Rocket H-1 - "Tsar-rocket"

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The H-1 super heavy launch vehicle was called the “Tsar-rocket” for its large dimensions (the starting weight is almost 2500 tons, the height is 110 meters), and also the goals set during the work on it. The rocket was supposed to help strengthen the state’s defense capability, promote scientific and national economic programs, as well as manned interplanetary flights. However, like the well-known to their namesake - Tsar Bell and Tsar Cannon - this design product could not be used for its intended purpose.

The creation of heavy sverhrakety in the USSR began to reflect at the end of the 1950-s. Ideas and assumptions on its development were accumulated in the Royal OKB-1. Among the options - it was supposed to use a design reserve from the P-7 rocket launched by the first Soviet satellites and even the development of a nuclear propulsion system. Finally, by the 1962 year, the expert committee, and later the country's leadership, chose a layout with a vertical rocket design that could put into orbit a cargo weighing up to 75 tons (the mass of the cargo thrown to the Moon - 23 tons, to Mars - 15 tons). At the same time, they managed to introduce and develop a large number of unique technologies - an on-board computer, new welding methods, lattice wings, an emergency rescue system for astronauts, and much more.



Initially, the rocket was intended for a heavy orbital station to be put into near-earth orbit with a subsequent prospect for assembling the TMK, a heavy interplanetary spacecraft for flying to Mars and Venus. However, later the belated decision was made to include the USSR in the “lunar race” with the delivery of a man to the surface of the moon. Thus, the program to create the H-1 rocket was forced and it actually turned into a carrier for the LZ expeditionary spacecraft in the H-1-LZ complex.
Rocket H-1 - "Tsar-rocket"

Before deciding on the final launch vehicle layout, the creators had to evaluate at least 60 of various options, from multi-block to single-block, both parallel and sequential division of a rocket into stages. For each of these options, relevant comprehensive analyzes were carried out of both advantages and disadvantages, including a feasibility study of the project.

In the course of preliminary studies, the creators were forced to abandon the multi-block scheme with parallel division into stages, although this scheme was already tested on the P-7 and made it possible to transport ready-made elements of the launch vehicle (propulsion systems, tanks) from the factory to the cosmodrome by train . The rocket was assembled and tested on site. This scheme was rejected due to a suboptimal combination of mass costs and additional hydro, mechanical, pneumatic and telecommunications between the rocket units. As a result, a monoblock scheme came to the fore, which involved the use of LRE with pre-pumps, which made it possible to reduce the wall thickness (and hence the mass) of the tanks, as well as to reduce the pressure of the pressurized gas.

The H-1 rocket project was unusual in many ways, but its main distinguishing features were the original scheme with spherical outboard tanks, as well as the carrier outer skin, which was supported by a power kit (semi-monocoque aircraft was used) and an annular arrangement of LRE at each of the stages. Thanks to this technical solution, as applied to the first stage of the rocket during the launch and its ascent, the air from the surrounding atmosphere was ejected into the inner space under the tank from the exhaust jet of the LRE. As a result, a semblance of a very large air-jet engine arose, which included the entire lower part of the 1-th stage design. Even without air afterburning of the LRE exhaust, this scheme provided the rocket with a significant increase in thrust, increasing its overall efficiency.

The steps of the H-1 rocket were interconnected by special transitional trusses, through which gases could freely flow out in the event of a hot start of the engines of the following steps. The rocket was controlled along the roll channel by means of control nozzles, into which the gas, discharged there after turbopump units (THA), was fed, along the pitch and course channels, the control was carried out using the misalignment of thrust of opposite LREs.

Due to the impossibility of transporting the stages of an extra-heavy rocket by rail, the creators suggested that the H-1 outer shell be made detachable, and its fuel tanks be made from sheet blanks (“petals”) directly on the cosmodrome itself. This idea initially did not fit in the head of the members of the expert committee. Therefore, having accepted the draft design of the H-1962 rocket in July 1, the commission members recommended further elaboration of the delivery of the rocket stages in assembled form, for example, with the help of a dirigible balloon.

During the defense of the draft missile draft, the 2 variant of the missile was presented to the commission: using AT as an oxidizer or liquid oxygen. In this case, the variant with liquid oxygen was considered as the main one, since a rocket would have lower characteristics when using AT-UDMH fuel. In terms of value, the creation of an engine with liquid oxygen seemed more economical. At the same time, according to representatives of OKB-1, in the event of an emergency situation on board the missile, the oxygen version seemed to be safer than the variant using an AT-based oxidant. The creators of the rocket remembered the P-16 catastrophe that occurred in October 1960 of the year and worked on the self-igniting toxic components.

When creating the multi-engine version of the H-1 rocket, Sergei Korolev relied primarily on the concept of improving the reliability of the entire propulsion system, by possibly turning off the defective rocket engine during the flight. This principle has found its application in the engine operation control system - CORD, which was designed to detect and shut down faulty engines.

On the installation of the engine rocket engine insisted Korolev. Without the infrastructure and technological capabilities of the costly and risky creation of advanced high-energy oxygen-hydrogen engines and defending the use of more toxic and powerful heptyl-amyl engines, leading to the engine-building of the Glushko Design Bureau did not engage in engines for the ХNNXX, after which their development was entrusted to Kuznetsov Design Bureau. It should be noted that the specialists of this design bureau succeeded in achieving the highest resource and energy perfection for oxygen-kerosene-type engines. At all stages of the launch vehicle, the fuel was located in the original ball tanks, which were suspended on the carrier shell. At the same time, Kuznetsov's KB engines were not powerful enough, which led to the fact that they had to be installed in large quantities, which ultimately led to a number of negative effects.

The design kit for the H-1 was ready for March 1964, the flight test design (LCI) was scheduled to begin in the 1965 year, but this did not happen because the project was not supported by funding and resources. This was due to a lack of interest in this project - the USSR Ministry of Defense, since the payload of the rocket and the range of tasks were not specified specifically. Then Sergey Korolev tried to interest the political leadership of the state in the rocket by proposing to use the rocket in the lunar mission. This offer has been accepted. 3 August 1964, the corresponding government resolution was issued, the start date of the LCI on the rocket was shifted by 1967-1968 years.

To accomplish the mission of delivering the 2 astronauts to the Moon’s orbit with the landing of one of them on the surface, it was necessary to increase the missile carrying capacity to 90-100 tons. This required solutions that would not lead to a fundamental change in the conceptual design. Such solutions were found - installing additional 6 LRE engines in the central part of the block “A”, changing the azimuth of the launch, reducing the height of the supporting orbit, increasing the fueling of the fuel tanks using fuel and oxidizer subcooling. Due to this, the load capacity of the H-1 was increased to 95 tons, and the starting weight increased to 2800-2900 tons. The outline of the H-1-LZ rocket for the lunar program was signed by the Queen 25 of December 1964.

The following year, the rocket scheme underwent changes, it was decided to abandon the ejection. The air duct was closed by the introduction of a special tail section. A distinctive feature of the rocket was the massive return on payload, which was unique to Soviet missiles. For this, the whole carrier scheme worked, in which the skeleton and the tanks did not form a single whole. At the same time, a rather small layout area due to the use of large spherical tanks led to a reduction in payload, and on the other hand, extremely high engine performance, an exceptionally low specific weight of tanks and unique design solutions increased it.

All stages of the rocket were called Blocks "A", "B", "C" (in the lunar version they were used to bring the ship to near-Earth orbit), blocks "G" and "D" were intended to disperse the ship from the Earth and braking near the Moon. The unique design of the H-1 rocket, all the stages of which were structurally similar, made it possible to transfer the test results of the 2-th stage of the rocket to the 1-th. Possible emergency situations that could not be “caught” on the ground were supposed to be checked in flight.

21 February 1969, the first launch of the rocket, followed by another 3 launch. All of them were unsuccessful. Although during some bench tests, the NK-33 engines proved to be very reliable, most of the problems that arose were associated with them. H-1 problems were related to the unwrapping moment, strong vibration, hydrodynamic impact (when the engines were turned on), electrical noise and other unaccounted effects caused by the simultaneous operation of such a large number of engines (30 at the first stage) .

These difficulties were impossible to establish before the start of the flight, because for the sake of saving money, expensive ground-based stands for fire and dynamic tests of the entire carrier, or at least its 1-th stage in the assembly, were not produced. The result of this was the testing of complex products directly in flight. This rather controversial approach ultimately led to a series of rocket crashes.

Some associate the failure of the project with the fact that the state from the very beginning did not have a definite clear position, like Kennedy’s strategic stake on the lunar mission. Sharkhanya Khrushchev and then Brezhnev leadership regarding effective strategies and objectives of astronautics are documented. So one of the developers of Tsar-Rocket, Sergei Kryukov, noted that the H-1 complex died not so much because of technical difficulties, but because it had become a bargaining chip in the game of personal and political ambitions.

Another veteran of the industry, Vyacheslav Galyaev, believes that the determining factor of failures, in addition to the lack of due attention from the state, was the banal inability to work with such complex objects, while achieving the approval of quality and reliability criteria, and the lack of readiness of Soviet science at that time implementation of such a large-scale program. Anyway, in June 1974, the work on the Н1-LZ complex was stopped. The reserve available for this program was destroyed, and the costs (in the amount of 4-6 billion rubles in 1970 prices of the year) were simply written off.

Information sources:
-http: //ria.ru/analytics/20090220/162721270.html
-http: //www.buran.ru/htm/gud%2019.htm
-http: //www.astronaut.ru/bookcase/article/article04.htm? reload_coolmenus
-http: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CD-1#cite_note-3
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  1. +11
    12 March 2013 09: 51
    It’s a pity Sergey Pavlovich left early, he could have brought it and carried it out (in the country's leadership)
    1. +1
      12 March 2013 17: 36
      The point is not only that Korolev died and no one began to move the project.
      1) The military did not show interest in the lunar program, but their word is decisive in space exploration.
      2) instead of concentration of efforts, competition arose from, for example, Chelomei
      3) The conflict of Korolev and Glushko.

      Even Korolev for a long time could not achieve the decree of the Central Committee and the Council of Ministers on the lunar program. From the very beginning, there was a delay in terms of time from the Americans, who began work in 1961 almost immediately after the flight of Yuri Gagarin, since they did not want to be the first on the Moon and the USSR.
      1. Zynaps
        +3
        12 March 2013 23: 00
        it's not even about the military or about conflicts. after the first victories in space, confusion and vacillation began among the various design bureaus. if the Americans took into account our experience, did not give a damn about any competition there and the entire key development of "Saturn - Apollo" was rigidly subordinated to von Braun, then ours began to blow each in its own tune. Thus, three projects of lunar rockets appeared: N-1 Korolev and two competing projects from Chelomey and Yangel. plus two teams in isolation from all worked on the project of a manned flyby of the moon. and this is all with a not so greedy budget and instead of concentrating efforts. In addition, the backlog in microelectronics had its say, and such a complex system as H-1 was incredibly difficult to control and manage on the basis of the existing material base.

        there was no lag behind the Americans. they only had to design and test a heavy launch vehicle for flight not only to the Moon (while the USSR had already worked out the basis of the foundations - "seven"), tk. their first astronauts were definitely suicide bombers and flew into space on all sorts of crap, like a modified FAU-2 "Redstone" and an "atlas" launch vehicle, which had an emergency every 5th launch.
    2. vimati
      -3
      14 March 2013 15: 43
      Korolev Sergey Pavlovich and his team have reached an impasse and the country has paid dearly for this and there is no need to regret it! As a designer, he has outlived himself! The future was in the hands of Glushko, but the political decision did not take place !!! It's a pity !!!
      1. +1
        26 October 2013 00: 23
        Quote: vimati
        Korolev Sergey Pavlovich and his team reached a dead end and with

        They simply did not reach the VICTORY ...
        And the dispute between Korolyov and Glushko was resolved by "Energy" in which the engines are oxygen-hydrogen
        1. vimati
          0
          26 October 2013 10: 21
          Engines stood on energy GLUSHKO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          1. +1
            2 July 2015 09: 31
            Glush, but oxygen-kerosene RD-170, not heptyl.
        2. +1
          2 July 2015 09: 28
          What a dispute? Glushko refused to work on oxygen -kerosene engine for H1, because at that time he worked on the RD-253 engine for the future Proton. And then he was offered to give up everything and start a new engine, and even set the conditions for fuel on it. Naturally, he refused. This ruined H1 in many ways: it turned out to be a bulky unreliable system of 30 engines with a ring arrangement, the rocket was unstable in flight, twisted around its axis, and the engine control system, which could turn off emergency engines, was unstable. It is clear that the behavior of such a huge and complex system could not be calculated and modeled on the ground. The launches of the N-1 were somewhat reminiscent of the tests of the German A-4 - they went into the blind by trial and error, studying the behavior of the rocket in flight. Only very expensive were the tests with H1.
      2. 0
        17 February 2023 11: 13
        the country paid dearly for it
        . Not true. The same seven had a number of features that allowed it to remain in service for many decades. Its first stage is suspended on the launch pad. This reduced the weight of the first stage. The devices were powered by an electric motor, not batteries. That's another minus the weight. It was launched at the start, first the first stage consisted of side blocks. When the second stage was launched, the suspension ring was disconnected from the suspension system and the ascent began. This is savings on launching the second stage of a rocket in flight. Read Chertok B.E. There is a lot of what was planned. Browse modern mid-range missiles. They are entirely with side steps, but there is no lighter than seven missiles. She has one flaw. Initially, it is a one-time combat system. It is very ugly to leave a rocket in the 1st century and call a rocket a dead-end direction of Soviet design thought. The experience of working on H1 made it possible to develop skills in the design of large multi-engine rocket systems. This includes parrying vibrations in fuel banks, and control systems for multi-chamber twins for one turbopump, etc. Well, H10 made 5 pieces for DOSs. But they spent only 15 billion rubles. By the way, the Americans spent 22,5 billion. With such a purse, we could reach Mars. Do not forget that at that time we were reducing the backlog in nuclear weapons from 1,6 to 22000. with their gold reserves of 2000 tons, with ours about 70 tons. So a dead end at XNUMX years old does not absorb I into our intellect.
  2. White
    +5
    12 March 2013 10: 06
    She was already told that on the 5th and 6th launches the confidence was 100% - it would fly without problems, but the time had already passed the USA worked out the Apollo program.
    1. Avenger
      0
      12 March 2013 10: 29
      Quote: White
      they say that on the 5th and 6th launches the confidence was 100% - it will fly without problems,

      In hindsight, you can say anything. However, if the 5th had not flown, then surely 100% of luck would have accompanied the 6th and 7th missiles! And the 6th would not have flown, then certainly the 100th and 7th would have flown 8%. And the 7th wouldn’t fly ... and so on.
      1. 0
        17 February 2018 10: 40
        Quote: Avenger
        In hindsight, you can say anything. However, if the 5th had not flown, then surely 100% of luck would have accompanied the 6th and 7th missiles!

        The opinion about the success of the 5th flight is well founded. The 1st, 2nd and 4th flights ended abnormally solely due to the unreliability of the engines, and in the third, the emergency termination of the flight occurred due to loss of roll control as a result of the action of previously unaccounted for additional disturbing moments exceeding the available control moments of the organs roll.
        Details can be found here: http://www.buran.ru/htm/gud%2019.htm
        Engine reliability has been greatly enhanced: http://lpre.de/sntk/NK-33/tests.htm
        Benchmarking on materials [1] and [10]
        The high reliability of the engines was confirmed by the large positive statistics obtained during bench testing - 221 by testing 76 engines in a wide range (significantly exceeding the requirements of the technical specifications) of changes in external and internal factors.
        The reliability of multiple starts was confirmed on 24 engines with a repeat rate of starts up to 10 on one engine. At the same time, the parameters of the start-up process during repeated starts were kept stable and did not depend on the number of starts.
        To confirm the reliability, a complex of highly effective measuring and diagnostic tools for the analysis of fast-moving dynamic processes was developed and put into practice. The methods of detailed mathematical and hydrodynamic modeling of non-stationary modes of engine operation were applied, as well as methods of artificial physical reproduction during bench tests of various alleged (even unlikely) engine failures.
        For example, tests were carried out with throwing large portions of metal chips, fasteners (screws, nuts), large pieces of rough wiping cloth (60x60 cm in size) at the entrance to the oxygen pump of a working engine, etc. All this did not lead to accidental outcomes. Even a sharp, shock cutting (“guillotine”) with the help of a special device for the fuel inlet pipe with a running engine did not lead to an explosion and fire, but caused a gradual cessation of the working process while maintaining the engine’s operability during subsequent starts.

        Your opinion
        And the 7th wouldn’t fly ... and so on.
        based on speculation, not concrete facts.
        And the facts are such that a rocket completely ready for flight with new ultra-reliable engines was simply not allowed to fly!
        It is clear that after the fifth successful flight, the program would be much more difficult to cover.
        http://www.buran.ru/htm/gud%2019.htm
        By the fifth launch of the N1-L3 N 8L complex, all types of ground-based multi-resource engines (11D111, 11D112 and 11D113) of high reliability, mounted on a rocket after fire tests without bulkhead, were developed and passed all the tests. However, the fifth launch did not take place, since in December 1972 the United States completed its lunar program with the flight Apollo 17 and the political interest in the lunar program disappeared.
  3. +2
    12 March 2013 10: 07
    50 years have passed and there are still no attempts to create such a thing!
    And if she flew !!!! .....
    1. Cheloveck
      +4
      12 March 2013 11: 16
      Quote: concept1
      50 years have passed and there are still no attempts to create such a thing! And if she flew !!!! .....
      Why not?
      Energy of the same class and successfully flew.
      1. postman
        0
        13 March 2013 03: 06
        Quote: Cheloveck
        Energy of the same class and successfully flew.

        Where? When? How many? Who is producing?
        15 May 1987 years
        November 15 1988 years

        all of the five (became the property of Kazakhstan) and destroyed 12/05.2002/XNUMX
        after the closure of the work, the manufactured missile bodies are either cut or thrown into the backyard of the enterprise, where they still remain

        Most likely, the Energia launch vehicle destroyed the Soviet cosmonautics.
        1. Containers
          +2
          14 March 2013 08: 24
          Do not confuse warm with soft. The answer was "no attempt to create such a thing." The Energia launch vehicle was an "attempt". Moreover, it even surpasses the N-1. And both launches of Energy were successful. The fact that later she no longer became necessary to anyone is a question of a completely different plan.

          The Soviet cosmonautics was ruined by the collapse of the USSR, and who is to blame for this can be counted on the fingers. One hand. And there will be more. About 4 fingers.
    2. -2
      12 March 2013 15: 33
      Quote: concept1
      50 years have passed and there are still no attempts to create such a thing!

      Energy is a more heavily armed rocket

      Quote: concept1
      And if she flew !!!

      .............. Would be a grandfather
      1. +3
        12 March 2013 17: 31
        Quote: atalef
        Would be a grandfather

        The "people chosen by God" know for sure and does their entire history of super-mega-projects.
        Everything was possible in the USSR!
        This "mattress" flew from Hollyvodum to the moon.
        Really a huge step for humanity. And they walk and walk, carry and carry to the masses "liberal" nonsense. good
        1. -6
          12 March 2013 17: 50
          Quote: Papakiko
          Everything was possible in the USSR!

          With the exception of feeding the country, providing consumer goods, allowing them to travel freely abroad, and .... I can continue on. Without detracting of course, and many advantages. Only now --- everything is possible - tell shkolota.
          1. +7
            12 March 2013 19: 35
            Quote: atalef
            Only now --- everything is possible - tell shkolota.

            Daragoi!
            Explain why you personally (you) need the need to bring nonsense to the masses !?
            The USSR did not fence itself off from the whole world itself, but the world headed after WW2 by a "mattress" and "islanders" identified us as outcasts. Although before that, they did the same.
            "Fulton's speech" is not Stalin I.V. pushed?
            Who imposed embargoes and all kinds of restrictions on trade and technology exchange with the USSR ?!
            Back ourselves !?

            therefore STORYTELLER Borisovich try to do not drive through pipes and then perhaps a likeness of this will be sung about you:


            hi
            1. -2
              12 March 2013 21: 38
              Papakiko,
              And who asked people if they want isolation? Why were people forbidden to travel abroad? So you ask yourself how you feel about the fact that the state will forbid you to go abroad or how you will feel about the empty stalls in the shops.
              In the USSR there were many pluses but also there were many minuses
              1. -2
                12 March 2013 22: 29
                Quote: Atrix
                And who asked people if they want isolation?

                I didn’t drink with you at the Brudershaft.
                Therefore no need YOUkat!
                Address your questions to the "mattress" and their "wipes".
                I hope your home is not a "full bowl" now. All rags from "Made bu China" and "Chance" cars.
                Otherwise, your "liberal-democratic offense" cannot be explained. Or the possibility of gas from a pipe tyry deprived?
              2. Zynaps
                +10
                12 March 2013 23: 40
                Quote: Atrix
                And who asked people if they want isolation?


                Speedy's racer missed. Churchill's Fulton brook, from which the "Iron Curtain" began and the new confrontation, did not come from us. at that time our cities and villages lay in ruins, people in offices and at train stations spent the night and bomb craters were not overgrown. so where are the pioneers in that situation gathered on a tour, where "all inclusive"?

                Quote: Atrix
                Why were people forbidden to travel abroad? So you ask yourself how will you react to the fact that the state will forbid you to travel abroad


                Do homegrown experts know that quotas from that side existed for citizens of the USSR to visit Western countries? and, taking into account these quotas, experts first of all fell, and only Semyon Semyonovich Gorbunkov, not to mention experts in the field of everything, had what remained. By the way, according to statistics, foreign trips were available to 3% of USSR citizens. Today, overseas trips are available to the same 3% of citizens. Moreover, the overwhelming number of visits are not in Europe-America, but in the resorts of Turkey and Egypt.

                Quote: Atrix
                or how do you feel about the empty store shelves


                it is unbeknownst to experts that empty shelves appeared under Gorbachev, almost immediately after the criminal document of the Council of Ministers, which allowed business entities to cash out non-cash enterprises, which was never a means of payment, but was a means of accounting and planning. as a result, the country collapsed with an unsecured money supply, which took everything off the shelves. and according to the OBKhSS operatives, there was open sabotage in large cities (in Leningrad under Sobchak, for example, in Moscow under Popov), when food from factories was sent straight to the city dump.

                Quote: Atrix
                In the USSR there were many pluses but also there were many minuses


                in children, as always: about nothing. not even cons intelligently sound.
          2. 0
            12 March 2013 21: 56
            Well, obviously the fifth point prevented you!
  4. +1
    12 March 2013 10: 33
    Most likely, it’s just not possible to repeat such a missile and bring it to launch. Even if it is brought to this day electronically. The country has no power for such a huge deal. It is unfortunate that the Queen was not able at the time to bring this project to mind! Now there are no such giants. All grandmas sawing!
    1. +4
      12 March 2013 10: 52
      hohryakov066,

      Why repeat a failed rocket? After it, a more advanced system "Energy" was created. And now, on the basis of Energy, they can create a new heavy rocket.
      1. Cheloveck
        +1
        12 March 2013 11: 18
        Quote: trenkkvaz
        Why repeat the failed rocket?

        Why unsuccessful?
        They brought her, but they didn’t let her fly.
        1. +4
          12 March 2013 17: 20
          Too many engines in the 1st stage cannot be considered the optimal solution. In the event of a failure of one engine, the opposite must be disabled. Hence, it is necessary to have excess traction margin. In one of the unsuccessful launches, several pairs of engines were sequentially switched off and the rocket crashed almost vertically to the launch line and destroyed it.
          Probably it was possible to bring the rocket to mind, but here the question of price and necessity.
          Initially, such a large and complex product was tested using the same methodology as for much lighter missiles - by numerous test launches. When Energia was created, testing was carried out on the stands. Therefore, both test launches were successful (the fact that in the first the payload did not go into orbit is not the fault of the carrier).
        2. postman
          0
          13 March 2013 03: 07
          Quote: Cheloveck
          Why unsuccessful?

          FAA and R-1 technology: outboard fuel tanks
          1. 0
            17 February 2018 11: 17
            Quote: Postman

            Quote: Cheloveck
            Why unsuccessful?

            FAA and R-1 technology: outboard fuel tanks

            Read here how the design of the H1 rocket was determined.
            http://www.buran.ru/htm/gud%2019.htm
            During the design process, various layout schemes with transverse and longitudinal division of steps, with bearing and non-bearing tanks were considered, as a result of which a missile scheme with transverse division of steps with suspended monoblock spherical fuel tanks, with multi-engine installations at 1, 2 and 3 stages was adopted .
        3. t-101
          0
          18 March 2013 23: 59
          nobody forbids to recreate "energy"! Everything is there.
          1. lucidlook
            0
            April 19 2013 23: 39
            Quote: t-101
            Everything is.

            Is that all? Specialists? Technological chains?
  5. +2
    12 March 2013 11: 50
    Once again I am convinced of what a great country the USSR was and what the top "fucking"
    1. +3
      12 March 2013 14: 29
      Quote: JonnyT
      Once again I am convinced of what a great country the USSR was and what the top "fucking"

      Well, so, missiles were designed and made not by the peasants (a hypothetical "country"), secretly from the "top", but just by order and under the control of these very "top". And Korolev, and Yangel, and Glushko and most of our other outstanding designers and scientists were members or candidates for members of the Central Committee. And they were also among these very "tops". Not everything is so simple and straightforward.
      By your logic and war, they won against Stalin and his generals.
      And the country was Great, and the people who led it, too. That's why they did such projects here. While the traitors have not changed the creators. IMHO.
      1. 0
        12 March 2013 16: 05
        I didn't mean it ..... Basically everything was "pro ** ano" thanks to the command from above ..... in truth, the fish rots from the head! This is from the opera on the extraction of cobalt from odyvans, which Trotsky proposed to do
        1. +1
          12 March 2013 17: 21
          Quote: JonnyT
          fish rots from the head

          Good excuse for the tail.
  6. +3
    12 March 2013 12: 29
    Great projects of a great era.

    The pace at which, indicative of all mankind, the Russian civilization began to develop, shocked the entire "progressive" society ... and it reacted convulsively ... destroying the greatest state ... I have a feeling that the Russian civilizational idea is still in demand.
  7. +4
    12 March 2013 12: 37
    One of the factors behind the closure of the project was the fact that Khrushchev’s son at that time worked in the back of the rival Queen Chelomey. Korolev himself claimed
    "Complex N1, which took so much money, effort and years, died not so much because of technical difficulties, but because it became a bargaining chip in the game of political and personal ambitions."
    .





    1. Eric
      +2
      12 March 2013 13: 39
      I must say that Chelomei is also talented, to match the Queen was.
      1. +3
        12 March 2013 16: 31
        Quote: Eric
        I must say that Chelomei is also talented, to match the Queen was.
        Undoubtedly, not only Chelomei. Thank God there were enough designers then. Just Korolev was the first, it was the Chief Designer
        Now they would say about charisma
  8. +2
    12 March 2013 13: 58
    All the same, it is not clear. request The Proton could be used to fly to the moon.
    Not enough carrying capacity?
    Bring the lunar ship into orbit in parts, dock and go!
  9. 0
    12 March 2013 14: 20
    Quote: ATATA
    All the same it is not clear. request For a flight to the moon it was possible to use "Proton


    Namely, the Proton-K launch vehicle was created just for the first stage of the lunar program. By the way, the launch vehicle development program was successfully developed in a very short time. VN Chelomey had problems only with the development of the lunar ship, so the industry leadership preferred its alternative, presented by OKB-1 S.P. Korolev.

    But other times have come.
  10. 0
    12 March 2013 15: 27
    I do not agree with the author's irony: "Tsar-rocket". If not for the Tsar-Politburo, everything would have been normal. Plus, if you look closely. the engine control system was implemented on Energia. Glushko was generally the evil genius of the Queen. And what was Yangel worth, who managed to push the Queen from the leadership of the KB for some time. Korolyov was a romantic, and his opponents were eager to capture their name. At least, reading the memoirs of missilemen from different companies, you constantly come across contradictions.
  11. -4
    12 March 2013 15: 39
    The H-1 super heavy launch vehicle was called the “Tsar-rocket” for its large dimensions (the starting weight is almost 2500 tons, the height is 110 meters), and also the goals set during the work on it. The rocket was supposed to help strengthen the state’s defense capability, promote scientific and national economic programs, as well as manned interplanetary flights. However, like the well-known to their namesake - Tsar Bell and Tsar Cannon - this design product could not be used for its intended purpose.

    good comparison . The Tsar Cannon - never fired, The Tsar Bell - did not ring. In general, the pursuit of gigantism is a problem of backward technologies and unsuccessful design.
    If there is less (with the same characteristics), it is initially better.
    We are still reaping the fruits of gigantism. As with typhoons, so with rockets for them, giant factories and projects.
    Money wasn’t considered then, but it’s a pity
    1. +2
      12 March 2013 17: 24
      Quote: atalef
      As with typhoons, so with rockets for them, giant factories and projects.

      You smack the "mattress" for the Aircraft Carriers.
      Korean and all the others that are building Supertankers и Super Container Trucks.
      The pursuit of gigantism is a problem of backward technologies and unsuccessful design.
      Glitter-Chic-Delight. good
      1. -1
        12 March 2013 17: 48
        Quote: Papakiko
        Glitter-Chic-Delight

        How is your reading comprehension?

        Quote: Papakiko
        If there is less (with the same characteristics), it is initially better.

        ?????? fool
        1. -2
          12 March 2013 19: 51
          Quote: atalef
          ??????

          Storyteller.
          I don’t need to ascribe other people's comments.
          Where I took it and put it on.
          I do not need someone else's, I am not "Israel's seed".
    2. +1
      12 March 2013 19: 29
      Gigantism?
      But what about Saturn 5?

      Main characteristics
      Number of steps 3
      Length 110,6 m
      Diameter 10,1 m
      Launch weight 2965 ("Apollo 16") t
      Payload mass
      - at LEO 140,9 tons (Apollo-15 launch; Apollo spacecraft and the 3rd stage with the rest of the fuel).
      - on the trajectory to the Moon 65,5 tons (46,8 - the Apollo spacecraft + 18,7 - the 3rd stage with the rest of the fuel).

      How do you think you had to fly? Do two smaller rockets?
      1. 0
        12 March 2013 19: 54
        Quote: bootlegger
        But what about Saturn 5?

        And these "Blue on White" have everything, like an enlightened "gayrope", backwards do everything and us ignoramus taught "To drink beer with assholes."
    3. +2
      12 March 2013 21: 59
      but the tsar’s bomb has withered)
    4. Cheloveck
      +2
      13 March 2013 03: 41
      Quote: atalef
      We are still reaping the fruits of gigantism. As with typhoons, so with rockets for them, giant factories and projects.

      What grief do you have?
      Did Israel get anything from this?
      Quote: atalef
      Money wasn’t considered then, but it’s a pity
      Actually, the Russians never considered money for the right thing, unlike ...: D
  12. 0
    12 March 2013 18: 34
    It was necessary to do it in a batch scheme of universal blocks - such as hangars.

    In this version, it was easier to debug block by block, not to mention the fact that developing and building identical blocks is faster and cheaper, easier to transport, etc.

    From my point of view, the problems of H1 are largely associated with an unsuccessful layout solution.
  13. kamakim
    0
    12 March 2013 18: 58
    -king?
    -king!...
    originally PPC ...
  14. +1
    12 March 2013 19: 11
    Korolev tried to drive three in one life. Moreover, the three lives of a genius ... I have not seen anything less than the Moon after orbital flights. But in vain! This rocket was supposed to put the station into orbit. It would be especially cool to try to do this by pulling the last oxygen tank into orbit to later include it in the station. In general, she will train these balls, having designed and built the station already in orbit. This would not be an ISS crammed, but a real combat platform! On the basis of such a station, one could make a real orbital city. Oh ...
  15. 0
    12 March 2013 21: 21
    When a person does something on the verge of his abilities, you always need something more than knowledge and skill, you also need luck. Korolev, apparently, was a man of luck, luck. He was gone, and failures went.
  16. sartak
    +1
    12 March 2013 21: 24
    Addition, all the engines were saved. In the 90s they were sold to the Americans, now they are trying to adapt them to Russian space projects. Various tests are underway at the Samara test complexes. There is a question of reviving the mass production of these engines, because they are still considered the best in their class! Glory to Soviet science and designer N. Kuznetsov.
  17. 0
    13 March 2013 02: 45
    Quote: Ascetic

    One of the factors behind the closure of the project was that Khrushchev’s son

    One of the factors behind the closure of the project was the delusional design of the rocket - 30 first stage engines.

    It is almost impossible to negotiate the stable operation of such a quantity of rocket engines
    - For comparison, Southrn-5 had only 5 powerful engines. Alas, they could not create engines of such power in the USSR - they had to fence a system of 30 engines. Comedians
    1. postman
      +2
      14 March 2013 02: 45
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      delusional rocket design - 30 first-stage engines.

      Then it’s not rockets but remote control.
      Count yourself?
      ph "East"

      Launch vehicle "Molniya"

      launch vehicle Soyuz-2.1b

      DELTA

      DU N-1

      LV "Energia"

      With the reliability (on failure) of the L1-L3 LRE at 0,9989742 (if I’m not mistaken), no difference, the full control system fits into the 0,9 standard.

      And here:
      1. LV design: SUSPENDED FUEL TANKS, BEARING HOUSING (!) - yes, return to FAA and R-1.

      And this is the Chinese carrier tank - housing

      Why did Korolev "return"? Nobody can explain (really), but the industry did not produce at that time a "waffle" wall of such dimensions .... But probably it was possible to slam a machine with "CNC"
      2. Because of the tanks, UI and UT, and, accordingly, PN on BUT, they could not satisfy the requirements for delivery of LOK and LM to the Moon. (See below)
      The stock was below the baseboard: HOT (for a manned one!) Separation of steps, with tanks EMPTY (no residues) / Note UNION / Proton residue in tons (sometimes)
      3.LOK and LM crude, I can send a photo (made with an ax and not completed)
      1. postman
        0
        14 March 2013 02: 51
        Quote: Postman
        And this is the Chinese carrier tank - housing

        / does not want the photo to "mold" /
      2. postman
        0
        14 March 2013 02: 56
        Quote: Postman
        DELTA

        / does not want the photo to "mold" /
        The truth here is of course quite less .....
      3. -1
        14 March 2013 18: 02
        The truth lies with infringement, but I’m used to believe that the whole thing is in the number of engines .... hmm ...

        and maybe the truth is the whole matter among them - Saturn surprises. 100% of successful launches
        Did I understand correctly - does Saturn have a tank hull? with all the benefits
        Quote: Postman
        LOK and LM crude, I can send a photo (made with an ax and not completed)

        come on. I only saw a photo of the LOC layout in MAI
        But is TMK? I dreamed a lot about him in childhood))))
        1. postman
          +1
          14 March 2013 19: 27
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          and maybe the truth is the whole matter among them

          no. An example is an auto-frame construction and a supporting body, for analogues (well, Suzuki Vitara and Rav4, for example) COMPARED weight is empty and full, consumption and speed, everything will become clear. Fight for GRAMS (well, for 100 for sure) and here TONS (lost)/ Ships do not count)
          + take into account all this DISPOSABLE and "Keeps 2 figure ONLY under boost pressure.
          I did not think about why and why we have horizontal assembly and transportation of LV (unlike antipodes and EVEN the Chinese)?
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          Saturn is surprising. 100% successful launches

          Answer:
          -all skated at the stands (we did not bulo)
          -all skated on intermittent launches (S-1, etc.)
          -technological capabilities yet, uh, let’s say so a little richer
          -Qty is LITTLE - drop a coin (tails eagle), or ... get on the car and ride 100-200km every day, the result will surprise


          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          Avai. I only saw a photo of the LOC layout in MAI

          / now I will send if I find /
          I climbed him in Dmitrov (from top to bottom)

          Anode and from the elements of the hull and tanks N-1, I ::
          -hiding from the sun (not far from 1 well or from 32),
          -was (stood) divorced
          - He doused himself with water when it’s hot. There (at 113 - if I haven’t forgotten) a chic platform for sunbathing and dousing (futuristic), the remnants from N-95 were used for 1%.
          The sun (case July-August), occasionally rolls through / through the tumbleweed pad (pun intended), jerboas (urinates with a sneaker at a time)
          -discs (canopy made from the remains of N-1
          - some pieces in the steppe, thrown into abandoned (blown up) mines)

          On the night of February 23-24, 1992, a military riot broke out in the military construction units of the 110th, 118th, 253rd sites. For several hours of atrocities, robberies and robberies, military and state property was inflicted by millions of (according to 1992 estimates) irreparable damage. And the moral damage inflicted by officers of military construction units, their families, residents of the city of Leninsk and the village of Tyura-Tam is practically impossible to assess.
          In time, our practice ended ......
        2. postman
          0
          14 March 2013 19: 30
          Bvikonur (Leninsk) 13th platform ... SAD MEMORY
    2. 0
      17 February 2018 12: 00
      Quote: Santa Fe
      One of the factors behind the closure of the project was the delusional design of the rocket - 30 first stage engines.

      It would be nice to read some details about the H1 rocket
      http://www.buran.ru/htm/gud%2019.htm
      Then I would not have to write delusional comments.
  18. 0
    19 March 2013 20: 55
    I read the local skirmish on a rocket - and I want to ask only one question to its critics. If both she and the NK-19 engines were so bad, why then during the mess of the early nineties the Yankees famously bought up all these engines (if my sclerosis doesn’t change me - they produced about a hundred pieces and they stood on conservation) and use them with all their might!? hi
    1. vimati
      0
      20 March 2013 13: 37
      They bought Glushko RD-100 engines and are still buying!
      1. lucidlook
        0
        April 19 2013 23: 51
        And not RD-180 an hour?
  19. +1
    27 March 2013 22: 54
    A gorgeous product of the Brilliant designer! good And in the times of "unlimited possibilities", when this whole scheme was being created, I am sure that the result would be similar to the "Union" with its 50-year experience!
  20. 0
    April 22 2013 17: 31
    The banal idea that even the theory of reliability, given the excessive number of capricious engines and systems of the apparatus, inexorably sentenced the project. At that level, Soviet technology and science, the rocket was not viable
    1. 0
      17 February 2018 12: 10
      Quote: xomaNN
      with that excessive number of capricious engines and apparatus systems, inexorably pronounced the verdict on the project.

      Yes, the first 4 missiles had unreliable, capricious engines, but for the fifth H1 missile they were slightly modernized. Here are some notes about the new, "moody" engines:
      http://lpre.de/sntk/NK-33/tests.htm
      Benchmarking on materials [1] and [10]
      The high reliability of the engines was confirmed by the large positive statistics obtained during bench testing - 221 by testing 76 engines in a wide range (significantly exceeding the requirements of the technical specifications) of changes in external and internal factors.
      The reliability of multiple starts was confirmed on 24 engines with a repeat rate of starts up to 10 on one engine. At the same time, the parameters of the start-up process during repeated starts were kept stable and did not depend on the number of starts.
      To confirm the reliability, a complex of highly effective measuring and diagnostic tools for the analysis of fast-moving dynamic processes was developed and put into practice. The methods of detailed mathematical and hydrodynamic modeling of non-stationary modes of engine operation were applied, as well as methods of artificial physical reproduction during bench tests of various alleged (even unlikely) engine failures.
      For example, tests were carried out with throwing large portions of metal chips, fasteners (screws, nuts), large pieces of rough wiping cloth (60x60 cm in size) at the entrance to the oxygen pump of a working engine, etc. All this did not lead to accidental outcomes. Even a sharp, shock cutting (“guillotine”) with the help of a special device for the fuel inlet pipe with a running engine did not lead to an explosion and fire, but caused a gradual cessation of the working process while maintaining the engine’s operability during subsequent starts.
      In 1976, instead of 33 s, required by the terms of reference, one of the engines of the first stage NK-140 worked at a stand of 14.000 s.
      I especially like the fourth paragraph - it especially expressively shows the level of reliability of Soviet technology and science.
      Such super-reliable engines stood on the 5th N1 rocket, which was completely ready for flight, but was not allowed to fly up.