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Four big lies about the burial of Lenin

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Lie first. The main propaganda blow concentrates on instilling public opinion about the burial of Lenin. And here the mean-spirited calculation is obvious - what a normal person would object to the burial of the remains of the deceased. Although in the case of Lenin we are talking about reburial.


It seemed an obvious thing for everyone — Lenin was buried. As the founder of the Russian Federation and the USSR, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin was buried with the highest state honors of January 27 of 1924.

By the way, contemporaries didn’t doubt that Lenin was buried. Newspaper articles and notes of January-March 1924 were full of headlines: “Lenin's grave”, “At the grave of Ilyich”, “At Lenin's grave”, etc.

And the form of the burial was determined by the country's highest authority — the Second All-Union Congress of Soviets — in the ground, at a depth of three meters in the crypt above which the Mausoleum was erected. By the way, the delegate of the congress, Lenin's widow Nadezhda Konstantinovna Krupskaya, voted for this decision.

Even considering the burial of V.I. Lenin from the standpoint of modern legislation, and it takes into account the existing Orthodox cultural traditions of the Russian people, the crypt and the Mausoleum above it must be fully consistent with the current laws of the Russian Federation. The embalmed body of Lenin rests in a coffin-sarcophagus at a depth of three meters under the ground, which fully complies with the provisions of the Federal Law “On burial and funeral business” from 12.01.1996. Article 3 of this law says: “Burial can be carried out by bringing the body (remains) ground (burial in the grave, crypt) ". And the body of Lenin, we recall once again, buried in a crypt (vaulted tomb, buried in the ground).

It’s difficult for an ordinary citizen to substitute the notions of “burial” and “reburial” in a massive information flow: the direction is very high - all state media, including television, even “independent” news agencies and liberal opposition publications write only about “burial”, carefully concealing the substitution concepts.

Political initiators of the reburial are not very profitable to face the public in the guise of grave diggers. Hence the lie about the need for burial, which is not.

Four big lies about the burial of Lenin

The second lie. Lenin's body has been put on display, it does not rest in a Christian way, it is not interred.
Let us recall the public statement of Olga Dmitrievna Ulyanova’s native niece Lenin: “I have repeatedly stated and will repeat once again that I categorically oppose the reburial of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin. There is no reason for this. Even religious. The sarcophagus in which it lies lies three meters below ground level, which corresponds to the burials according to Russian custom and the Orthodox canon. ”

Olga Dmitrievna more than once already repulsed the grave-diggers claiming that Lenin was allegedly buried not in accordance with the folk traditions, outside the framework of the Orthodox cultural tradition.

On the fact that the body is not interred, the answer is already given on the basis of the provisions of the Federal Law “On Burial and Funeral Business”: burial in a crypt is a form of burial in the ground.

And now about the view of the buried body. Is this an exceptional case in the practice of the burial of great, illustrious people in countries with strong Christian cultural traditions?

The most famous example is the burial in the open for viewing sarcophagus of the great Russian surgeon Nikolai Pirogov near Vinnitsa. The sarcophagus with the coffin of the great scientist is placed in a crypt, which is one of the forms of burial in the ground and has been on display for almost 130 years. As it is written in the definition of the Holy Synod in St. Petersburg, “so that the disciples and followers of the noble and godly deeds of the servant of God, N.I. Pirogov could contemplate his bright appearance.

But an excerpt from the conclusion of the Chairman of the Commission of the Central Executive Committee of the USSR on the funeral of V.I. Ulyanov (Lenin) F. Dzerzhinsky: “To meet the wishes of the masses of the USSR and other countries, see the appearance of the late leader, V.Ilyanov’s funeral ( Lenin) decided to take measures at the disposal of modern science for the possible long-term preservation of the body. ”

In this case, how does the decision of the state body of the Russian Empire, which was the Holy Synod, which allowed to “see the bright face” of the deceased scientist Pirogov to his students and admirers, differs from the same decision of the highest state authority represented by the Congress of Soviets and the CEC of the USSR? Nothing? Then why is everything calm on the first occasion, but on the second there is a universal hubbub?

As we see, in the case of the noise around the burial form of Lenin, political slyness covered up with some pseudo-religious spells appears on his face.

After all, no one in the case of Pirogov, much less in the case of Lenin, raises the question of copying the practice of attitude to the relics of saints canonized by the Church. Nobody of the bodies of Pirogov or Lenin in the country for worship by believers, as the Church does with the relics of saints, does not carry. Nobody is applied to the embalmed bodies of the departed great people. Everyone understands that their incorruptibility is the recognition of their services to people (the state, society, various communities, etc.). Only citizens who honor such great statesmen and scientists as they enter the crypt receive the opportunity to "see the bright face."

By the way, in such a fiercely Catholic country, a similar approach was with the burial of the “head of state”, the founding father of Second Rechispolitoy Marshal Pilsudski, whose relations with the official church were also far from cloudless. He converted from Catholicism to Protestantism, then again to Catholicism. And the May coup 1926, organized by the founder of the state was very bloody. Yes, and in the creation of concentration camps Pilsudski very well distinguished himself. But ... the founder of the state. Although the Catholic Church was even engaged after burial by dragging his remains along the Wawel crypts, which provoked the episcopate’s conflict with President Mostitsky.

Recall Pilsudski was buried in 1935, in the Wawel Castle, in a crypt in a glass coffin. But embalming was ineffective. As a result, only a small window was left, which is currently closed.


The original glass coffin of the founding father of the 2nd Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth Marshal Pilsudski before his transfer to the crypt under the tower of the Silver Bells in Wawel


The third lie. Attempts are being made to convince society that it is necessary to fulfill the last will of Lenin, who allegedly bequeathed to bury himself next to his mother at the Volkov cemetery in Leningrad. This lie goes around the world since it was first announced at a meeting of the Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR, broadcast live, by one Karjakin. Then the fiction was picked up by the pope of the current socialite and Putin’s mentor Anatoly Sobchak.

From the statements of Olga Dmitrievna Ulyanova it is unambiguously clear: “Attempts to prove that there is a will to be buried in the Volkov cemetery are unsuccessful. Such a document does not exist and could not be; in our family there has also never been talk on this topic. Vladimir Ilyich died at a fairly young age - at 53, and naturally, he thought more about life than about death. In addition, given historical the era in which Lenin lived, his nature, the character of a true revolutionary, I’m sure he would not write a will on this subject. Vladimir Ilyich was a very modest man who least of all cared for himself. Most likely, he would leave a will to the country, the people - how to build a perfect state. ”

Scientist and publicist A.S. Abramov, Chairman of the Board of the Charitable Public Organization (Fund) for the Preservation of the Mausoleum of V.I.Lenin many times gave the media a response from the RCCHIDNI (this is the former Central Party Archive) to the request of the Yeltsin administration regarding Lenin’s will. The official response to the President of the Russian Federation said that "there is not a single document of Lenin, his relatives or relatives regarding Lenin’s last will to be buried in a certain Russian cemetery."

Rights A.S. Abramov, who claims that even from the everyday point of view, the arguments about the Volkov cemetery are completely false. After all, Lenin is already resting next to the widow, Nadezhda Krupskaya, and sister Maria Ulyanova, whose ashes are in the necropolis near the Kremlin wall.


The fourth lie. It is necessary to remove the Mausoleum and the Necropolis of the heroes of the Soviet era, since it is impossible to turn Red Square into a cemetery. The historical illiteracy of the authors of this argument is obvious. The territory of St. Basil’s Cathedral or “The Cathedral of the Intercession, that on the ditch” is also the oldest cemetery. What gentlemen, United Russia, the cathedral will blow up and dig graves, so that you feel more comfortable to organize the rinks and variety shows? And other sovereign graves in the cathedrals of the Kremlin do not bother you having fun?

Red Square in its current form is a place of power formed in the RSFSR and the USSR. Here, the concentration of symbols of all historical eras - from Moscow Rus (the place of power played here a place of execution) to the USSR (state tribune and burial of the founding father of the current Russian Federation and heroes of the Soviet era). And the current rulers of the Russian Federation, organizing parades in honor of the Victory Day of the USSR in the Second World War, de facto recognize this highest status of Red Square.

In the big market place, which was Red Square before Lenin and Stalin, there are no Victory Parades. For some reason, on the Cherkizovsky market state ceremonies will obviously not look.

Therefore, how uncomfortable and unpleasant you are, gentlemen temporary from United Russia, will have to endure when sending rituals of power in Red Square and Lenin in the Mausoleum, and Stalin's grave, and all the graves of heroes of the era of the RSFSR and the USSR. Without this, the current government does not even have the appearance of historical legitimacy.

* * *

In general, the barbarism and denseness of modern Russian Western liberals are amazing. If they had tried in some of the NATO countries, they would give a hint about the destruction or the grave-digging, say, in the mausoleum of President Grant in New York (a symbol of triumph in the Civil War of the North over the South), the mausoleum of the founding father of modern secular Turkey Ataturk. Or talk about the "legend of the land" of the founding father of the Second Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth Marshal Pilsudski or Napoleon, whose tombs are on display.

As you can see, the entire argumentation of the necrophobes from “United Russia” and its liberal ones was sung along with white threads. There is an attempt to settle the historical scores with the great Soviet era against the background of the uselessness of the current government, which is increasingly showing its state inconsistency against the background of real achievements of the USSR.

How else do people honor their great statesmen


Burials of Moscow princes in the Archangel Cathedral of the Kremlin


So originally looked the tomb of Kozma Minin in Nizhny Novgorod


Tomb of Emperor Napoleon in Republican France


Pantheon in Rome. Since the Renaissance, it was used as a tomb. Among those who were buried here are such great people as Raphael and Carracci, the composer Corelli, the architect Peruzzi and the two kings of Italy - Victor Emmanuel II and Umberto I


New York. USA. Triumph of the North over the South. Mausoleum of US President Ulysses Grant (1897) in Manhattan’s Riverside Park. Photo of the First World War: by the Grant's mausoleum sailing warships.


Mausoleum of the founding father of the modern Turkish Republic Ataturk.

As you can see, in the NATO countries with civilization and mausoleums everything is in order.
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  1. alexng
    alexng 12 March 2013 07: 43
    +1
    God is the judge of all ...
    1. Homo
      Homo 12 March 2013 08: 27
      +2
      alexneg, there is a good proverb - "Trust in God, but do not make a mistake yourself." This is a purely everyday problem and God has nothing to do with it.
      1. alexng
        alexng 12 March 2013 08: 39
        +3
        I mean that everyone gets what they deserve.
    2. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 12 March 2013 08: 44
      +4
      and I’m absolutely neutral to Lenin, it makes no difference to me, in the grave or in the mausoleum ... although it would be better if he was buried ....
      1. Ross
        Ross 12 March 2013 09: 13
        -8
        sasha 19871987,
        Lenin needs to be buried, the question itself is natural, the author is inflating again. The mausoleum itself as a ritual symbol by the type of Illuminati.
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 12 March 2013 13: 55
          +5
          Quote: Ross
          Lenin needs to be buried, the question itself is natural, the author is inflating again. The mausoleum itself as a ritual symbol by the type of Illuminati.

          I read the comments ..........
          There are many pros, there are also cons .......
          I will say one thing, while Putin is in power, all these disputes are useless, Lenin will be in his usual place. Putin is not stupid to sign a death sentence for himself.
          Well, what about this issue on the mind of someone who after Putin will know only God, so you need to calm down and not worry about all sides.
          My personal opinion, let it lie in peace. This is the story of the last 20 century.
          I advise you to look into the future with hope and believe that current problems and a bacchanalia of other people's values ​​are not eternal, everything that comes is also departing. Yes, it will be so.
          1. explorer
            explorer 12 March 2013 14: 55
            +6
            This is a story - OUR HISTORY. And I agree with baltika-18 let it lie.

            Attempts to change something bring one harm to everyone, both to the Communists and the Liberals.
            We must create a new story, and not try to dig up the past.
        2. explorer
          explorer 12 March 2013 14: 54
          0
          Ross,
          This is a story - OUR HISTORY. And I agree with baltika-18 let it lie.

          Attempts to change something bring one harm to everyone, both to the Communists and the Liberals.
          We must create a new story, and not try to dig up the past.
    3. serega52
      serega52 12 March 2013 11: 39
      12 th
      A liberal article was pure water, Lenin was a geek working for the West and the organizer of the 1917 revolution, it used to be that the people thought he was a hero, now the whole truth is on the gun, maybe the liberals will put Gorbachev in the mausoleum. These pi..races need to be buried abroad, they are not worthy of the Russian land!
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 12 March 2013 12: 08
        +6
        Quote: serega52
        the organizer of the 1917 revolution of the year,

        There would not be this revolution - there would be no USSR! So whatever one may say, but a hero.
        Or are you against the USSR?
        1. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 12 March 2013 12: 36
          -2
          Quote: Egoza
          There would not be this revolution - there would be no USSR! So whatever one may say, but a hero.

          The USSR is the same Russian Empire, but with a different political system. And it was not Lenin who built it. His activity brought Russia more suffering than good. For him, Russia was just a stage to world domination in the form of the so-called world revolution.
          Most likely, our children will decide the court of Lenin’s body. Most likely, now it’s a symbol for some people, and just a museum piece for someone. And a decision should be made on the basis of the opinion of the majority of the country's inhabitants.
          1. Corsair5912
            Corsair5912 12 March 2013 14: 16
            +3
            Shake the garbage out of your head.
            Lenin was the founder of a new type of state based on the power of the people, which had nothing in common with any empire.
            In all the organs of power of the USSR there were descendants of workers and peasants, and not aristocrats, merchants and clergy, is it really difficult to know and understand.
            The mausoleum and the body of Lenin in it is neither a symbol nor an exhibit, it is a monument to the greatest political figure in the history of mankind, who raised ALL mankind to a higher level in development.
            After the Russian Revolution of 1917, the entire aristocracy, with its claim to a "noble" origin, is nothing more than a ridiculous funny atavism, like a man's tail.
            1. lewerlin53rus
              lewerlin53rus 12 March 2013 23: 18
              0
              Quote: Corsair5912
              In all organs of power of the USSR there were descendants of workers and peasants,

              Here you have just the garbage in your head. laughing Lenin is a peasant son, Yes, the vast majority of the leaders of the revolution were descendants of the nobles, merchants and priests. But on the ground, in villages, there was an erratic rush that did not want to work for life, and here it was such a gift to take revenge on those whom they had envied all their lives, who had gained good by their labor. But the bulk of the workers and peasants were deceived by the Bolsheviks and so on and received neither land nor factories. On the contrary, collectivization took away everything that they had .. but the real rise of the country began after Stalin destroyed the Bolshevik-Leninist elite, destroying the country
              1. Corsair5912
                Corsair5912 14 March 2013 11: 32
                +1
                Ignorant nonsense, Lenin's father was from peasants, and not from noble noblemen.
                The vast majority of the leaders of the revolution were peasants, ruined nobles, merchants and priests, not much different from peasants. The point is not in class origin, but in the fact that there were no rich people among them.

                There has never been, never will be and never will be any loose goals in the village, who did not want to work, only an idiot who has never been in the village can make such a statement. In the village, those who do not want to work die first, there will not feed anyone.
                Workers and peasants actually got all land, factories, factories, etc., into ownership (not just personal, but common).
                Stalin did not destroy any Bolshevik-Leninist elite, he himself was in this elite, he destroyed the Trotskyists who opposed collectivization and industrialization of the country
                Have you read at least one article by Lenin Trotsky, Bukharin or Stalin, where did you get such rubbish into stupidity?
          2. stas52
            stas52 12 March 2013 15: 40
            +1
            Do not confuse Lenin with Trotsky.
      2. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 12 March 2013 14: 33
        +4
        The first and most bitter enemies of Lenin are the liberals working for the West, executing the "Harvard program" of the US State Department for the destruction of Russia, where the first point is the denigration of Lenin's memory.
        Lenin did not work for the West for a single minute, his whole life was a struggle with the pro-Western autocrats Romanovs who worked for the British, because he was so hated by the arrogant Saxons and their tame Jewish bankers (or vice versa, go figure out who is on the leash).
        Lenin laid the foundation of the Great Power, and the liberals are actively destroying it, and Lenin is their very first target.
      3. Mars President
        Mars President 12 March 2013 18: 53
        +3
        Googled "February Revolution", storyteller. The revolution was staged by the liberal-bourgeois opposition, which was going to sell Russia (as with Alaska), but grandfather Lenin interfered. So they are still angry.
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 12 March 2013 20: 51
          +1
          Yeah, Glory to the Great Blanca-Ulyanov, who, taking care of Russia, deprived her
          The Privislin provinces, Ukraine, the provinces with the predominant Belarusian population, the Estland, Courland and Livonia provinces, and the Grand Duchy of Finland were torn away from Russia. Most of these territories were to become German protectorates or become part of Germany. Also, Russia pledged to recognize the independence of Ukraine in the person of the government of the UPR.
          In the Caucasus, Russia was inferior to the Kars region and the Batumi region.
          The Soviet government ended the war with the Ukrainian Central Council (Rada) of the Ukrainian People's Republic and made peace with it.
          The army and navy were demobilized.
          The Baltic fleet was withdrawn from its bases in Finland and the Baltic states.
          The Black Sea Fleet with all the infrastructure was transferred to the Central Powers.
          Russia paid 6 billion marks of reparations plus payment of losses incurred by Germany during the Russian revolution - 500 million gold rubles.
          The Soviet government committed itself to stop revolutionary propaganda in the Central Powers and allied states formed on the territory of the Russian Empire.

          A territory of 780 thousand square meters was torn away from Soviet Russia. km with a population of 56 million people (a third of the population of the Russian Empire) and on which (before the revolution) were located: 27% of the cultivated agricultural land, 26% of the entire railway network, 33% of the textile industry, 73% of iron and steel were smelted, 89% of coal and mined 90% of sugar was produced; 918 textile factories, 574 breweries, 133 tobacco factories, 1685 distilleries, 244 chemical plants, 615 pulp mills, 1073 machine-building plants were located and 40% of industrial workers lived [4]: ​​286.

          At the same time, Russia withdrew all its troops from these territories, while Germany, on the contrary, brought in and retained control of the Mozund archipelago and the Gulf of Riga. In addition, Russian troops were supposed to leave Finland, the Aland Islands near Sweden, the districts of Kars, Argadan and Batum were transferred to Turkey. From the Narva-Pskov-Millerovo-Rostov-on-Don line, on which German troops were on the day of the signing of the treaty, they were to be withdrawn only after the signing of the universal treaty.
          Despite the fact that Germany could not continue the war.

          Well done Lenin!
          1. Corsair5912
            Corsair5912 14 March 2013 11: 51
            0
            When Lenin came to power, Russia did not have a combat-ready army and navy, vast territories in the west were occupied by the Germans, and in the south by the Turks.
            In many regions, separatists seized power, the same UNR made peace with the Germans earlier than Russia and invited the Germans to occupy its territory. The Georgians were also negotiating with the Germans about a German protectorate over Georgia.
            Learn history, not rubbish. Lenin was not a miracle worker and was forced to act in a real situation, and did not rely on miracles. He is not Stirlitz.
            The Gestapo grabbed Stirlitz by the arms and legs, he fought back miraculously, the "miracle" swelled and hurt.
  2. Renat
    Renat 12 March 2013 07: 44
    27
    Why are you clinging to Lenin? Around the world, these mausoleums of the pyramids and crypts exist and nothing. Or is there no other problem in the country like the reburial of Ilyich? In the end, the mausoleum is, if not noteworthy, then at least one of the country's business cards.
    1. Deniska999
      Deniska999 12 March 2013 07: 59
      21
      You know, do not touch him. Let it lie.
    2. Deniska999
      Deniska999 12 March 2013 09: 39
      +5
      And with us, every government is trying to discredit the former. That's all.
  3. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 12 March 2013 07: 48
    11 th
    to cremate. and to scatter ashes !!! In the mausoleum, wash everything with chlorine. So that there would be no dirt spirit.
    1. Goga
      Goga 12 March 2013 08: 27
      -9
      Alexander Romanov - Greetings, Alexander! Now the "Leninists" are throwing minuses at us, but my firm conviction is to keep in the center of the capital of Russia, in full dress, the one who hated both Russia and the Russian people to gnash of teeth - is not just immoral, but humiliating - this constantly reminds us that " "he lives and how you do not spin, and the victory will not be yours ....
      The Russian people have an almost all-encompassing historical experience - in the "time of troubles" they loaded a cannon with the same Russophobe and nailed them towards the west - let them fly to their own people ... And here you just need to do the same, just shoot towards the Middle East, the ancestral homeland of those who created and paid for this "figure" angry
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 March 2013 09: 10
        -8
        Quote: Gogh
        We are now "Leninists" throw minuses,

        hi Igor! yes they are already throwing it, we encroached on the "holy" laughing the Zhid spawn drowned the country in blood.
        Quote: Gogh
        but my firm conviction is to keep in the center of the capital of Russia, in full dress, whoever hated both Russia and the Russian people before the gnashing of teeth, is not just immoral, but humiliating

        I can put, only one plus.
        Quote: Gogh
        only shoot in the direction of the Middle East, the ancestral home of those who created and paid for this "figure"

        Yes, it’s to those. Whom Judah took the money !!!
        1. Goga
          Goga 12 March 2013 09: 25
          +2
          Alexander Romanov - The funniest thing, Sasha, is that out of ten "Leninists" nine of Lenin's "works" have not actually been read, but everything is written there in plain text, especially in the last volume, which contains notes that this "figure" tried to lead at the end your career. After reading these opuses, all respect and even more love for "grandfather Lenin" disappear without a trace.
          And I started it back in my deep childhood, when we were told a heart-warming tale, how Lenin, who had been imprisoned by a cruel tsar, made an inkwell out of bread and with milk (!) Wrote secret letters to his comrades ... - I immediately had a question, but milk then from where in prison? Something was painfully comfortable to sit in the "terrible" tsarist prisons ... hi
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 March 2013 10: 28
            +1
            Quote: Gogh
            that out of ten "Leninists" nine actually "works" of Lenin have never been read,

            And why read, they just saw, heard and URRRRAAAAAAAAAAAA fool
            Quote: Gogh
            , and where is the milk in the prison? Something was painfully comfortable to sit in the "terrible" tsarist prisons.

            Well, as Tymoshenko in Ukraine is also a jail. Any liberal for a day close with caviar and champagne and tomorrow will start yelling genocide
            1. Kaa
              Kaa 12 March 2013 12: 43
              14
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And why read, they just saw, heard and URRRRAAAAAAAAAAAA

              Quote: Gogh
              The Russian people have an almost comprehensive historical experience.

              Quote: Ross
              why do we need this cult when the issue of patriotism is more important now?

              Colleagues, this is a private matter of history, albeit a socially resonant one. The attitude towards Lenin among the masses is ambiguous. The same as for the whole of Russian history. The KP newspaper recently raised this topic. “It’s not enough for students of the Unified State Exam - soon a single history textbook will appear. Scientists plan to fulfill the wishes of President Vladimir Putin and rid history of ambiguities. How and when will it be, the KP correspondent found out Most often, the testimony of the textbooks diverges in three points: the emergence of statehood, the Great Patriotic War and the last 20 years of our history. If the first two points are at least described in manuals, then here is the last trouble. Objectivity is a relative thing. Especially when it comes to not the most attractive facts from the Russian past, for example, about Katyn or the Civil War. Could it be that the edited story turns into a sweet candy with a happy ending in the spirit of Hollywood? ”“ There are tragic facts in our history, ”admits Alexander Chubaryan ?, director of the Institute of General History of the Russian Academy of Sciences. - They do not need to be hidden from schoolchildren. But such moments must be dosed, history does not consist of defeats alone. There is no need for distortions, as in the USSR, when all the kings were enemies, and all the proletarians were heroes. A new textbook should be written with this in mind, and it will be read with pleasure. Can we create a single objective history textbook?Alexey MUKHIN, director of the Center for Political Information: - And it is possible and necessary. This textbook is needed, firstly, in order to serve as an ideological monument of the era. On the other hand, criticizing this textbook and discussing it is an extremely important element in the development of historical science itself. Konstantin BOROVOY, politician: - In Soviet times, we obtained objective historical information from foreign publications. The easiest way is to entrust this matter to Western historians. Yefim RACHEVSKY, Director of the Tsaritsyno Education Center, national teacher of Russia:
              - Of course available! First, a fact is briefly presented, and then, in italics, points of view on it. Let the students accept or not accept them. http://www.kp.ru/daily/26043.5/2957312/
              There you have two views - Russian and .... liberal-crappy - let the West help us, let the children choose what to believe in themselves ... when the adult historians have a roof. negative
              As for my attitude to the Mausoleum - whatever a person does, firstly, this is our common history and we ... we do not need to be like the Poles, for example, who took the body of B. Khmelnitsky out of the crypt, hung, then burned, " multinational "Trotskyists who destroyed the relics of the saints ... Secondly, the Mausoleum itself is already a symbol of the parades of November 1941 and June 1945, April 1961, May 1985 (bad memory). This is part of our history, tragic and sublime, but it must be one, without any exceptions ... otherwise we will be mankurt ...
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 12 March 2013 12: 56
                +3
                As for my attitude to the Mausoleum - whatever a person does, first of all, this is our common history and we do not need to be like the Poles, for example, who took the body of B. Khmelnitsky out of the crypt, hung, then burned, to the "multinational" Trotskyists , destroying the relics of saints ... Secondly, the Mausoleum itself is already a symbol of the parades of November 1941 and June 1945, April 1961, May 1985 (bad memory). This is part of our history, tragic and sublime, but it must be united, without any exceptions ... otherwise we will be mankurt ..

                Wise Kaa, as always, agrees + good
              2. Captain45
                Captain45 12 March 2013 20: 29
                +2
                I am tormented by vague doubts: "Konstantin BOROVOY, politician: - In Soviet times, we drew objective historical information from foreign publications. The easiest way out is to entrust this matter to Western historians. Efim RACHEVSKY, Director of the Tsaritsyno Education Center, people's teacher of Russia: - Of course , perhaps! First, the fact is briefly presented, and then, in italics, the point of view on it. Let the students accept them or not accept them. http://www.kp.ru/daily/26043.5/2957312/".With such experts as Konstantin Natanovich Borovoy and Efim Rachevsky will not soon have an objective history textbook for the Russian State. Maybe it would be better for them to write a history textbook for Israel? And we will try to get by with Klyuchevsky and Karamzin?
          2. serega52
            serega52 12 March 2013 11: 46
            -7
            [quote = Goga]
            They don’t want to read, trolls will do anything for a couple of dollars, well, while someone sincerely defends this Mr ... doesn’t know who he really is, to burn Lenin’s worm definitely !!!
          3. Ross
            Ross 12 March 2013 18: 09
            -1
            Goga,
            Igor, read how Lenin and Krupskaya in tsarist exile demanded a cook and a laundress from the "bloody" Nicholas at state expense. Alas, even Krupskaya was not accustomed to washing and cooking ...
      2. Ross
        Ross 12 March 2013 09: 16
        -4
        Goga,
        Hello, Igor! He was silent himself, saw your post, I fully support. Unprincipled towards the Russian people, why do we need this cult when the issue of patriotism is more important now?
      3. Nickanor
        Nickanor 12 March 2013 10: 15
        12
        Those. do you think the Great Victories of the Soviet people, created with the name of Lenin, are not taken into account? Do you think that all this was done by people sincerely hating their state and their people? Are they also in a gun and a hair dryer?
        How many achievements were made during the years of the USSR and how much was simple .. but the "leadership" of modern Russia!
      4. qwert
        qwert 12 March 2013 11: 13
        16
        In-in, Yeltsin must be embalmed in the mausoleum. He also loved Russia, and did a lot for Russia.
        Although it is of course, out of Nicholas II for bloody Sunday, for drawing Russia into an unnecessary war, where 7 millions of soldiers died, they made him a saint for bringing the country to a revolutionary situation, and put Lenin Toko in the mausoleum. Not an order !!! Urgent fix !!!!
        By the way, I relate to Lenin indifferently. In Soviet times, he was on the Red Square many times, but he never visited the mausoleum. And now I’m not going to. But, I think it’s not necessary to touch either Lenin or the mausoleum. This is a story. This is a cult. Why then not go further and begin to reform (destroy) the monuments of other cults? Let’s set mosques across Russia, and Orthodox churches in my Bashkiria and neighboring Tataria. We, like, don’t share the views of the supporters of these cults ... And to be honest, I would pour something smelling foul on the monument to Yeltsin in E-burg. But there are those who would sincerely condemn me for this and would also try to bind me to the law.
        Well and more. Learn gentlemen history. And not only according to Radzinsky.

        Here I have such pictures evoke more emotions than the mausoleum on Red Square
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 12 March 2013 12: 59
          +4
          Quote: qwert
          won Nicholas II for a bloody Sunday, for drawing Russia into an unnecessary war

          Nicholas II was not put in the sarcophagus, but shot along with the children. So if you follow your line of revenge, he paid for everything.
          Quote: qwert
          for bringing the country to a revolutionary situation
          It was led by actions such as Lenin, it was they who plunged Russia into the flames of civil war.
          Quote: qwert

          Here I have such pictures cause more emotions
          Regarding the monument to Yolkin, I agree, and note that he has no hands!
        2. Moritz
          Moritz 12 March 2013 14: 55
          0
          it would be better if Tsereteli ordered a monument to Yeltsin
          1. Corsair5912
            Corsair5912 14 March 2013 12: 54
            0
            This is true, no one will carve worse than Tseretelli, and when it comes to the demolition of the monument there will be full national agreement.
    2. Homo
      Homo 12 March 2013 08: 31
      18
      Alexander Romanov, listen to you, so first, in the spirit of socialism, destroy everything that reminds of tsarist Russia, then in the spirit of liberals, destroy everything that reminds of the USSR, and then live happily and long by Ivan Nepomniachtchi, without a clan and tribe?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 March 2013 09: 04
        11 th
        Quote: Homo
        listen to you

        don't listen. pray to the corpse.
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 12 March 2013 09: 20
          16
          Alexander welcome! The attitude to Lenin is twofold. But not about that. Indeed, there is a substitution of concepts about burial and reburial and do not confuse them. If you judge like this, it turns out that the unburied remains of rulers are very variable in Russia (if you know what I mean). The question is different. Namely: a place for him on Red Square or in the dustbin of history?
          Lenin is buried by law. If every 30 years we pick out the corpses of objectionable rulers from the Kremlin wall, from other walls and churches, then soon we will have no walls or churches .... Well, is that the lyrics ... But in general, are there no other problems?
          Best regards hi
          The first picture for whom? How can you read at least something on it.

          PS Here people go to the Kiev Pechersk Lavra ...
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 12 March 2013 09: 40
            +2
            More precisely, the second picture ...
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 March 2013 09: 47
            -6
            Hi Klim! And tell me what will change in the country. If they bury him ?????? Nothing, the Communists made a noise and that’s it.
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 12 March 2013 10: 01
              +8
              So why bury it (the more so it is buried) ???? Well, lies and doesn’t lie ... I’m saying that let's pick out those who don’t like from the Kremlin wall ... But what will change? It’s not the communists who raised the noise but the provocateurs, for they know that the noise will rise ...

              And finally do not care, let them dig it, after 50 years they dig it again ...
            2. vilenich
              vilenich 12 March 2013 13: 58
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And tell me what will change in the country. If they bury him ??????

              Can I ask a question? And what will change if they do not bury?
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 12 March 2013 14: 03
                +3
                Quote: vilenich
                Can I ask a question?

                of course!
                Quote: vilenich
                And what will change if they do not bury?

                It will change, they will stop arguing in Sait about this. Not one patient would ever think of digging it back. The topic will be closed forever !!!
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 12 March 2013 10: 02
          11
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          don't listen. pray to the corpse.

          Nobody prays to him, Sasha. hi
    3. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 12 March 2013 09: 24
      +5
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      cremate .and dust dispel !!

      Do kings also have to be treated? We only history and know how to break?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 March 2013 09: 48
        -8
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        Do kings also have to be treated?

        He compared the King with Judah, well, nothing happens.
        1. Armata
          Armata 12 March 2013 10: 06
          -2
          I read the article. Complete nonsense. Che so this body rested? He is not there, the question is closed. It is simply unrealistic to compare his burials with the Catholic ones; we have a different faith. Who wants to bow to the corpse let them, their problems. Personally, I do not care. I am worried about another question. How much does the guard of honor cost next year in Russia and why is it needed? To protect the corpse? Well then, let's put at each grave.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 12 March 2013 10: 10
            +6
            The mausoleum is closed. In my opinion there is no guard there.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 12 March 2013 10: 43
              +2
              Quote: klimpopov

              Movzole closed

              well, at least something good
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 12 March 2013 10: 45
                0
                Sasha, yes, I do not mind. It's just the first count. Down there, I wrote why all this ...
            2. DeerIvanovich
              DeerIvanovich 12 March 2013 13: 35
              +1
              closed for scheduled maintenance
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 12 March 2013 13: 44
                +1
                Do you think they will open? I doubt it ...
                1. DeerIvanovich
                  DeerIvanovich 12 March 2013 18: 27
                  +1
                  Well, in general, they used to close those jobs before and then again open them, in spite of the opponents' horns.
          2. Cheloveck
            Cheloveck 12 March 2013 13: 21
            +2
            Quote: Mechanic
            It is simply unrealistic to compare his burials with the Catholic ones; we have a different faith. Who wants to bow to the corpse let them, their problems.
            Heh, in relation to burials, Catholics and Orthodox, in fact, are no different, as, indeed, they have the same worship "corpses" relics, at least in whole form, at least in parts.
            Hmm, tear the corpse into a dozen pieces, and then carry them around cities and towns - this is so in the Orthodox!
        2. olegyurjewitch
          olegyurjewitch 12 March 2013 11: 21
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov RU Today, 09: 48 ↑ new
          - -1 +

          Wonderful, how do you know what he had in his head, maybe at that moment he thought that everything was right? We are strange people, then we stand for the truth in history and keeping this story in an undistorted form as a warning to posterity, and not repeating mistakes , then we’ll kick it ourselves as we can. About twenty years ago, you probably had a different opinion, or are you very sensitive to the political situation?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 March 2013 12: 00
            -2
            Quote: olegyurjewitch

            Wonderful, how do you know what he had in his head, maybe at that moment he thought that everything was right?

            Eavalny and Kasparov today also think that they think correctly. there is no excuse for traitors !!!
        3. revnagan
          revnagan 12 March 2013 13: 24
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          He compared the King with Judah, well, nothing happens.

          Well, let's compare the tsar and Lenin. The tsar sold the Russian zemlyatse (Alaska). Let not Nicholas II, but the RUSSIAN KING sold the RUSSIAN LAND !!! Lenin was forced to withdraw Russia from the war and save many lives of Russian soldiers temporarily abandon the Russians territories that were soon returned (with the exception of Finland, which was never originally Russian) .Well, compare? Compare Russia to Nicholas II, ineptly ruined the war of tiny Japan and the Soviet Union under the Communists, planted Yap in 1945 in the Netherlands for ten days leaving the samurai without an army on the continent. Whose use is it? Well, if you have something personal to Lenin and the Communists, this is your problem and you should not pour out the bile publicly. Be objective.
          1. DeerIvanovich
            DeerIvanovich 12 March 2013 13: 39
            +2
            Well, in general, the Korela people were originally with the Russians, it was then that the Swedes seized the moment when the Novgorod land could not provide protection to the Korels in order to capture part of the lands of the Korela. as a result, Finns, Catholicized Koreles, and our present Karelians, Orthodox, who with difficulty but defended, appeared.
          2. stas52
            stas52 12 March 2013 16: 16
            +2
            I will add the Revolution was made in February and it was called BOURGEOISE-DEMOCRATIC. As a result, the Provisional Government was formed, beloved by some, the king abdicated. Later, confusion went and the Bolsheviks picked up power.
            The recognition of the main liberal ideologist of the February Revolution, the minister of the first composition of the Provisional Government P.N. Milyukov, which he made in a narrow circle of like-minded people after his resignation, in May 1917, and then stated in one of the letters shortly after the October Revolution:
            “In response to your questions, as I look at the coup we committed (the February Revolution), I want to say ... what happened, of course, we didn’t want ... We thought that the government would concentrate and remain in the hands of the first cabinet, which we will stop the huge devastation in the army quickly, if not with our own hands, then with the hands of our allies we will achieve victory over Germany, we will pay for the overthrow of the tsar only by a certain delay in this victory. We must admit that some, even from our party, pointed out to us the possibility of what happened later ... Of course, we must admit that moral responsibility lies with us.
            You know that a firm decision to use the war to carry out a coup was made shortly after the start of the war, you also know that our army had to go on the offensive, the results of which would radically stop all hints of discontent and cause an explosion of patriotism in the country and jubilation. You understand now why at the last minute I hesitated to give my consent to the coup, you also understand what my inner state should be like at the present time. History will curse the leaders, the so-called proletarians, but curse us, too, who caused the storm.
            What to do now, you ask. I don’t know, that is, inside we all know that the salvation of Russia is a return to the monarchy, we know that all the events of the last two months clearly prove that the people were not able to accept freedom, that the mass of the population, not participating in rallies and congresses, was set up monarchically, that many, many who vote for the republic, do it out of fear. All this is clear, but we cannot recognize this. Recognition is the collapse of the whole affair, of our whole life, the collapse of the whole worldview that we are representatives of. ”
            1. stas52
              stas52 12 March 2013 21: 11
              +1
              More for lovers of the interim government:
              After the February Revolution, Nicholas II abdicated and was under house arrest in Tsarskoye Selo with his family. As A.F. Kerensky testified, when he, the Minister of Justice of the Provisional Government, only 5 days after abdication rose to the rostrum of the Moscow Council, he was showered with a hail of shouts from the place demanding to execute Nicholas II. He wrote in his memoirs: "The death penalty of Nicholas II and the sending of his family from the Alexander Palace to the Peter and Paul Fortress or Kronstadt - these are the fierce, sometimes frenzied demands of hundreds of all kinds of delegations, deputies and resolutions that were and presented to them to the Provisional Government ..." [13]: 119. In August 1917, Nicholas II and his family were sent to Tobolsk by decision of the Provisional Government.
              And here is the reason for the execution:
              In view of the offensive of the Czechoslovak Corps and the Siberian Army on the Eastern Front, according to the Russian lawyer Yu. A. Zhuk, the Bolsheviks decided to hastily carry out the murder in Yekaterinburg, where the tsar’s family was transferred at that time.
              By the way, mind you, the country is at a crossroads, in a deep w - e, and our "saint" refuses the throne, abandons the country, withdraws itself. In advance to miners, betrayed his own elite units and the Bolsheviks have nothing to do with it.
        4. Odessa
          Odessa 12 March 2013 13: 29
          -2
          Alexander Romanov,
          He compared the King with Judah, well, nothing happens.

          Sun, leave these minusculers, you reason from a position (as the Orthodox Church teaches), those who object to you, from the position of the Communists.
          If anyone is interested, my personal opinion is that there is no place for this dried worm on the Red Square, like every dead person to be buried, in short to bury and end on this. I do not argue that Lenin is history, but nevertheless, the contents of this dead state cost not a pretty penny, and what merits does Lenin have? With him, they destroyed the last Orthodox Tsar with his family and servants, etc. By the way, on Sunday I was in Jerusalem, these are really imperishable relics (Cancer with relics, the holy Princess Elizabeth).
          1. Odessa
            Odessa 12 March 2013 13: 30
            +2
            ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++
        5. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 12 March 2013 17: 14
          +1
          Stalin, Zhukov, Gagarin - the Communists-means followers of Judah? Or Judas too? But Gorbachev said that he always had icons at home. You are now, intentionally or stupidly, trying to insult many honest and worthy people. Remember the popular nickname of Nicholas II and who he had in advisers. The church pushed many away from itself when the priests called it a saint. And the article, something printed it early, April had not even come.
    4. serega52
      serega52 12 March 2013 11: 43
      13 th
      [quote = Alexander Romanov]
      COMPLETELY SOLIDARIZE, burn this mazy !!! And the trolls are minus here, oh how many of them are here!
      1. Ribwort
        Ribwort 12 March 2013 12: 32
        +7
        Quote: serega52
        And the trolls are minus here, oh how many of them are here!

        So after all it is from which side to look ... If you think in such categories, then you can be attributed to the trolls or, for example, to that unpopular group of people who are trying to remake history "for themselves" ...
      2. Atlon
        Atlon 12 March 2013 17: 53
        0
        Quote: serega52
        And the trolls are minus here, oh how many of them are here!

        You are more careful with the conclusions then! am
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 March 2013 17: 56
          0
          Quote: Atlon
          You are more careful with the conclusions then!

          And what he didn’t tell the truth, you yourself put a minus to him and now you are claiming.
          1. Atlon
            Atlon 12 March 2013 22: 50
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And what he didn’t tell the truth, you yourself put a minus to him and now you are claiming.

            Crowned, are you accusing me of trolling ?! belay
    5. Uncle
      Uncle 12 March 2013 12: 52
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      to cremate. and to scatter ashes !!! In the mausoleum, wash everything with chlorine. So that there would be no dirt spirit.
      I am broadcasting your phrase one more time, Lenin is a criminal on a global scale, and it is quite possible that for him non-burial is a punishment for sins. Any person should be buried after death, this is normal, this is God's direction. In ancient times, some people fought with the Jews, killed them, but forbade them to bury them on pain of death, and so a certain Tobit buried bodies and was awarded gratitude from the Lord, his son Tobias was given the archangel Raphael as an escort. And our Russian saints, whose relics stand in churches for worship by believers, were once buried. And Lenin's body is a purely propagandistic act of the revolutionaries, in the struggle with God they tried to win an imaginary victory, to defeat death in its external manifestation, in corruption and decay. In addition, in the image of Christians who keep next to them particles of saints, that is, those close to God, revolutionaries keep their "saint" close to the devil. It is believed that he will help them ... He could help himself ...
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 12 March 2013 13: 02
        +4
        And that the church has never dealt with politics? What are you releasing all the dogs on Lenin? Or have the history of the revolution been forgotten? So read again. Where, how and when did Lenin take power ... Or did they forget the October revolution? Or a temporary government? And so on and so forth and so on ...
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 12 March 2013 14: 40
        +3
        Quote: Uncle
        And the body of Lenin is a purely propaganda act of revolutionaries, in the struggle with God they tried to win an imaginary victory,

        Dima, you probably won’t argue that everything in the world happens either by the will of God or by God's obedience. The supposition of God is also the will not to show one’s strength. Hence, it follows that the appearance of such a figure as Lenin is God's plan. And the fact that they don’t touch him means that God wants it. Or do you think that God knows nothing and is powerless? And also who has the right to decide who is close to God, who is not? Do you know his plans?
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 12 March 2013 15: 40
          0
          Quote: baltika-18
          everything in the world happens either by the will of God or by God's permission.

          Right.
          Quote: baltika-18
          the appearance of such a figure as Lenin is God's plan.
          I agree.

          Quote: baltika-18
          And also who has the right to decide who is close to God, who is not?

          He himself shows who is sweet to him. Such pleasures to God are called saints, one way to show that a person’s life was charitable is incorrupt relics. For example, Alexander Svirsky, a saint of the 14th century, relics are warm and smell of needles. The Apostle Luke, the ear into which the angel dictated the gospel to him, is alive and warm. On Lenin they wanted to show that he was incorrupt, only they made a semblance of this by the forces of science, first freezers, and then embalming solution. Parody of incorruption.
    6. Vladimir65
      Vladimir65 31 July 2013 11: 20
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      to cremate. and to scatter ashes !!! In the mausoleum, wash everything with chlorine. So that there would be no dirt spirit.

      Ah, you dust. The most suitable chemical.
  4. urchik
    urchik 12 March 2013 08: 07
    0
    Alexander Romanov,
    Not so smart.
  5. urchik
    urchik 12 March 2013 08: 09
    10
    Alexander Romanov, cremate. and dust dispel !!! In the mausoleum, wash everything with chlorine. So that there would be no dirt spirit ....
    Stupidly Alexander ,, ROMANOV ,,!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 March 2013 09: 05
      11 th
      Quote: urchik
      Stupidly Alexander ,, ROMANOV ,,!

      Some go to the Church to the living God, while others go to the mausoleum to the rotten corpse, so which of us is not smart?
      1. Atlon
        Atlon 12 March 2013 09: 19
        16
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        and others in the mausoleum to the rotten corpse, so which of us is not smart?

        First: "Do not judge, that you will not be judged!"
        And secondly: The relics of the saints, you also call "rotten corpses" ?! I'm not trying to draw parallels between the atheist Lenin and, for example, Seraphim of Sarov, I just don't understand your non-Christian rejection. Lenin was buried, according to all the canons of Orthodoxy. And the mausoleum is just a monument on the grave of a great man.
        You know, in our city cemetery, in the dashing 90s, they also built a couple of "mausoleums". Maybe smaller than in Moscow, but compared to other graves, it is quite inspiring. Local gangsters lie there. And there is a door, you can go inside, into the crypt ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 March 2013 09: 52
          -9
          Quote: Atlon

          First: "Do not judge, that you will not be judged!"

          In other words, bury?
          Quote: Atlon
          And secondly: The relics of the saints, you also call "ROTTED corpses" ?!

          This is Lenin, then a saint, wherever you are incurred. We found a pancake, the offal of a corrupt compare with the relics fool
          Quote: Atlon
          I just do not understand your non-Christian rejection

          I answer: according to Christian canons, the body must be interred !!!
          Quote: Atlon
          Lenin is buried, according to all the canons of Orthodoxy

          Well, nonsense
          Quote: Atlon
          You know, in our city cemetery, in the dashing 90s, a couple of "mausoleums" were also built

          The bandits built mausoleums, well, so Lenin is also not a holy idol. Here in the crypt to your bandits you will not be bored.
          1. consul
            consul 12 March 2013 10: 19
            11 th
            Well, firstly, Lenin is not a Christian, and therefore he did not deserve a Christian burial.
            Secondly, if they compare the remains of Lenin with the Christian relics of saints (!), Then what kind of religion is this communist religion (?), Leninist (?) That honors and worship are given, because religious worship is performed on saints.
            Thirdly, "Answering the question of Rossiyskaya Gazeta, how much does it cost to maintain the Mausoleum, which is on the balance sheet of the Federal Security Service, Kozhin noted that the costs of maintaining the temperature regime, security and medical measures amount to several tens of millions of rubles a year." this taxpayer money, i.e. me and you. I, for example, do not want to pay for the maintenance of this hater, child and simply murderers. Let his fans pay, while giving the remains to them in their hands, and raze the mausoleum to the ground.
            1. Uncle
              Uncle 12 March 2013 13: 12
              0
              Quote: consul
              Well, firstly, Lenin is not a Christian, and therefore he did not deserve a Christian burial.
              He was baptized, but rebelled against God, along with the Jewish ministers of Satan.
          2. olegyurjewitch
            olegyurjewitch 12 March 2013 11: 28
            +6
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Online
            Alexander Romanov RU Today, 09: 52 ↑ new
            - -3 +

            "The dead have no shame." This is what our ancestors said.
          3. Oboz
            Oboz 12 March 2013 11: 52
            -4
            They are carried around the world and applied.
            1. Oboz
              Oboz 12 March 2013 12: 13
              -3
              "venal giblets"
          4. Atlon
            Atlon 12 March 2013 18: 00
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            In other words, bury?

            In other words, it's not for us to decide!

            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            This is Lenin, then a saint, wherever you are incurred. We found a pancake, the offal of a corrupt compare with the relics

            No need to get out of context! My comparison is only that Lenin IS TRADED TO THE EARTH (crypt, also a grave!), And Seraphim of Sarov (and many others) are NOT TRAINED TO THE EARTH! Without comparing them in holiness / sinfulness, compare only according to the principle: buried / not buried.

            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I answer: according to Christian canons, the body must be interred !!!

            I repeat for the tankers: LENIN'S BODY, DONE to the ground !!!

            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, nonsense

            This is never an argument!

            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            The bandits built mausoleums, well, so Lenin is also not a holy idol. Here in the crypt to your bandits you will not be bored.

            The bandits are not mine, first of all. Secondly, all the inveterate priests, all lie under the crosses, and are buried according to church canons. However, the "mausoleums" stand.
        2. Uncle
          Uncle 12 March 2013 13: 10
          +1
          Quote: Atlon
          Lenin is buried, according to all the canons of Orthodoxy.

          How come! With what fright will the leader of the world proletariat, who uprooted the Christian Faith, be buried according to Christian custom? Pray to God, against whom he rebelled, for the repose of his soul?
          Quote: Atlon
          A mausoleum, just a monument on the grave
          Where does it fit into the monuments during the 1st May demonstration or parade?
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 12 March 2013 13: 17
            +7
            Well, the French honor their revolution ... The British, too ... Although they slashed the crown of their king ... But we do not care ... We first bow to our story and then trample it into the mud ... Well done ...
            1. Uncle
              Uncle 12 March 2013 13: 45
              +2
              Quote: klimpopov
              Well, the French honor their revolution ...
              They are now hawking the consequences of their revolution and democracy, so the French are not a decree for us.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 12 March 2013 13: 55
                +9
                These are just examples of how you relate to your story. But Lenin uprooted the autocracy and Orthodoxy as its support ... Why? And do you think one Lenin and a dozen of his comrades traveled around the country themselves and demolished churches with hammers? Yes, no, dear man, first of all, the people were ready for this, as you are now ready to throw the hammer on the same mausoleum as a symbol of the USSR. See the parallels? Funny right?
                1. Uncle
                  Uncle 12 March 2013 14: 13
                  -1
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  how ready you are now to throw the hammer on the same mausoleum as a symbol of the USSR. See the parallels?

                  I do not see. smile The communists actually destroyed the churches, and we are only talking about reburial.
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 12 March 2013 14: 34
                    +2
                    Well, according to your words, the only communist activity was the destruction of churches. Anyway. The fact is that this is now "the most pressing problem" ... That's what I mean. And the people zealously begin to discuss this every time ... But there are no other problems ...
                    1. Uncle
                      Uncle 12 March 2013 15: 45
                      0
                      Quote: klimpopov
                      Well, in your words, the communists only engaged in the destruction of churches

                      There were "forty forty" churches in Moscow; after the revolution, no more than a hundred remained. And in St. Petersburg there were not even 50, this is seen as the cause of the Red Terror and the hunger blockade.
          2. Kaa
            Kaa 12 March 2013 15: 02
            +2
            Quote: Uncle
            With what fright will the leader of the world proletariat, who uprooted the Christian Faith, be buried according to Christian custom?

            He has long appeared before God's Court, not about him, and not about the communists. Speech about provocateurs who act by the same methods as those who in 1918 erected monuments to "the first revolutionary - Judas Iscariot" in Russia, their heirs did not calm down: "" In the gallery Marat Gelman a wonderful, perhaps the most unusual event in the history of the exhibition happened. Occurred “Myrrh-streaming” paintings by Pussy riot. If you believe the organizers of the exhibition, from the moment the picture was opened, they began to become covered with droplets of an unknown substance, from which a delicate aroma emanated.
            However, before the arrival of our film crew, instead of a fragrance, we came across an intolerable stench, which allowed us to stay indoors no more than a minute. We took impressions of people on the street, thirty meters from the entrance to the Gelman Gallery, as this was the minimum comfortable distance to be there.
            Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov commented on the Russian View portal The situation in the center of contemporary art:
            “When Lenin's mausoleum was still wooden, a sewer pipe burst in it, and the room was filled with sewage ... The news of the“ miracle ”reached Patriarch Tikhon, to which he responded briefly and expressively: according to relics and fir trees. And here it just draws a thread into our past ", - drew a historical parallel about. Dmitry. 04.10.2012/00/24 - 113933:XNUMX http://www.segodnia.ru/content/XNUMX
            1. Uncle
              Uncle 12 March 2013 15: 42
              -1
              Quote: Kaa
              When Lenin's mausoleum was still wooden, a sewer pipe burst in it, and the room was filled with sewage ... The news of the “miracle” reached Patriarch Tikhon, to which he responded briefly and expressively: according to relics and fir trees.

              Thank you, bro, oh pleased.
            2. Corsair5912
              Corsair5912 14 March 2013 12: 45
              0
              The mausoleum was never wooden and sewer pipes were never close there. A fool without her brains endlessly repeats this idiotic fiction.
      2. olegyurjewitch
        olegyurjewitch 12 March 2013 11: 24
        0
        It turns out that the relics that were buried in the Kiev Pechora Lavra are also rotten corpses?
      3. Oboz
        Oboz 12 March 2013 12: 19
        -1
        HAVE A LONG TIME?
      4. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 12 March 2013 13: 41
        -5
        Shitty you understand religion.
        They go to church to worship the Living Dead, hanging on the gallows, a ghoul, not a god.
        Priests brazenly stole from the Slavs the sacred Life-giving Cross, meaning Sunlight, and equated it with the infamous Roman gallows.
    2. Oboz
      Oboz 12 March 2013 11: 51
      -1
      Moreover - as an infant!
      IT IS INFANT AND LANDING POSTS.
  6. Earthman
    Earthman 12 March 2013 08: 19
    -6
    as there is an expression: until they bury Lenin, the spirit of revolutionism will forever follow Russia
    1. Atlon
      Atlon 12 March 2013 09: 05
      12
      Quote: Earthman
      as there is an expression:

      The first time I hear ... Have you come up with?

      Quote: Earthman
      until they bury Lenin

      Lenin is buried. You did not know ?!

      Quote: Earthman
      then the spirit of revolutionism

      There is no word in Russian: "revolutionism"

      Quote: Earthman
      will forever pursue Russia

      etc.Еfollow, to be precise ...
    2. Ribwort
      Ribwort 12 March 2013 09: 39
      +7
      Quote: Earthman
      as there is an expression: until they bury Lenin, the spirit of revolutionism will forever follow Russia

      Well, yes ... Prerequisites for revolutions are created by contemporaries, and Lenin is to blame. And if you solve this issue, then who will you appoint the culprits? Let him lie, not up to him ...
    3. Uncle
      Uncle 12 March 2013 13: 13
      -1
      Quote: Earthman
      until they bury Lenin, the spirit of revolutionism will forever follow Russia

      Exactly, the devil will not calm down in any way ...
      1. Ribwort
        Ribwort 12 March 2013 13: 32
        +1
        Quote: Uncle
        Exactly, the devil will not calm down in any way ...

        Yah? So many temples have been built in recent years, except that there is no one at the North Pole, and priests divorced censers ... Look, even the students on the line on September 1 are blessed (I saw it myself). And you say ... Now the devil will definitely not be too good! lol
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 12 March 2013 13: 46
          +2
          Quote: Ribwort
          unless at the north pole
          There are in Antarctica.
        2. klimpopov
          klimpopov 12 March 2013 13: 47
          +4
          There are always extremes in Russia. Or we will demolish all the temples. Or we’ll configure so much .... There’s an airborne temple in the army ...
          1. Uncle
            Uncle 12 March 2013 14: 17
            -1
            Quote: klimpopov
            There are always extremes in Russia. Or we will demolish all the temples. Or we will configure so much ...

            This is not an extreme, the Temple is a sanctified place, and the more there are, the better.
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 12 March 2013 14: 39
              +4
              Well, at the central entrance of a large chemical enterprise, it’s sort of brute force and four (!) Crosses along the enterprise’s pyramid, the people’s associations are not very good, there isn’t enough churchyard ... By the way, the communists built a chemical plant (and the communists also built the city) Orthodox believing democrats are squeezing the last juices out of it and it’s not that they don’t give money for modernization, they don’t support it. As a result, there will be one consecrated place, a wasteland with a chapel and a factory will be put into scrap metal for a maximum of years through 7 ... You don’t understand, I am not against churches and temples ... I am against pretense and lies and the like ... Who built this chapel ( is this just an example)? Former commies that parties swore allegiance ... How so? Have ripened? I do not believe ... But here I have to admit that I am going beyond the scope of the topic ...
              1. Uncle
                Uncle 12 March 2013 15: 46
                +2
                Quote: klimpopov
                I am against pretense and lies and the like ..
                I understand you, I think the same way you do.
            2. Jokervx
              Jokervx 17 March 2013 15: 35
              0
              Faith is not in temples, crosses and icons, but in the heart. Faith is replaced by symbols and rites. I do not see the connection between faith and what is happening. All the time they are trying to change the situation, but not themselves. Humility and non-condemnation have always been symbols of faith. No need to blame one, the church, religion and faith. Churchmen today as Bolsheviks, the approaches are the same.
  7. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 12 March 2013 08: 23
    21
    You might think that there are no other problems in Russia, it’s only the only and urgent one, to remove the remains of Lenin, someone thinks that if they bury them, people will stop thinking about social justice, about what it takes to fight for their rights.
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 12 March 2013 09: 24
      13
      Well, here I am about the same. Now we’ll bury Lenin somewhere and immediately happiness will come ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 March 2013 09: 53
        0
        Quote: klimpopov
        Now we’ll bury Lenin somewhere and happiness will come right away

        And if we don’t bury what Klim, looking at our country and what is happening in it, it’s better to bury, it won’t become worse
        1. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 12 March 2013 10: 04
          15
          If we bury anyone so, those who established the power of money in the country, those who systematically destroy the concepts of honor and decency.
        2. klimpopov
          klimpopov 12 March 2013 10: 06
          +2
          Unsubscribed above ...
    2. pav-pon1972
      pav-pon1972 12 March 2013 10: 55
      10
      You might think that there are no other problems in Russia, it’s only the only and urgent one, to remove the remains of Lenin, someone thinks that if they bury them, people will stop thinking about social justice, about what it takes to fight for their rights.

      I agree, this is the history of our state ... But history should be treated with respect, whatever it may be. let it lie
    3. Uncle
      Uncle 12 March 2013 13: 16
      0
      Quote: vladsolo56
      that's just the only and urgent, to remove the remains of Lenin,
      You underestimate the meaning of symbols, and Lenin and other devil minions perfectly understood the importance of the mark of the Orthodox Cross and actively fought with it, tearing down crosses from churches.
      1. DeerIvanovich
        DeerIvanovich 12 March 2013 13: 52
        -1
        the cross is a symbol of Orthodoxy, not ROC faith
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 12 March 2013 14: 19
          -1
          Quote: DeerIvanovich
          the cross is a symbol of Orthodoxy, not ROC faith
          The cross is a symbol of Christ's suffering by which death is conquered. By which eternal life is revealed to us. If you believe in Christ, of course.
          1. DeerIvanovich
            DeerIvanovich 12 March 2013 17: 26
            0
            and you answer me that the primary rationality of judgments or faith in them?
            I believe in the universe, I believe: that no matter how a person sticks out, in one way or another, he does not become higher above the law of the universe. and the law says life - this is the harmony of two opposites in all its aspects. that's why you have the right to choose: to think and believe or to believe and not think!
            as for Christ - I follow his own commandments, do not make yourself an idol! I consciously make a decision, since I have been given the right to choose, and do not rely on the opinion of respected husbands and even more so books, so as not to think.

            Nevertheless, the cross as a symbol was previously found among the Slavs even before Christianization.

            By the way, to Christianity: I have nothing against people like the monk from the movie "The Island", but the current patriarch will not lead to anything good if he bothers to make speeches, which he made this Saturday on Channel One - he said: Under Elizvaet Petrovna, the Russians occupied Könnigsberg, then again repeated the word "occupied" and this, instead of saying, returned the primordial Russian lands.
            What can a reasonable person draw from this, only one thing: the flock is being prepared for the quick surrender of Kaliningrad ... but not thinking, but the believer will say a mistake to the priest, anything can happen. but I will not say, they make speeches consciously and the assumption of such mistakes can only be consciously!
  8. Romch
    Romch 12 March 2013 08: 26
    +2
    Until a generational change occurs, Lenin will be in the mausoleum. IMHO
    1. Goga
      Goga 12 March 2013 09: 02
      -7
      RomCH - Colleague, but the generation has nothing to do with it, I was born in 1954 and I am firmly convinced that this Zionist mercenary simply has no place in the center of the capital of Russia - and that's certainly what this shot had nothing to do with, it was social justice - a puppet hired through Parvus to destroy our country - it is no coincidence that Stalin then had to get rid of all these Judeo-Bolsheviks, Leninists in the most cruel way. So you can agree to the point that out of respect for history and Humpback, as the successor of Lenin's cause of the collapse of the country, it is simply necessary to "put to rest" on Red Square. bully
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 12 March 2013 13: 20
        -2
        Quote: Gogh
        and I am firmly convinced that this Zionist mercenary simply does not have a place in the center of the capital of Russia
        Lenin himself did not reckon with the concept of "our history". Once he was going to work in the Kremlin and saw a memorial cross erected in honor of some event and wondered why it had not yet been demolished. The cross, of course, was demolished.
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 12 March 2013 13: 38
          +2
          in honor of some event

          You even read before writing ... Shame ...
          This memorial cross was erected in the Moscow Kremlin consecrated on April 2 1908 on the site of the murder of Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich .... Do you understand why it was demolished?
          The memory of autocracy was eradicated as a regime hated by the people (and do not cling to words) ... For then the monuments to Alexander II, General Skobelev and so on were demolished ...
          That's why it is necessary to leave the monuments ... And do not demolish them every time ... Think one-sidedly ...

          By the way, Banshe recently wrote about his trip to Spain and his attitude there to monuments and history ... He wrote very well. We should learn from the Spaniards about their history this way. Monuments there are not demolished ... They do not forget history ...
          1. Uncle
            Uncle 12 March 2013 13: 48
            +4
            Quote: klimpopov
            You even read before writing ..
            Well, you have recalled, refreshed, and in your memory, thank God!
  9. Atlon
    Atlon 12 March 2013 09: 03
    13
    Lenin, our story. Good or bad, but ours. and the mausoleum, among other things, is also a scientific experiment. And the longer it lasts, the more valuable the experiment. In general, I think that it is not for us to solve this issue, but for our descendants after 300 years, not earlier. When passions on Lenin finally settle down. After all, no one now demands to anathematize Ivan the Terrible? Because passions subsided, although the figure was not unambiguous.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 March 2013 09: 07
      13 th
      Quote: Atlon
      And the longer it lasts, the more valuable the experiment.

      Pavel. Yes, what kind of experiment. Mummies in Egypt lie in the experiment. Let Zyuganov be taken home. He will be happy.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 12 March 2013 10: 06
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Pavel. Yes, what kind of experiment. Mummies in Egypt lie in the experiment. Let Zyuganov be taken home. That will be glad

        Sasha tired of minus you, tie up bullshit to talk.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 March 2013 10: 45
          -4
          Quote: baltika-18
          Sasha tired of minus you, tie up bullshit to talk.

          Ha, Nikolay, do you think I will stay in debt, let it not get tired armfinger press to cons laughing
        2. Oboz
          Oboz 12 March 2013 11: 55
          -4
          He always says it! IMHO. SOME TIMES AND TALKS.
          Power spoils PEOPLE!
  10. Bort radist
    Bort radist 12 March 2013 09: 07
    +3
    Quote "Lenin's embalmed body rests in a coffin-sarcophagus at a depth of three meters underground, which fully complies with the provisions of the Federal Law" On Burial and Funeral Business "dated 12.01.1996/XNUMX/XNUMX"
    IN AND. Lenin died in 1924. And here the Federal Law of 1996. If we are to talk about whether the ceremony was performed according to the rules of its time or not, according to the laws of its time, its own worldview or not? How did he plan to bury the workers and peasants? In religion, he saw a competitor in the struggle for "indignant reason", "religion is opium for the people." Once again we see that those who show the way to peoples, create laws, are terribly far from life, from the rules they create and carefully monitor that ordinary mortals observe them (the right to burial, the right to arms, the right to a decent life, traffic rules). , latently feel that by burying Ilyich, they will bury the desire of many to rank themselves among the caste "above people." And let it lie for me. I will go to my father and brother, to my grandfathers and remember everything in solitude. Humanly.
  11. DYMITRY
    DYMITRY 12 March 2013 09: 25
    16
    Despite the fact that I have a rather negative attitude towards Lenin (exactly like that, for a very ambiguous figure), I think that it is not worth touching. Enough to ruin the monuments! How much can you destroy your own story. And how not to relate to Lenin, he is part of our history.
    The only monument that needs to be dismantled is a monument to Yeltsin. So as not to dishonor and not spoil my hometown !!! And since the alcoholic is also part of our history, the monument should not be destroyed, but transferred to the place of burial.
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 12 March 2013 13: 23
      +1
      Quote: DYMITRY
      the monument should not be destroyed, but transferred to the place of burial.

      Here, bury in the cemetery, as befits every person.
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 12 March 2013 15: 11
        +3
        Quote: Uncle
        as befits every man.

        The key word is HUMAN. And let it lie so ... a historical artifact. But OUR artifact is for us to remember this.
  12. erased
    erased 12 March 2013 09: 26
    +9
    Right. Symbols of an era, symbols of hope of millions of people cannot be discarded. And attempts to replay the story have been made for so long that they become boring. The mongrel barks, the caravan goes ...
  13. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 12 March 2013 10: 03
    -8
    I always knew that the communists are terrible sadiugs. "Buried according to the Christian rite," well, well ... In a closed sarcophagus, on consecrated ground, the burial of a Christian is according to the rite. Imperishable relics according to a vow - also, if not according to a rite, then according to Christian custom.
    Embalming an atheist under the "Internationale", followed by placing him, the unfortunate, in a window ... that's the custom! The rite of course ... the ritual, that is, and the holiness in it, as it were ... in general, this is not a saint ritual, but quite the opposite. Undoubtedly, Lenin is a terrible person and brought Russia countless suffering. But do not let him rest in peace, continue to mock the dead already ... there is no limit to the sadism of some people.
    Pirogov is sorry, in the pursuit of scientific atheism, such a person was given a terrible posthumous death, moreover, seven times seven times by fools, out of gratitude !!
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 12 March 2013 13: 28
      0
      Quote: Mikhail3
      Undoubtedly Lenin is a terrible man and has brought countless suffering to Russia. But not to let him rest in peace, to continue to mock the dead already ... there is no limit to the sadism of some people.

      Here's an interesting replay of thought. Exactly, let his soul calm down! Did he just deserve peace or eternal torment?
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 12 March 2013 18: 40
        +3
        Quote: Uncle
        Did he just deserve peace or eternal torment?

        Paradoxically ... but let it lie where it lies. This brings together both his supporters and opponents. I will explain. Supporters - have the opportunity (theoretically) to contemplate it. Opponents - should think a little about symbolism: the body is not interred, before the leaders of the CPSU about his grave, it turns out, they wiped their feet, taking parades. And to whom in general such a blasphemous idea came to mind, dance on the bones, you still need to search the archive. Well, I repeat - as you can’t erase a word from a song, this period and this personality, with all the minuses and pluses from history, will not be erased. Moreover, the structure itself - the Mausoleum - is already a symbol of an era that you need to remember and know EVERYTHING, and not selected pages. And the soul of a body not devoted to the earth ... this is a completely different field of knowledge.
    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 14 March 2013 13: 13
      0
      Lenin did not bring Russia any suffering, the revolution in Russia began without any participation on January 9, 1905.
      All of Russia was shocked by the shooting of unarmed people. Since that day, Romanov has not been saved.
      Lenin prevented the death and suffering of Russia by directing the destructive negative energy of the revolution towards a creative goal, the construction of a new, classless society.
  14. dmb
    dmb 12 March 2013 10: 12
    11
    Well, what is incomprehensible here. The gentlemen who periodically raise this topic are least of all concerned about the Orthodox canon. Moreover, for the most part, if they profess any religion, it is rather Jewish. However, commentators who scream in unison about "cosmopolitans" and periodically waving banners, nevertheless, in their attitude to Lenin, close with these same ..., damn it, cosmopolitans. This is not the case with Lenin's attitude to Orthodoxy and the Russian people. Shawks, like Mr. Fedotov and others like him, are thus trying to erase from our memory Lenin's ideas, which, given the wisdom of the current government, are more and more attractive to young people. It is for this reason that the authorities arrange carnivals on the main square of the country. And not at all because there are no other areas for this in Moscow. By the way, if the idea of ​​reburial is realized, for the reasons given, then everyone should be reburied. In this case, to transport the ashes of comrade. Stalin, I propose to delegate a number of comrades from the site, whose nicknames are known to everyone.
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 12 March 2013 10: 26
      12
      So what is Stalin to touch then? He is buried as expected. Everyone knows Stalin’s attitude to the church ... I just didn’t understand your idea a bit
      1. dmb
        dmb 12 March 2013 11: 52
        +5
        Well then, let's point by point: 1. With regard to the "non-Orthodox" burial, the article clearly says everything. 2. Is it necessary to quote from Lenin, testifying to his demands, to respect the feelings of believers? (The fact that he himself was an atheist does not say anything.) 3. In addition to Lenin and Stalin, more than 150 people are buried at the Wall and in it. Some of them were atheists, others were Orthodox, Muslims and Jews. Are we leaving them? And what about songs and dances, as well as a skating rink? Double standards, my friend, are not unique to liberals.
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 12 March 2013 12: 38
          +4
          So I say the same thing. In my opinion, I clearly described the position in my posts ...
          1. dmb
            dmb 12 March 2013 15: 51
            +2
            I apologize, I read your comment in the dialogue with Egoza later.
        2. Uncle
          Uncle 12 March 2013 13: 34
          +2
          Quote: dmb
          But what about the songs and dances, as well as the skating rink?

          Red Square is located not only in front of the mausoleum, but also between the two Temples, to arrange a concert in front of the Temple is sacrilege.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 12 March 2013 14: 01
            +2
            So there is also a frontal place ... This layering of cultures and eras is called ...
            1. Uncle
              Uncle 12 March 2013 14: 21
              -1
              Quote: klimpopov
              So there’s a frontal place ...
              As I understand it, the frontal place is an analogue of the tribune; no round dances were conducted around it.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 12 March 2013 15: 03
                0
                About the "tribune" is true ..
                1. klimpopov
                  klimpopov 12 March 2013 15: 08
                  0

                  The frontal place is located in Moscow on Red Square. This is a monument of ancient Russian architecture, which is a stone platform elevation, on the top fenced with a parapet with carved cast-iron gates.

                  The etymology of the name of the Execution Ground is not precisely clear. According to one version, the place got this name because executions took place here (they cut their heads, folded their foreheads), there is an assumption that this is a Slavic translation from the Greek "Kraniev place", or "Golgotha" - from Hebrew, because it resembled a human skull. But the most widespread and generally accepted point of view is that the Execution Ground is the beginning of Vasilievsky Spusk. In the old days, such steep slopes to the river were called "foreheads" in Russia.

                  The exact date of construction of the Forefront is unknown. An ancient legend says that the Forefront was built in honor of the liberation of Moscow from the Tatar invasion in the 1521 year. Based on some old documents, for some time, scientists assumed that it appeared in Moscow in the 1540 years. In particular, there is a manuscript with a speech by the young Tsar Ivan the Terrible, which he allegedly delivered from the Place of Forehead in 1549, trying to reconcile the warring boyars. But later studies have revealed that this document is most likely drawn up in the 17 century, and is more likely a political pamphlet, not a historical fact. Since the author of the pamphlet is unknown, and it is also unknown on what sources his composition is based, the very fact of this event is called into question. These doubts are reinforced by the fact that not a single document of the 16 century mentions of Frontal Place.

                  The very first reliable mention of the Execution Ground on Red Square is contained in the Piskarevsky Chronicler, it dates back to 1599. Since then, the Execution Grounds are often found in various documents. For example, in the "Petrovsky drawing", which appeared at the beginning of the reign of Boris Godunov (1598-1599), there is a description of this structure, there is a similar mention on the Sigismund plan of the city (1610). Therefore, the end of the 16th century is considered to be the time of foundation of the Execution Ground.

                  It is known that after Boris Godunov came to power at the end of the 16 century, he did not spare funds for the improvement of Moscow. At this time, many new buildings were being erected, as well as the restoration of old buildings and dilapidated protective structures. It was then that on Red Square by unknown masters the Place of Forehead was established. Initially, the structure was a brick platform with a wooden grate and a canopy mounted on poles, and was located opposite the Frolovsky (Spassky) gate.

                  For a hundred years, the Forefront was the main tribune of Moscow. State decrees were announced from him, and from here the kings spoke to the people. The relics of revered Orthodox saints were often exhibited on the Forehead Place for public viewing. So, in the 1652 year, one could see the relics of Metropolitan Philip brought from the Solovetsky Monastery for reburial in Moscow. Before the October Revolution of 1917, Religious passages always stopped near the Frontal Place, and from its elevation the bishop overshadowed the crowd with a sign of the Cross. On the feast of the Entry into Jerusalem, the patriarch with the clergy rose to the podium, distributed the consecrated pussy-willow branches to the tsar and other high-ranking officials, and from there left on a donkey. From the notes of the Polish ambassadors (1671) it is possible to learn that the tsar rose to this place twice a year and showed the people his heir up to the attainment of those 16 years.
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 12 March 2013 15: 09
                    0

                    For a long time it was believed that executions were carried out at the Execution Ground in Moscow. It is known that in the Middle Ages in Moscow, executions were carried out mainly on the current Bolotnaya embankment in Zamoskvorechye (the so-called Swamp). Only in rare exceptional cases, punishment of criminals or unwanted people was carried out on Red Square. It is not known for certain in which part of the square the scaffolds were erected, but it is highly doubtful whether they legally allowed to execute people in the Execution Ground. An insufficient amount of information accompanies even such an event as the execution of Stepan Razin, which gave rise to a legend, which has taken root in the scientific community, that the executions were carried out precisely on the round platform of the Execution Ground. Only later, in the second half of the 17th century, Red Square became a legalized venue for public executions. In 1685, a royal decree was issued stating that the punishment for commercial crimes should be meted "for the Spassky gates in China in the square opposite the rows." The first executions took place here during the Streletsky riot, and even then the scaffold was installed next to the Execution site. Beside him threw out an angry people and the corpse of False Dmitry I. It should be noted that in Moscow in those years only the most important churches and palaces of especially noble persons were built from stone. Since the Execution Ground has never been made of wood, this indicates its special significance. It was intended for the stay of the king himself, and could not be dishonored by execution, which would be equated to the desecration of the shrine.

                    After the capital was moved from Moscow to St. Petersburg, the frontal place lost its role in the life of both the city and the state. In 1753, by decree of the Senate, the dilapidated Frontal Place was restored under the leadership of Moscow Chief Architect D.V. Ukhtomsky. The next restoration, or rather, the reconstruction of the Execution Ground, was carried out in the 1786 year, when the commander-in-chief of Moscow, Y.A. Bruce provided Empress Catherine II with a landscaping project for Moscow squares. The frontal place was rebuilt by the architect Matvey Kazakov according to the old plan of white ashlar. The round platform in its new form had stone railings, and on the western side an iron grate with a door was installed, and a staircase with 11 steps was built to lift it. During this perestroika, the Lobnoye spot was shifted slightly east of the original location.

                    In the 1919 year, 1 in May on a stone pedestal of Frontal Place a monument was erected to Stepan Razin, made of wood. This monument did not stand for long, and was soon dismantled. In August 1968, a sit-down demonstration was held near the Frontal Place on Red Square in support of the independence of the Czechoslovak Republic. Today, the Execution Ground is part of the Red Square complex, and among tourists there is a tradition of throwing coins at it in order to return here again.
                    1. klimpopov
                      klimpopov 12 March 2013 15: 14
                      +1
                      So the mausoleum is the same component of the red square. In general, Kaa correctly said ...
                      As for my attitude to the Mausoleum - whatever a person does, firstly, this is our common history and we ... we do not need to be like the Poles, for example, who took the body of B. Khmelnitsky out of the crypt, hung, then burned, " multinational "Trotskyists who destroyed the relics of the saints ... Secondly, the Mausoleum itself is already a symbol of the parades of November 1941 and June 1945, April 1961, May 1985 (bad memory). This is part of our history, tragic and sublime, but it must be one, without any exceptions ... otherwise we will be mankurt ...
        3. Atlon
          Atlon 12 March 2013 17: 48
          +1
          Quote: dmb
          But what about the songs and dances, as well as the skating rink?

          Deny definitely! Red Square is a sacred place. What, no other places?
  15. vezunchik
    vezunchik 12 March 2013 10: 22
    +7
    This is our story that the west is trying to destroy. In the world there is no one that would destroy history in such a way, and we, like the Ivano-fools, that they cheat and do it ... WE ourselves are guilty of finding ourselves in such shit!
  16. Nickanor
    Nickanor 12 March 2013 10: 23
    +7
    They like to destroy monuments in our country. Don’t feed bread, let’s just smash something. IMHO from there all the problems begin. Someone blows up the church, someone is in the way of the mausoleum, in the next branch they go even further - Eternal lights offer to put out.
    And all the problems will end only when the people and the authorities begin to respect and value their history. Devastation in the heads, not in closets (s)
  17. Egoza
    Egoza 12 March 2013 10: 32
    11
    Quote: dmb
    if the idea of ​​reburial is realized, for the reasons given, then everyone needs to be reburied.

    Absolutely right! This is what they lead to! Lenin is a symbol of the SOCIALIST revolution. Removing it is like burying the memory of the USSR. And those who are eager to do this do not disdain anything! Now even all sorts of horror stories "scientifically substantiate", fortunately the people rushed into mysticism. Try to Google the word "Ziggurat" - you will find so many articles on this topic. And what's in them? Example:
    "We assume that the mausoleum is nothing more than a sample of psychotronic weapons" http://tainy.net/12607-zikkurat-v-centre-moskvy.html
    In what turns out to be the followers of Lenin (including I.V. Stalin, among others) ruled the people! Hence the people's faith in the socialist system. Remove the mausoleum, and after it everyone who is buried near the wall (But there are heroes of the Second World War, cosmonauts, and other heroes of the USSR). And extinguish the fire!
    This is the plan that the opponents of the USSR are going to carry out amid "good cries" about the reburial. Destroy the memory of him, After all, it is worth taking the first step, and after him will roll.
    Therefore, any proposals for a reburial should be resolutely rejected. .
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 12 March 2013 10: 39
      12
      I agree! It's not about Lenin. Start with it. Then pick the wall. The eternal flame and the unknown soldier is a secret missile silo in fact .... And the eternal flame burns so much gas "just like that" .... And then Gagarin will turn out to be not the first to fly into space, but some kind of Yankee, and in general Gagarin was not in space, it was the communists who filmed everything at Lenfilm ...
  18. radar75
    radar75 12 March 2013 10: 43
    +1
    The mausoleum and Lenin in it are symbols. Symbols of the era and symbols of ideology. You just need to decide on your attitude to ideology, then the issue with the mausoleum will be decided by itself.
    1. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 12 March 2013 11: 36
      -1
      Quote: radar75
      You just have to decide on your attitude to ideology,

      Decide how to update the old, or create a new one? recourse
  19. valokordin
    valokordin 12 March 2013 11: 04
    +8
    Well, someone is so impatient to bury Lenin. Although I would never have been in the mausoleum, oh I think it would be blasphemy over the memory of the immediate ancestors, over history. Nothing needs to be changed. The ideal of liberals and white-collar workers is to bury L Lenin in the Vagankovskoye cemetery or burn, pull out a monument to Stalin and burn the remains in the crematorium, remove the Kremlin stars and the glass on traffic lights, reconstruct the mausoleum for the dance and opera stage. All names of streets and squares to them. Rename Lenin in the name of Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Yegor Gaidar, Chubais, Abramovich, Deripaska, V. Putin, Medvedev, Novodvorskaya, Alekseeva, Serdyukov and N. Makarov (not to be confused with the admiral
    1. Black
      Black 12 March 2013 14: 50
      +1
      Quote: valokordin
      Although I would never in the mausoleum


      So I, even in childhood, one of the group did not go, refused.
      It’s not good to look at a mortal body; he needs to rest. This is bad, disgusting.
  20. bistrov.
    bistrov. 12 March 2013 11: 19
    +7
    And who does he interfere with? To the Democratic gentlemen who plundered and sold the whole country? Lenin is a symbol of the USSR! It is not for nothing that nationalists in Ukraine are trying to destroy monuments to Lenin, to destroy and discredit everything Soviet. Taking a seat around Lenin's mausoleum is one of the "measures" to discredit everything Soviet, in which there was a lot of progressive, reliable and good things. Let it lie!
  21. krasin
    krasin 12 March 2013 11: 37
    +6
    A lot of + and- set up. Here wound up !! ?? Let it lie, -You have nothing to do!
    I’ll begin to raise such a thing, it’s necessary to be a great man! History, and you will not cross out anything, only interpretations can be changed.
  22. Nayhas
    Nayhas 12 March 2013 11: 48
    -8
    It’s dangerous to touch Lenin, you can get infected with syphilis! A source of infection in the heart of the country, maybe because of this, everything is so bad?
    PS: gentlemen, comrade communists, who now all of a sudden have become Orthodox patriots, do you really like the syphilitic Blank / Ulyanov / Lenin who so hated Russia, so fond of executions, who sent millions of people into the next world (Stalin nervously smokes a pipe aside)?
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 12 March 2013 13: 40
      0
      Quote: Nayhas
      It’s dangerous to touch Lenin, you can get infected with syphilis!

      smile
    2. Atlon
      Atlon 12 March 2013 17: 49
      0
      Quote: Nayhas
      It’s dangerous to touch Lenin, you can get infected with syphilis!

      About syphilis, this is a myth ...
  23. serega52
    serega52 12 March 2013 11: 53
    +1
    The author of the article is a liberal miscarriage, Lenin is a Western worm, now he is not up to it, V. Putin, PUTIN will first carry out nationalization, it is necessary to deal with the Central Bank and close the cash desk serving the United States. And then we turn to the whole PEOPLE to burn the worm and let its spirit fly in the west.
    1. Oboz
      Oboz 12 March 2013 12: 05
      0
      OKSTIS. MOSCOW INCLUDE.
    2. Ribwort
      Ribwort 12 March 2013 12: 36
      0
      Quote: serega52
      Putin will first nationalize

      Excuse me, what will Putin do? belay belay belay
      Not ... Not otherwise a typo. what
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 12 March 2013 12: 46
        +5
        Once again he was going to carry out privatization. And how nationalization was rushing ...
        1. DYMITRY
          DYMITRY 12 March 2013 14: 13
          +2
          Quote: Ribwort
          Excuse me, what will Putin do?


          Quote: klimpopov

          Once again he was going to carry out privatization. And how nationalization was rushing ...

          We are talking about the nationalization of the Central Bank, which Putin has already tried once. In the year 2004. How then all the fuckers on their ears stood at the head of Uncle Zu !!! We’re not letting people shout, the whole thought was filled with saliva !!! Even half of Edinoros shouted in unison with them! At every rally, Uncle ZYu yells about nationalization, the guardian of the people, but as it came to real steps, he was so opposed to shit! All whom the State Department bought in the bud stood up. And why? Yes, for one simple reason - the nationalization of the ruble through the nationalization of the Central Bank is the final restoration of Russia's sovereignty. After which you can shit the whole world from the highest bell tower.
          You can continue to get angry further, but Putin is the only one who has taken real steps in this regard.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 12 March 2013 15: 17
            0
            Bring the matter to the end and fulfill what he promised, I agree to the second mausoleum on the Red Square ...
  24. stolbovsn
    stolbovsn 12 March 2013 11: 56
    +6
    The great man who created the USSR deserves to lie where the Congress of Soviets decided, where people who fought with him for Socialism and the great future of their children decided.
    Even Grand Duke Alexander
    http://oko-planet.su/politik/politiklist/171367-velikiy-knyaz-aleksandr-mihaylov
    ich-bolsheviki-kak-impercy.html
    recognized the truth of him and the Bolsheviks.
  25. rodevaan
    rodevaan 12 March 2013 12: 19
    +6
    Leave you alone Mausoleum! What and to whom does it interfere? Like many Russians, he does not bother me at all to live and work. Moreover - it is firmly and unshakably inscribed in the ensemble of Red Square. It interferes with - The real enemies of the people - the afflicted degenerate crap, who for food and 30 pieces of silver are ready to completely ruin and plunder the country that gave these freaks a start in life, education, free medicine and much more.

    The mausoleum now - yes, is no longer the personification of a bright communist future and is not a symbol of the proletarians of all countries. But this is first of all now - our History! The history of our Fatherland, which must be honored and remembered, for a people who do not respect and do not remember their history, is not a people, but a poor and stupid flock of rams eating hamburgers. The mausoleum is now a historical symbol of the Great Epoch of a mighty country, which will never appear on the maps of the world, and which has made a tremendous contribution to world history! And we need to remember this period - for we had something to be proud of!
    The Bolsheviks in their time made a terrible mistake, which we categorically must not repeat - they demolished ancient temples and cathedrals, the Great monuments of ancient Russian architecture. They wanted to decapitate our history, erase the centuries-old foundations of Russian statehood, one of the pillars of which was Russian Orthodoxy! The result of these barbaric and completely meaningless wild acts of vandalism was the loss of priceless monuments of architecture and national heritage, left to us by our great ancestors! Now sit and bite your elbows.
    We - the descendants in no case should not repeat these mistakes of our ancestors. It is necessary to honor and keep history as it was, especially since the USSR was a great and powerful country that kept the whole world on a short leash!

    The mausoleum is now a monument of architecture, (by the way from quite rare and expensive materials), which embodies the monumental architectural style of the 30s. He is the personification of that great era of our country. It is firmly inscribed in the ensemble and interior of Red Square, which in all this diversity is the visiting card of our country, which is recognized around the world. It is hard to imagine the Moscow Kremlin, St. Basil’s Cathedral and Red Square without the Mausoleum. We must honor our history and our past, gentlemen!

    I am categorically against the transfer of the Mausoleum and I hope that our current and subsequent leadership will have the brains and the mind not to dance on bones and not to fight with our history. Moreover, the 20th century for our country was the most terrible and most heroic for the entire existence of the Russian State and to erase all its coups and achievements from the memory of the people will never succeed and no struggle with the mausoleums.

    I think most of my compatriots will support me!
  26. Jokervx
    Jokervx 12 March 2013 12: 21
    +6
    Gentlemen or comrades, as you please. Only a person who has done something similar in scale can judge where Vladimir Ulyanov is resting. Are you among them? All the rest should be content only with contemplation of his affairs and attempts to compare with him. Remember: throwing dirt at Ulyanov, you may be washed or not dirt, but your hands will definitely be dirty.
    1. Vladimir_61
      Vladimir_61 12 March 2013 12: 31
      +5
      Quote: JokerVX
      Gentlemen or comrades, as you please. Only a person who has done something similar in scale can judge where Vladimir Ulyanov is resting. Are you among them? All the rest should be content only with contemplation of his affairs and attempts to compare with him. Remember: throwing dirt at Ulyanov, you may be washed or not dirt, but your hands will definitely be dirty.

      Exactly. First worship, then reproach. And all with the filing of neoliberals, which they themselves do not tolerate. There are a lot of lies around Lenin, and all because he was a threat to the rotten world of profit and slavery. The fruits of the revolution were used mainly by people unworthy, which became clear after several decades. The mud in Stalin causes outrage among many, but for some reason it has become habitual to blaspheme Lenin. Where is the logic? It's time to understand: people who cause hatred among neoliberals are not appreciated for their contribution to the history of Russia. And you can falsify everything - have learned over the centuries. By the way, many writers do not wave the olive branch at all, and if such expressed thoughts were realized, the planet would become a scorched desert filled with mountains of corpses. The main thing is in consciousness, since it is a trigger for external actions.
      1. Andrey11
        Andrey11 7 January 2016 17: 56
        -1
        But the peasants on collective farms and the prisoners in concentration camps - this type is not slavery?
  27. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 12 March 2013 13: 55
    +2
    "...And Klie hears a terrible voice
    Beyond these terrible walls "
    A.S. Pushkin "Liberty"


    The angry fools are freaking out
    Always ready to crush and break,
    They can’t build something with their hands,
    And nothing can be created.

    They create idols and gods for themselves
    And overthrow them when troubles come,
    They don’t appreciate the Works, do not understand the Words,
    No less than their grandfathers.

    And in a century of stone likeness of the gods
    Their ancestor beat, the hunt failed,
    The descendant of the world is ready to crush the whole,
    Someone must answer for the fact that he is a fool.

    Their grandfathers crushed crosses and domes,
    And Lenin in the Mausoleum interferes with them,
    All their breed is stupid and evil,
    For thousands of centuries, they have not become smarter.

    It’s not a monument for nods,
    Not for prayers, for memory erected,
    Not holiness, but history
    When will this fools befall?
  28. Black
    Black 12 March 2013 14: 44
    0
    Lenin is a punishment to the people of Russia for the loss of holiness. Where there is no God, Something necessarily appears in different forms.
    To bury him now is to cause unnecessary disagreements in society (he and the dead society are tearing to pieces!). Let it lie for now. To the joy of Freemasonry.
    1. Vladimir_61
      Vladimir_61 12 March 2013 15: 03
      +1
      Quote: Chen
      Lenin is a punishment to the people of Russia for the loss of holiness. Where there is no God, Something necessarily appears in different forms.
      To bury him now is to cause unnecessary disagreements in society (he and the dead society are tearing to pieces!). Let it lie for now. To the joy of Freemasonry.
      Reply Citir

      It's not the same for everybody. If you want to be precise, look for other sources about Freemasonry. There were and are black and White lodges and the former succeeded in discrediting the work of the latter. Initially, the movement of Freemasonry was building, constructive, leading to a just building of society. Those who are now commonly called neoliberals (that is, the Jesuits, etc.) have adopted the principles of Freemasonry, symbolism, etc., distorting the concept of the common good. This struggle has been going on for many millennia. In principle, a phenomenon cannot exist without its antipode: good and evil, love and hate, light and darkness. "He who has ears to hear, let him hear"!
      1. Black
        Black 12 March 2013 21: 49
        0
        Quote: Vladimir_61
        If you want to be precise, look for other sources about Freemasonry. There were and are black and white lodges

        Freemasonry, whether black or white, played nowhere and never a creative role. The construction, creation that you are talking about was.
        Only here the Freemasons are building a world state with a single government, which is indicated in the Gospel as "the kingdom of Antichrist."
        1. Vladimir_61
          Vladimir_61 28 March 2013 22: 57
          0
          Quote: Chen
          Freemasonry, whether black or white, played nowhere and never a creative role. The construction, creation that you are talking about was.
          Only here the Freemasons are building a world state with a single government, which is indicated in the Gospel as "the kingdom of Antichrist."

          The answer is delayed, because I don't always subscribe to news - frequent notifications are distracting. You are not fully aware of what Freemasonry was in the distant past. This is because one of the means of stupefying the masses of people is the same media. It is impossible to fully answer such a serious topic within the framework of the comments. Links will not help either, why I do not give them, with rare exceptions, because in order to understand it, you need to read voluminous books covering centuries of world history. And to be a little "out of this world"), in the sense of admitting that humanity does not develop by itself, not isolated, because, as he wrote in one of the comments, nothing on Earth can exist without repeating in miniature the laws of the Cosmos, as a drop of the ocean repeats all its properties.
  29. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 12 March 2013 15: 27
    -3
    Burn the corpse of Lenin, and shoot in the direction of Germany with its ashes. Mausoleum to demolish. Too many corpses brought Vladimir Ilyich to Russian soil.
  30. washi
    washi 12 March 2013 15: 29
    +1
    Lenin was buried in accordance with the Slavic culture. Conducting parades and demonstrations is quite consistent with it. It showed the ancestors what we achieved. This is even reflected in the verses by A. Gaidar about Malchish - the Cybalces.
    Steamboats are sailing - hello to the Boy!
    Pilots fly by - hello to the Boy!
    Steam engines run - hello to the Boy!
    And the pioneers will pass - salute to the Boy!
    It is a pity that the children and grandchildren did not go to A. Gaidar. He walked and overdid the establishment of Soviet power in Siberia, but in his works he preached precisely Stalinist socialism and died in the war.
    But the concerts? Moreover, those who humiliate those who rest at the Kremlin wall are humiliation.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 12 March 2013 19: 04
      0
      The boy has such a Slavic surname, Kibalchish ...
    2. Andrey11
      Andrey11 7 January 2016 17: 53
      +1
      Is it customary in the Slavic culture to mummify the bodies of the pharaohs in the mausoleums?
  31. Balalaikin
    Balalaikin 12 March 2013 15: 35
    0
    «as it comes around, it will respond"Says a proverb ...
    Lenin at one time discredited the monarchy, destroyed all the monuments to the kings, destroyed the churches and desecrated the relics of saints ... but from the 10th to the 17th century Russia lived by the Orthodox faith, had great princes and later tsars ... there were also traitors and among princes and kings - but this did not give a reason to destroy existing values ​​in those days, just as bad presidents (Yeltsin, Yushchenko, ...) did not give us the right to destroy everything and return to the monarchy ... Lenin turned everything upside down on his head ... now he responds to him - the monuments are being destroyed, the question constantly arises of his burial, reburial ...
    Another thing is what those who advocate his burial want to get from this - if the goal is a complete withdrawal from communist ideology and the revival of Orthodox values ​​that would unite the entire state with a new Orthodox ideology, then this should be done. And if the goal is to overshadow the power of the USSR and impose new liberal values ​​such as homosexual, juvenile, etc., then this cannot be done ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 12 March 2013 23: 28
      0
      Quote: Balalaikin
      destroyed all the monuments to the kings

      Wrong! Monuments that had artistic value were preserved. The same monument to Peter = 1, Prince Yu. Dolgoroky ....
      1. Andrey11
        Andrey11 8 January 2016 14: 47
        0
        The Cathedral of Christ the Savior means did not have artistic value, but did you have a mausoleum?
    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 14 March 2013 12: 25
      +1
      The monarchy was discredited by the Romanovs, not Lenin, but Nikolashka the Bloody - Verevkin ordered to shoot at the people on January 9, 1905.
      Monuments overthrew the people, no one asked Lenin, the ringleaders of the crowd themselves knew what to do, without Lenin.
      You would think that Lenin was omnipotent and could and controlled every scumbag.
      For three hundred years of Romanov serfdom, priests, nobles, merchants, and kulaks owed so much to the people that they could not pay with anything other than skins.
      Think Lenin defend the parasitic classes and he would be pulled up.
      Without Lenin, everything would have ended in intervention, the mass executions of peasants, the division and enslavement of Russia by foreigners.
  32. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 12 March 2013 15: 41
    0
    Funny, Ilyich and Uncle Borya are so alike, both the great powers collapsed, thanks to both of them the rivers of blood poured, thanks to both of them the army looked like homeless people and was defeated by smaller opponents, both eliminated their main opponents to why Lenin has a mausoleum and why EBN He’s not there? They’d put a huge bottle of vodka, where Borya would swim in alcohol.
    1. DYMITRY
      DYMITRY 12 March 2013 19: 14
      0
      Quote: Krasnoyarets
      They would put a huge bottle of vodka where Borya would swim in alcohol.

      He would have died correctly, like Ilyich, in the year 95-96, no later than, certainly would have put
    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 14 March 2013 12: 10
      +1
      Lenin and Benya have nothing in common.
      Lenin laid the foundation for turning the impoverished illiterate Russia without energy, machine-tool industry, etc. to the Great Industrial Power.
      Benya destroyed this power and laid the foundation for its transformation into a backward illiterate raw materials appendage of the West.
  33. Dmitriy1969
    Dmitriy1969 12 March 2013 15: 59
    +2
    Lenin should be buried in the cemetery. The Red (Special) Square is the heart of our Motherland. The mummy is not powerful. There is nothing to compare the remains of God's man with the mummy of the Godless fighter. And the results of their activities vary. And the temple should function in the heart of our Motherland. Then the vector of Russia's development will be in the future, and if the Babylonian mausoleum, then we turn into a museum, as in general, and the dying Europe. This is their development vector. St. Basil’s Church does not work, it is a museum, but the mausoleum works. So, in essence, we are atheists, but in the form of type Orthodox. And here this policy of double standards is inherent in all biblical civilization. We need to get rid of it. Take the best of both Christianity and socialism, a synthesis of the mystical and sacred plus the socialist idea of ​​denying the exploitation of man by man. Even if Ilyich’s hands are crossed, according to the Orthodox rite, and you’re looking and working as a ziggurat It’s time, it’s time to turn this page around. I think the renaissance of Trotskyist fascism is possible only in the west. And our elite is waiting for us to get drunk on usury. capitalism and ask back in the USSR. They mimic it. They don’t know how to manage, they just argue who is more legitimate. The last author of the poem, he himself didn’t decide or was he told that he is smart? Just laughter, such pathos ...
  34. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 12 March 2013 20: 17
    +1
    I read all the posts and fucked up! People who constantly communicate with each other normally support each other here have come in earnest and are ready to blame anyone who thinks otherwise negative Now imagine what will begin in the country if this really happens? We have nothing to do now? The question needs to be resolved unconditionally, but not in the coming years, when we just started to get out of the pit. The optimal moment is the 2024th centenary of the death. Then return to this topic but already for a final decision that will not be subject to review
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 12 March 2013 23: 33
      +1
      Perhaps in Russia the mausoleum is already tired and that's why there are such thoughts - to rebury, close ... but here’s absolutely latest news from Ukraine
      "On March 12, a significant event took place in the city of Akhtyrka - a monument to the leader of the world proletariat, the outstanding thinker of mankind, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, was restored on the main square.
      The monument was destroyed twice - for the first time by the Nazis during the Great Patriotic War and the nationalists from the Freedom Party on February 15 2013. These actions of the visiting destroyers were condemned by the Akhtyrkites, for each of them the destroyed monument was something special: for some it was a symbol of youth, for someone it was a symbol of communist ideology, for others it was a symbol of the struggle for justice, someone identified the monument with the symbol of the city.
      The Akhtyr City Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine, which began raising funds for the restoration of the monument, thanks to every indifferent resident of the city of Akhtyrka and Sumy region, as well as the communists of the Chernihiv region, who also contributed to the restoration monument. The fundraising work will continue, as the city committee plans to improve the area near the monument, making it a resting place for Akhtyr residents. "
      xxxxx
      For us, Lenin and his monuments are still a symbol of the struggle for justice, history, and the USSR. Please note how quickly this monument was restored! But really, the residents themselves collected money, and were not allocated from the budget. This is again a symbol of the struggle against the Nazis !!!!
      And you say "Lenin should be reburied"!
      1. Andrey11
        Andrey11 7 January 2016 17: 48
        0
        And that Lenin fought against fascism?
  35. Egoza
    Egoza 13 March 2013 00: 09
    +2
    Well, or else
    On 10 of March, an anti-communist march took place in Zhytomyr, the participants of which intended to destroy the monument to Lenin in the city center.
    However, supporters of the Communist Party, as well as police officers who separated the protesters and prevented clashes, prevented anti-communists from destroying the monument.
    Near the monument to Ilyich, more than a hundred people gathered with red flags and Soviet symbols. They made speeches and appeals, and music sounded against the background, reports 20minut.ua.
    Several dozen young people gathered nearby: with their banners, they headed for the central square of Zhytomyr.
    At the same time, they shouted “Lenin is a murderer, Lenin is death, Lenin is over!”, “Our house is not for khat!”, “Glory to the nation is death to enemies!”
    Participants in the anti-communist march gathered their supporters through social networks and invited MPs to come to the city and help destroy the monument to Lenin.
    http://news2000.com.ua/news/sobytija/v-ukraine/225747
    xxxxxxx
    And why are these slogans of our nationalist fascists so similar to those who demand the reburial of V.I. Lenin? Why are its monuments striving to destroy? Think about it !!!!
  36. Vladimir65
    Vladimir65 31 July 2013 11: 34
    0
    I read the comments on the article and was amazed. How many illiterate dropouts in our country. On the other hand, what to expect from the modern education system? Soon, fairy-tale devils will be considered real figures. The mausoleum and V.I. Lenin must be, otherwise the country will disintegrate and disappear.
    1. Andrey11
      Andrey11 7 January 2016 17: 46
      0
      Well, yes it is the old corpse in the mausoleum that saves the country from collapse. So the Americans will come to Moscow, see the corpse of Lenin and immediately run away.
  37. Andrey11
    Andrey11 7 January 2016 17: 40
    +1
    It seemed obvious to everyone that Lenin was buried. As the founder of the Russian Federation and the USSR Vladimir Ilyich Lenin was buried with the highest state honors on January 27, 1924.

    You can not read further. The author of the article, Lenin, is the founder of the Russian Federation (apparently resurrected after 67 years and founded the Russian Federation).
  38. viach
    viach April 25 2017 22: 01
    0
    Firstly, the article is written with malice towards United Russia, which does not honor the author. Secondly, reburial does not detract from the merits of a great man and, thirdly, for a cemetery, even the great and famous, Red Square is not the best place! All this ambitious bustle of the “defenders”, ultimately, is precisely the bustle of ambitious individuals, and not the natural course of life.