How to Shoot Down an Airplane with an ICBM

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How to Shoot Down an Airplane with an ICBM

Indeed, just think about it: an airplane that flew at more than three times the speed of sound could carry and launch missiles with nuclear warheads from a height of almost 30 meters - this is something unrivaled even in our time. And what can we say about the good old days?

Some, looking at the photo, will say: well, what don't we know about "Blackbird"? What's all the fuss about with the sale?




The thing is, the photo is not of the SR-71 Blackbird, but of another aircraft that had seen the skies two years earlier. It is the A-12, created by the same creative group, Skunk Works, that developed such remarkable aircraft as the P-80 Shooting Star, F-94 Starfire, F-104 Starfighter, U-2, F-117 and, of course, the SR-71 (pictured below).


In general, the 60-70s of the last century were a real heyday of science and technology. In fact, the majority of what was developed in those years weapons It fights quite well on all fronts of the world today, and in space the change of generations is only just beginning.

So, the year is 1958.


The U-75 reconnaissance aircraft, which has become famous (mainly thanks to the Soviet S-2 air defense missile system), is already flying, and the US is simply going crazy over its successes, caused by its truly impressive flight characteristics, but in the quiet of secret workshops, work is already underway on the Archangel project.

In general, the US in general and the CIA in particular did not make long-term plans for flights over Soviet territory. They planned to fly for a couple of years, but Powers was shot down only in 1960, that is, the program worked for four years, but during 24 flights the Americans learned a lot of interesting things. For example, they detected and counted the Soviet strategic M-4 and learned where the Baikonur cosmodrome was actually being built.

Well, since the crash of Powers' burning U-2, the era of unpunished flights has ended.


But by that time, the engineering jokers from Skunk Works had been working on the Archangel project for a long time. Of course, their planes were one weirder than the other, but apart from the Starfighter, the F-104 never refused to fly.

The "skunks-scoundrels" (a free translation of the word "skunk" from English, so "skunk", but in relation to a person - "scoundrel" or worse - ed.) having studied the layouts, came to the conclusion that the highest chances of not being shot down by a missile have a super-high-altitude and super-fast aircraft. Capable of simply escaping from a missile due to its speed. And by 1958, the design sketches were already ready, and the CIA and the Air Force did not spend a dollar, all the developments were carried out at the expense of Lockheed, which included Skunk Works.

At first, this "Archangel" was developed under the name U-3, but in 1958 the aircraft received the designation A-11. The idea was fantastic: the aircraft was supposed to fly about 6 km at a cruising speed of Mach 500 at an altitude of 3 to 27 km.


In general, here we have a moment that has confused our own and confused everyone else: "A" in the US Air Force is from the word "Attack", this is how the American Air Force designates aircraft intended for striking ground targets, that is, attack aircraft. And here "A" either from the name of the project "Archangel", or from the word "Agency", because the customer of the reconnaissance aircraft was the CIA, that is, the CIA, the Central Intelligence Agency.

In general, the result was a reconnaissance aircraft project under the code name of an attack aircraft.

The A-11 was a relatively normal (as the Skunk Works engineers understood the term) aircraft. It was generally similar to the later Tu-144 and Concorde, but these beauties were known to almost the entire world, while the A-11 was not so lucky.

In general, it was a tailless, delta-winged aircraft with a forward-swept trailing edge, with two turbo-ramjet engines in nacelles under the wings. But then things got interesting: the chief designer of the project, Johnson, consulted with engine builders from Pratt & Whitney and Marquard, and after the engine builders explained what they could provide for this aircraft, the project had to be redone.

Thus began work on the Archangel 2 project. The aircraft had slightly different shapes and outlines, but Johnson even theoretically laid down improved flight characteristics - the speed and range remained the same, but they decided to raise the altitude to 33,5 km.

An interesting novelty was the proposed flight profile: Johnson calmly borrowed it from the Austrian designer Professor Eugen Sänger, the so-called Silver Bird bomber (projects Ural-bomber and America-bomber), which, according to calculations, could have an extraordinary flight range. Sänger assumed using the "wave-like gliding" mode, reminiscent of the movements of a stone reflected from water when thrown, and making "pancakes". True, Sänger did not have an airplane, but a rocket plane, which was supposed to go into space (the pilot became an astronaut for a short time), and when gliding from space, ricochet several times from dense layers of the atmosphere, thereby significantly extending the distance of the possible flight.

Johnson imagined the flight of his brainchild as a series of jumps with a step of 80 to 50 km descending from denser layers of the atmosphere to less dense ones.

The calculated data for Archangel 2 were as follows:
- maximum take-off weight - 61 kg;
- service ceiling - 30 m;
- flight range - 6 km.
The power plant included two J58 turbojet engines and two 1905 mm diameter ramjets.

And... Johnson started the redesign again! He was not satisfied with the complexity and high cost of the aircraft due to the combined power plant. If you remove the ramjet engines, you could get a gain in weight of up to 9 tons! And the Pratt and Whitney J58 turbojet engines already had very decent characteristics, and in theory, should have provided the declared flight characteristics without ramjet engines. In general, these turbojet engines were developed by order of the naval aviation and it was assumed that they would be able to operate over a wide range of loads and speeds.


The pilot rescue system was also simplified. Initially, it was planned to put the pilot in a sealed rescue capsule that could rescue the pilot at any altitude. But at the development stage, it was replaced with a regular ejection seat and... a spacesuit! And without any fuss, they dressed the A-12 pilot in the Gemini astronaut's spacesuit.


The "space" aspect of the aircraft did not stop there. High supersonic flight speeds guaranteed high heating of the airframe, so it was necessary to rack one's brains over the materials of the fuselage and wings. Naturally, titanium (85%) and composites (15%) won. This, of course, significantly complicated the assembly work, titanium at that time was not an easy metal to obtain and process.

And there was also a separate war with heat. An airplane at a speed of 3 M+ would be expected to heat up like... like a sinner in hell. Therefore, literally all the airplane systems had to be protected from overheating. One cockpit canopy cost $2 million and three years of work.


A funny thing happened during the development. Lockheed, as a contractor, sent out a proposal to various manufacturers to send a hydraulic fluid for testing that could work normally at a temperature of 300 degrees Celsius and higher. One company sent a sample that could work at 315°C. For some reason, the sample was in an ordinary canvas bag and was a white powder. Lockheed was a little taken aback, but after reading the documentation, they probably laughed heartily: the powder turned into a liquid at a temperature of 93°C. Lockheed could not figure out how the hydraulic system would work at an ambient temperature of, say, 20°C.

In general, the fuselage design was calculated for skin temperatures up to +260°C and short-term heating up to +315°C.

And already during the flight tests, thermodynamics presented another surprise: during landing, in the case of a decrease in engine thrust at a relatively high speed of descent, the engine housings cooled down much faster than the compressor parts. As a result, the blades began to catch the walls of the housing, which predictably led to their destruction. The problem is complex, and most importantly - expensive.

But in the end, they got an aircraft that could fly at Mach 3,1. The closest competitor was the F-106 Delta Dart, an interceptor based on the F-102 Delta Dagger, which could produce Mach 2,6. Considering that the A-12 could climb to an altitude of 28-30 km, the C-75 (and C-125) crews began to have problems, because there was catastrophically little time to get to an aircraft at such an altitude, flying at such a speed.

Plus the A-12 was, so to speak, a larva of a stealth aircraft. The developers tried to depict something in this direction by introducing composites into the design, making two smaller inclined stabilizers instead of one vertical fin.


The first flight of the A-12 took place on April 25, 1962, in an atmosphere of maximum secrecy. And the first flight almost ended in disaster: the system for increasing the stability of the aircraft in flight did not turn on, and although the flight itself was more of a "jump" with taxiing, test pilot Schalk got a lot of thrills, since the A-12, having taken off from the ground, immediately began to "flounder in the sky", in the words of the pilot, demonstrating instability and the ability to self-oscillate in all three axes. The tester managed to plop the aircraft on the soft ground of the dried-up Groom Loik lake, and in the second flight the next day the stabilization system was already working and everything went more than smoothly.

Following the first series of flights, the A-12 began to be produced in a test series. Things, as they say, got going.

And then the guys from Lockheed smelled Money.

As the A-12 entered normal production, Lockheed quietly approached the Air Force brass with a brilliant plan: quietly and unnoticed, build and test a weaponized version of the plane. The A-12 was to be turned into a strategic interceptor capable of destroying Soviet strategic bombers.

Here it should be explained that at that time the main means of delivering an atomic bomb to a target remained a heavy long-range bomber, missiles like the Soviet R-7 were only just beginning their path to recognition. And therefore the US Air Force paid considerable attention to an aircraft that could intercept and shoot down any bombers at any altitude. Moreover, intelligence in the USA was working, and information about the Tu-16 and Tu-22 was gradually getting to the Pentagon. So the Air Force supported the idea, and three unfinished A-12s were redirected to a certain KEDLOCK program, no less secret than the Archangel. Moreover, the US Air Force's own program for the XF-108 Rapier interceptor was closed. The borohydride fuel of the engines of this aircraft did not provide any special advantages over aviation kerosene, and was very toxic. So the Air Force readily agreed to receive the super interceptor and even shared the developments of the Hughes AN/ASG-18 fire control system and the AIM-47A (GAR-9) Falcon missiles developed for the XF-108, which were used on the YF-12. This was the code name given to the defector "Archangel".


In general, the idea of ​​arming the A-12 really came to the rescue precisely because this aircraft was in many ways similar to the XF-108 in terms of flight characteristics. Speed ​​over Mach 3, range of about 4 km, high altitude – the A-000 had all of this already in the sky, and not on paper. The main problem was simply to find a place for the newest radar and missiles, which were a very interesting creation.

It was a complete system consisting of a GAR-X missile, a YX-1 radar and a fire control system. The original missile design had a range of 25 to 40 km and could be equipped with a conventional warhead or a W42 nuclear warhead with a yield of 0,25 kilotons. The nuclear warhead guaranteed the destruction of any Soviet M-4/Tu-16/Tu-22 class bomber. The Americans respected us, since they were preparing such a weapon against our bombers, nothing can be said about that.

In April 1958, the missile and radar were renamed the GAR-9 and AN/ASG-18. When the F-108 project was canceled in September 1959 due to its unrealistic cost, the Air Force decided to continue developing the missile system with both warheads. Moreover, both the radar and the missile were quite good and had room for improvement.

The three A-12s, designated YF-12s, were the heart of the KEDLOCK program, which would have produced an interceptor of unprecedented capability. The YF-12s were very similar in appearance to the A-12, except for a rounded, cone-shaped fairing, like the F-14 Tomcat. This fairing concealed a 40-inch nose-mounted AN/ASG-18 radar that didn’t fit into the existing A-12 nose, but without which the rest of the design was meaningless. The YF-12 ended up looking more like a fighter.


The radar was solved, but what about the missiles? The answer was to throw out the Perkins Type I stereoscopic camera from the YF-12, which occupied four payload bays, and shove the GAR-9 missiles in there. The YF-12 had four bays, two behind the pilot's cabin and two below it. Three bays housed three GAR-9 missiles, and the fourth bay housed the control and targeting system units.

And in 1964, testing began. At first, things didn’t go according to plan, and one aircraft was miraculously not lost because the missile went in the wrong direction, but in 1965, the YF-12 made its first air-to-air interception, shooting down a target at a range of about 50 km. In September 1965, the YF-12 launched another GAR-9 missile from 75 feet at Mach 000 and made another interception.

One could say that a super-interceptor was created. But Lockheed decided to go a little further and began developing a fighter-bomber, which received the designation FB-12.


This plan was even more ambitious than the YF-12, because it assumed that in addition to the AIM-47 Falcon missile (as the GAR-9 became known), the aircraft would also carry the SRAM short-range missile. The SRAM is an air-to-ground missile with a range of about 200 kilometers and a warhead with a capacity of 17 kilotons (from the Polaris missile). A little more than the Little Boy dropped on Hiroshima (15 kilotons), meaning that it had the ability to destroy one medium-sized city.


The result was a fighter-bomber capable of penetrating Soviet airspace at high speed and altitude along with other bombers and delivering a nuclear strike on any target. And for defense, the YF-12 had AIM-47 Falcon air-to-air missiles.

In general, the concept was quite decent. At that time, Soviet radars could somehow detect an aircraft flying at such an altitude and with such a speed, but there was really little use in this. And the YF-12 could easily work exactly according to the CP system Defense The USSR with its nuclear missiles and ensure passage for larger bombers.


In terms of strategy, it looked quite good. And most importantly, it smelled of impunity. The MiG-21P had already proven itself to be a very impressive weapon, but alas, the YF-12 flew both higher and faster than the Soviet interceptor. This meant that it could force a fight on it when the MiG attacked American bombers from a more advantageous position.

The Air Force received funding for 93 FB-12 fighters, but the aircraft were never built.

It would seem that what could go wrong, why did such a promising development turn out to be practically unnecessary?

It's all about changing the nuclear strategy of a potential enemy, that is, the Soviet Union. The USSR was unable to create a more or less decent means of delivering nuclear charges in the form of a strategic bomber capable of overcoming US air defense. But the 60s were quite successful in other types of weapons.

Yes, we are talking about intercontinental ballistic missiles. Korolev, Yangel, Chelomey, Sadovsky, Nadiradze and their design teams created a whole series of missiles capable of dropping nuclear charges on the USA. R-36, R-36orb, UR-100, UR-100K, RT-2, "Temp-2S" - they left no chance for aircraft, being much more effective than the latter.


It was in 1963-1965 that it became clear that the aircraft had finally and irrevocably given way to the missile as a carrier of nuclear weapons. And so a situation arose in which Khrushchev decided to fight only with missiles and effectively reduced the development of bomber aviation to zero. This step is still disputed and criticized, but it had a certain logic: to this day, almost all nuclear weapons possessors rely on missiles, not bombers, to deliver charges to targets. At least eight countries (not counting Israel) of the Nuclear Club possess ballistic missiles capable of carrying nuclear charges, and only three have strategic bombers.

In general, the tactics of destroying the Soviet Union with carpet nuclear bombing somehow failed. The MiG-21 modifications flew higher and faster, and the MiG-23 was already looming, which generally became a nightmare for all bomber pilots in the world. Soviet SAMs fired further and higher, and the tests of the S-200 SAM version of the "Angara" were already ending, which generally called into question the possibility of delivering nuclear strikes with free-fall bombs from aircraft.


A completely different era was dawning.

US military policy no longer assumed shooting down enemy bombers, which the USSR did not have in large enough numbers to seriously threaten the US. So the FB-12 fighter-bomber armed with short-range nuclear missiles was fast, but it could not keep up with the changing world. Although it almost went into production, the situation turned out to be, as they say, "they stopped in time."

As a result, in 1965, interest in the A-12 program from high-ranking officials began to decline sharply. Moreover, the situation was amusing: the aircraft was ready, but both the military and politicians were not ready to use it for its intended purpose. There was nothing to catch over the USSR except air defense missiles, and over other countries like Vietnam or China the game was clearly not worth the candle. All work on the FB-12 fighter-bomber was stopped.


But if the A-12 somehow managed to serve until 1968, then handing over its helmet to the SR-71 Blackbird, which flew until 1999, then the FB-12 was shot down. By a missile. But not a regular missile from an anti-aircraft missile system, but an intercontinental ballistic missile.

Such collisions also happen in the world.
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  1. +9
    3 November 2024 05: 50
    missiles with atomic warheads
    belay Are you not Russian? As Tymoshenko directly called for sorting out Donetsk"atomic weapons"Everything has already been invented before us" and all "energy is better used for peaceful purposes." feel Nuclear warheads, like weapons. fool hi
    1. +3
      3 November 2024 07: 26
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      "Everything has already been invented before us" and all "energy is better used for peaceful purposes"

      I don't know, but you probably haven't heard of an air-to-air missile with a nuclear warhead?
      The AIM-26 Falcon is an American guided air-to-air missile with a nuclear warhead. It is the only guided[26] air-to-air missile with a nuclear warhead ever adopted by the United States Air Force. Due to low reliability, limited capabilities of the guidance system, and the emergence of sufficiently sophisticated missiles with warheads in conventional equipment, it did not remain in service for long and was decommissioned in 2.
    2. +10
      3 November 2024 10: 15
      It feels like the author has discovered the blogger Skyships. He has a video about the entire family of archangels. I wouldn't be surprised if the next sheet is about a reconnaissance drone that was hanging on top of the plane's fuselage.
      1. +5
        4 November 2024 10: 44
        It feels like the author has discovered the blogger Skyships

        By the way, I can recommend it to anyone interested in aviation. It looks and sounds great from the couch.
  2. +9
    3 November 2024 06: 17
    The A-12 could reach an altitude of 28-30 km, and the S-75 (and even the S-125) crews began to have problems,
    What does it mean not to read even what the experts write on VO.
    The S-75 Dvina (US Defense Ministry and NATO classification: SA-2 Guideline) is a Soviet mobile anti-aircraft missile system.
    It is designed to destroy air targets at medium and high altitudes on head-on courses and in pursuit. It was developed to cover important administrative-political and industrial facilities, military units and formations.Maximum altitude of target destruction: 25 - 30 km. 35 km (in "ADA" mode)
    The S-125 is a short-range anti-aircraft missile system (SAM). It was developed to combat low-altitude manned and unmanned aerodynamic targets. in the altitude range of 20–18 meters, at ranges of 3,5–25 km.
    The C-125 was not able to reach the altitude of this aircraft.
    1. +7
      3 November 2024 13: 01
      What does it mean not to read even what the experts write on VO.
      The C-125 was not able to reach the altitude of this aircraft.
      The author denied the S-75 complex the ability to operate up to 30 km. And then, probably, he thought that since the serial number of the S-125 complex is higher, then the altitude of the target destruction is also higher, and anyway it will not do anything against the A-12.
      1. +4
        3 November 2024 15: 59
        Quote: Aviator_
        The author denied the S-75 complex the ability to operate up to 30 km. And then, probably, he thought that since the serial number of the S-125 complex is higher, then the altitude of the target destruction is also higher

        Well, the author's thoughts are inscrutable. And considering that S. Linnik has written the most detailed articles on these complexes on VO more than once, I don't even know what to say. laughing laughing laughing
        1. +4
          3 November 2024 16: 01
          Roman is a classic political worker. In a good sense. His political articles are readable, but his technical ones are not.
          1. +7
            3 November 2024 16: 05
            Quote: Aviator_
            Roman is a classic political worker. In a good sense. His political articles are readable, but his technical ones are not.

            There is no argument here. Only the tankers were luckier than anyone. Having screwed up once by writing an article about "Valentine", he stopped writing about tanks, but for some reason he didn't stop writing about aviation. It's just boring on vacation, the car is being repaired, the weather in the garages is not so hot until they turn on the heat. So I read it out of boredom. And I haven't looked at his opuses on aviation topics for almost 2 years. laughing laughing laughing good
  3. +16
    3 November 2024 06: 18
    From the list of ballistic missiles served on the Ur-100, the most inexpensive and effective missiles, with a minimum of maintenance. They are still in service with the most advanced modern warhead.
    November 17 marks the 65th anniversary of the formation of the Strategic Missile Forces. Congratulations to all missilemen, veterans of the 47th R/D, 100th Missile Regiment. soldier
    1. +6
      3 November 2024 06: 33
      Missile Forces and Artillery Day, according to the old (I don't know the new) date, November 19. I always celebrate it on this day.
      1. +3
        3 November 2024 06: 58
        I could be wrong, so much time has passed. On the Internet they indicate December 17, the decree on the formation of the Strategic Missile Forces. But I remember that we celebrated in November, most likely November 19, this day was called the Day of Missile Troops and Artillery, in honor of the mass use of artillery in the Battle of Stalingrad, if I am not mistaken. With respect soldier
        1. +8
          3 November 2024 07: 12
          It's my wife's birthday. I met with a fellow soldier in the morning, and then, if I could, we celebrated the birthday.
        2. 0
          11 November 2024 16: 28
          Just not near Stalingrad, but near Moscow in 1941.
  4. +8
    3 November 2024 06: 38
    The test pilot managed to plop the plane down on the soft ground of the dried-up Groom Loik lake,
    The author has an interesting "plosh2" considering the number and length of the strips at this airbase
    The dry Groom Lake is home to the runways of the Nellis Air Force Base Bomb Test Range, better known as Area 51.
    Some of the runways:
    14L/32R — 3658 meters, asphalt;
    12/30 - 1652 meters, asphalt;
    09L/27R - 3489 meters, salt;
    09R/27L - 3489 meters, salt;
    03L/21R - 3057 meters, salt.
    Moreover, given the lack of precipitation in this area, the strength and thickness of salt runways even exceed those of asphalt and concrete runways.
  5. +6
    3 November 2024 06: 40
    They were used on the YF-12. This was the code name given to the defector "Archangel".
    And where did he run to? I think in the monograph it was as an interceptor...
  6. +4
    3 November 2024 06: 44
    XB-70, YF-12 were quite relevant up until at least the end of the 90s (SR-71 equipment successfully countered 200 complexes at least in the mid-80s. They provided information when taking over the BD)
  7. +1
    3 November 2024 06: 46
    The article is very interesting and instructive! Roman gets a +.
    I remembered my youth, my service in the Air Force, my knowledge of foreign aircraft, so much so that it bounced off my teeth!
    Starfighter, Thunderchief, Supersabre and many others. In 1967, in the album on recognition of foreign aircraft there was almost no information about the F 117, six months later, all its performance characteristics were already known.
    Intelligence worked!
    Thanks to Roman!
    1. +1
      3 November 2024 07: 23
      Quote: your vsr 66-67
      In 1967, there was almost no information about the F 117 in the album on recognizing foreign aircraft, through

      You are not telling the truth at all. To put it mildly. Below are photos of two books (albums, judging by the inscription on the left one). The left book is from 1965, the right one is from 1975. There is no mention of the F-117 in either of them. But there is mention of the SR-71, and in both of them, on page #86.
      1. +1
        3 November 2024 07: 45
        Quote: Fitter65
        Quote: your vsr 66-67
        In 1967, there was almost no information about the F 117 in the album on recognizing foreign aircraft, through

        You are not telling the truth at all. To put it mildly. Below are photos of two books (albums, judging by the inscription on the left one). The left book is from 1965, the right one is from 1975. There is no mention of the F-117 in either of them. But there is mention of the SR-71, and in both of them, on page #86.

        Well, I don't know about your albums. In our army, albums on recognizing foreign aircraft were marked "Secret". And we signed for non-disclosure.
        1. +10
          3 November 2024 08: 07
          Quote: your vsr 66-67
          Well, I don't know about your albums. In our army, albums on recognizing foreign aircraft were marked "Secret". And we signed for non-disclosure.

          Yeah, and about the extremely low-altitude flights over the Amur, and tracking American aircraft carriers in the Pacific Ocean, on the An-12. You had one like that in 1966-67. Don't go on about it with me. If you look closely at the cover of the left album, you can see both the inventory number and the copy number. For your information, such albums were always classified as DSP (for official use) and were not classified. The F-117 aircraft began to be developed much later than 67. The Skunk Works group only assembled a wooden model of the prototype of the future invisible aircraft in the early 70s.
          In 1977, a prototype aircraft was assembled that was barely visible to radar (stealth technology); the first production model with this technology was the F-117 Nighthawk, which was produced from 1981.
          So you couldn't divulge anything, due to the lack of the subject of your knowledge. It would have been better if you had continued to tell how you flew from Blagoveshchensk to Khabarovsk over the Amur at extremely low speed. And it would have been more fun to read.
      2. +7
        3 November 2024 08: 10
        Quote: Fitter65
        The left book is from 1965, the right one is from 1975. Neither of them mentions the F-117.
        When these books were published, there was no F-117 even in the plans. And I had just been born. wink
    2. -1
      3 November 2024 08: 02
      Quote: your vsr 66-67
      there was no information about F 117
      There was no, because the car was in a state of emergency, there was nothing to brag about. And the Serbs shot one down. It seems it was invisible on radar. wink wink
      1. +1
        3 November 2024 08: 11
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        The Serbs shot one down. It seems he was invisible on radar.

        On the radar of American taxpayers laughing laughing good drinks
    3. +1
      3 November 2024 09: 18
      Quote: your vsr 66-67
      Intelligence worked!

      In a Soviet magazine Foreign Military Review always published very informative articles about foreign military equipment, in particular about aircraft, where their performance characteristics were described in detail down to the last rivet. What kind of intelligence could there be there?
      1. +2
        3 November 2024 09: 27
        Quote: Luminman
        In the Soviet magazine Foreign Military Review

        It still exists. The design has changed, of course, but the principle of the magazine remains...
    4. +3
      3 November 2024 09: 37
      Quote: your vsr 66-67
      In 1967, there was almost no information about the F 117 in the album on identifying foreign aircraft,

      Because they couldn’t exist in principle.
  8. +8
    3 November 2024 06: 48
    and the MiG-23 was already looming, which became a nightmare for all bomber pilots in the world
    And why the hell did this one, and when did he become such a nightmare?
    The MiG-23 is a third-generation Soviet multirole fighter with variable-sweep wings, developed by OKB-155.
    The first flight of the experimental aircraft "23-11" was performed on June 10, 1967 by test pilot A. V. Fedotov.
    I can agree that the MiG-25P was becoming a nightmare.
    MiG-25 is a Soviet supersonic combat aircraft of the OKB-155 design bureau. E-155R-1: March 6, 1964
    E-155P-1: September 9, 1964
    1. +8
      3 November 2024 07: 04
      In general, it's already better than a few years ago. The gaffe is not in a sentence, but in a paragraph. But the most interesting thing is that the article is not about anything. It seems like something went at the beginning, albeit clumsily, but in the end it turned out to be a complete dud. It is still not clear what the author wanted to convey his idea about. For example, here are the publications that can be found online in Russian. Quite good. If you compare them with the article, they are simply masterpieces.
      1. +4
        3 November 2024 11: 42
        Wow, what a beautiful dog! The plane is a fantasy.
        1. +3
          3 November 2024 11: 43
          Quote: novel xnumx
          Wow, what a beautiful dog! The plane is a fantasy.

          In its own way, very much so.
          1. +2
            3 November 2024 12: 38
            One of Clarence Johnson's works "Constellation" is one of the most beautiful civil aircraft. Clarence Johnson is a whole era from P-38 to SR-71
            1. +2
              3 November 2024 15: 56
              As A. N. Tupolev said: "Only beautiful airplanes can fly well!" And you can't argue with that...
    2. Eug
      0
      4 November 2024 23: 40
      I will add that the orbital version of the R-36 was not created (R-36orb in the article).
  9. 0
    3 November 2024 07: 12
    I would like to note that we were no pushovers, and about ten years later we made an airplane with similar characteristics. This is the SU-100, or SU-T-4. And it flew. But for some reason it did not go into production, and they wanted to make 250 pieces. All the developments of Sukhoi and Myasishchev were given to the Tupolev Design Bureau. And he made the TU-160 and TU-144.
    1. +6
      3 November 2024 07: 46
      Quote: V.
      I would like to note that we were no pushovers, and about ten years later we made an aircraft with similar characteristics. This is the SU-100, or SU-T-4.

      Well, first of all, the Su-100 is a self-propelled gun based on the T-34. And there was no Su-T-4 aircraft either.
      The T-4 (product 100, or "hundred") is a strike and reconnaissance bomber-missile carrier of the Sukhoi Design Bureau (in the West it is considered the Soviet analogue of the earlier American bomber-missile carrier XB-70 Valkyrie and is called accordingly the "Russian Valkyrie"). The T-4 was intended to destroy enemy aircraft carrier strike groups and conduct strategic reconnaissance
      .According to all aviation and technical reference books, it is listed as such. Product T-4, "100", or simply "hundred". This is by name.
      Quote: V.
      All of Sukhoi and Myasishchev's developments were given to the Tupolev Design Bureau. And he made the TU-160 and TU-144.
      Now to your ignorance.
      Tu-144 is a Soviet supersonic passenger aircraft of the 1st class, developed by the Tupolev Design Bureau in the 1960s. First flight: December 31, 1968
      And even though it was only a "technology demonstrator", the real operational Tu-144S took off on June 1, 1971. Somehow earlier than the first "hundred"
      In the autumn of 1971, the experimental T-4 was built. On August 22, 1972, the leading test pilot of the Sukhoi Design Bureau V. S. Ilyushin and navigator N. A. Alferov made the first flight.
      Well, the T-4 and Tu-144 at least have similar aerodynamic configurations and their silhouettes are similar. But nothing more. And what did the Tu-160 with variable-sweep wings take from the T-4?
      1. -2
        3 November 2024 08: 38
        I didn't just pull all this out of thin air or make it up, but from the memories of those who worked at the time in the design bureau and ministries, and from the Internet. I have nothing against Tupolev, I admire his talent, but objectively he had more opportunities to build aircraft. hi
        When they talk about the Sukhoi Design Bureau, if an amateur like me says SU-100, SU-T-4, then I think specialists understand what they are talking about, so excuse me. hi
        1. 0
          3 November 2024 09: 33
          Quote: V.
          I didn’t just pull all this out of thin air or make it up, but from the memories of those who worked at that time in the design bureau and ministries, and from the Internet.
          This is according to the recollections of some knowledgeable people.
          Quote: V.
          but objectively he had more opportunities for building aircraft.

          More than who? The same Sukhoi is leading, at the same time, in addition to the "Sotka", several projects. Which will go into production as the Su-24, Su-25 and the project that will later become the famous Su-27...
  10. 0
    3 November 2024 08: 18
    And then the MIG-31 came along.
  11. 0
    3 November 2024 08: 31
    Thanks for the interesting article, I didn’t know about this project.
    1. +5
      3 November 2024 16: 08
      Quote: Russian Bear_2
      Thanks for the interesting article, I didn’t know about this project.

      There was a much better article about this plane on VO back in 2017.
  12. 0
    3 November 2024 09: 41
    The American gentlemen respected us, since they prepared such weapons against our bombers, nothing can be said about that.
    We didn't have enough intercontinental bombers, so the Americans could afford to show off.
  13. +3
    3 November 2024 09: 54
    I read that the original name was RS-71, but Reagan made a mistake at one of his speeches and called it SR-71, journalists printed it that way and the name stuck in the press because it sounded better. Is it true or not, but I read
    1. 0
      3 November 2024 10: 25
      It doesn’t matter at all, the letter R is the designation adopted by the US Air Force for a reconnaissance aircraft, just as F is a fighter, C is a military transport aircraft, B is a bomber, etc.
    2. +3
      3 November 2024 11: 41
      Quote: Vadim S
      I read that the original correct name was RS-71, but at one speech Reagan made a mistake and called it SR-71,

      That's how it was. But it wasn't Reagan, really. There were "undercover games" going on, which resulted in US Defense Secretary Robert McNamara ordering the RS-12 development to be stopped... Johnson, the same designer,
      simply changed the abbreviation RS from "Reconnaissance Strike" to "Reconnaissance Strategic". Thus, having changed the combat purpose of his aircraft, no one could accuse him of duplicating the Valkyrie and he continued developing the RS -12...... The RS -71 model turned into the SR -12 completely by accident. In his speech in July 1964, US President (Johnson's namesake) Lyndon Johnson, speaking about the RS -12 aircraft, mixed up the letters and said SR -12.
  14. +1
    3 November 2024 10: 21
    The main reason for the decommissioning of the SR-71 Blackbird was that the aircraft was morally and technically obsolete, its operation was incredibly expensive and technologically very complex, with minimal results. Crew training for a flight took about 2 days. Due to the strict requirements for flight personnel, there were very few of them, and the specifics of training and preparation were expensive and complex. New means and technologies for conducting reconnaissance appeared, less expensive and more effective.
    As a target, from my practical experience of combat work on this aircraft, it did not present any particular difficulty, even for the 2K11 SAM system of the SV air defense of the 60s, an ordinary high-altitude high-speed target
  15. -1
    3 November 2024 12: 53
    I don't know about the missiles, although this is certainly a weighty argument, but as far as I know, the SR-71 lost its relevance with the adoption of our high-altitude MiG-25, which could rise to a height of over 22 km and carry air-to-air missiles. It also holds the absolute record for fighters in terms of altitude of 36750 meters. As we can see, it could conditionally reach these reconnaissance aircraft, so the safe flight of American aircraft was in great doubt.
  16. +1
    3 November 2024 14: 25
    Quote: mark1
    Quote: your vsr 66-67
    In 1967, there was almost no information about the F 117 in the album on identifying foreign aircraft,

    Because they couldn’t exist in principle.

    Yes, I probably got it mixed up with these F's. Most likely I wanted to say about the phantom, but I forgot the modification. About 60 years have passed since then.
    And we were supposed to know older models of fighters, but we had to know by heart 6 American ones, these are the Sabre, Supersabre, Thunderchief, Starfighter and some other two (I don’t remember) + 2 French + 1 English and + 3 missiles (Ajax and some others). A total of 12. I don’t remember the English and French ones either.
    So, I'm sorry. hi
    1. +1
      3 November 2024 16: 28
      Quote: your vsr 66-67
      Yes, I probably got it mixed up with these F's. Most likely I wanted to say about the phantom, but I forgot the modification. About 60 years have passed since then.

      McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II. First flight May 27, 1958. In service since December 1960.30.06. On June 1967, XNUMX, the E modification aircraft made its first flight.
      Quote: your vsr 66-67
      should have known 6 American ones by heart, these are the Sabre, Super Sabre, Thunder Chief, Starfighter and some other two (I don't remember)

      F-84F Thunderstrike and F-101 Voodoo, and also "Delta Dagger" and "Delta Dart". "Freedomfighter... Hawk, Nike Ajax and Nike Hercules missiles. Of the British, there were only three of them, Hunter, Javelin and Lightning. Of the French, Vautour, Mister, Supermister, Mirage III... and there were also carrier-based ones... And all of this is in that very album of military aircraft, helicopters, and rockets of capitalist countries. bully
      1. 0
        3 November 2024 17: 40
        Unfortunately, there is no album, and I’m not used to searching on Google!
        1. 0
          4 November 2024 00: 02
          Quote: your vsr 66-67
          Unfortunately, there is no album, and I’m not used to searching on Google!

          What is there to look for, in addition to the two that I have cited, another one from 1953 will appear. Of course, there were no earlier ones, such as "Silhouettes of Foreign Aircraft" from 41 or the album of silhouettes of Japanese aircraft from 1938... But you definitely haven't studied them...
          1. 0
            4 November 2024 06: 52
            The Japanese ones were not studied. But the F104 starfighter was for Japan, some modification, I think with the letter J. A lot has been forgotten, although it is a sin to complain about memory.
            1. 0
              4 November 2024 09: 23
              Quote: your vsr 66-67
              We didn't study Japanese.
              Well, that's what I'm saying, the album is from 1938...
  17. +3
    3 November 2024 16: 28
    What does ICBM have to do with it and where does the stupid title come from?
    1. 0
      3 November 2024 17: 06
      Didn't you have the strength to read anything other than the title? request
      But if the A-12 somehow managed to serve until 1968, then handing over its helmet to the SR-71 Blackbird, which flew until 1999, then the FB-12 was shot down. By a missile. But not a regular missile from an anti-aircraft missile system, but an intercontinental ballistic missile.

      Such collisions also happen in the world.
      1. -2
        3 November 2024 18: 11
        Yeah - you really believed it? - are you that stupid?
      2. 0
        4 November 2024 12: 25
        So "shot down" in the sense of "not needed at all".
        By this logic, all strategic bombers were shot down by ICBMs and cruise missiles.
        They have become missile carriers, but there are no bombers.

        A purely yellow headline.
  18. -4
    3 November 2024 17: 03
    Thanks to the author Roman Skomorokhov, very informative.
  19. 0
    4 November 2024 12: 23
    Title does not match content.
  20. 0
    6 November 2024 17: 34
    In 1967, the album on identifying foreign aircraft contained almost no information about the F 117; six months later, all of its performance characteristics were already known.
    Intelligence worked!

    But it only flew in 81? Maybe you mean some other plane called F-117? Because the iron didn't exist back then.
  21. 0
    11 November 2024 20: 03
    Columbus discovered America, he was a great sailor))))