Israeli Noodles: Not Proven Doesn't Mean No

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Israeli Noodles: Not Proven Doesn't Mean No

In the wake of the IDF's recent successes in knocking out the Hamas command, many in the world have wondered: why such success? Well, Israeli munitions were flying very well to where the Hamas commanders were. Yes, no one has cancelled ground reconnaissance, and, most likely, its merits in this regard are more than significant, but... After all, we are in the 21st century. And now many Internet channels have revealed the sinister secret of success: the Israeli military has a super-modern UAV, which can be used for anything from reconnaissance to assassinations.

Asking the Israeli side about the existence of such a device is as pointless as trying to ask the question, "Do you have an atomic bomb?" The answer will be, "Why do you need such information?"



But the Americans came to the rescue, dumping on the Internet, as if into a sewer, data from God knows where about the existence of an Israeli unmanned aerial vehicle RA-01, used for secret missions. It is difficult to say where this data came from (they say that intelligence missed it), but it became known that Israel has fleet stealthy, long-range drones capable of gathering intelligence and possibly carrying out strikes.

It's all very logical, and it would be strange if Israel didn't strive for such opportunities. This country has a decent advanced drone industry, and drones This type would be very well suited to support the operations carried out by the Israeli army. Yes, by the way, such drones could also play a very significant role in the confrontation with Iran.

The RA-01 is even mentioned in supposedly classified documents from the US National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA), the authenticity of which US officials do not dispute and which first appeared online last week on various channels on the social media platform Telegram. An investigation into whether this unauthorized publication was the result of a hack or leak is ongoing. The documents could still be disinformation or intentionally inaccurate, so their authenticity cannot be confirmed, but at this point there is no indication that they are not genuine and there are many indications that they are genuine.

In general, everything is very confusing.


The allegedly leaked NGA documents focus on observations of Israeli Air Force (IAF) exercises from October 15-16, which are seen as part of preparations for retaliation, primarily for Iran's ballistic missile attacks. rockets earlier this month.

In addition to the RA-01 discussion, there is also discussion of Israel's air-launched ballistic missiles, including the Rocks and the previously undisclosed Golden Horizon, which were used in previous Israeli retaliatory strikes against Iran.


There was also talk about Israel's nuclear arsenal, which the country has never publicly acknowledged and which the NGA believes will not be used in any operations against Iran in the near future.

As for the RA-01, the NGA documents do not provide any details about its design, capabilities, or fleet size. It is unknown what the RA-01’s nomenclature might mean. “RA” could stand for reconnaissance and strike capabilities. Its basic structure also matches the alphanumeric designations that Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) has used for drones in the past. This designation could also be an internal U.S. intelligence community term for the platform, and therefore have nothing to do with the actual name. One NGA document also refers to the ROX air-launched ballistic missile as the IS02, which appears to be another internal designation in the U.S. system.


A Rocks ballistic missile under the wing of an Israeli Air Force F-16I fighter jet


The NGA report also does not say that any RA-01s were actually seen in action, only that there were indications of the craft being used during the period in question from a closed area at Ramon Air Base in the Negev Desert in southern Israel.

Ramon Air Base is a dark place... It suddenly became one of the targets of Iran's missile and drone attacks on Israel, and the reason for this choice of the Iranian military is not entirely clear. Or we do not have the amount of information that the Iranian military has. The base is supposedly mainly home to F-16I Sufa fighters and AH-64 attack helicopters, but there are rumors that all this fuss is just a cover. In fact, for many years, various secret and specialized units have been stationed there.

Experts and observers have already identified a pair of fenced-off areas in the northeastern part of Ramon with direct access to one of the base's two runways where RA-01 may be located.

Satellite images indicate that work on this area of ​​the base began at least in 2007–2008. In the mid-2010s, it underwent significant renovation and expansion, including the construction of an entirely new runway, additional hangars, and other facilities.


A satellite image of the isolated Ramon Air Base area taken in 2010, showing its original layout.


Satellite image taken in August 2023 shows an updated and expanded view of the isolated area at Ramon Air Base.


General view of Ramon Air Base in Israel in 2023


Each of the current enclosures contains a pair of semi-circular hangars, approximately 20 x 25 metres. One section also contains a rectangular hangar, originally built at the time of the base's creation, measuring approximately 36 x 20 metres. Both areas have open canopy-style enclosures measuring 20 x 20 metres, leading to a common taxiway just over 30 metres wide.

On the one hand, these numbers seem to mean nothing, but on the other hand, they may indicate the maximum wingspan of the RA-01.

White triangles painted on the pavement to the sides of both shelters appear to indicate exhaust warning zones, which could indicate jet propulsion from the drones. And the shelters themselves could be shelters where ground personnel can safely load munitions and other cargo, as well as conduct various types of inspections, away from prying eyes, including satellites.


A closer look at hangars, sunshades, runway markings and other features in the isolated area of ​​Ramon Air Base as of August 2023.

The presence of two separate fenced areas may also indicate that there is more than one type of drone in this part of Ramon Air Base in addition to the RA-01. This, in turn, may indicate that the hangar and runway dimensions, as well as the triangles on the runway, are not intended for RA-01 alone. The hangars may also be used to store multiple objects at once.

As noted earlier, Israel's aerospace sector has a rich history development of unmanned aerial vehicles. Moreover, although Israeli companies have not publicly demonstrated stealth aircraft, manned or unmanned, stealth is inherent in many Israeli developments. In particular, IAI is known to have reached the wind tunnel testing stage in the 1990s with a concept for a high-altitude, long-endurance unmanned aerial vehicle with radar and infrared signature reduction capabilities called the HA-10. The HA-10 was associated with the Israeli Early Interception System (IBIS) missile defense project, which envisioned using a drone with missiles to destroy hostile ballistic missiles in the early portion of their trajectory.

The drone was planned to fly at altitudes of 7 to 15 km and would have been equipped with an IRST (infrared search and track system), a laser rangefinder, data links and two to four Python air-to-air missiles, according to a 2002 article in the digital publication Jane's Strategic Weapon Systems. The HA-10 was designed with a low IR and radar signature and could fly for up to 24 hours with a payload of 1000 kg.


HA-10 design visualization


In a paper presented by IAI staff at the 24th International Congress on aviation science in 2004, the HA-10 is described as one of “a number of additional advanced high-altitude configurations” that the company had previously studied “as part of its design improvement activities.” IAI’s HA series also includes another, non-stealthy drone, the HA-13, which the company proposed in conjunction with TRW in the United States to meet the U.S. Air Force’s Level II+ drone requirement. The project played a role because it was one of the foundations for the Global Hawk.

The possibility that the RA-01 is close in form and/or function to something like the HA-10 or RQ-170, or even a flying wing UAV, fits well with other details of the IAF's large-scale exercises, as well as with the IDF's overall operational considerations, particularly with regard to Iran.

Meanwhile, Iran has a pretty decent system. Defense, created from both Soviet and Chinese-made air defense systems, as well as its own licensed ones. In addition, the country's air defense includes new Russian air defense systems, which significantly increase the capabilities of the Iranian air defense. Confirmation of these capabilities was the US Navy RQ-2019 drone shot down by Iran in 4 over the Strait of Hormuz. This incident sparked a heated debate about the survivability of non-stealth UAVs in future conflicts, which clearly influenced subsequent military planning in the United States. And conclusions were also made about the capabilities of modern air defense systems. The RQ-170 drone also flew over Iran several times, and in 2011, authorities discovered a virtually undamaged example that had fallen on the country's territory.


A 2011 restored RQ-170 Sentinel drone is on display in Tehran.

It is also interesting to note here that the initial work to establish the sealed area at Ramon Air Base in the late 2000s was carried out at a time when concerns were growing that Iran would receive more powerful S-300 air defense systems from Russia. These same concerns reportedly influenced the Israeli Air Force’s decision to purchase the stealthy F-35 fighter jets. Iran also finalized the S-300 deal around the same time that work was underway to upgrade and expand the Ramon compound. Coincidence? It could very well be.


Other incidents in the years since, including strikes against Iranian-backed militias in Iraq in 2019, have raised questions about the previously unknown capabilities of Israeli drones. Advanced drones operated by Israel and other countries may also help explain some of the reported incidents involving unidentified flying objects over Iran in recent decades, which have also often been accompanied by reports of powerful electronic attacks on fighter jets and radar stations. Israeli systems EW – this is a topic for a separate tactical analysis.

Overall, for Israel, with its long and apparently unfinished history of very long-range and often covert and/or secret strikes against high-value targets in other countries, a drone capable of continuously monitoring vast and hard-to-reach areas would be very useful. Drones capable of intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) missions could also provide important intelligence before and after strikes. And they likely do.

A stealthy ISR drone platform could also help provide early warning of potential threats (such as missile launches in Iran) and monitor areas of interest, all with a lower likelihood of Iran detecting the presence of these UAVs.

As past experience has shown, continuous surveillance can help track the dynamics of a specific area or target in a specific area, yielding various types of useful tactical intelligence based on the observations. Carrying out such surveillance deep into enemy airspace without the enemy even knowing that he is being observed can result in much more accurate intelligence than satellite imagery.

As an example, the RQ-170 helped monitor Osama bin Laden’s compound in Pakistan before and during the U.S. raid that killed the terrorist leader, and the U.S. Air Force is considering using the Sentinel on a regular basis to assess the damage from attacks. In the latter case, a test was conducted using the RQ-170 to assess the impact of the GBU-57/B Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP), a bunker buster munition specifically designed for use against deeply buried targets.

For example, such as the facilities that house most of Iran's nuclear infrastructure.


RQ-170 at Anderson Air Force Base, Guam

There is also the question of whether Israel could be involved in any way with the RQ-170 and/or related developments. The Sentinel has played a role in tracking the nuclear and ballistic missile programs of Iran, North Korea and Pakistan, so what's stopping Israel, which is at the forefront of UAV development and sells its products to other countries, from using the technology to create its own aircraft with capabilities no worse than the RQ-170?

A true stealth UAV capable of long-range strikes or non-kinetic attacks (such as electronic or cyber) would give Israel additional capabilities to attack high-value targets and penetrate heavily defended areas, precisely because of its stealth. The ability to deliver a small munition to “hammer” a single high-value target would be an important feature for a platform of this type.

Moreover, Iranian developments such as the Shahed-139 have long since demonstrated that a small and poorly located kamikaze drone is often more effective than a cruise missile or aircraft.

In addition, the range of UAVs is usually several times greater than that of fighter jets. For Israel, this could mean that they could carry out entire missions to Iran and back without the need for mid-air refueling, especially since the Israeli Air Force has very limited mid-air refueling capabilities, and how to do this in foreign airspace is another matter.

At one time, there were reports that the US military and American intelligence maintained a small fleet of stealth General Atomics Avenger drones for the same reasons.


In general, the question asked at the beginning about Israel’s possession of such devices can be called rhetorical. The absence of devices with such capabilities in the IDF would be as curious as the loss of interest (at least in words) in the US military for stealth “flying wing” UAVs. Considerable work continues to develop and deploy unmanned aerial vehicles in other parts of the world, from France to Turkey, from Russia to India. China has made particularly significant progress in this area in recent years, so while there is no clear evidence that Israel has such devices, there is some confidence that they exist in sufficient quantities and are used quite effectively.

Well, Israel doesn't have nuclear weapons? And it doesn't have any stealthy long-range spy drones...


But what if everything is a little different, and everything that was stated above, all this hype around the “leaked” data is just another interesting operation by the MOSSAD?

It looks like, by the way, very similar. First, Iran shook its missiles for a long time and promised that "if something happens...", although nothing happened for quite a long time. And then there was that very night show that shook the whole world, and in the region no one slept that night. And here it is worth remembering how many media outlets in the West ranted about Iran's weakness and inability to answer for its words.


And now, it seems, Israel is in roughly the same situation. And then, as if by chance, the New York Times turned up materials; the publication's journalists "completely by accident" (someone must have dropped a flash drive in a bar again) got their hands on a document that covers Iran's counter-plans in sufficient detail in the event that Israel decides to make a "comprehensive response."

It is difficult to say where the journalists got the orders from Iranian leader Khamenei regarding the army and the IRGC to prepare options for response, but they got it.

Well, here is the "counter-move" with leaked data from American sources. It's like ping-pong, where missile strikes alternate with information dumps.

But the hype surrounding the news has somehow died down, which cannot be said about the “secret plan,” the details of which are still stirring minds around the world as the media continues to publish secret Israeli plans at a Stakhanovite pace.

Or are there still “secret” Israeli plans?


Well, really, the whole world will find out so calmly that Israel is going to continue attacks, and even use a super-modern and top-secret drone for this

Otherwise, how would we know that Israel is planning to attack Iran with a super-secret drone that no one had heard of until recently? Now, thanks to the media, we know what is actually the main weapons Israel in the upcoming retaliatory operations.

My ears, to be honest, hurt a little. From the amount of noodles thrown at them. Good noodles, not the kind called ptitim, a round pasta product, a national Israeli product. But long noodles, more like Chinese. Sprawling.

Well, Israel has a nearly invisible reconnaissance and attack drone. Perhaps even a fleet of several dozen. Capable of flying more than 1500 km one way and carrying a warhead, this unique device deserves special attention, in my opinion.

Okay, range is not a problem for UAVs these days. The RQ-9 Reaper can fly up to 6 km and also carry almost 000 tons of bombs or missiles. Cool? Yes, its ammunition load consists of AGM-2 Hellfire air-to-ground missiles (114 pcs.), GBU-4 Paveway II laser-guided bombs (12 pcs.) or Mark 2 GBU-82 JDAM GPS-guided bombs.


What can the Reaper do to Iran's military and nuclear plants, which are located inside the mountains? Three or four are nothing.

How much and what can the Israeli super drone drag is a question, but it is doubtful that it can carry more. Meanwhile, the Israeli Air Force base "Nevatim" was hit that day by more than 30 Iranian ballistic missiles, including hypersonic ones. And Iranian missiles are evil, there the warheads from 400 kg are just beginning. And nevertheless, the "Nevatim" base is already operating in normal mode.

What could a fleet of 30 of these super drones do there, each of which could carry two 227-kg bombs? It's laughable.


In general, these very cautious slaps that Iran and Israel exchange (and Israel is clearly giving them a harder slap), they are really very cautious. Israel has missiles, it has nuclear weapons, it has excellent aircraft. Iran also has missiles, and their number is measured in thousands, and the number of hypersonic ones is at least in the tens.

Plus, we shouldn't forget that Iran has thousands of volunteer assistants on Israeli territory: intelligence officers, spotters, and just spies. And I'm afraid that Tehran sees the situation in Jerusalem much better than vice versa.

And in such a situation, to launch such campaigns in an attempt to convince everyone of the simply fantastic coolness of Israel, which has a “wundevafia” capable of calming Iran down in one fell swoop – well, that’s just ridiculous.

So this whole "super killer drone" thing is nothing more than just an attempt to put a good face on a not-so-successful game.

Yes, the Israelis are great. Hamas will not soon recover from the bloodbath that the group has caused, but Iran is not Hamas. It is a country with enormous potential, which, mind you, has not yet really started to strike.
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  1. +8
    30 October 2024 04: 51
    Hezbollah sent a strike drone into the window of Netanyahu's apartment.
    So this game with strike and reconnaissance UAVs can be played by two people.
    1. -3
      30 October 2024 09: 55
      It is possible and necessary, but so far it hasn't worked out. The gifts from the Jews reach their destinations regularly and with damage, while the Arabs are just talking. However, there is nothing to be surprised about - the Jews have a cloud of Western countries behind them, and Iran is fighting alone.
  2. +2
    30 October 2024 04: 57
    It still seems to me that there are more noodles.
  3. -6
    30 October 2024 06: 41
    Why try to break through hundreds of meters of rock above a nuclear facility when it is much easier to deliver something not so big, like Hellfire, to the mosque where Khamenei preaches. The main thing here is to time the sermon so that the grace of heaven descends on the right bald spot and delivers it by express to the desired virgins. Israel, and the entire West, have problems not with Iran as a country, and not with the Persians as a people, but only with the sadistic regime of the ayatollahs.
    1. +7
      30 October 2024 07: 34
      Why is the Ayatollah regime so sadistic? Because it didn't bend over backwards and spread its legs? The most sadistic regime in that region is the terrorist state of Israel, that's who really needs to be wiped off the face of the Earth!
      1. -7
        30 October 2024 07: 37
        If a girl is taken to the "morality police" because her hair has come out from under her hijab, and there she is beaten to death for it, in your opinion, this is not barbarity?
        1. +8
          30 October 2024 07: 47
          Please tell me more about the girl, otherwise it looks more like a fake.
          But what your Jews are doing in Gaza and Lebanon is seen by the whole world with its own eyes.
        2. +8
          30 October 2024 08: 21
          As life shows, this can easily happen in any of the most democratic police forces in the world. Especially in the very democratic Israel.
        3. +3
          30 October 2024 17: 39
          Just 50 years ago, in the "city on the hill", in some states, there were special places on public transport, special hotels and schools for blacks.
        4. +1
          31 October 2024 03: 32
          Quote: Nagan
          A girl is taken to the "morality police" because her hair has come out from under her hijab

          laughing In Iran, hijab is not mandatory.
          Quote: Nagan
          and there they beat people to death for it,

          belay What a horror.
          And in Israel, locals spit on foreigners, insulting their religious feelings. Although they earn a lot from them.
          And over the past year+ they killed over 12 thousand children. Not "girls" - children.
          And they continue.
          And it was from the books of your egregor that the custom of stoning women began. They even have instructions on how to do it CORRECTLY. And how is that possible? They themselves taught the naive Arabs to commit atrocities, they perform these abominations extremely reluctantly, but for some reason they are fanatics. Not even the House of Saud!... And laughing lol ... Iran?
          In Iran, even Islam is special, having left/adopted a lot from the quite decent Zoroastrianism... and it was still the Arabs and Jews who stoned their women and girls in the past.
    2. +4
      30 October 2024 07: 38
      Israel "doesn't have problems" with the "regimes" of all its neighbors, that's how it works out. You have to be very clever to be unable to live in peace with anyone for many decades. Everyone is out of step, only Israel is in step. One of two things: either Israel is stupid and aggressive and unable to negotiate, or Israel is cunning, smart, aggressive and overly self-confident, and all this "not a problem" with neighbors in the region is a deliberate policy that provides a formal pretext for the seizure of more and more territories.
      1. +3
        30 October 2024 08: 59
        Israel's conflict today is only with the "regime" in Iran and Syria (the latter is sponsored and largely survived thanks to Iran) + with part of the semi-legal "Freedom Fighters" (or rather for the extermination of Jews, and not Fighters but terrorists)... with Egypt and Jordan they are almost more friends than we are with our father - Israel gives us weapons free of charge, together they terrorize terrorists and shoot down Iranian missiles...
        1. +4
          30 October 2024 09: 08
          "They are friends with Egypt and Jordan..."
          Friends, only on paper. Although this is not bad. Gritting their teeth, they tolerate each other, having the order to "be friends". In case of a big mess, this "friendship" will immediately come to an end. Relatively recent cases, when terrorist attacks against Israelis occurred in Egypt, the behavior of Egyptian civilians and military personnel clearly spoke on whose side sympathies.
          1. +7
            30 October 2024 09: 27
            What kind of "big mess" is that? Gaza happened, did any of the neighbors really react? The citizens of the neighbors grumbled and went their separate ways... now a war has started in Lebanon, is there a reaction? No, even the local military does not support the Hezbollah, and by the way, I will remind you that in 2003 a stream of volunteers from Arab countries poured into Iraq, although many Arab governments supported the overthrow of Saddam, and the Hezbollah and Hamas are not particularly ready to support in deeds, not words. First of all, this is connected with intra-Arab squabbles, they are ready to cut each other, just give them a reason + the "fighters" have had enough of everyone, Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon know from their own skin what happens if you let them in
            1. 0
              30 October 2024 12: 30
              By "mess" I meant a deeper situation - the region is on fire or the Israelis are shooting at Palestinians in full view of the Egyptian army, and paper friendship tells, for example, the Egyptian leadership that Israel is a friend, they should, at the very least, not shoot at the Israelis, so civilians and even the army, I am sure, will start shooting at the Israelis.
            2. +3
              30 October 2024 12: 44
              Quote: parma
              The neighboring citizens began to grumble and disperse...

              There is a limit to everything. There has already been a precedent in history when "they grumbled and went their separate ways" ended badly for those who took it as a signal for permissiveness. It is not worth reasoning like that based on such logic.
          2. -1
            30 October 2024 19: 13
            Jordan gets almost all its water from Israel and almost a third of the country has no other water in Jordan. This year Jordan asked to significantly increase the water supply again. What will happen if Israel closes the water.
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            2. +1
              30 October 2024 19: 46
              Maybe it is as you say, I am not aware, but what was said only confirms the fragility of the Middle East peace where it seems to exist. In any case, such peaceful coexistence with neighbors is based on fears for their own security or is bought by the elder brother of Israel for some preferences (or lack of sanctions) for another country.
              This is not a world based on a common or similar ideology, it is a fig in the pocket and a knife behind the back
            3. D16
              +1
              30 October 2024 23: 02
              Jordan gets almost all its water from Israel

              How did they live there before without Israel? After all, there was no one to ask for water. lol
      2. 0
        30 October 2024 09: 35
        there is no problem with social networks, there is a problem with double standards, when the "democratic" Angolan-Saxons spread rumors in their media!
    3. D16
      +1
      30 October 2024 22: 46
      with the brutal regime of the ayatollahs.

      Not a single Jew was harmed in two well-deserved missile strikes on Israel. That's all you need to know about the savage regime of the Ayatollahs. lol
  4. -9
    30 October 2024 07: 56
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Hezbollah sent a strike drone into the window of Netanyahu's apartment.
    So this game with strike and reconnaissance UAVs can be played by two people.


    And they play like that everywhere - in pairs.
    Including the SVO. And that's what hit the Kremlin.
    1. +5
      30 October 2024 12: 46
      Quote: SkepticOptimist
      And they play like that everywhere - in pairs.
      Including the SVO. And that's what hit the Kremlin.

      Ukraine should be happy that such a game is not played by two people and that Bankova has not yet been hit. And not jump for joy with another victory.
  5. -3
    30 October 2024 08: 13
    Quote from vicvic
    Israel "doesn't have problems" with the "regimes" of all its neighbors, that's how it works out. You have to be very clever to be unable to live in peace with anyone for many decades. Everyone is out of step, only Israel is in step. One of two things: either Israel is stupid and aggressive and unable to negotiate, or Israel is cunning, smart, aggressive and overly self-confident, and all this "not a problem" with neighbors in the region is a deliberate policy that provides a formal pretext for the seizure of more and more territories.


    1) You are very far from politics in the Greater East. Your knowledge of the history and politics of the Greater East needs to be improved.
    2) Israel has no particular problems with Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain, Morocco, Azerbaijan, etc. Israel secretly and openly cooperates with many countries of the Muslim and Arab world, both in Asia and Africa.
    3) In total, Israel has diplomatic relations with 160 countries*, including many Muslim countries - neighbors and more distant ones.
    --------------------------------------
    According to the United Nations, there are currently 193 member states of the organization.
    4) But Israel has far fewer enemies, despite all the loud public statements.
    1. +2
      30 October 2024 12: 37
      "Israel has no particular problems with Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, UAE"
      This is on paper, a thin layer of civilization and mutual restraint. Underneath it is deep rage and hatred. It is not for nothing that the Middle East was and is considered a powder keg. It is very easy for this "friendship" and paper peace to turn into either an official war or something from the "knife in the back" series.
      In the minds of many citizens of these countries (and perhaps the majority) of the population, to put it mildly, there is a bad attitude towards Israel.
  6. -3
    30 October 2024 08: 23
    This is what we should learn from Israel: well-organized intelligence. The rest is a matter of technique.
    1. +7
      30 October 2024 12: 41
      Then he will learn both cunning and plausible lies. Otherwise, how can we explain that the intelligence service allegedly missed the Palestinian attack on Israel?
      Israel mined pagers with radio stations in Lebanon, identified and knocked out the leaders, and allegedly knew nothing about the Palestinian attack.
      1. +1
        30 October 2024 13: 49
        Then he will learn both cunning and plausible lies.
        So, in your opinion, cunning and lies are not acceptable for intelligence?
        and allegedly knew nothing about the Palestinian attack.
        They knew everything, and they needed the attack only to start a war in Gaza. The plan to reorganize the Middle East has not been cancelled.
        1. 0
          30 October 2024 13: 56
          Of course, both cunning and lies are acceptable for intelligence. I wrote that we should learn this from Israel
    2. -1
      30 October 2024 17: 41
      Yeah, a year ago we all saw this "organized" reconnaissance.
      1. 0
        30 October 2024 19: 02
        Stalin and the USSR had numerous excellent intelligence and the NKVD, but June 22, 1941 was unexpected, very terrible and bloody. And the fault was not only and not so much on Stalin, but on the General Staff, many District commanders, etc. The treachery and deceit of the enemy was, is and will be. And also boasting, etc.
        1. 0
          31 October 2024 10: 03
          And the intelligence was not very good, and analytical work with the data obtained was completely absent as a fact.
  7. -3
    30 October 2024 08: 32
    Let's find out (exactly) what kind of ammunition the Israelis used to strike Iran? Otherwise, it's just guesswork.
  8. -5
    30 October 2024 09: 12
    As long as Israel is in alliance with the United States, no one will be able to do anything for peace, not war.
    We seem to be for Iran, but how can we help it militarily? We ourselves lack weapons in the SVO. We cannot even repeat the successes of the Soviet Army in WWII in Ukraine. Only when we defeat the Banderites will we be able to really help Iran.
    1. -3
      30 October 2024 17: 57
      By the way, almost the entire southwestern region of Iran's air defense was completely destroyed, and there were mainly S-300s, similar Chinese ones, and air defense systems, very good, made in Iran. Nevertheless...
      1. D16
        +1
        30 October 2024 22: 37
        By the way, almost the entire southwestern air defense region of Iran was completely destroyed.

        Israel has a large UAV fleet. If Iran is so bad, then who prevented the Jews from filming the results of the strikes live, as we do with the "Ukrainian" patriots and toffees? Who prevents them from posting the videos and not being unfounded? All I have seen on the topic so far are two half-destroyed sheds where they allegedly produced mixed fuel. Admit honestly that they fired into the desert, accidentally hit somewhere and killed two soldiers. Maybe the Ayatollah will understand and forgive laughing .
  9. +3
    30 October 2024 09: 12
    "haven't started hitting for real yet."
    This reminds me of something.
    So far, the only thing that is memorable is the kidnapped hostages, the slaughtered Hezbollah leadership, the generally useless shelling of Israel, and, conversely, the murders of Iranian generals...

    The score is in Israel's favor
  10. -2
    30 October 2024 09: 14
    Does Israel have nuclear weapons? It all depends on how far away from Israel the US aircraft carriers are. If they are close, then they have them, and if they are far away, then they don't.
  11. 0
    30 October 2024 10: 27
    Asking the Israeli side about the presence of such a device is as pointless as trying to ask the question, “Do you have an atomic bomb?”

    One of my compatriots once answered this question like this:
    Firstly, we do not have nuclear weapons, and secondly, if necessary, we will use it.
  12. 0
    30 October 2024 10: 27
    But the author is too lazy to post a photo of RA01 so that everyone can appreciate it?
  13. +1
    30 October 2024 10: 29
    It is quite obvious that both sides are trying to save face, but at the same time not to cross a certain line beyond which lies the end. Israel has nuclear weapons, and Iran has controlled groups that are quite capable of delivering all sorts of chemical, bacteriological and radioactive nastiness to enemy territory.
  14. -3
    30 October 2024 12: 51
    Quote from vicvic
    "Israel has no particular problems with Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, UAE"
    This is on paper, a thin layer of civilization and mutual restraint. Underneath it is deep rage and hatred. It is not for nothing that the Middle East was and is considered a powder keg. It is very easy for this "friendship" and paper peace to turn into either an official war or something from the "knife in the back" series.
    In the minds of many citizens of these countries (and perhaps the majority) of the population, to put it mildly, there is a bad attitude towards Israel.


    But what excellent relations China, Russia, Iran, Turkey, etc. have with their neighbors.
    Do not draw conclusions from phenomena without comparing them with others.
    Who and where is interested in the opinion of citizens? No more than a dozen countries in the world, probably, and these are not the ones you and I listed.
  15. -4
    30 October 2024 12: 56
    Quote: suhorukofal
    Quote: SkepticOptimist
    And they play like that everywhere - in pairs.
    Including the SVO. And that's what hit the Kremlin.

    Ukraine should be happy that such a game is not played by two people and that Bankova has not yet been hit. And not jump for joy with another victory.

    So they play together: fixed matches operate in different directions.
  16. -2
    30 October 2024 12: 59
    Quote from vicvic
    Then he will learn both cunning and plausible lies. Otherwise, how can we explain that the intelligence service allegedly missed the Palestinian attack on Israel?
    Israel mined pagers with radio stations in Lebanon, identified and knocked out the leaders, and allegedly knew nothing about the Palestinian attack.


    Tell me who is the most simple and truthful of the countries (list)?
    And what intelligence service has not had colossal blunders (list)?
  17. +2
    30 October 2024 15: 42
    Two Jews are pushing the world towards World War III. The Jew, who is Israeli, may end up in prison, which is naturally not in his plans, while the other one, who is from the outskirts, will simply be killed, so both have nothing to lose. And both have the hands of puppeteers sticking out of their asses.
  18. +4
    31 October 2024 13: 10
    Quote: Glagol1
    Gifts from Jews arrive where they need to, regularly and with damage, but for the Arabs it’s just talk.

    The political leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah are relatively easy targets. They are in plain sight, they participate in negotiations, and Sinwar has personally been fighting on the front lines for more than a year. Eliminating them is more of a politically damaging decision than an intelligence problem.
    It is difficult to discover the preparation of the operation on October 7 and prevent it. It is difficult to discover the places from which the rockets are fired and where the Hamas fighters and Israeli prisoners (hostages) are located. And Israel has not succeeded in this yet.
    I also don't think that the Arabs are just talking. Good talking, which from October 7, 2023 to October 29, 2024 led to the death of 777 and the injury of 5206 Israeli soldiers, according to official Israeli reports. And this is without the victims of the police, other security services and territorial defense. Especially since there is no end in sight.
  19. +1
    31 October 2024 22: 02
    another Jewish propaganda to mask recent humiliations
  20. +2
    1 November 2024 12: 35
    There is no need to multiply entities. Everyone who is not too lazy, from rank and file to commanders, snitch to Hamas. Hence the high efficiency in knocking out their leaders.
  21. 0
    4 November 2024 10: 09
    a state-of-the-art and top-secret drone
    Oh my god! What do we do? What do we do!! Israel HAS A DRONE! My neighbor had one too. So what? What's so sensational about it? That Israel has one? Everyone has one. That it's "super modern"? What is that anyway? What's super?
    That the UAV is not a helicopter with Ali, to which a battery and a grenade are tied with blue tape? Well, yes, such a super-invention (which no one except super-Israelis has ever thought of) will significantly expand its range. And that's all.
    What's with all the panicked screaming?