Nebenzya: There will be no new Minsk agreements or freeze of hostilities along the front line

Russia will not agree to any freezing of the conflict along the front line, the special operation will be conducted until the previously announced goals are achieved. This was stated by Russia's Permanent Representative to the UN Vasily Nebenzya at a Security Council meeting on Ukraine.

Speaking at a Security Council meeting, the Russian diplomat said that there would be no new Minsk agreements, nor would there be a freeze on the conflict along the front line; Russia would not agree to this. According to Nebenzya, Zelensky needs this so that Ukraine could "lick its wounds" and be ready for war against Russia again. Russia will also not allow Ukraine to join NATO in any form.

I would like to warn you right away that there will be no repetition of the scenario with the Minsk agreements, no freezing of the front so that the Zelensky regime can “lick its wounds”,

- said the Russian permanent representative.

As of today, all the goals of the SVO, voiced by the Russian president, including complete demilitarization and denazification, remain in force, they will be achieved in any case. Nebenzya also drew the attention of his Western "colleagues" to the fact that the territory controlled by the Kyiv regime is shrinking every day during the offensive of Russian troops.

It is worth noting that the topic of freezing the conflict along the front line is being actively discussed in Ukraine. At the same time, it is stated that such a format is allegedly being promoted by the West. If it were adopted, Kyiv would get a respite of several years to rearm and reorganize the army, but Moscow will not agree to this.

Comments

[Yuri_I]

no repetition of the Minsk agreements scenario, no freezing of the front

It's a real balm... I'm all for it!!!

[MARGADON]

No, no, such Yeltsin-style tricks are not enough. Freeze, then start all over again. Finish off the enemy to the fullest.

[Stardock]

Nebenzya is just retelling Putin's words. Putin's position is clear. There is nothing new.
In addition, Putin adds that until the Kursk region is liberated, any negotiations are out of the question.

[Vladimir M]

Was the goal of the SVO "the liberation of the Kursk region"? There should be no negotiations at all until the goals of the SVO announced on February 24, 22 are achieved.

[Stardock]

Vladimir, follow the events. Putin agrees to peace talks after we reach the administrative borders of 4 known regions.
Our goals have changed.

[Huarabey]

You should start following the events yourself. Putin has repeated more than once that peace talks are the achievement of the goals of the SVO by peaceful means. If they do not want to fulfill Russia's conditions peacefully, Russia will achieve these goals by force. The goals do not change, do not fantasize.

[Stardock]

Warabey, Putin has for the first time set the exact geographical boundaries of his. It is a fact.
You are writing nonsense, a tautology - peace negotiations are the achievement of the goals of the SVO by peaceful means.

[Huarabey]

He did not name the borders of the North-Eastern Military District, but the borders of territories at that time that would definitely be Russian.
It is you who write nonsense. Peace negotiations will be (if they are) precisely about the fact that dill fulfills all of Russia's conditions voluntarily. If they don't want to fulfill them voluntarily, they will become food for worms.

[bayard]

Quote: Stardock

Putin has for the first time set the exact geographical boundaries of his country. This is a fact.

Putin voiced the demands and conditions under which the negotiations CAN BE BEGUN. All other conditions and demands will be voiced during the negotiations.
That is, the algorithm is as follows:
- Kyiv accepts our conditions, ceases fire and begins the withdrawal of its troops from the territory of the Russian Federation (from the Kursk, Donetsk, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions). This is a condition for the START of negotiations.
- After the withdrawal of all occupation troops from the territory of the Russian Federation, including the right-bank part of the Kherson region and those two or three districts of the Nikolaev region where referendums were held in 2022, negotiations WILL BE ABLE TO BEGIN, during which Russia will present all its demands - territorial, legal, legislative (mandatory for the adoption of laws securing the status and conditions of existence of the remaining b\u11), financial (reparations to compensate for all damage inflicted on the republics of Donbass starting from May 2014, 24.02.2022, and all damage inflicted on Russia since February XNUMX, XNUMX, as well as to cover all expenses of the Russian Federation during the SVO, damage from sanctions and lost profits from trade, all damage inflicted on the Russian Economy. The trial of war criminals and their sponsors, as well as international obligations b\uXNUMX and the conditions of Russia's protectorate over the remaining territories b\u. These are the most general requirements and conditions, the rest will be announced during the negotiations themselves.
Demands and reparations to NATO countries will be presented during negotiations with the countries of this alliance. One of them will certainly be the demand for the demilitarization of Europe and compensation for damages.
Everything is fair.

[single-n]

Too optimistic. Sturgeon will have to be cut back significantly, as there are no prerequisites for such large-scale demands yet.
It will most likely be limited to freezing the LBS +- bast shoe and lifting some economic sanctions. And of course, not accepting Ukraine into NATO. At least in the coming years.
Everything else is fantasy. This could have been demanded if our tanks had been stationed somewhere near Ternopil and 2 years earlier.

[VladimirNET]

Quote: Single-n

Too optimistic. Sturgeon will have to be cut back significantly, as there are no prerequisites for such large-scale demands yet.

And no one can limit Russia in THESE demands, in any case => the demands are already different (not the same as before).

[single-n]

Can I provide you with a list of countries - who CAN limit the requirements? And yes, they are different. The situation has changed.

[VladimirNET]

Quote: Single-n

Can you provide a list of countries - who CAN limit requirements?

They TRIED to force us before, but they can't: we haven't been the same for a LONG time now...
If Russia has not been surrendered "at the top" yet, then they will not surrender, I think. And since we do not surrender, then we win!

[single-n]

It is difficult to judge who wanted what there and who pushed whom in what. Since 9/10 of the information does not reach us. And what is reported, each side presents as a super victory. I do not think that we will be informed about the redistribution of the same influence in Africa. Or shares in the mines of different countries.
As for the SVO, we no longer demand demilitarization. But we demand a piece that we did not claim before. Just like the list of sanctions is now very different.

[VladimirNET]

Quote: Single-n

Because 9/10 of the information doesn’t reach us.

But the MAIN THING is getting through - constant successes at the front, and everything else: I think it will follow...

By the way, based on the prophecies - the Americans in 2025 (I won't say the exact date) - will stop supplying weapons to Ukraine. And that means the probability of Trump is GREAT.

[single-n]

About constant successes - they just don't tell us much about the successes of opponents. They don't even mention the price of success.

Well, and the prophecies. I can predict something like that
And Trump may be even worse for us than Biden.

[VladimirNET]

Quote: Single-n

As for constant successes, they just don’t really tell us about the successes of our opponents.

Independent sources confirm the picture:
"Sanya in Florida" alone is worth something.

[single-n]

Sanya is a so-so source. Uncle is hyping, and there is a good 50% objectivity there. I watch him and others. Including foreign-speaking ones. Which are not at all intended for Russian speakers. Even the reports of the chief of staff (or the academy of the general staff?) of the Austrian army. And there everything is less rosy. The front line is wagging like a "martini boat". Sectors change hands many times. Conventionally, today the Ukrainian Armed Forces are sitting in the landings, tomorrow the Russian Armed Forces, in 3 days again the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Not everyone writes about strikes on the territory of the Russian Federation either. There are enough videos of landings and burning equipment from both sides. As well as videos of the destruction of groups of soldiers.
There is a trend with the offensive of the RF Armed Forces now. But at the same time it is clear that the impulse is drying up. Of the 7-8 main directions (Kursk, Kharkov, Kupyansk, Toretsk, Pokrovsk, Selidovo-Ugledar, Gulyaipole, and possibly Zaporozhye-Orekhov) the main successes are now only near Kurakhovo. It is also Ugledar-Selidovo. In the other areas either they have stopped short, or there is a small advance. Perhaps we are saving up our strength and just resting. After all, 3 months of active offensive. But nevertheless. The collapse of the front and mass flight are not in sight.
P.S. The same foreign sources, even extremely pro-Russian ones, noted the successes of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Toretsk. We have silence in this regard. Well, that's normal. Propaganda and all that. Just divide the bravura statements about the destroyed enemy by 2-3, and multiply the reports of losses by 1,5-2 times and you will get a more realistic picture. This applies to both sides.

[bayard]

Quote: Single-n

Sturgeon will have to be cut back significantly, since there are no prerequisites for such large-scale demands yet.

Well, it's not us who need negotiations. The conditions were slightly softer before, now everything is more difficult. The fronts in Donbass are crumbling, in the Kursk region, exceptionally convenient conditions have been created for the disposal of enemy equipment and personnel, and they won't be able to get out of there for a long time - they will send new ones, burning up reserves. A difficult winter is ahead, there are strange elections in the USA and everyone is preparing for a civil war, there is less and less money and supplies for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
We don't need negotiations, everything is fine with us. And the North Koreans are coming for training. We have no need for negotiations or a truce, we are simply working on a systemic solution to a complex but completely solvable issue.
If someone is not satisfied with the conditions, they can walk around the market and haggle.
The enemy does not have and does not expect superiority in the number of personnel, artillery, ammunition, their air defense is constantly being knocked out and even partially replenishing it is becoming increasingly difficult. And after endless raids by man-catchers, our army will be met precisely as a Liberator. So why should we rush, let the situation mature.

[single-n]

The Poles are being prepared to replace the Ukrainian Armed Forces. And the Ukrainian Armed Forces themselves will be replenished with the same thieves from the EU. Plus NATO has enough money to recruit mercenaries. Involving North Korea is also not very beneficial for us. This will allow NATO to expand both the quantity and quality of supplies. Their crying about there being nothing should not be taken too seriously. They just don't want to invest much money yet. BUT if the pressure is on, they will be able to find a few hundred billion more.
As for citizenship in the US, I don't know. I don't think it's possible today. Unrest, rallies, lawsuits, yes. But a straight-up repeat of the 1860s... I don't think so.

[single-n]

There is no Copenhagen about the USA. Therefore, we will leave it to your conscience.
And as for the rest.
It’s not much, but it’s enough to occupy key cities in western Ukraine.
We won't attack NATO soldiers, will we? Unless the rest of NATO distances itself and the Polish army goes into battle. As an initiative of a separate state. At the same time, we need to understand that the Poles will drive the rest of the Ukrainians before them. Including those who fled to them like in the EU in general. And that's hundreds of thousands. Maybe not super motivated, but still soldiers. Plus mercenary "volunteers".
And why do you think that the DPRK is so eager to send us 200-300 thousand soldiers? And how much will it cost us? And that other countries don't use this as a pretext to send their armies. For example, Argentina. There is a shitty standard of living there now, and a guy with a chainsaw is frantically looking for cash. For promises of several billions of money, you can "recruit" part of the Argentine army. There are many places to look. Half of South America would agree to fight a little for a green card for a mercenary and his family. Which is what we are already seeing.
And the worse the standard of living in the EU becomes because of the SVO, the easier it is to find hungry and dissatisfied people for the army. Especially since they are carefully hammering home the idea that Russland and VVP personally are to blame for everything. Once they are removed, the golden times will return again.

[osp]

South Korea is a very serious country both in military terms and in terms of the military-industrial complex. They produce a lot of weapons.
They are already threatening to supply it to Ukraine and send instructors there.
They can produce tens of thousands of shells per month.

[bayard]

Quote: Single-n

We won't hit NATO soldiers, will we?

Why ?
Or right now we are not their special forces, including the American "Delta" in the Kursk region? Or have we not sent enough Poles to Bandera (in the Polish Hell, Bandera commands devils and frying pans for the Poles) during even this SVO? Or have we not heard enough Polish speech in radio exchange since 2022? Since the counteroffensive in the Kharkov region? There was enough Romanian there too...
Not only we, even Lukashenko officially declared last year that if Poland officially enters the West Ukraine with its troops, Belarus will enter the war. For the sake of driving the Poles out of ALL of b\u200bU. So if Batka got so worked up, then we will even more so. Moreover, NATO's entry into the war (or that of its member countries) immediately and radically transfers the conflict to a completely different level - with NATO, the only war that can happen is nuclear.

Quote: Single-n

The Poles will drive the rest of the Ukrainians ahead of them.

Yes, they are already driving - according to Zelensky's decree, TCK will now be 90% staffed by Poles. Everything is much closer and not at all as it seems.

Quote: Single-n

And why do you think that the DPRK is so eager to send 200-300 thousand soldiers to us?

Although it was just an assumption, I think that it is burning. Besides, they are communists, they have their own concepts of honor, duty, and attitude to allied obligations. They learned this from our former selves. And they haven’t lost it. And they remember how the USSR and China saved them when the USA assembled a UN coalition against them and came with a war. They still live by that war. They still have only a truce.

Quote: Single-n

For promises of several billions of money, even part of the Argentine army can be “recruited”.

Argentina won't go, their president is already seeking friendship and patronage from China.
No need to guess, you just need to do what you have to and everything will work out.

[single-n]

Or are we not working on their special forces right now, including the American "Delta" in the Kursk region?

We are working on LEGALLY volunteers. NOT ACTIVE US soldiers. Otherwise, it is actually a declaration of war. These are "they are not there". And "polite people". There are no US or Polish army units there. LEGALLY. That is why NATO cannot use the entire spectrum of weapons there and in full.
That they are driving, yes. But not all that they can. They even feel sorry for the youth. And there are still quite a few men. Although I have a feeling that if there are another six months or a year of such battles, they will really drive everyone out.

Although it was just an assumption, I think that it is burning. Besides, they are communists, they have their own concepts of honor, duty, and attitude toward allied obligations. They learned this from our former selves. And they haven't lost it. And they remember how the USSR and China saved them when the USA assembled a UN coalition against them and came with a war. They still live by that war.

It's all beautiful, but nothing is forgotten as quickly as gratitude. Especially in politics. There, profit rules. And we must not forget about it.
And most importantly, what does the Russian Federation have to do with the USSR? We are ideological heretics, apostates and traitors. Worse than the bourgeoisie. WE supported the sanctions against the DPRK until the very end. The famine in the DPRK in the 90s is also our merit. It was not we who helped them, but the USA, Japan, South Korea. At that time, my friend Billy and I were hugging and dancing Kalinka Malinka. And there, millions were dying of hunger. Something like that.
And we pour shit on the USSR and the entire communist movement at the official level.
So it is not for us to talk about the honor and duty of the DPRK communists.

[bayard]

Quote: Single-n

We are working on LEGALLY volunteers. NOT ACTIVE US soldiers. Otherwise, it is actually a declaration of war. It is "they are not there"

If official NATO troops or NATO countries appear on the b\u, this will mean (for us, as the president has already repeated more than once) that NATO has entered the conflict, and this is an immediate transition from a conventional conflict to a nuclear one. And we will strike first, and immediately in full force. That is why the new changes in the Doctrine. This is precisely why NATO is stalling. We will not play with NATO.
And it will be their choice.

Quote: Single-n

That is why NATO cannot use the full range of weapons there in full.

So we don’t use it to the full extent either, Rzeszow is standing there, Warsaw, London. They’re still standing there.

Quote: Single-n

They still feel sorry for the youth. And there are still quite a few men.

There are no volunteers anymore. Not only Ruin has come to an end, but also Khovanshchina. These will no longer be warriors, and the technologies of development have been worked out simply without fail. FABs with UMPK will grind down any positions and fortifications. The survivors will remain disabled, no matter how many of them you send.

Quote: Single-n

Nothing is forgotten as quickly as gratitude. Especially in politics. There, profit rules.

The trick is that it is VERY profitable for the DPRK. Through an alliance with Russia, they immediately enter the first league. And all the issues are in strategic stability, food security, sales markets, access to technology, modernization of the Army in terms of combat aviation, air defense, and a sharp increase in trade turnover. Military services to an ally are also not free - contract soldiers in the Russian Federation are paid very well, for Koreans this is simply a breakthrough in prosperity, and the state will pay off. And in the event of a war in the region, North Korea will have two powerful allies at once - Russia and China. This is very profitable for Pyongyang. And it is definitely worth fighting for.
In addition, soon hundreds of thousands of Korean construction workers will be able to receive invitations from Russian employers. Instead of Tajiks and other Kyrgyz, whom the preachers from MI-6 are whipping up against Russia. This will be VERY good for the Koreans of the North and very good for Russia. Tajikistan will return to its native villages. Together with the preachers.

Quote: Single-n

And most importantly, what does the Russian Federation have to do with the USSR? We are ideological heretics, apostates and traitors.

Well, the attitude is very direct. The authorities - yes, they are traitors, but it's like changing a person's faith. And now the "pillars" of this faith have set out on a crusade against us. So it's not far to return to the "faith of the great ancestors". Not to communism of course, what are these "isms" for, but to a Solidary Society, to a Sound Mind and a Firm Memory. Especially since our allies now are such that we must urgently get rid of the heresy of liberalism... and renounce it as if it were Satan. War sometimes clears the brain well.

Quote: Single-n

It is not for us to talk about the honor and duty of the DPRK communists

So it’s not us doing it to them, but them doing it to us. This is what they tell us, that they will stand with us in the same trench. That for them this is not political expediency (although this too) but "duty and honor". At least that is what their official representatives tell our representatives. And they remember our kindness, help and support, we have forgotten this. And their consciousness is not damaged by the poison of liberalism.
If high moral qualities are instilled and nurtured in several generations, it becomes part of Consciousness. Part of one's own Self, the Collective Unconscious. Then living righteously is like breathing. The rot of liberalism and church obscurantism have crippled the soul of the Russian people for 33 years, and another people rules them. But the Koreans of the North have preserved themselves. Finding such an ally for us in such a difficult time is a Great Blessing.

[Stardock]

Ukraine and the West will never accept Putin's conditions that you have stated.
This is an ultimatum for a losing country from a position of strength.
But the real situation is completely different.
In Putin's proposal, Russia gets a lot, but does not bear any obligations.
This doesn't happen in negotiations.
This is how we talked to defeated Germany in 45.
Ukraine and the West have already rejected Putin's proposal.
They don't think this offer is fair.

In negotiations between equals, the following happens:
I want to get X, but in return you give me Y.
Only then will there be peace.

[bayard]

Quote: Stardock

This is an ultimatum for a losing country from a position of strength.

Yes .

Quote: Stardock

This doesn't happen in negotiations.
This is how we talked to defeated Germany in 45.

That's exactly it. And that's the only way it will be.

Quote: Stardock

Ukraine and the West have already rejected Putin's proposal.

And that's great, we continue to fight. We'll decide everything on the battlefield.
It would have been much worse if they had agreed right away. Fortunately, this is impossible.

Quote: Stardock

In negotiations between equals, the following happens:

We have no equal here. There is an illegal Nazi regime, expired and having no right to represent the state (by the way, we have a legitimate president for them, but we are unlikely to get him), a gathering of war criminals under external control. We already had treaties and agreements with their predecessors, not a single treaty or agreement was fulfilled by the Kyiv regime. Not once and not once. The limit of trust in their word and signature (!) has been exhausted. There will be NO truce. The war will continue until the complete defeat and destruction of fascism in Ukraine, or until this regime completely and UNCONDITIONALLY capitulates to the victorious Russian Army. The algorithm of actions for the former in case of acceptance of these conditions is set out for you.

Quote: Stardock

I want to get X, but in return you give me Y.
Only then will there be peace.

There will be no peace with the fascists. There will only be complete and unconditional capitulation. Or the complete destruction of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the criminal regime of Kyiv.
Will there be peace with Europe... we'll see.

[Stardock]

Boyard, you are clearly exaggerating our capabilities.
In two and a half years of war we have won back only 1800 sq. km, out of 10 sq. km of Donetsk region alone. How many more regions are there in Ukraine? Are we going to fight for another 000 years? No need.
You have to be a realist, with all the desire to win. Didn't Gostomel teach you anything?
We need to find a compromise.

[bayard]

Quote: Stardock

We need to find a compromise.

With whom ?
Minsk-1?
Minsk-2?
Minsk-3 smoothly flowing into Istanbul?
Grain agreements?
This is only with used cars and the most significant ones. Has used cars fulfilled at least one of these agreements? Kept their word?
Not !
And if not - then there are NO negotiations. Moreover, they themselves have legally prohibited themselves from entering into negotiations with us.
Thank you, at least they solved this problem in our favor. From those who still want to "talk".

Quote: Stardock

You are clearly exaggerating our capabilities.

Not at all. We are fighting slowly, without overexerting the economy and without unnecessarily traumatizing society. At the beginning of the Central Military District, the Russian Federation had an army that was too small... to the point of indecency. Now the Army is growing and strengthening, receiving weapons, rebuilding infrastructure. Our capabilities are growing every day. A purge has taken place and continues in the Army and the state apparatus (it is slower and more difficult there), the economy is becoming more and more independent, we are gradually moving from exporting raw materials to exporting their derivatives, with a higher degree of processing. Gas processing plants have already started operating and continue to be built, and the construction of the first gas chemical giant on the Amur is being completed. New mineral fertilizer plants are being built (in Germany and in Europe in general, many of these have closed), roughly speaking, instead of gas we will sell fertilizers, this is a very energy-intensive production, and exporting fertilizers is both more convenient and more profitable. An increasing share of exports is made up of oil products - new and modernized oil refineries have started operating, shipbuilding is developing, new shipyards are expanding and being laid down, including those of the "super" class - for the construction of tankers, gas carriers, container ships, dry cargo ships, lighter carriers and other ocean-going vessels and in large quantities - for OURSELVES. We need these ships. A little more creaking with import substitution and the domestic aviation industry will finally start up. And when the domestic market is satisfied, our airliners will again enter the international market. We simply have no other choice - we need aircraft, a lot of them, of all classes and in a short time, which means that having satisfied its demand, the industry will begin to work for export. And we have good aircraft. Manturov has already been removed from the Ministry of Industry and Trade, all that remains is to clean up the other tractor drivers - for the sake of quality management. Soon the components for our aircraft will be mastered (hardware) and the aviation industry will start working. The auto industry was down with the departure of Western companies, but the factories remained and are now slowly coming back to life, this is in the passenger car sector. And in the cargo sector ... KAMAZ is building a new plant in Moscow and after its launch will almost double the production of trucks. Lithium-ion batteries are produced at several plants and production, the range is growing. And if we take into account our needs for almost everything, all that is needed is a political decision and the GDP can be easily and naturally doubled in 7-10 years. And then the economy will continue to grow at the same pace for at least 20 years.
So there is no need to rush with the SVO, and there is no point in wasting time either, this fuss is wearing out NATO, bleeding Europe dry, and undermining their FORMER hegemony. We just need to methodically do our job. Russia will emerge from this confrontation much stronger than it entered it, and it is more convenient to develop the returned territories in parts, because the Outskirts, no matter how big they are, are still returning in a very destroyed state. But if it is necessary quickly, everything will be decided within the next year. We have everything we need for this, we have already learned how to break their defense, there are enough resources and they are arriving. We will succeed... But in the USA, a serious flame of Civil War may flare up, and it is not a fact that the USA will emerge from it as a united state. But that is there - across the ocean.

[Stardock]

Boyard. Thank you for the informative, long post.
All the facts you have cited are true. We have many plans. Today, the main center of the country's development is the Far East. There are really good economic indicators there.

But there are objective, generalizing key economic indicators.
This is inflation, the rate, the central bank, the ruble exchange rate. It is by these that the economic health of the state is judged. And the indicated indicators are sad, with negative! dynamics.
The quality of life of a number of population groups has fallen - pensioners, public sector employees, small businesses, trade, housing and communal services... Military money is passing them by.
Yes, there is growth in GDP, but it was achieved exclusively due to the growth of military production.
All the fruits of this production - tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, missiles, shells, etc. will be destroyed in a short time.
Example: If we dig a second Black Sea and then bury it, then GDP growth will be 30%
Will you be pleased with such growth?))

[bayard]

Quote: Stardock

inflation, rate, central bank, ruble exchange rate. It is by these that the economic health of the state is judged.

The state of affairs in this area rather depends not on the state of the economy (this will be a secondary factor - as a consequence), but on the policy of the Central Bank. It is its policy of availability of borrowed/investment funds and the COST of these funds (the discount rate) that determines the state of the ruble as a currency and the size of inflation. If the final cost of money for the final borrower (not a reseller - a commercial bank) does not exceed 5%, there will be no inflation in the country, domestic prices will be stable and, as a consequence, the exchange rate of the national currency relative to the stable equivalent will be stable. The lower the interest rate on a loan in the country, the more stable and dynamic the Economy and Society develop, the more stable the domestic prices, the more stable the exchange rate of the national currency.
It would seem that according to the Constitution the Central Bank should/must contain inflation and ensure a stable exchange rate of the national currency. And thus instill calm and confidence in businesses that all their investments and undertakings will not go to hell due to: a jump in prices (inflation), a collapse or unjustified strengthening of the national currency (devaluation) and a change in the Central Bank's policy on resignation on credit.
Does the Central Bank fulfill at least ONE of its obligations?
NO .
The exchange rate is constantly in a fever, prices are constantly jumping up, the interest rate on a loan will soon be like in 1992, because like an untrained doctor, the head of the Central Bank loves to treat problems in the economy and finance with ONE UNIVERSAL PILL - by raising the interest rate on a loan. It's like treating a patient with anemia by bloodletting, and our economy is extremely under-monetized, it needs to be treated by INFUSING fresh blood (money), not by withdrawing it. But the Central Bank of the Russian Federation always acts in the opposite way: put the hungry on a diet, feed the obese so much that it comes out of their ears. THIS is the root cause and the main culprit of all the troubles and instability in the economy. And this is not surprising, because the Central Bank is not at all an institution of power of the Russian Federation, is not under its jurisdiction, and is not accountable or subordinate to the Government, the President, or the State Duma. It cannot be ORDERED, it can only be asked. Yes, yes. Well, and consulted on some issues. Not the state power over the Central Bank, but the Central Bank itself - overseeing the Russian Federation, its power and its economy. This is Real Capitalism.
This is what the Power of Capital means.
International.
How Russia manages to fight and show economic growth at the same time... that's another thing. I'll just say that the outflow of blood from the body was very seriously limited on the second day of the Second World War. 25.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX. In addition, part of the previously lost blood (money) was returned to the economy. And also an arrest was imposed on all credit funds poured into the Russian Economy by foreign/international banking - in response to the arrest of Russia's reserves. That's why the revenge of the IMF (international banking) and its representative office in the Russian Federation - the Central Bank. We'll see how this game ends. I'll just say one thing - for an under-monetized economy, especially, ANY INVESTMENT, both direct and state, is USEFUL, life-giving and saving. Including in the defense industry (the US, for example, has always gotten out of a crisis by increasing military spending). But our investments went not only into the military-industrial complex and the Army, but also into development programs.

Quote: Stardock

All the fruits of this production - tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, missiles, shells, etc. will be destroyed in a short time.

But the money spent on their production will remain in the Russian Economy and, spreading as financial flows along cooperative chains, will launch a synergy and a multiplier for the entire economy. So, as strange as it may seem to you, the more we spend on weapons, the more will remain in the state, the more money in the economy, the healthier the economy. After all, we do not buy our equipment and weapons abroad.

Quote: Stardock

Example: If we dig a second Black Sea and then bury it, then GDP growth will be 30%
Will this growth please you?

The example is incorrect. I will give you a correct one.
Let's say there is a crop failure - famine - in the country... or in some locality. And the local prince has grain in his bins. A lot. Simply distributing it would be a loss to the treasury, and the people would become lazy. And so he announces that he is calling on all men to work on the construction of... roads - capital, paved, with drainage systems and other infrastructure. Stone in the local quarry, sand in the neighboring quarry, he will pay a sack of grain a week. People are saved from starvation, and in a year wonderful roads are built in the principality. The grain from the bins is spent usefully, famine is prevented, and next year there will be a rich harvest and the grain is transported for export along new roads. That's how it should be.
The sea could also be dug up and buried... it's just that then the roads would not have appeared in such splendor. This is, by the way, a historical example.

[Stardock]

Boyard, with all due respect to you, but your economic reasoning is deeply flawed.
Raising the Central Bank rate is the main means of reducing inflation and supporting the economy.

At a high rate, fewer loans will be taken, there will be less money in circulation. And sellers of goods will not raise prices.
But for now, no matter how much you raise, everyone will buy it.
The same goes for the cancellation of preferential mortgages, which reduces inflation.

The main reason for inflation is the huge, sharp increase in expenses on its own. In addition to the direct line of expenses on the Ministry of Defense, each subject of the federation spends about 10% of its expenses on its own through payments to contract soldiers, purchasing food, transport, etc.
Business does the same. Voluntarily and compulsorily.
You confuse cause and effect.
All economists speak well of Nabiullina. She is a professional in her field.
She has submitted her resignation to Putin more than once. But he won't let her go.
During a protracted war, economic cataclysms and a decline in living standards are inevitable. War is very expensive.

[bayard]

Quote: Stardock

During a protracted war, economic cataclysms and a decline in living standards are inevitable. War is very expensive.

I agree with this, but with the rest... no thanks.

Quote: Stardock

Raising the Central Bank rate is the main means of reducing inflation and supporting the economy.

Everything is exactly the opposite, and don't argue with me. Nabiullina is just blatantly lying... I don't even know, it's probably her chutzpah, stating that the Russian economy overheated! Overheating of the economy is OVERPRODUCTION, and we definitely don't have that, we have underproduction in almost all categories of goods. Overheating of the financial sector is an excess of MONEY in the economy that cannot find a use. But the economy of the Russian Federation is UNDERMONETIZED - there is about 40-45% less money in the economy, in circulation and generally issued than is necessary for NORMAL functioning. Our monetization is currently at a level of about 55% of GDP, and it should be 100% of GDP plus or minus 5-10%. And if money is the lifeblood of the economy, then the Russian Federation is experiencing ANEMIA. Such an organism needs to be fed better and at least infused with saline solution. And to fight inflation it is necessary to MINIMIZE the interest rate on the loan as much as possible, and the loan itself (for the Economy - companies, enterprises, especially in the manufacturing sector) should be as accessible as possible, so that the economy develops, and does not stagnate. With an expensive loan, the entire bank interest rate, especially in the production of goods with a long production cycle, will go into the cost price and as a result the price of the goods WILL INCREASE / increase. If at each stage the cost of the goods increases by the amount of the increased loan rate, then hyperinflation is not far away, as was already the case in 1992. And I remember that period very well, it was then that one of my programs saved the oil producing industry from collapse - right at the height of hyperinflation, in the summer of 1992. All oil companies then adopted this program on the recommendation of the minister, and a few months later Gazprom did the same.
So don't sing me mantras from "Economics", I leafed through it (Economics) just the day before that program ... I experienced culture shock, then laughed, then talked to a friend about this topic, as proof of my rightness I suggested right there to sketch out an example of a program with the most absurd title "Getting the Russian Federation out of the crisis by accepting the construction of a powerful aircraft carrier fleet of 10 super-class aircraft carriers and escort ships for them". We laughed, and then I laid out the entire program and ... my friend was already in culture shock, and his father, a leading specialist in oil resources of the USSR/RF, came in with applause. And the next day my friend's father came up to me with ... leading questions about one problem that his brainstorming group at the ministry was ordered to solve. They weren't succeeding, the allotted time was running out, and then I showed up. Without knowing the background and that this was not mental gymnastics, I immediately issued this program on the fly. And a day later it was accepted.
So there is no need to argue with me on macroeconomics, especially based on "Economics" and the opinions of its victims. I studied Political Economy and I know the value of my opinion. Although my basic education is military. If you want, you can listen to Mikhail Khazin on this topic, I completely share his opinion on these topics.

[Stardock]

Boyard, it looks like I've entered your clearing where you are a specialist.
That's why I'll drive more quietly and carefully.)
I read your post twice. And I don't agree with it at all.
Please answer my questions:
How is this possible at the moment with inflation?
Overheating of the economy is almost always excessive financing of economic growth, excessive lending. In this situation, excess demand, shortage of raw materials and labor force lead to price increases.
High salaries of a well-known category - the military and the military-industrial complex and the wage race in business, which is losing personnel to the military-industrial complex and to its own - are the main source of inflation.
There is a lot of money, but few goods.
With a real inflation rate of 8-12%, there can be no talk of any long-term projects.

[bayard]

Quote: Stardock

Overheating of the economy is almost always due to excessive financing of economic growth, excessive lending.

Lending to whom?
Business?
No! Our business is actually over-indebted. As is the population.
Why
Yes, because they don’t have enough money!! The first ones don’t have enough to increase working capital, and therefore to increase production, the second ones don’t have enough money to live, the reason is low salaries.
What is Nabiullina doing?
Instead of lowering the interest rate on a loan for business so that it could invest in expanding production and increasing output, it raises the discount rate to a stratospheric 20-21%. And this leads to the fact that business has to pay much larger sums to the bank in addition to taxes, the cost of production grows and sells worse, revenues fall, it is increasingly difficult to pay interest on the loan and business ... what? That's right - it curtails production, reduces output volumes, because it can no longer afford the same volume of working capital. There are fewer goods on the market and they become more expensive. People cannot afford to buy them in the same quantities and switch to something cheaper / alternative (low-quality imports) and / or go to the bank for a new loan at a higher interest rate. As a result, they become even poorer, because now they are forced to give the bank even more. And the increase in the market of imported goods leads to the bleeding of one's own business and to the furious stimulation of foreign business. This was the case with Russia in the 90s, when VAT was also introduced and... hello hyperinflation.
That is, raising the bank rate always leads to inflation. Always! It's like putting out a fire with gasoline or treating cholera with plague... Or how to fight addiction to soft drugs by prescribing heroin to the patient.
That is why, having created a race of usurers, their god imposed on them the strictest restriction - to lend to a stranger at interest, but not more than 5% per annum! This was a strict prohibition, knowing the greed of the new race.
As a result, only banks benefit from all of Nabiullina's actions, mainly international banks, the owners of the IMF. And in this unprincipled manner they violate the strict prohibition of their own god. And God in response deprives them of their minds. This is precisely why banks and the media and experts that belong to them praise Nabiullina so much, this is why she is so popular in the West - with her cunning she brings her owners huge superprofits. And she also loses her mind from the vengeful god of usurers. And having lost her mind she falls into an even greater frenzy. Of course, she does not do this herself, but according to the IMF manual.

Quote: Stardock

With a real inflation rate of 8-12%, there can be no talk of any long-term projects.

Real inflation today is approximately 20%. Of course, no production, much less growth, is possible with such a rate. This is what world banking and their supervisor for the Russian Federation Nabiullina are trying to achieve.
Fortunately, Russia has other sources of financing, investment and lending. That is why we are seeing economic growth despite the temporary halt in the auto industry, the departure of Western businesses from the Russian Federation, the "sanctions from Hell", the war, huge war costs, etc. The rejection of the IMF's "Budget Rule" alone brought huge amounts of money into the country and the budget. A lot of capital has returned from offshore zones, closed channels for the withdrawal of capital from the Russian Federation, and the transition of foreign trade to national currencies. Nabiullina is trying to neutralize all this positive effect now. She has already caused a lot of harm with such rates, but... The Central Bank of the Russian Federation is also just a bank. And it can be taxed progressively in favor of the state, deprived of its status as a regulator, or even just a license. It is possible to do without commercial banking altogether and this will only improve the economy. State banks will cope quite well and will be completely controlled by the state and work in its interests. They tried to do this in the fall of 2005... it didn't work then, but then the Russian Federation was weak, now it's different. If the usurers don't remember the Ban of their god and don't return to Reason, it will be their choice.

[Stardock]

Boyard, your statements contradict the basic concepts of economic science. An excerpt from an article from one of the largest banks - Alfa Bank:
- High and low values ​​of the regulator have their pros and cons. When this indicator decreases, the following processes begin to occur in the economy:
Loans are becoming cheaper.
Interest rates on deposits are falling.
The purchasing power of the population increases, as a result of which the general state of the economy improves.
Inflation is rising because producers cannot quickly saturate the market with goods in high demand.
And more. Banki ru website:
Under a strict monetary policy, banks issue loans at relatively high interest rates, manufacturers begin to take fewer loans, since payments on them become burdensome, and businesses try to optimize their activities. The population also reduces its credit activity. In these conditions, deposits and savings accounts become more attractive.

This policy reduces the risk of overheating of the financial sector and slows inflation, while also limiting economic development.

Therefore, the Bank of Russia conducts monetary policy in such a way as, on the one hand, to prevent inflation from accelerating too much and overheating the economy, and on the other hand, to provide optimal conditions for its development.
More details on the Banki.ru website https://www.banki.ru/news/daytheme/?id=10981696
From myself - inflation is growing at low Central Bank rates, and it is the main brake on economic development.

[bayard]

Quote: Stardock

Boyard, your statements contradict the basic concepts of economic science.

What science? "Economics"?? Is this a manual for a financial vocational school or technical school??? This is not a science at all, all the cunning of the customers of this opus is sewn with white thread. I laughed so hard when I first leafed through this "masterpiece". How can you talk about this... not even stupidity, but rather about the so-called "Gypsy magic" - creating a glamour for a robbery, and so that the victim does not understand anything. Have you encountered anything like this?

Quote: Stardock

An excerpt from an article from one of the largest banks - Alfa Bank

Whose bank is this? Who is its owner?

Quote: Stardock

more. Banki ru website:

Well, this is ridiculous. This is not science, but vague mantras and hand gestures of a sorcerer. This is what SCAMMERS say, do and write.
By the way, in the very beginning of the 90s I... how can I say this... was in the personnel reserve of the Rothschild management structures in the USSR\Russia. From the moment when it became clear that my work\program "how to make the Soviet ruble a freely convertible currency" that was not sent to the "Leontiev Competition" turned out to be head and shoulders above the winning program of that competition. I learned about this from the members of the evaluation committee that evaluated these competition works. The very structure that was headed by Khodorkovsky and Nevzlin. And I know how the first commercial banks and "financial companies" were created in the Russian Federation and elsewhere, I remember, I was familiar with many of the creators. And my friend and I were offered a place in that very "Gaidar government", for example, I was offered to bankrupt enterprises of the Russian Federation and several other republics. And my friend was offered to head the financial department of the "Ministry of Industry" (now it is the Ministry of Industry and Trade). At that time Gaidar was not yet prime minister, it was only being conceived and they were assembling a team for him. My friend and I thought about it, consulted and... politely declined. And we never regretted it.

Quote: Stardock

Loans are becoming cheaper.
Interest rates on deposits are falling.
The purchasing power of the population increases, as a result of which the general state of the economy improves.
Inflation is rising as producers fail to saturate the market quickly

In reality, everything is completely different, but they are fooling people's heads so that the essence of banking fraud does not become obvious to everyone... because it is, damn... obvious. In fact, the owners of the bank/banks are interested only in PROFIT. All other manipulations, words and gestures are only for THIS. And the profit of banks is the bank interest. This is why they pump economies on a planetary level, and not just on a national level, from crisis to crisis. All the profit of banks is on these fluctuations. And since international banking has a lot of money, there is always enough of it for bribery and education, for carrying up the career ladders of politicians, talking heads of various levels, various kinds of "experts", revolutionaries, bandits, representatives of big business, all kinds of fashionable artists, etc., etc., etc. Wars and revolutions, coups d'état and various kinds of reforms are organized for this. For this, various kinds of economic and political currents, movements, parties and doctrines are created. And these friendly trained teams are very well trained in how to fool people's heads... With that same "gypsy magic".
Since it has not been possible to stir up internal unrest in the Russian Federation today, and the economy has not collapsed, efforts are being made to cause an economic and financial collapse. This is what the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is doing now by raising the rate. I just found out yesterday that mortgage loans and other consumer loans are already costing 40 and even 50% per annum. And this is already the threshold of hyperinflation. The consequences will come quite quickly, and they are already being felt in the consumer market - inflation is accelerating. Because the bank interest rate is precisely what includes the inflation component, and the higher the interest rate, the higher the inflation will be and ... the more diligently Nabiullina will put out the fire with kerosene - raise the discount rate. I am just watching this now. As well as the elections in the USA. There will be a lot of interesting things, but not everyone will like it.
All these crises are treated simply - a sharp reduction in the interest rate, refinancing of the economy and citizens at a low interest rate, or even writing off all or part (most) of the loans (this is a tough option). And for this, you just need Will and Sovereignty. Will the Russian Federation want to show the first and take the second ... we'll see. But the IMF and its owners have clearly gone for broke.

[Stardock]

Boyard, you are citing serious facts. Please tell me the names of economists who adhere to the same guidelines for the Central Bank rate as you do.

[bayard]

Quote: Stardock

Please tell me the names of economists who adhere to the same guidelines for the Central Bank rate as you do.

There are enough of them, but I will suggest one - Mikhail Khazin.

[Vladimir M]

This is what is scary, that our goals have become different. After some time, the goals may change again.
I didn't give you a minus, I almost never give minuses.

[Stardock]

Vladimir, I already have thousands of minuses. Your one minus is a drop in the ocean))
Many people don’t like that I objectively talk about the realities of war and don’t shout every day that tomorrow is our victory.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Stardock, I agree. Personally, I understand what the goals of the SVO are. But on 24.02. the Supreme Commander expressed (indirectly) that the Odessa region can also change its citizenship.. We'll see..

[guest]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

and Odessa region can change citizenship

She can't, but must change her citizenship. As long as the Nazis have access to the sea, Russia will not have a peaceful life.

[Stardock]

Andrey Nikolaevich, while the war is moving in a completely unpredictable direction, Russia has already activated all its military and technical reserves. Except for nuclear ones.
Military factories operate 7/24.
The stockpiles of military equipment in warehouses are, to put it mildly, not increasing. T55 tanks are already crawling across the black soil.
The pearl by the sea is being intensively hit by missiles, drones. Ships are being sunk. And who unloads these ships?
What should local residents think?

[bayard]

Quote: Stardock

Russia has already activated all its military and technical reserves.

Not all of them, they are only being formed and accumulated.

Quote: Stardock

Besides nuclear ones.

Everything is fine with nuclear... reserves, there are enough for everyone. By the way, they are also growing.

Quote: Stardock

Military factories operate 7/24.

And they are constantly increasing the supply of their products.

Quote: Stardock

The stocks of military equipment in warehouses, to put it mildly, are not increasing.

There are still a few years left for modernization.

Quote: Stardock

T55 tanks are already crawling across the black soil.

Did you confuse them with the T-62M?
Although there are also T-55s, but they have been used as infantry support since the beginning of 2023, fortunately there are plenty of shells for them, so why not crawl? But these are mainly T-62Ms, 300 of them should be there this year after modernization, and over 200 last year. So why shouldn't they crawl? With a new engine, a sight from the T-80U, a new radio station? After all, that's why they were modernized, so that they could crawl and fight, there are plenty of shells for them. The Germans have already supplied the Banderas with so many Leo-1s, and these are exactly the same age.

Quote: Stardock

The pearl by the sea is being intensively hit by missiles, drones. Ships are being sunk.

Not ships, but vessels. And what detonates in their holds?

Quote: Stardock

And who unloads these ships?

It's fate, Old Man, it's fate.

Quote: Stardock

What should local residents think?

How to hide from the TCC, if they did capture you - how to surrender correctly and avoid shots in the back from the barrier detachments, and for the rest - how to wait for the Russian Army, which when it comes, will definitely restore order.
And they need to remember whose clan and tribe they are, with whom their ancestors fought all the wars, what language their parents spoke/speak in the family, how much happiness "European integration" brought them, who drives them like sheep to the slaughter and catches them in the streets, to whom the Kyiv prisoners sold all their lands and gave them away for debts. Let them think more often about the future of their children, because if they are "young Banderites", then their fate is sad and unambiguous.
And you know... it seems to me that this is exactly what they are thinking about right now.

[Stardock]

Boyard, you contradict yourself.
If the production of tanks was equal to their destruction, then ancient tanks would not be on the front lines. It is clear that their survival rate is very low.
And every year at least 1000 tanks are destroyed on both sides. Although different figures are given.


About factories. All the big growth of the country's GDP over the past 3 years - 4% per year - was provided by a multiple increase in the production of military equipment. This is reality.
The Ministry of Economic Development plans for 25 to grow GDP by only about 2%. Industry has hit a development ceiling.
Factories are already operating 7/24.
They can't work anymore - 8/25 ))
It is impossible to build a new tank factory even in 1 year.
There is an acute shortage of personnel

[bayard]

Quote: Stardock

Boyard, you contradict yourself.

Not one iota.

Quote: Stardock

If the production of tanks was equal to their destruction, then ancient tanks would not be on the front lines.

Old man, why lower yourself so much? The first T-62s and a small (!) number of T-55s appeared mainly in the southern direction at the turn of 2022 and 2023, and not so much because of a lack of tanks in stock, but to save 125 mm. caliber ammunition, and to reinforce the infantry in defense. Where they have since been used not as tanks, but as highly protected short-range self-propelled guns. It's just that we have a lot of 100 and 115 mm. caliber shells in our warehouses, their shelf life is ending, and the troops have already noticed a shortage of ammunition. So, to evenly expend the available ammunition and to "use it with benefit", the T-62M and T-55 were sent to the troops - as self-propelled guns of fire support. T-62s were also sent to reinforce the border with the northern part of Ukraine (Kursk, Belgorod, Bryansk regions). T-55s (a small number of them) were seen only and specifically in the southern direction, when they were preparing and then holding the defense against the "counteroffensive" in the summer of 2023. Nowhere else.

Quote: Stardock

If the production of tanks was equal to their destruction, then ancient tanks would not be on the front lines.

Last year alone, the industry delivered a little over 2500 new and upgraded tanks to the Army. This year, I expect around 3500. And at this rate, we can continue to take tanks from storage bases for upgrades for several more years. Without touching the T-55. And the T-62M is scheduled to be returned to service through upgrades, 800 units in 3 years.
For reference, at the beginning of the SVO, we had over 7500 T-72, 5500 T-80, 2000 T-62 and (attention!!!) 1500 T-55 at storage bases. Oh yeah, and another 2500 T-64 with almost zero mileage.
Why are there so few old ones?
Since Soviet times, T-62s have been actively sold abroad, while T-55s and T-54s were simply disposed of.
Now calculate for yourself how long, with such losses (as you assumed) and with such a rate of return to service, we will be able to take tanks from storage bases for modernization?
And this is despite the fact that we are also producing new T-90Ms. And at Omsk Transmash, they are preparing to launch a new modification of the T-80 into production. Both at UVZ itself and at Omsktransmash, new production and assembly buildings have been built. They have already been built, and more than one at both plants. For the second year in a row, ChTZ has broken its own Soviet-era records for the production of tank engines. Production of the GTU for the T-80BVM with a capacity of 1250 hp has been resumed, and a new GTU-1500 is being prepared for testing - for the new modification.

Quote: Stardock

It is impossible to build a new tank factory even in 1 year.

And expanding the existing one is easy. At UVZ and in Omsk, it was built in 1,5-2 years, filled with everything necessary and launched. By the way, the production areas in Kurgan have also been greatly expanded. And for the production of "Koalitsiya-SV" there are also new production buildings. They are working.

Quote: Stardock

There is an acute shortage of personnel

There is, but it is being overcome - professionals have earned their living, they are being trained in the production facilities themselves. Salaries have become decent and people have gone to production facilities.
Unemployment has become close to zero, so competition for personnel has increased, salaries are rising. And that's good.

Quote: Stardock

The Ministry of Economic Development plans for 25 to grow GDP by only about 2%.

Yes, these slackers said the same thing last year and the year before... They're lying, don't believe them.

[Stardock]

Boyard, the most authoritative publication on military topics, and which is used by the majority of journalists, is the Institute for the Study of War - ISW.
Here's a quote from them: Between the last quarter of 2022 and the second quarter of 2024, Russia increased production:

tanks by 215% – from 123 to 387 units per quarter;
armored vehicles by 141% – from 585 to 1 units per quarter;
artillery guns by 149% – from 45 to 112 units per quarter;
short-range air defense systems by 200% – from 9 to 38 units per quarter;
medium and long-range air defense systems by 100% – from 6 to 12 units per quarter;
Lancet loitering munitions by 475% – from 93 to 535 units per quarter.
Certain figures can be explained by the fact that Russians do not produce completely new equipment from scratch, but intensively update old ones.

80% of Russia's production of armored vehicles and tanks is now the result of upgrading existing hulls from old stocks, rather than producing new equipment,
analysts say.
From myself. Of course, during wartime, numbers are an ideological weapon. And you need to treat them with caution. As with your numbers too.)

[guest]

Quote: Stardock

The most authoritative publication on military topics, and which is used by the majority of journalists, is the Institute for the Study of War - ISW.

Authoritative for whom? As I understand it, for you the most authoritative source of information during WWII was Goebbels.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Stardock, that's true... I think the locals don't give a damn. Starting with the Trade Union House. No matter how much they shout that "we love Russia", I don't really believe it... I'm sorry,

[Stardock]

Andrey Nikolaevich, I think that before his time, many more Ukrainians loved Russia.
But our harsh shelling of all of Ukraine killed this love. No electricity, which means no water, no transport, no communication... There is no light in hospitals, maternity homes...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Stardock, they didn't like Russia. They used Russia. It was profitable for them.

[Stardock]

Andrey Nikolaevich. For many Ukrainians, Russia has long become a second home. Millions of family ties with Russians.
Since the beginning of the century, about 2 million Ukrainians have come to live in Russia.
The dilemma: loves - does not love, even a daisy will not judge))

[BecmepH]

Quote: Stardock

The stocks of military equipment in warehouses, to put it mildly, are not increasing.

You are wrong. You are writing something you do not know. Our military-industrial complex, in addition to what goes straight from the workshops to the front, also stores and exports. I am writing what I know 100%!

Military factories operate 7/24.

This, yes

T55 tanks are already crawling across the black soil.

And rightly so. Why should they gather dust in storage bases? They will do as an armored self-propelled gun

[single-n]

And rightly so. Why should they gather dust in storage bases? They will do as an armored self-propelled gun

As a very crappy SPG. They have neither modern fire control systems, nor normal elevation angles, and the shells themselves are not at all howitzer-like.

[bayard]

A normal "SPG" for infantry fire support. And the sight is normal, and it can VERY well fire directly, and it will withstand heavy shrapnel.

Quote: Single-n

and the shells themselves are not at all like howitzers.

High-explosive fragmentation ones are quite good there. It will take any infantry fighting vehicle and other armored vehicles, except for a tank in the front. It will take it in the side.

[single-n]

There are tanks for direct fire.
SPGs either hit from closed positions, or have better protection than tanks. Or are much lighter/cheaper.
1 T-55/62 do not have modern fire control systems, which means they will shoot less accurately and take longer to aim. Which increases the risk of return fire.
2. OFS are primarily needed to combat pillboxes and bunkers. To destroy obstacles, and not to fire at infantry fighting vehicles. And here a tank gun is a completely dull thing. The weight of explosives in its projectile is the same as that of the 105 mm howitzer M102. Only their howitzer hits 3 km further and can be mounted on any truck. And the aiming angles allow for overhead fire, which is many times more effective and allows the SPG/gun to be hidden from the enemy. And if we compare it with other SPGs... For example, the M109. (well, so that the weights are approximately equal and the years of creation).
The range there is 3 times higher, the caliber is different, and the explosive content in the projectile is 3 times greater.
We will mention separately that the normal howitzer has a variable propellant charge, which further simplifies the selection of an artillery position and the destruction of a target.
So all that the T-62 has is a chance to evade return artillery fire due to its armor. And the fact that there are many of them in warehouses. And they don't need to be made.

[bayard]

Of course, Dima hasn't heard/seen/read about the fact that tanks have been firing mainly from closed positions of the OFS for the last 1,5 years. Moreover, the quite modern T-72B3M and T-80BVM are also doing this, so it's definitely not shameful for the T-62M and T-55. Moreover, they operate from the near rear and the first line, along a flat trajectory, which makes the flight of shells invisible to counter-battery radars and does not reveal their positions.
I don't even want to argue about the rest, it has been said hundreds of times - they are for reinforcing firepower for infantry IN DEFENSE. There are many of them, their sighting systems are designed for firing from closed positions and there are LOTS OF SHELLS for them. That is why they were pulled into the SVO - to utilize old ammunition with benefit.
The T-55 and T-62 are not self-propelled guns, they were and remain tanks, but are not used as tanks (although they can do that), but as highly protected self-propelled guns to reinforce infantry in defense. This is their role, not their classification as a type of weapon. In war, every barrel, every shell counts, and since there are a lot of shells, they must fly at the enemy. At the same time, they not only cost nothing, but their use also saves money on their disposal.
And it is completely stupid to compare these tanks with ... howitzers. If there are no shells for these howitzers, they are worthless in battle and in war. If these howitzers are towed or lightly armored, then they will never compare with a tank in terms of survivability. These are different equipment. And since all modern MBTs fire from closed positions, there is no particular difference whether it is a T-72 or a T-62. In the case of the latter, we will save on 125 mm shells by recycling the old 115 mm, and we will also save the life of the MBT barrels.
You think narrowly, Dmitry, you don’t notice the obvious, you get distracted by stupidity. And your comparisons are all with NATO equipment... If you are such good guys, then how come in less than 3 years you have wasted all the Soviet legacy, all your (used) reserves, former Warsaw-based young NATO members and everything collected for you from the Soviet Union from all over the world... now you are fighting on NATO territory. Your president is a beggar. Cannibals hunt men like animals... It’s a disgrace. How many people have you ruined in this war, and how many more will you ruin... You have destroyed your country to dust, how many children have you orphaned... And you are still trying to boast about something. You are calling for death, shame and oblivion for your entire family... This is some kind of... G(Kh)anba.

[single-n]

If the opponent has no arguments, then this circus with ISPSO and TD begins.

About the fact that for the last 1,5 years tanks have been predominantly firing from closed positions of the OFS... Especially since they operate from the near rear and the first line, along a flat trajectory, which makes the flight of shells invisible to counter-battery radars and does not reveal their positions.

This is a masterpiece of military thought. A closed position on the front line for direct fire

Especially for you, military education

Closed firing position
a location for the deployment of an artillery or mortar unit for firing, chosen behind a forest, fold in the terrain, or a populated area. 3. o. p. must hide from enemy ground observation not only the material part of the artillery, but also the glare, smoke and dust from the shots.

And why can't I compare tanks with howitzers? You called them SPGs yourself. Since YOU transferred them to this category, then they will be compared with their classmates. I don't like NATO equipment. Let's take Soviet equipment. But there is nothing less than SPGs there.

[bayard]

Dima, did you fall from the Moon? Or from Nibiru?
This topic has been so beaten/walloped over for 2 years, there have been SO MANY publications, stories, videos, programs and competent comments on this topic that... I am at a loss... Where did you come from? These are truisms and almost/virtually everyone on this forum knows about it. You look like a savage who came down from the mountains for salt. Really, you can't do that... This is some kind of rock bottom.

Quote: Single-n

They work from the near rear and the first line

After all, it's written in plain Russian - from the near rear from a closed position along a flat trajectory. And in the front line - from ambushes from camouflaged positions. There were so many reports about this, from these very positions, to explain to such stubborn Dima why T-62s and even T-55s were brought to the SVO in the fall of 2022. The army was going over to strategic defense. And these tanks were very appropriate. Just as T-62s are appropriate now where the front is stable and active combat operations are not being conducted - to strengthen and provide fire support to the infantry in defense.

Quote: Single-n

And why can't I compare tanks with howitzers?

Yes, because they can only be compared with the Rapira anti-tank gun, which can also do more than just direct fire, and works quite often. Only it is a tank. It does not provide high elevation angles for the gun, so it fires along a flat trajectory, which is even better in the current conditions.

Quote: Single-n

this circus with ISPSO t TD.

Isn't that so, Dima? You work rudely, unprofessionally. You've created a circus.

Quote: Single-n

If the opponent has no arguments

Dima doesn't have them. He has stupidity, impudence and blatant bias.

[single-n]

So many letters with favorite accusations about work in IPSO. But in essence, everything can be reduced to my answer

So all that the T-62 has is a chance to evade return artillery fire due to its armor. And the fact that there are many of them in warehouses. And they don't need to be made.

Let's find 10 differences with the answer hurray patriota

There are many of them, their sighting systems are designed for firing from closed positions and there are LOTS OF SHELLS for them. That is why they were pulled into the SVO - to utilize old ammunition with benefit.
T-55 and T-62 are not self-propelled guns, they were and remain tanks, but they are not used as tanks (although they can do that too)

At the same time, this same individual wrote the following

This, yes
T55 tanks are already crawling across the black soil.
And rightly so. Why should they gather dust in storage bases? They will do as an armored self-propelled gun

I understand that it is hard for a patriot to accept reality, and therefore he will attribute to himself the answer of his opponent, while simultaneously dousing him with feces.

[bayard]

Quote: Single-n

So many letters with favorite accusations about work in IPSO.

Well, if they accuse you so often, then it’s a sin to complain - it means you deserve it.

Quote: Single-n

So all that the T-62 has is a chance to evade return artillery fire due to its armor. And the fact that there are many of them in warehouses. And they don't need to be made.

And how do you then classify the German assault self-propelled guns of the WWII period and the Soviet SU-85, SU-100, ISU-152? The point is that the T-62 and T-55 are now used in approximately the same capacity. The SU-100 also could not raise its barrel high, and its gun is the same as the T-55, but it often fired from closed positions along a flat trajectory.
Insolence, stupidity and bias must be punished, so don’t be offended – you deserve it.

[single-n]

And how do you then classify German assault self-propelled guns?

As self-propelled guns with better armor/weapon than the tank on which it is built. Something we have never seen with the T-62.
The SU-100 had a more powerful gun than its T-34 base. Even in the T-34-85 modification. It's ridiculous to even mention the ISU-152. And the SU-85 is just a ersatz until the T-34-85 appeared. And then they were quickly taken out of production.
You don't even know these basics?


. . Do you understand that a flat trajectory for tanks is actually a direct line of sight? 5-8 km. And the smallest hill is often an insurmountable obstacle?
Or do you only know how to see IPSO people everywhere?

Insolence, stupidity and bias should be punished, so don't be offended - you deserve it

[bayard]

Quote: Single-n

Do you understand that a flat trajectory for tanks is actually a direct line of sight? 5-8 km. And the smallest hill is often an insurmountable obstacle?

Falling from the moon again?
For almost 2 years now, tanks (all of them, not just the old ones) have been firing from closed positions, at an angle that their design allows, and they use mostly HE shells. The T-62s do the same.

Quote: Single-n

And how do you then classify German assault self-propelled guns?
As self-propelled guns with better armor/weapon than the tank on which it is built. Something we have never seen with the T-62.

Why, both the T-62's gun and armor will be better than the T-55, on the basis of which it was created. And its protection is much higher than that of the "Gvozdika", "Nona" and even "Akatsiya". What can we say about the advantage in armor over the "Sprut-SDM", which, unexpectedly, is also a self-propelled gun.
But Dima wants to show off, but he lacks arguments. Just antics:

Quote: Single-n

You don't even know these basics?

Dima learned the "basics"? Are you familiar with the "buki"? Is it catching fire somewhere? Is it falling apart in Donbass? By the way, T-62Ms are also fighting here and are doing quite well. Or did the "Abrams" and "Leopards" catch fire in the Kursk region? Doesn't he want to say anything about the Leo-1 due to German generosity? How is its 105 mm gun? Isn't it too tight? Isn't it too small? So why are we crushing a loaf of bread on the T-62M, which has 115 mm. and is not older? And the armor will be more serious. And even those several T-55s that were spotted on the southern front in early 2023 are in any case better, stronger and more powerful than that wheeled tank\misunderstanding from the French master.
Is it different?
Doesn't Dima like the T-62M?
But during the "Five-Day War" with Georgia, he took down two Georgian T-72s. With the detonation of the ammo, one of them had its turret blown off so beautifully... The old man did quite well? He's doing well in the SVO too.

[single-n]

For almost 2 years now, tanks (all of them, not just the old ones) have been firing from closed positions, at an angle that the design allows, and they use mainly high-explosive shells. The T-62s do the same.

They do. And not because life is good. But simply as soon as a tank sticks out into the open, they start to pound it with everything they can. So normal SPGs cosplay tanks. Which, in principle, do not need to stick out or be so close to the LBS. Since their firing range is at least 1,5-2 times greater.
Can you at least decide on the questions? And then you ask about

And how do you then classify German assault self-propelled guns?

And then you happily prove that the T-62 is stronger than the T-55.

Why, both the T-62's gun and armor will be better than the T-55, on the basis of which it was created

What are you comparing with? Reich assault self-propelled guns and a bunch of Soviet self-propelled guns from the WWII with tanks from those years. Or two tanks from the Cold War, with each other?
And the T-80 is stronger than the T-64A, so what? The T-64A is no longer a tank, but a self-propelled gun?

And once again. A normal SPG for conducting artillery fire covers all these ersatz weapons like a bull covers a sheep. Trivially due to a higher range, better elevation angles, variable charge and higher filling of the projectile with explosives, as well as the caliber itself. We will also mention that the range of ammunition for SPGs is often larger.
All that tanks have is armor - short SOMETIMES it helps. Because they are forced to come close to LBS where drone operators happily hit them. Yes, that they just exist. And we have to use what we have.
Well, and sometimes you can fire direct fire from a BOPS at moving targets.

No, I understand that Uryaism affects the brain and the ability to think logically, but this is just too much.
You, take care of your nerves. Otherwise, the CIPSO agents are everywhere. And you might not have enough sedative. And then I will have to support you, the poor thing. Since your insurance policy is paid for from my taxes.

[bayard]

Quote: Single-n

And the T-80 is stronger than the T-64A, so what? The T-64A is no longer a tank, but a self-propelled gun?

Did Dima fall from somewhere again?

Quote: Single-n

we have to use what we have.

And what does Dima's invincible army "have"?

Quote: Single-n

I understand that uryaism affects the brain,

What struck Dima? Why did he throw such a tantrum? Does Dima not even need tanks anymore? All tanks should be removed from the front immediately, Dima knows better, he will drag a cannon.
Or is Dima convulsed by the failures of his native pig-Reich?

Quote: Single-n

CIPSO is everywhere.

Dima should know better, since he mentions his native department so often.
Don't worry, Dima, this is hysteria, it will pass.
And depression will begin.

[Stardock]

Western, let me not believe you that our new tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, shells, missiles, and Pantsirs are going to the warehouse, and not to our own. There are only more than a hundred new T90 Breakthroughs on the LBS.
We don't have as much electronics as those on these tanks.
The core of the tank fleet is the T72, modernized after being removed from storage.
It is precisely because of the shortage of equipment that there are no major, strategic breakthroughs. Why carry out mobilization if there is nothing to arm the unit with?
It's a war of attrition.

[bayard]

Quote: Stardock

Let me not believe you that our new tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, shells, missiles, and Pantsirs are going to the warehouse and not to our own.

Well, most likely, ammunition is sent to the warehouse, including SAMs, ATGMs, replenishing the losses, because the ammunition from the warehouse should be used and replenished by placing new ones, so that the stock does not become old.
Tanks and other armored vehicles usually go to newly deployed units and to replenish losses.
As for the Pantsir and other air defense systems, they can be supplied to allies and customers both to close old contracts and at an urgent request from those in particular need. Let's say such an "urgent request" allegedly came from Iran (according to the same British intelligence), so they could very well. We have an incompletely closed contract with India for the supply of S-400 air defense systems, but there will be no supplies to them until all previous supplies for various items are paid, there is a debt of about 2 billion dollars. But the gypsies tried to get everything else and delay payment allegedly due to the "inability to make payments". This is a lie, he who seeks will always find a way to pay.

Quote: Stardock

There are more than a hundred new T90 Breakthroughs on the LBS.

Right now these tanks are not particularly needed there, the ones that exist are enough. It is better to save the T-90M for the meeting with NATO. Or until the general offensive.

Quote: Stardock

We don't have as much electronics as those on these tanks.

These problems occurred last year - there were not enough thermal imagers and Sosna-U sights for all T-90M, T-72B3M and T-80BVM. Therefore, thermal imagers and sights from the T-80U, which were used for the first versions of the T-90, were TEMPORARILY installed on some of the upgraded tanks. There are enough of them in warehouses, so there are enough for the upgraded T-62M as well. The latter with such a thermal imager and sight turned out to be very good. Now the production of Sosna-U has been increased and covers all needs. The problem has been solved.

Quote: Stardock

It is precisely because of the shortage of technology that there are no major strategic breakthroughs.

There are no strategic breakthroughs because no one is striving for them. To develop success after a breakthrough, a sufficient number of forces is needed - two to three times more than there are now. But now the task is to force the Ukrainian Armed Forces out of their fortifications in the Donbass into the steppe, where they will be easily driven all the way to the cities of the Dnieper region. The operational techniques that the Russian Army uses quite effectively break the enemy's defenses and allow them to conduct offensives with relatively limited forces, minimizing losses and risks. But they inflict very serious damage on the enemy. Listen to your Arestovich, he has long since chewed everything up for you. You can have any attitude towards his personality, but as a military analyst he is very competent and sober. And according to his calculations, the Russian Army will be ready for a strategic offensive by the end of this year - by the spring of next year as a deadline. Until that date, there is a planned grinding on all fronts and squeezing out of the fortifications with limited forces. All the "happiness" of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is yet to come.

Quote: Stardock

It's a war of attrition.

For some it's death from exhaustion, for others it's purification and healing. The process is painful, but it's like catharsis. Not everyone will survive it.

[Stardock]

Boyard, thank you for the detailed explanations.
It is pleasant to read you. You present your thoughts logically and consistently. The style of an experienced political worker, leader.
Am I even 10% right?

Your thesis - no one is striving for rapid impulses - is unconvincing, contradicts the tasks set by the Supreme - to reach the administrative borders of the 4 known regions.
Speed ​​of execution of a combat mission has always been considered a high art.
Switching to football terminology, I will say - we score as many goals as the opponent allows.

Your story about exhaustion is completely absurd.
What kind of cleansing can we talk about if the country’s economy is seriously undermined?
Hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars will be needed for restoration. What is already happening, for example, in Mariupol, where 500 thousand people used to live, and now how many?

[bayard]

Quote: Stardock

even 10% right?

Only partially - he was not a political worker. But he was the best in the course in these disciplines and a member of the Military Scientific Society since 1985.

Quote: Stardock

Speed ​​of execution of a combat mission has always been considered a high art.

For the speed of offensive operations, an appropriate order of forces and means is necessary. At the beginning of the SVO, the Russian Federation had a group of combined forces of about 150 thousand, the enemy had 350 thousand in the regular army alone + the National Guard, border troops and other security agencies, and from the very first day, Mobilization was declared. Kyiv alone gave 3 thousand volunteers in 70 weeks, all mobilization activities were well worked out over the past (before the SVO) years and they had a fairly large / numerous and well-trained reserve. The RF Armed Forces did not prepare for war, no preliminary deployment or even a call for volunteers was carried out. They simply had to react to the preparations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for the assault on Donbass, the artillery preparation for which began in the first days of January 2022 (I am a resident of Donetsk, so I am a witness myself). The plan was simple - deploy troops on the border with Ukraine and thereby force Kyiv to abandon the adventure. It didn't help, the shelling intensified, the evacuation of children's institutions and civilians began, mobilization was declared in the DPR and LPR, because having a total of 60 thousand bayonets according to the staff (in reality, before mobilization, about 35 thousand), the staff was not fully filled, there were many "dead souls". But the mobilization was carried out and they were able to send quite serious forces to other sections of the fronts of the North Military District, where the RF Armed Forces did not have enough infantry. The RF Armed Forces were able to allocate only about 100 thousand bayonets, scraping the bottom of the barrel. The LDPR gave 60 thousand bayonets. That's what they started with - with a threefold superiority of the enemy from the first days of the conflict. At the same time, they actively and rapidly advanced. If the RF Ministry of Defense had at least as many more in the second echelon, the war would have ended by mid- to late summer. But there was no second echelon, because a long conflict was not envisaged. The task was to force the former to peace. By the beginning of autumn, the balance of power in the SVO became 5 to 1 in favor of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Therefore, although with a great delay, a partial mobilization of 300 thousand people was carried out and recruitment for contracts for new units began. The number of the Ground Forces of the Russian Armed Forces, as well as the Airborne Forces and the Marine Corps of the Navy began to increase rapidly.
280 thousand - the TOTAL number of the RF Armed Forces Ground Forces at the beginning of the Northern Military District + 50 thousand Airborne Forces and about 20 thousand Marine Corps of the Navy. Now, only in the Northern Military District zone, a group of more than 600 thousand is permanently operating (according to V.V. Putin). Plus trained reserves, troops in training centers undergoing training and combat coordination, new formations and associations are being deployed in the western direction, the number of the Air Force and the strike forces of the Navy is increasing. Today, the RF Armed Forces are not at all what they were 3 years ago. But for a quick solution to the Northern Military District issue, a group of 1,5 million bayonets is needed for the Northern Military District alone. With the inevitable strengthening of the entire border with NATO and the entire western direction. So our unhurriedness has resulted in the acquisition of real strength and a real Army. An analyst from the enemy camp, but nevertheless a good analyst - Arestovich is confident that the RF Armed Forces will acquire readiness for a Strategic Offensive by the end of this year - by spring of next year at the latest. And then everything will change. In principle, I agree with him on this. Neither the Ukrainian Armed Forces nor NATO will have any chances. Time wasted. That is why there is hysteria in the enemy camp, attempts to force Russia to negotiate and negotiate a truce on more or less acceptable terms for themselves. There will be no negotiations - there is NO legitimate power AT ALL in the former. There is simply no one to talk to there. And they have forbidden "themselves" to conduct any negotiations with Russia.

Quote: Stardock

for example, in Mariupol, where 500 thousand people lived before, and how many now?

Until 2014, Mariupol had a population of about 450. Since then, it has only decreased. People always flee from war, especially when the assault began. There are much fewer there now, but people are returning.

[Stardock]

Boyard, thank you for the great analytical post.
It contains some interesting information.
But I have my own view of events.
Your thesis that the Russian Federation was not preparing for military action does not stand up to any criticism. On the eve of the war, large-scale military exercises were held everywhere. A reform was carried out in the army. New equipment was received. The importance of numbers, bayonets and machine guns were relevant in the times of the mustachioed Chapaev and the cavalry hero Voroshilov.
Today there are different criteria.
How much and how quickly can we deliver the spark right behind the enemy's collar?
Only new technologies will solve this issue. Well, correct understanding. With a correct assessment of the forces of one's own and others' resources.

All Western media have been writing about Russia preparing for war since the fall of 21. Heads of state have issued warnings.
The Kremlin categorically denied everything until February 22.
Several years before the events, Medvedchuk, who was also responsible for organizing a local opposition in Ukraine, created a corresponding party.
And probably he sent to Moscow victorious reports on the socio-political situation in Keratna. They say that the local people sleep and dream of the Kremlin stars on Khreshchatyk, on the Verkhovna Rada and the Kyiv Lavra.
The unsuccessful start of the war, especially its northern direction to Kyiv, is entirely on the shoulders of large gold stars. Then the elite of our army suffered greatly.
By May 22, the situation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine became critical. The army was almost exhausted.
There was one step to signing the Istanbul Agreement.
But then the West woke up and realized that it doesn’t need our Iskanders, T90s, and Su 35s in the Lviv region.
And he made a decision on full-scale military assistance.
I wouldn't rush to talk about NATO's chances. Our resources of any kind are incomparable with them.
We need to look for solutions not for a ceasefire, but for a final peace. This is extremely difficult at the moment.

[bayard]

Quote: Stardock

We need to look for solutions not for a ceasefire, but for a final peace. This is extremely difficult at the moment.

There will be no final peace without a final victory on the battlefield. The West does not want peace, otherwise we would have agreed long ago. Therefore, there will be war until the final defeat of the Ukrainian Armed Forces or until they admit defeat and are ready to capitulate on our terms. Our terms are soft for now. For now.

Quote: Stardock

I wouldn't rush to talk about NATO's chances. Our resources of any kind are incomparable with them.

We have never had any plans for a conventional war with NATO. Especially not now. If it happens, there will be a global nuclear strike immediately. And precisely because we have fewer resources, including human ones. But in terms of nuclear weapons, everything is in order, moreover, we have a very serious advantage. Both in terms of the quality of delivery vehicles and in the quality and condition of the nuclear warheads for them. It’s just that we have been constantly engaged in this, neglecting the Ground Forces.

Quote: Stardock

And probably he sent to Moscow victorious reports on the socio-political situation in Keratna. They say that the local people sleep and dream of the Kremlin stars on Khreshchatyk, on the Verkhovna Rada and the Kyiv Lavra.

In fact, there were generals in the Ukrainian Armed Forces who were ready to cooperate, but here British intelligence outplayed us, and our main one was taken in by the "guarantees" of the CIA chief (he came to Moscow on the eve of the SVO, convinced us), and so we fell into a trap. Medvedchuk had been under house arrest for over a year by that time. And the Ukrainian generals, participants in the conspiracy, were shot on the spot - in the General Staff and the headquarters of the "South" group, with the participation of Aidar's militants. It was because of this that there were no generals left in Mariupol at all, and a whole bunch of NATO and Israeli officers and generals were urgently transferred there to provide at least some kind of military leadership. Our guys captured them there, and then secretly exchanged them.
So the chance of success of the SVO, if there was one, was very illusory. And the reason why the Kremlin went on such an adventure (meaning with such meager forces, with such strange orders, without any reserves and without carrying out any mobilization measures after the start of the SVO... I think this will remain a mystery for a long time.
In the meantime, we are waiting for the US elections and preparing pop-corn or sunflower seeds to watch the start of the Civil War. Only after it becomes clear that they will succeed there, it will be possible to make plans for the future in the Northern Black Sea region, because without US support, Europe will not be able to take the war out.

[BecmepH]

Quote: Stardock

What should local residents think?

They should have thought earlier... They surrendered themselves to the fascists.

The pearl by the sea is being intensively hit by missiles and drones.

And they shoot at our territories with slingshots. And they aim at ravines, swamps, steppes... i.e. where there are no civilians...

[Stardock]

Western, with an acute shortage of missiles and shells, no one will specifically destroy cities and villages for the sake of destruction.
Another thing is that both sides use residential buildings as convenient, strong fighting positions.
The concrete of houses is stronger than a trench or a dugout. This is the sad side of war. But without it, the losses on all sides will be much greater.

[BecmepH]

Quote: Stardock

Western, with an acute shortage of missiles and shells, no one will specifically destroy cities and villages for the sake of destruction.

And who said there is an acute shortage? There are enough missiles and shells both for us and for the enemy.

Another thing is that both sides use residential buildings as convenient, strong fighting positions.

That's right. The only difference is that we use empty houses, and the enemy uses civilians.

[Stardock]

Western, it is known that the resource of many gun barrels, especially those removed from storage, has long been exhausted. Artillery is the main source of threat. It is destroyed first of all. There are few self-propelled guns left, and towed artillery is slow-moving and vulnerable.
Banging on village barns with kids out of revenge - to reveal oneself.
Nobody will do this.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: Stardock

Many people don’t like that I objectively talk about the realities of war,

Yes, you are right. Many people don't like it. I also don't like it when a person, not having FACTS first-hand (or even better - first-hand), calls his personal opinion, based on subjective perception, "objective". This, if you like, is somehow immodest.
After all, the goals and objectives of the SVO have remained the same - which is constantly stated at all levels of power, from the Supreme to local authorities. And the actions of both the leadership (legislative and executive authorities) and the executors (the army and diplomats) do not give grounds to doubt this. At the same time, in your "objective" opinion - they suddenly changed for some reason

[Stardock]

Petr Koldunov, you are either inattentive or deliberately distorting the goals and objectives set by Putin. Compare his statements: On June 14, 2024, Russian President Vladimir Putin put forward his conditions for the start of peace negotiations with Ukraine, the main ones being two points: Ukraine's refusal to join NATO and the withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from the territories of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhia and Kherson regions.
And his speech on February 24, 2022, where he, in his speech about the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that the goal of the “special military operation” is the “demilitarization and denazification” of Ukraine.

From myself. Therefore, your statement that the goals and objectives have remained the same and have not changed does not correspond to reality.
The concepts of Ukraine and the 4 named regions are not equivalent.

[Nastia makarova]

everything is correct and he and we agree to negotiations, but the conditions for Ukraine are terrible, which they will not agree to

[Rage66]

Nebenzya, just paraphrases Putin's words

Does he need to voice his thoughts on this matter?

[Stardock]

Rage, speaking about Nebenzya, I meant that the representative of Russia is fulfilling his duty, his work: conveying Russia’s position to the world community.
His speech is directed to the community, not to us. We have known this for a long time.

[Cicerist98]

"Russia will not freeze the conflict along the front line, the special operation will be carried out until the previously announced goals are achieved. This was stated by Russia's permanent representative to the UN, Vasily Nebenzya..."

Let's hope that, at least this time, the Russian leadership actually MEAN this, and are not just saying it as a temporary rhetorical device to be used in the initial stage of "bargaining with partners", and then forgotten.

[BAI]

that there will be no repetition of the Minsk agreements scenario, no freezing of the front so that the Zelensky regime can “lick its wounds”,

Has our top brass really gotten smarter? Or is this all for show? Like, we'll say it now and then we'll see?

[single-n]

Most likely yes. There is a bargaining going on and everyone is puffing themselves up, showing how scary and strong they are. And that they don't give a damn about negotiations. Nobody really wants to fight for another year or two.

[ximkim]

Nebenzya: There will be no new Minsk agreements or freeze of hostilities along the front line

Usually, Putin does the opposite.
And until 2030 there will still be a long way to go.

[guest]

The Ukrainian Armed Forces are “sagging” at the front due to Ukrainians’ loss of trust in Zelensky
https://news-front.su/2024/10/31/vsu-prosedayut-na-fronte-iz-za-utraty-doveriya-ukrainczev-k-zelenskomu-nebenzya/

[guest]

Ukrainians are moving to Russia, which is causing fury in the Kyiv regime
https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2024/10/31/ukraincy-pereezzhayut-v-rossiyu-chto-vyzyvaet-beshenstvo-u-kievskogo-rezhima-nebenzyaa

[Titsen]

Quote: Vladimir M

There should be no negotiations at all until the goals of the SVO announced on February 24, 22 are achieved.

This is the only correct opinion.

But this is only the opinion of the majority of our people, how it will be is still unclear...

[S.Z.]

I recalled an ancient joke.

If a woman says "no," it means "maybe."
If a politician says "no", it means "yes".
If a diplomat says "no", then he is not a diplomat.

[tatra]

Russia will not agree to any freezing of the conflict along the front line; the special operation will be carried out until the previously announced goals are achieved.

Well, again, it's abstract. What specific goals? They've changed many times already - from protecting Donbass residents from shelling to demanding four regions completely and lifting all sanctions. When exactly will Putin say "stop"?

[acetophenone]

A sure sign: if they say it won't happen, then - PC! We are preparing for Minsk-3 and getting our forks ready. Shaking the noodles from our ears.