualified engineers can create something worthwhile for aviation, for the navy, or even invent a new teapot.

          I think your statistics are too pessimistic. In my experience, out of a group of 25 students, one to three engineers are capable of independently developing products (naturally, after an internship in a team with experienced developers).
          1. +1
            6 November 2024 06: 47
            Maybe, but UAC and ODK show that they don’t have any decent engineers, and civil aviation is in a stupor. They haven’t made a single plane in two years! Whatever they do, but planes aren’t being produced, engines aren’t being made. Even injections of tens, hundreds of billions of rubles don’t help. Because there are no engineers like Tupolev, Antonov, Ilyushin. They’re not looking for
            a talented engineer and a talented accountant, an economist for the embezzlement of money.
            1. +2
              6 November 2024 09: 09
              I think the problem is not that they have only talentless engineers. Most likely, the problem is systemic, "something is wrong at the conservatory". The organizational structure and the reward/punishment system need to be changed. You are probably familiar with our tradition of punishing the innocent and rewarding the uninvolved!
          2. 0
            9 November 2024 21: 16
            pessimistic

            Are you seriously? what
        2. 0
          28 November 2024 18: 01
          Quote: V.
          Only one in ten thousand qualified engineers can create something worthwhile, even for aviation.

          In order for a talented designer to create a good air defense system, he must obtain the resources to create two bad ones, test them, analyze his mistakes, and only after that can the customer expect a truly good thing from him.
      3. +5
        4 November 2024 21: 29
        Napoleon once said, he who does not want to feed his own army will feed someone else's.
        And in the end he turned out to be right. So besides the fact that you will feed someone else's army and its downtime.
        1. +1
          5 November 2024 07: 34
          And in the end he turned out to be right.

          Well, the army and the military-industrial complex are slightly different things, something can be developed or modernized independently, and something is easier to buy. For example, Azerbaijan actively purchased, including from Russia, various weapons - tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, self-propelled mortars, artillery, UAVs, loitering munitions. Have the Azerbaijani Armed Forces become stronger? Naturally. Have they fulfilled the assigned tasks? Yes.
      4. +2
        5 November 2024 17: 25
        Of course it's bad. If it weren't for the Soviet-made weapons and equipment reserves, they'd be waving clubs now. They couldn't develop their own. But they have Coca-Cola - I've already seen production in Armenia, Turkey, Angola, Azerbaijan, Iraq... And there's no Coke in the DPRK. Aren't they stupid?
        1. 0
          5 November 2024 17: 37
          Of course it's bad.

          The Union, in general, provided a good standard of living and did not do everything itself, especially in the 20s and 30s.
          Aren't they stupid?

          They didn't do it themselves, they were put in this position.
    2. +7
      4 November 2024 09: 52
      By and large, more Our good neighbor has nothing significant to offer Russia.

      With all due respect, the 10,000 North Korean fighters preparing to fight on Russia's side refute these ill-considered words.
      1. +2
        4 November 2024 19: 56
        Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
        With all due respect, the 10,000 North Korean fighters preparing to fight on Russia's side refute these ill-considered words.

        Do you think these guys will go straight to storming, especially right away?
      2. +2
        7 November 2024 10: 37
        With all due respect, 10,000 North Korean fighters preparing to fight on Russia's side

        Nooo, guys, no need to drag these wet dreams to VO.
        Remember, no one, NO ONE will fight for us in this war.
        NO ONE.
        There are a lot of adults here, do you really believe this nonsense?

        Our guys will die there, not the Koreans. And for a long time. NO ONE will clean up this mess for us.
      3. 0
        7 November 2024 18: 59
        The last time expeditionary units from other countries were present on the territory of our country was during the civil war.
    3. Lad
      -1
      4 November 2024 20: 00
      Well, well, well... North Korea is setting an example for everyone.
      And the Soviet Union did the same until 91.
      And what happened to him in '91? He was gone.
      And why did he disappear? Because he behaved exactly like that.
      And the conclusion? The conclusion is simple: in order to survive, he had to behave differently.
      How else? That's the second question. But differently.
      So there is no need to talk here about the negative example of the Soviet Union.
      1. +4
        4 November 2024 21: 34
        Remind you what happened in 1941 and the end of the war in 1945? Operation Unthinkable and the attack on the USSR with the use of nuclear weapons against cities and factories. Do you think everyone should lead themselves like sheep to the slaughter, be obedient??
        The USSR ceased to exist not because the social experiment failed, but because the damage was done intentionally through betrayal and traitors. Who think that if you don't have nuclear weapons, you won't be touched. Everyone remembers Muammar Gaddafi, and the lessons too.
        1. +6
          5 November 2024 00: 00
          The Soviet Union ceased to exist because it was killed by its own "elite". They killed it by reasoning like this: I have a Volga, but I want to drive a Mercedes; I have a dacha in Sochi, but I want a villa on the Cote d'Azur. Destroy your own country, and you will gain all these riches. And in the end they gained them, having betrayed and destroyed it.
    4. -3
      5 November 2024 09: 54
      The poverty of the 90s is largely due to distortions in the economy, a severe lag in the development of the civilian sector. Roughly speaking, they spent too many resources on tanks, but saved on agricultural and construction equipment to the point of collapse. The DPRK spends an exceptionally large amount of resources so that the population lives in conditions comparable to the worst variation of occupation. They are forced to kill their citizens who want to escape from hell, with stomachs teeming with parasites, because this is discrediting. And the elite is doing well, they have plenty of Western gadgets, and delicacies every day
      1. +3
        5 November 2024 10: 11
        And the elite is doing well, they have plenty of Western gadgets and delicacies every day

        It's just wonderful to first ban the import of medicines and then accuse the current regime of genocide against its own people. Democratic cannibals good
        1. -1
          5 November 2024 10: 14
          I don't know about such a ban. But feeding Western pharma is an ideological crime against Juche, I think it is customary to repress entire families for this there. Unless you are a top official in Pyongyang, of course.
          By the way, parasites in the bodies of Kim Jong-un's happy subjects are caused by the lack of normal fertilizers... i.e. it is probably the sanctions from Russia that are working effectively. If they didn't have to fertilize with sewage, everything would be much better.
          1. +1
            5 November 2024 10: 53
            But feeding Western pharmaceuticals is an ideological crime against Juche, I think it is customary to repress entire families there for this.

            No, it’s just that deliveries on a national scale worth a couple of million dollars are carried out through a UN Security Council meeting.
            https://regnum.ru/news/3733592
            And also 90% of the DPRK's export goods fall under sanctions, i.e. there is simply nothing to buy even goods that are not subject to sanctions. And they stupidly persecute banks and organizations doing business with North Korea, and then point the finger at the criminal regime that keeps its subjects in poverty. Cannibals, after all. wink
            1. +1
              5 November 2024 11: 09
              I have completely stopped understanding. The West is trying with all its might to help the Kim regime implement the Juche ideas: absolute self-sufficiency and independence. And at the same time, it turns out that he is cannibalistic. It would be fine if the DPRK declaration was "we want to trade with the whole world, participate in global supply and production chains", but no!
              1. 0
                5 November 2024 12: 48
                I stopped understanding altogether.

                Everything is much simpler, the Koreans had a famine in 1995-1999, connected with a flood. That is why during the Bush administration they decided to roll up a bunch of sanctions, suddenly they themselves would fall apart. In addition, they began to threaten to use weapons, for example, back in 2001, long before the start of the DPRK nuclear program, the head of the Air Force said that American missiles were aimed at North Korea. Export opportunities were reduced, provoked to high military expenses. The desire for self-sufficiency and independence is a consequence, not a cause.
                1. 0
                  5 November 2024 13: 22
                  It seems to me that everything is not so simple, but for reference I decided to read the article "US POLICY TOWARDS NORTH KOREA: END OF XX - BEGINNING OF XXI CENTURY."
                  In short, the US has been the leading supplier of food to the DPRK for all these decades. Not at all friendly China or Russia. If they were cannibals, they could have poisoned the food in such a way that the birth rate would be zero or somehow influenced the excess mortality. But they are guilty of having supplied only hundreds of thousands of tons of free food, instead of tens of millions, to the unviable zombie economy. In fact, they supported the Kim regime in a state of working blackmail by action: all aid was carried out under the pretext of "behave more peacefully, no need to develop a nuclear program", and in fact turned out to be a politically useless carrot - without the Americans, the Holodomor would probably have destroyed the labor force of the DPRK much earlier. Therefore, successive administrations began to switch to a stick policy, and it is unknown what the next mass famine in this "self-sufficient country" will turn out to be, perhaps no one will want to play in the agreement anymore.
                  By the way, regarding export, as far as I remember, even Moscow had problems with this in the 2010s: it wasn’t difficult to bring in goods, but selling them for a reasonable price... after all, the productivity of slave labor is not comparable to what automated factories allow today.
                  1. 0
                    5 November 2024 14: 31
                    In short, the United States has been the leading food supplier to North Korea for all these decades.

                    It's called subsidizing our own agriculture. Guess where they buy food? wink
                    In essence, they supported the Kim regime in a state of working blackmail by action

                    No, they regularly conduct exercises involving hundreds of thousands of soldiers, the American military regularly makes loud statements, and they started doing this long before the DPRK nuclear program began, in response, North Korea is forced to maintain a large army, invest in missile and nuclear technologies. Voila, there is a pretext to maintain a large military group in the theater of military operations, and at the same time keep allies - Japan and South Korea - in good shape.
                    There are plenty of examples of insufficiently attentive attitude to one's own security, for example, Libya under Gaddafi lived well, albeit under sanctions, the regime was overthrown with the support of the USA and France. Now there are gangs of democrats, slave markets, but TNCs are quietly pumping oil.
                    1. 0
                      5 November 2024 14: 42
                      1. Subsidizing agriculture is a common thing all over the world. I think American farmers wouldn't hesitate to throw grain into the ocean instead of supplying Africans and North Korea. They are strange cannibals after all.
                      2. It seems to me that the DPRK is protected from attack most of all by the fact that there is nothing to take from them and their victors actually get more problems with the burden-economy. At the same time, blackmail used to work very well, directly in terms of revenue from any kind of aid. I think the Western empire will collapse in the coming decades, since neocolonialism is running out of steam and the maintenance of military bases is already more expensive than the bonuses from the hegemonic status. Who will Kim then scare with a nuclear club to get food?
                2. +1
                  7 November 2024 19: 16
                  I think for that last phrase you would have been sent to the rice fields in North Korea) In the form of a tuk)))
                  1. 0
                    7 November 2024 19: 31
                    I think for that last phrase you would have been sent to the rice fields in North Korea) In the form of a tuk)))

                    No, they shot him with an anti-aircraft gun.
                    1. +1
                      7 November 2024 19: 37
                      You flatter yourself. They shoot representatives of the elite with anti-aircraft guns. A noble execution - like they used to chop off the heads of aristocrats. You would have died a different death (c). And spending several shells on you is trivially expensive
                      1. +1
                        7 November 2024 19: 39
                        You would have died a different death (c).

                        I was hoping for at least a mortar request
                      2. +1
                        28 November 2024 18: 08
                        Quote: strannik1985
                        You would have died a different death (c).
                        I was hoping for at least a mortar

                        Most likely ended up as a sparring partner for a Korean special forces soldier during his training to kill in hand-to-hand combat.
      2. 0
        5 November 2024 10: 14
        You see, there will always be dissatisfied people even in Monaco. We can't understand the tension that North Korea lives under. Those who have been there say that the country lives under martial law, but there is no other way out, either death or freedom, even if it is like that. But Russia could help, at least in an economic, technical union. The DPRK is wide open to us, even though we are not communists but capitalists.
        1. -2
          5 November 2024 10: 21
          The problem is that the country has been living worse than 99% of the countries that have lost wars in history for decades. Endless horror is much more expensive than potential defeat, and there is no silver lining in sight. The poverty is so high that it can be seen from space. How will they, with such suppression of rationality, prepare for the wars of the future, where swarms of intelligent drones will number in the tens of thousands (with a caliber from a bee to a fighter jet), and the equipment will fail even before the first signs of an attack?
          1. +1
            5 November 2024 10: 29
            Do you understand that this is Asia, where the losers are slaughtered completely? Remember the Korean War, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos. Or how many Germans wanted to leave us as slaves during WWII? Or do you think that after the occupation everyone will be given cookies?
            1. -3
              5 November 2024 10: 36
              Practice has disproved any sense in the Douhet Doctrine precisely during the Vietnam War. Since the defeat of the Reich, there has been a significant rethinking of slave labor, as very outdated and much less effective than for "salary". Rules of warfare and rules for the treatment of prisoners of war have appeared. Today, a defeat will hit the representatives of the elite much harder, or do you think that the Ukrainians should fight to the last and then blow up all the nuclear power plants as a farewell?
              But by the way, I understand that in totalitarian countries propaganda and fear-mongering play a key role. Like, sign up to suffer for Kim's regime, sign up for your children and grandchildren to suffer and be afraid, as long as it's their proper master, and not some damned capitalist.
              1. +2
                5 November 2024 10: 53
                Are the rules for treating prisoners of war and civilians of the Armed Forces of Ukraine observed in the Kursk region? And in general in the Donbass and other regions of Russia?
                I think that's what the Ukrainians will do. The last Ukrainians will gather at the nuclear power plant and blow themselves up. We'll decontaminate it and move on.
                Nobody here suffers for Kim, but there is an understanding of what is happening on the Korean Peninsula.
                Totalitarianism, oddly enough, is returning to the West; the experience of the Gestapo and the Inquisition has not been forgotten.
                1. -3
                  5 November 2024 11: 04
                  1. I believe everything is very symmetrical, with “some excesses in places,” but definitely not on a massive scale.
                  2. After blowing up all the nuclear power plants in Ukraine, we will have to resettle the entire southwest of Russia for the next 300 years. And ask several million volunteers to sacrifice their entire life time to decontaminate an absolutely gigantic territory. This is not Chernobyl, here the dose and area of ​​contamination will be a thousand times greater, since there will be no one to extinguish dozens of burning reactors at the same time. This is absolutely unacceptable damage, such a "victory" will never pay off.
                  3. The West, unfortunately, stopped relaxing and degrading in 2022, and NATO was saved from death. Of course, they began to utilize democratic values, due to the lack of a clear communist threat back in the 90s. But such a creeping drift will take decades more before real totalitarianism, IMHO.
                  1. +1
                    5 November 2024 11: 07
                    Are you for Ukraine or for Russia? To put everything in its place. And from which country?
                    1. -3
                      5 November 2024 11: 16
                      I do not see such parties in this conflict as independent. I see a proxy conflict partly between the US and China, partly a project of anti-globalists to destroy the EU with the export of most of the industrial and personnel potential. Separately, this could be the launch of Cold War 2.0 until 2050, with another pull of all human resources to create the best means of military-technical protection. From this angle, neither Ukrainians nor Russians can win or even decide for participation/non-participation in this conflict. All are enslaved and doomed to catastrophic costs, partly already realized. If Russia had been preparing to become strong since the XNUMXs, in fact, the war simply would not have happened. But instead of at least means of communication, resources were spent on wonder weapons like Poseidon. So I am sure that there is internal betrayal and treason, unfortunately very serious ones.
                      I currently live in Cyprus.
                  2. +1
                    5 November 2024 23: 39
                    Just don't talk about NATO, okay. Everyone here is not a boy from DS. If the same Turkey tries to leave NATO, what will happen to it? They have a sea of ​​disagreements, but even more cooperation. What is the dollar, war and oil worth? Who has the money, who rules it? God's chosen ones, and in almost every sovereign country.
                    1. 0
                      7 November 2024 20: 52
                      Do you think they'll bomb it? By the way, they say Armenia is looking to the side as part of the CSTO. What do you think will happen to it?
                2. 0
                  7 November 2024 20: 49
                  You amused me about decontamination. The main thing is that everything is before our eyes. For how long has the NPP exclusion zone been created?
              2. 0
                28 November 2024 18: 11
                Quote: alpet
                Since the defeat of the Reich, there has also been a significant rethinking of slave labor.

                Hitler, unlike the US State Department, did not set as his goal the ban of the Russian language in the Baltics and Ukraine. The human losses of the Russians as a result of the Yeltsin-Gorbachev friendship with the USA are higher than the losses in World War II.
        2. 0
          7 November 2024 19: 17
          We helped many people. And where are the results?
      3. +1
        5 November 2024 19: 55
        Roughly speaking, they spent too many resources on tanks, but they saved on agricultural and construction equipment to the point of breaking down.

        There are many reasons for the collapse of the USSR:
        The fundamental ones are the monopoly of power of the CPSU, the dogmatic nature of the leadership of the CPSU, and the irremovability of the leadership.
        It followed from this that the economy of the USSR was also dogmatic and not market-based, which made it immune to innovations and a gradual, ever-increasing lag. The same agriculture turned out to be backward due to the destruction of the private sector and the management of collective farms by purely administrative methods.
    5. 0
      7 November 2024 18: 55
      Citizens of the Soviet Union standing in long queues look at you with some displeasure, ferocity, and at the same time sadness and bewilderment
  2. +18
    4 November 2024 04: 55
    In short, we welcome our comrades from the DPRK in every possible way.
    Such assistants are always needed in this matter, and especially now.
    Koreans are disciplined, hardworking and very responsible people.
    1. 0
      7 November 2024 20: 55
      I wonder who would have predicted such comments three years ago?
      1. 0
        9 November 2024 09: 08
        Quote from Sumotori_380
        I wonder who would have predicted such comments three years ago?

        I've always felt this way about Koreans.
  3. 0
    4 November 2024 05: 45
    Fedorov, who ordered the article?
    1. +3
      4 November 2024 19: 04
      Dear Nikon Voron!
      You have been given minuses, but you seem to be right. The article clearly looks like a commissioned one, and the commission, naturally, is from the leaders, bosses, and owners of this author... Someone clearly does not like the rapprochement between Russia and the DPRK. It seems that the author should be glad that Russia has an unequivocally friendly state, ready to truly help our rather mean state - after all, we have been strangled by increasing sanctions for decades, and our government, to please the West, supported Western sanctions against the DPRK for years. And in relation to Iran, when the former caliph for an hour Medvedev caved in to the United States and refused to fulfill the signed agreement on the supply of S-300 defensive systems to Iran. The article is clearly harmful and I do not want to waste time analyzing this opus. And autarky would not hurt us ourselves - to a large extent, our economy in Soviet times was like that. But EBN and his accomplices, who dreamed of integrating into the Western world, missed the mark, but managed to destroy a significant part of industry, squander scientific personnel, completely destroy the education and healthcare systems... Now it is very difficult to restore what was destroyed... And we could do with the help of a friendly people.
  4. +15
    4 November 2024 06: 35
    Good luck to the brotherly Korean people in their difficult struggle against world imperialism and capitalism!
  5. +11
    4 November 2024 07: 22
    Although North Korea's defense spending does not appear exorbitant in absolute terms, the military budget is a heavy burden for the country.

    It needs to be compared with other expenses - for example, with the "wants" of oligarchs, their foreign real estate, accounts, yachts, and so on.
    And then it suddenly turns out that for Russia these joint costs are just as heavy a burden for the country, although somewhat less than for the DPRK.
  6. +17
    4 November 2024 07: 35
    The material is certainly impressive in its shallow and mythological knowledge, as well as incorrect assumptions and conclusions.
    But this is not the main thing, but the fact of the existence of nuclear weapons. In all other circumstances, the United States would have long ago carried out a "Storm in Korea" in the region with all the ensuing consequences.

    On February 10, 2005, the DPRK for the first time openly announced the creation of nuclear weapons in the country. On October 9, 2006, the first nuclear explosion was carried out.
    The DPRK began mass-producing nuclear warheads for operational-tactical missiles and short- and medium-range rockets only recently. With Gorbachev's rise to power in the USSR, the DPRK effectively and then formally lost its nuclear umbrella. Bush wanted to start the "Storm in Korea" option in 1993, but the Pentagon estimated the losses for 3 months of the war at 1 million soldiers, including 100 American, and $000 billion in US expenses, and the losses of the South Korean economy at $100 trillion in 1 prices, naturally.
    The main player in the North Korean military-industrial complex is artillery. The main enemy, South Korea, is at arm's length, and it would be a sin not to take advantage of this. In addition, the population density in the enemy camp is extremely high, which automatically turns all military actions into a painful event for civilians.

    Until Kim Jong-un's latest statement, where he declared South Korea a hostile state, South Korea was considered as part of a single state with one people living on its territory. But the author describes the DPRK as a terrorist state that is deliberately going to destroy the civilian population, which means its own people, because the population of South Korea is also the Korean people.
    Since 1954, North Korea has not fought with anyone and has been diligently stockpiling ammunition.

    The maximum shelf life of large-caliber projectiles, according to training manuals, is 15 years in a closed room, subject to all storage conditions.
    However, in the event of a major turmoil on the Korean Peninsula, there will be nothing to replenish the spent ammunition - one plant in Tokchon will not save the situation.

    According to Western intelligence, 200 military factories in the DPRK produce ammunition and spare parts for equipment for delivery to Russia. In the 90s of the last century alone, 17 factories producing ammunition were known. In addition, almost all of the DPRK factories have dual purpose. Western intelligence reported the opening of a shell production line at a glass factory.
    The estimated budget of North Korea's defense sector could range from $4 billion to $10 billion per year.

    According to the US, shells from the DPRK cost Russia 10 times less than Ukraine's allies. So what is the price of this "Approximate Budget of the Defense Sector of North Korea"? In boas or parrots?
    I won’t continue further, otherwise it would be longer than the article itself.
  7. +5
    4 November 2024 08: 02
    North Korea's ideology is based on two truths.

    In general, on three, not just ideology, but the stability of power is built on the Law on National Security of the Republic of Korea, according to which all residents of the DPRK are separatists, a lot of things, including the works of Kim Il Sung are prohibited for reading, for singing North Korean songs you can get a prison term and also a loss of rights. Reminds me of the situation in the GDR during the Cold War, only more honest. In the RK there are also authorities up to the rectors of universities for the DPRK.
  8. +8
    4 November 2024 08: 47
    You Can't Spend So Much: North Korea's Military-Industrial Complex

    The DPRK is an industrial-agrarian country with a hybrid developing economy. The nominal GDP volume for 2017 was 17,364 billion US dollars (about US$685 per capita).
    Today we are given different information:
    For the state’s modest economy, this is a colossal figure – if we calculate GDP at purchasing power parity, its value does not exceed 40 billion dollars. The country is considered one of the poorest in the world. $1,5 per capita per year puts North Korea in 213th place among 230 countries in the world on this indicator.

    Since 1991, Russia has been robbed by oligarchs and other thieves of 2 - 5 trillion dollars.
    This money would be enough for the DPRK for 62 years.
    Partnership relations with the DPRK would be more favorable for us.
    1. +3
      4 November 2024 16: 07
      The author took an uncritical approach to the Wikipedia data. Now, however, the more common point of view is that the GDP of the DPRK is around 50 billion dollars, and much more according to PPP - here the range of opinions is from 300 to 400 billion.
      1. +4
        4 November 2024 16: 25
        Quote: Sergej1972
        The author took an uncritical approach to Wikipedia data.

        What pleases me most is the fact that, despite all the difficulties, the population of the DPRK is growing.
        1. +1
          7 November 2024 19: 25
          Given the opacity of North Korean statistics, only Kim Il Sung knows how things are there
  9. +4
    4 November 2024 09: 04
    In general, this is a great tragedy, they divided one people, set them against each other, and have been keeping them in tension for many decades. Just watch Korean films, yes, they are southern, but there is so much about this there, someone has relatives on different sides. Although it seems to me that there will be no unification, the countries have too different paths, they have been driven apart.
    1. 0
      7 November 2024 19: 26
      The merger will have an extremely negative impact on the South Korean economy
  10. +1
    4 November 2024 09: 23
    a meaningless set of letters...
  11. 0
    4 November 2024 10: 11
    If only to retain power...
    and the serfs... they wrote that many died of hunger in the 90s, but the media doesn't care. The main thing is that the other side gives them shells and soldiers for the murders (liquidation) of mobilized Russian commoners (according to the media, according to VVP).
  12. +4
    4 November 2024 11: 37
    The Korean War of 1950-1954 was clearly dragging on and led to an inevitable shortage of ammunition. Since 1954, North Korea has not fought with anyone
    Author, learn the basics before writing custom articles.
    The Korean War was an armed conflict between North and South Korea that lasted from June 25, 1950 to July 27, 1953.
  13. +6
    4 November 2024 13: 36
    Working on the author's mistakes:
    Simply put, Moscow and Beijing are preventing the country from experiencing a global famine.

    Moscow and Beijing strictly adhered to sanctions against the DPRK before the SVO. And the main goal of these sanctions has always been hunger in the DPRK, since there is very little arable land. Moscow and Beijing not only did not sell any food (we are not talking about aid, but about sales), but also expelled North Korean workers and arrested their fishing vessels. This was the "aid".
    It is not surprising that North Korea's military-industrial complex and military expenditures are considered the largest relative to the gross domestic product. The expenditure and income side of the economy is seriously classified, but Western intelligence agencies regularly leak some nuances to the media.

    Every year, the DPRK parliament discusses and adopts a budget, and all data on the state budget is published by the DPRK news agency. In addition to the "nuances" of Western intelligence agencies, one can also read official information from the DPRK itself. The percentage of state spending on the army and the military-industrial complex is approximately 15% of all budget expenditures, and it has remained virtually unchanged for more than 20 years.
    However, in the event of a major turmoil on the Korean Peninsula, there will be nothing to replenish the spent ammunition - one plant in Tokchon will not save the situation.

    Western intelligence agencies, which the author obviously trusts on the topic of military spending, have completely different information about the DPRK's ability to produce ammunition. They measure the number of ammunition factories in the tens, and the production capacity in the millions of 152 and 122 mm shells per year.
    The foundation of North Korea's military-industrial complex is based on the Soviet and, later, Chinese legacy.

    This legacy has remained in the distant past, unfortunately. And the reason is the refusal of China and Russia to cooperate with the DPRK. The DPRK has not imported equipment for the military-industrial complex from China and the USSR/Russia for more than 60 years, and the last arms import was from the USSR more than 35 years ago - a regiment of MIG-29 and a regiment of Su-25.
    If North Korea's air force doesn't work out

    What exactly didn't work out? The Air Force has about 2 serviceable and combat-ready combat aircraft and helicopters. And in the field of UAVs, the DPRK has leading positions in the world. They were flying over Seoul when everyone in the world was joking about UAVs.
    Although North Korea's defense spending does not appear exorbitant in absolute terms, the military budget is a heavy burden for the country.

    It obviously doesn't occur to the author that the army is also capable of working to develop the economy and improve the people's standard of living. In South Korea and others like it, the army is just a parasite.
    1. -2
      4 November 2024 21: 15
      Quote: Kostadinov
      Before the SVO, Moscow and Beijing strictly adhered to sanctions against the DPRK.

      Moreover, V.V. Putin introduced particularly tough sanctions against the DPRK in 2019 and instructed the Foreign Ministry to strictly implement them. The North Koreans trade more with Europe than with Russia, and even before the Maidan, Ukraine was their closer partner in aviation.
    2. 0
      7 November 2024 21: 00
      An army harvesting potatoes is not an army. Just as scientists traveling to help agriculture are also not doing their job. Specialization, the social division of labor is a great thing.
  14. +7
    4 November 2024 14: 12
    The article is clearly commissioned, and not by specific individuals, but by the general direction.
    Let's see what the press writes, or at least what they are trying to convince us of.
    To begin with, let's look at Western economies with their open data as an example. Trump, as president (he is a businessman, not a politician!!) demanded that NATO allies increase their share of military spending to 2,5% of GDP. Remember how much noise there was? As an example, the Germans: "Yes, we will increase the share of military spending to 2,5% of GDP, but not now, but gradually, over 5-10 years." That is, for a normal Western-style economy, without sanctions and other things, the share of military spending at 2,5% of GDP is already critical.
    Now let's read the article. From 4 to 10 billion dollars of military spending. The range is 2,5 times, this is more for analytics and guesswork. Next, 25% of the budget, and according to some data, 30-60% of military spending. In general, military spending is taken from the surplus product, since the military does not bring any practical benefit to the economy, only expenses. So it turns out that at first approximation, the average North Korean worker is 10-25 times more efficient than a Western European, while working for half a cup of rice? Or is it a matter of management and the absence of a ruling class that eats like crazy and does not bring any benefit?
    How many North Koreans are there, 30 million people? And they have a good army. MLRS and artillery are quite up to par. The author, of course, thinks that their MLRS are bad because of their low accuracy, but excuse me, hitting a missile "into a pole" without a homing head at a distance of 50 km is out of the realm of fantasy. If you have a 600 mm caliber missile, and there are few of them, wouldn't it be easier to install a homing head, at least the simplest inertial, not to mention a GPS?
    No Air Force, they will be destroyed at the very beginning of the conflict, still on the ground.
    Rockets have already reached space. There is no space program, but they don't need it. Photos can be bought in the public domain, and what you don't buy will be stolen by famous North Korean hackers. Global positioning? Expensive, and the Chinese will help, and for some time now, so will we.
    There are nuclear weapons, but this is quite expensive.
    And at the same time, North Koreans, unlike South Koreans, reproduce normally :)
    1. 0
      7 November 2024 19: 28
      In the second approximation, the army carries out a lot of national economic work. Which is good for the economy, but detrimental to the army
  15. +4
    4 November 2024 16: 10
    Even Wikipedia gives different data on the volume of North Korea's GDP in different articles. The figure that the author gives, about 40 billion dollars of GDP by PPP, is considered by most authors to be the volume of GDP at par, and a number of them give a figure of around 50 billion. And the GDP by PPP is much higher, around 300-400 billion.
    1. 0
      7 November 2024 19: 30
      The larger the gap between nominal GDP and PPP GDP, the worse the economy
  16. +2
    4 November 2024 17: 40
    That's right. If they don't arm themselves, they'll devour you, destroy half the population like in Ukraine and send the rest into slavery, women to the brothels of the free world and men to the mines and goldfields. And they want to play on human greed, saying that if you spend less on the army and weapons, you'll live better, and if you stop maintaining the army and producing weapons, you'll have paradise in your country. In general, fairy tales for idiots, like lace panties and visa-free entry.
  17. +4
    4 November 2024 17: 44
    The author wikipedia-edited something about GDP, but in general the data is of course from Western media, or whatever they are called. Here is where the nominal GDP of 40 billion dollars came from, look at the DPRK, it is not a convertible currency. It is important to calculate by PPP. Different estimates of 250-300 billion or 10-12 thousand dollars per person. There is an estimate of 150 billion, but this is still 6 thousand per person. I think the truth is somewhere in the range of 150-250 billion by PPP. They are building housing, en masse, roads, bridges, there is electronics, but the people of course live poorly, no matter how you hide it. Of course, such spending on the army and the military-industrial complex is difficult to attribute to peacetime, but they do not consider our time to be particularly peaceful! Readiness for war with the south and the mattress makers is in hours and minutes. And also external sanctions, long ago and in large numbers. But we need to develop.
  18. +4
    4 November 2024 17: 54
    The approximate budget of the defense sector of North Korea can reach from 4 to 10 billion dollars per year. For the modest economy of the state, this is a colossal number - if we calculate the GDP at purchasing power parity, then its value does not exceed 40 billion dollars.

    40 billion dollars of the DPRK's GDP or about 1,5 thousand per person is the GDP at the exchange rate. For a state under sanctions like the DPRK, the exchange rate has practically no meaning. They do not officially buy currency and the exchange, as far as it is, is cleared. You deliver something to me and I deliver something in exchange.
    The BVP by PPP is another matter. South Korean experts 190 years ago estimated the exchange rate to PPP ratio for the DPRK at 1 to 15. And that was before the all-encompassing sanctions in 2017.
    In other words, today the GDP according to the PPP of the DPRK is not less than 600 billion dollars. Although this is a very conditional estimate. For example, a house of 100-150 square meters of living space in the DPRK is received absolutely free of charge, and in South Korea it costs half a million dollars. In the first case, the cost of the product in money will be 0, and in the second 500 thousand dollars. And this is only one of many examples (treatment, education, transport, etc.).
    The army in the DPRK builds houses, factories, roads and everything. It is the main contractor for construction in the country.
    1. 0
      7 November 2024 19: 31
      A house of 100-150 meters for each family? Have you, sir, consumed a lot of rakia?
  19. +2
    4 November 2024 19: 43
    Author, the United States, Korea and Japan are the three largest economies in the world? What kind of utter nonsense is this?
  20. -1
    4 November 2024 20: 26
    It only remains to find out why more people are fleeing from north to south, and not vice versa.
    1. +3
      5 November 2024 00: 00
      Where do homeless people come from? There is a category of dissatisfied people, they are dissatisfied with everything. They do not want to work. Most of them are fugitives. There are few ideological ones, but they make a lot of noise. This is an ideological war between capitalism and socialism. The Soviet Union was destroyed by the West primarily because it was a bad example. Look how the example of socialism in the USSR destroyed the world colonial system of the West. No one wants to be a slave. The USSR was very dangerous for the West. The DPRK is also a dangerous state with its specific socialism for capitalists. The DPRK wants to trade with the Russian Federation, the DPRK has mountains and little agricultural land, they have developed machine tool manufacturing, metallurgy, shipbuilding, mechanical engineering, there is even a radio-electronic industry, they produce CNC machines. The DPRK is a peaceful neighbor, only 150 km from Vladivostok. For those who do not know, the mentality of Koreans is very different from the Japanese and Chinese.
  21. +2
    4 November 2024 23: 44
    The approximate budget of the defense sector of North Korea can reach from 4 to 10 billion dollars per year. For the modest economy of the state, this is a colossal number - if we calculate the GDP at purchasing power parity, then its value does not exceed 40 billion dollars. The country is classified as the poorest in the world. 1,5 thousand dollars per capita per year puts North Korea in 213th place among 230 countries of the world on this indicator.

    The article is clearly commissioned and can be considered as an attempt at hostile influence and provocation, the author is an ENEMY!
  22. +3
    5 November 2024 00: 07
    Quote: Recon
    Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
    With all due respect, the 10,000 North Korean fighters preparing to fight on Russia's side refute these ill-considered words.

    Do you think these guys will go straight to storming, especially right away?

    Do you think they came 7000 km away to sit in the rear?
  23. 0
    5 November 2024 03: 11
    Quote: Lad
    Well, well, well... North Korea is setting an example for everyone.
    And the Soviet Union did the same until 91.
    And what happened to him in '91? He was gone.
    And why did he disappear? Because he behaved exactly like that.
    And the conclusion? The conclusion is simple: in order to survive, he had to behave differently.
    How else? That's the second question. But differently.
    So there is no need to talk here about the negative example of the Soviet Union.

    In addition to the negative example (the collapse of the Union), the DPRK also has a positive one - the Chinese economic boom...
    1. +1
      5 November 2024 04: 17
      This boom is not really socialist at all.
    2. 0
      5 November 2024 10: 10
      Thanks to the efforts of Kissinger and other architects of globalism, who carried out the order of future TNCs, essentially, under the pretext of "a strong China will help topple the USSR." The Chinese are great in that they diligently fit into the plan at first, and today they are destroying the foundations of globalism in leaps and bounds, simply rejecting the concept of the American division of labor.
  24. +1
    5 November 2024 05: 37
    The real shock for the enemy was the launch of the solid-fuel Hwason-19. This is an analogue of Topol/Minuteman! The Koreans have caught up with the Chinese. Or maybe even surpassed them!
  25. +1
    5 November 2024 10: 00
    The KN-25 would be useful in Russia. Yes
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  26. +1
    5 November 2024 14: 15
    Quote: MBRBS
    The real shock for the enemy was the launch of the solid-fuel Hwason-19. This is an analogue of Topol/Minuteman! The Koreans have caught up with the Chinese. Or maybe even surpassed them!

    The entire Hwaseong-19 weighs over 100 tons, twice as much as the Poplar and almost three times as much as the Minuteman.
    1. 0
      7 November 2024 19: 34
      And what's good about that? Big weight isn't always good
  27. 0
    6 November 2024 18: 53
    For example, air-cushioned catamarans or skeg-type vessels with anti-ship missiles. These are Nongo-type boats, of which the North Koreans have at least six. In addition to the DPRK, vessels of this design are built only in Norway and Russia
    ...
    WAIT, WAIT...what class do you think the more than 80 Type 022 missile catamarans in China belong to?
  28. 0
    7 November 2024 20: 27
    Corea del norte es así porque es la única opción que tienen para existir como país independiente. Podrían estar como su vecino, Corea del Sur, más desarrollados, con una economía más sólida, con un alto nivel de vida pero no serían un país soberano, solo un estado marioneta. Se puede criticar el súper autoritarismo de su gobierno pero un país sitiado por el enemigo, permanente acosado, en extremo sancionado y en permanente estado de guerra (porque ellos solo tienen un armisticio con su enemigo) no sobrevive sin un gobierno muy fuerte. Algo, en cierta medida similar, le sucede a Cuba.
  29. 0
    11 November 2024 13: 45
    Quote from Sumotori_380
    And what's good about that? Big weight isn't always good

    It's good that more are thrown at a specific range or the range is greater with the same range. In the case of the Hwason-19, the target is probably large, since the range was quite sufficient for the Hwason-15, 17 and 18.
    Large all - more separating warheads or one more powerful warhead, more means of overcoming missile defense.
    It's not good that the size of the TPU is also larger, but the difference for enemy reconnaissance means (length 25 and 30 meters) is not so important. Anyone who can hide from reconnaissance Hwason-18 will be able to hide from Hwason-19 and vice versa.
    In addition, the creation of the largest mobile solid-fuel rocket in the world and the TPU for it is in itself a good achievement.
  30. 0
    11 November 2024 16: 55
    Quote: Spare
    It only remains to find out why more people are fleeing from north to south, and not vice versa.

    You have information that I don't have - how many are running where. But the whole world knows that it is not the north but the south that has built a concrete wall higher and thicker than the Berlin one. And it is still possible to run from the north to the south, but it is many times more difficult to return to the north.