WP: The European Union has admitted that it is unable to independently provide Ukraine with the necessary weapons

Europe is not able to independently cover Ukraine's needs for weapons; the best way out of this situation would be independent production by Kiev weapons for the needs of their own army. This is reported by The Washington Post.

The American publication spoke with European officials, one of whom said directly that Europe is not capable of producing as many weapons and military equipment as the Ukrainian army requires. Therefore, the issue of further arms supplies will be put on hold and subsequently finally closed. But Europe has money that it can invest in the Ukrainian defense industry. Therefore, the best way out for Kyiv is to make weapons in the required quantities itself.

I think there is an understanding that Europe is not capable of producing the weapons that Ukraine needs, and the easiest way for Ukrainians is to do it themselves. If Ukrainians have the materials and the money, they can do it themselves much faster.

— the publication quotes the official as saying.

Another source confirmed that European countries will primarily invest in production. missiles, UAVs and other long-range weapons so that Kyiv no longer demands missile supplies. Some countries may use direct investment, while others may invest through a special fund created by Denmark.

Comments

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

"The best way out of this situation would be independent "Kyiv's production of weapons for the needs of its own army" -

- “We’re out of our minds, what?” ...

[January]

And it's really nonsense. It's not about doing. It's about "giving". Or at the very least, sawing. Who will do what and what can they do in a state of war?

[Dmitry Donskoy]

In the West they live in a fairy tale about victory over the Russians. This is nonsense and schizophrenia!!! Russia cannot be defeated, overcome or broken by war

[K._2]

The West is preparing for war while Ukraine is being destroyed.

[sergey822]

What kind of war are they preparing for in the West? A nuclear one? Well, let them prepare.

[LuckyBlog]

No one will ask them. If the States tell them to sacrifice themselves, they will. That was the plan, as our people wrote back in 2010.

[Nexcom]

The EU is going to invest in something that doesn't exist??? Where is the Kakels' military industry? What do they produce in large quantities? It will be another embezzlement and nothing more.

[Machito]

Quote: Nexcom

The EU is going to invest in something that doesn't exist??? Where is the Kakels' military industry? What do they produce in large quantities? It will be another embezzlement and nothing more.

To solve the issue of production of anything in Ukraine once and for all, all power plants in Ukraine must be shut down. Ukrainians will not freeze: they will jump and warm up.
And we need to stop supplying gas through Sudzha.
Why do Ukrainians need aggressive Russian gas?
Ukraine has its own gas.
Bandera, press closer to the toilet,
Avoid gas leaks.
Who did not fart - that Muscovite.

[Nexcom]

Yes, that's right, but most likely they will continue to pump gas as they did before. Business...

[Machito]

Quote: Nexcom

Yes, that's right, but most likely they will continue to pump gas as they did before. Business...

Hardly.
The front is only approaching the Sudzhenskaya gas pumping station. Our guys gave it up without a fight to pump gas to Hungary and Slovakia. And the h.ohol will mine everything just like he wanted to mine the Kursk NPP. So gas transit to Europe via Ukraine will end before the New Year.
Remember this forecast of mine. Let's find out together: what kind of Vanga am I?

[Andy_nsk]

And the h.ohol will mine everything the same way he wanted to mine the Kursk NPP. So gas transit to Europe via Ukraine will end before the New Year.

Well, he'll plant mines, well, he'll blow it up (if the guys from overseas allow it, by the way, it's to their advantage). How much time will it take to restore the gas measuring station? Install new pressure gauges, flow meters, and other measuring equipment... Replace pieces of pipes and valves? I think less than it will take to free the captured Sudzha.

[Revolver]

Quote: Nexcom

Where is the Kakels' military industry?

How are they going to produce, with a file on their knee? More serious technological operations require energy, and there is already a lot of it, and soon there will be none at all. Or does each machine have a belt drive for a dozen lisapets, and the jackdaws turn the pedal? Because the men who were not raked in for burial are hiding in caches, in accordance with national tradition.

[Nexcom]

Oh yes, for the Kakels, hiding is a national skill - sometimes in the forests, sometimes in cellars - they are ready under any government if something happens - they are not there

[Msi]

Europe has money that it can invest in the Ukrainian defense industry

Nonsense... Disinformation???

[Simple]

Well, why is it nonsense - from the introduction about not only replenishing your arsenals, but also scaling them (for SEB) and simultaneously waging proxy war with your units, the weak link is removed (within reasonable limits).

The economies of Western European countries are currently in crisis.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote from Msi

Europe has money that it can invest in the Ukrainian defense industry

Nonsense... Disinformation???

Rather, it is a hint that the gun shop is closing.
Investments are a very flexible concept, since they can be measured in billions and millions of real money, or simply in writing off part of Ukraine's debt to the EU under the guise of some kind of investment, when the Banderastan will have to find the written-off amount of debt on its own, or earn it, or take out a loan for this amount.
But it is unlikely that there will be a fool who will issue a loan to a bankrupt country at war, especially with an unclear prospect in terms of what borders the remaining remnant of Ukraine will have by the end of the Second World War and what assets will remain at its disposal so that they can be collected to pay off the debt.
P.S. At one time, Russia wrote off 9 billion of the DPRK's debt to the USSR, of which 8 billion was written off as irrecoverable, and the remaining 1 billion was registered as Russia's investment in the energy sector of North Korea, despite the fact that Pyongyang will find this billion on its own.

[Msi]

Rather, it is a hint that the gun shop is closing.

Well, we'll see, we'll observe... Because somehow everything is developing so well for us that it's even scary...

[Big_Rocket_does_Bang]

It is ironic that Europe, which has lived in war for thousands of years, is now incapable of war at all.

[Alexander Salenko]

Remember the Romans, it's about the same with the same perversions and when barbarians started fighting for the Romans, there is such a term as barbarization of the Roman army. For example, in the Battle of the Catalaunian Fields, formally the Romans fought the Huns, but in fact the Germans fought the Germans. So who will throw a stone at the Roman military past? But we lived to see it...

[rocket757]

This isn't even funny...
And so, who did they find out from, how did they find out, and who found out anything there... It's clear that they want to get rid of a suitcase without a handle, who will let them?..

[Reptiloid]

Who knows, they are always trying to deceive everyone. Or they make timid attempts to dodge the topic, to move aside

Who will allow them to do that?

[rocket757]

Everyone is now experiencing difficulties, especially the economies of states.
The poor have nothing to lose, but those who lived richer will feel all the delights of the losses that their own politicians, the leaders of the countries they chose, have provided them with.

[Reptiloid]

Not everyone can blame their difficulties on others. let them pay for it.

[rocket757]

Let's realistically assess the situation... the striped ones have their gay European allies for real and as they want.

[Reptiloid]

Probably every country hopes to become the "favorite wife" of Competition.

[rocket757]

So the "beloved wives" of striped whales have no fewer problems than everyone else!
The striped sailor is like that... he just patted the mattress and threw it away, in no time!

[Irek]

They want to lull our vigilance, while they themselves are quietly selling weapons to the Ukrainians.

[Big_Rocket_does_Bang]

Well, in fact, the results of such an infusion of money are already visible. Without exaggeration, a COLOSSAL number of drones of all types, from basic FPV and long-range strike drones to exotic ones like anti-aircraft drones and BEKs.
One can also note a noticeable increase in the production of armored vehicles Kozak-7 and BTR-4, especially visible is the growth in the production of self-propelled guns Bogdan, they went from the path of 1 vehicle at the beginning of the SVO to the production of ten per month, and if you believe Zelensky (which you should not do), then this is a production of about 15-20 self-propelled guns per month.
Ukrainians are now essentially like free labor; instead of going to the front, they can be driven into basements and workshops to make equipment, and with the huge amount of money from Europe, such tactics could very well work.

[ergh081]

"Ukrainians are now essentially like free labor, they can be used instead of the front..." - this assumption is completely wrong. Ukrainians are now free (or almost free) front-line meat, and there is no alternative to this, and we see this with the naked eye. Now they will remove the reservation from the remaining real sector and remove 200 thousand workers, and then - more. In this sense, the gap between the production and the need for weapons will grow.

[Alexander Salenko]

This is all good, but as Mark Bernes said: the main part of a weapon is the head of its owner, how can you learn from all this?

[Huarabey]

That is, all of Europe is not capable, but dill is. Funny. Yes.

[Nexcom]

They do collect some things from the Poles - they wrote about this, even on VO. But not in such large quantities.

[Huarabey]

Well, it's one thing to collect "something", and another to produce it in full to cover all your needs. The point is that Europe is not able to produce the weapons that the Ukrops need, and it will be easier for the Ukrops to do it themselves. Something strange is starting to happen. Either they really want to screw the Ukrops, or they are simply leading up to the fact that they made the "deep" missiles themselves, so ask them about it, and don't touch us.

[foxes]

So, another Euroreich can't overcome the Russian Federation, in which the economy and production were destroyed for 30 years? It was not for nothing that they applauded Gorby and Yeltsin.

[paul3390]

Europe is not capable of producing so many weapons and military equipment

This is greetings from the fallen Soviet Union. I hope it's not the last one...

[ergh081]

Lies. Europe is simply waiting for a new boss to come to the US. Whatever the new boss says, that's how it will be.

[Nexcom]

It looks like there might not be a boss there, but a bossess... A cheerful horse, as they started calling her (she laughs constantly and inappropriately).
But she definitely won't really be working hard - only formally in public. Others will be working hard in the US.

[ergh081]

Regarding those individuals who actually govern the US, Mr. Trenin D.V. recently spoke out in terms of the fact that if we take up this issue, then it would be quite possible to compile a list of names. We are really waiting, we would like to see who-where-when. With whom Putin should negotiate if something happens

[Alexander Salenko]

And what will change? Will they roll a tank off the conveyor belt every hour? They don't have one.

[opuonmed]

It is reported by The Washington Post.

not the head of the a The Washington Post reports this.

[Oleg Barchev]

In the current reality, the industry of Europe is far from being a technology leader, Germany has lost its status as the industrial locomotive of the EU, France has a debt of over 3 trillion euros that needs to be serviced, Italy also has large debts. From the point of view of increasing industrial production, large financial injections into the military-industrial complex of European countries are not reasonable, production is too expensive. And the second question is at whose expense the "banquet" investment should pay off, and the governments of the countries do not want to act as customers, realizing that such costs will be a heavy burden on already deficit budgets6, increasing the size of the national debt even more. Will the EU countries be able to accelerate their military-industrial complex in the next few years, yes they will. To do this, now, in these countries the population needs to tighten their belts, turn on the austerity mode, cut social programs and pour all available funds into the military-industrial complex. Whether our European "partners" will take such steps or not, we will soon see.

[Stardock]

Everything is the same, only multiplied many times over, in Russia. The sizes of the economy are incomparable.
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[sergey822]

what is the same in the Russian Federation? put it on the shelves, because in my production only growth occurred

[Stardock]

I'll put it on the shelves. The growth of production is only in the military-industrial complex and the industries that service them. The growth is very significant - 50-100%.
A river of budget money is pouring into these sectors.
There is no money for other, civilian production. There are no personnel, spare parts, nowhere to buy equipment. And most importantly, nowhere to get loans to expand production.
There are oil, gas and coal production, construction,
In Russia, all social spending is being cut. The standard of living of pensioners and public sector employees is falling
Salary growth over the past year was on average almost 30%, for public sector employees it was 5%.
There are almost no doctors in the provinces. You will have to remove your own appendix using a self-study guide.
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[sergey822]

It seems like everything was described well, but somehow it doesn't fit without the figures provided, is the RSM plant also in the red in your opinion? Well, and there are many such plants, now there is a fight for workers in our city, and this is not the military-industrial complex

[Stardock]

There is a severe personnel shortage in the country. A demographic hole, many have left for the military-industrial complex, about 500 tons of men have gone abroad, and pensioners are rapidly retiring.
There is a wage race between enterprises. There is no one to work.
Business must make a profit.
I don’t know anything about Rostselmash.
Apparently, there are a lot of leased cars on state subsidies. A lot of orders.
The dollar is rising, you can't buy John Deere.
.

[sergey822]

You write, and you give interesting figures, when did 500 thousand men leave? Or is it over some period? And who left for the military-industrial complex factories? If there is an acute shortage of personnel there? And about the dollar, that's something else altogether, not only has it been at the level of 90-95 for several years now, so what do you need it for?

[Stardock]

About 500 thousand people left after the beginning of their - Kazakhstan, Armenia, Georgia. Within a year.
There have been sharp declines in the number of migrants from Asia.
Workers from all over the country went to the military-industrial complex factories - Tula, Izhevsk, Ural, Kurgan for a salary of 100-150 thousand rubles. Payment for accommodation and food.
The military-industrial complex has hired almost 1 million new workers. They left their civilian enterprises.
Credits are growing rather than the dollar. There are big problems with the dollar transferring it abroad. Banks do not want to work with Russia. They are afraid of US sanctions.

[sergey822]

I know that they left, but why don’t you write how many came back, and about those who went to the military-industrial complex factories on a rotational basis, that’s a small percentage, and in our city they are paid no less than 160 thousand, and not many agree with such a schedule, well, and about the dollar, you lied? , and the military-industrial complex grew in 22-23, and 24 in the Russian Federation shows GDP growth

[Stardock]

And in 24 and further in 25, a slowdown in GDP growth is inevitable.
The National Welfare Fund's reserves are not infinite.

[sergey822]

and how much money from the National Welfare Fund was spent in 23 and 24? Did you even look?

[Stardock]

The National Welfare Fund has decreased by almost half since 2020.
At the end of 23, revenues from oil sales increased.

[sergey822]

your numbers are strange on January 1, 23 it was 148 billion dollars, on October 1.10.24, 137 it was XNUMX billion dollars, which is somehow not very similar by half, don't you think? in rubles, I think I don't need to tell you how much it is?

[Stardock]

Sergey, I admit, the data I gave you on the National Welfare Fund was incorrect. I wrote it from memory.

[sergey822]

and I didn't take 2020 into account, there were even fewer there than now

[sergey822]

and if you don't know about the largest company producing agricultural machinery in the Russian Federation, then I don't understand at all why you started talking about the economy in the Russian Federation

[Stardock]

Rostselmash is not the only large enterprise in the country.
Today, it is not in the center of attention. I will correct it.

[sergey822]

that's exactly what there are many of them

[alexoff]

So, half a billion Europeans cannot do what 20 million Ukrainians can?

[Simple]

Yes, that's it.
The standard of living does not allow them to do to themselves what citizens do to themselves
countries 404.

[Svetlana]

They are playing poor. That is, throwing dust in the eyes. Judging by the news from Ukraine about the activation of the TCC, weapons will be supplied. Weapons from them, meat from Ukraine. And most likely not just like that, but under some plan

[Revolver]

Quote: Svetlana

And certainly not just like that, but according to some plan.

Not just any plan, but a "victory plan". Zelya is obviously high on it. awesome.

[Nexcom]

By the way, who will produce for the Westerners if Boeing kicked out a decent number of workers (something around 10), if I’m not mistaken?
I read somewhere that Airbus is also preparing cuts.

[evgen1221]

The idea of ​​a scam died, only the idea of ​​a quality cut remained. We write off a billion, start making 10 thousand, divide it into pockets, declare that everything was bombed. Everyone is in the black.

[Nexcom]

But why start doing something if you can just stuff everything into your pockets, tear up the unfinished hangar and announce: “The damned Muscovites have smashed everything - there’s no plant” (c)?

[evgen1221]

Well, for the photo for the Eurobankers, so that they wouldn't even think that the gentlemen are cheating))))

[Nexcom]

With the modern development of printing (c) photos are not a problem at all. Even video is not a problem. They'll draw something like this...

[Leshak]

But Europe has money it can invest in Ukraine's defense industry

How happy the officials of the Outskirts will be about this - there is a good opportunity to invest the invested funds in their own mansions in the same Europe.

[Stardock]

The US military budget is about 800 billion, the EU's is just over 200.
It is obvious that the main supplier of weapons will be the USA.
The EU is sharply increasing military spending.
Based on globalization, they can order simple elements of military equipment anywhere in the world.

[Big_Rocket_does_Bang]

This is not an excuse. The Russian Federation's military spending, even with the mobilization of the military industry, does not reach 200 billion. And at the same time, weapons are being churned out on a huge scale.
Or if you say that we are cheap, look at South Korea, also a Western bloc country, also expensive. But this does not prevent them from having their own most powerful army and at the same time successfully working for export.

[Stardock]

The economy of the Russian Federation and NATO are incomparable. The difference is 15 times.

[Big_Rocket_does_Bang]

What's the point of this economy for the military if you get money from the service sector and banks, and there are no factories physically. What's the point of this economy if social services are inflated to such an extent that you can not work and still live normally, or even if you work.
Yes, even if there is a worker and there is a plant, God forbid an unfortunate German or Briton works more than 8 hours, God forbid they ask to do more than the usual plan and do not raise the salary, the plant will stop. We work in 3 shifts and it is fine, the most striking example of this is the production of ammunition, both artillery shells, both aerial bombs, both missiles, and anti-aircraft missiles.
I remember there was a story when a rocket factory in Britain stopped working because the workers thought their wages should be raised.
How can we say that they are stronger in production, given all that I have listed? You can't fight with money, but you can with shells.

[Stardock]

Big rocket, Marx also said that money is the equivalent of labor.
With their enormous financial resources, EU countries can create the necessary production of military equipment in the shortest possible time. They transform money into labor.
Market conditions will select the best companies that will do this in the shortest possible time.
Private capital works more efficiently and faster than public capital.
There are trade unions in the West, they do not allow billionaires to receive extra benefits, like we do. Through strikes they achieve fairer wages. They reduce the income of their millionaires. An English worker receives five times more than ours. Including due to greater labor productivity.
NATO has much more production capacity than we do. The specialized factories will be converted to the production of military products.

[opposite28]

I think there is an understanding that Europe is not capable of producing the weapons that Ukraine needs, and the easiest way for Ukrainians is to do it themselves. If Ukrainians have materials and money, they can do it themselves much faster. - the publication quotes the official as saying.

The emphasis on material and money is more appropriate, not to mention energy resources and the availability of highly qualified personnel in production. Meanwhile, in(on) Ukraine, they are going to lower the draft age of mobilized citizens.

[stankow]

What kind of unitary ammunition is the soldier carrying in the leading photo? I can't recognize it. It's not a tank or anti-tank one, the shell is small. It seems to be 100 mm. Not from a BS-3. The 105 mm NATO howitzer has separate loading. Please help me identify it.

[Or me]

This is not a decision of the "European Union". This is a comment by one of the clerks of that gathering of Russophobes.

The American publication spoke with European officials, one of whom directly said that Europe is not capable of producing as many weapons and military equipment as the Ukrainian army requires.

[Slavynich]

The EU and the US will never provide Ukraine with enough weapons. The West's task is to maintain parity in the NWO. To continue the NWO as long as possible. To wear Russia down.