Not quite lords - our friends and our enemies. They are all from the Kresy Poles

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Not quite lords - our friends and our enemies. They are all from the Kresy Poles


No one is master, no one is lost


It is hard to say whether many Poles today are itching to get involved in a fight between Russians and Ukrainians, where in reality there can be no national hatred, since something completely different is at stake. Russia is one of the most multinational countries in the world, and although many consider this a heavy legacy of the empire – Russian or Soviet, it doesn’t matter – the benefits of this far outweigh the harm.



Moreover, in all respects, even if the "outsiders" assimilate in the country without any desire to do so, striving to preserve national traditions. Nevertheless, many do not create special diasporas, becoming not only Russians, but also Russians both in culture and in their way of life, albeit not 100%. They have the right.

This is especially felt among the Slavs, who can endure such a "transformation" much easier - they have too much in common. Opening a short series of articles about the phenomenon of people from neighboring countries in Russia, we will first touch on the Poles, seemingly eternal enemies of Russia, who, however, cannot actually do without it.

Later we will remember not only the people from Lithuania and Belarus who consider themselves Poles but who raise doubts about their real origin. We believe that in the pro-Russian context it will be obligatory to mention the most famous examples of political, military, state, and cultural figures from this specific sub-ethnic category.

Let us recall only some of the enemies, but more of the friends, although sometimes they turned into enemies. None of them were essentially lords, although almost every Pole is ready to consider himself as such. Do not look for detailed biographies here - everything is extremely brief, there are enough details on the Internet without us, everything is only in connection with Russia.

Perhaps, for experts, at least something will be a revelation. And for the reader who is not well versed in the subject, much in the Polish question, to which, as before, Russia does not have a clear answer, will become a little clearer.

Jozef Pilsudski



Born in the wealthy estate of Zułow in what is now Lithuania, Zułow never belonged to any of the hereditary gentry of Crown Poland, its owners were either local gentry with Belarusian surnames or Russian merchants and military figures.

Pilsudski's roots are from the ancient family of military leaders of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, the Ginetovichs; judging by the family name, the founders were of Baltic, and possibly Yatvingian origin, but later became Slavicized. His mother was from a Vilnius noble family and bore the family name Bilevich.

Neither of his parents had ancestors in Poland, all their roots were from the territory of the modern Belarusian-Lithuanian borderland. In his youth, Pilsudski, who was regularly detained by the secret police for political activity in Kharkov, St. Petersburg and Vilno, wrote in questionnaires as Belarusian.

Then the future dictator abruptly changed his identification, not only did he clearly consider himself a Pole, but in the post of “chief of Poland,” which he invented for himself, he unleashed such national oppression in the “shoal kresy” that in historical In the memory of Belarusians, Ukrainians and Lithuanians, he will forever remain almost like the devil.

It was under him that only one Belarusian school remained in Western Belarus, the rest were liquidated, for speaking Belarusian at school, students were beaten on the hands with a ruler, Orthodox churches were closed en masse, in the Bialystok region, where Uniatism was preserved, the same was done with the Uniates.

Well, “Military Review” has already written about the concentration camp in Bereza-Kartuzskaya — Birch Kartuzskaya: a forgotten history.

Kastus Kalinovsky



The leader of the 1863 uprising, called the "Rebellion" and started by the not yet extinct gentry in the territory of modern Western Belarus and Lithuanian Vilnius region. In Russian historiography, for a number of political reasons, he is considered a Pole, in Polish historiography as well.

But the Lithuanians generally called him Kostas Kalinauskas on the monument, in modern Belarusian, as well as in Soviet, - a Belarusian, he is considered a fighter for the rights of oppressed peasants. The distant roots of this historically controversial figure, especially in Russia, come from Polish Mazovia.

Despite this, arguments can be found in favor of Kalinowski’s not entirely, to put it mildly, Polish origin, and they are compelling ones.

First, the in the “Description of the 1863 Rebellion in the Western Provinces” compiled on the orders of Governor-General Count N. M. Muravyov artillery General Vasily Ratch called Kalinovsky a "Litvin." In the terminology of the time, this meant a Western Belarusian.

Second, the Kalinovsky not only spoke Belarusian fluently, but also wrote, appealing specifically to the peasant class. "Pan Kastus" viewed the peasants in much the same way as Marxists viewed the proletariat - as a support in the implementation of his plans for a predominantly peasant uprising in the North-West region with a national bias.

Felix Dzerzhinsky



Probably the most famous "Kresy Pole" in Russia and other post-Soviet countries and a representative of the petty and poor "prison gentry". Perhaps he had the right to consider himself a lord, but he did not use it.

There is no need to explain what Felix Edmundovich became famous for. Dzerzhinsky's personality is ambiguous, and giving any assessments of his activities is just adding fuel to the fire.

The future head of the Cheka, the forerunner of all Soviet special services, was born in the Dzerzhinovo manor, now the Stolbtsy district. The surname and family coat of arms of the noble Dzerzhinskys are, after all, Polish, but they were forced by poverty to move from "crown Poland" to the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.

As a result, they, having become completely impoverished, dissolved among the local gentry behind the scenes – that is, not quite lords, or not lords at all. But Iron Felix changed his nationality in the questionnaires at least four times: introducing himself to the tsarist secret police as a Belarusian, then as a Pole, and finally, being in the leading roles in the Russian revolution and Lenin's Council of People's Commissars, he remained a Pole in the documents until his untimely death.

It is significant that Dzerzhinsky's older sister Aldona registered as Belarusian all her life, which did not prevent her from leaving for Poland, which was then under the control of the USSR, after the Great Patriotic War for reasons that are not entirely clear. Yes, her homeland, but only supposedly...

Konstantin Rokossovsky



Highly respected by veterans, Konstantin Konstantinovich went down in history as a marshal of the armies of two countries: the USSR and Poland. At the same time, he was also an officer in the tsarist army, fighting for the Russian Empire and the USSR.

Rokossovsky's origins are from the prison gentry. On his father's side, however, his origins are partly Polish, but only partly. His mother is a Belarusian from Telekhany, today's Ivatsevichi district of the Brest region.

At different times, the Red commander indicated different places of his birth: first Telekhany, then Warsaw, then Velikiye Luki in the Pskov region. And what is completely unbecoming of a Pole, he was baptized in Orthodoxy, since according to the laws of the Russian Empire, a child from an Orthodox mother was supposed to be baptized only according to the Orthodox rite.

Otherwise, he would have been considered illegitimate, and it probably would not have occurred to the communist Rokossovsky to re-baptize himself. And in fanatically Catholic Poland, where he arrived to command the army after the war, this was treated normally, since the communist authorities imposed atheism on the population.
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  1. 0
    25 October 2024 04: 42
    Moreover, in all respects, even if the “outsiders” assimilate into the country without any desire to do so, striving to preserve national traditions

    You've touched on a dangerous topic...I categorically disagree with you.
  2. +15
    25 October 2024 06: 31
    Oddly enough, we Russians have a similar mentality to the Poles. Russian arrogance is not inferior to the Polish one. Despite the ostentatious "friendliness" of Duda with Zelensky, dictated by political expediency and pressure from Washington, the Poles in general do not accept Ukrainian nationalism in any form, and anti-Semitism in Poland has not gone away. So in Russia the ideology of Grushevsky and the like, together with Banderaism, is not accepted. In fact, a considerable number of Poles were oriented towards Russia. Józef Tausch was the name of a Polish diplomat who was at the court of Peter I. Colonel Tausch enjoyed the trust of the Russian monarch and his retinue. Let us recall at least Pavel Yaguzhinsky, who began his career as a tsar's orderly and ended up as an adjutant general, who received from Peter I an island on the Yauza River near the German Quarter in Moscow in perpetual possession. Patriotic War of 1812, Polish generals: Field Marshal M. Kamensky, General M. Kakhovsky, Lieutenant General I. Przybyshevsky, General of the Cavalry A. Ozharovsky, General. from the cavalry N. Raevsky. Polish generals and officers who remained faithful to the oath they gave to the Russian Emperor during the uprisings. In 1841, a monument was solemnly opened in Warsaw in honor of the fallen Polish officers who did not break their oath of allegiance to the Russian sovereign: Count Stanislav Potocki, Generals Jozef Nowicki, Thomas Sementkovsky, Stanislav Trebitsky, Ignacy Blumer, Maurice Hauke ​​and Colonel Philip Mechiszewski. By order of Nicholas I, the inscription on the monument read: "To the Poles who died in 1830. for loyalty to their Monarch." Also, we should not forget the famous traveler Nikolai Mikhailovich Przhevalsky. There is not enough space to list all the Poles who served the R. I., as well as those who collaborated with the USSR. So why such antagonism between the two countries? And did not the Catholic Church make the main contribution to the discord between the peoples? As Karol Józef Wojtyła, the future John Paul II, used to say - The German will take the body of the Pole, and the Russian the soul Isn't that the point?
    1. +2
      25 October 2024 07: 44
      Your comment is good, but I don't agree with its ending, that the Russians will take someone's soul. No! It's just that some have already answered for Sevastopol, others will still have to answer for Susanin. Or did these latter already answer when Catherine the Great made a chair over her chamber pot from the throne of the Polish king?
      1. +2
        25 October 2024 08: 01
        others will still have to answer for Susanin.
        and what was there, that's the question 7
        and consider the foxes to be Poles too...
        When did Catherine the Great make a chair over her chamber pot from the throne of the Polish king?
        female revenge of the great German woman, as a response of the Russians hmm...
      2. 0
        25 October 2024 08: 44
        When did Catherine the Great make a chair over her chamber pot from the throne of the Polish king?


        It would be better if Catherine first and foremost cared about the standard of living of the titular nation in the Empire.
      3. +5
        25 October 2024 13: 29
        Quote: north 2
        I just don't agree with the ending, that the Russians will take someone's soul

        What did Wojtyla understand by the soul? Before the Union of Lublin in 1569, the Russian nobility of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania was Orthodox The Catholic Church could not afford this, persecution of the Orthodox began and ended with the Brest Union, which led to the emergence of the Russian Uniate Church on the territory of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. It was the Roman Catholic Church that inspired all anti-Russian uprisings.
        "The Catholic clergy has never before declared its criminal actions so boldly and lawlessly as it does now: calls for rebellion are heard from the heights of church pulpits; speeches imbued with the spirit of hatred and destruction are heard from the vaults of Catholic shrines, and even some frenzied preachers themselves take up arms, join gangs of rebels and lead some of them. The higher clergy, possessing the main and most reliable means of pacifying the region - a call, in the name of God, for order and legal duty, deliberately inactive, thus condoning bloody unrest and disorder"
        This is what M.N. Muravyov, Governor-General of the North-West Territory, said. Then they restored order. The reason for closing Catholic churches and chapels was not only the above-mentioned accusations of state crimes and illegal proselytism, but also the mass conversions of Catholics to Orthodoxy that occurred in 1864-1868, partly voluntarily, partly using administrative resources. If the entire parish converted, sometimes even with the priest-rector, or most of it, then the church was closed and transferred to the jurisdiction of the Orthodox Church. Sometimes the initiative to close churches came from parishioners newly converted to Orthodoxy. The results were impressive. According to estimates, 1864 churches, monasteries and chapels were closed in five provinces of the North-West Territory from 1 to June 1869, 377. This is what Wojtyla meant.
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    3. -2
      25 October 2024 21: 56
      Yeah, and they still continue to hate Russians! One Pole is a perfectly sane person. But if there are two of them, you can send them away and go do the job without them.
  3. +10
    25 October 2024 06: 56
    Another Russophobic Pole has been forgotten - Adam Nikolaevich Mickiewicz.
    He was also born in Belarus on the farm Zaosie near Novogrudok (Grodno region), and belonged to the Lithuanian noble family of Mickiewicz-Rymvids.
    In addition to his literary work of an anti-Russian nature, he had a great influence on the development of Polish, Lithuanian, Belarusian and Ukrainian literature of the 19th century and is considered the main creator of the standard Polish language (like Pushkin in Russia).
    In the autumn of 1855 he left for Constantinople, intending to organize a New Polish and Jewish Legion to help the French and English in their fight against Russia. Having contracted cholera, he died on November 26.
    1. +9
      25 October 2024 10: 10
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      Another Russophobic Pole has been forgotten - Adam Nikolaevich Mickiewicz.

      Hee hee hee... I remember the epic battle of the early 90s between politicians and intellectuals of Lithuania and Poland for the right to consider Mickiewicz their national writer. Both sides almost came to blows to prove that Mickiewicz was theirs.
      And then the forester came Belarus casually asked - whose Grodno? laughing
      1. +1
        27 October 2024 15: 27
        Not quite so in the part about the forester. Zmagarye considers Mickiewicz the most vile "Belarusian" (he is spinning in his grave from such humiliation). But in general it is interesting to study the boorish psychology on the same works of Mickiewicz. The damned Russians did not allow the boy Fedka to be stabbed during the attack, who after that became friends with the potential murderer and flew to Bonoparte together with him.
    2. +6
      25 October 2024 10: 13
      Victor, the list can be continued indefinitely - Tadeusz Kosciuszko, Stanislav Lem, Henryk Sienkiewicz
  4. +8
    25 October 2024 07: 14
    I would like to add something to the article.
    Pilsudski's ancestors were from the Gineytovich family, and Pilsudski's father received the surname Pilsudski from the name of the place where he was born - Pilsud. Pilsudski studied with Dzerzhinsky in the same Russian gymnasium in Vilnius. All the hypocrisy of today's Lithuania is reflected in the inclusion of such personalities as Pilsudski, Kastus Kalinowski, Zygmunt Sierakowski, Emilia Plater, the Radziwills, Tyszkiewicz counts, etc. in the list of "great Lithuanians". Pilsudski did not speak with Lithuanians even in Lithuanian, considered himself exclusively a Pole, and bequeathed his heart to be buried in Vilnius exclusively because Vilnius for him was the city of his youth, where virtually only Poles lived, i.e. he considered Vilnius a Polish city. This is what the Poles did after Pilsudski's death. Pilsudski's body was buried in the Wawel Castle in Krakow, and his heart in the cemetery in Vilnius.
    Kalinovsky and Sierakovsky were Lithuanians who did not speak a word of Lithuanian. No one remembered them in Lithuania before the Soviet regime. But since they
    participated in the uprising against the Tsar, then the Soviet government raised them from oblivion, and the Lithuanians then immediately “appointed” them Lithuanians, although they were Lithuanians, i.e. Belarusians.
    In his poem "The Death of a Colonel", Adam Mickiewicz calls Emilia Plater nothing less than "a Lithuanian", but in today's Lithuania she is already a Lithuanian heroine.
    I will not write further, for example, about the "Lithuanian" counts Tyszkiewicz, the current example for the current Lithuanians in current Lithuania, from whom the current Lithuanian nobles should take an example, although these Tyszkiewicz did not speak a word in Lithuanian, but the Lithuanian serfs bent their backs to them and were beaten with a whip for the slightest offense. ...
    1. +1
      25 October 2024 21: 59
      A Lithuanian and a Lithuanian are two different people. And Slava KPSS is not a person at all!
  5. +6
    25 October 2024 08: 21
    And what is completely unbecoming of a Pole, he was baptized into Orthodoxy.
    My great-grandfather and great-grandmother, Vilnius Poles, also baptized in Orthodoxy, and all their descendants, consider themselves Russian.
    1. +1
      25 October 2024 10: 15
      Hmm...I feel like they are preparing us for the fact that they will start measuring our skulls for Russianness laughing
      1. +4
        25 October 2024 16: 20
        Quote: kor1vet1974
        Hmm...I feel like they are preparing us for the fact that they will start measuring our skulls for Russianness laughing

        We all have different skulls... But we have one culture. Russian culture, which is part of world culture. Yes, we love to read Pushkin, Tolstoy, Shakespeare, Conan Doyle, Stevenson, Hemingway, Jack London. We admire the Temples, frescoes, paintings of Italy, we look at ancient Temples and shards of amphoras in Greece. We read Homer's Odyssey, but we don't wear Wahhabi beards and we don't wrap our girlfriends in hijabs.
      2. 0
        25 October 2024 22: 00
        Aha, Malofeev (there are few fairies, or the Russians know what), is already getting ready. A steam locomotive is heading his way!
  6. 0
    25 October 2024 08: 28
    I see. We are expecting a series of articles with approximately the following content: "Do you love Pushkin? Here! The man loves Pushkin, walks on Russian soil, speaks, thinks, feels in Russian! So who is he? Well, Val! Russian? That's right, Valya is Russian! And the fact that he is Weinstein is not his fault, but his misfortune. So, be with us, Semyon Weinstein, grow your sideburns, put your cane on, read Pushkin and love Russia!" (c) smile
    1. +8
      25 October 2024 10: 17
      As long as Semyon Vainshtein observes the laws of the Russian Federation and Russian cultural customs, he is Russian. But some genetically correct Russian Dolboslav Ivanov, fighting on the side of Ukraine - no, he is a Vyrus.
      1. +2
        25 October 2024 10: 25
        That's not what I'm talking about, Vyrus' or not Vyrus', that's how it turns out for us. Everyone is a fascist, and a Russian can't potentially be one, but they put up a monument to I. Ilyin, calling him a revolutionary conservative. As for me, who has Adyghe and Russian and Belarusian with Ukrainians and Balts in my blood, what should I do? Grow sideburns, wear a cane, read Pushkin and love Russia? And the fact that my last name is Adyghe is my misfortune. And I have to prove to everyone that I am an Adyghe in one generation, but I am sinful, I have a mixture of non-Russians. laughing
        1. +5
          25 October 2024 10: 52
          Quote: kor1vet1974
          .What should I do if I have Adyghe, Russian, Belarusian, Ukrainian and Balt people in my blood?

          Do nothing, but be and remain Russian, those whom our homeland gave birth to. It is rare for us not to have pure Russian blood, but we have absorbed the love for Russia from our parents, grandfathers and great-grandfathers. We are those who remember our history, our Faith, our ancestors and honor their graves.
          1. +2
            25 October 2024 11: 06
            Do nothing
            Can we eat Adyghe pies? What if it's not traditional? It's not Russian. What about dumplings?laughing
            remain Russian
            Can't I be myself? So that I don't have sideburns? laughing And not measure the skulls of others? As for faith, all my relatives, close and distant, are atheists. Therefore, we are really closer to each other, nothing separates us, no religions, no borders, and the Motherland is one, the USSR.
            1. +5
              25 October 2024 11: 13
              Quote: kor1vet1974
              Can we eat Adyghe pies? What if it's not traditional? It's not Russian. What about dumplings?

              Well, somehow it's not so stingy, I eat my grandfather's boiled Guran horse meat with pleasure and Horde lamb, horhog is also good, and Estonian pikpoes and mulgikapsad go well with Moscow vodka. But that doesn't make me a bad Russian.
              1. +4
                25 October 2024 11: 30
                Although I was born in 1974, but already almost in my old age, I am fed up with nationalism of all kinds, to hell. Any kind. It makes me sick. All the nationalists in the world remind me of some drunken hooligans. Some cut others, just because some break a chicken egg from the sharp end, and others from the blunt end. hi
                1. +1
                  25 October 2024 11: 37
                  Quote: kor1vet1974
                  All the nationalists in the world remind me of some drunken troublemakers.

                  Yes, the thing is that there are drunken troublemakers or clients of mental hospitals.
                2. +1
                  25 October 2024 14: 06
                  Here, a man with a Russian surname is going to hang Russians. Hang them because they are Russian and do not want to see themselves as different.
              2. +4
                25 October 2024 18: 24
                carpenter (Dimon), respected, you are still a bad Russian, for pure Estonians. Pikkpois (Pikkpois) - a long boy, and without two letters k!
                I studied in Tallinn during the USSR, and I kept trying to find pure Estonians. Moreover, the Estonians themselves understood that their ancestors had been under the Danes, under the Germans, under the Swedes, then in the Russian Empire since the 13th century, but all the barons were Baltic Germans, and they, especially in the central and southern ESSR, were all pure Estonians... It's funny and sad...
            2. +4
              25 October 2024 11: 52
              Quote: kor1vet1974
              Can we eat Adyghe pies? What if it's not traditional? It's not Russian. What about dumplings?

              Even borscht and lard are allowed. Just make sure the lard isn't cursed... smile
              While I was dressing the salad, cutting the lard, everything was as it should be, I ate and then suddenly everything was over-prepared at the yellow-blade color, the hum and the roar, nothing made sense, Taras Shevchenko crawled out of the earth... From now on, besides the Ukrainian language, I don’t understand anything. Looks like damned lard.

              Quote: kor1vet1974
              Can't I be myself?

              Yes, it is possible. Russian is not a phenotype. And not even a genotype. But upbringing and behavior.
              Russians are "our everything" - Whiskers и Mtsyr - they clearly would not have passed the commission for the management of racial policy. smile
              1. +1
                26 October 2024 13: 58
                Russian is not a phenotype. And not even a genotype.
                - that's exactly it! And this applies to any people of Eurasia (and not only). As for the set of genotypes (and it is quite wide) of Russians - it is very similar to that of Poles, Lithuanians, East Germans, and a number of "Finno-Ugric" peoples. Hundreds and thousands of years of living together have mixed the genes of neighboring clans well. And the formation of what is called modern peoples is a very recent process (at most 500 years, or even less). And it is constantly ongoing. And this formation occurs on the basis of language (dialect), culture, customs, history. And phenotypes and genotypes here - one might say, have nothing to do with it.
              2. 0
                27 October 2024 09: 56
                And what is Russian behavior? Can you explain?
            3. +2
              25 October 2024 16: 42
              And Adyghe pies are very tasty. Yes hi
  7. +7
    25 October 2024 09: 10
    And what about Sigismund Levanevsky? - they forgot about him, after all - he was one of the first Heroes of the USSR.
    and how many Poles are now, without any fuss, fighting in our ranks?
    everything is not that simple - and solving it with "simple" approaches is unacceptable!
    1. +5
      25 October 2024 10: 13
      and Sigismund Levanevsky?
      Wait a minute, we'll find out that he's not Polish, but actually a Buryat or a Mongol. It's strange that the author doesn't pick on all sorts of Kulmans, Reisfeders, Watmans, Vekselbergs, Abramovichs, Millars and others, but the Poles crossed his path by the river. laughing
      1. +1
        25 October 2024 21: 25
        And can we hope that maybe he is a Jew? Because after Soviet internationalism, what happened to all this anti-Semitism? laughing
  8. +1
    25 October 2024 11: 23
    Quote: north 2
    A może ci ostatni już odpowiedzieli, gdy Katarzyna Wielka postawiła sobie stołek nad nocnikiem od tronu króla polskiego?

    I na tym zbezczeszczonym tronie polskim - stołku, zdechła. Warto to wiedzieć i pamiętać.
    1. -1
      25 October 2024 13: 57
      she wasn't guilty as Russian, she was byzantine - she even founded greek sounding cities in the new territories. what's clear, she was evil from birth and those that supported her were aware of that - you don't kill your legitimate czar to install the non-royal wife by mistake. they also benefited from it, in the classic Russian manner - sacrificing millions of their own people for territories that won't serve Russia, but the evil directly. the last act would be to certify and pass this on their account forever or do something about this in the last moment. true, the things did then were more ambiguous than the open evil during ivan, peter, nicholas 2 and all traitors before and after stalin, but they seem eager to double down instead of the closing wound.
      she was not guilty as a russian, she was a byzantine - she even founded cities with greek names in the new territories. what is clear is that she was evil from birth, and those who supported her knew it - you don't kill your rightful tsar to put an untsar's wife on the throne by mistake. they also profited from it, in the classic russian manner - sacrificing millions of their own people for territories that would not serve russia, but directly evil. the last act would have been to certify and hand it over at their own expense forever, or do something with it at the last moment. true, what was done then was more ambiguous than the open evil of ivan, peter, nicholas 2 and all the traitors before and after stalin, but they seem keen to double down instead of healing the wound.
      1. 0
        26 October 2024 04: 32
        ok, dear downvoter, you win again: she was Russian and the Russians should pay for her sins. relaxed now, maybe an upvote with this?
  9. +2
    25 October 2024 11: 58
    I know and understand the value of professional excellence. But what is the value of nationality? To brag to other people? To encourage tribalism, nationalism, racism?
    1. 0
      25 October 2024 15: 14
      it is relevant on earth, where "citizens of the world" and their "free thinker" opposites are usually evil, while patriotism is a school for caring about people and institutions which don't directly benefit you. it's not the very best or only solution, it's just among the very few which works down here.
      this is true on earth, where "citizens of the world" and their "freethinking" counterparts are usually evil, while patriotism is a school of caring for people and institutions that don't directly benefit you. it's not the best or only solution, it's just one of the few that works down here.
      1. 0
        26 October 2024 08: 22
        "Citizens of the world" are also patriots, only their "Patria" is not where they were born, but where they are paid more and fed well. Do not confuse such "citizens" with people of truly global importance.
        1. 0
          26 October 2024 09: 57
          on the contrary, 90% of the Russian leadership is paid more and fed well in Russia, because that's where they steal from, and still have no respect for the country. the only patriots are either doomers loyal to doomer countries or paupers who are the first victims of their government; me too i was almost killed by my patriotism (it's also true that i added some morality to it, which is an explosive mixture down here). and anyway, yulica, isn't a bit early for a fake and opportunist answer, when you say just two replies earlier, and i quote: "And what is the value of national belonging? Bragging in front of other people? To encourage tribalism , nationalism, racism?" this is a very byzantine way to do things: personal opinions depend on the question and questioner.
          On the contrary, 90% of the Russian leadership earns more and feeds well in Russia, because that is where they steal, and have no respect for the country. The only patriots are either doomed people loyal to doomed countries, or beggars who become the first victims of their government; my patriotism almost killed me too (though I added a bit of morality to it, which is an explosive mixture down here). And anyway, Yulika, isn't it a bit early to give a false and opportunistic answer, when you said just two answers earlier, and I quote: "What is the value of nationality? Bragging to other people? Encouraging tribalism, nationalism, racism?" This is a very Byzantine way of doing things: personal opinions depend on the question and the asker.
    2. 0
      26 October 2024 10: 55
      And why not? laughing "" "
  10. -2
    25 October 2024 12: 21
    The national question, if posed "correctly", can tear Russia to pieces, just as the USSR was dismantled before. Today, a person's nationality is determined by the person himself and this information is not documented without his desire (but even with his desire, it is not used officially anywhere). This approach provides a wide field for machinations, but in the future it allows for the destruction of nations altogether.

    In order to preserve Russia as a state, this issue should be touched as little as possible until the nations die out completely - or until Russia is torn apart into apartments.
    1. 0
      25 October 2024 13: 15
      you are absolutely wrong here and this cowardice about a mere shorty self-reflection that pushes you to do unforgivable things to others would cost your souls in the end - it's the reaction of someone that tries to convince you repeatedly that you didn't understand what he said, then turn all witnesses one against another and finally losing them all inst. sure, at an ignorant first view, the threats map looks like the erotic anti-Russian dreams; but when you look closer, you see that most of these "ethnic" enclaves are dominated by Russians, who also keep the most powerful positions. so the real threat is not any of your minorities (with two exceptions that you could give up tomorrow with no regret, but i guarantee the jerks won't leave themselves). the main risk to russia's integrity, at huge distance from others, is RUSSIA'S RELATION WITH RUSSIANS THEMSELVES. and what turns this threat into a permanent danger is the millennial hunnic predominance in Russia: byzantines and huns manipulate both the country against its titular population, and repeated events when dozens of percents were killed are now in their genetic memory, not only the historical one , and the Russians against their own country, through cunningness and the means provided by controlling the state. so to be totally carefree you only need to do these two things:
      1. making it right with the Russians, which means expelling any byzantine-hunnic trace from the power mechanism (and i want to see how you do it if the romanian gypsy trump, cie, then kgb, now sie agent, becomes president
      2. turning the "everyone for himself" approach into a good against evil one. this way, 100 problems will only resume to 2 - kazan bolgars and bashkirs -, and even they won't leave the eternal country of freebies for monsters.
      as for the ending, it's disturbing because if evil is part of you already, these only two solutions will be the only two things that a satanized soul would do.
      You are absolutely wrong, and this cowardice over a simple short self-analysis, which pushes you to unforgivable actions towards others, will eventually cost you your soul - this is the reaction of someone who tries to convince you repeatedly that you did not understand what he said, then sets all the witnesses against each other and eventually loses them all instantly. Of course, at first glance, the map of threats looks like erotic anti-Russian dreams to an ignorant person; but if you look closely, you can see that most of these "ethnic" enclaves are dominated by Russians, who also occupy the most influential positions. So the real threat is not any of your minorities (except for two, which you can give up tomorrow without regrets, but I guarantee that these will not go away on their own). The main risk to the integrity of Russia, at a great distance from others, is RUSSIA'S RELATIONS WITH THE RUSSIANS THEMSELVES. and what turns this threat into a permanent danger is the thousand-year-old Hunnic domination of Russia: the Byzantines and the Huns manipulate both the country against its titular population, and the repeated events where tens of percent were killed are now in their genetic memory, not only historical, and the Russians against their own country, with the help of cunning and the means provided by the control of the state. so to be completely carefree, you only need to do these two things:
      1. mend fences with the Russians, which means eliminating any Byzantine-Hunnic trace from the machinery of power (and I want to see how you do that if the Romanian gypsy Trump, CCP then KGB, now CCP agent, becomes president
      2. transform the "every man for himself" approach into a good versus evil approach. Thus, 100 problems will continue only to 2 - Kazan Bulgarians and Bashkirs - and even they will not leave the eternal land of freebies for monsters.
      as for the ending, it is disturbing because if evil is already a part of you, these only two decisions will be the only two things the satanic soul will do.
      1. -1
        25 October 2024 13: 30
        Even today it is quite difficult to distinguish Russians from non-Russians, and in 50 years it will be completely impossible - there are no documents, and appearances are deceiving.
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          25 October 2024 13: 34
          if someone with his ass on a sofa in romania can, you can too - at least by watching them, since they never lose their identity. but most of those with a voice simply got comfy with a system that works for them personally. also, you don't have 50 years left probably.
          if someone sitting on a couch in romania can do it, so can you - at least by watching them, because they never lose their identity. but most of those who have a voice are just used to the system that works for them personally. and you probably don't have 50 years left.
          1. -1
            25 October 2024 13: 40
            that's also because humans never cared about God - no fear, no respect, total ignorance when He can't serve them in some way.
            It is also because people have never cared about God - no fear, no respect, complete ignorance when He cannot serve them in any way.
      2. -1
        25 October 2024 13: 30
        if evil is part of you already, these only two solutions, which are just, simple and comprehensive, will be the only two things that a satanized soul would NEVER do.
        if evil is already a part of you, then these only two decisions that are fair, simple and clear will be the only two things that the satanic soul will NEVER do.
    2. 0
      26 October 2024 10: 58
      Why is that? For example, are you forbidding me to openly declare my nationality? Or maybe it's not about the reel?
  11. 0
    25 October 2024 18: 34
    What is this article about? That such and such people were Poles or not quite Poles? So what?
  12. 0
    25 October 2024 22: 21
    A Pole is not an ethnic group, a Pole is a profession.

    https://cont.ws/@as39sa179/2800293
  13. 0
    26 October 2024 08: 29
    Should I hate Poles because of Copernicus, Austrians because of Strauss, Germans because of Thälmann, French because of Thorez? Or some other nation because of some personalities? Or maybe people are valued not for their ethnicity, but for their contribution to the development of science, technology, production, art, culture and all of humanity?
  14. 0
    28 October 2024 10: 49
    Kalinowski is a true Polish nationalist.