Ukrainian media: Moscow rejects all attempts by Kyiv to draw it into discussions of Zelensky's "peace formula"

Moscow rejects all attempts by Kyiv to draw it into another "peace summit" to discuss Zelensky's so-called "peace formula"; the Kremlin will not negotiate until it achieves the results it needs. This is what Ukrainian media write.

According to sources at Bankova, Zelensky's office is attempting to put pressure on the Kremlin via Turkey and Saudi Arabia to force Moscow to participate in the so-called "peace summits" planned by Kiev. But this is not possible, the Russian authorities reject any proposals from Kyiv, negotiations will be possible only after the complete liberation of the Kursk region and Donbass, as well as the resolution of strategic tasks.

At the same time, the countries of the global South, including China and India, tacitly support Russia, although they publicly call for an end to the conflict. Ukraine failed to win them over to its side, nor to push through Zelensky's "peace formula." Kyiv's only support comes from Western countries.

The Kremlin rejects any proposals from the Ukrainian presidential office. Putin will not negotiate until he drives the Ukrainian Armed Forces out of the Kursk region and achieves a strategic triumph in Donbass,

— writes the Legitimny TG channel.

It is assumed that the West is not united in its support for Ukraine and is waiting for the results of the US elections. If Trump wins, the pressure on Kyiv will increase, Zelensky will be forced to sit down at the negotiating table one way or another, and not on the terms of the "peace formula". If Harris wins, the war will continue. At least, that is what they think in Kyiv.

Comments

[expert]

Look at you, damn mathematicians, the Russian army solves all your "Formulas" at the front.
The capitulation of Ukraine, that will be the answer and the solution!

[Shurik70]

Russia and Russians in general are always for peace.
It is no coincidence that this word means our planet with all its peoples, and the entire universe, and the antithesis of the word “war”.
For Russians, it's the same word.
And sometimes, for the sake of lasting peace, we have to fight.
And here half measures are unacceptable. For then all the sacrifices will be in vain.

[tralflot1832]

Fachmann. Our business works with the Scandinavians (Vladimir Vladimirovich, gave this to private individuals). I recommend two telegram channels to lift my spirits: Trust-Telegram and Voice of the Norwegian Fjords. When I feel bad, I watch Trust-Telegram and Atomflot on VK. You can learn very amazing things in Trust-Telegram. Every month in Barentsburg for three days, Comrade Governor of Spitsbergen arrives in his office in Barentsburg, probably 5 stars. I follow this very closely. Barentsburg, the Pyramid is a symbol of victorious socialism in capitalist Russia. As soon as I get rich, I will immediately visit Barentsburg with their international bar, I want a 78th parallel cocktail and whale meat to order. The prices before SVO were even acceptable for me. From next year, I hope Comrade will succeed Neverova to launch a steamship for tourists from Russia on the Murmansk-Barentsburg line. I envy with white envy our people on Spitz (Norway).

[expert]

Wow, thank you!
Very interesting.
I'll definitely take a look at your link.
Have a nice day!

[tralflot1832]

Here are today's screenshots from Trust - Telegram.

[AllX_VahhaB]

Hmm... That's good. And I, sinful thing, thought we had already been forced out of Spitsbergen. I haven't heard anything for a long time...

[tralflot1832]

Of the 700 people living in Barentsburg and Pyramiden, only 400 are Russians. And who are the other 300? How to get there - these 300 make a request to the Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Norway refers them to the Governor of Spitsbergen. The Governor of Spitsbergen asks to consider candidates for residence at Arctic Coal. Foreigners are mainly scientists and those who are tired of the hustle and bustle of modern life and who have money for it. This year, the Norwegians allowed us to service our trawlers in Barentsburg. And judging by the fact that our refrigerators appear there quite often - a hole for the fish trade. In Barentsburg, the prices for many foodstuffs are Russian. But you can get a full "board" from Arctic Coal due to your position. The trust pays for everything and this applies not only to the managers, but also to their subordinates.

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: tralflot1832

In Barentsburg, prices for many foodstuffs are Russian.

And what does "Russian" mean? For example, in Rostov and Bilibino... both there and there the prices for food are Russian, by definition. But they differ, for example, on potatoes, by an order of magnitude! That is, by 10 times!!!

[Huarabey]

So Bilibino is located in one of the most inaccessible regions of Russia. Delivery there costs a lot of money.

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: Warabey

So Bilibino is located in one of the most inaccessible regions of Russia. Delivery there costs a lot of money.

Is Svalbard easily accessible?

[Huarabey]

Well, it's definitely easier than Bilibino)

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: Warabey

Well, it's definitely easier than Bilibino)

Well, to Bilibino either from Magadan by plane to Kiperveem, or by ship to Pevek, then by trucks to Bilibino. Now that they have built the Pevek-Bilibino\Bilibino-Peschanka power line (I put the project in nature ) there is a more or less acceptable road running along it...

[Huarabey]

So you were there? If so, then - I envy you))

[AllX_VahhaB]

In Chukotka? I was. I am a surveyor engineer by profession - I have traveled all over the country...

[tralflot1832]

Before SVO, sitting in one famous bar and trying signature dishes and polishing it all off with the famous cocktail "78th parallel" cost 5000 rubles. In Barentsburg and Pyramiden there is state provision and there is payment for housing and food, 30-40 thousand from your own pocket. In this case, most of it is eaten up by housing. All this is freely available. There is a set in Arktik-Ugol, every six months.

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: tralflot1832

Before SVO, sitting in one famous bar and trying signature dishes and polishing it all off with the famous cocktail "78th parallel" cost 5000 rubles.

Nothing at all! And with alcohol too... For free, you could say...

[tralflot1832]

I'll try to convey the atmosphere without violating the site rules. They even have their own site, you can book a table online.

[AllX_VahhaB]

Beauty! I'm really interested! The North is my thing! Can you send me more photos in a PM?

[tralflot1832]

No. But you can satisfy your curiosity. On Spitsbergen, the main Russian Arctic coal, the site Trust - telegram. Bar Red Bear Barentsburg Svalborg (Spitsbergen) search engine for these addresses will lead you where you need to go.

[AllX_VahhaB]

Official photos from websites are one thing, private ones are quite another, without embellishment...

[tralflot1832]

The photos are not mine, but from websites of those who were there and worked there. Of course, there are official ones, but there are very few of them. They have socialism there, however. Some work as complete families with children.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote from: AllX_VahhaB

In Barentsburg, prices for many foodstuffs are Russian.

What does Russian mean?

This means that these are not Norwegian prices. Ferstein? Chi nicht ferstein.

[tralflot1832]

A small fact. The first director of Arktik-Ugol, the father of the greatest ballerina Maya Plesetskaya, and she spent part of her childhood on Spitsbergen. She remembered this time with great love, although her father was repressed in 1937. She had a case, she went for a walk, a blizzard began, she was covered in snow, she was saved by a dog who found her in a snowdrift. As she wrote in her memoirs, wake me up at night and I will tell you what this dog was called. But I forgot.

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: tralflot1832

As she wrote in her memoirs, wake me up at night and I will tell you what this dog’s name was. But I forgot.

According to This dog's name was

[tralflot1832]

We buy products for Spitsbergen in Norway, cheaper than in Russia. But the tobacco is definitely from Russia, delivered via Kirkenes in a container.

[Slavynich]

And all the posts are on topic. Zelensky's formula for peace. Cool. You can chat in the cafe around the corner

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Slavynich

And all the posts are on topic. Zelensky's formula for peace. Cool. You can chat in the cafe around the corner

What is the formula, such is the discussion... What can the green worm offer? Blah blah blah?

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

"Moscow rejects all attempts by Kyiv to draw it into discussions of Zelensky's 'peace formula'*" —

We are also for peace!
— For peace after victory, not instead of victory...

[Irek]

When we return Odessa to its homeland in Russia, then maybe we’ll have a chat, but not with the expired product, but with its owner.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Irek

When we return Odessa to its homeland in Russia...

...and Nikolaev...and Kharkov...and...

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: ROSS 42

...and Nikolaev...and Kharkov...and...

Well, there is no way to return Odessa without Nikolaev...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Irek

then maybe we can chat, but not with the expired one, but with its owner.

Yes, when you read the reasoning of the Bandarlogs about the future of their country and the fate of Ukrainian citizens in the interpretation -

If Trump wins, the pressure on Kyiv will increase, Zelensky will be forced to sit down at the negotiating table one way or another, and not on the terms of the "peace formula." If Harris wins, the war will continue. At least, that's what they think in Kyiv.

, - then it becomes clear that today's Ukraine is a Western colony and it does not decide anything on its own. They have "gone to the dogs" below the baseboard.

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: Irek

but not with the expired product, but with its owner.

Who do you mean? Biden?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote from: AllX_VahhaB

Quote: Irek

but not with the expired product, but with its owner.

Who do you mean? Biden?

Owners Biden and Trump.

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: 30 vis

Owners Biden and Trump.

They do not participate in the negotiations...

[Xnumx vis]

Quote from: AllX_VahhaB

Quote: 30 vis

Owners Biden and Trump.

They do not participate in the negotiations...

They are leading these negotiations. Bandits and Trumps run to them to consult on every comma and dash.

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: 30 vis

They are leading these negotiations. Bandits and Trumps run to them to consult on every comma and dash.

What I mean is that it won't be possible to talk to them directly. Only if something directly threatens them, their interests, their power... And neither Ukraine, nor even Israel, are up to that...

[Or me]

"Ukramedia", and not only them, know everything perfectly well. All that remains is to fulfill OUR conditions.

The Kremlin will not negotiate until it achieves the results it needs. Ukrainian media write about this.

[Dirty Liar]

I haven't heard anything about Zelensky's "peace formula". He, like a fool with a written bag, rushes about with a "victory plan", and not with a "peace formula".

[tralflot1832]

Sergey Viktorovich tells the blockheads every day (he needs to be given milk every day for the harmful conditions and cigarettes for his nerves): When there are serious proposals from the West regarding Ukraine, then we'll talk. A cool touch on business with Finland.

[Ross xnumx]

Putin will not negotiate until he drives the Ukrainian Armed Forces out of the Kursk region and achieves a strategic triumph in Donbass,

— writes the Legitimny TG channel.
In fact, the conditions for ending the SVO were different: unconditional surrender with denazification and demilitarization, followed by a tribunal for this pack of Nazis...

[Huarabey]

Well, the conditions for ending the SVO don't change. And the "Legitimate" channel can wag its tongue as much as it wants.

[Clear]

Quote: ROSS 42

Putin will not negotiate until he drives the Ukrainian Armed Forces out of the Kursk region and achieves a strategic triumph in Donbass,

— writes the Legitimny TG channel.
In fact, the conditions for ending the SVO were different: unconditional surrender with denazification and demilitarization, followed by a tribunal for this pack of Nazis...

That's exactly it. I have doubts that, understanding their doom, today's liberal authorities and oligarchy are hoping for a miracle of negotiations on any terms of Ukraine and the West, and the rhetoric of the impossibility of negotiations is accompanied by the obligatory nuance "under these conditions."

[Boycott]

capitulation with denazification and demilitarization

A couple of days ago Lavrov stated exactly this publicly:

"The complete withdrawal of the Ukrainian Armed Forces from the DPR, LPR, Zaporizhia and Kherson regions; recognition of the territorial realities enshrined in the Russian Constitution; neutral, non-aligned, non-nuclear status of Ukraine; its demilitarization and denazification; ensuring the rights, freedoms and interests of Russian-speaking citizens; the lifting of all anti-Russian sanctions."

[kill the fascist]

It is too early to stop the SVO. Everyone understands that these summits are a trick. The first summit of the independent gays was held without Russia and they were very proud of it. Now even the drug-dead brains of the pianist have been convinced that all these summits without Russia are a collective fart in the conference hall. Now they want to invite them, but "there are no fools" to participate. And at the same time, after being spit in the face by Rammstein, Schlimazl Zelts is running around Europe with a plan for victory by FORCING Russia to peace. He does not understand that by striking peaceful cities with long-range weapons he will only embitter the population of the Russian Federation.

[TermNachTer]

The guys' intelligence and logic remained at the level of the "cormorants" from the 95th quarter of Kr. Rog)) - this is not quite the same level)))

[Ascetic]

Our formula for peace should, IMHO, be like this.
1. Military defeat or strategic defeat of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, further demilitarization to a level at which there will never again be a threat to Russia from the territory of the Ukrainian SSR.
2. Liberation of historical territories of Russia ("Novorossiya" and the left bank of the Dnieper), including Odessa and Nikolaev. Deprivation of BU of access to the sea and sea ports.
3. Neutral and non-aligned status of the remaining territories of the BU, ban on the deployment of foreign armed formations.
4. Restoration of the status of the Russian language and the rejection of discrimination on the basis of nationality. Complete denazification of government structures.
5. The coming to power in Kyiv of a leadership loyal to Russia. Here you have to try hard to create something like that, there are simply none among the elites.
Hence, the minimum task now is the complete liberation of Russian territory. Judging by the rate of progress, this is possible as early as next year / if we believe the "prophet" Apti/
"The immediate task" is to liberate the territories according to the "minimum task", plus liberate Odessa and Nikolaev (within the borders of the regions) with access to Transnistria. Depriving BU of access to the sea. This can be considered a victory with certain reservations. This will require additional reserves, because there is a real danger of NATO troops joining. They will hold on to Odessa with all their might and will not give it up so easily.


It is quite obvious that without the fulfillment of the "Immediate Task" the end of the war at this stage will rather become a prologue to the next war and may become the cause of a serious internal crisis, which always results from the absence of victory in a long war. Therefore, our slogan is only one - war until victory!

[Reptiloid]

put pressure on.....force

And after these words, dill they are smiling, that Russia is ignoring cocaine nonsense! Everything is as usual ---- and what about us?
Maybe I missed something, but I have never heard or read anything said out loud about Odessa. But I have always thought about it myself
.

NATO. They will hold on to Odessa with all their might and will not give it up so easily.

Yes, in recent years they have been studying and observing the capabilities of the Russian Federation in the SVO. They are preparing

[Ascetic]

Quote: Reptiloid

I have never heard or read anything that was said out loud about Odessa.

Quote: Ascetic

IMHO it should be like this.

This is purely my personal opinion and that of some military experts, except Putin's- Odessa is a Russian city nothing concrete was said. Apparently there is no such task in the near future, or the plans are carefully hidden

[Reptiloid]

Quite a long time ago, I don't remember whether it was here or not, Anatoly Wasserman wrote that he realized that Ukraine would be annexed piecemeal, that it would be the turn of his favorite city, Odessa. That it was impossible to do without it! Yes, his article was here, when he received Russian citizenship. And what year?
And there was a Ukrainian communist on this site before Alexander Green. The last time he was published was in 2021, then he stopped, at an age. Odessa resident. He helped people during a fire, he said that Odessa will enter the Russian Federation What else?

Ascetic ---
the end of the war at this stage will be a prologue to the next war

[Emperor_Alive]

1. Military defeat or strategic defeat of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, further demilitarization to a level at which there will never again be a threat to Russia from the territory of the Ukrainian Armed Forces
2. Liberation of historical territories of Russia ("Novorossiya" and the left bank of the Dnieper), including Odessa and Nikolaev. Deprivation of BU of access to the sea and sea ports.
3. Neutral and non-aligned status of the remaining territories of the BU, ban on the deployment of foreign armed formations.
4. Restoration of the status of the Russian language and the rejection of discrimination on the basis of nationality. Complete denazification of government structures.
5. The coming to power in Kyiv of a leadership loyal to Russia. Here you have to try hard to create something like that, there are simply none among the elites.

In the Dnepropetrovsk and especially in the Zhitomir region there are large deposits of titanium.
We must not give them to our strategic enemies!

[Ascetic]

[quote=Imperor_Alive]In the Dnepropetrovsk and especially in the Zhitomir region there are large deposits of titanium.[/quote]
There are about forty titanium deposits there, not only in these regions. Of the active deposits, the largest are Samotkanskoye in the Dnepropetrovsk region in the vicinity of the city of Volnogorsk (Volnogorsk Mining and Processing Plant), as well as Stremigorodskoye and Irshanskoye deposits in the Zhitomir region, and the Selishchansky site in the same region.
Ukraine has about 20% of the world's recorded reserves of titanium ores, the total volume of balance reserves of titanium ores as of January 1, 2022 amounted to 40,2 million cubic meters
The world center of titanium mining is located in the UralsBefore the SVO, Europeans and Americans received titanium from there for their aircraft construction, laser production and other needs.
And now they have problems with it. Titanium is a rare metal. And that is why the US has become so interested in its Ukrainian deposits, which they had not paid much attention to before.
By the way, in the first months of the SVO, Russian troops recaptured at least two titanium ore deposits. And in Zaporozhye there is a titanium-magnesium plant.
The only producer of titanium sponge in Europe.
In the world, only five countries actively produce titanium sponge: China, Russia, Kazakhstan, Japan and Ukraine.
[quote][quote]A January 28, 2023, Newsweek magazine article reported: “An aggressive effort is underway in the United States and allied countries to identify, develop and exploit Ukraine’s vast resources of a key metal [titanium], which are critical to the West’s most advanced military technologies that will form the basis of future deterrence against Russia and China.” The article reported: "If Ukraine wins, the United States and its allies will be in a unique position to create a new titanium supply channel."/ quote] [/ quote]

[Emperor_Alive]

The article states: “If Ukraine wins, the US and its allies will be in a unique position to create a new titanium supply channel.”

Absolutely right. And here's what our famous geologist adds

"The role of placer deposits in providing strategic types of mineral raw materials to Russia at the present stage"

https://geowebinar.com/library/rol_rossypnyh_mestorojdeniy_v_obespechenii_strategicheskih_vidov_mineralnogo_syrya_rossii_na_sovremennom_etape

Here's a little discussion:
https://vk.com/wall11268781_623

Alexander Lalomov:
- There are many deposits, but until 2022 titanium raw materials were transported from Ukraine. Now they have woken up

- In short, we need to return our titanium to Ukraine.

Alexander Lalomov:
- This is probably the most reliable option

- this means taking, at a minimum, the Dnepropetrovsk region, as far as I understand?

Alexander Lalomov:
- And also Zhitomirskaya - there is the Irshinskoye deposit, Crimean Titan works on its raw materials

[svp67]

The Kremlin rejects any proposals from the Ukrainian presidential office. Putin will not negotiate until he drives the Ukrainian Armed Forces out of the Kursk region and achieves a strategic triumph in Donbass,
— writes the Legitimny TG channel.

They all know, but they don’t want to understand, because the desire to grab as much as possible and run away has simply “clouded their minds.”

[rocket757]

And what's wrong?
Were they hoping that someone would force the Russian leadership to discuss all sorts of nonsense?
They should have realized long ago that the lip-rolling machine was prescribed to them long ago and delivered, even, and the fact that they did not bother to use it is their omission and no one else's.

[Ascetic]

Quote: rocket757

Were they hoping that someone would force the Russian leadership to discuss all sorts of nonsense?

"Zelensky formula" is not perceived by Russia because this is our capitulation; any ideas in the West about freezing according to the Korean or German scenario are unacceptable in principle
also expressed by the President and the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Russia in July of this year minimum requirements to Ukraine and the West just to start negotiations are obviously not accepted and will not be accepted by Kiev and NATO. Moreover, there will be no negotiations in the literal sense, as was even the case in Istanbul in 2022: all parties understand the word "negotiations" as acceptance of the enemy's capitulation, but only Moscow says this directly, explaining that Negotiations are a way to achieve the goals of the NDC peacefully. And the goals are known to everyone.

[rocket757]

Depending on how you look at it... our giraffe is big, he can see better!
However, judging by the statements of our officials, this time they decided to bring the matter to an end.
In general, we will see.

[Reptiloid]

This time they decided to see the matter through to the end

It would be nice if it were so! Victor, I feel uneasy when I see, for example, some stupid or criminal waste. This, in my opinion, delays the achievement of the SVO goals. Or some concessions to large globalist programs .... a lot of things flash by and doubts arise about "bringing it to the end". After all, how many times have previous achievements been nullified in our country?

[rocket757]

It is obvious that not everything happens as we would like.
For what reasons does this happen... well, for different reasons.
The boom hopes that there will be significantly more positive and necessary things than negative factors and wrong deeds.

[Reptiloid]

When I see huge housing construction, for which "valuable specialists" are brought in in droves, nothing encouraging comes to mind. Especially when they themselves settle in these houses with preferential mortgages.
Or when city celebrations last for almost half a year

[rocket757]

There are negative phenomena and more than one...
The question is, what will the authorities do now and what will follow?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: rocket757

Were they hoping that someone would force the Russian leadership to discuss all sorts of nonsense?

Their experience of crossing "red lines" suggested this particular negotiating tactic. A saying has been coined about some of the various members of the Russian leadership:
"Burnt child dreads the fire"
Ah, how great it was initially:

If a fight is inevitable, strike first. - 50 years ago, the Leningrad street taught me one rule: if a fight is inevitable, you have to hit first, - the president said about the operation in Syria. Vladimir Vladimirovich said this phrase in October 2015. This statement perfectly characterizes Putin's readiness to defend Russia's interests. The reaction to the phrase from Western politicians was obvious - the president was portrayed as an aggressor.

And it was:

Wet in the toilet Perhaps Putin's most famous phrase comes from the already distant 1999. He was not yet president then, but this statement was remembered for a long time by both politicians and the people. The full phrase sounds like this: "We will pursue terrorists everywhere: at the airport - at the airport, that means, you will excuse me, if we catch them in the toilet - we will also soak them in the toilet, in the end. That's it, the issue is finally closed." Vladimir Putin said it on September 24, 1999, during a press conference in Astana.

It is up to you, gentlemen, to judge whether these statements have stood the test of time...
Judging by Zelensky's away sessions, no one is going to get him wet...

[rocket757]

Despite the fact that things are going better for us now than they were yesterday, the day before yesterday, there are still reasons, there are grounds for which, I repeat, that... WE WILL WATCH!

[Montezuma]

The commentators who were constantly talking about the upcoming deals, the interests of respected Western partners, the lack of Faberge by some, and other things in the same spirit have disappeared somewhere. Perhaps the magnetic storms had an effect on them.

[Comrade Beria]

Zelensky's office is attempting to pressure the Kremlin through Turkey and Saudi Arabia to force Moscow to participate in Kiev-planned so-called "peace summits"

Let them call the Russian "opposition" headed by its leader Yulia Navalnaya. Just let them set the table more richly, and many "oppositionists" are underfed and living in the Garden of Eden.

[Sergey Prutkov55]

Chernigov and Putivl, the Sumy land were returned to Rus' under Ivan III in the 15th century. They were not annexed under Khmelnitsky. Why did the Chubs take our lands with them when they left Russia?

[foxes]

India is "supporting" Russia in a great way, stupidly profiting from this conflict. Including supplying shells to the Ukrainian Armed Forces, which are killing our people. This is the kind of support from the "global South".

[DimaSkyy]

Why should India support Russia?
India supports India by earning from profitable projects

[Tarasios]

All of Zelensky's "formulas" and "plans" have a simple essence - "scamming suckers". Both Russia and the West. And self-promotion on these "peace initiatives", how could it be without it. Nothing strange that no one is buying it. The evil and impudent clown does not calm down...

[Sergey Prutkov55]

Katz suggests surrendering? Why do we need this?