Soviet post-war 85mm self-propelled artillery units

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Soviet post-war 85mm self-propelled artillery units

In the 1950s-1970s, the USSR worked on creating light self-propelled artillery units armed with 85-mm guns. Such self-propelled guns were primarily intended for paratroops, and in the Ground Forces they were considered as a battalion-level anti-tank weapon. Light wheeled self-propelled guns on an armored personnel carrier chassis, which had high mobility, in addition to fighting enemy armored vehicles, could also be used to provide fire support to infantry units and for patrol and reconnaissance activities.

Self-propelled artillery unit ASU-85


The adoption of the airborne 1949-mm self-propelled gun in 57 artillery The ASU-57 installation did not completely solve the problem of equipping the Airborne Troops with a truly effective tank destroyer capable of providing fire support to the "winged infantry" during an offensive and partially compensating for the lack of other armored vehicles among the paratroopers, which revealed the need to create a self-propelled gun with a larger-caliber gun. In addition, the command of the Ground Forces in the first post-war decade expressed interest in creating a light assault self-propelled gun, which was to replace the morally and physically obsolete SU-76M.



Based on the experience of World War II and post-war realities, the Soviet military leadership wanted to obtain a light self-propelled gun suitable for transporting aviation and parachute landing, sufficiently mobile on rough terrain and equipped with a powerful weapon capable of penetrating the frontal armor of modern medium tanks at that time tanks potential enemy. In addition, it was highly desirable to increase the destructive and lethal effect of the fragmentation grenade.

By the beginning of the 1950s, it became quite obvious that the armor penetration of 57-mm anti-tank guns, even with the use of new high-speed sub-caliber "coils" with hard-alloy cores, had practically reached its limit, and the 76-mm divisional guns, which had proven themselves well in wartime, no longer fully met the requirements for range, lethality and high-explosive effect of a fragmentation shell.

Calculations showed that acceptable characteristics in terms of armor penetration, fragmentation and high-explosive action can be obtained on an 85-mm artillery system. The use of armor based on light alloys made it possible to meet the characteristics of air mobility and protection required of the new self-propelled gun.

The design of the 85-mm self-propelled gun (Object 573) began in the early 1950s at the Mytishchi Machine-Building Plant Design Bureau under the leadership of the plant's chief designer N. A. Astrov and was synchronized with the creation of new turboprop transport aircraft capable of carrying light armored vehicles in the cargo compartment.

Initially, the new self-propelled gun received the "universal" designation SU-85, and it was envisaged that, in addition to the Airborne Forces, it would be supplied to the anti-tank divisions of the Ground Forces. However, after some time, the "ground" generals decided that they did not need a self-propelled gun with "aluminum" armor, and they relied on tanks with powerful anti-shell armor, as well as self-propelled guns with larger caliber guns.

After that, the vehicle was produced only for the Airborne Forces, and it was given a purely airborne designation - ASU-85. Serial production continued from 1959 to 1966. In 7 years, it was possible to build about 500 vehicles. In the Airborne Forces, the ASU-85 was used in separate self-propelled artillery divisions (30 vehicles), which were the anti-tank reserve of the division commander.

Unlike the ASU-57, which was mass-produced at Plant No. 40 in Mytishchi, the ASU-85 self-propelled artillery unit had a different layout: the driver was located in front, followed by the fighting compartment with the gunner's workstations (to the left of the gun), and the commander and loader were located on the right. The engine-transmission compartment was in the rear of the combat vehicle. In height, the fighting compartment was slightly larger than the engine-transmission compartment, and the vehicle externally resembled the German StuG tank destroyer. IV.


ASU-85 prototype

The upper frontal plate of the hull, 45 mm thick, had an angle of 60°, and the lower one of the same thickness was located at an angle of 40°. The side armor plates of the hull, 13 mm thick, were installed at an angle of 40° from the vertical. The maximum thickness of the remaining armor plates of the hull parts did not exceed 6 mm. The frontal armor could successfully withstand small-caliber armor-piercing shells and in terms of protection in the frontal projection of the ASU-85 was approximately at the level of the T-34 medium tank. The side armor was capable of withstanding shell fragments and rifle armor-piercing bullets fired at point-blank range, as well as 12,7 mm bullets at a distance of more than 400 m.

The prototype and early series self-propelled guns did not have an armored roof, and in the marching position the top was covered with tarpaulin. Already after the adoption of the ASU-85 in the conditions of the proliferation of tactical nuclear weapons weapons The military demanded that the fighting compartment be covered from above, and since 1960, a modification with a roof 6-13 mm thick, in which there were three hatches, began to be produced. However, the fighting compartment of the self-propelled gun was not sealed, and it did not have a filtration unit or a device for creating excess pressure inside the vehicle.


Therefore, in areas exposed to chemical or radiation contamination, the crew was forced to work not only in gas masks, but also in insulating protective suits.


The 85mm D-70 cannon with a vertical wedge breech, semi-automatic copying mechanism, a two-chamber muzzle brake and an ejector for removing powder gases after firing is installed in the frontal plate with a slight offset to the left.

The D-70 gun traced its lineage back to the towed 85-mm anti-tank gun D-48 and was also created under the supervision of F. F. Petrov. The round for the D-48 had an increased volume of powder charge and used a re-crimped case from a 100-mm artillery munition used for firing from the towed gun BS-3 and tank D-10.


Shots for the 85mm D-48 anti-tank gun

Due to the increased energy, the recoil devices, breech and barrel of the D-48 were strengthened compared to the 85 mm D-44 cannon. Due to the significantly increased muzzle velocity of the projectile, armor penetration increased significantly. But at the same time, the barrel life was significantly reduced and the weight of the gun increased. Since the airdroppable SPG was limited in size when placed inside a military transport aircraft, the D-70 barrel became 48 calibers shorter than the D-6 and, accordingly, the muzzle velocity of the projectile dropped by 35 m/s. But, nevertheless, the characteristics of the gun remained quite high.

The muzzle velocity of the BR-372 armor-piercing projectile weighing 9,3 kg was 1005 m/s. At a distance of 1000 m, when hitting at a right angle, it could penetrate a 190 mm armor plate. The BR-367P subcaliber tracer projectile weighing 4,99 kg with an initial velocity of 1150 m/s under the same conditions penetrates homogeneous armor up to 220 mm thick. HEAT projectiles 3BK7 weighing 7,22 kg and with armor penetration of 160 mm were also used for firing at armored vehicles. The thickness of the armor penetrated by the HEAT projectile does not depend on the range. The 85-mm OF-372 high-explosive fragmentation grenade weighing 9,7 kg contained 741 g of TNT and was significantly superior in fragmentation to the 76-mm projectile.

The firing range for armored vehicles reached 2500 m, but the effective range for moving targets did not exceed 1600 m. The maximum firing range for a fragmentation projectile reached 10 m. The TShK-000-2 telescopic hinged sight was used for firing at visually observed targets. When firing from closed positions, the S-79-71 mechanical sight with the PG-79 gun panorama was used. For firing in the dark at a distance of up to 1 m, the TPN-500-1-79 night tank sight with the L-11 infrared illumination searchlight was intended. With aiming correction, the rate of fire reached 2 rounds/min. The gun has vertical aiming angles from -7 to +5 °. The horizontal firing sector is ±15 °. The gun is paired with a 15 mm SGMT machine gun. The ammunition load for early production vehicles consisted of 7,62 unitary artillery rounds and 45 rifle-caliber rounds. The R-2000 VHF radio was used for external communications, and the R-113 TPU was used for internal communications.


The ASU-85 received a chassis that was quite advanced for that time, consisting of six single-row rubberized support rollers, a rear drive roller and a front guide roller with a track tensioning mechanism for the wheels on each side of the vehicle. The suspension was individual, torsion. A smooth ride was provided by piston-type hydraulic shock absorbers. The YaAZ-206V two-stroke diesel engine with a power of 210 hp accelerated the 15-ton vehicle on the highway to 45 km/h. Due to its relatively small weight, the self-propelled unit had good mobility on rough terrain and cross-country ability on soft soils. Cruising range on the highway is 360 km. On a dirt road - 230 km.


The problem of crossing water obstacles was solved by using a 20-ton pontoon assembled from sections of the DPP-40 landing pontoon park.

After analyzing the combat use of armored vehicles in the Arab-Israeli conflicts, the self-propelled gun was modernized: a cylindrical commander's cupola with a TNPK-240A periscope observation device and a gun panorama appeared on the roof of the fighting compartment. On top of the cupola there was a hatch with a 12,7-mm DShKM anti-aircraft machine gun turret.


Due to the need to additionally accommodate 12 boxes of 50-round belts for the large-caliber machine gun, the number of artillery rounds was reduced to 39 units.

At an early stage, the ASU-85 could be transported by An-12 and An-22 military transport aircraft.


But after the 1972P4 (P-134) platform was adopted into service in 16, it became possible to drop the aircraft with a multi-dome parachute system. Special brakes were activated immediately before landing. missile engines that dampened vertical speed. After landing, the self-propelled unit could be brought into combat readiness within 5 minutes, but the crew was parachuted separately.


Although by the mid-1970s the 85 mm D-70 gun no longer reliably penetrated the frontal armor of contemporary American and British tanks, the ASU-85 was very popular in the Airborne Forces and, until the Nona-S self-propelled gun was adopted, was effectively the only parachute-dropped Soviet self-propelled gun capable of providing fairly effective artillery support, firing at visually observed targets and from closed positions. The fragmentation shell of the 57 mm Ch-51 gun, which the ASU-57 self-propelled gun was armed with, was too light and contained only 220 g of TNT.


Before the BMD-1 and BTR-D were delivered, the ASU-85 self-propelled guns were actively used for transporting personnel, towing trailers and artillery systems.

After the ASU-85 was spotted during the Warsaw Pact invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968, army wits nicknamed the airborne self-propelled gun the "Prague crocodile."


The ASU-85s, as part of the artillery battalion of the 103rd Airborne Division, also participated in the introduction of a "limited contingent" into Afghanistan. However, the 85-mm self-propelled guns did not stay "beyond the river" for long, and nothing is known about their use in combat.

In the early 1980s, 85-mm self-propelled guns began to be removed from the artillery battalions of airborne divisions and put into storage. Officially, the ASU-85 was removed from service in 1993, although by that time there were no more self-propelled guns in combat units.

A number of sources claim that the ASU-85 actually saw combat during the Six-Day War in 1967, and 50 vehicles were delivered to Egypt. However, there are no details of the combat use of the ASU-85 in the Middle East, and they were not among the Israeli trophies.

In 1964, the Soviet Union transferred 20 self-propelled guns to the GDR, and a year later 31 vehicles to Poland. In these countries, the ASU-85 was in service until the liquidation of the Warsaw Pact. Several Polish ASU-85s are currently on display in museums.


The only country that still has the ASU-85 in service is Vietnam. In 1979, light anti-tank self-propelled guns capable of maneuvering in the jungle were needed to repel Chinese aggression. However, the 85-mm self-propelled guns did not make it to the war in Southeast Asia, and about fifty self-propelled guns were used by the Vietnamese People's Army until the mid-1990s, after which they were mothballed.


In 2015, it became known that the Vietnamese had removed from storage and repaired some ASU-85s, and they were put into service with the 168th Artillery Brigade of the VNA.

Light wheeled 85-mm self-propelled artillery unit "Zhalo-S"


In the late 1960s, the Soviet military leadership expressed interest in creating a light wheeled tank destroyer that, in addition to countering enemy armored vehicles, could be used for reconnaissance and providing fire support to mobile units. In fact, the possibility of creating a so-called "wheeled tank" was considered, which would have a higher speed on roads, better fuel efficiency and lower cost compared to tracked vehicles of the same weight category.

The development of the light wheeled self-propelled gun 2S14 "Zhalo-S" was carried out in 1970-1975 at the Nizhny Novgorod Central Research Institute "Burevestnik" under the leadership of V.E. Serebryany. According to the technical specifications, the self-propelled gun, armed with an 85-mm smoothbore gun, was intended for the battalion link of motorized rifle troops.

The BTR-70 was chosen as the base chassis, which, in case of mass production, allowed to significantly reduce the cost of production and operation, and also simplified the training of driver-mechanics, supply of consumables and spare parts. The BTR-70 design made it possible to develop a new self-propelled gun on its basis without making serious changes to the design of the hull and chassis. The layout with the front location of the common habitable compartment and the aft power compartment allowed to install the turret in the central part of the vehicle and preserve the previous placement of the main units. The installation of the turret did not require significant reworking of the hull, with the exception of cutting in a new ring and some strengthening of the roof.


The absence of serious modifications to the chassis allowed the BTR-70 to retain its weight and dimensions. Thus, the length of the self-propelled gun along the hull was the same as that of the armored personnel carrier, and was 7510 mm. Length with a gun – 9950 mm. Width – 2790 mm, height – 2490 mm. Curb weight – 12,5 tons.

The hull consisted of armor plates no more than 8-10 mm thick with the most powerful protection in the frontal projection. Mobility and protection remained at the level of the BTR-70. The crew was 4 people. As on the BTR-70, the driver-mechanic was located in the front part of the hull. The commander could be located next to him. The control compartment had a pair of hatches in the roof. The gunner's place was in the turret, the loader's place was in the fighting compartment. There was one hatch on the turret, the fighting compartment could also be accessed through the side hatches. For observation in field conditions, the frontal glazing with armored shields was used, in a combat situation - periscope devices. For external communication, there was an R-123 radio station.

Two twin carburetor engines ZMZ 4605 with a total power of 240 hp could accelerate the self-propelled unit on the highway to 80 km / h. The engines were mounted on a common frame with a clutch and a manual gearbox. Fuel tanks were also located next to them. With the help of several shafts and differentials, the torque of the engines was distributed to eight driving wheels. Cruising range on hard-surface roads is up to 600 km. On a dirt road - up to 400 km. It was possible to force water obstacles by swimming. To move on water at a speed of 10 km / h, a stern water jet was used.


Model of the self-propelled gun "Zhalo-S"

The main armament of the Zhalo-S self-propelled gun was the 85 mm 2A62 smoothbore gun mounted in a rotating turret. This gun was created simultaneously with the towed version, designated 2A55 Zhalo-B. To reduce recoil, the 2A62 gun was equipped with a highly effective muzzle brake. The armor-piercing fin-stabilized discarding sabot projectile (APFSDS) could penetrate 1000 mm of armor at a distance of 230 m at normal angles. The ammunition complement also included cumulative projectiles with armor penetration of up to 400 mm and high-explosive fragmentation projectiles. The fighting compartment had space for 35-40 artillery rounds.

A turret welded from 85 mm thick sheets was developed for the 6 mm wheeled SPG. The lower part had the shape of an inverted truncated cone of small height. In the center of the front part of the turret there was a box-shaped unit with a gun mount, on the sides of which there were rectangular niches. The sides and rear of the turret were made in the form of another conical surface. On the roof curved in the center on the left side there was a turret with a hatch. In the rear part of the turret there was a small rectangular niche with a hatch for ejecting spent cartridges. On the experimental vehicle, only an 85 mm gun was mounted in the turret. But if adopted for service, the self-propelled gun could be additionally equipped with a rifle-caliber machine gun, paired with the gun or installed on the gunner's hatch, as well as smoke grenade launchers.

Although the Zhalo-S self-propelled gun used a ready-made chassis that required minimal modification, the creation and refinement of the vehicle dragged on. Testing of the only built example began in 1975 and lasted until 1980.


Self-propelled gun "Zhalo-S" at the training ground

Overall, the vehicle performed well and could move in the same marching and combat formations of units armed with the BTR-60. The firepower of the Zhalo-S self-propelled gun was quite sufficient to combat West German Leopard 1 tanks and French AMX-30s. However, the 85 mm APFSDS round fired from the 2A62 gun barrel did not guarantee reliable penetration of the frontal armor of well-protected tanks: the American M60 and the British Chieftain.

Considering that in the 1960s the American-West German MBT-70 tank was being developed, and after the project was split in Germany in 1979 the Leopard 2 was adopted, and in the US in 1980 the M1 Abrams, the prospects of an 85-mm smoothbore anti-tank gun with high ballistics, despite all its positive qualities, came to naught. The only branch of the armed forces that would have been in demand for the Zhalo-S floating self-propelled gun could have been the Marines, which until the early 1990s operated PT-76 floating tanks with 76-mm D-56T rifled guns, which were significantly inferior to the 2A62 gun in terms of armor penetration and the damaging effect of the projectile. However, in the USSR the marine infantry was relatively small in number, and for this reason it was considered impractical to adopt a new self-propelled gun.


After the tests were completed, the Zhalo-S self-propelled gun was kept for some time at the testing ground of the 38th Research and Testing Institute of Armored Vehicles in Kubinka, where it stood in the open air. Subsequently, the restored wheeled self-propelled gun took its place in one of the pavilions of the Armored Museum in the city of Kubinka.

To be continued ...
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  1. +2
    24 October 2024 05: 00
    Thank you very much for the interesting article, Sergey!
    About the ASU-85, one can say that it is essentially a Soviet-style Hetzer brought to mind. It is a pity that by the time this wonderful machine appeared, the time of the Jagdpanzer had passed.
    1. -5
      24 October 2024 07: 52
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      About the ASU-85, one can say that it is essentially a Soviet-style Hetzer that has been brought to perfection.

      А IS-3 this is brought to mind Panzerkampfwagen VI Ausf.B in Soviet style?
      1. +4
        24 October 2024 08: 25
        The IS-3 is both a huge breakthrough in world tank building and a victim of the record policy. The attempt to squeeze so many innovations into the Procrustean bed of the IS-2 chassis led to the vehicle being the limit for the said restrictions and having no reserves for modernization. Therefore, it was necessary to create a practically new vehicle, the IS-8/T-10, in order to implement the concept laid down in the IS-3.
        The Jagdterrier was developed by the British on their Conqueror. But by the time this vehicle appeared, the time of heavy tanks had already passed.
    2. +4
      24 October 2024 08: 26
      Well, yes, and the T90 is a refined version of the Renault from the WW1 era.
      1. +1
        24 October 2024 09: 50
        In fact, the answer to the question of what comes from where is the intended combat use:
        The IS-3 is essentially our first iteration of the MBT.
        The T-54, despite its outstanding characteristics for 1949, was our last medium tank.
        And the Conqueror is a colossus with an outrageous gun, capable of destroying enemy tanks from long distances without fear of return fire - the concept of the Jagdtiger, only taking into account the low mobility, the turret is made rotating.
        So the ASU-85 is a machine capable of showing its teeth to enemy tanks from an ambush, and providing limited support to paratroopers with fire and armor. It is made on the basis of mastered parts and units, and can be produced at automobile factories engaged in the production of trucks - why not Hetzer?
    3. +3
      24 October 2024 11: 51
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      It is a pity that by the time this wonderful machine appeared, the time of the Jagdpanzer had passed.

      Yes, AT guns are less in demand now due to the development of ATGMs and drones. But..... A modern tank (anti-tank) gun is that same simple crowbar, against which it is extremely difficult to select techniques. And direct fire with firearms, as well as shrapnel, is also more effective than shooting from a ZOP. Of course, when it is possible.
      The MBT now requires a large-caliber universal howitzer-gun-mortar and, of course, the most important thing, the appropriate ammunition for it.
  2. +5
    24 October 2024 07: 26
    The prototype and early series self-propelled guns did not have an armored roof, and in the marching position the top was covered with a tarpaulin. After the adoption of the ASU-85, in the conditions of the proliferation of tactical nuclear weapons, the military demanded that the fighting compartment be covered from above, and since 1960, production of a modification with a roof that was 6-13 mm thick, in which there were three hatches, began. However, the fighting compartment of the self-propelled gun was not sealed, and it did not have a filtration unit or a device for creating excess pressure inside the machine.

    The American airmobile self-propelled gun M56 "Scorpion", similar in purpose, which was produced from 1953 to 1959 and used in Vietnam, had no protection or armor at all, except for a small gun shield.
  3. +1
    24 October 2024 07: 32
    It seems to me that it was a mistake to abandon the Zhalo project, it would be nice to have a line of wheeled vehicles with a large caliber, like the French, wheeled tanks have many advantages. Maybe we'll come to this
    1. -4
      24 October 2024 07: 56
      Quote: Vadim S
      Wheeled tanks have many advantages.

      Somehow these are advantages from the side AMX-10RC did not show up at SVO...
      1. +2
        24 October 2024 09: 02
        Well, it's more a question of tactics and training.
        1. -4
          24 October 2024 09: 42
          by the way, about tactics
          SVO showed the need for heavy infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers on a tank base
          preferably with a power plant in the front and a cabin like a self-propelled gun
          with built-in and spaced DZ Relikt in a circular
          and preferably the presence of the Arena KAZ and integrated with the KAZ DPU for 12-mm smoothbore carbines from FPV drones, preferably smoothbore machine guns with belt feed
          KAZ reaction 0,70 microseconds i.e. we will be able to shoot down drones at a distance of 65 meters with a pellet accuracy of 50%
      2. 0
        30 December 2024 18: 17
        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
        Somehow these advantages from the AMX-10RC on the SVO did not manifest themselves...

        Who knows? Maybe they drank a lot of blood with these AMX10s. We don't know much about the use of these machines, only if such a machine is destroyed do we recognize it. But it's not that many of them were destroyed. I believe these machines are assigned to some airborne troops, special forces, special operations forces, on wheeled vehicles, MRAPs, armored personnel carriers and in reinforcement AMX10s, in case it is necessary to quickly cover a large distance to strike at the flanks, like airborne operations. Which neither side is able to do now. At the moment, it is believed that all these AMX10s, Leo1s, T-55AMTs are stored for more intense, or dynamic, maneuverable battles. Now, along the entire front line, they are tightly pressed against each other and any advances, if any, are very minimal and with heavy losses, the equipment is tracked from afar and pursued by drones, everything is covered with mines everywhere and these AMX10s are of no help at all.
        1. 0
          30 December 2024 18: 40
          Quote: karabas-barabas
          Now, along the entire front line, they are firmly against each other and, if there is any progress, it is very minimal.

          How do you evaluate the promotion? Is it minimal, average or maximal? Do you draw any historical parallels? Compare it with something? Or have you developed your own promotion coefficient? Based on what? What promotion evaluation tool do you have?
          1. 0
            30 December 2024 18: 54
            For example, as the French themselves use somewhere in Africa, bypassing militant groups for tens of kilometers and striking from the rear, flank. Or the Americans in Iraq, but without anything similar, only Humvees, 12,7, Javelins and Carl Gustav, which by the way put them in trouble. Regarding the SVO, remember the rollback of the Russian Armed Forces from the Kyiv, Kharkov, Sumy, Kherson regions and the speed of the Ukrainian Armed Forces' advance. That's when such collapses of the front, when the front breaks through and there are no fortified rear areas, when intelligence cannot cope with the general situation, then the SSO operates on "high-speed armor". For example, to set up ambushes for retreating or aiding columns. Or to capture poorly guarded, or completely unguarded, populated areas, industrial facilities. And as a rule, such landings have ATGMs, 30mm guns, but no support from 100mm or higher guns.
    2. +3
      25 October 2024 22: 00
      Panhard AML-90, an armored car with a 90-mm cannon, was intended to counter the Soviet Airborne Forces (and the Warsaw Pact in general): ASU-57, ASU-85, BMD-1.
  4. -2
    24 October 2024 08: 25
    Now they would be oh so useful, only with a new fire control system, fortunately there are plenty of targets like Bradley and other light armored vehicles, only the armor at least on the front should be made larger, so that it could withstand 30 mm.
    1. +2
      24 October 2024 11: 58
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      Now they would be oh so useful, only with a new fire control system, fortunately there are plenty of targets like Bradley and other light armored vehicles, only the armor at least on the front should be made larger, so that it could withstand 30 mm.

      If the level of protection of the ASU-85 in the frontal projection is similar to the T-34, then at a distance of more than 500 m the front of the self-propelled gun should withstand a 30-mm solid-body armor-piercing projectile of domestic production. The M242 Bushmaster cannon used as part of the M2 Bradley IFV armament when firing 25-mm projectiles of the M919 type is capable of overcoming the frontal armor of the ASU-85 at real combat distances. A light landing self-propelled gun of the chopper type has nothing to do directly on the LBS, it could be useful when firing from closed positions.
      1. 0
        25 October 2024 18: 54
        If the level of protection of the ASU-85 in the frontal projection is similar to the T-34

        How can it be similar to the T-34 if the thickness and angle of inclination are the same, but the armor is made of aluminum. Or is it steel?
  5. -1
    24 October 2024 16: 47
    What is this 85mm smoothbore gun? Did it even exist?
  6. +2
    24 October 2024 19: 17
    The ASU-85 stood for a long time at the entrance to the 76th Airborne Division training ground on the outskirts of Pskov. But it was removed and replaced with a BMD-1 about five years ago.
    Apparently someone needed it, the car is rare, unlike the BMD.
    Not far away on the territory of the testing ground there is a ZIS-2 on a pedestal.
  7. +2
    24 October 2024 19: 24
    I saw the ASU-85 as part of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in 2022. Apparently they managed to fight. And how many of them were there... I don't know. There was only one photo
  8. -2
    25 October 2024 08: 52
    Sub-caliber tracer projectile BR-367P weighing 4,99 kg
    This is a shell from a D-44 cannon. Could it really be fired from a D-48/D-70?
    And regarding the armor, is it still aluminum, or was it converted to steel?
    1. +1
      25 October 2024 15: 24
      Quote: The Meaning of Life
      This is a shell from a D-44 cannon. Could it really be fired from a D-48/D-70?

      You don't understand the difference between projectile и shot?
      1. -4
        25 October 2024 18: 50
        Madam, don't put on airs. If you like to act like a strict teacher, then explain normally why you developed your own armor-piercing and cumulative shells for the D-48, and took the subcaliber shell from the D-44? If you don't know, then don't get involved in a conversation between serious people. Considering the unitary loading, a ready-made shot with this shell for the D-48 should have been produced; can you name its index?