Nagorno-Karabakh: sad prospects

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Back in February 1988, a session of the people's deputies of the regional Council of the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region accepted a petition to resubmit autonomy from the Azerbaijani SSR to the Armenian SSR. Starting within the framework of the Soviet Union, the political and legal dispute soon turned into a stage of fierce armed conflict, the active phase of which ended in 1994 with an armistice with the mediation of the Russian Federation. But the confrontation on the border around the unrecognized republic continues to this day.

The question of the political and legal status of Nagorno-Karabakh is today the key (although far from the only) point of disagreement between Baku and Yerevan, which no “Madrid principles” and “compromise” legal formulations can overcome. In short, after 25 years, the Karabakh issue is still far from being resolved, being the subject of constant “concerns” of the OSCE Minsk Group consisting of Russia, the USA and France.

The policy of active mediation in the settlement of conflicts in the CIS space is fixed in the concept of the foreign policy of the Russian Federation, approved by the President of the Russian Federation 12 in February 2013.

Over the past two decades, the regional balance has undergone significant transformation.

FOURTH CENTURY WITHOUT CHANGES

A landmark omen of recent times are the analytical calculations of Western “think tanks”, which have a distinctly anti-Russian and anti-Iranian orientation. Perhaps such conclusions are a reaction to the increased attention of Moscow and Tehran to their (southern and northern), respectively. Nevertheless, the role of Turkey, Georgia, as well as the USA, Great Britain, Israel, the European Union, NATO and, possibly, a number of transnational players is also important. The strength of some of them, including potential means of force, may exceed the capabilities of other nation states. Each of these forces has its own, sometimes significantly different interests. Thus, the nuances of the approaches of various parties, as well as the dynamics of their relationships with each other, as well as each of them - with Baku, Yerevan and Stepanakert, virtually exclude the possibility of a "breakthrough" in resolving the conflict and, therefore, make the task of maintaining the status quo more urgent and the reproduction of the military-political balance of the parties. This is the medium term main guarantee of a fragile peace in the South Caucasus.

Now the advantage of one of the parties, allowing it to count on quick success as a result of a transient military operation, is ruled out. At the same time, armed provocations, accompanied by human casualties, periodically occurred over decades, becoming especially disturbing in the last two to three years. The situation is aggravated by xenophobic rhetoric, a permanent arms race and potential internal instability. This increases the temptation to redirect the internal discontent of the population, fueled by the ghost of the "Arab spring", into the mainstream of the struggle against the "external enemy." The liberation and heroization of Ramil Safarov made a particularly strong resonance in Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh. And already in 2013 - noisy persecution of the famous writer Akram Aylisli, who touched upon the well-known in his novel "Stone Dreams" historical facts of anti-Armenian pogroms in the Nakhchivan region at the beginning of the last century and in Baku at the end of the 2012th century. All this caused serious damage to the negotiation process and made the key task of establishing trust between the warring parties even more unrealizable. In an interview with the Wall Street Journal in November XNUMX, Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan emphasized that Azerbaijan was waiting for a convenient moment to resume hostilities.

As a result of the December meeting of the OSCE Ministerial Council in Dublin, Baku and Yerevan did not manage to reach the adoption of a mutually acceptable document reflecting the three basic principles for resolving the conflict, including the principle of non-use of force in resolving controversial issues. It is not difficult to predict that the fate of other initiatives will have a sad character, despite the fact that peacekeeping efforts through civil society, gaining support both in the West and in Russia, can initially have only limited, local success. The military doctrine of Azerbaijan presented back in 2010 to the year reflects the maximalist attitudes of the country's leadership on resolving the conflict according to the principle “all at once”, which does not imply any other way than the use of force. “Owing to the continued occupation of part of the territory of Azerbaijan by Armenia and the refusal to liberate the occupied lands as part of the political settlement of the problem, Azerbaijan reserves the right to use all necessary means, including military force, in accordance with the norms and principles of international law to restore its territorial integrity "- noted in the document. And the words, including the numerous statements of high-ranking officials, obviously do not diverge with deeds.

In February 2013, the Azerbaijani army conducted regular large-scale exercises near the borders with Nagorno-Karabakh. The practice of such teachings has long been regular. It is worth noting that in October last year, the Armenian side also conducted large-scale exercises in the region. At the same time, the upcoming two-month military gathering of reserve officers was announced in Baku. There were proposals to introduce some kind of “special military regime in limited territories”, in connection with which changes and additions can be made to the Law “On Martial Law”.

OIL DIPLOMACY

At the same time, Baku is trying to use so-called oil diplomacy to resolve the issue in its favor, which, however, succeeds in getting worse and worse. And it is not surprising - it is strange to assume that a relatively small state, even if it possesses certain energy resources - the number and dynamics of extraction of which are also debatable - will be able to use them for a long time as a lever of pressure on countries such as the United States or Russia. Especially against the background of a gradual decline in oil and gas production, which seems to have taken shape in a steady trend. Thus, according to estimates of the State Statistics Committee of Azerbaijan, the corresponding figures, compared to the same period last year, decreased by 2,6% for oil and by 6,2% for gas.

Meanwhile, back in the middle of 90, Heydar Aliyev expressed the hope that the interest of the West in the energy resources of his country would play in the Karabakh issue on the side of Baku. The original strategy of the international consortium, which included American, European and even Russian companies, corresponded to the same strategy. However, hopes for a close link between the development of energy deposits and Baku’s preferred solution to the Karabakh conflict had only a minor effect. Despite individual statements by biased experts, in general, neither the European Union nor the United States increased their support for Baku in the Minsk process. According to some researchers, as the strategy of a diplomatic victory over Armenia decreases with the hands of the great powers interested in oil, Baku’s gaze turned towards Moscow, which became especially noticeable in 2009 – 2011.

Despite the fact that Ukraine was the main partner, Russia also holds a significant share in the procurement of armaments by Azerbaijan. So, in 2010, Russia issued a license to the Ministry of Defense Industry of Azerbaijan to produce 120 AK-74M assault rifles. Back in 2006, 62 were purchased from Russia tank T-72, in 2011 - T-90S tanks, in 2007 - 24 BTR-80A, in 2012 - two Scorpion LSHA armored personnel carriers and two - LSA-B Scorpion armored vehicles, as well as guided anti-tank missile systems of the type " Cornet". In addition, in 2008, Russia and Azerbaijan signed contracts for the purchase of six Mi-17V1 helicopters, in 2009 - two Ka-32A and 40 Mi-17V1, in 2010 - four Ka-32PS, 24 Mi-35M, 20 Mi-17V1 and one Mi-24 helicopter simulator. The total amount of military contacts with Russia is estimated at more than $ 1,6 billion.

A special resonance was caused by the delivery of anti-aircraft missile systems C-300 PMU-2 “Favorit” to Azerbaijan (a multichannel long-range system capable of accompanying up to 100 targets at the same time), which significantly increased the combat capability of air defense systems of this country. According to the estimates of the Armenian side, the leadership of Russia in the person of the then President Dmitry Medvedev and the head of the military department Anatoly Serdyukov did not agree on this deal with the leadership of Armenia or ignored his point of view. In this regard, it is not at all surprising that the negotiations initiated by Dmitry Medvedev and his colleagues from Armenia and Azerbaijan, initiated and accompanied by a noisy public relations (the apotheosis of which was the predictable failure of the Kazan meeting in the summer of 2011) ended in a loud failure. In addition, in the dialogue of Baku with the United States and NATO, which was never interrupted, the “Russian card” was only an auxiliary element, and this fact could be ignored unless the most naive statesmen.

EXTERNAL FORCES OF CONFLICT

In recent months, some new accents have emerged in the regional dynamics in the form of an emerging warming in Russian-Georgian relations, the consequence of which could be the weakening of the communication blockade of Armenia and the further strengthening of ties between Yerevan and Tehran. Not forgotten and plans for the construction of the railway between the two neighboring countries. Baku seeks to compensate for this by diversifying ties at the expense of some CSTO members: Belarus, a number of Central Asian states, as well as the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (the Organization of the Islamic Conference before 2011) and the Non-Aligned Movement.

Of course, external forces may exert restraining pressure on the Azerbaijani leadership, however, keeping Baku from increasing its military potential is not part of their task, conflicting with the interests of various groups, including geopolitical adventurers who are inclined to experiment. The consequences of one of these undertakings the world watched in August 2008 of the year. By the way, Georgia’s attack on South Ossetia was preceded by a tumultuous “romance” between Tbilisi and Tel Aviv in the sphere of military-technical cooperation. Meanwhile, according to the World Trade Analysis Center weapons, to which one of the Azerbaijani websites refers, only in 2010-2011 did Israeli companies modernize the T-72 tanks and BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles in service with the Azerbaijani army. In addition, Baku purchased from Israel nine units of the Links rocket fire system, 120-mm Cardom mortars, Spike-SR / LR MANPADS, unmanned aerial vehicles: 16 Aerostar units, two Hermes-450, 16 Heron-1, 16 Orbiter- 2M, as well as nine Barak-8 systems (75 missiles), two EL / M-2080 Gren Pine air defense systems. On the basis of an Israeli license, 30 drones Aerostar and 30 Orbiter-2M drones.

Strengthening the military and logistic presence of Israel and the United States in Azerbaijan, which has ceased to be a secret in recent years, cannot but worry Moscow not only as a co-chair of the OSCE Minsk Group, but also as a country trying to prevent the escalation of tension around Iran. The “prelude” to the “peacekeeping” operation of the United States, which pursues far-reaching goals, may be the aggravation of the situation in the region of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. This exacerbation can be used as a pretext for radical US action, perhaps without UN sanction. As far as can be judged, the necessary infrastructure for the operational redeployment of “peacekeeping contingents” already exists in the form of a network of “aerodromes of jumping” and associated logistic infrastructure. In this context, the issue of preparations for the operation of the airport near Stepanakert has also been increasingly raised recently. The exchange of expert groups with NATO and the United States has long been a regular one. Information appears about the design of the base for the Azerbaijani Navy, fully equipped to NATO standards, and some other steps in the framework of the programs for “protecting global energy infrastructures,” including the possible “temporary deployment” of at least some of the NATO troops being withdrawn from Afghanistan in Azerbaijan, ” can not affect the regional balance of power.

Thus, it is not surprising that after Baku refused to prolong the lease agreement for the Gabala radar station on mutually acceptable terms, the Russian side decided to cancel the deal on the sale of the third division of the Favorite system to Azerbaijan. At the same time, steps were taken to strengthen military-political contacts with the Republic of Armenia, which cannot but have a positive effect on the situation around Nagorno-Karabakh. “After the withdrawal of the Qabala radar station, military and political sentiments in Moscow can powerfully prevail over the interests of the defense business, and in Armenia, as well as in Karabakh, more powerful Russian military means can appear. Moreover, taking into account the deployment of Patriot complexes in Turkey, aimed against Iran and Russia, ”said Alexander Knyazev, a well-known Russian political scientist and orientalist, in this regard.

Nagorno-Karabakh: sad prospectsOccasional skirmishes along the front line force the army of Nagorno-Karabakh to be on high alert.

GABALA PULSE

The recent visit to Yerevan of Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and CSTO Secretary General Nikolai Bordyuzha is part of the work to implement the protocol on the renewal of the Russian military base in Armenia and the expansion of its area of ​​responsibility. According to the changed tasks of the base and the protocol of the Russian Federation, it should provide the Armed Forces of Armenia with modern weapons. During the visit to Armenia of the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia Valery Gerasimov, the state and prospects of bilateral military and military-technical cooperation, as well as issues related to security in the Caucasus, were reviewed. At all meetings, positive dynamics in strengthening cooperation between the defense ministries of the two countries were noted and mutual interest in its further development was expressed. Gerasimov visited the 102 Russian military base located in Gyumri, where he checked the organization of combat training, the condition of the training material base and the infrastructure of the formation, the conditions of service and life of the military personnel. In accordance with the protocol prolonged in 2009 and the expansion of the base’s area of ​​responsibility, the troops must be given corresponding tasks. In particular, they include ensuring the security of the Armenian-Azerbaijani border.

In Yerevan, it is assumed that a series of visits to Yerevan by key figures of the Russian military leadership suggests that Moscow is ready to be more attentive to its only military and political ally in the South Caucasus region and to listen more to Armenia’s views on planning its military policy in the south. direction. And at the same time it will become a deterrent for hotheads who do not want to part with plans to involve the Caucasus region in large-scale military conflicts and geopolitical upheavals.

Resolving the conflict, in addition to resolving the issue of the status of Nagorno-Karabakh, involves ensuring the security of its people. And this simple thought seems to be taking hold of the minds of intermediaries and all those who are interested in long-term peace and stability in the region. In Stepanakert they emphasize that permanent threats to solve the problem by military means have lost their original character, becoming a kind of ritual for the Azerbaijani leadership, and contradict the calls of mediators to prepare the population of the parties to the conflict for peace. However, the ritual nature of these threats is supported by large-scale purchases of new types of weapons. Back in the spring of 2010, the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute published an expert report on military spending in the South Caucasus republics. The author of the document, Paul Holt, came to a very definite conclusion: the emphasis of Baku on the acquisition of new models of ground-based equipment and UAVs leaves little doubt about the essence of the preparation of the operation to return "lost territories".

Accordingly, military construction is still an important priority of state policy in Nagorno-Karabakh, which is a single space in the security sphere with the Republic of Armenia. In addition to an extensive system of fortifications in the main areas of a possible breakthrough, a multi-level air defense system, some facets of which were represented in the open press, became a means of counteracting offensive arms purchased by Azerbaijan. So, we are talking about several divisions of C-300PT-1 air defense systems around Yerevan, each of which contains 12 launchers with the appropriate infrastructure. At least two large-mobility C-300PS air defense systems cover the eastern borders of Armenia and a large part of Nagorno-Karabakh. And this is not counting a significant number of other types of air defense missile systems and anti-aircraft installations, both received after the collapse of the USSR, and acquired and upgraded in the subsequent period by the forces of the local military industrial complex.

The Osa-AKM complex, designed to counter helicopters and attack aircraft, underwent the most profound improvement. aviation on the front line. It should also be noted that there are two S-300V batteries, which have significant striking power and are an effective air defense system, as well as the air defense system of Nagorno-Karabakh, which is a single unit with the Armenian air defense system. Thus, there is no possibility of irreparable damage to the infrastructure of Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh, despite the serious aviation (multipurpose fighters, fighter-interceptors, front-line bombers, attack aircraft, attack helicopters, drones) and missile (systems "Tochka-U", "Smerch", Israeli MLRS Lynx) threat. And given the tactics of "active defense", which, it seems, will be adhered to by Yerevan and Stepanakert, any attempt to "blitzkrieg" is fraught with unpredictable consequences.

SEASON RELATIONSHIPS OF RELATIONS

Last year, quite a large-scale and complex work was done in Nagorno-Karabakh, including increasing moral and psychological readiness to repel external attacks, improve management, expand tactical capabilities, and prepare mobilization reserves. Communication ties between Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh are being strengthened. According to NKR President Bako Sahakyan, special attention was paid to the process of strengthening the front line, creating engineering structures, which allowed servicemen on combat duty to effectively counteract the destructive actions of the enemy.

According to the Karabakh military, the number of ceasefire violations from the opposite side in 2012 by 2 thousand exceeded the same indicator of 2011 of the year. Another surge of tension was recorded in mid-February, on the eve of the presidential elections in Armenia. Something similar has already happened on the eve of the 2008 presidential election of the year. It can be assumed that attempts to influence the internal political situation in the republic in the direction of its destabilization through controlled tension on the eastern frontiers will be made in the future. And therefore, it is quite logical that the military leadership of Nagorno-Karabakh gives the servicemen on an advanced installation “to constantly oppose the enemy and not allow him to be in the role of dominant in any sector”.

Taking into account the correlation of forces, features of the terrain, and some other factors, the Karabakh party cannot afford the “luxury” not to respond to enemy attacks. And such an answer is in any case given - in parallel, the reaction of diplomats, who, according to their duty, should emphasize the need to continue the negotiation process. According to NKR Minister of Defense Movses Hakobian, in 2012, the enemy only in one of seven cases managed to harm the Karabakh military personnel. In the remaining episodes, the intruders were able to find out in time and with losses to reject to their original positions. The number of sniper fire victims has also decreased, so the refusal of the Azerbaijani side to withdraw snipers from the contact line instead of increasing psychological pressure on the Armenian side showed once again who is seeking to strengthen confidence-building measures and who is not.

PROBLEMS OF BAKU AS SEE THEIR NEIGHBORS

The presidential elections in Armenia were held in an environment of relative stability and predictability, although, of course, the acute socio-economic problems have not gone away and will have to be resolved. But Azerbaijan is just entering the election period, which, apparently, can be very difficult. In his recent speeches, President Ilham Aliyev not only talks about grandiose accomplishments, but also touches on moral issues, criticizing the behavior of individual officials and oh-offs. Last year's riots in Guba and the recent in Ismayilli, the tough actions of the authorities to suppress protests cannot hide the crisis phenomena fueling protest moods, especially in the regions outside of relatively prosperous Baku.

Interesting data is provided by the SCC of the republic: in comparison with 2011, last year import of wheat (by 24,1%), animal and vegetable fats (by 21%), butter (by 17,5%) increased. In addition, imports of fruits and vegetables (by 13,28%), as well as sugar (by 10,4%) flourished. This may indicate a certain stagnation of the non-oil sector of the republic, which is offset by increased imports.

The situation in the army is also becoming the object of close attention from the "profile" non-governmental organizations. Thus, the head of the Association of Reserve Officers Yashar Jafarli in an open letter to members of parliament notes that “despite the fact that large sums were allocated from the state budget for military needs, this factor did not have a positive impact on the negative atmosphere in military units”. The army needs fundamental reforms. The statistics of crimes in the army in recent years has become increasingly depressing. On the other hand, the number of dismissed officers is growing “on their own will” or “due to non-compliance with official duties”. Difficult to solve the problem of providing housing for officers who have served in the 15 army for more than 10 years.

The acute shortage of justice is a distinctive feature of the entire post-Soviet space, and the activation of radical religious organizations and groups can be an additional factor exacerbating the situation. It is they who, as the practice of a number of countries in the Middle East shows, are able to effectively manipulate various strata of citizens who are dissatisfied with the existing state of affairs. All of this, combined with the continued interest in Azerbaijan and the post-Soviet space as a whole, of extra-regional players, actualizes the existing challenges and threats, including the “defrosting” of regional conflicts, which they will definitely try to direct against Russia and its interests.

WHEN WORDS DO NOT HELP YOU

One can argue for a long time about the crisis of the “American model of the world”, about the progressive and forced peaceableness and almost the “pro-Iranian sympathies” of Obama, Highgel and Kerry. However, it should not be forgotten that Obama’s first term was marked by the Libyan and Syrian tragedies, in which tens of thousands of people died. The death of people continues at the present time. Any politician acts primarily in the interests of his country; his personal attitude to this or that dialogue partner may, of course, leave a certain imprint on his personal foreign policy style, but no more. For example, the personal contacts of the US Secretary of State with the Syrian President do not in any way disavow Washington’s consistent policy of supporting Syrian mercenaries and terrorists, or Bashar Assad’s withdrawal from the chaos and fragmentation of this state.

The observer of the Baku newspaper Zerkalo, Rauf Mirkadyrov, draws attention to John Kerry’s first press conference, which confirms assumptions about the worsening situation around Iran’s nuclear program as the new administration of Obama’s second presidential term is formed. Demanding Tehran to seriously prepare for the upcoming talks, Kerry stressed that Iran "must prove to the world community the peaceful nature of its nuclear program." Otherwise, according to this "pigeon", the US administration does not rule out taking any measures, including the military, to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. Similar statements can be easily found in the “pro-Iranian” Chuck Haygel and other high-ranking functionaries. The report of the “expert group,” according to which “by the middle of 2014, Iran will have enriched uranium enough to produce one or more nuclear bombs” appeared at the right time.

Consequently, we can safely say that the threat of large-scale provocations against Iran (in which the former Soviet Transcaucasia may be directly involved) did not disappear anywhere. Consequently, Moscow’s efforts to strengthen its presence in the Caucasus, the actualization of complex and multi-level relations with Yerevan and Tehran, the dialogue with the new Georgian leadership, while simultaneously containing destructive forces, will all remain valid for a long time.

A departure from the brink of direct military confrontation would allow the parties to the conflict to redirect much-needed resources to social and economic development, including the creation of prerequisites for unleashing the most difficult nodes through dialogue, rather than through blackmail and threats. Unfortunately, the current dynamics of events gives extremely few reasons for optimism.
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  1. +32
    8 March 2013 12: 41
    When people are tired of fighting, they
    tired of the war, they got together and came with
    a claim to God: how does He allow war?
    The Lord asked them: who is fighting? People replied:
    We. “Then why did you come to Me?”
    1. Melchakov
      +18
      8 March 2013 13: 18
      Tersky,
      As someone smart said, people will get tired of holidays and fun before they get tired of war. In my opinion.
      1. Ruslan80
        0
        9 March 2013 17: 08
        People get tired of sleeping, loving, singing and dancing faster than fighting - Homer
    2. +4
      8 March 2013 15: 35
      Quote: Tersky
      Then why did you come to Me?


      Good health Vitya,

      It’s good that you came, there will be something to think about - whose war is it for example?
      1. +3
        8 March 2013 16: 10
        Quote: Vadivak
        It's good that you came, there will be something to think about

        And you won’t get sick, Vadim! I will continue the thought - if at that moment there is still something left to think about.
        1. +3
          8 March 2013 19: 01
          Khrushchev and Crimea are about the same.
          1. 755962
            +4
            9 March 2013 15: 58
            I went through those events in 88-90 in Karabakh....As part of military unit 5402...War is scary..
  2. lechatormosis
    +10
    8 March 2013 13: 04
    This conflict is currently considered unsolvable.
    Neither side wants to concede to each other in anything.
    A possible solution to the Kosovo scenario is when a third party intervenes in the conflict with the ensuing consequences.
    I really don’t want this to be RUSSIA.
    Our soldiers and officers should not die for the interests of others.
    1. Melchakov
      +13
      8 March 2013 13: 19
      Quote: lehatormoz
      Our soldiers and officers should not die for the interests of others.

      Not really. Transcaucasia is our interests. Who wants to see Georgia, Azerbaijan and destroyed Armenia as part of NATO?!
      1. lechatormosis
        +7
        8 March 2013 14: 01
        IN GEORGIA RUSSIA is considered an occupier - was it worth it for Russian soldiers to defend GEORGIA ABOUT TURKEY after that.
        In ARMENIA and AZERBAJAN, the political leadership is also not angels; there is no guarantee that they WILL NOT DECLARE RUSSIA AN OCCUPANT.
        1. +3
          8 March 2013 21: 33
          Armenia has nowhere to go; in any case, it needs to stay closer to Russia. And the Georgians, if the Turks attack, and this is quite likely, if they crush Syria, they will have to bow to Russia, since the Amers will most likely leave the Turks as a puppet. This has always happened in history, only among the British and French. For example Crimea. Yes
          1. Region65
            +1
            9 March 2013 19: 20
            Historically, Armenia has always stayed closer to Russia - in the wars with Turkey, in the wars with G.G, and even in Chechnya, volunteers from Armenia went to fight on the side of Russia....so there are no options here))0 and indeed - Armenia - the most ancient Christian country))))) where would it be without us and us without them?:)))))) like in the movies - Ashot, who was I. Christ? Armenian!" as an Armenian? well, who was the Virgin Mary? a Jew! well, that means I. Christ was who???? an Armenian....:))))
        2. Gari
          +1
          9 March 2013 02: 48
          In Georgia and Azerbaijan, Russian troops were expelled, and in Armenia, the Agreement on the operation of the base was concluded for a period of 25 years, and was extended for another 49 years (until 2044) during the visit of Russian President D. A. Medvedev to Armenia in 2010. and We still have Russian Border Troops
    2. Piterkras
      +15
      8 March 2013 13: 25
      When Israel attacks Iran, then Azerbaijan and Turkey will attack Armenia. And we will no longer fight virtually, but very realistically. After all, there is a Gyumri base in Armenia.
      1. Melchakov
        +8
        8 March 2013 13: 30
        Quote: piterkras
        When Israel attacks Iran

        Ha ha ha ha. He will never attack alone, only together with a coalition led by the United States. And besides, it is necessary for Russia and China to finally give up and give up on Iran.
      2. +4
        8 March 2013 21: 38
        Azerbaijan is unlikely to fight with Armenia, because our military base is located there, and this will inevitably lead to a large-scale war, in which both Azeris and Armenians could suffer the most.
        1. Gari
          +2
          9 March 2013 02: 50
          Be calm against... We have enough of our own troops, we have already fought with them without your help, read the Internet if you are interested, the Turks are a different matter
          1. +3
            9 March 2013 10: 28
            Quote: Gari
            the Turks are another matter

            The fact is that militarization has recently increased in Azerbaijan, and integration processes with Turkey are strong. Pan-Turkism is flourishing. God forbid, of course, but in case of war, Turkey will act together with Azerbaijan...
            Consequences? God forbid...
            And Russia will not sit on the sidelines...
    3. +4
      8 March 2013 15: 17
      There will be no war. If Karabakh is captured, nothing will end. The Armenians will start a sabotage war on pipelines. The economy of Azerbaijan will immediately go downhill. Does Azerbaijan need this? Their elite, like ours, needs to calmly line its pockets.
      1. Guun
        +7
        8 March 2013 15: 48
        The wars of the Caucasus have never been famous for their humanity; there have always been ethnic cleansings. If Armenia falls, one should expect a purge from Azerbaijan and vice versa.
      2. DimychAs
        +2
        8 March 2013 22: 48
        Quote: sergey32
        In case of capture of Karabakh

        We write and write, although we ourselves clearly understand that such a situation cannot exist.
    4. Gari
      +2
      9 March 2013 02: 45
      Only one small thing, Kosovo was the territory of Serbia, which the Westerners brazenly gave away and created this Kosovo there, and that’s where Russia’s interests are, I mean Karabakh
      1. 0
        9 March 2013 10: 37
        Quote: Gari
        there are interests of Russia, I mean Karabakh

        And what do you think are the interests of Russia in Karabakh?
  3. biglow
    +8
    8 March 2013 13: 18
    the Karabakh problem will become frozen for many years. It is impossible to reach an agreement peacefully and no one will dare to take military action.
    As they say, a bad peace is better than a good war.
    1. +6
      8 March 2013 15: 29
      A bad peace is better than a good war

      This is theoretical. But in practice, war solves too many problems to abandon it. Moreover, people begin to negotiate only in situations when they no longer have the resources to fight. This is the tradition.
      So, with any illusion that one of the parties has weakened, the war will begin very quickly. Or just a very convenient reason will appear. For example, the war with Iran.
      1. -3
        8 March 2013 23: 27
        I agree. The ideal expressed in this proverb is too far from the harsh reality.
      2. Yarbay
        -2
        9 March 2013 00: 51
        Quote: Botanologist
        This is theoretical. But in practice, war solves too many problems to abandon it. Moreover, people begin to negotiate only in situations when they no longer have the resources to fight. This is the tradition.

        Very reasonable comment!
        Quote: Botanologist
        Iran

        Bad example!
        Much depends on Russia, Iran is the weak link!
        1. Meth
          +8
          9 March 2013 00: 55
          Yarbay,
          I don't even want to talk to you...
          Half of them don’t know that Azerbaijan depends on Russia.
          1. Gari
            -3
            9 March 2013 02: 55
            Depends on Russian markets
            1. -3
              9 March 2013 10: 41
              Quote: Gari
              Depends on Russian markets

              Azerbaijan definitely depends on the markets (half of our population is in the markets) and Armenia depends on the roads (where the Armenians definitely laid the shitty asphalt)! negative
              1. Gari
                +2
                9 March 2013 14: 37
                Well, yes, Azerbaijan will mobilize in Russian markets
                1. kNow
                  -2
                  9 March 2013 14: 50
                  Gari,
                  Where will you mobilize, especially considering the scale of emigration from your country?

                  “The reasons for emigration are the lack of jobs, which citizens associate with the problem of injustice in the country and leave their homeland, not seeing a future for their children.”
                  http://www.panorama.am/ru/society/2012/11/09/khodikyan-avetiqyan/
                  1. Gari
                    +1
                    9 March 2013 20: 18
                    It is apparently good that you refer to our Armenian newspapers, we are a democracy, and you, According to the results of the 2002 All-Russian Population Census, 621 Azerbaijanis lived in Russia, but there is an opinion that the real number is much higher. According to some sources, the number of Azerbaijanis in Russia can reach 840 million, and about one million of them live in Moscow. And maybe more, and this is only in Russia, and how many have left for Turkey
                2. +1
                  9 March 2013 21: 30
                  and Armenia on the sides of Russian roads
          2. +3
            9 March 2013 17: 46
            Quote: Met
            Yarbay
            I don't even want to talk to you...

            Well, the hot Estonian guys have come together again wassat
            1. Yarbay
              +2
              10 March 2013 09: 10
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Well, the hot Estonian guys have come together again

              Brother, I value my word, especially the one given to you!
              1. +1
                10 March 2013 17: 04
                Quote: Yarbay
                Ratishka, I value my word, especially the one given to you!

                hi drinks bully
        2. Gari
          +3
          9 March 2013 02: 54
          Well, the late Heydar Aliyev negotiated with the Karabakhites and called directly to them when the Armenian troops were already entering Kirovabad (Ganzhda), and then through Yeltsin he asked Ter-Petrosyan, but a lot depends on Russia
          1. kNow
            -3
            9 March 2013 09: 51
            Gari,
            laughing Don't get it wrong. Yeltsin called and threatened that if the Azerbaijanis did not stop their offensive, the Armenians, with the help of the Russians, would capture Ganja.
            1. Gari
              0
              9 March 2013 15: 25
              People have already fled from your Ganja (Kirovabad), I mean Azerbaijanis, those who were themselves told me when we met in Russia or Georgia, because the advanced Karabakh detachments were already reaching the approaches to the city, but Aliyev asked Yeltsin, and he put pressure on the then president Armenia Ter-Petrosyan and they stopped, by the way, then in Azerbaijan the power was divided by President Elchibey fled, Colonel Suret Huseynov rebelled in Ganja itself
              And why do you always do nothing but say that the Armenians fought with the help of the Russians, and there were volunteers from Russia who helped their co-religionists, there were also Cossack brothers, but their Armenians fought, volunteers from all over the world from America to Armenia and Karabakh, and there about all the engineers and shepherds, young and old, stood up to defend their homeland and their mountains
              but the Turkish commandos also fought in Azerbaijan, after 100 of them were solemnly buried in Ankara, they were recalled, and the Chechens, by the way, the well-known Shamil Basayev fled from Karabakh, barely escaped the encirclement, and the Arab mercenaries and in the end the Afghan Mujahideen, the whole thing can be said to be terrorist international, oil dollars were making your head spin then, but now you need to somehow justify your defeat to a good dancer, what’s stopping you?
              It’s all on the Internet, don’t digest it yourself, just read it
              1. kNow
                -2
                9 March 2013 16: 01
                Quote: Gari
                they told me themselves

                Yes of course laughing We've heard enough fairy tales.
                Quote: Gari
                advanced Karabakh detachments were already reaching the approaches to the city

                laughing Before you freeze something like this, check the chronicle on Wikipedia
                Quote: Gari
                And why do you always do nothing but say that the Armenians fought with the help of the Russians

                The Russians fought on both sides, especially in the early stages.
                You turned out to be more prepared for the conflict and were able to surprise us.
                Quote: Gari
                oil dollars then

                it was Gary later, then. I'm telling you, read the chronicle.
                Quote: Gari
                now you need to somehow justify your defeat

                We don't need to justify anything. We didn’t steal other people’s things. We fought as it happened. We didn't give up. And now the war continues.
                Quote: Gari
                It’s all on the Internet, don’t digest it yourself, just read it

                Translate.... laughing
                1. Yarbay
                  0
                  10 March 2013 09: 18
                  Quote: kNow
                  You were more prepared for the conflict and were able to surprise us

                  military commandant of the NKAO emergency zone and adjacent regions of the Azerbaijan SSR, former commander of the North Caucasian District of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia, Lieutenant General Yuri Kosolapov.

                  - They say that for your principled position in Karabakh, you began to be persecuted by some pro-Armenian people’s deputies of the USSR, who openly declared that they would remove you from Karabakh...

                  - There was no direct pressure on me from the deputies. I had my own command. But they put spokes in my wheels thoroughly. The Armenians even prepared an assassination attempt on me, because I was determined to disarm the illegal gangs in the territory entrusted to me. And then I was transferred to Baku.

                  http://vesti.az/news/146131


                  1. Yarbay
                    -2
                    10 March 2013 09: 22
                    In an exclusive interview with Vesti.Az, the former chief of staff of the Internal Troops Directorate of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs for the North Caucasus and Transcaucasia, candidate of military sciences, former commandant of the special situation region of the NKAO, Major General Vladislav Safonov, will shed light on how Azerbaijan lost Nagorno-Karabakh, specifically who Moscow covered up the Karabakh separatists, what kind of pressure he was subjected to from the high-ranking husband of an Armenian woman, and much more.
                    - Vladislav Nikolaevich, when and under what circumstances were you appointed commandant of the special situation region of NKAO?

                    - This happened on May 12, 1988. I was just inspecting our Grozny regiment. The Commander of the Internal Troops of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, Colonel General Yuri Shatalin, ordered me to urgently fly, at the direction of the USSR Minister of Internal Affairs, accompanied by a motorized rifle battalion to Khankendi ("Stepanakert" - author's note). I was supposed to receive specific tasks in what was then Kirovobad (now Ganja - author's note). From Kirovobad we were transferred by bus to Khankendi.

                    Upon arrival, I was immediately plunged into a very complex and confusing environment. The first secretary of the NKAO regional committee, Genrikh Poghosyan, immediately, bluntly stated that in a couple of weeks Karabakh will be annexed to Armenia, this issue has already been resolved. “You have nothing to do here, Comrade General. We will restore order here without you,” Poghosyan told me without hiding at all. But we already knew about this “order” when they beat Azerbaijanis and forcibly took away their property. That is, this “order” had nothing to do with a peaceful situation.

                    It was very difficult to understand this situation, since I received no support from either Baku or Moscow. The then leadership of the Azerbaijan SSR generally did not care about the problem in the NKAO. It seemed to them that everything would resolve itself. All the attention of the then leadership of Azerbaijan to the situation in Karabakh was limited to rare calls to me: “Well, how are you doing there?” That's all. At the same time, the Armenian leadership provided all possible assistance to the Karabakh underground. There were obvious prepared actions aimed at creating a “hot” spot, separating NKAO from Azerbaijan and annexing the region to Armenia.
                    - How did the Union leadership feel about the idea of ​​separating Karabakh from one republic and annexing it to another?

                    - It was at that time that the leadership of the USSR was inactive in this matter. There were attempts to extinguish the conflict at the initial stage. But I knew that in the Central Committee of the CPSU there were those who sympathized with the Armenians. For example, Pogosyan always referred to a member of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee, Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee, one of the ideologists of “perestroika” Yakovlev. Like, he supports us on the Karabakh issue. This was indeed true.

                    I, as the commandant of the special situation region of NKAO, did everything possible to ensure that the Azerbaijani population of the region was not subjected to violence from the Armenians. Even then there were a lot of facts of violence against Azerbaijanis. Moreover, the Armenian separatists did not disdain anything, even provocations against their own. So, for example, there was one Armenian-populated village (now, unfortunately, I no longer remember its name) near Lachin. These were ordinary people, village workers. So, extremist elements deliberately beat Azerbaijanis half to death, and then threw them, barely alive, onto the territory of the village. This was done specifically to provoke the Azerbaijanis to attack this village. We had to explain to the Azerbaijanis that the Armenians were deliberately provoking them and pushing them to take active action.
                    1. Yarbay
                      0
                      10 March 2013 09: 25
                      You probably had to communicate a lot back then with representatives of the Armenian community of Nagorno-Karabakh. Did they all really support the separatist aspirations of the Karabakh underground?

                      - I’ll tell you that not all Armenians unconditionally supported the idea of ​​annexing the region to Armenia. Local Armenians came to me for receptions and meetings and spoke rather negatively. But the Karabakh underground fighters intimidated and even beat such brave souls if they found out about their visits to me. - Did you have to deal with betrayal at that time? For example, in his book “Rebel Karabakh,” the chief of staff of the investigative and operational group of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs in the NKAO, Viktor Krivopuskov, openly talks about how his group hid from you the leaders of the Karabakh underground Kocharyan, Balayan, Sargsyan and Ghukasyan. He even took a steam bath with them in the same sauna, while your employees were looking for them to arrest them. Did you know about this?

                      - Yes, there were investigative and operational groups of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs. Their composition was constantly changing. There were honest employees who did their work conscientiously, and there were also those who openly or covertly sympathized with the Karabakh underground. Yes, Krivopuskov published a book in which he criticizes me and Polyanichko. Well, what can you do with him? There was betrayal, of course. After all, these were employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, they had to comply with the law in NKAO. If you have any political views, then you should have quit law enforcement agencies and become involved in politics, and not meet secretly with the leadership of the Karabakh underground, and not provide them with secret assistance.
                      I apologize for the tactless question. Did they try to bribe you or force you to change your position?

                      - I will answer frankly. Once, the Ambassador of Azerbaijan to the Russian Federation, Ramiz Rizayev, told me: “Vladislav Nikolaevich, the highest assessment of your integrity is the accusation of Armenians that Azerbaijanis gave you bribes.” That is, if I took even a penny from the Armenians, they would immediately trumpet to the whole world that General Safonov took millions from them for non-intervention. But they are still silent to this day. They didn’t even try to give me a bribe, since they knew very well that I would never have accepted it anyway. I waged an uncompromising war. But he did not lead it with the Armenian people, far from it. I led it with separatists, extremists and bandits. Armenian separatists have repeatedly made attempts on your life. In 1990, the Armenian terrorist organization ASALA, together with the Armenian nationalist leaders of the NKAO and the so-called “Karabakh Liberation Army,” decided to commit a series of assassination attempts. Their victims were to be the second secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Azerbaijan, the chairman of the Republican Organizing Committee for the NKAO, Viktor Polyanichko, General Safonov, as well as the commander of the Transcaucasian Military District, Colonel General Rodionov. The reason for this decision was your active work to restore constitutional order, disarmament of illegal armed groups, and reconciliation between Azerbaijanis and Armenians. What was the most serious attempt on your life?

                      - The most serious attempt to assassinate me was made in April 1991 in Rostov-on-Don. But then Armenian terrorists mistakenly shot Colonel Blakhotin from the airborne logistics service in the North Caucasus and Transcaucasia and wounded his driver. As a result of promptly taken measures, the perpetrators of this action were detained and brought to justice. The famous human rights activist Galina Starovoitova sympathized with the Armenians very much. She came to Karabakh and tried to carry out provocations there. But I sent her out on time. Then, in the Moscow News newspaper, Starovoitova called me “Karabakh Pinochet.”

                      At a session of the Supreme Council of the USSR, where the attempt to assassinate me was discussed, Starovoitova made a statement that, supposedly, it was not extremists who attempted to assassinate General Safonov, but people’s avengers.
                      1. Yarbay
                        -1
                        10 March 2013 09: 28
                        As far as we know, thanks to your uncompromising position in solving the problem in the NKAO, the leadership of the Azerbaijan SSR twice appealed to the CPSU Central Committee with a request to extend your powers as commandant. However, at the end of 1990 you were nevertheless recalled from Karabakh. Why did this happen?

                        - Knowing my position, the Commander-in-Chief of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, Colonel General Shatalin, was categorically against my stay in Nagorno-Karabakh. When he came to Khankendi, he promised one thing to the Armenians, and something completely different to the Azerbaijanis. That is, he made mutually exclusive promises. I told him: “Why are you doing this? You’ll fly away now, and I’ll stay here and work.” But here you need to take this thing into account. The fact is that at one time Shatalin was an army commander in Yerevan and was married to an Armenian woman. This explained his position on the Karabakh issue. His instructions, orders and actions were aimed in favor of the Armenians. Conflicts often arose between us. He forced me to write a report asking to be transferred to another place. But I answered him that, they say, you are my commander, you order me, and I will leave.
                        I stayed in Nagorno-Karabakh for two and a half years and at the slightest opportunity they tried to remove me from there. Sometimes this was successful, but as soon as the situation in the region became tense, I was returned there again.

                        I left Nagorno-Karabakh on December 12, 1990. At the last meeting of the Council of Ministers in Azerbaijan, I spoke and sharply stated that Baku is not preparing for hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh at all, that the leadership of the republic, led by Ayaz Mutalibov, is conniving. The Republic's Ministry of Internal Affairs proposed creating additional riot police units to fight the separatists. I objected that the riot police are untrained guys who will not be able to solve the tasks assigned to them in the NKAO. I proposed to immediately begin creating regular military special forces units. At that time, the leadership of the republic did not take my proposals into account. Only the second secretary of the CPA, Viktor Petrovich Polyanichko, supported me. But, unfortunately, no one listened to him then either.
                        I would like to especially emphasize that Polyanichko and I managed to achieve certain successes. In 1990, Baku held conferences and meetings in Khankendi with the participation of representatives of the regions of the USSR, who were shown that Khankendi is an Azerbaijani city, that Nagorno-Karabakh is the territory of the Azerbaijani SSR, and this is beyond any doubt.

                        During those events, I gave part of my soul, part of my heart to Azerbaijan. I even suggested that Mutalibov appoint me Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs of Azerbaijan; I was ready to stay in Azerbaijan and do my best to help the republic in Nagorno-Karabakh. But my proposal did not go through. All positions have already been described, who will get them and how. The leadership of the republic thought least of all about the people, about Nagorno-Karabakh; they were only concerned about their own personal interests.
                        Realizing the hopelessness of the situation (it was at this time that Boris Pugo became the USSR Minister of Internal Affairs instead of Bakatin), I asked the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs to transfer me. The next year I retired to the reserve.
                        Comrade General, do you think it was possible at that stage to prevent a conflict between the two peoples?

                        - Of course yes. I am firmly convinced that if the party elite of the then leadership of Azerbaijan and the USSR had been ready to resolve the situation and had been at least a little more active, the conflict would have been avoided. We had a list of Karabakh extremists; we just needed to arrest them, convict them and that’s it. But Gorbachev did not agree to this. And then it was too late.
                      2. Yarbay
                        0
                        10 March 2013 09: 30
                        - Why, in your opinion, did Azerbaijan fail to retain Nagorno-Karabakh? Until now, many people in Azerbaijan believe that Armenia managed to capture Karabakh with the help of the Russian army. Do you share this point of view?

                        - I can only say one thing: when I was the commandant of the NKAO, the Soviet army did not take sides. But I cannot say what happened after me, that is, after December 1990, since I do not have such information. Yes, there were and are sympathizers with the Armenians in Russia, but I don’t think that the country’s leadership would agree to help Armenia with troops.

                        How was Azerbaijan able to lose this war? This was a betrayal on the part of the then leadership of Azerbaijan. Well, how was it possible to take Shusha, this impregnable citadel? If defense was reliably organized there, then the Armenians would not be able to take it. It could only be taken as a result of betrayal.[/b] In addition, the Azerbaijanis, unlike the Armenians, were absolutely unprepared for this war. I always warned the leadership of both Azerbaijan and the then USSR that the Armenians were thoroughly prepared for it.
                        http://myazerbaijan.org/index.php?p=interview/39
                      3. Gari
                        -2
                        10 March 2013 22: 40
                        Radio telegram from Getashen

                        "SOS, SOS, SOS"
                        We, the residents of two Armenian villages in Azerbaijan, Getashen and Martunashen, beg you to save our lives. The Soviet army is destroying us, Soviet citizens. They fire at us from cannons, machine guns and machine guns from the ground and from the sky. We are crushed by tanks in our houses and courtyards, children, women, old people are taken hostage by Azerbaijani riot police, their arms, legs, and ribs are broken by blows against the wall, their kidneys are broken off, they are removed with a SCALPEL, they are driven naked through the streets,
                        stab with knives. We held out for three years, but we cannot resist the army, our husbands are powerless to protect us with hunting rifles, the army destroys us, forcing us to recognize the power of Azerbaijan or leave our native villages, but they don’t even let us run, they shoot. Our houses are destroyed, they are burning, we have nowhere to hide!
                        People of the world! Save! At least save the children! We will die protected by tanks from the outside world. SOS.SOS, SAVE."

                        The shelling of the village of Kirants, Ijevan region, continues. Two corpses were taken out of the Zhiguli car that was burned (from shelling).
                        All this was led by General Safonov
                        And it’s very interesting if they helped the Armenians it means a traitor, and if for the Azerbaijanis it means honest yes
                        Yarbay, you seem to be an adequately informed person, unlike some here, and let’s respect each other, let’s just be honest, how could the Azerbaijani units be unprepared if all the weapons of the 4th Army of the ZakVO remained there, and if I’m not mistaken, the warehouses of the ZakVO were in the Kirovabad (Ganja) area, And Shushi and the truth is a fortress on a mountain above Stepanakert, I myself have seen more than once, from there they directly hit from Grads, Cannons at peaceful people who lived in basements
                        Truth has two medals
                      4. kNow
                        0
                        10 March 2013 23: 02
                        Quote: Gari
                        remove the SCALPEL

                        unbelievable wink
                        To complete the picture, indicate a year, we will help you with a parallel chronicle that will make no less an impression...
                      5. Gari
                        -2
                        10 March 2013 22: 29
                        Message from an amateur radio station from Getashen

                        “The troops who burst into the village began pogroms of civilians.

                        At 21.00 more than ten people were killed, there are many seriously wounded, hostages were taken. "

                        The last message of the radio station: "Save!"

                        April 30. A statement was adopted by the Supreme Council of the Republic of Armenia, in which the Supreme Council insists on its demand to immediately convene an extraordinary Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR, appeals to the peoples, parliaments and governments of the world, the Supreme Councils of the Union republics with an appeal to take all efforts to stop the aggressive actions against the Armenian people.

                        April 30. Getashen and Martunashen villages are fired from all sides. In the morning at 7.00 armored vehicles moved to the villages. The military fired at the village with guns and machine guns. Riot police of Azerbaijan, taking advantage of this, burst into the villages and began a pogrom. 17 people were killed, dozens injured, including children. Troops and riot police seized 50 hostages, the population during the self-defense took 12-13 hostages.

                        In the border villages of Armenia, there is an accumulation of troops. The village of Voskepar of the Noyemberyan region is surrounded by troops.

                        The 1 of May. Getashen is asked to send helicopters with doctors, medicines and food, but not one helicopter was allowed to land near the village.

                        15.35. Troops and riot police left Getashen. Many destroyed houses.

                        Shelling continues on the border of Noyemberyan, Ijevan, Taush regions of Armenia from Azerbaijan by the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR and OMON of Azerbaijan. There are wounded, one is killed.

                        Telephone conversation L. Ter-Petrosyan with the President. Mikhail Gorbachev promised to take measures to stabilize the situation under his personal control.

                        In the Baku Television news release it was reported that Chaikend (Getashen) was occupied by riot police and troops, 15 Armenians were killed, 14 wounded, 45 hostages were captured, 4 Azerbaijanis were wounded.

                        May 2. The alarming news coming from Getashen, Martunashen, NKAO and the border regions of Armenia again excited the people, a rally of many thousands took place in Yerevan.

                        Two helicopters landed in Yerevan, arriving from the Shaumyan region, where several wounded from Getashen and Martunashen were taken by armored vehicles.

                        Azerbaijani riot police spread a document according to which the residents of Getashen and Martunashen allegedly ask riot police and military to give them the opportunity to freely leave the village.

                        The chairman of the KGB of the USSR, Kryuchkov, in a telephone conversation with L. Ter-Petrosyan already appealed to the text of this document.

                        May 3 In the early morning the shelling of Armenian border villages was resumed. Women and children were evacuated from several villages of Ijevan district.

                        Taush district of Armenia. The villages of Paravakar, Movses, Karmir Ahpur, Nerkin Shen are fired from artillery guns and automatic weapons. 1 Armenian was killed.

                        A military helicopter flew to Getashen, but the doctors were not allowed to go out and provide assistance to the wounded. The helicopter flew back with 22 women and children, as well as two wounded on board.

                        Martunashen village is completely on fire. 12 people were killed, 20 went missing and taken hostage 7.

                        Units of the explosives, Azerbaijani riot police do not allow to approach two corpses at the monument
                        Radio telegram from Getashen
                      6. Gari
                        -2
                        10 March 2013 22: 26
                        OPERATION "RING". CHRONICLE OF EVENTS (APRIL-MAY 1991)

                        April 16th. Baku. At a meeting with the leaders of the KGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Prosecutor's Office of the republic, Mutalibov proposes, in case of disobedience, to deport residents of the Armenian-populated Shaumyan district, Getashen and Martunashen villages.

                        April 18th. NKAO. A general meeting of the personnel of the USSR Armed Forces of the commandant's office of a special region of NKAO A statement was received addressed to M. Gorbachev, L. .. Ter-Petrosyan, A. Mutalibov, V. Kryuchkov, B. Pugo with a demand to give a political solution to the Nagorno-Karabakh problem.

                        April 19th. Troops of the USSR Armed Forces were withdrawn from Getashen and Martunashen, guarding these settlements and reporting to the commandant of a special region of the NKAO, instead of them, troops of the USSR USSR Baku regiment from the city of Ganja of Azerbaijan were sent. Riot police of Azerbaijan began shelling Getashen and Martunashen.

                        April 22nd. L. Ter-Petrosyan sent a letter to M. Gorbachev and other top leaders of the country, in which he states that the large-scale operations launched in Getashen and Martunashen indicate an intention to deport the indigenous Armenian population.

                        April 23rd. Due to the aggravation of the situation around Getashen and Martunashen villages, Shaumyanovsky region and in the NKAO, the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the Republic of Armenia convenes an extraordinary meeting of the Supreme Council of the Republic of Armenia.

                        Residents of the Shaumyanovsky district, Getashen and Martunashen send a telegram addressed to the top leaders of the USSR, saying that they are in a severe blockade; interrupted supply of electricity, water. After visiting Polyanichko, a real war began in the area.

                        25th of April. The Supreme Council of the Republic of Armenia raises the issue of convening an extraordinary meeting of the Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR to discuss the situation in Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh) and the border zone of the Republic of Armenia with Azerbaijan.

                        April 29th. Throughout the Armenian-Azerbaijani border, shelling from automatic weapons, tanks and armored vehicles of settlements on the territory of the Republic of Armenia continues.

                        April 30. The Security Council of the USSR, headed by President Gorbachev, is meeting.

                        Units of the Baku regiment of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR, under the command of Colonel Mashkov, occupied the heights that dominate Getashen and began shelling the village.
      3. +4
        9 March 2013 09: 08
        Quote: Botanologist
        people begin to negotiate only in situations when there are no longer the resources to fight. This is the tradition.

        Well, yes! Like in a fairy tale: “Two rams came together on a narrow bridge over a mountain abyss and there was no way they could pass each other. The rams locked horns - who would overrule whom. Who would move whom. They pushed and pushed and both flew into the abyss.”
        It may turn out that there will be no one to negotiate! belay
        1. +1
          9 March 2013 10: 45
          Quote: Egoza
          It may turn out that there will be no one to negotiate!

          Even if such a tragic ending! The main thing is without Our participation! hi
  4. Piterkras
    +2
    8 March 2013 13: 24
    The US Federal Reserve has over $11 trillion in debt. How has the Fed always resolved such problems? Only by war. So a future war is not far off.
    1. Melchakov
      +5
      8 March 2013 13: 27
      Quote: piterkras
      more than 11 trillion

      16.
      Quote: piterkras
      So a future war is not far off.

      Well, that's not a fact. If those 2 wars allowed the Americans to get ahead and overtake everyone (waging war on foreign territory), then there is a VERY HIGH probability that this war will bury them. (In general, for them, any more or less big conflict is a grave.)
      1. biglow
        +3
        8 March 2013 13: 50
        Melchakov,
        Now the presence of nuclear weapons restrains us from starting major wars. And the logistics of supplying any goods will immediately come under attack. Where is European and American industry now? Compared to what it was even 50 years ago, the changes are very large.. Therefore, major wars are simply excluded
        1. +3
          8 March 2013 15: 38
          the presence of nuclear weapons deters the outbreak of major wars

          The presence of nuclear weapons did not prevent us from clashing with the United States in Afghanistan and China from climbing to Damansky. Today, at the beginning of a crisis, they can easily proclaim the principle of non-application and beat each other up. At the same time, nuclear powers will work through a “layer” - just like in Afghanistan, for example. Or in Vietnam.

          And the logistics of supplying any goods will immediately come under attack.

          It's not critical. Everything will just become more expensive due to the increased costs of protecting caravans, that’s all. But this is just for the good - a decrease in product consumption while increasing overhead costs stimulates economic restructuring and allows the government to increase the capitalization of industrial sectors. After all, the economy is being crushed by the service sector and market speculation, and they are the first casualty of the war. Everything is for the good.
  5. 0
    8 March 2013 13: 37
    Deputy Prime Minister of Azerbaijan Ali Hasanov held a press conference in Baku on March 1 with representatives of the Turkish media, where he stated that if the Azerbaijani government decides on a military solution to the Karabakh problem, the Azerbaijani army will come face to face with Russian troops, not Armenian ones.

    “President Ilham Aliyev has always supported the possibility of a military solution to the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, occupied by Armenia, and this issue is still on the agenda. The most important thing is how the military operation will be carried out. We must become much stronger, since in the fighting in Nagorno-Karabakh we will come face to face with Russian troops. Do you think Armenia itself has enough forces to hold the occupied Azerbaijani lands?” Hasanov said. Recalling his hometown, also under Armenian occupation, Hasanov said that the capture of the city was carried out with the help of Russia. “I myself saw how Russian soldiers got out of the tanks and celebrated the victory with champagne,” the Deputy Prime Minister shared his memories.

    Russia is considered the dominant power in the region and seeks to maintain its influence over the former Soviet republics, particularly in the South Caucasus. After the collapse of the USSR, Russia, through manipulation, is trying to preserve protracted conflicts like the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. As a result of the war in the early 1990s, Azerbaijan lost 20% of its territory. As a sign of solidarity with Azerbaijan, Turkey closed its borders with Armenia, as a result, this country, finding itself isolated, moved towards Russia. Moscow and Yerevan signed a joint agreement on security issues, thus making Russia the only military ally of Armenia. Azerbaijan is rapidly developing its economy and transforming its growing capabilities into “military muscle,” while Russia continues to pursue a “policy of domination” over Armenia using its economic leverage.

    Regarding relations with the United States, Hasanov said that Washington could become a key player in resolving the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. “If the United States wants to find a solution to this problem, it must sit down at the same table with Russia and solve it. If the United States cannot do this, they must remove Armenia from Russia’s orbit,” the Deputy Prime Minister said. Hasanov suggested that Washington does not want to spoil relations with Moscow and will not do what it did during the Russian-Georgian conflict, referring to the August 2008 war. At that time, the US strongly supported Georgia.

    Hasanov criticized the international community that it is not making enough efforts to put pressure on Armenia, which holds Azerbaijani lands under its control; in addition, Yerevan has territorial claims to Georgia and Turkey. He also said that in the occupied territories, Armenians are preparing terrorist groups and supporting drug trafficking. “The entire world community knows about this,” summed up the Deputy Prime Minister of the Azerbaijani government.
    1. Melchakov
      +4
      8 March 2013 13: 39
      ayyildiz,
      I hope you don't agree with what I wrote.
    2. biglow
      +10
      8 March 2013 13: 53
      ayyildiz,
      Like in any city, we have many traders from Azerbaijan. I asked them about whether they will go to fight in Karabakh or not, the answer is obvious. They will continue to sell tomatoes. Azerbaijan will not risk starting a military operation
      1. Fidain
        +2
        9 March 2013 00: 29
        I am not an Azerbaijani, an Armenian, and I do not live in Armenia, but like any patriot, I will put my whole soul into ensuring that the events of 1914-1918 (the genocide of the Armenian people by Turks of all kinds) do not happen again. Armenia, not Russia, will leave us nowhere...
        1. +3
          9 March 2013 00: 50
          Like the Russians are retreating, but the Armenians are so brave, they have nowhere to retreat, so they immediately flee to Greece, or better yet, to America.
        2. vilenich
          +4
          9 March 2013 09: 19
          Quote: Fidain
          I am not an Azerbaijani, an Armenian, and I do not live in Armenia, but like any patriot, I will put my whole soul into ensuring that the events of 1914-1918 (the genocide of the Armenian people by Turks of all kinds) do not happen again. Armenia, not Russia, will leave us nowhere...

          Come on, we've already been through this! I saw enough of what they did in Armenia at the turn of the 80s and 90s: attacks on military units, murders of Russian officers and soldiers, taking commanders and commanders hostage.
          So, it’s better to love Armenia from afar. Otherwise, it will be like with the Armenian nuclear power plant: in the wake of glasnost and perestroika, after the Chernobyl accident, people poured out with demands not to repeat Chernobyl in Armenia, to close the nuclear power plant, naturally, that’s all the liberals needed, a noisy company and closed the nuclear power plant, then looted it, and then they started to sit without electricity and freeze their snot in winter! Where did the Democrats go, they quickly found the money and restored everything.
          1. Gari
            -3
            9 March 2013 15: 35
            What were you doing in Armenia then, if you were at all, where did you see it, in Armenia where there was a devastating earthquake blockade, but these conditions won the war, what kind of murders of Russian officers, what kind of nonsense, what kind of hostages, when they are still there Russian military base, and Russian officers live with their families and feel very good and comfortable, and not only military men but businessmen, with my daughter, they bring their children to a Russian-speaking kindergarten, go to restaurants, cafes, go to the resorts of Armenia, myself there are friends and officers and businessmen, they feel so great here that they are not in a big hurry to return to Russia, and it’s clear that if they can even walk until the morning, there are no problems, the children play alone in the yards, the attitude towards Russians is without problems and has always been so , I’m not saying that we have Paradise, but there is almost no crime
            1. vilenich
              +3
              9 March 2013 20: 54
              Quote: Gari
              What were you doing in Armenia then, if you were at all, where did you see it?

              Well, first of all, I personally didn’t drink vodka or other alcoholic drinks with you, and therefore there’s nothing for me to POKE!
              Secondly, unlike you, I am responsible for my words!
              I cite specific facts from 1991-1992: the commander of the 15th division (now I don’t remember motorized rifle or tank) Colonel Petrov was captured by militants in Kirovakan, the Army Commander General Meshcheryakov was captured in Yerevan, attacks were carried out on military units stationed in Sovetashen, Etchmiadzin, etc. or Maybe you have already forgotten the signalmen who were shot in Leninakan!
              And the understanding that we cannot do without Russia came after the euphoria of the first years of democracy! And I’m just glad that now Russians are again being treated with due respect.
              But what happened, happened, you can’t erase it from your memory!!!
            2. Luna
              +5
              9 March 2013 21: 40
              Yes, human memory is short!
              Our unit was attacked twice, the second time a conscript soldier was killed. This was the only way food columns were robbed.
              No festivities until the morning, Russian schools were immediately closed and in general Russophobia was in full bloom.
              And they talked a lot about how great Armenia would live without the Union, because it has tungsten, molybdenum and the Armenian diaspora (which will help). Yeah.

              True, sobering up came quickly, because... Armenia did not receive such a rich inheritance from the USSR as some (let’s not point fingers). feel
              1. vilenich
                +2
                10 March 2013 00: 48
                Quote: Luna
                Our unit was attacked twice, the second time a conscript soldier was killed. Columns with food were robbed just like that. No festivities until the morning, Russian schools were immediately closed and in general Russophobia was in full bloom.

                Irina, I absolutely agree with you, that’s exactly what happened! All officers were armed not only with personal weapons, but also with machine guns with live ammunition.
                In units, posts guarding ammunition depots were reinforced with tanks and infantry fighting vehicles; shelters were opened and camouflaged on the territory and secrets were exposed,
                Yes, a lot more!
                Quote: Gari
                Russian officers live with their families and feel very good and comfortable, and not only the military

                I will once again rejoice for today!
                Quote: Gari
                and it has always been like this

                I don’t exclude Gari that you are very young and simply don’t remember (don’t know) what happened in the early nineties of the last century in Armenia!
                Quote: Gari
                What were you doing in Armenia then, if you were at all, where did you see it?

                And in Armenia at that time I served in the army, and just in Leninakan (Gyumri, Kumayri), then, however, I also happened to be in Yerevan.
                1. Gari
                  0
                  10 March 2013 22: 52
                  For You, I apologize, we didn’t drink vodka together, but maybe we’ll drink someday, I invite everyone to Armenia, then we’ll drink, and not only vodka
                  I wasn’t so young that I don’t remember, I finished school, and I remember very well the curfew, no gatherings after three, and tanks on the streets - this is in Yerevan, and who likes when there are tanks on your streets, let’s remember August 1991 in Moscow, and why this led, if it weren’t for the tanks, the question is, maybe the State Emergency Committee managed to win, and we all lived in another country - this is my opinion
                  but what was behind it, I found a link from the newspapers
                  The military presents an ultimatum to the leaders of the village of Voskepar in the Noyemberyan region of Armenia with the demand to hand over the service weapons of the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the republic, otherwise the village will be destroyed.
                  There is a massive bombing and shelling of the village from helicopters and the ground.
                  Units of the 4th Army of the USSR Armed Forces stationed on the territory of Azerbaijan destroyed the village of Voskepar. The gardens and forests adjacent to the village were burned.
                  One policeman was killed during the shelling of the village of Barekamavan.
                  It became known that a police squad of 20 policemen, who were accompanied by 4 civilians, was shot.
                  Ten policemen and the driver were killed (three more died later). The fate of the others is unknown. Units of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs broke into almost all border villages of the Goris region of Armenia. 11 policemen from the village of Kornidzor were taken hostage. Several employees also disappeared from the district's relay television station.
                  The livestock farm in the village of Aravus was shelled by artillery. The official version of the military is that the militants' headquarters are located there.
                  Near the village of Artsvashen, Krasnoselsky district of Armenia, a concentration of approximately 700-800 military personnel is noticeable.
                  The village of Voskepar in the Noyemberyan region continues to be under siege.
                  Active military operations have begun against the village of Kirants, Ijevan region of Armenia.
                  In the Noyemberyansky district, 40 hostages were captured (mostly employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the republic).
                  Several border villages in the Goris region were also shelled from helicopters.
                  The commander of the Transcaucasian Military District (ZakVO), Colonel General Patrikeev, through Lieutenant General Pishchev, conveyed that this military operation was carried out not by the Soviet Army, but by units of the internal troops of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs subordinate to Azerbaijan.
                  During the day, paratroopers and military equipment were transferred to Yerevan on 17 helicopters. I'm sure where you served everything was kept secret
                  further more. but I won’t and how you wanted ordinary people to treat them, I think this information was conveyed
                  It was nice to talk
          2. Yarbay
            +1
            10 March 2013 09: 34
            Quote: vilenich
            Come on, we've already been through this!

            Despite Zoriy Balayan’s vows that not a single Russian soldier suffered from the Armenians, they hid the facts of the death of Russian military personnel from the public.”
            An exclusive interview with Vesti.Az with the former commandant of the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region of Azerbaijan, the deputy commander of the internal troops of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs deployed in the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region, and retired Major General Henry Malyushkin.

            - Comrade General, in 1990 for six months you were the commandant of the NKAR. What was the situation at that time in this region?

            - In July 1990, I and the former USSR Minister of Internal Affairs, Bakatin, were ordered to meet regularly with the deputies of the Armenian SSR and NKAO in order to find ways of reconciliation. At that time, the Karabakh knot was already tied in a loop. The attacks of Armenians on Azerbaijani populated villages became more frequent, Azerbaijani shepherds along with flocks were very often abducted.

            Under such conditions, attempts by sensible people through the mediation of officers of our emergency commandant’s office to defuse the situation and reconcile the two communities of Nagorno-Karabakh - Azerbaijanis and Armenians - did not stop. Dear people, veterans of the Great Patriotic War, deputies, representatives of the intelligentsia came to Azerbaijani and Armenian populated areas, held explanatory conversations with local residents, and explained to them all the perniciousness of the confrontation. In principle, it was fruitful work, which allowed establishing good neighborly relations between Azerbaijanis and Armenians.

            - Why, in your opinion, did it fail to maintain these relations between the two nations?

            - As soon as a fragile ceasefire was established between the two peoples, both in the NKAR itself and in the adjacent Azerbaijani regions, "dark forces" immediately entered into business. The impression was made that someone from the outside conducted these processes. As if on a command in Stepanakert (Khankendi - approx. Ed.) And throughout the territory of the NKAR, emissaries appeared who distributed nationalist leaflets and provoked local Armenians to anti-Azerbaijani demonstrations.

            “Did you manage to find out where these emissaries came from?”

            - Of course, we soon established that they came from Armenia. As a result of operational work in Stepanakert, we even detected the operation of an underground radio station, which misinformed the population about the situation in NKAO.
            You were an eyewitness to those tragic events in the Nagorno-Karabakh region of Azerbaijan. Are all the Karabakh Armenians so eager to disconnect from Azerbaijan?

            - I will tell you that not everyone wanted to be separated from Azerbaijan. However, the Armenians who made efforts at reconciliation were subjected to merciless obstruction, and even terror. This was the case, for example, with Grigoryan, who was delegated by the public of the NKAO to a meeting with government officials of Azerbaijan. During this meeting, it was agreed that it was necessary to find ways out of the current situation. Upon returning to NKAO, Grigoryan was killed. After this incident, all previously reached agreements were immediately canceled. This is just one example of how attempts at interethnic reconciliation were suppressed by certain forces. In such an environment of total psychosis, people’s instinct of self-preservation was triggered, when embarking on the path of peace was fraught with death.
            Did you meet with the leaders of the Karabakh separatists at that time - Zory Balayan, Robert Kocharian, Serge Sargsyan and Arkady Ghukasyan?

            - I met with Zoria Balayan. He owes a great merit to inciting ethnic hatred in Nagorno-Karabakh. In his works, Balayan wrote about the ethnic exclusivity of the Armenians. He was filled with hatred for the Azerbaijanis.
            1. Yarbay
              0
              10 March 2013 09: 37
              Why, knowing the identities of the leaders of the Karabakh separatists, about their role in fueling the war, the law enforcement agencies did not neutralize them, thereby decapitating the separatist movement?

              - It could be done. However, the Internal Troops of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs in Nagorno-Karabakh were prohibited from taking such actions
              .
              - Already in the 90s of the last century, the Armenians began to publish books one after another that the internal troops of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs deployed in the NKAR in every way oppressed them, and they themselves, they say, were white and fluffy, never encroached on the lives of servicemen. But then why so many soldiers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Defense who died in the NKAR?



              - Already in the 90s of the last century, the Armenians began to publish books one after another that the internal troops of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs deployed in the NKAR in every way oppressed them, and they themselves, they say, were white and fluffy, never encroached on the lives of servicemen. But then why so many soldiers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Defense who died in the NKAR?

              - Despite Zori Balayan’s vows that not a single Russian soldier suffered from the Armenians, despite the Armenians constantly emphasizing their devotion to Russia, nevertheless, they hid from the public the facts of the death of Russian soldiers at the hands of the Karabakh underground. Russian soldiers died at the hands of Armenians while defending Azerbaijani villages and villages. During my presence in Nagorno-Karabakh alone, 30 servicemen were killed at the hands of Armenian militants. By the way, we also found that among the Armenian separatists there were a lot of mercenaries from other countries.
              In your opinion, could the leadership of the USSR at that time prevent the Karabakh conflict?

              - Of course it could. However, here a very unsightly role belongs to CPSU Secretary General Mikhail Gorbachev. He should immediately come to Nagorno-Karabakh and prevent a fratricidal war between Armenians and Azerbaijanis. But he did not. Gorbachev went out of his way to fulfill his duties as head of state.

              Despite this, there were people who tried to prevent this conflict. A huge peacekeeping mission fell on the shoulders of the second secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Azerbaijan Viktor Polyanichko, General Vyacheslav Safonov. They sought to prevent the growth of separatism in Nagorno-Karabakh, made titanic efforts to prevent the expulsion of Azerbaijanis from their territories. Subsequently, the Armenians brutally avenged Polyanichko for his pro-Azerbaijani position.

              In the years when the power of the Center was still strong enough for the union leadership, it was necessary to establish a dialogue between the leadership of Azerbaijan and Armenia so that they could find ways out of the situation. Unfortunately, this has not been done. As a result, war broke out ...
              http://bbatiyev.blogspot.com/2011/08/blog-post_9724.html
              1. vilenich
                +1
                10 March 2013 10: 37
                By the way, Alibek, I also found this material about the events that I voiced above:
                Sergey Ushakov
                HOW WE KILLED OUR PATRONS
                On July 10, 1992, five Russian paratroopers were killed in Leninakan. Then the Armenian side, represented by Deputy Minister of Defense Abrahamyan and the commander of the military formations of the Shirak region Vardanyan, announced to the whole world about “criminal actions of the Russian military.” They allegedly ran over a child with a car and used weapons. That is why, they say, they opened fire back at them. The press of “new democratic Russia” voiced only one point of view, presenting the paratroopers as criminals. The killed paratroopers were accused of all mortal sins. The dead have no shame. But their relatives and friends are alive, who know that the guys did not tarnish the honor of the Russian soldier. Following the bloody trail, Major of Justice S. Ushakov prepared material based on the data of the investigation.

                Full article: http://www.specnaz.ru/istoriya/46/
                1. Yarbay
                  +1
                  10 March 2013 11: 49
                  Quote: vilenich

                  By the way, Alibek, I also found this material about the events that I voiced above

                  Thanks for the link!
                  I remember that incident!
    3. Gari
      -2
      9 March 2013 03: 01
      Deputy Prime Minister of Azerbaijan Ali Hasanov held a press conference in Baku on March 1 with representatives of the Turkish media. I myself saw how Russian soldiers came out of tanks and celebrated the victory with champagne.”
      It’s interesting to see how he saw what he was standing next to
      Azerbaijan is rapidly developing its economy and transforming its growing capabilities into “military muscles”,
      if this were so then Azerbaijan would have been convinced of this long ago, it would have given a damn about Russia, the West and everyone and would have attacked Karabakh
      No matter how much you say the persimmon will still not become sweet
      1. +4
        9 March 2013 09: 11
        Quote: Gari
        I myself saw how Russian soldiers came out of tanks and celebrated their victory with champagne.”

        The man is offended! The tankers drank, but they didn’t give him a drink! laughing
        1. +3
          9 March 2013 10: 09
          And in general, for the harsh tank crews to celebrate their victory with some kind of fizzy drink, well, I won’t believe it.
    4. -1
      9 March 2013 10: 49
      Quote: ayyildiz
      the Azerbaijani army will come face to face with Russian troops, not Armenian ones.

      I sincerely do not wish this for you!
      1. kNow
        -3
        9 March 2013 10: 52
        Quote: ultra
        I sincerely do not wish this for you!

        We don't want this either. But Russian politicians are unlikely to ask us.
  6. +19
    8 March 2013 13: 46
    Once upon a time, during World War 2, an Armenian and an Azerbaijani stood shoulder to shoulder and in their sights they saw not each other as they do now, but the fascists
    1. +3
      8 March 2013 21: 49
      A common problem unites
    2. Gari
      +3
      9 March 2013 03: 03
      That's for sure, there was a Leader, there was a Power
  7. +5
    8 March 2013 13: 46
    Yes, the prospects are really bleak and the further it goes, the worse it will become. War cannot be avoided and what is especially depressing is that it will not bring victory to anyone, and the result will be preparation for the next one.
  8. +2
    8 March 2013 13: 47
    According to the Armenian side, the Russian leadership, represented by then-President Dmitry Medvedev and the head of the military department Anatoly Serdyukov, did not agree on this deal with the Armenian leadership or ignored its point of view. In this regard, it is not at all surprising that the negotiations initiated and accompanied by noisy PR between Dmitry Medvedev and his colleagues from Armenia and Azerbaijan (the apotheosis of which was the predictably disastrous Kazan meeting in the summer of 2011) ended in resounding failure. Moreover, in the dialogue between Baku and the United States and NATO, which was never interrupted, the “Russian card” was only an auxiliary element, and only the most naive statesmen could ignore this circumstance.
    Apparently our statesmen are among the “most naive statesmen.” What is next in line in assessing Medvedev’s activities?
    1. Melchakov
      0
      8 March 2013 13: 59
      Quote: olegyurjewitch
      e agreed to this deal

      What deal?
      1. +6
        8 March 2013 14: 19
        Quote: Melchakov
        What deal?

        Maksim, hi ! Did you read the article carefully?
        The supply of S-300 PMU-2 “Favorite” anti-aircraft missile systems to Azerbaijan (a multi-channel long-range complex capable of tracking up to 100 targets simultaneously), which significantly increased the combat effectiveness of this country’s air defense systems, caused a particular resonance. According to the Armenian side, the Russian leadership in the person of then President Dmitry Medvedev and the head of the military department Anatoly Serdyukov did not agree on this deal with the leadership of Armenia or ignored his point of view.
        and sculpt the minus....
        1. Melchakov
          +1
          8 March 2013 15: 39
          Quote: Tersky
          Did you read the article carefully?

          Yes, somehow I missed it.
          Quote: Tersky
          and sculpt the minus..

          Who am I?
          1. +2
            8 March 2013 16: 15
            Quote: Melchakov
            Who am I?

            Please accept my apologies if not you, hi ! It turns out that someone downvoted
            olegyurjewitch, without explanation, and immediately after your comment.
        2. Gari
          +1
          9 March 2013 03: 05
          That's right, and don't care about your only strategic ally
    2. Yarbay
      -2
      9 March 2013 00: 53
      Quote: olegyurjewitch
      Apparently our statesmen are among the “most naive statesmen.” What is next in line in assessing Medvedev’s activities?

      What does Serd.kov and Medvedev have to do with it??
      Most recently, Azerbaijan received the third S-300 division under Putin and Shoigu!
      1. Gari
        +2
        9 March 2013 03: 05
        Have you been taught how to use them?
        1. kNow
          -1
          9 March 2013 09: 55
          Quote: Gari
          Have you been taught how to use them?

          Not a macaw, they also showed it to the Americans near Yerevan wink
          1. FOX.
            +2
            9 March 2013 10: 26
            kNow,
            Was there anything you didn’t like? What's the downside? Or does my post prevent you from seeing “happy” dreams?
            1. kNow
              0
              9 March 2013 10: 29
              Quote: FOX.
              Was there anything you didn’t like?

              I may not like a lot of things, so what?
              Quote: FOX.
              What's the downside?

              You ask the one who is minus. Fortunately, I have more of them here than you have combined...
              Quote: FOX.
              Or does my post prevent you from seeing “happy” dreams?

              You think too highly of yourself, come down from heaven winked
              1. FOX.
                -1
                9 March 2013 10: 40
                Quote: kNow
                You think too highly of yourself, come down from heaven

                Low self-esteem leads to the emergence of various complexes, and your “advice” can be addressed to yourself. hi
                Quote: kNow
                ask the one who is downvoting.

                So I ask. bully
                1. kNow
                  0
                  9 March 2013 10: 47
                  Quote: FOX.
                  So I ask.

                  lol the address was mixed up
                  Quote: FOX.
                  Low self-esteem leads to the emergence of various complexes

                  just like overpriced
                  1. FOX.
                    +2
                    9 March 2013 11: 56
                    Quote: kNow
                    as well as overpriced

                    But repeat this to yourself more often and I think that your mentoring tone will weaken a little. Yes Snobbery has never made a person smarter or more respected. hi
                    1. kNow
                      0
                      9 March 2013 12: 06
                      FOX.,

                      Quote: FOX.
                      and your “advice” can be addressed to yourself
          2. Gari
            0
            9 March 2013 15: 39
            You can answer for the macaw, I don’t think I have yet crossed the norms of decency
            1. kNow
              0
              9 March 2013 16: 10
              Quote: Gari
              You can answer for the macaw

              Ara (Armenian: Արա) - Armenian male name, the name of the legendary Armenian king Ara the Beautiful

              I don't understand why you're unhappy? wink
        2. Yarbay
          -2
          9 March 2013 19: 05
          Quote: Gari

          Have you been taught how to use them?

          Guess three times))))))))
          1. Gari
            -1
            9 March 2013 20: 39
            The campaign was sold along with combat crews
            1. Yarbay
              0
              10 March 2013 10: 02
              Quote: Gari

              The campaign was sold along with combat crews

              Do you have a photo of one-eared Andronik on your avatar?))))))))))))
              Okay then)))))))))))
              and for money they taught the Azerbaijani language and forced them to change their names and surnames)))))))))??
              Purely Armenian fantasies))))))))
              Continuer of the work of the one-eared man)))))))
              By the way, I also started with betrayal!!
              Apparently it's genetic!
      2. FOX.
        +2
        9 March 2013 10: 03
        Quote: Yarbay
        Azerbaijan recently received the third S-300 division under Putin and Shoigu!

        Yeah? And please publish the link to this wonderful news! Or is this another episode of an exciting series called: “Wishful thinking or how to dream happy dreams!”
        1. Rumi007
          0
          9 March 2013 14: 53
          http://www.regnum.ru/news/fd-abroad/azeri/1632777.html
          Rosoboronexport called the recent press reports about the ban on the sale of the S-300 complex to Azerbaijan by the Russian government leadership unfounded. The complex ordered by Azerbaijan has already been delivered to Baku.

          “There are no problems with the acquisition or implementation of contracts between the two countries,” the company said.

          It is noted that Rosoboronexport sees Azerbaijan as one of its important clients in the CIS. The company reported that Azerbaijan’s material capabilities today allow it to acquire the most modern weapons and equipment: “In recent years, several important agreements have been concluded between Azerbaijan and Russia. This includes various orders for the delivery of aviation, land vehicles and combat vehicles. These contracts are currently being implemented as scheduled.”
        2. Yarbay
          -1
          9 March 2013 18: 37
          Quote: FOX.
          Yeah? And please publish the link to this wonderful news! Or is this another episode of an exciting series called: “Wishful thinking or how to dream happy dreams!”

          Link??
          You are welcome!!
          Deliveries of purchased equipment and weapons carried out between Russia and Azerbaijan on the basis of bilateral agreements are carried out in a timely manner. APA was informed about this by the Russian company Rosoboronexport.

          Rosoboronexport also called unfounded reports recently disseminated in the press about a ban by the Russian government on the sale of the S-300 complex to Azerbaijan. The complex ordered by Azerbaijan has already been delivered to Baku, the press service reported.



          Подробности: http://xn--c1adwdmv.xn--p1ai/news/fd-abroad/azeri/1632777.html#ixzz2N3NDlXcK
          1. FOX.
            +1
            9 March 2013 19: 40
            Quote: Yarbay
            Link??
            You are welcome!!

            I knew that you are a storyteller, and also unscrupulous in choosing sources of information.
            What you posted here refers to 2010, and therefore is already outdated.
            BUT HERE IS MORE INFORMATION AND FROM MORE ACCEPTABLE SOURCES:
            Rosoboronexport denied deliveries of S-300 to Azerbaijan
            29.07.2010/17/22 XNUMX:XNUMX | RIA News"
            Categories: Azerbaijan Weapons
            Rosoboronexport has denied reports that Russia will allegedly supply Azerbaijan with two divisions of S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM).

            “There is no contract between Russia and Azerbaijan for the supply of S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems to this country,” Rosoboronexport official representative Vyacheslav Davydenko told RIA Novosti on Thursday.

            As the Vedomosti newspaper wrote, the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan and Rosoboronexport entered into a contract for the supply of two S-300 PMU-2 Favorit divisions to Azerbaijan.


            http://afn.by/news/i/139176

            You can continue in this spirit for a long time, but it will not make you more honest and decent.
            Those links that you gave circulate information in circles and refer to unnamed “Azerbaijani media”. Well, who are you trying to fool? Or do you want to sow distrust and discord between Armenia and Russia? Or maybe you’re just trying to scare the Armenians?...
            The tactics are well known from dealings with your “strategic partners” - the Israelis. You are a good student...
            1. Yarbay
              0
              10 March 2013 08: 09
              Quote: FOX.
              29.07.2010/17/22 XNUMX:XNUMX | RIA News"

              The storyteller is you!!)))
              You provided a link to 2010!!
              Those two S-300 complexes were delivered to Baku in 2011 and took part in a parade in Azerbaijan!!
              All complaints to Davydenko and learn to be attentive - storyteller)))
              fresher info)))))))))
              should drink less))
              1. FOX.
                0
                10 March 2013 11: 23
                Quote: Yarbay
                should drink less))

                Favorite stop of all balabols!!! And yours - especially! When you have nothing to say, you start spitting copiously at the monitor and talk a lot about alcohol. Are you not a drinker yourself? I don’t drink at all, because alcohol doesn’t take me, but even if I drank, I would sober up the next morning, and you will remain a cheap babble, not used to confirming your words with anything serious. And your colleagues are the same...
                1. Yarbay
                  +1
                  10 March 2013 11: 40
                  Quote: FOX.
                  Favorite stop of all balabols!!

                  Quote: FOX.
                  BUT HERE IS MORE INFORMATION AND FROM MORE ACCEPTABLE SOURCES:

                  and the link you provided has become fresher and the sources more acceptable due to the fact that you don’t drink??)))))
                  Is 2010 yesterday?))))))))
                  and those two divisions were transferred to Azerbaijan in 2011 and there are facts!!
                  This means you are a bastard and probably Comrade Davydenko!)))
                  1. FOX.
                    0
                    10 March 2013 11: 55
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    those two divisions were transferred to Azerbaijan in 2011 and there are facts!!

                    wassat WHAT ARE THE FACTS??? I beg you, in what trash do you find these “FACTS”? Don’t hang around in such shitholes - you won’t be able to wash yourself off later!!!
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    This means you are a bastard and probably Comrade Davydenko!)))

                    NATURALLY!!! Everyone around is a talker, except you! Especially Davydenko! fool
                    1. Yarbay
                      0
                      10 March 2013 12: 19
                      you are an old and cheap troll)))
                      So for a snack I’ll give you one more video))))
                      2011)))
                      Comrade Davydenko let you down))
                      although you’re not used to smearing spit all over your face)))
                      1. Yarbay
                        0
                        10 March 2013 12: 21


                        Hello comrade Davydenko)))))
                        2011 god))
                      2. FOX.
                        +1
                        10 March 2013 12: 58
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Hello comrade Davydenko)))))

                        You are funny and incorrigible! Is this the ONLY S-300 division that you managed to receive from Serdyukov and Medvedev at the beginning of 2010? So that's all! Lafa is over!
                        So wipe yourself!!! laughing This is what happens when you spit at the ceiling...
                        And this video did not make you a clean visitor to the site!!! They remained a chatterbox as they were. Congratulations... bully
                      3. Yarbay
                        0
                        10 March 2013 13: 16
                        Quote: FOX.
                        You are funny and incorrigible!


                        You are the funny and incorrigible one)))
                        You still haven’t understood that the link you provided to Comrade Davydenko in 2010 is specifically about those two divisions, the sale of which was hidden for a long time and which they tried not to advertise before the parade in Baku in Russia!?)))
                        open your eyes, the * fresh * link you provided was from 2010)))
                        Learn to be attentive))
                      4. FOX.
                        0
                        10 March 2013 15: 01
                        Quote: FOX.
                        You are funny and incorrigible!

                        Quote: Yarbay
                        You are the funny and incorrigible one)))

                        It seems that your vocabulary is very small (excluding insults).
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        hid for a long time and which they tried not to advertise before the parade in Baku in Russia!?)))

                        Top secret deal? wassat
                        You are starting to look pathetic, even compared to your past comments...
                      5. kNow
                        0
                        10 March 2013 12: 45
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        you are an old and cheap troll)))

                        don't feed this troll... this is the reincarnation of David laughing let him rage, there are enough sensible people here to debate. And this is all God's dew...
                      6. Yarbay
                        0
                        10 March 2013 12: 48
                        Quote: kNow
                        don't feed this troll... this is the reincarnation of David

                        Yes, I know him well!!
                        An ordinary troll and a Nazi!
                        David has nothing to do with it)))
                        He is offended by me and believes that Omar and I are the same people!))
                        Previously I wrote something else, now I’m offended!
                      7. FOX.
                        0
                        10 March 2013 13: 11
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Yes, I know him well!!

                        Apparently not good enough!
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Nazi!

                        Unlike you and others like you, I do not lick the heels of the Jews and do not blindly bow to the Turks, but passionately love my people and my land. You won’t understand this, because there is no smell of profit here and there is no market spirit.
                      8. FOX.
                        +1
                        10 March 2013 13: 00
                        Quote: kNow
                        This is the reincarnation of David

                        Just as I was Felix, I still am.
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    1. +5
      8 March 2013 20: 41
      The arms trade is a separate issue, if Baku allocated money, then there will be a purchase, ours will not sell, the Israelis and other Franks will sell with great pleasure. Here at least our military-industrial complex is profitable. Regarding the war, don’t get too worked up either; Armenia is no longer protected by its weapons, which are generally available in sufficient quantities, but by treaties. Also, for Armenians, if anything, they should wage a defensive war, or an offensive one, and defending is much cheaper, especially in the mountains, where offensive weapons (tanks, planes, etc.) are limited in their use.
      1. Macaroni
        0
        8 March 2013 22: 25
        and the Azians won’t have partisans
      2. Fidain
        +1
        9 March 2013 00: 31
        Just don’t forget that Petriot is not even close to the S-300
        1. Baboon
          +2
          9 March 2013 00: 33
          The S-400 is already being put into service, and the S-500 is in development
    2. Macaroni
      +1
      8 March 2013 22: 23
      Quote from rudolf
      still a member of the CSTO

      Why not yet?
    3. Gari
      +1
      9 March 2013 03: 07
      It’s true that even despite all this, he’s still a member of the CSTO, betrayed and deceived
  10. nickname 1 and 2
    0
    8 March 2013 14: 09
    Just like Israel and Palestine. Bodies and antibodies. cat and dog. etc.
  11. +8
    8 March 2013 14: 10
    I hope Russia will help Armenia if anything....
    1. +7
      8 March 2013 16: 39
      Quote: ausguck
      Russia will help Armenia if anything...

      ... fighters of Armenian nationality.
      1. +1
        9 March 2013 11: 03
        Quote: antiaircrafter
        fighters of Armenian nationality.

        According to the latest census, we have 1 million 180 thousand Armenians, IMHO we will arm at least 300 thousand fighters and go forward to defend our historical homeland (I’m afraid only more than 1% will not go to fight) hi
        1. Gari
          +1
          9 March 2013 15: 42
          Don’t be afraid, they’ll go, they’ve already gone once, they’ve gathered from all over the world
          1. -1
            9 March 2013 21: 39
            man lives for yesterday...
    2. +3
      8 March 2013 21: 44
      Of course, this is the only bridgehead in the southern Caucasus.
      1. vilenich
        0
        9 March 2013 09: 24
        Quote: Simon
        Of course, this is the only bridgehead in the southern Caucasus.

        And even then, it's quite shaky...
    3. Yarbay
      0
      9 March 2013 00: 56
      Quote: ausguck

      I hope Russia will help Armenia if anything....

      And the Armenians, as always, will be *grateful*))))))))))


      then I wonder why on their forums in their friends of Russia insult Russian and even moderators believe that this is normal ??


      according to television, they said that I’m a Nazi snout, the Israeli bastards in Israel also cause confusion, that you are clinging with this beast to the Arabs, let me be a Nazi snake, Sky bastards and scum (well, I'm a Nazi snout, = scum and scum), they learn what’s what, the people are completely hoarse
      http://forum.hayastan.com/index.php?showtopic=14923&st=3800&p=909007&#entry90900







      7

      Again, Russian troops are already in Artsakh ?? it wasn’t enough for Artsakh to pay for stinky asses of Russians like Armenia does
      http://forum.hayastan.com/index.php?showtopic=41969&st=1250&p=926813&#entry92681







      3

      Russians are a pig for Hitler, a subhuman for a European, scum for an American, why should this Russian be something special for an Armenian?
      http://forum.hayastan.com/index.php?showtopic=41969&st=1550&p=934158&#entry93415







      8

      and why help *great warriors*?)))))))))))))))))))))))
  12. tm70-71
    +1
    8 March 2013 14: 21
    Armenians and Azerbaijanis must figure it out themselves, without the interference of Russia and Turkey
    1. Meth
      +8
      8 March 2013 14: 26
      Quote: tm70-71
      Armenians and Azerbaijanis must figure it out themselves, without the interference of Russia and Turkey

      Yeah, until the complete destruction of each other... wink
      1. +6
        8 March 2013 17: 45
        Here I do not agree, who and who and the Armenians are a more adequate people, and they have a common religion with us.
    2. Macaroni
      +2
      8 March 2013 22: 27
      Türkiye will not abandon its claims.
      Since the XNUMXth century, she tried to exterminate Armenia and sometimes used Azerbaijan
    3. Fidain
      +2
      9 March 2013 00: 33
      The council was not too late, even in 1988 Turkish officers were already beating the Azerbaijanis, and both Chechen Wahhabis and Arab terrorists were noted in the first war
  13. +4
    8 March 2013 14: 39
    All problems can be solved, including Nagorno-Karabakh. Azerbaijan should not forget that in the event of a military conflict, the United States can only provide them with technical and diplomatic support. It is fraught with direct conflict because the Russian border is nearby. The result of the confrontation is the division of Azerbaijan... and hedgehogs with them.
    1. Moritz
      +4
      8 March 2013 15: 27
      Quote: uizik
      All problems can be solved, including Nagorno-Karabakh. Azerbaijan should not forget that in the event of a military conflict, the United States can only provide them with technical and diplomatic support. It is fraught with direct conflict because the Russian border is nearby. The result of the confrontation is the division of Azerbaijan... and hedgehogs with them.

      this problem has been solved a long time ago, we just have to create the appearance of confrontation - the Caucasus, no one wants to seem weak, and plus both “conflicting” parties receive dividends from sponsors.
      I gave the article a minus because the author does not go out into the street and does not see the obvious, how two irreconcilable peoples feel very well in Russia and somehow come to an agreement here.
      I remember back in February 1989, how they began to call up reservists from our city and when rumors spread that they were going to Karabakh, the very next day at the market people of Caucasian nationality stood behind the counters with a sign around their necks “I am Georgian.” And since then, their commercial interests in Russia have grown by an order of magnitude; just look at who owns the companies involved in the construction of Vladivostok, who owns the largest shopping centers. And if we assume that someone in Azerbaijan gets itchy, as the author of the article writes, then the entire Azerbaijani diaspora from Russia will instantly go to make a color revolution in Baku.
      1. +5
        8 March 2013 17: 48
        Here I do not agree, there is such a thing as geopolitics, if you look closely, it is beneficial for the Russian Federation to take Azerbaijan out of the game, especially in the supply of hydrocarbons.
        A small war for 10 years will remove plans to compete with the Russian Federation.
      2. Macaroni
        +1
        8 March 2013 22: 29
        Quote: moritz
        I remember back in February 1989, how they began to call up reservists from our city and when rumors spread that they were going to Karabakh, the very next day at the market people of Caucasian nationality stood behind the counters with a sign around their necks “I am Georgian.”

        The Armenians will help. If not by fighting, then at least financially
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    1. -5
      8 March 2013 23: 22
      Excuse me, what does the CSTO have to do with it? Azerbaijan is not going to attack Armenia, but wants to return ITS TERRITORY, BY THE WAY, WHICH RUSSIA HAS RECOGNIZED THE INTEGRITY!!!
      1. Gari
        +6
        9 March 2013 03: 12
        What kind of territory is that which the Trotskyists and Turkish Kemalists gave to you, especially since today’s Azerbaijan considers itself the legal successor of precisely that Musavatist republic, and neither Lowland nor Nagorno-Karabakh was included in it, and Nakhichevan too, you can read history if you don’t believe it
        1. -4
          9 March 2013 11: 23
          History does not recognize the “Armenian interpretation”. According to you, Polurasia belongs to Armenia
          1. Gari
            +1
            9 March 2013 15: 48
            Read history, not yours, but the real universal one, by the way, according to your new written history, if I’m not mistaken, Russia was an Aggressor for you
            1. 0
              9 March 2013 21: 46
              Read the story, not yours, but the real one Gari,
            2. 0
              9 March 2013 21: 47
              Gari,

              rrgshrgrgrgrgrshgrgshrshgrgshrgshrtolrngorgyroshshl
            3. 0
              9 March 2013 21: 49
              GariRead history, not yours, but the real universal one, by the way, according to your new written history, if I’m not mistaken, Russia was an Aggressor for you


              awesome
            4. 0
              9 March 2013 21: 55
              I still remember the maps of “great Armenia” published in the 70s. There, half of Turkey, the entire northern Caucasus, all of Syria, 70% of Iran are “Armenia”
  15. +5
    8 March 2013 15: 06
    I think that with whom is Russia the issue has been resolved.

    Almost two years ago, a significant event took place in the life of the Russian community of Nagorno-Karabakh - the ceremonial laying of the Orthodox Church - the Church of the Intercession of the Holy Virgin - took place.

    http://rusedin.ru/2012/05/13/v-nagornom-karabaxe-zhdut-stroitelstva-pravoslavnog

    o-xrama/


    But our support does not mean consent to military operations, much less support for such a policy, either at the political level or at the military level.
    This also applies to the sale of weapons.
    We understand that any state needs the latest weapons, primarily to repel an aggressor. But precisely to fight back, and not for a preemptive strike on neighbors.

    Father Alexander consecrates the Orthodox cross on the site of the future temple
    1. Macaroni
      0
      8 March 2013 22: 31
      Quote: Ruswolf
      But precisely to fight back, and not for a preemptive strike on neighbors.

      do you seriously think that the az will use weapons to fight back?
  16. -14
    8 March 2013 15: 08
    Stupid one-sided article
    What is the value of the phrase that Russia, as a member of the OSCE Minsk Group, is concerned about the supply of weapons to Azerbaijan, and the fact that Russia, as a member of this group, is actively arming Armenia free of charge and also sells weapons to Azerbaijan S-300, MI-35 in huge quantities Mi-117, too, a license for production of Kalash, etc. So, the author is being hypocritical when he wants to present a conflict between the Russian Federation and Armenia, and Azerbaijan with the Western world. Let us recall the most powerful diasporas of Armenians in the West, the Americans only sell weapons of naval importance because of Iran, everything else is blocked by the Armenian lobby. The USA is the only member of the OSCE Minsk Group that OFFICIALLY ALLOCATES FUNDS FOR THE REGIME IN NAGORNO-KARABAKH!!! Nobody considers these Americans our allies. Yes, Israel is definitely on our side, historically we have a good attitude towards Jews, and besides, Israel benefits well and heavily armed Azerbaijani army in northern Iran.

    And it would be better for Russia that Azerbaijan was on its side. From the fact that it defends Armenia, it receives nothing, subsidizes its economy and free weapons, and the attitude of both the local population (what is the dilemma with Russian schools in Armenia) and the leadership Being members of the CSTO, they actively cooperate with NATO and other structures.
    And most importantly, their power is in their lobby, and the potential of this lobby is IN THE WEST!!! They are still forced to be with the Russian Federation because of Karabakh, no matter how they boast about what kind of warriors they are, they understand perfectly well that without the protection of a Russian soldier they will be LITERALLY destroyed!!
    It is necessary now for Azerbaijan to establish a strategic alliance that will give the Russian Federation huge energy deposits, this republic buys everything for money, itself invests in the economies of different countries, including the Russian Federation, the North Caucasus region. Azerbaijan will give strength to the Russian Federation, and will not absorb it, like Armenia .Plus, this is an Islamic republic, and being in conflict with it, the Russian Federation will not add advantages to it, not in the Islamic world, not in the Turkic and Caucasus. Armenia can be bypassed, but Azerbaijan can only be done through the Russian Federation or through Iran. Both the Russian Federation and Iran are not friends of the West, having taken the last link as an ally, you can take the West even more tightly by the balls. But in the 90s, Yeltsin forced us to invite Western companies, when in response to the appeal of Heydar Aliyev and the exploitation of our fields by Russian companies, your Yeltsin sent us to one place, then support and armament of Armenia, again forced us to look for allies on the side and diversify our weapons with Israeli models, and now, supporting more and more Armenians, we are increasingly pushing into the West.
    1. +14
      8 March 2013 15: 45
      Quote: Yeraz
      She gets nothing from defending Armenia.

      Well, except for the free military base, unlike Azerbaijan, which covered the leased Gabala
      1. -3
        8 March 2013 19: 52
        Quote: Vadivak
        Well, except for the free military base, unlike Azerbaijan, which covered the leased Gabala

        Yes, if you had at least maintained neutrality, your base would have stood still. And if you provided support, then even though everything was unplanned, the base employees would live in chocolate.
        1. Baboon
          -4
          8 March 2013 21: 05
          I personally, too, am in favor of Russia supporting Azerbaijan at one time, well, there would simply be some advantages from joint cooperation, and there would be bases, and they would help us fight Wahhabism, and together we would discuss what policy to pursue regarding oil.
        2. Fidain
          +2
          9 March 2013 00: 39
          Do you know what loyalty to an ally is?! For you, Turkey is an ally and began to beat NATO, and NATO’s goal, despite the fact that the Warsaw Pact no longer exists, remains the destruction of the Russian Federation as a power.
          1. -1
            9 March 2013 11: 30
            good "ally"!! from the last word of the terrorist Zatikyan in the case of the Moscow metro explosion in 1977 - “I took revenge on Russia for the occupation of Armenia.” Yeah, Russians have a short memory
            1. Gari
              0
              9 March 2013 15: 53
              Some Soviet dissidents, in particular A.D. Sakharov, protested against the verdict, arguing that the guilt of those convicted had not been proven. The object of criticism was primarily the secret nature of the process. In his letter to L. I. Brezhnev on January 30, 1979, Sakharov demanded a suspension of execution of the sentence and a new trial. According to him,
              There are good reasons to fear that there is a miscarriage of justice or deliberate falsification in this case. Zatikyan was not in Moscow at the time of the subway explosion - many witnesses can confirm his alibi; the investigation showed no interest in clarifying this and other important circumstances. The trial, unnecessarily, was completely closed and secret; even the relatives knew nothing about it. Such a trial, in which the principle of transparency is completely violated, cannot establish the truth...
              One of the leaders of the underground Neocommunist Party of the Soviet Union, A. N. Tarasov, says in his memoirs that four months after the bombings, he was detained on suspicion of organizing them and released only after he proved his “three hundred percent” alibi (he was during the attack lying in the hospital). He also expresses doubts in the official version:
              ... since I remember how they convinced me that it was I who detonated this bomb, I have strong doubts that Zatikyan and his two comrades, shot in this case, really detonated this bomb. I also have a strong suspicion that if it weren’t for this “three hundred percent” alibi, they would have shot me instead of Zatikyan[20].
              1. -1
                9 March 2013 21: 58
                in your opinion, the KGB of the USSR was bribed by the Turks and Azerbaijanis
      2. Gari
        +3
        9 March 2013 15: 50
        The Russian military base in Armenia is the only one among similar bases outside Russian territory for which the host country receives neither rent nor even compensation for operating expenses. Armenia pays all expenses and bills of this base.
        1. kNow
          -2
          9 March 2013 16: 06
          the Armenian soldier is so fearless that
          Quote: Gari
          pays all expenses and bills of this base


          laughing
          1. Gari
            -1
            9 March 2013 20: 57
            Well, yes, bargain for Gabala and eventually kick out
            1. kNow
              0
              9 March 2013 21: 10
              Gari,
              Our own country - we set the rules ourselves. And we don’t sit on the forum soaped up winked and we don’t swear allegiance while blowing up the subway
    2. Moritz
      +8
      8 March 2013 15: 52
      Quote: Yeraz
      so now, supporting more and more Armenians, we are increasingly wedged into the West.

      But Azerbaijanis love to live and do business in the east. So, dear, don’t tell tales here about the gap between Azerbaijan and Russia.
      1. -3
        8 March 2013 19: 54
        Quote: moritz
        But Azerbaijanis love to live and do business in the east. So, dear, don’t tell tales here about the gap between Azerbaijan and Russia.

        there is a political abyss because of Russia. I wrote that Azerbaijan would be better off with the Russian Federation, after all, we lived together, we are familiar with the Russian mentality, just as Russians are familiar with the Caucasian mentality. And a political abyss can lead to a national one.
      2. Yarbay
        0
        9 March 2013 01: 10
        Quote: moritz
        But Azerbaijanis love to live and do business in the east.

        You are mistaken, most live in their homeland and do business here!
        Unfortunately, there is a big gap between Russia and Azerbaijan!
        true between the politics of the two countries!
        1. Gari
          +2
          9 March 2013 03: 14
          According to the results of the 2002 All-Russian Population Census, 621 Azerbaijanis lived in Russia, but there is an opinion that the real number is much higher. According to some sources, the number of Azerbaijanis in Russia can reach 840 million[3], and about one million of them live in Moscow.
    3. +10
      8 March 2013 16: 42
      Quote: Yeraz
      And it would be better for Russia that Azerbaijan was on its side

      Russia itself will decide who is more important to it; Azerbaijan needs to decide, don’t you think? Bargaining is not appropriate, this is not the Apraksin Dvor market, stop raising your price...
      1. -5
        8 March 2013 19: 58
        Quote: Tersky
        Russia itself will decide who is more important to it; Azerbaijan needs to decide, don’t you think?

        Russia has so far determined Armenia for itself, and do you know what Azerbaijan’s choice will be?? Thanks to Ilham, he is still the norm, what other politician could be would have broken off these relations long ago, if poor Georgia had not died (although they also have a large diaspora in the Russian Federation), then the rich Azerbaijan even more so.
        Quote: Tersky
        Bargaining is not appropriate, this is not the Apraksin Dvor market, stop raising your price...

        We don’t overprice ourselves, it’s you who buy and support your other allies. We offer cooperation, you reject, help our enemy, and then you wonder why it’s not Azerbaijan yourself.
        1. Moritz
          +2
          8 March 2013 21: 11
          Quote: Yeraz
          Thanks to Ilham, he is still as normal as any other politician could be, he would have broken off these relations long ago, if poor Georgia did not die (although they also have a large diaspora in the Russian Federation), then rich Azerbaijan even more so.

          Azerbaijan is reaching out to Russia, Russia rejects friendship, and the wise Ilham is waiting. Wise Ilham simply understands that as soon as he moves from his pro-American rhetoric to real steps towards the West, he will not be president tomorrow.
          1. 0
            8 March 2013 21: 56
            Quote: moritz
            Azerbaijan is reaching out to Russia, Russia rejects friendship, and the wise Ilham is waiting. Wise Ilham simply understands that as soon as he moves from his pro-American rhetoric to real steps towards the West, he will not be president tomorrow

            No, Ilham, in the current situation, chose the maximum possible loyal option towards Russia, given the volume of assistance that the Russian Federation provides to Armenia, another president would not be as loyal to Russia as Ilham.
            1. Moritz
              +1
              9 March 2013 00: 07
              Quote: Yeraz
              No, Ilham, in the current situation, chose the maximum possible loyal option towards Russia

              he chose the option that he was forced to choose, or rather the option that was provided to him and there is no need to talk about the noble Ilham, there is no such concept in politics.
              And in my opinion, the example with the public disgrace of Telman Ismailov, and then with the public forgiveness, is precisely about what will happen if things suddenly don’t go our way. I don’t approve of Putin’s policies, but you can’t deny his ability to put him in his place. And what can Ilham do with all his oil against the Azerbaijani oligarchs who have commercial interests in Russia.
              1. Yarbay
                -4
                9 March 2013 01: 03
                Quote: moritz
                And in my opinion, the example with the public disgrace of Telman Ismailov, and then with the public forgiveness, is precisely about what will happen if things suddenly don’t go our way. I don’t approve of Putin’s policies, but you can’t deny his ability to put him in his place. And what can Ilham do with all his oil against the Azerbaijani oligarchs who have commercial interests in Russia.

                And what about Telman Ismailov?))
                Ion gave away the loot to Kadyrov and he put in a good word for him and the issue was resolved))))
                Putin couldn’t do anything to him, Ismailov is an influential Jew!!
                1. Moritz
                  0
                  9 March 2013 09: 09
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Ion gave away the loot to Kadyrov and he put in a good word for him and the issue was resolved))))

                  transferred the money through Kadyrov, it will be more correct, right?)

                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Putin couldn’t do anything to him, Ismailov is an influential Jew!!

                  somehow the “influential Jew” and “he gave away the loot to Kadyrov” don’t fit together, don’t you notice?)))
                  1. Yarbay
                    -1
                    10 March 2013 10: 24
                    Quote: moritz
                    transferred the money through Kadyrov, it would be more correct, right?

                    who cares??
                    Then the corruption of your leadership becomes a fact!
                    After all, Ismailov did not curtail his billion-dollar investments in Turkey!
                    I just gave another bribe!
              2. -2
                9 March 2013 14: 02
                Quote: moritz
                And in my opinion, the example with the public disgrace of Telman Ismailov, and then with the public forgiveness, is precisely about what will happen if things suddenly don’t go our way. I don’t approve of Putin’s policies, but you can’t deny his ability to put him in his place. And what can Ilham do with all his oil against the Azerbaijani oligarchs who have commercial interests in Russia.

                Well, you seem to be very poorly acquainted with the Azerbaijani diaspora in Russia. What does Telman Ismailov and other oligarchs have to do with Ilham Aliyev??? Don’t you understand that Russian Azerbaijanis have all their business in RUSSIA and they are crossed with the Russian elite. They are not allowed in Azerbaijan sectors of the economy here have their own oligarchs and they are basically OUR MINISTERS, and Azerbaijani oligarchs invest their main capital in the same way as other Russian oligarchs either abroad or wherever Putin orders within the country. In general, Russian investments in Azerbaijan are minimal.
                1. Moritz
                  0
                  9 March 2013 22: 22
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  Well, you seem to be very poorly acquainted with the Azerbaijani diaspora in Russia. What does Telman Ismailov and other oligarchs have to do with Ilham Aliyev??? Don’t you understand that Russian Azerbaijanis have all their business in RUSSIA and they are crossed with the Russian elite. They are not allowed in Azerbaijan sectors of the economy here have their own oligarchs and they are basically OUR MINISTERS, and Azerbaijani oligarchs invest their main capital in the same way as other Russian oligarchs either abroad or wherever Putin orders within the country. In general, Russian investments in Azerbaijan are minimal.

                  Dear Yeraz! You write everything correctly, I agree with everything you wrote. I’m not familiar with the diaspora in Russia, but it’s not difficult to draw a conclusion here. That’s just why it doesn’t occur to you that tomorrow Putin will ask those same oligarchs to solve a small issue in Azerbaijan, to relieve the headache in the form of warlike hawks. And it won’t cost them anything to solve this problem, there’s enough money for it, and Ilham Aliyev is not popularly loved by the people, Hugo Chavez.
          2. Yarbay
            -2
            9 March 2013 01: 04
            Quote: moritz
            Wise Ilham simply understands that as soon as he moves from his pro-American rhetoric to real steps towards the West, he will not be president tomorrow.







            Well, yes, and you will become president))))))))))
            my arms are short and it’s not the time!!!!
            1. Kaa
              +4
              9 March 2013 01: 09
              Quote: Yarbay
              Yarbay

              Respected Yarbay. yesterday. and here in Ukraine today there is a peaceful women’s holiday, and everyone is suffering - Kazakh-Russian. inter-Kazakh, “Middle Eastern” showdowns, maybe we can end everything together about Karabakh, Azerbaijan and Armenia? hi I ask the same from your opponents.
              1. Gari
                +3
                9 March 2013 03: 17
                Well, that’s it, it’s normal to sit in front of the computer and fight, all the heroes
                Happy March 8th to all our ladies, regardless of nationality
              2. Yarbay
                -1
                10 March 2013 08: 14
                Quote: Kaa
                Let's finish everything together about Karabakh, Azerbaijan and Armenia?

                I agree dear!!

                Why then these empty speculations of *political scientists* who publish here?
                1. Gari
                  +1
                  10 March 2013 23: 02
                  Thank you for the respect, I myself respect when they respect me, if we finish, then why did we continue today????
                  We all want to live peacefully, we all have family and friends, I’m not afraid you had friends among the Armenians, I personally had friends among the Azerbaijanis, we meet in Georgia
            2. Meth
              +3
              9 March 2013 01: 11
              Well, try to knock me over... if you can....

            3. Moritz
              +1
              9 March 2013 09: 47
              Quote: Yarbay
              Well, yes, and you will become president))))))))))

              I won’t, the future president of Azerbaijan has already been appointed in Russia))

              Quote: Yarbay
              my arms are short and it’s not the time!!!!

              the hands are not short, just lazy)) the new or the new old (if he behaves well) President of Azerbaijan will be elected by the hands of the Azerbaijani people. It's not the same time anymore, I agree. No one will crucify themselves in front of a prince sitting on an oil pipe.
              1. Yarbay
                0
                10 March 2013 09: 13
                Quote: moritz
                my arms are not short, I’m just too lazy to reach))

                Dear comrade, these are excuses!
                If only we wouldn't be lazy!
                1. Moritz
                  +2
                  10 March 2013 14: 19
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Dear comrade, these are excuses!
                  If only we wouldn't be lazy!

                  Don’t you think that your idle talk about the return of Karabakh over the course of 20 years is evidence that you have reached it a long time ago)) continue to puff out your cheeks, making an important and menacing appearance, that’s all you are capable of) this Karabakh Except for the elite and your terrible military, I didn’t bother anyone else. Everyone understands perfectly well that Aliks from the village will fight, and not the children of ministers.
                  1. Yarbay
                    0
                    10 March 2013 19: 23
                    Quote: moritz
                    Karabakh, except the elite and your terrible military, does not stand against anyone else.


                    This is where you are wrong!
                    Come and see for yourself!!
                    Talk to ordinary people!
                    Quote: moritz
                    Don’t you think that your idle talk about the return of Karabakh for 20 years


                    No, it does not seem !!
                    I believe that we prepared well and only in recent years were we able to rearm the army and prepare it at the proper level and qualitatively outstrip the enemy many times over!! The fact that we are not in a hurry is right!
                    and my son and I will fight, God willing!!
                    1. Gari
                      +1
                      10 March 2013 23: 13
                      Everyone continues to fight, and I’m talking about peace, our president also spoke about peace, but as he said, we are ready for war, don’t you understand that all this is talk to distract ordinary people from pressing problems, they say, you see it’s bad here because there is an enemy and it’s difficult for you, because we spend billions on weapons, but it’s all nonsense, they would have been ready to attack long ago, we don’t want to fight, but if you start, what’s left for us all to do, they’ll call all the reservists, and by the way with this How about you, really, everyone served in the army, can they tell the difference between a machine gun and a shovel?
                      I don’t want to brag, we all undergo military service, regardless of family status, place of residence, and they don’t shy away from joining the army, they celebrate well before that, I don’t know anyone who didn’t serve.
                      But there is only one thing we need to know: if this war happens, it will not be the same, just tanks, machine guns, and somewhere in Karabakh on the border it will be a different level, and both capitals, communications and many peaceful people may suffer - Peace to all of us
                      1. Yarbay
                        0
                        11 March 2013 08: 14
                        Quote: Gari

                        Everyone continues to fight and I tell you about peace


                        I will also tell you about peace when I liberate my territories!!
                        Quote: Gari
                        Don’t you understand that all this is talk to distract ordinary people from pressing problems, they say, you see, things are bad with us because there is an enemy and it’s difficult for you, because we spend billions on weapons

                        And here no one says that everything is bad, on the contrary, everyone says it’s good!!
                        These are the speculations of your propaganda industry!
                        Quote: Gari
                        Yes, all this is nonsense, they would have been ready to attack long ago
                        Well, you don’t understand yet, but you’re tired of the long explanation!))
                        Quote: Gari
                        I don’t want to brag, we all undergo military service, regardless of family status, place of residence, and they don’t shy away from joining the army, they celebrate well before that, I don’t know anyone who didn’t serve.

                        We have the same thing - no surprises)))
                        Quote: Gari
                        But there is only one thing we need to know: if this war happens, it will not be the same, just tanks, machine guns, and somewhere in Karabakh on the border it will be a different level, and both capitals, communications and many civilians may suffer
                        Of course, you need to understand this too!
                        Quote: Gari
                        Peace to all of us

                        After the surrender of the Armenian fascists!
        2. +1
          8 March 2013 21: 51
          We do not want to cooperate with the future aggressor. stop
          1. Macaroni
            +1
            8 March 2013 22: 37
            support
          2. +1
            8 March 2013 22: 54
            In your opinion, Armenia is not an aggressor at the moment?
          3. Baboon
            +1
            9 March 2013 00: 06
            What if it weren't for the 90s. Azerbaijan would be the best ally, they were set up. and now the future aggressors. This Armenia is already starting to look more to the west.
        3. +8
          8 March 2013 22: 30
          I don’t want to offend, but there is one thing. You are offering to cooperate with us. They don’t offer that!!! What do you have besides oil and traders in our markets!? All refineries are from Soviet times, and export pipelines were built. 88% of yours income export of hydrocarbons, mechanical engineering 1.5%. We are not buying anyone, but trying to help the Republics loyal to us. One thing I don’t understand is that the West is far away, but Russia is close, so maybe it’s not worth being rude. And as for Karabakh, there’s still not much to say and the issue will be resolved in the benefit of the latter’s independence with further annexation to Armenia. And I dare to remind everyone who is thinking of taking rash steps “about coercion to peace”
          1. 0
            8 March 2013 22: 58
            Quote: super-vitek
            with further annexation to Armenia

            Is that what you decided? Where do these conclusions come from? Do you think Azerbaijan will stand and remain silent while its lands are taken away?
            1. Moritz
              +3
              9 March 2013 00: 03
              Quote: ayyildiz
              Do you think Azerbaijan will stand and remain silent as its lands are taken away?

              to be more precise, mountains...mountains, just mountains all around. Not a bad exchange, if you ask any Azerbaijani in Russia, would he exchange his fruit stand, or even a restaurant, for the mountains of Nagorno-Karabakh, I think the answer would be obvious)
              1. 0
                9 March 2013 01: 06
                Moritz,
                You know, living in the plains is not as pleasant as living in the mountains, no matter what the landscape, just

                concrete jungle!

                The time comes when the homeland pulls you back!
                1. Gari
                  -2
                  9 March 2013 03: 20
                  How long has it been taking?
                2. Moritz
                  +3
                  9 March 2013 09: 01
                  Quote: ayyildiz
                  moritz
                  You know, living in the plains is not as pleasant as living in the mountains, no matter what the landscape, just a concrete jungle! The time comes when the homeland pulls you back!

                  At that age when your homeland pulls you back, you can’t really run through the mountains with a machine gun in your hands.
              2. -1
                9 March 2013 11: 37
                It’s stupid to judge a people by the traders at the market (although someone should do this too) We don’t judge Russians by the drunkards lying under the fences
                1. FOX.
                  +6
                  9 March 2013 12: 05
                  Quote: xetai9977
                  It’s stupid to judge a people by the traders at the market.

                  And who else should we judge by if there are no other examples? Let's decide on the image from which we should base our judgment about all Azerbaijanis. I ask you - give me an example of a non-trader.
                  Quote: xetai9977
                  ) We don’t judge Russians by their drunkards,

                  They may be lying under the fences, but these are OUR fences and they don’t go into Azerbaijan with their “booze” and don’t try to impose their opinion on you.
                  And speaking of drinking...
                  1. kNow
                    0
                    9 March 2013 12: 35
                    for example:
                    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Керим_Керимов

                    I really doubt you've heard of him...
                    1. FOX.
                      +1
                      9 March 2013 13: 59
                      Quote: kNow
                      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Керим_Керимов

                      Well, Kerim Abbas-Alievich Kerimov is a worthy person and may well become a worthy example of service to our common Motherland - the USSR, both in Russia and in Azerbaijan, but these are examples from the glorious past, but what about modern history?
                      Quote: kNow
                      I really doubt you've heard of him...

                      I will disappoint you - I heard. The fact is that I am a representative of an old officer dynasty, in which many generations of men, and, more recently, women, have served the Motherland; my children will continue this tradition. So WE know a lot about military history (including space).
                      What do you know about the history of Russian weapons and Heroes (and not only Socialist Labor)?
                      1. kNow
                        +1
                        9 March 2013 14: 44
                        Quote: FOX.
                        But what about modern history?


                        Lutfi Zadeh (founder of the theory of fuzzy sets and fuzzy logic, professor at the University of California (Berkeley).
                        He published a fundamental work on the theory of fuzzy sets in 1965, in which he outlined the mathematical apparatus of the theory of fuzzy sets. In 1973 he proposed the theory of fuzzy logic, later - the theory of soft computing, as well as the theory of verbal calculations and perceptions (computing with words and perceptions).

                        Quote: FOX.
                        The fact is that I am a representative of an old officer dynasty, in which many generations of men, and, more recently, women, have served the Motherland; my children will continue this tradition. So WE know a lot about military history (including space).
                        What do you know about the history of Russian weapons and Heroes (and not only Socialist Labor)?


                        I can’t boast of an officer dynasty, we are builders. We fought like everyone else during the war, and built in peacetime. I know enough about the history of Russian weapons, I studied at a Russian school + interest in weapons is in my blood.
                      2. +2
                        9 March 2013 18: 09
                        Quote: kNow
                        Lutfi Zadeh (founder of the theory of fuzzy sets and fuzzy logic, professor at the University of California (Berkeley).

                        FUNNY, does the respected professor live in Berkeley? What I mean is that the Americans are using the intellectual potential of the whole world!
                      3. FOX.
                        +2
                        9 March 2013 19: 25
                        Quote: kNow
                        Lutfi Zadeh (founder of the theory of fuzzy sets and fuzzy logic, professor at the University of California (Berkeley).

                        I can’t say anything about Azerbaijanis living in California, maybe there are such people, but in Russia I (and not only me) see them in the markets shouting “chamidor, chamidor...”
                        But as for military history, you can “admire” this “handsome man”...
                      4. kNow
                        -2
                        9 March 2013 20: 54
                        Quote: FOX.
                        I can’t say anything about Azerbaijanis living in California, maybe there are such people, but in Russia I (and not only me) see them in the markets shouting “chamidor, chamidor...”

                        I also don’t often have contact with Russian scientists living in California. More often I come across tourists, and only me...
                        Quote: FOX.
                        But as for military history, you can “admire” this “handsome man”...

                        I won’t respond to this photo, fortunately if you are such an expert in military history, you also know your “heroes”. But after such petty tricks, sometimes I regret that my grandfather fought in the same trench as yours...
                      5. FOX.
                        +1
                        9 March 2013 21: 09
                        Quote: kNow
                        But after such petty tricks, sometimes I regret that my grandfather fought in the same trench as yours...

                        Did he, this grandfather of yours, fight? Cheap seher in the spirit of Aron Zaavi, who is still happy that his children do not study in a Russian school.
                        Quote: kNow
                        you know your “heroes”.

                        Yes, we also know our “heroes” and remember these scoundrels led by Vlasov, but we also have someone to be proud of. And not only by emigrants who left the country...
                      6. kNow
                        0
                        9 March 2013 21: 23
                        Quote: FOX.
                        Did he, this grandfather of yours, fight?

                        I’m not going to prove anything to anyone, and I certainly didn’t fight for people like you...
                        Quote: FOX.
                        Cheap seher in the spirit of Aron Zaavi, who is still happy that his children do not study in a Russian school.

                        I'm starting to understand Zaavi. Our children will grow up knowing Russian, go to some Russian forum and read that their grandfathers who did not return from the war were traitors and traders. What have you sunk to...

                        Quote: FOX.
                        Yes, we also know our “heroes” and remember these scoundrels led by Vlasov, but we also have someone to be proud of. And not only by emigrants who left the country...

                        I understood the joke with the photo. You don't have to make excuses.
                      7. FOX.
                        +1
                        9 March 2013 21: 42
                        Quote: kNow
                        What have you sunk to...

                        Unfortunately, you are right and it was not worth stooping to your level, but there is simply no other way to show you who you are in the modern world. But, having closed this page, I will become myself again, and you will remain... Well, in general, the same as you were.
                        Quote: kNow
                        grandfathers were traitors and traders.

                        I’m not sure about the traitors, but about the traders - why were there? You still are! Or can you refute this?
                        You will not see Nagorno-Karabakh as your own ears because there are not and never have been warriors in Azerbaijan, but there were (and are) traders who are only capable of slaughtering the weak and defenseless, and even then in a crowd of one. And no amount of saber rattling will help you. "Those born to crawl cannot fly"
                        Quote: kNow
                        I understood the joke with the photo. You don't have to make excuses.

                        You didn’t understand anything, and no wonder. And I'm not making excuses, I'm laughing at you... hi
                      8. kNow
                        -3
                        9 March 2013 21: 51
                        FOX.,
                        I just feel sorry for you what remain yourself... create, every 70 years raze what you have built to the ground, making an offended face at everyone around you, shave your head and shout “Heil”, surrender your allies one by one, pretend to be tough next to tiny states like Georgia and growl toothlessly on larger...
                        And dream of going somewhere to the States...
                        Quote: FOX.
                        I'm laughing at you..

                        laughing The whole world is making fun of you...
                      9. FOX.
                        +1
                        9 March 2013 22: 14
                        kNow,
                        Well, we have reached your innermost thoughts. Otherwise you keep talking about friendship... But everything turns out to be much simpler. You simply hate the country that did not allow you to massacre the Armenians in Karabakh, did not believe your false assurances of friendship and keeps you on a short leash. This will continue to happen, and as soon as you move in the wrong direction, you will immediately have to remember the sad experience of neighboring Georgia.
                        Quote: kNow
                        I just feel sorry for you

                        Considering all of the above, you better feel sorry for yourself. You won’t envy you - on one side is America, on the other is Russia... So you have to turn around...
                        Quote: kNow
                        The whole world is making fun of you...

                        And this is said by a “person” who enters the site under the American flag? I remember that there were already some guys beating here under German flags, who also made fun of them, so where are they now?
                        And besides, Azerbaijan, Israel and the USA are not the whole world... fool
                      10. kNow
                        -1
                        9 March 2013 22: 28
                        Quote: FOX.
                        Well, we have reached your innermost thoughts. Otherwise you keep talking about friendship...

                        When talking about relations between countries, I never use the terms “friendship, loyalty, enmity, resentment,” etc. These terms apply to interpersonal relations, but not to interstate ones. There are only national interests and pragmatism here.
                        Quote: FOX.
                        You simply hate the country that did not allow you to massacre the Armenians in Karabakh, did not believe your false assurances of friendship and keeps you on a short leash.

                        There are enough reasons to hate your state, but I will disappoint you - I have different evaluation criteria.
                        Quote: FOX.
                        You won’t envy you - on one side is America, on the other is Russia... So you have to turn around...

                        A gap in languages, a gap in geography... Our big neighbors are Turkey, Iran and Russia, but not America laughing You have to think about what to do, that’s life. The main thing is that others don’t twirl tongue
                        Quote: FOX.
                        And this is said by a “person” who enters the site under the American flag? I remember that there were already some guys beating here under German flags, who also made fun of them, so where are they now?

                        And another gap in IT...
                      11. FOX.
                        0
                        9 March 2013 22: 51
                        Quote: kNow
                        There are only national interests and pragmatism here.

                        If our ancestors traded tomatoes, then what can we expect from their descendants?
                        Bought cheaper, sold more expensive, that’s the whole policy from your point of view. Oh well...
                        Quote: kNow
                        Our big neighbors are Türkiye, Iran and Russia, but not America

                        It was difficult to expect you to have abstract thinking, but not to the same extent... Okay, I’ll try to go down to YOUR level again and remind you that the USA is behind Turkey. and behind Iran is Russia, is it clear now? So you move between two... countries.
                        Quote: kNow
                        The main thing is that others don’t twirl

                        By the way, correct correction, thank you...
                        Quote: kNow
                        And another gap in IT...

                        This is not a space, it is a hint (which you also did not understand) that you are working under a proxy, which is buggy and suggests that you are not who you are trying to pretend to be. hi
                      12. kNow
                        -2
                        9 March 2013 23: 05
                        Quote: FOX.
                        If our ancestors traded tomatoes, then what can we expect from their descendants?
                        Bought cheaper, sold more expensive, that’s the whole policy from your point of view. Oh well..

                        Tomatoes, tomatoes... Does your level not allow you to rise higher?
                        Quote: FOX.
                        and behind Iran is Russia,

                        How unlucky Iran is. Stand behind Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc. Or will you finally get into a fight? laughing Stand firm, since they refused to sell the S-300 to Iran, instead selling them to us in violation of all CSTO treaties, to the detriment of their only ally in the Caucasus....

                        Quote: FOX.

                        This is not a space, it is a hint (which you also did not understand) that you are working under a proxy, which is buggy and suggests that you are not who you are trying to pretend to be.

                        Oh!! how badly I disguised myself winked I have no desire to engage in your education, contact the admins, they will explain
                      13. FOX.
                        +4
                        9 March 2013 23: 26
                        Quote: kNow
                        They refused to sell the S-300 to Iran, instead selling them to us

                        Can you justify this or will you end up in trouble like Yarbay?
                        Quote: kNow
                        How unlucky Iran is.

                        To be born and live in Azerbaijan is the highest measure of punishment ever used in the history of mankind. This is the most cynical evil that can happen to a person, even at the stage of conception. This is heavenly punishment sent to us, it is not clear for what sins.

                        Author of the words Alekper Aliyev, resident of Baku Source
                        http://kultura.az/articles.php?item_id=20110830083215869&sec
                        Is there anything else that needs to be added?
                        Quote: kNow
                        I have no desire to educate you,

                        Can you do it? After this video I seriously doubt...
                      14. kNow
                        -4
                        9 March 2013 23: 41
                        Quote: FOX.
                        Can you justify this or will you end up in trouble like Yarbay?

                        like now I have to prove that you sold the S-300 to Iran, but not to us?
                        Quote: FOX.
                        To be born and live in Azerbaijan is the highest measure of punishment ever used in the history of mankind. This is the most cynical evil that can happen to a person, even at the stage of conception. This is heavenly punishment sent to us, it is not clear for what sins.
                        Author of the words Alekper Aliyev, resident of Baku Source
                        http://kultura.az/articles.php?item_id=20110830083215869&sec

                        Well, Fox, it's not serious laughing I can also give quotes about the unwashed country of slaves and masters, but why?
                      15. FOX.
                        +4
                        9 March 2013 23: 54
                        Quote: kNow
                        Now I have to prove that you sold the S-300 to Iran, but not to us?

                        Try to prove that Russia sold you the S-300.
                        Quote: kNow
                        Well, Fox, it's not serious

                        You think so? After all, this was written not in the 19th century (like Lermontov’s words to which you are hinting), but in our days. hi
                      16. kNow
                        -3
                        10 March 2013 00: 01
                        Quote: FOX.
                        Try to prove that Russia sold you the S-300.

                        try to open your eyes wider and watch the video on this page
                        Quote: FOX.
                        You think so? After all, this was written not in the 19th century (like Lermontov’s words to which you are hinting), but in our days.

                        You better listen to Lermontov, he will be more merciful...
                      17. FOX.
                        +2
                        10 March 2013 00: 12
                        Quote: kNow
                        try to open your eyes wider and watch the video on this page

                        I prefer official sources.
                        http://afn.by/news/i/139176
                        Quote: kNow
                        you better listen to Lermontov,

                        ??? Actually, Lermontov died in the summer of 1841 (I hope I didn’t shock you with this news), how can I hear him? belay
                      18. kNow
                        -2
                        10 March 2013 00: 19
                        Quote: FOX.
                        I prefer official sources.
                        http://afn.by/news/i/139176

                        what fresh news from an official source!!!
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xKY9uN1PCc
                        watch from 0:44 minutes laughing
                        Quote: FOX.
                        Actually, Lermontov died in the summer of 1841 (I hope I didn’t shock you with this news)

                        Soooo, it can't be! what a pity! I'm shocked!
                        Quote: FOX.
                        how can I hear him

                        I’ll try to help you - buy an audiobook and listen - is this option suitable?
                      19. FOX.
                        -1
                        10 March 2013 00: 23
                        Quote: kNow
                        buy an audiobook and listen

                        The costs of modern enlightenment... I prefer to read books by turning over paper pages. This, you know, improves literacy.
                      20. +4
                        9 March 2013 23: 39
                        The S-300 is a digital technology, which means if something happens...
                      21. kNow
                        -1
                        10 March 2013 00: 03
                        hrych,
                        Will "Friend-Alien" help? Given the close cooperation between Azerbaijan and Israel in the defense industry, I would not rely on this...
                      22. +2
                        10 March 2013 00: 12
                        No, not friend or foe, much worse, the example of Iraq.
                      23. kNow
                        0
                        10 March 2013 00: 21
                        Quote: hrych
                        example Iraq.

                        tell me what was there, interesting, I think I missed something
                      24. +3
                        10 March 2013 00: 40
                        Hussein bought French digital air defense control systems cheaply, but at hour X they were simply turned off by the manufacturer’s code signal. Here is a computer, a cell phone, etc. Digital technology at a certain moment can start working against you, but here such a complex complex, well, won’t the manufacturer take care of the “back door”. So they say about Georgia that the Israelis handed over the codes to Russia for failure to supply systems to the Iranians, well, they say, and our aviation suffered losses from our own analog Buks, secretly donated by Yusch, for which he lost his throne. And the Armenians will always come to an agreement with the Jews and cheat everyone, believe me.
                      25. kNow
                        0
                        10 March 2013 00: 46
                        Quote: hrych
                        Here is a computer, a cell phone, etc. Digital technology at a certain moment can start working against you, but here such a complex complex, well, won’t the manufacturer take care of the “back door”.

                        I’ve heard about electronic patches, but this is the first time I’ve heard about the case with the French. Thank you.
                      26. +4
                        10 March 2013 00: 59
                        You're welcome.
                      27. Yarbay
                        0
                        10 March 2013 12: 05
                        Quote: hrych

                        Hussein bought French digital air defense control systems cheaply, but at hour X they were simply turned off by the manufacturer’s code signal. Here is a computer, a cell phone, etc. digital technology at a certain moment can start working against you, but here such a complex complex, well, won’t the manufacturer take care of the “back door”


                        Buyers are no longer suckers either!
                        We've learned to identify bookmarks a long time ago!
                        And you must admit, it’s not that difficult!
                        with respect!
                      28. +4
                        10 March 2013 12: 27
                        Here, Yarbay, in digital technology, there are no bookmarks as such, there are integrated circuits controlled by the operating system, there is a special parasite program that will either freeze the operating system at the right time, etc. There was a scandal when the Ministry of Defense purchased imported equipment to control our strategic forces, where losses were calculated at billions of dollars. Now wars are digital, where electronic warfare is one of the main components, as the reconciliation of the Georgians showed.
                      29. Yarbay
                        -1
                        10 March 2013 12: 51
                        Quote: hrych
                        Here, Yarbay, in digital technology

                        You are right about this, of course, but I think this is unlikely to be abused!
                        then no one would buy weapons from anyone!
                      30. +4
                        10 March 2013 13: 10
                        That is why the French do not report such a feat when they deprived Iraq of centralized command and control of troops and air defense. And yet, as a rule, normal strategists (which does not apply to Hussein) do not purchase such equipment from a potential enemy, and Saddam headed west. Such systems can be produced by countries that can be counted on the fingers of one hand. And the Israelis stand out here, who sell systems to the Indians and their enemies, the Chinese and Pakistanis, and then for a fee they sell the codes to the enemy and everyone is happy, but if a big war happens, someone will go blind.
                      31. Yarbay
                        -1
                        10 March 2013 13: 53
                        Quote: hrych
                        Such systems can be produced by countries counted on the fingers of one hand

                        I think that’s why self-respecting countries strive to create their own defense industry! Perhaps there will be success not in a year, or in 5 years, but in 10 years they will do something!
                        Quote: hrych
                        That's why the French don't show off, such a feat

                        Well, if you and I know, then the leaders of all countries know!
                        I think this is not an argument!!
                        And Sadamm also had Soviet weapons!
                        There the problem was different!
                        with respect!
                      32. +3
                        10 March 2013 14: 11
                        That’s right, Dear, but the problem, for example, of positioning systems and not only that, is the presence of an orbital satellite constellation, Avax systems, etc., which not everyone can afford. So the civilian ZhoPaS was turned off in 08, but when ours captured humvees with US equipment, Bush personally begged to be returned, in general, this was for the MIG-25 stolen by Belenko, when the entire army had to change friend or foe units. In general, the French systems that Hussein fell for worked well in the Falklands conflict, when they battered the British, especially the Exocet missile. Information is scarce, but they say that in Desert Storm, even French-made anti-aircraft missiles were stupidly disabled, only Russian analogue weapons remained in service.
                      33. Yarbay
                        -1
                        10 March 2013 15: 56
                        Quote: hrych
                        So the civilian ZhoPaS was turned off in 08, but when ours captured humvees with US equipment, Bush personally begged to be returned, in general, this was for the MIG-25 stolen by Belenko, when the entire army had to change friend or foe units.

                        I remember this incident))
                        jo Pas - very much)))))
                      34. FOX.
                        0
                        10 March 2013 13: 13
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        but I think this is unlikely to be abused!

                        Zh, simplicity-simplicity! Or stupidity?
                      35. FOX.
                        +2
                        10 March 2013 00: 12
                        Quote: kNow
                        given the close cooperation between Azerbaijan and Israel

                        It's worse for you!
                      36. +5
                        9 March 2013 23: 35
                        That Georgia and Azerbaijan are tiny is not our fault, but your misfortune. We do not create allies, for example Syria, and Armenia, which you already dislike (I ask you not to write Libya as an ally, they have never been ours, Muamora has sidekicks Silvio and Nicolas). It’s cool to growl at big ones, but we just have teeth and these teeth are “Satan”, “Stiletto”, “Sineva”, “Bulava” and “Topol”. Who is making fun of us? The West is actually afraid of us, but apparently they are making fun of us from GUAM, a kind of bunch of offended, circumcised kids, militarily incapable of preserving the territory, and blaming Russia for not intervening on their side and why is this frightened. Remember, colleague, Russia owes nothing to anyone, to everyone, forgives everything and puts it on everyone.
                      37. kNow
                        -5
                        9 March 2013 23: 51
                        Quote: hrych

                        That Georgia and Azerbaijan are tiny is not our fault, but your misfortune.

                        What is true is true, this is a disaster, especially surrounded by 3 large states.
                        Quote: hrych
                        We do not create allies, for example Syria, and Armenia, which you already dislike (I ask you not to write Libya as an ally, they have never been ours, Muamora has sidekicks Silvio and Nicolas)

                        Okay, let's leave Libya. But I’ll argue about Armenia. The supply of weapons to its direct enemy - only the hopeless situation of Armenia forces it to put up with this. By the way, this is a violation of the CSTO treaties. Disrespect your own word given to an ally, disrespect...
                        Quote: hrych
                        It’s cool to growl at big ones, but we just have teeth and these teeth are “Satan”, “Stiletto”, “Sineva”, “Bulava” and “Topol”.

                        Are you sure they will fly at the right time? especially considering the frequency with which Russian missiles, satellites, etc. falling into the ocean...
                        Quote: hrych
                        The West is actually afraid of us

                        Controversial issue. They do what they want and where they want. Apart from protests from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, you are not responding with anything.
                      38. +5
                        10 March 2013 00: 26
                        As for the missiles, rest assured, they will fly where they're supposed to, even if a couple of them malfunction and ruin America. The sale of defensive weapons to the Armenians is not a threat; if the Topol-M had been supplied, then they would have had to take some shit. What is the violation of the treaty? CSTO? They do whatever they want, this is only in accordance with Putin’s plan, he directly said that he supports the staff in Afghanistan, otherwise we will waste money and the lives of soldiers in the fight against the Taliban, we need to understand the guy. Syria is a separate issue, our base is there and we will not give it up, just like in Armenia. Everything that the states do is, oddly enough, agreed upon with us, incl. and the liquidation of Libya, it was necessary. After all, they also let us kill the Georgians, and their secretaries of state were indignant and shut up, politics and bargaining, at least equal players.
                      39. kNow
                        -4
                        10 March 2013 00: 37
                        Quote: hrych
                        As for the missiles, be calm, they will fly where they are supposed to,

                        We don't care about this, the main thing is that you stay calm...
                        Quote: hrych
                        They do whatever they want, it’s only in accordance with Putin’s plan, he directly said that he supports the staff in Afghanistan, otherwise we’ll waste money and the lives of soldiers in the fight against the Taliban, we need to understand the guy

                        You support the United States in Afghanistan, which patronizes drug production and subsequent distribution on your territory. Khrych, you're not so naive...
                        Quote: hrych
                        After all, they also let us kill the Georgians, and their secretaries of state were indignant and shut up, politics and bargaining, at least equal players.

                        Khrych, what have you won in Georgia? Did you place your military bases there? Your military were already there, although they were called peacekeepers. The government was not changed, the territory was not seized. They stayed where they were. True, the Georgians began to regard you as occupiers, whereas before they were called peacemakers...
                      40. +3
                        10 March 2013 01: 15
                        Not quite so, there were only peacekeepers there without heavy weapons and air defense systems, and now full-fledged bases are being formed there, and it’s a waste of time because of control over the Greater Caucasus Range, which is an impregnable fortress with walls of 5 thousand meters and not a single army in the world has it it won’t pass, well, the Roki tunnel is like a hole in it. If a hypothetical enemy in the form of the Turkish army climbs in this direction, then they have no chance, and Bush dreamed of building his nest on the ridge, he is a bald eagle. Those. we have Russia’s geopolitical dominance on the ridge, and Armenia does not allow the Turks to pass through allied Azerbaijan, even if they do so in battle, and this time, the latest military practice says that a modern war lasts only a few days. This is the essence of Russia's policy in Transcaucasia.
                      41. -2
                        9 March 2013 22: 17
                        Didn’t you find any other “argument”? Well, we can laugh too...Especially remembering the North Caucasus
                      42. FOX.
                        +2
                        9 March 2013 22: 54
                        Quote: xetai9977
                        .Especially remembering the North Caucasus

                        Do you mean the Arab and Chechen terrorists who were undergoing treatment in Azerbaijan? A good reason to have fun...
                      43. +1
                        9 March 2013 22: 11
                        in the war of 1941-1945, every fourth Azerbaijani died. And clearly not because the Russians, to please the Armenians, denounced their sacrifice in the name of humanity
                      44. +5
                        9 March 2013 23: 45
                        So the Armenians will say on the contrary, this is the whole essence of this conflict, it is now unsolvable. And I beg you, don’t say that the Azerbaijanis saved the Russians from the Germans, otherwise I’ll call an ambulance. At the moment, there are two roosters ready to fight, but behind them are the owners, behind some are Turks, behind others are Russians, but the owners have incommensurable resources and combat capabilities, and the rest is chatter.
                      45. 0
                        9 March 2013 23: 04
                        FOX.
                        Do you know the podvignaroda website? You can watch Shamai Agranat and Chaim (Mikhail) Erman. These are my grandfathers. Grandfather Chaim’s name was changed to Mikhail in the hospital. So he already remained Mikhail according to documents, and Khaimush for his loved ones.
                      46. FOX.
                        0
                        9 March 2013 23: 28
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        These are my grandfathers

                        I can look, but why? What should I see there? request
                      47. -1
                        9 March 2013 23: 57
                        FOX.
                        Nothing at all. This is just my attempt to respond to your mention of my name in a certain context. If you noticed, before you mentioned me, I did not appear in any way in this topic, which is very far from me. Although I read it not without interest.
                      48. FOX.
                        +1
                        10 March 2013 00: 03
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        This is just my attempt to respond to your mention of my last name.

                        Strange attempt! request
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        before you mentioned me, I didn’t show up in any way

                        I won't say that this upsets me too much. feel
                      49. +1
                        10 March 2013 00: 14
                        FOX.
                        Well, sorry. The way you mentioned me in the general context of your dispute with your opponent led to exactly this reaction.
                        I am not going to interfere further in a topic that does not concern me in any way. Regardless of my mediocre sympathies.
                      50. FOX.
                        -1
                        10 March 2013 00: 25
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        I'm not going to interfere anymore

                        All the best to you, Aron. hi
                      51. kNow
                        0
                        9 March 2013 23: 36
                        Aron Zaavi,
                        You've probably heard the saying - "in the army they don't look for the guilty, they appoint them"?
                      52. +1
                        9 March 2013 22: 05
                        You should post a photo of Vlasov - a more clear example
                      53. FOX.
                        +2
                        9 March 2013 22: 27
                        Quote: xetai9977
                        You should post a photo of Vlasov - a more clear example

                        Everyone knows about Vlasov, but somehow they are silent about the Azerbaijani traitors. For this reason, they speak with great pathos about the Azerbaijani "sacrifices in the name of humanity". In the name of what humanity was the Russian population slaughtered in Azerbaijan?
                        Quote: xetai9977
                        Every fourth Azerbaijani died in the 1941-1945 war.

                        If you look at the document below, you can see that 58,4 thousand Azerbaijanis died, and following your words we can conclude that by 41 approximately 240 thousand people lived in the republic.
                        Didn't you get carried away with the statistics??? Or is distorting facts your national trait?

                        http://vradievka.vov.ru/vov/15.html
                      54. kNow
                        -1
                        9 March 2013 22: 55
                        Quote: FOX.
                        In the name of what humanity was the Russian population slaughtered in Azerbaijan?

                        It is immediately clear that the person was not even passing through Transcaucasia. Answer, if it’s not difficult - where are the most Russians - in Armenia, Georgia or Azerbaijan?
                        Quote: FOX.
                        If you look at the document below, you can see that 58,4 thousand Azerbaijanis died, and following your words we can conclude that by 41 approximately 240 thousand people lived in the republic.
                        Didn't you get carried away with the statistics??

                        300 thousand USSR citizens conscripted from Azerbaijan died on the battlefields
                        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Азербайджан_в_Великой_Отечественной_войне
                      55. FOX.
                        +2
                        9 March 2013 23: 08
                        Quote: kNow
                        300 thousand USSR citizens conscripted from Azerbaijan died on the battlefields

                        WELL IF WIKIPEDIA SAYS SO... wassat You would be embarrassed to mention this garbage resource. Although YOU can with your level... By the way, the current version requires verification (see photo). Can you make your own changes?
                        Quote: kNow
                        Where are the most Russians - in Armenia, Georgia or Azerbaijan?

                        Apparently you wanted to ask where the most Russians were slaughtered? The answer is - in Azerbaijan.
                      56. kNow
                        -2
                        9 March 2013 23: 12
                        Quote: FOX.
                        WELL IF WIKIPEDIA SAYS SO... You would be embarrassed to mention this garbage resource.

                        We have nothing particularly to be ashamed of. There are no Azerbaijani moderators there. Mostly Russians. Claims to ourselves...
                        Quote: FOX.
                        Apparently you wanted to ask where the most Russians were slaughtered? The answer is - in Azerbaijan.

                        If the question is not understood, I can repeat it. And your answer is frankly stupid. laughing
                      57. FOX.
                        +3
                        9 March 2013 23: 31
                        Quote: kNow
                        your answer is downright stupid.

                        Do you think my answer is stupid?
                      58. kNow
                        -1
                        9 March 2013 23: 33
                        FOX.,
                        if you have nothing to answer, don’t bother, I’ll understand you
                      59. FOX.
                        0
                        9 March 2013 23: 58
                        Quote: kNow
                        I will understand you

                        But where can you... You should understand yourself first...
                      60. Yarbay
                        -1
                        10 March 2013 09: 00
                        Quote: FOX.
                        Do you think my answer is stupid?

                        They put up an ordinary Armenian video, concocted by armagitprom, where there is not a single fact!
                      61. FOX.
                        0
                        10 March 2013 11: 28
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        they put up an ordinary Armenian video,

                        Here is another Armenian video “without facts”...
                      62. Kaa
                        +4
                        9 March 2013 23: 29
                        Quote: FOX.

                        Quote: kNow
                        300 thousand USSR citizens conscripted from Azerbaijan died on the battlefields
                        WELL IF WIKIPEDIA SAYS SO

                        Let's turn to historians - the number of deaths in thousands and as a percentage of the total - "Azerbaijanis 58,4 - 0,68%
                        Armenians 83,7 - 0,97%
                        Russians 5756 66,56%
                        Ukrainians 1377,4 15,93%"
                        Sources: Russia and the USSR in the wars of the 2001th century. Losses of the armed forces. Statistical research under the general editorship of Candidate of Military Sciences, Professor of the Academy of Sciences, Colonel General G.F. Krivosheeva. M., “OLMA-PRESS”, XNUMX

                        Human Losses in World War II
                      63. Yarbay
                        -1
                        10 March 2013 09: 05
                        Quote: Kaa
                        Let's turn to historians


                        Don't turn to those historians!!

                        In the official Book of Memory of the Republic of Azerbaijan released in 1997. it is said that up to 700000 soldiers were sent to the front, of which irretrievable losses amounted to up to 300000 people.
                      64. FOX.
                        +2
                        10 March 2013 11: 32
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Don't turn to those historians!!

                        The main thing is that you read the “correct” historians. Just read them slowly, otherwise in neighboring countries people will die laughing. Chatterbox. Why did you change the flag to Turkish? Are you ashamed of your country? Or is it a waste to be an Azerbaijani? Yeah, the trouble is with these cheap trolls...
                      65. Gari
                        +2
                        10 March 2013 23: 28
                        During the Second World War, the Armenian people sent 600 thousand of their soldiers to the front, of which 300 thousand were from Armenia itself, 200 thousand from other Soviet republics, and another 100 thousand from foreign countries. During the fighting, about 175 thousand Armenians died.
                        Among the largest military leaders of the World War II era are twice Hero of the Soviet Union, Marshal Ivan (Hovhannes) Bagramyan, Chief Marshal of the Armored Forces Amazasp Babajanyan, Air Marshal Sergei Khudyakov (Armenak Khamferyants), Admiral of the USSR Fleet Ivan Isakov.
                        The Armenian people prepared and sent six motorized rifle divisions to the front, and the Taman 89th division reached all the way to Berlin. Dear, let’s discuss the past, the country was common
                        and Victory was common
                      66. Kaa
                        +2
                        11 March 2013 00: 50
                        Quote: Gari
                        During the fighting, about 175 thousand Armenians died.

                        Yesterday I posted the same thing to the Azerbaijanis, you are working with them according to the same scenario, only exactly the other way around.
                        "Let's turn to historians - the number of deaths in thousands and as a percentage of the total - "Azerbaijanis 58,4 - 0,68%
                        Armenians 83,7 - 0,97%
                        Russians 5756 66,56%
                        Ukrainians 1377,4 15,93%"
                        Sources: Russia and the USSR in the wars of the 2001th century. Losses of the armed forces. Statistical research under the general editorship of Candidate of Military Sciences, Professor of the Academy of Sciences, Colonel General G.F. Krivosheeva. M., “OLMA-PRESS”, XNUMX

                        Human Losses in World War II"
                        HONOR AND GLORY TO ALL SOVIET WARRIORS WHO DIED IN DEFENSE OF THE HOMELAND,
                      67. 0
                        11 March 2013 01: 01
                        Kaa
                        That's right.
                      68. Yarbay
                        +1
                        11 March 2013 08: 23
                        Quote: Kaa
                        Let's turn to historians

                        Dear Kaa, you are doing unethical calculations!!
                        Look, let’s say there were 150 million people living in the USSR, of which one hundred were Russian!
                        And there were about 5 million Azerbaijanis - that’s about 1-2 percent!!
                        Of course, if you count like you and your *historian*, then for the USSR the figure will be small!!
                        And if you count from the number of Azerbaijanis, then an impressive amount!! Almost the entire conscript population was at the front and every second one did not return!!
                        Who is to blame that there were not 100 million of us!!??
                        This is ugly!
                        You are turning to the wrong historians!
                      69. 0
                        9 March 2013 23: 19
                        Quote: FOX.
                        But as for military history, you can “admire” this “handsome

                        Unfortunately, there were plenty of such beauties among “ours” too! am
                      70. Yarbay
                        0
                        10 March 2013 08: 22
                        Quote: FOX.
                        But as for military history, you can “admire” this “handsome man”...


                        Senior Lieutenant of the Red Army KHEIRULLA SAMED OGLI GASIMOV

                        On March 18, 1943, when during the next German attack, enemy tanks entered the defense of the 161st infantry division, the commander of the firing platoon of the 5th battery of the 2nd division of the 1036th artillery regiment, junior lieutenant Kheirulla Gasimov, commanding the calculation of the anti-tank gun, destroyed with fire from one single weapon eight enemy tanks, while its own weapon, along with the calculation, remained unscathed. Thanks to the actions of Gasimov, the enemy tanks were stopped and the attack was repelled.

                        For this battle, by Order No. 01 / en on troops of the 40th Army of April 25, 1943, the Red Army junior lieutenant Kheirulla Gasimov was awarded the Order of the Red Banner (http://www.podvignaroda.ru/?n=150552489). In addition, he was later promoted to lieutenant.



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                      71. Yarbay
                        +1
                        10 March 2013 08: 29
                        In 1942, Dzhabrailov was drafted into the Red Army with the rank of junior political instructor of the 48th Infantry Regiment. During the entire war, the mother received only one triangle letter from her son: “Mom, alive, well, at war. So far, so good. Ahmediya." In May 1942, in battles in the area of ​​Lozovaya and the city of Izyum, Akhmediya was seriously wounded and captured (See Kharkov operation (1942)). After escaping from captivity in France, he joined the French resistance[5].
                        He became famous for his daring operations against German troops. During one of the operations, a wounded man in the uniform and with documents of a captain of the German army was picked up by a German patrol and sent for treatment to a German hospital, and after discharge within for several months he was commandant of the city of Albi, near Toulouse, using his position to free French resistance activists and Soviet prisoners of war.
                        Son of Akhmediya Dzhabrailov - National Hero of Azerbaijan Mikail Dzhabrailov died in Karabakh, being ambushed by Armenians.
                        Awarded French awards:
                        Military Cross
                        Voluntary Service Cross
                        French War Medal
                        Legion of Honor
                        He was given a document as an honorary citizen of France, as well as a mandate for free use of all types of transport in France. Demobilized in 1946. Armed Michel received all of the above awards from the hands of Charles de Gaulle and Maurice Thorez.
                      72. Yarbay
                        0
                        10 March 2013 08: 39
                        Aliyev Alekper Seyidmamed oglu, guard colonel, commander of the Suvorov partisan detachment, met the enemy on June 22, 1941. on the Bug River as deputy commander of the 451st artillery regiment of the 118th rifle division. Fought in the Bialystok direction. After receiving a serious injury, he was forced to stay in the occupied territory in the city of Borisov. Having established contact with the underground city party committee, he collected weapons for the partisans. From the units collected by the underground fighters on the battlefields, Alekper Aliyev collected and handed over to the partisans one 45-mm and one 122-mm gun. Sent up to 200 shells for guns to the detachment. From October 25, 1942 appointed chief of staff of the Suvorov detachment under the command of S.V. Verkhovodko in the partisan unit “Uncle Kolya”. Planned and personally participated in combat operations. December 8, 1942 The partisans under his command attacked and completely defeated the German garrison in the area of ​​the Smolevichi-Minsk highway and killed more than 20 enemy soldiers and officers. In May 1943 Aliyev commanded the operation to liberate the village of Skuplino, where 40 Nazis were killed and 35 wounded, and the village itself was liberated from the occupiers. Later he led the defeat of the German garrison in Lyakhov. Carrying out the decision of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Belarus of June 24, 1943. the Suvorov detachment under the command of Verkhovodko and Aliyev dismantled 7 km of railway track on the Minsk-Borisov line, derailed 7 trains, including disabled 5 locomotives, 19 wagons with manpower and 65 wagons with military equipment, ammunition and equipment . Alekper Aliyev organized the theft and delivery to the headquarters of the partisan unit “Uncle Kolya” of the secret German defense plan for the city of Borisov.
                        February 20, 1944 Major Aliyev was appointed commander of the Suvorov partisan detachment. In just one week, the partisan detachment captured 33 enemy soldiers and officers. In total, the fighters of Alekper Aliyev’s detachment destroyed 13 locomotives, 84 carriages, 9 cars, 1 tank and 3 aircraft. They damaged 8 km of communication lines, 7 km of railway tracks, violated the front-Berlin communication line 28 times, freed more than 400 Soviet citizens from being deported to Germany, killed and wounded 1300 enemy soldiers and officers. After the partisans united with units of the advancing Red Army, Alekper Aliyev was appointed deputy commander of the 156th artillery regiment of the 77th Guards Rifle Division. He particularly distinguished himself during the crossing of the Oder River and the capture and retention of a bridgehead on its western bank.
                        For the courage and heroism shown in battles with the invaders of the Guard, Lieutenant Colonel Alekper Aliyev was awarded the Order of Lenin, three Orders of the Red Banner of Battle, three Orders of the Patriotic War, XNUMXst degree, the Order of the Red Star, the medal “Partisan of the Patriotic War”, XNUMXst degree and other medals. (based on materials archive of the Belarusian branch of the IML)

                        http://www.savash-az.com/PARTIZANEN.htm
                      73. Yarbay
                        0
                        10 March 2013 08: 47
                        Aslanov Azi Ahad oglu
                        Guard Major General, commander of the 35th Guards Red Banner Shauliai Tank Brigade

                        Since March 1938g. Hazi Aslanov was appointed head of the school with a separate tank battalion of the 60 st. At the beginning of 1939. he was appointed head of the motor battalion of the 10 Infantry Regiment of the 10 Panzer Division as part of the 4 Mechanized Corps of the Kiev Military District. In February of the same year he was awarded the next military rank of captain.
                        As part of the 4 Mechanism Corps, Captain Aslanov participated in the “liberation campaign” in Western Ukraine and in the “winter war” with Finland. He fought on the Karelian Isthmus, participated in the breakthrough of the Mannerheim Line.
                        After the end of hostilities in Finland, he returned to his duties as commander of the motor battalion of the 10 Infantry Regiment (JV) in the town of Zolochiv, Lviv region. In November, 1940. he was awarded the title - Major.

                        Since the beginning of the war, the 10-th joint venture as part of the 10-th tank division (td) included in the 15-th mechanized corps participated in a counterattack against the advancing enemy in the area of ​​Podpoluyevo, Toporuv, Radekhov. Major Aslanov, continuing to command the motor battalion, was looking for an opportunity to head the tank unit. In August 1941g. he replaced the retired commander of a tank battalion, which included 12-15 machines of type T-26, BT-5, BT-7 and T-34.

                        In mid-August 1941g. 10-th TD in the 6-th army out of the environment and took an active part in the defense of Kiev. In the fierce battles in the areas of Shostka, Bakhmach, Pyriatin, the tankers of Aslanov fought to the last tank, the commander personally led the battalion to the attack. In these battles, Hazi Aslanov received two bullet wounds to the right leg and a heavy shrapnel wound to the head, but remained in the ranks. When there were no tanks left in the battalion, the major was recalled to the reserve and in September 1941. appointed to his 10-th sp as a technical assistant. In this position, he fought in the area of ​​Piryatin, Akhtyrka, Bogodukhov, Kharkov.
                        At the end of 1941. with the surviving commanders of tank crews, was put into reserve of the commanders of the South-Western Front. At the beginning of 1942. Azi Aslanov was given the rank of lieutenant colonel and he was sent to Moscow at the disposal of the commander of the armored and mechanized troops of the Red Army.
                        Here he received a new appointment to the Crimean Front.
                        From May 1942 - deputy commander of the 55-th separate tank brigade on the line unit. In the course of the German offensive on May 8, he commanded a tank battalion on the Akmonai positions, the Turkish shaft, near Kerch. Tankers under his command fought in the rearguard battles of the Soviet troops retreating from the peninsula. When there was not a single tank left in the brigade, the surviving tank crews of the 55 Tank Brigade 20 in May were 1942. crossed over with the retreating units to the Taman Peninsula.
                        In July, 1942. The 55 Tank Brigade was re-formed at Stalingrad as part of the 28 Tank Corps of the 4 Tank Army. Together with the units of the 62 Army, General Chuikov restrained the enemy rushing to Stalingrad west of the Don and in the Kalach area.
                        The 28-th tank corps practically ceased to exist, and its remnants were transferred to the newly-formed 4-th mechanized corps of General Volsky V.T. Lieutenant Colonel Hazi Aslanov was appointed commander of the 55-th separate tank regiment, which was formed on the basis of the former tank brigade.
                      74. Yarbay
                        0
                        10 March 2013 08: 49
                        Autumn 1942g. The 55 th separate tank regiment was assigned to the strike group to conduct operations in order to surround the German grouping near Stalingrad. November November 19 TP, in cooperation with the rifle regiment of Lieutenant Colonel Diasamidze, launched an offensive from the area of ​​Tsatsa and Barmantsak lakes. Already in the first hours of the battle, the regiment destroyed the 55 tank, 4 mortar batteries, 5 light machine guns, heavy weapons, 10 anti-tank guns, 10 bunkers. Hundreds of Nazis destroyed, 18 soldiers and officers taken prisoner. On the same day, the tankers liberated the village Fertile.

                        November 21 The 55 Tank Regiment was the first to reach the Stalingrad-Salsk railway track.

                        On November 22, the tanks occupied the Abganerovo station and broke into the Soviet settlement, and on November 23, the tankers Hazi Aslanov, acting in the vanguard of the advancing units, joined the units of the South-Western Front, closing the encirclement around the Stalingrad German group.

                        In December 1942. A.Aslanov’s tankmen were the first to meet parts of Manstein trying to unlock the Paulus group. Moving in the direction of Kotelnikov, the Germans were stopped near the village of Verkhne-Kumsk. 70 German tanks tried to surround the regiment Aslanova, but the tankers with their actions upset the enemy's plan. In December 19 battle, Aslanov’s tank was shot down, the lieutenant colonel, having got out of the tank, joined the infantry and continued the battle as part of a company of machine gunners. With the same unit Aslanov on the night of December 20 out of the environment. The battle lasted six days. Verkhnee-Kumsk several times passed from hand to hand. Having exhausted the enemy in defense, the tankers of Aslanov, in cooperation with rifle units, launched a counterattack. In these battles, 45 tanks and 26 guns were destroyed. 50 cars and more than 2-x thousands of soldiers and officers of the enemy.

                        From the memoirs of Marshal of the USSR Eremenko A.I.: “All units in this battle showed exceptional heroism: the 1378th Infantry Regiment (commander Lieutenant Colonel M.S. Diasamidze) and the 55th Separate Tank Regiment (commander Lieutenant Colonel A.A.) especially stood out. Aslanov)".
                        For the exemplary performance of the combat task of the front command, skillful command of the part and courage and heroism shown, Decree of the Presidium of the USSR Supreme Council on December 22 from 1942. Aslanov A.A. awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union. Over a hundred soldiers and commanders of the 55 Tank Regiment were awarded orders and medals of the USSR, and the regiment itself was transformed into a Guards regiment. The 4 Mechanic Corps was converted to the 3 Guards and 27 in January. 1943. he was given the name - Stalingrad. Colonel Aslanov was appointed commander of the 35 Guards Tank Brigade.
                        Summer 1943g. The 35-Guards under the command of the Hero of the Soviet Union Aslanov took part in the offensive of the troops of the Voronezh (1-th Ukrainian) Front on Left-Bank Ukraine. During the fights, A. Aslanov was contused, but continued to manage the brigade. His connection came to the Dnieper, forced it in the area of ​​Kanev and successfully fought on the right bank bridgehead.
                        After the Ukrainian campaign, Hazi Aslanov was sent to study at the Academy of armored and mechanized troops. Here he was awarded the next military rank - Major General.
                      75. Yarbay
                        0
                        10 March 2013 08: 52
                        In 1944, with the rank of Major General, Azi Aslanov commanded the 35th Guards Tank Brigade. The unit under his command takes part in the war that began on June 23, 1944. offensive of the troops of the 3rd Belorussian Front (Operation Bagration). On June 28, the advance detachment of the 35th Guards Tank Brigade reached the Berezina River. However, the bridge built by sappers could not withstand the weight of the tanks. Then, using an improvised crossing over sunken tanks, Azi Aslanov, in a jeep, accompanied by an armored personnel carrier and a battalion of machine gunners, crossed to the west bank, where 50 partisans joined his detachment. Having only these forces, Aslanov, on the night of June 30, stormed the regional center of the Byelorussian SSR - the city. Pleshchenitsy, creating conditions for the development of an offensive in the direction of Metizh and Pusto-Petizh for the 3rd Guards Mechanized Corps. For this feat, the commander of the 3rd Belorussian Front, Army General Chernyakhovsky I.D. Azi Aslanov was nominated for the title of Hero of the Soviet Union for the second time. On July 2, units of the brigade liberated Vileika. On July 3, the city of Borisov was liberated. On July 4, having crossed the Viliya River, together with the 7th Guards Brigade, Aslanov’s tankers liberated the city of Smorgon.

                        In just a month of fighting for the liberation of Belarus in June-July 1944. The tank brigade destroyed 45 tanks, 131 guns, 12 mortar batteries, 193 vehicles, 40 aircraft, 15 trains and up to 2 enemy soldiers and officers. 600 guns, 74 machine guns, 88 machine guns, 300 warehouses with military equipment, 5 trains, 7 steam locomotives, 16 vehicles, 220 horses, 550 carts with military equipment were captured, and 220 Nazis were captured.

                        For the difference in the liberation of Minsk, the brigade received thanks from the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. On July 12, tankers Hazi Aslanova were the first to break into Vilnius.

                        For mastery in the leadership of tank forces and personal courage shown in the battles of the summer of 1944, Major General A. Aslanov was awarded the Order of Suvorov 2 degree and his troops were thanked for participating in the liberation of the capital of the Lithuanian SSR.
                        In July, 1944 of the 3 Guards Corps was transferred to the 1 of the Baltic Front.

                        By decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR from 23 July 1944. 35-I Guards Tank Brigade awarded the Order of the Red Banner.

                        July 27 inactive participation in the liberation of Siauliai, 35-th Guards Tank Brigade was given the honorary title of "Siauliai".
                        In the autumn of 1944, the tankers of A. Aslanov took part in the breakthrough of the enemy’s defenses in the area of ​​the Gulf of Riga. Forcing the Western Dvina, A. Aslanov struck an unexpected blow to the flank of the retreating German group, cutting off her escape route. Thus, conditions were created for the complete encirclement and capture of German troops in the area.
                        In the battles for the liberation of Belarus and the Baltic States, the 8 brigade was once again honored by the commander-in-chief.
                        24 January 1945 near Priekule, in Liepaja district, during a reconnaissance, Major General Hazi Aslanov was seriously injured and died five and a half hours after being wounded. For the able leadership of the tank brigade in the last battle, he was posthumously awarded the Order of the Patriotic War of the 1 degree.

                        In 1990, the view from 1944 is resumed. and Major General Azi Aslanov was awarded the title of Twice Hero of the Soviet Union.
                      76. FOX.
                        +2
                        10 March 2013 11: 39
                        Yarbay,
                        Are there only six worthy people in the whole of Azerbaijan? At the bazaars you are worth much more...
                      77. Yarbay
                        -1
                        10 March 2013 11: 51
                        Quote: FOX.
                        Are there only six worthy people in the whole of Azerbaijan?

                        there were thousands of them!!
                        /////////////////////////////////////////////////// ////////////
                      78. FOX.
                        +2
                        10 March 2013 12: 12
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Unlike you /////// they made a mess of their homeland and ///////////////////// like you!

                        Wipe your drool, internet hero. Don't break your fists on the monitor!
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        there were thousands of them!!

                        There were thousands of Azerbaijanis who died (more precisely, 58,4 thousand people), but, apparently, only six were worthy. And no wonder - this is not a market.
                        Yes, and also... Remember, /////////////////////////// that /////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////// ///////////////////


                        ////////////hi
                      79. Gari
                        +1
                        10 March 2013 23: 32
                        The Armenian people gave the Motherland four marshals - Bagramyan, Babajanyan, Khudyakov (Khanferyants), Aganov and one admiral of the USSR Fleet Isakov
                        Armenian national formations (76th, 390th, 409th, 89th, 261st Armenian rifle divisions) with heavy battles marched from the foothills of the Caucasus to the Balkans and Berlin, covering their banners and crowning their names with the unfading glory of a hero. The 89th triple-ordered Taman Division, so named after its participation in the liberation of the Taman Peninsula, especially distinguished itself. Under the command of Major General Nver Safaryan, it, the only one of the national formations of the USSR, participated in the assault on Berlin, after the capture of which Armenian soldiers, with weapons in their hands and a song on their lips, danced the victorious “Kochari” at the walls of the Reichstag to the sounds of the zurna.
                        For the courage and courage shown on the fronts of the Patriotic War, more than 70 thousand Armenian soldiers were awarded military orders and medals. In percentage terms, Armenians occupy fourth place after Russians, Ukrainians and Jews. 27 ordinary soldiers became full holders of the Order of Glory. 104 people were awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. This number did not include Ruben Yesayan and Suren Tashchyan, who received the posthumous title of Hero of Russia already under President B.N. Yeltsin. The title of twice Hero of the Soviet Union was awarded to the legendary pilot, hero of the Baltic skies Nelson Stepanyan (of the 6 naval pilots awarded the highest award twice, the only one was Armenian). A monument to the brave pilot has been erected in Yerevan.
            2. 0
              9 March 2013 23: 14
              Quote: ayyildiz
              Do you think Azerbaijan will stand and be silent as its lands are taken away?

              It's already been taken away! crying
              1. kNow
                -1
                9 March 2013 23: 20
                Quote: ultra
                It's already been taken away

                In war - as in politics. The main thing is not to take it away - the main thing is to keep it...
                Best regards
                1. +1
                  10 March 2013 00: 53
                  Quote: kNow
                  The main thing is not to take it away - the main thing is to keep it

                  Well, they are holding it until now! And I personally don’t see any preconditions that they will give it up voluntarily! hi
                  1. kNow
                    -1
                    10 March 2013 12: 38
                    ultra,
                    It is not they who are holding back, it is rather you who are holding back...
                    Quote: ultra
                    And I personally don’t see any preconditions that they will give it up voluntarily!

                    I don't see this either. But there are more and more preconditions that they will take away by force...
              2. -1
                9 March 2013 23: 24
                Just as they took it away, they will return it, otherwise they will die of hunger!
                1. +2
                  10 March 2013 00: 55
                  Quote: ayyildiz
                  Just as they took it away, they will return it, otherwise they will die of hunger!

                  Strong argument! hi ,Azerbaijan has been feeding Armenia for a long time?
          2. Baboon
            +1
            9 March 2013 00: 07
            And what do the Armenians have?
            1. Gari
              +3
              9 March 2013 03: 22
              Our dear and beloved mountains, where guests are always welcome, and enemies....
              1. -1
                9 March 2013 11: 39
                Yeah, it's easy to be brave while hiding behind the Russians
            2. Gari
              +3
              9 March 2013 16: 02
              During the times of the Russian Empire, the village of Elizavetpol district of Elizavetpol province. Nagorno-Karabakh According to the Caucasian calendar for 1908, an Armenian village with a population of 1862 people[1].
              It is known as the birthplace of many heroes of the Great Patriotic War. Of the village’s natives, 1250 people went to the front. Of these, half were awarded orders and medals, two became marshals (Amazasp Babajanyan and Ivan Bagramyan), twelve became generals, seven became Heroes of the Soviet Union]
          3. Gari
            +1
            9 March 2013 03: 19
            The photo was taken in Gori, exactly 66 km from Tbilisi, that they stopped or who stopped the landing force, well, certainly not the Georgian troops; they were no longer there
        4. +1
          8 March 2013 22: 53
          [quote=Yeraz],[quote]it’s your other allies you buy and maintain[/quote]
          It's better to buy than to be bought [quote]We offer cooperation[/quote]
          What exactly? In the destruction of others on ethnic grounds?[quote]if poor Georgia did not die (although they also have a large diaspora in the Russian Federation)[/quote]
          You answered your own question; she did not die thanks to her diaspora in the Russian Federation. If the entire Georgian diaspora had been deported outside the Russian Federation in 2006-07, the world would have already forgotten about Saakashvili, their own would have been torn apart like Tuzik’s hot water bottle.[quote]helping our enemy[/quote]This is your enemy, our enemy is the United States and its hangers-on. Turkey and Israel are helping you, which are far from our friends, and Russia is not hysterical about this.
          [quote]especially rich Azerbaijan.[/quote] I wish Azerbaijan and its people to remain rich and prosperous.
        5. Yarbay
          -2
          9 March 2013 01: 05
          Quote: Yeraz
          Russia has so far determined Armenia for itself, and do you know what Azerbaijan’s choice will be?? Thanks to Ilham, he is still the norm, what other politician could be would have broken off these relations long ago, if poor Georgia had not died (although they also have a large diaspora in the Russian Federation), then the rich Azerbaijan even more so.

          I completely agree!!!!!!!!
      2. Yarbay
        +3
        9 March 2013 01: 08
        Quote: Tersky
        Russia itself will decide who is more important to it; Azerbaijan needs to decide, don’t you think?

        No, it doesn’t seem like it!
        Azerbaijan has also decided!!
        A friend of my enemy cannot be my friend!!
        In politics we just tolerate each other!!
        Russia in the 90s, during the times of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, set up everyone who was pro-Russian in Azerbaijan!
        After this, it is unlikely that anyone will be seriously pro-Russian in politics!
        The best thing for Russia is the current President and they understand this in Russia!
        1. FOX.
          +3
          9 March 2013 10: 16
          Quote: Yarbay
          In politics we just tolerate each other!!

          In the sense that Azerbaijan “TOOLERATES” Russia??? belay “My dear,” weren’t you overreacting?
          OH BRAVE PUGGY! "You know she's strong if she barks at an elephant..." Golden words from a wise man with a great sense of humor! laughing
          1. Gari
            -1
            9 March 2013 16: 08
            Azerbaijan has also decided!!
            A friend of my enemy cannot be my friend!!
            In politics we just tolerate each other!!
            They tolerate Russia - According to the results of the 2002 All-Russian Population Census, 621 Azerbaijanis lived in Russia, but there is an opinion that the real number is much higher. According to some sources, the number of Azerbaijanis in Russia can reach 840 million[3], and about one million of them live in Moscow.
            Russians in Azerbaijan -1979 - 475 thousand, people 255%, 7,9 - 1989 392%, 304 - 5,6 thousand, people. 1999% 141 -650 thousand people. 1,8%
            1. 0
              9 March 2013 22: 20
              you should write about Armenians - there are millions and millions of them in Russia
        2. 0
          9 March 2013 11: 12
          Quote: Yarbay
          Azerbaijan has also decided!!
          A friend of my enemy cannot be my friend!!

          Well, that's nice!
        3. +2
          10 March 2013 01: 05
          Quote: Yarbay
          Russia in the 90s, during the times of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, set up everyone who was pro-Russian in Azerbaijan!

          Exactly, I framed, especially the former President of Azerbaijan Abulfaz Elchibey, how “pro-Russian” he was cannot be described in simple words! hi
          1. Yarbay
            0
            10 March 2013 08: 18
            Quote: ultra
            Exactly, I framed, especially the former President of Azerbaijan Abulfaz Elchibey, how he was “pro-Russian” cannot be described in simple words

            I'm talking about other leaders!!
            By substituting whom they achieved this coming to power!
    4. Macaroni
      -2
      8 March 2013 22: 34
      No wonder you have a negative rating
    5. tm70-71
      +3
      8 March 2013 23: 13
      The man expressed his point of view, why put minuses, or did you want him to write, yes, we agree, you can argue with Yaraz, I also don’t understand Russia’s position on this issue
    6. Rumi007
      +2
      9 March 2013 15: 14
      You stuck a needle in everyone's eyes with your comment. fellow
  17. +5
    8 March 2013 15: 09
    Where there is a Russian soldier, there is peace. Where there is the greed of all sorts of petty princes, there is blood and suffering. would go wholesale to the citizenship of Moscow, and everything would be formed
    1. Macaroni
      -7
      8 March 2013 22: 38
      Quote: andrei332809
      everything would work out

      like in Dagestan or Chechnya
  18. +1
    8 March 2013 15: 16
    A couple of conflict zones in the post-Soviet space are Nagorno-Karabakh and the Transnistrian Moldavian Republic. Solving the problems in the foreseeable future is impossible, but it is possible (and necessary) to prevent the spark of war from breaking out by any means and means. Russia (more precisely, in the Kremlin) plays a key role in this.
  19. +1
    8 March 2013 15: 52
    A multi-vector policy is acceptable for peacekeeping purposes. Its application to Azerbaijan and Armenia, in conditions of confrontation and the supply of weapons from Russia to both, is puzzling. This speaks only of one thing - either Russia has not decided on a political partner in Transcaucasia, which is hard to believe, or the interests of the military-industrial complex prevail over the reason and goals of Russian foreign policy.
    1. +1
      9 March 2013 14: 36
      VadimSt,
      Yes, no, in my opinion it has been decided. Russia’s task is to prevent war from breaking out, for this it is necessary to maintain parity in the armaments of Armenia and Azerbaijan. The base in Armenia is also only needed to contain Azerbaijan, which is more powerful in economic terms (and, to some extent Turkey) from direct aggression.
      Moreover, if Russia does not sell weapons, others will appear, and control will be lost.
  20. +1
    8 March 2013 15: 55
    Our government needs to finally justify Stalin and the USSR, thereby covering the opportunity for a number of former republics to yap at today’s Russia and finally recreate the union of states in the spaces of the former USSR, because there is no other way. Russia without republics cannot be strong, since the republics have important geostrategic positions to protect our open spaces, and the republics will be swept away the moment Russia ceases to be a threat.
    1. Macaroni
      +1
      8 March 2013 22: 40
      Quote: Bezarius
      the republics will be swept away the moment Russia ceases to be a threat.

      and for those who have already defected to the USA, this is not scary (for example, Azerbaijan)
  21. +2
    8 March 2013 16: 10
    But now you can think... Where is it better to live, together in a single strong empire in peace and harmony, where all the conditions have been created for the development of national culture, or to be a small independent state in which there will never be real stability and a peaceful sky above your head. The choice is up to the people...
  22. Artmark
    +5
    8 March 2013 16: 12
    Yes, the common people are tired of all this and it is not the common people who decide whether there will be war or not! We all understand that war cannot be avoided, and the (big) guys need it. Peace to all!!
    1. +1
      8 March 2013 17: 49
      Yes, of course, especially if Azerbaijan starts to put pressure on the oil and gas industry of the Russian Federation.
    2. Artmark
      +1
      9 March 2013 02: 02
      Tell me, why are you downvoting? although these disadvantages are not interesting to me. just tell me what you don’t like here?
      1. 0
        9 March 2013 11: 18
        Quote: ArtMark
        Tell me, why are you downvoting?

        I gave a thumbs up for the common people! hi
    3. 0
      9 March 2013 11: 16
      Quote: ArtMark
      It’s not for the common people to decide whether there will be war or not!

      Ordinary people will JUST have to die in war! So it WAS, IS and WILL BE! am
      1. Artmark
        +5
        9 March 2013 12: 57
        I agree, but no one wants war! stop
        1. +1
          9 March 2013 14: 50
          There's money involved here; if they say there's going to be a war, they won't ask you.
          As it was in Chechnya.
  23. Guun
    +3
    8 March 2013 16: 32
    Off topic, of course, but I read an article from former US veteran Colonel David Hackworth. Still, there are smart people in the United States, but there are 1 in 1 of them. It is surprising that both our generals and theirs are similar and they all have the same NSSD syndrome (“I don’t-remember-how-I-got-in-the-shit”).
    http://warfiles.ru/show-25753-pochemu-my-proigrali-vo-vetname.html
  24. Krasnoyarsk
    +1
    8 March 2013 16: 56
    Let the Armenians and Azeri understand this situation themselves, and Russia should not interfere there, otherwise they have already interfered with Ossetia and Abkhazia, as a result, almost 90 two hundred came home.
    1. biglow
      +5
      8 March 2013 17: 13
      Krasnoyarsk,
      In your opinion, it would be better if streams of refugees flowed to Russia, and in the same Georgia there would already be Americans. Empires always fight enemies on the external borders. And nothing has changed since ancient times. When the Georgians were hit on the head in August, they immediately became militants in Chechnya stopped feeding...there are always results, although not obvious
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        0
        8 March 2013 18: 41
        Closing borders helps.
        1. Macaroni
          +2
          8 March 2013 22: 42
          then find a few more million border guards and everything will be ok
    2. 0
      9 March 2013 11: 27
      Quote: Krasnoyarets
      Let the Armenians and Azeri understand this situation themselves,

      I completely agree! Support a potential ally only with weapons! Ossetia is a different topic, although the fact that it has come to an armed conflict is a minus of our policy, which means they let the Georgians think that we will not intervene! hi
  25. Octavian avgust
    +4
    8 March 2013 17: 20
    The problem of Nagorno-Karabakh is solvable, we all need to sit down together and come to an agreement, without shedding blood and the like.
    In the current conditions, little depends on Armenia and Azerbaijan. The centers of power Russia and the West do not want to solve the problem, continuing sluggish negotiations. Principle: divide, pit and conquer!
    As the cat Leapold said: “Guys, let’s live together!” drinks
    1. +3
      8 March 2013 21: 57
      Armenians live in Nagorno-Karabakh and they want to live with their brothers from Armenia, and not with Muslim Azerbaijan. So, this problem must be solved by the people of Karabakh themselves. fool
      1. Macaroni
        +4
        8 March 2013 22: 44
        I still don’t understand why Karabakh was given to Az-well, after all, 90% of Armenians are there
        1. -5
          8 March 2013 23: 29
          Macaroni,
          there is no need for Karabakh to be given to Azerbaijan. It always belonged to it. By your own logic, who gave the Ryazan region to Russia? Or the Tver region?
          1. Fidain
            +4
            9 March 2013 00: 47
            Just read a couple of books, from what century does Armenian history begin and how old is your Azerbaijan!!!
            1. -4
              9 March 2013 01: 09
              Fidain,
              Yes, you are sleeping, wake up and thank the Turks for preserving you for 1000 years!
            2. -5
              9 March 2013 11: 45
              READ THE GRAMMAR FIRST!!! AS IN THE JOKE - “GIRL, DO YOU HAVE A GLOBE OF ARMENIA FOR SALE?”
          2. +4
            9 March 2013 15: 41
            Buddy! You don't know history well. Russian people with the Orthodox religion have lived in the Ryazan and Tver regions all their lives, and there is no need to confuse Karabakh with Russian regions. In general, if not for Russia, the Turks would have slaughtered all the Armenians long ago. At the beginning of the 20th century this was in Turkey itself. The Turks killed about a million Armenians in Turkey itself, she still remembers this to this day, although she does not like to remember it. And Karabakh ended up under the communists, they didn’t want to bend the borders when approving the land for republics. They believed that in the USSR there would be no quarrels on national and religious grounds.
            1. kNow
              -2
              9 March 2013 16: 17
              Quote: Simon
              You don't know history well

              Quote: Simon
              But Karabakh ended up with the Azeris under the communists; they did not want to bend the borders when approving the land for republics. They believed that in the USSR there would be no quarrels on national and religious grounds.

              Quote: Gari
              On July 4, 1921, at an extended meeting of the Caucasian Bureau, a decision was made transfer to Nagorno-Karabakh Armenia[183] ​​Ordzhonikidze, Myasnikov (Myasnikyan), Kirov and Figatner voted for the resolution. N. Narimanov protested and, due to the great importance of the issue for Azerbaijan, demanded that the issue be transferred to Moscow to the Central Committee of the RCP (b) for a final decision. The Caucasian Bureau decided: ““Include Nagorno-Karabakh into the SSR of Armenia, and hold a plebiscite only in Nagorno-Karabakh. Due to the fact that the issue of Karabakh has caused serious disagreement, the Caucasian Bureau of the Central Committee of the RCP considers it necessary to transfer it to the final decision of the Central Committee of the RCP."[195]. Stalin did not speak at the meeting, but it appears that he expressed his position after it.[210] The annual report of the People's Commissariat of Foreign Affairs of the RSFSR to the IX Congress of Soviets for 1920-1921 officially stated that “in July an agreement was concluded with Azerbaijan on Nagorno-Karabakh, which will be included in Soviet Armenia”[211].
              The decision to transfer the final hearing to Moscow was not carried out and the next day, July 5, a new meeting of the Caucasian Bureau was convened, at which Narimanov called for a review of the previous day’s resolution and to resolve the issue in favor of Azerbaijan.[183][212] As a result of the meeting, the following resolution was adopted:
              «Based on the need for national peace between Muslims and Armenians and the economic connection of Upper and Lower Karabakh, its constant connection with Azerbaijan, Leave Nagorno-Karabakh within the Azerbaijan SSR, giving it broad regional autonomy with the administrative center in the city of Shusha, which is part of the autonomous region."As a result, the region was included in the Azerbaijan SSR.[171][187][214][204][215]
              1. Gari
                +1
                9 March 2013 21: 03
                I read but didn’t understand. According to Sergei Lezov, such a step was determined by the Bolsheviks’ attempts to find a common language with Turkey, which then, as today, sought to be the patron of the Azerbaijanis
                Does anyone doubt that the patron has changed????!!!!
                1. kNow
                  -2
                  9 March 2013 21: 29
                  Gari,
                  Gary, you are completely confused. Briefly - you wanted to take advantage of the moment
                  Quote: Gari
                  transfer Nagorno-Karabakh to Armenia.

                  But thanks to Narimanov, Karabakh was LEFT as part of Azerbaijan

                  Quote: Gari
                  Leave Nagorno-Karabakh within the Azerbaijan SSR

                  That is, Karabakh was and remains part of Azerbaijan.
                  The level of your Russian is playing a cruel joke on you... laughing
                  1. FOX.
                    0
                    9 March 2013 21: 50
                    Quote: kNow
                    Your Russian level plays a cruel joke on you...

                    And, judging by these words, not everything is in order with the RUSSIAN language. It’s correct to say: “He played a cruel joke.” Ready...
                    1. kNow
                      -3
                      9 March 2013 21: 55
                      Quote: FOX.
                      And, judging by these words, not everything is in order with the RUSSIAN language. It’s correct to say: “He played a cruel joke.” Ready...

                      I hope the Russians themselves will correct you. And excuse me, I don’t have time to teach you my own language. laughing
                      1. FOX.
                        +2
                        9 March 2013 22: 36
                        Quote: kNow
                        I hope the Russians themselves will correct you.

                        There is no need to correct me, because this is my native language and I know it very well, while trying not to unnecessarily lash out at people for whom Russian is not their native language. But in your case, I made an exception and poked you with something that turns your face into your own baseless snobbery. hi
                      2. kNow
                        -1
                        9 March 2013 22: 44
                        Quote: FOX.
                        There is no need to correct me, because this is my native language and I know it very well

                        Apparently it’s not very good if you make such mistakes
                        Quote: FOX.
                        while trying not to unnecessarily poke people for whom Russian is not their native language

                        you're trying hard wink
                        Quote: FOX.
                        But in your case, I made an exception and poked you with something that turns your face into your own baseless snobbery.

                        Your illiteracy does not replace my face laughing
                      3. FOX.
                        +2
                        9 March 2013 23: 10
                        Quote: kNow
                        when you make such mistakes

                        ??
                        Quote: kNow
                        Your illiteracy does not replace my face

                        Did you understand what you wrote??? request
                      4. kNow
                        -2
                        9 March 2013 23: 18
                        FOX.,
                        Was the sentence too difficult for you to understand? explain?
                      5. FOX.
                        +3
                        9 March 2013 23: 35
                        Quote: kNow
                        explain?

                        Be kind! hi
                      6. FOX.
                        +1
                        10 March 2013 00: 20
                        Quote: kNow
                        explain?

                        So where is the promised interpretation?
                  2. Gari
                    +2
                    9 March 2013 22: 30
                    You better not compare with my Russian, I graduated from the Russian school named after Pushkin back in the days of the Union and by no means in Armenia and at the institute also in Russian, I simply translated what was written in Wikipedia and there when they broadcast Karabakh, so that somehow to justify the transfer, they could have written anything, but they did it only to please the Turks, read History
                    1. kNow
                      -2
                      9 March 2013 22: 33
                      Quote: Gari
                      You better not compare with my Russian

                      God forbid!!!
                      Quote: Gari
                      I graduated from the Russian school named after Pushkin back in the days of the Union and not at all in Armenia and at the institute also in Russian, I simply translated what was written in Wikipedia and there when they transferred Karabakh, in order to somehow justify the transfer, they could write anything and everything they did it only to please the Turks, read History

                      Pushkin would turn over in his grave if he heard this phrase...I gave you a plus. I'll send it to Zadornov... laughing
                      1. Gari
                        +1
                        9 March 2013 23: 21
                        Yes, I somehow don’t give a damn about your pros and your cons
                        Damn, how many of you virtual heroes are there sitting at the computer and pressing buttons, and all the heroism, I wonder if, God forbid, a war starts, where will you run and at what speed?
                      2. kNow
                        -2
                        9 March 2013 23: 25
                        Gari,
                        How ungrateful you are, at least you would say thank you...
                        I have a day off today, tomorrow too, there’s no rush, we sit and solve problems laughing Just don't go anywhere, okay?
                        Quote: Gari
                        I wonder if, God forbid, a war starts, where will you run and at what speed?

                        You didn’t really make a mark in the last war, and in the upcoming one we’re unlikely to see you through the sights winked
                      3. FOX.
                        +1
                        9 March 2013 23: 38
                        Quote: kNow
                        we sit and solve problems

                        Huh?!! I thought that we were making fun of the clown... Although for you this may be becoming a “problem”... laughing
                      4. kNow
                        -2
                        10 March 2013 00: 06
                        FOX.,
                        and that in the great and mighty the arguments have ended, since you moved on to insults? level! however...
                      5. FOX.
                        +2
                        10 March 2013 00: 18
                        Quote: kNow
                        in the great and mighty, have the arguments ended since you moved on to insults?

                        It definitely became a problem for you! Don't be offended, kNow, this is not an attempt to insult you, this is just a statement of fact. Consider that you have looked in the mirror, but you shouldn’t blame the mirror... feel
                      6. kNow
                        -2
                        10 March 2013 00: 27
                        Quote: FOX.
                        Don't be offended, kNow, this is not an attempt to insult you, this is just a statement of fact. Consider that you have looked in the mirror, but you shouldn’t blame the mirror...

                        my mirror is kind of crooked laughing Don’t be afraid, mirror, in order to offend me a person must represent something of himself. Good night, mirror. hi
                      7. FOX.
                        +3
                        10 March 2013 00: 31
                        Quote: kNow
                        don't be afraid,

                        laughing laughing laughing
                        Quote: kNow
                        my mirror is kind of crooked

                        When the essence is crooked, they blame the mirror. That is life...
                      8. Meth
                        +1
                        10 March 2013 12: 26
                        FOX.,

                        Apparently, Mr. Yarbai is afraid of the Russian men who bled them.
                        That's why he hid from me.....

                      9. Meth
                        +1
                        10 March 2013 18: 31
                        Well what???
                        They are afraid of me, I have strangled them too much!!!!




                        Is your cat???
                      10. Meth
                        +1
                        10 March 2013 19: 03
                        How do you like this???

                        http://mp3sotka.com/uplo
                        ds/thumbs/1332446422_159206_poglad-dobermana.jpg
                      11. Gari
                        +1
                        10 March 2013 23: 48
                        [media=//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iku27irhVgQ]
                        take a look, it will be interesting
                      12. Gari
                        +1
                        10 March 2013 23: 39
                        and how do you know where you were in the last war, and God forbid if it happens again, you definitely won’t see me through the sight, you won’t be there, because we didn’t see people like you in that war, the village boys will fight again and in mostly, but they are not very literate, and tomorrow they will go to work in a warm office??
        2. Gari
          +4
          9 March 2013 03: 29
          On July 4, 1921, at an expanded meeting of the Caucasian Bureau, a decision was made to transfer Nagorno-Karabakh to Armenia.[183] Ordzhonikidze, Myasnikov (Myasnikyan), Kirov and Figatner voted for the resolution. N. Narimanov protested and, due to the great importance of the issue for Azerbaijan, demanded that the issue be transferred to Moscow to the Central Committee of the RCP (b) for a final decision. The Caucasian Bureau decided: ““Include Nagorno-Karabakh into the SSR of Armenia, and hold a plebiscite only in Nagorno-Karabakh. Due to the fact that the issue of Karabakh has caused serious disagreement, the Caucasian Bureau of the Central Committee of the RCP considers it necessary to transfer it to the final decision of the Central Committee of the RCP."[195]. Stalin did not speak at the meeting, but it appears that he expressed his position after it.[210] The annual report of the People's Commissariat of Foreign Affairs of the RSFSR to the IX Congress of Soviets for 1920-1921 officially stated that “in July an agreement was concluded with Azerbaijan on Nagorno-Karabakh, which will be included in Soviet Armenia”[211].
          The decision to transfer the final hearing to Moscow was not carried out and the next day, July 5, a new meeting of the Caucasian Bureau was convened, at which Narimanov called for a review of the previous day’s resolution and to resolve the issue in favor of Azerbaijan.[183][212] As a result of the meeting, the following resolution was adopted:
          “Based on the need for national peace between Muslims and Armenians and the economic connection of Upper and Lower Karabakh, its constant connection with Azerbaijan, Nagorno-Karabakh will be left within the Azerbaijan SSR, giving it broad regional autonomy with the administrative center in the city of Shusha, which is part of the autonomous region .”As a result, the region was included in the Azerbaijan SSR.[171][187][214][204][215] According to Sergei Lezov, such a step was determined by the Bolsheviks’ attempts to find a common language with Turkey, which then, as today, sought to be the patron of the Azerbaijanis
          Does anyone doubt that the patron has changed????!!!!
          1. kNow
            -1
            9 March 2013 10: 05
            Quote: Gari
            the decision was made transfer to Nagorno-Karabakh Armenia


            Quote: Gari
            Based on the need for national peace between Muslims and Armenians and the economic connection of Upper and Lower Karabakh, its constant connection with Azerbaijan, Leave Nagorno-Karabakh within the Azerbaijan SSR
      2. -7
        8 March 2013 23: 39
        Then, by your own logic, the Tatars, Chechens, Dagestanis do not want to live in Christian Russia. And they are free to decide this issue themselves, say, by holding a referendum at the local level
        1. +5
          9 March 2013 16: 00
          And you yourself ask the Chechens, do they want to live separately from Russia? After all, they have already lived on their own and now they will clearly spit in your face for the life they tripled, not without your help. After all, living separately for ordinary people is very difficult. There are pickets everywhere, document checks, curfews, you can’t go anywhere, you can’t go, how many friends there were throughout the USSR. And now everyone has separated into appanage principalities, and those who have separated are mainly the ruling elite, without asking the people about it. Well, now everyone has become enemies at once.
          1. tornado
            +1
            9 March 2013 17: 25
            The Chechens do not want to remain part of the Russian Federation. Just like the Tatars.
            1. +3
              9 March 2013 17: 31
              Does anyone actually care?
            2. 0
              9 March 2013 18: 15
              Quote from torrnado
              The Chechens do not want to remain part of the Russian Federation. Just like the Tatars.

              Enlighten the dark ones. Where does such crazy information come from?
              1. tornado
                0
                10 March 2013 11: 20
                Read the comments on YouTube, on various forums.
            3. 0
              10 March 2013 00: 42
              Quote from torrnado
              don't want to stay in the lineup


              Bavaria, for example, tried a couple of times to raise the question of secession from the Federal Republic of Germany. It is the richest federal state in Germany. All of Germany built everything for them - factories, factories, highways, airports, resorts, stadiums, you can go on and on. And when this was announced the last time, the chancellor said that again, and they would send in troops, with the full accompanying bouquet - curfew, military patrols, and so on...
          2. -3
            9 March 2013 22: 28
            Chechens ALREADY spat in SOMEONE'S face in the 90s and now they spit, remaining part of Russia only nominally, while living at your own expense
            1. +9
              9 March 2013 23: 56
              Firstly, Rosneft pumps out no less from Chechnya and Dagestan than it receives from the budget into these republics, secondly, the Chechens are now killing Chechen separatists, which is good, well, they put their prince on the throne and showered their prince with gold, that’s what both the Romans and Persians did, yes and the beloved Ottomans, the Kremlin is worse, a common colonial practice. Well, if the Chechens spat on us, then the Armenians spat on your head, well, you understand me, joker.
              1. tornado
                +1
                10 March 2013 10: 48
                The Russians are killing the Chechens, not the Chechens killing the Chechens.
              2. -2
                10 March 2013 20: 04
                and we know how to wait for the right moment. The share of the Muslim population of Russia is growing, and the Christian population is decreasing, to your regret and to the regret of your Armenian guides (for you are blind and do not see that they are using you) in 20 years Russia will become our natural ally. so don’t be nervous ., you still can’t do anything
                1. +2
                  10 March 2013 21: 04
                  At the moment, statistics say the opposite; thanks to the increase in living standards and Putin’s policies to stimulate motherhood, the Russian people’s birth rate has increased and the death rate has fallen. In the central “Russian” regions, the birth rate is 10-13 people. per 1000, which is inferior, for example, to 25 per 1000 in Chechnya, but taking into account that there are more than 100 million Russians. In 2012, 1 million 896 thousand newborns were born, of which more than 1,5 million are Slavic children, which is more than all Chechens combined. So, you will have to wait for many hundreds of years. And there is also a tendency for the birth rate to increase among the Slavs and to decrease among Muslims, because Many Muslims living in Russia overcome religious backwardness and begin to use birth control, rather than, as previously, giving birth to poverty due to illiteracy. Statistics and nothing more. But you don’t know how to wait; at the moment, Muslim countries have come to the point of self-destruction, which is what we are seeing. There is a confrontation between the Shiites led by Iran, the Sunnis whose supremacy is being sought by Turkey, the Wahhabi Saudi Arabia and the Muslim Brothers who are being pushed by Qatar. In Europe, on the contrary, they began to tighten the screws on migrants, incl. and Russia has adopted a number of laws that will sharply hit migration. In particular, it is forbidden to sell beer swill in stalls and they began to close en masse, markets are being liquidated throughout Russia where millions of Muslims feed, and stalls and market points belong mainly to Azerbaijanis, having lost their income, many will not be able to support their families and go to the factory mentality and lack of profession will not allow work, which will largely lead to an outflow of these individuals from Russia, as well as an increase in xenophobia and anti-Islamic sentiments among the majority of the population. This is the prospect and rat fertility will not help.
                2. +3
                  10 March 2013 22: 00
                  And even when statistics on illegal migration are published, many people imagine the dominance of Central Asians, but one of the largest sources of illegal migration is Ukraine with more than 2 million illegal migrants in Russia, who are naturally Christians and genetic brothers. And the ethnic composition of the migration increase in the population of Russia for 1992-2007 looks like this: Russians - 65,1%, Armenians - 7,2%, Ukrainians and Belarusians - 6,6%, Tatars - 5,4%, Azerbaijanis - 2,3 %, Bashkirs, Mari, Mordovians, Udmurts and Chuvashs - 1,9%, other peoples of Russia - 2,0%, others -9,5%[3]
                  As you understand, Russians come mainly from the “fraternal” republics, but I like such migrants and Putin’s latest program should increase the influx of Russians to Russia. So, wait, you will need a lot of patience.
  26. kNow
    -4
    8 March 2013 18: 22
    Nagorno-Karabakh is our problem and we will solve it in any case. Neither Russia, nor the USA, nor any other country is our friend and assistant in this matter. That is why we are strengthening our armed forces.
    If someone can’t wait to get involved in someone else’s conflict and die on someone else’s land, please...
    1. MILITARY RF
      +8
      8 March 2013 18: 43
      We honor!!![ crying and let's not forget
      1. kNow
        -7
        8 March 2013 19: 50
        MILITARY RF,
        Is a mockery? How did they explain to the mothers of these 38 Russians why they died on foreign soil, and for what?
        1. Fidain
          +5
          9 March 2013 00: 57
          WILL YOU EXPLAIN TO THE ARAB MERCERANES OF KHATABA AND THEIR MOTHERS
          1. +1
            9 March 2013 18: 18
            Quote: Fidain
            WILL YOU EXPLAIN TO THE ARAB MERCERANES OF KHATABA AND THEIR MOTHERS

            What should I explain to them? They betrayed their mothers, their country and their faith, becoming Wahhabis. Explain to mothers that they gave birth to lousy bastards who were destroyed like dogs and died without a grave?
          2. +1
            10 March 2013 14: 09
            Quote: Fidain
            WILL YOU EXPLAIN TO THE ARAB MERCERANES OF KHATABA AND THEIR MOTHERS


            They don't have mothers, they're sons of bitches...
        2. Gari
          +3
          9 March 2013 03: 32
          You can not understand
      2. Fidain
        +12
        9 March 2013 00: 56
        GLORY AND ETERNAL MEMORY TO ALL THE CHERTIAN BROTHERS WHO STANDED IN THE DEFENSE OF THE BROTHERS IN THE FAITH, AND NOT ONLY. THE RUSSIANS AT ONE TIME WE WERE TAKEN FOR LIBERERS IN ARMENIA AND TO THE END WE WILL BE FRATERNAL PEOPLES, THOUGH WE ARE NOT SLAVS
        1. 0
          9 March 2013 12: 47
          SO-SO..WHEN THERE IS NEED, THERE ARE “RUSSIAN BROTHERS.” AND WHEN THERE ARE NO, “OCCUPIERS”
          1. +2
            9 March 2013 16: 03
            We have never been occupiers of the Armenians, so there is no need to drag this in.
            1. 0
              9 March 2013 22: 30
              read Armenian websites at your leisure. You will learn a lot about yourself
          2. tornado
            0
            9 March 2013 17: 26
            Azerbaijanis are also guided by this logic.
      3. Gari
        +4
        9 March 2013 03: 31
        And not only from Moscow, but to the valiant Cossack brothers, glory to everyone who helped their co-religionists in Karabakh without money
    2. GP
      GP
      +4
      8 March 2013 18: 53
      Quote: kNow
      Nagorno-Karabakh - our problem and we will solve it in any case. Neither Russia, nor the USA, nor any other country is our friend and assistant in this matter. That is why we are strengthening our armed forces.
      If someone can’t wait to get involved in someone else’s conflict and die on someone else’s land, please...


      Alas, you won’t decide. There are global players (Russia, USA, China), there are regional players (Turkey, India, Brazil, Israel), and there are those who play (everyone else). Armenia and Azerbaijan are the 3rd group, not independent. Even if the NKR suddenly wants to give each other generous gifts, groups 1 and 2 will not allow this. Syria, Libya, Egypt are quite prosperous states, they have directly become victims of globalists and regionalists. Not to mention the “simpler” countries - Mali, Sudan, Afghanistan.
      1. kNow
        -8
        8 March 2013 19: 48
        Quote: GP
        There are global players (Russia, USA, China), there are regional players (Turkey, India, Brazil, Israel), and there are those who play (everyone else). Armenia and Azerbaijan are the 3rd group, not independent. Even if the NKR suddenly wants to give each other generous gifts, groups 1 and 2 will not allow this. Syria, Libya, Egypt are quite prosperous states, they have directly become victims of globalists and regionalists. Not to mention the “simpler” countries - Mali, Sudan, Afghanistan.

        Agree. There are states, there are situations. It happened, and Armenia managed to grab its neighbor’s territory. How do you know what will happen tomorrow?
    3. gabatikuk
      +8
      8 March 2013 19: 13
      The Nagorno-Karabakh conflict has been resolved a long time ago. People just need to remember who asked for the urgent signing of a truce agreement. We are confident that this time Armenia will take several more regions. By the way, an Azerbaijani political scientist in the USA recently spoke about this. But they say that the rivers of petrodollars have begun to dry up. And what kind of economy is there without oil? Armenia has been and will remain a loyal ally of Russia and this is important, it seems that Russia has already realized this too.
      1. kNow
        -7
        8 March 2013 19: 45
        Quote: gabatikuk
        The Nagorno-Karabakh conflict has been resolved a long time ago

        so sleep peacefully...
        Quote: gabatikuk
        People just need to remember who asked for the urgent signing of a truce agreement.

        Ordinary people have a lot to remember. Short memory makes history repeat itself...
        Quote: gabatikuk
        Budtje is confident that this time Armenia will take several more regions.

        laughing

        Quote: gabatikuk
        But they say that the Azeri rivers of petrodollars have begun to dry up. And what kind of economy is there without oil?

        They say. BP received a slap in the face and the oil rivers are in high water again wink

        Quote: gabatikuk
        Armenia has been and will remain true ally Russia and this is important, it seems that Russia has already realized this too.

        The word "loyalty" is not about you. You simply have no other choice. Otherwise, they will eat it.
        1. gabatikuk
          +7
          8 March 2013 21: 06
          Thank you for the advice, but we can easily sleep without it. Do you personally remember who asked and begged for a truce? And as for petrodollars, I’ll say that your Aliyev is not interested in Karabakh at all, it’s only for populism, the main thing is petrodollars, and the rest... is nonsense.
          1. kNow
            -7
            8 March 2013 22: 24
            Quote: gabatikuk
            and we sleep peacefully without it

            keep up the good work smile
            Quote: gabatikuk
            Do you personally remember who asked, begged for a truce?

            yes, I remember very well how an Armenian parliamentarian flew to Baku and you agreed to cultural autonomy
            Quote: gabatikuk
            And as for petrodollars, I’ll say that your Aliyev is not interested in Karabakh at all, it’s only for populism, the main thing is petrodollars, and the rest... is nonsense.

            Yes of course. And Aliyev also has a Maybach. Why does he need Karabakh? and wastes billions of petrodollars on weapons, pure populism :)
            1. Artmark
              +6
              8 March 2013 23: 21
              Is the ax already ready? You are a master at chopping a sleeping person!? stop
              1. Gari
                +6
                9 March 2013 03: 41
                Here we definitely forgot about the main Azerbaijani hero, the officer hacked to death a sleeping man, well, if the Armenian had not been sleeping then, even with an ax, the question would have been able to overcome the sleeping man and the hero will soon erect a monument, although peaceful people in Sumgait and Baku were also chopped down with the same weapons Although
                According to the report, a resident of the Lankaran region Taleh Bagirov, due to the conflict, inflicted numerous wounds on the head of Georgian citizen Ellaz Ismailov. The wounded man was hospitalized in serious condition. T. Bagirov was arrested on the territory of the Yasamal district.
                Due to the conflict, Bakhtiyar Ibragimov injured Akber Rzayev with an ax. As Vesti.Az reports with reference to the website of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Azerbaijan, V. Ibragimov was detained by officers of the Nizami district police department of the city of Ganja.
                In the village of Diryan, Lankaran region, a neighbor hit his neighbor with an ax during a dispute over a fence
                An employee of the Terter district police department, police sergeant Imran Babirov, due to a conflict, struck with an ax an employee of the Terter district police department, police sergeant Siyavush Hajiyev - this is a policeman
                In Baku, a man hacked to death his wife and daughter, after which he committed suicide
                It is known that on June 8, 2007, forced migrant Murtuzaev in the village of Garachinar, Goranboy district, because of a dispute that arose over the division of real estate (housing) abandoned by an Armenian family during the outbreak of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict, broke the head of fellow villager Matanat Kerimova with an ax and killed her with the same weapon fellow countryman Muhammad
                I think that's enough, this is all just a small selection
        2. Fidain
          +5
          9 March 2013 00: 59
          YOU'RE LAUGHING!!! AND ABOVE ARTSAKH IS THE ARMENIAN TRICOLORE
          1. -3
            9 March 2013 12: 04
            He who laughs last laughs best!!!
      2. Baboon
        -1
        8 March 2013 21: 17
        I don’t know about loyalty anymore, your politicians have already started talking - Europe is nicer, and in the USA there is real democracy, that’s for us. Is this like a hint, is it fake somewhere?
        1. Fidain
          +4
          9 March 2013 01: 03
          Before Syria, Russia did not defend more than one of its ally, and during the time of Yeltsin it itself knelt before the West, so there is no need for samnivism in our allegiance
    4. Fidain
      +5
      9 March 2013 00: 53
      Do not make me laugh!!! Without Turkey, Azerbaijan is nothing, and Turkey itself throughout history has always relied on England, France, Germany and now America, so don’t say that you are on your own and can decide something
      1. -2
        9 March 2013 00: 59
        b]Fidain,

        eceli gelen it cami avlusuna isermis! there is such a proverb
      2. -3
        9 March 2013 11: 50
        and who are you without Russia?
        1. Gari
          +2
          9 March 2013 16: 13
          and who are you without Turkey?
          1. kNow
            -1
            9 March 2013 16: 21
            Quote: Gari
            and who are you without Turkey?

            We are who we are today. We guard our borders ourselves and do not appease other people’s bases at our own expense.
            1. Gari
              +3
              9 March 2013 21: 11
              During the Union, Aliyev said that the sun for Azerbaijan rises in the north, the Union collapsed, Russia became weak and can now be seen sharply in the west or southwest,
              Well, yes, they kicked out the Russians, but the holy place is empty now you have brothers Turks and Israel
              “Azerbaijan is turning into an anti-Iranian base. Israel’s arming of Azerbaijan is increasingly gaining momentum. Thus, Tel Aviv is abusing Baku’s crisis situation,” Iranian international affairs expert, head of the Iranian analytical center “New Perspectives” Mirghasem Moumeni told a REGNUM correspondent.

              According to Moumeni, after Azerbaijan gained independence in 1991, after the Armenian-Azerbaijani war for dominance over Nagorno-Karabakh, “Israel suggested that Azerbaijani politicians use the forces of the Jewish lobby in the fight against the Armenians.”

              “Azerbaijan not only purchases weapons, but also hosts Israeli advisers and consultants... From a political, economic, military, and security point of view, Israel managed to create good conditions for itself in Azerbaijan, that is, on the border with Iran ", the expert emphasized.
              1. kNow
                -1
                9 March 2013 21: 18
                Gari,
                if you spent so much time and energy on your country, maybe you would live like normal people laughing
                1. Gari
                  +2
                  9 March 2013 23: 26
                  A patriot of your country, what kind of flag do you have, or have you been there for a long time under this flag, now your heroism is clear from afar
                  1. kNow
                    -4
                    9 March 2013 23: 30
                    Gari,
                    wah-wah, the flag gave me away, I disguised myself poorly laughing I'm not a patriot, what can I do? laughing make an agreement with Fox, go to study together, you can pay for his education as a loyal ally
                    1. FOX.
                      +2
                      9 March 2013 23: 41
                      Quote: kNow
                      As a loyal ally, you can pay for his training

                      The USSR Ministry of Defense paid for my training... But change the proxy after all...
      3. +5
        9 March 2013 16: 10
        Yes, that's right! The Turks had many hegemons, but from Mother Russia hi she always got punched in the teeth.
  27. pinecone
    0
    8 March 2013 19: 43
    Phantom revolutions
    It is possible that you simply confused Armenia with Georgia, with which we actually have a common religion, that is, the Orthodox religion. The basic dogmas of the Armenian Gregorian Church are incompatible with Orthodoxy.
    1. gabatikuk
      +1
      8 March 2013 21: 14
      What does Georgia have to do with it??? The whole world knows the Russian-Georgian relations. OR THEN drinks THEM "WINE IS GOOD" drinks
    2. Fidain
      -2
      9 March 2013 01: 04
      And what is Islam better than someone who mixes with Orthodoxy?
  28. gabatikuk
    +3
    8 March 2013 20: 52
    Quote: pinecone
    The basic dogmas of the Armenian Gregorian Church are incompatible with Orthodoxy.

    I live in Armenia, and I can’t confuse it, but you can, in essence, not indirectly
  29. pinecone
    +1
    8 March 2013 21: 25
    It is enough to familiarize yourself with the resolutions of the Council of Chalcedon in 451 and the reaction to them on the part of the Armenian bishops.
    1. gabatikuk
      +3
      8 March 2013 23: 33
      Personally, I consider myself an experienced Christian, the main thing here is that we understand that the only way to save our souls is JESUS ​​CHRIST!!!
      And when I pray for the salvation of my brothers and sisters, you will definitely be among them, if you are a Christian, of course. Let the religious officials deal with disagreements.
    2. Fidain
      +2
      9 March 2013 01: 06
      If it weren’t for confusion, in those days it was not the Russians who beat the glorious ones, but Byzantium (the Eastern Roman Empire) and they didn’t beat us as allies as races, they beat us as occupiers
  30. 120352
    +7
    8 March 2013 21: 46
    Armenians are not Muslims! Armenians are Christians! We need to protect them...
    1. Macaroni
      -1
      8 March 2013 22: 50
      Russia rushed to the ungrateful Balkans
      1. gabatikuk
        +4
        8 March 2013 23: 16
        Understand me correctly, if our states are allies, then our interests coincide in some way, and if this is so, then what is the conversation about? No one does anything for nothing, without motivation. So we are friends forever good
        1. -4
          9 March 2013 11: 53
          Why did the metro be blown up for “friends” in 1977?
    2. gabatikuk
      +2
      8 March 2013 23: 04
      By the way, we adopted Christianity back in the 301st year, 1700 years ago,
    3. -1
      8 March 2013 23: 09
      Billions of dollars of Russian taxpayers go into a hole called Armenia. Russia loses an order of magnitude more by supporting its aggressive “ally”, which simply uses it for its own purposes, and its loyalty to Russia, to put it mildly, is questionable (remember Chinese MLRS and Japanese tractors)
      1. Artmark
        +2
        8 March 2013 23: 26
        YES, try to stir up something, but about Azerbaijan’s purchases from Jews for 1,6 billion. don’t waste dollars from Turkey either Yes
        1. -3
          9 March 2013 12: 01
          telling the truth does not "stir up". Since Russia doesn’t want to sell to us, that’s its business. There will be people who want it. It’s probably more profitable for Russia to spend billions on maintaining a “black hole.” And there’s unlikely to be a return
          1. +3
            9 March 2013 16: 23
            There will be a return, this will calm your evil intentions.
            1. 0
              9 March 2013 22: 33
              it seems so to you
          2. gabatikuk
            0
            9 March 2013 20: 47
            Look, he’s worried about Russian money, it’s better to worry about your money, because from your sultan to an ordinary officer, there are corrupt officials. And as for Russia, finally understand that this country doesn’t do anything for nothing, if it spends millions, it means it had to, but what about you?
      2. Fidain
        +2
        9 March 2013 01: 09
        Are you confused, is it us who shout about a warrior at all the calls, or our officers............. killing innocent people in their sleep.
      3. +1
        9 March 2013 16: 21
        How much did you extract from Russia in your time?
        1. kNow
          -1
          9 March 2013 16: 22
          Simon,
          who are you talking about?
        2. -2
          9 March 2013 22: 40
          During the Soviet era, Azerbaijan, along with Russia and Ukraine, were self-sufficient, and the remaining 12 were eaters. By acting as lawyers for Armenians (free of charge), at least do not distort history. Is the example of the Armenians really so contagious?
    4. Baboon
      -1
      9 March 2013 00: 09
      The Armenians will remember. that Europe is also Christian, if anything.
  31. Husseyn
    -10
    8 March 2013 23: 39
    In my opinion, there is nothing new in the article, a broken record, once more aimed at Azerbaijanis, the only problem is that a new generation has already grown up in Azerbaijan, which, frankly speaking, most likely will not read this, and this noodles have not had any effect for a long time renders. Young people are learning English, thinking about integration with the rest of the world, and not about Moscow markets. So, a couple of Russian-speaking Azerbaijanis like me may also write a couple of posts, nothing more.
    Words and phrases about Russia, the CSTO, the Gyumri base, the fighting spirit of the NKR, Christian brothers, etc. and prst. - nonsense and nothing more, don’t make me laugh...
    Everyone understands perfectly well that, among other things, the territories of Azerbaijan are occupied outside the administrative borders of the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Okrug during the USSR, everyone understands perfectly well that it is now possible to return the occupied territories only by military means, there is no other way out, and Russia itself has driven both Azerbaijan and Armenia into this situation. Previously, Azerbaijan was weak after a defeat, the main reason for which was internal political problems and faction fighting, and not morale or the fact that the Armenians had Russian soldiers behind them.
    There is another horror myth that says that if there is no Russian military base in Armenia, the Armenians will be slaughtered tomorrow by the Turks and Azerbaijanis - nonsense. The Armenian diaspora is quite strong in the world, and even if there is no Russian base in Armenia, neither Turkey nor Azerbaijan will be able to pose a threat to it, and with the resolution of the conflict, albeit by military means, most likely Armenia will be under pressure from the West on Turkey and Azerbaijan, will be actively involved in all regional projects, which will only benefit the population of Armenia, which has become hostage to the interests and policies of Russia in the region and its leadership.

    So the goal of all these articles and a hundred times chewed burps from myths and horror stories is only one, to sow and fuel certain fears among both the population of Armenia and the population of Azerbaijan. But Russia, alas, is already late, this game is also lost, and I repeat, not for Armenia, but for Russia. The only thing that could have saved the situation, about five years ago, was if Russia had actually taken steps and resolved the conflict.
    So that:
    1. War and defeat of Armenia are inevitable, a fact, and a sure sign of this is that Russia was asked to remove the Gabala radar station, which would most likely simply be blown up, just like in the Baltics. The defeat of Armenia is the end of the Russian presence in this country, Armenia will turn to the West, and the changes in it will be significant and more effective than in Azerbaijan or Georgia.
    That is why such articles come out from the pens of “analysts”; Russia is trying with all its might to delay the inevitable.
    2. Russia will not decide on open aggression against Azerbaijan, that’s also a fact.
    3. The participation of Russian military personnel on the side of Armenia will not play any role - fact. Azerbaijan and Armenia taken together are smaller than most of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation in area, and the theater of military operations is a total disaster.
    This is the funniest myth, sorry, but when they talk about Russian servicemen, it feels like their mothers give birth bulletproof - not only will they kill, but their bullets will not escape, Azerbaijanis are not armed with sticks, and the participation of Russian servicemen in hostilities is only will harden them. Moreover, our hands are untied, since no conventions apply to mercenaries.
    I served in both armies, the Russian and the Azerbaijani, and I saw both of them not at the parade, I can compare and evaluate the possibilities, so I personally am not afraid of the prospect of the participation of Russian military personnel on the side of Armenia, especially not one none of my Russian colleagues is eager to take the rap for the Armenians. The Armenians in the south of the Russian Federation didn’t think it was enough when reservists from these regions were thrown into Baku; not a single one could stick their nose out into the street; the same story will happen here if Russian soldiers start dying in Karabakh.
    1. Moritz
      +4
      9 March 2013 00: 28
      Quote: Huseyn
      In my opinion, there is nothing new in the article, a broken record, once more aimed at Azerbaijanis, the only problem is that a new generation has already grown up in Azerbaijan, which, frankly speaking, most likely will not read this, and this noodles have not had any effect for a long time renders. Young people are learning English, thinking about integration with the rest of the world, and not about Moscow markets.

      That’s right, Huseyn, they don’t think about markets, their fathers have already thought well about those markets for them and for their future grandchildren. And these young people study in Europe, hang out in clubs, lead a secular lifestyle. And you will never prove to me that these young people dream of recapturing the stony desert with weapons in their hands, well, over tea and hookah they can only talk about how Karabakh needs to be returned, and that’s where their patriotism ends.
      1. imperiologist
        0
        9 March 2013 11: 22
        Well, Karabakh is far from a desert
    2. +7
      9 March 2013 00: 31
      Quote: Huseyn
      Young people are learning English, thinking about integration with the rest of the world, and not about Moscow markets.

      Well, thank God! A MIRACLE has happened, I’m so happy for you (Azerbaijan)! And even more for us (Russia)! hi
    3. +8
      9 March 2013 00: 44
      Apparently you did not serve in long-range aviation or on a naval missile carrier, but somewhere simpler, so that you can judge the Russian army in this way. Your conclusions about the inevitable defeat of Armenia are good, but only in the head while it is on the neck. Can Azerbaijan blow up Moscow? Of course not, but someone can wipe Baku off the face of the earth, that’s the whole difference. And if you served in a construction battalion, it’s better to keep quiet about the capabilities of Russian weapons, there was only Mishiko here, he also boasted, but then he ate either his tie or his socks. Sorry, history apparently forgot to write about the great Azerbaijani heroes by mistake, but just from your words one can be scared. Ask the Germans about the myths about the Russian soldier, they will tell you.
      1. gabatikuk
        +1
        9 March 2013 20: 58
        Dear, let them just try...... If then we showed them with a hunting weapon in our hands.... then you can be sure of cutting.
        1. kNow
          -2
          9 March 2013 21: 05
          gabatikuk,
          By the way, you had some cool guys - they were called Arabos, what happened to them?
          1. Gari
            0
            10 March 2013 23: 56
            The war is over, they are working peacefully, and those who serve in the Armenian Army, well done for remembering, hearing how they fought, don’t be afraid, they are always ready to defend their Motherland again, I know that for sure.
    4. +3
      9 March 2013 01: 35
      Quote: Huseyn
      Russia will not decide on open aggression against Azerbaijan, that’s also a fact

      Saakashvili also thought so when he attacked our guys in South Ossetia. I wonder if you really think that Putin will allow you to shoot our soldiers and not get an answer?
      Quote: Huseyn
      3. The participation of Russian military personnel on the side of Armenia will not play any role - fact. Azerbaijan and Armenia taken together are smaller than most of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation in area, and the theater of military operations is a total disaster.

      They won’t have to fight much as soon as the troops of the Southern District take Baku, the entire “Azerbaijani army” will flee to their homes. Azerbaijan’s hopes for NATO are simply stupid - they will not start a nuclear war over such a trifle as Karabakh.
    5. Artmark
      +3
      9 March 2013 01: 43
      The wisdom of warriors is that they never underestimate the enemy! and you will literally erase all of Armenia in a day...that’s funny lol
      1. gabatikuk
        +2
        9 March 2013 11: 29
        My brother and the old saying goes: the fool is the one who learns from his own mistakes. apparently \\\\\ they can conquer the whole world in front of a computer. Our Russian friends have already talked about Mishiko’s bitter lessons so many times. They probably need a repeat of the lesson???
        1. +3
          9 March 2013 18: 30
          Quote: gabatikuk
          How many times have our Russian friends talked about Mishiko’s bitter lessons?

          Yes, a bitter lesson. The Georgian army held out for 4 days! And if it weren’t for our Russian carelessness, well, there would be enough hours for 10 Georgians...
          And now the General Staff has already drawn conclusions based on the events of 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX...
    6. imperiologist
      +2
      9 March 2013 08: 26
      Only a representative of Azerbaijani youth and hardly a native Bakuvian can write this way.
    7. imperiologist
      +3
      9 March 2013 09: 10
      Baku was once an international city, a city in which all nationalities and cultures coexisted. I witnessed the events that took place in Baku and I still don’t want to remember it, but I don’t blame either the Azerbaijanis or the Armenians because they became hostages of the great anti-Soviet strategy of the United States to destabilize the region. Moreover, it is clearly not finished. Anyone who does not believe in the involvement of the United States in this is simply stupid, simple logic is enough to understand who benefited from this, Russia no, Azerbaijan no, Armenia no, only the jackals with their henchmen the Turks remain.
      This conflict cannot be helped by war and that’s a fact! Once upon a time, a world war began because of the murder of an archduke, which prevents it from starting today because of some incident in Karabakh.
    8. +6
      9 March 2013 16: 07
      And how do you imagine this? In the event of hostilities on the territory of Armenia, we (I serve in the 102nd base) are obliged to defend this territory (nothing personal - but there is an order). Naturally there will be losses. And do you think that the Russian army will remain inactive? I've already seen this somewhere. And - I remembered - in August 2008! And also “Azerbaijanis are not armed with sticks, and the participation of Russian military personnel in hostilities will only embitter them.” - I’m so scared! Our families are with us in Armenia, and if we become embittered, we will drive them to the Caspian Sea and there we will drown anyone we do not kill along the way. How do you like this option? Otherwise, you have already decided and calculated everything there.
  32. kukuruzo
    +1
    9 March 2013 00: 11
    each side claims that it is right...accuses the other side of meanness...besides, both are waging information wars...how can we find out the truth?
    1. gabatikuk
      +1
      9 March 2013 11: 36
      And you try... because there is only one truth! request
  33. Gari
    0
    9 March 2013 03: 48
    Russia and Armenia, brothers in the Faith, were and will be allies.
    And Karabakh belongs to those who lived, fought for their land and will continue to live, the Karabakh Armenians, who doubt again can check, sit and act like heroes in front of a computer, this is something everyone can do, but a real war is different
    Peace and prosperity to us all throughout the entire space of the former and mighty USSR
    1. Kaa
      +4
      9 March 2013 04: 07
      Quote: Gari
      Russia and Armenia, brothers in the Faith, were and will be allies.

      Respected Gari! Considering that the peaceful women’s holiday recently ended, I dared to ask my Azerbaijani colleagues not to start a confrontation in the dead of night, it seems to me that they listened. Everyone shares your concern about the problems of the Armenian people, but I dare to ask you to change the topic of your posts, they are of the same type and repetitive. Maybe before bed, about women? wink hi
      1. Gari
        +1
        9 March 2013 21: 16
        I agree, sorry I noticed your comment late, I was already asleep, after all it was a holiday, I just couldn’t restrain myself when I saw how blatantly they were lying
        And we celebrated well the beloved men's holiday on March 8, congratulations to your women and all Mothers, Wives of daughters
  34. +1
    9 March 2013 09: 45
    That’s how I read the comments and for some reason I remembered the old French-Italian film “The Law is the Law” Where Fernandel and Toto also played. The action takes place in a small mountain town, where the border runs right along the street, along the roofs of houses and across the mountains. And also the eternal enmity between the French and Italians. The border guard (Fernandel) was offended by the fact that he, who always considered himself a Frenchman, was removed due to the fact that the smuggler (Toto) declared that he was Italian and therefore had no right to detain him for smuggling. The conflict flared up. In the end, Fernandel “took revenge” on the administration of both sides. And the same smuggler found confirmation that the border guard was born on the French side, and only because of the “enterprising spirit” of the restaurant owner, who arbitrarily moved the border on the roof of his restaurant in order to increase customers, this conflict also occurred.
    It seems to me that the residents of Nagorno-Karabakh themselves would be able to resolve their conflict if politicians did not interfere in it. Yes, in the end, they would simply draw such a white border and live quite peacefully. Maybe it's worth thinking about?
  35. +1
    9 March 2013 10: 02
    In fact, Vanga predicted that “The Caucasus will completely calm down in 40 years. All conflicts will be resolved there and wars will end.” If we take 1988 + 40 as a starting point.....it’s not that long left.
  36. Husseyn
    -6
    9 March 2013 11: 46
    Quote: hrych
    Apparently you did not serve in long-range aviation or on a naval missile carrier, but somewhere simpler, so that you can judge the Russian army in this way.
    You are completely right about long-range aviation, I did not serve in it, everything is much simpler - a separate reconnaissance company, an engineering company, a mine clearance service. Even while serving in the Russian Federation, I never saw long-range aviation and thank God, there were enough crocodiles to cover the VVshniki and riot police in the neighborhood. Work, you can’t even call it service - I dug up potatoes that peaceful collective farmers sowed, and picked pumpkins that they hung on trees. Sheer penny-pinching, he left nothing for people, everything for himself.
    In Azerbaijan, there is no long-range aviation :), they are big and greyhound-tongued, but for the most part their neighbors are just as naked-assed and they fly on scrap metal. And for the little ones, it’s expensive to feast the eyes of an air show from these giants, tons of kerosene, one airplane is worth one tank regiment - especially when they shoot down at least one, then a bunch of T-72s, and it’s useless to show Czech self-propelled guns, a dozen bunches of them aren’t worth one strategic bomber or reconnaissance aircraft at its base.
    So for the small and modest, economy class is only available, instead of an air show there are modest fireworks, well, sow potatoes, pumpkins...

    As for wiping Baku off the face of the earth, it’s scary, of course, to imagine such a prospect for my family members and relatives living there. I won’t even tell a freak that after this I’ll wipe his family off the face of the earth, after all, it’s not a bit of a woman’s thing, the fact that the husband is... ok, it’s out of desperation, I suppose there are no others in Mukhoska - he’s a trash, but he’s drunk, but this one is an intellectual, here He even knows how to use a computer :), and children are especially not responsible for their fathers.
    Have you thought about such things? Or a hundred grams in the throat and off we go, threatening corn crops to everyone we hit, but it never occurred to us, for example, that a bus with crews might simply not make it to the airfield, and there are only a few trained crews out there? :) Well, what are the goals in Baku? for Tu-95, Tu-22 or Tu-160? :) You see, the trouble is, I didn’t serve in long-range aviation, but I know how it is guarded, like the rest of the notorious triad, strong and weak points too, no need for expensive air defense, planes simply won’t take off from their airfield, so what next? :)

    You, my friend, are just a bastard from Tyrnet, but other specialists actually fight with women and children, and bathe in blood, even the devils even remember Christ: (It’s just that they accuse us of everything, and from the proposal to create a tribunal for war crimes in Karabakh they refuse... Why would that be?

    Quote: albert
    They won’t have to fight much as soon as the troops of the Southern District take Baku, the entire “Azerbaijani army” will flee to their homes. Azerbaijan’s hopes for NATO are simply stupid - they will not start a nuclear war over such a trifle as Karabakh.
    Hm, you know, I somehow got used to relying on myself in this life and on those whom I trusted in this life more than once, there were no Americans among them :) What America didn’t share with Russia is the problem of Russia, not Azerbaijan :) More powerful Scoop , by the way, my homeland, alas, was blown away without a nuclear war, just oil prices fell, for which only one voyage by Kissinger against the oil-producing vassals of the United States was enough. And Russia is no match for the USSR, so I think when the States once again get tired of hearing from the smart guys from Moscow, the current leadership is mired in theft, thank God I hope there won’t be a nuclear war either, everything will be simple and ordinary.
    1. +8
      9 March 2013 13: 38
      You write a lot, but there is no point, since there is an Armenian flag over the lousy Karabakh, at the very least, Mother Russia, a Georgian adversary comparable to you, pacified without strategists and with small forces, and over the past four years a lot of things have changed. About the watermelon-type saboteurs intercepting the crews of missile carriers, well, it’s just laughable, especially if the missile carrier is in the Arctic and at depth, but oh well, he himself admitted that the scout was digging the potatoes. Regarding a nuclear strike on Baku, it is not such a fantasy; in a global conflict, in order to prevent the Turks from reaching the Caspian Sea, which Armenia is doing geographically, Russia will use all means in accordance with the accepted Military Doctrine, which includes attacks on enemy control centers and his allies, and your country, unfortunately, is currently, whatever one may say, Russia’s enemy, both bloc, religious, and economically. Karabakh is a buffer between Azerbaijan and the Turkish army, so the closer your relations with the Turks, the further the hypothetical possibility of owning this land.
      1. kNow
        -1
        9 March 2013 15: 10
        hrych,
        Quote: hrych
        your country is currently, whatever one may say, Russia’s enemy, both bloc, religious, and economically


        In the future, you and I need to tightly close the borders - expelling all “enemies” and reduce all relations to a minimum. And you will live in peace, and we...
        1. +4
          9 March 2013 15: 31
          Between us, apart from your compatriots who sell beer and drugs here, our population will only thank you for closing the borders. And about hostility, excuse me, this is a fact, anti-Russian GUAM alone is worth something, and in general, after the pacification of Georgia, everything changed, Russia became evil.
  37. +4
    9 March 2013 11: 47
    I am sure that wedges are being driven between Armenians and Azerbaijanis who benefit from instability around Russia
  38. -1
    9 March 2013 12: 27
    HAS ANYONE WONDERED THE QUESTION WHY SHOULD RUSSIA INTERVENE? AZERBAIJAN IS NOT GOING TO ATTACK ARMENIA. AND NAGORNO-KARABAKH DOES NOT EVEN HAVE A COMMON BORDER WITH ARMENIA. ARMENIA CURRENTLY OCCUPIES 20% OF THE TERRITORY OF AZ ERBAIJAN. THIS IS KARABAKH ITSELF, WHERE A THIRD WERE AZERBAIJANIANS, AND 7 REGIONS WHERE NOT A ONE ARMENIAN LIVED. THAT IS THE FACT OF EXTERNAL AGGRESSION AND INTERNAL SEPARATISM. SO IT TURNES OUT IF RUSSIA IS CONDUCTING MILITARY ACTIONS IN THE NORTH CAUCASUS, THIS IS A "FIGHT AGAINST SEPARATISM" AND SIMILAR ACTIONS OF AZERBAIJAN IS "AGGRESSION?" WHY CARRY OUT DOUBLE STANDARDS? AND WHEN WILL RUSSIA STOP WATCHING TO SEE THE WORLD THROUGH ARMENIAN GLASSES? IT’S NOT THE SAME PROFITABLE
  39. Husseyn
    -4
    9 March 2013 13: 31
    Quote from astra
    I am sure that wedges are being driven between Armenians and Azerbaijanis who benefit from instability around Russia
    And this is true, but today’s, not yesterday’s.
    Yesterday Russia could have sorted everything out, after all, it had, has and will have authority, connections, and leverage in the South Caucasus. But instead of strong allies, Russia chose dependent neighbors, instead of politics within these countries, it preferred blackmail by taking everyone by the balls in the region - Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan. Those. began to use the conflict to its advantage, and today fell into the trap of such a policy. Figuratively speaking, there is a charge, there is a fire cord (bickford, as ordinary people call it), but only Russia now has matches, but several countries.
    Azerbaijan must regain control over its territories, this is natural, and would happen sooner or later, but only now this, among other things, may be at the most inopportune moment for Russia, and Azerbaijan is forced and most likely will look for just such an opportunity to start resuming hostilities, I repeat at the most inopportune moment precisely for Russia, which failed to take a position over the parties, but took the side of one of the countries in the conflict.

    I was once told another version, and it came from the lips of an Armenian; this is only a version for considering and assessing the possibility of such a development of events.
    Nobody thought of this scenario:
    1. Start of hostilities by Azerbaijan;
    2. A peacekeeping contingent under the auspices of the UN was introduced into the buffer zone between Azerbaijan and Armenia, along the border between these states;
    3. The MS consists of troops from England, the USA, France, Germany and, for example, the Russian Federation, and the first ones, mind you, are also based on the territory of Armenia.
    4. The removal of tension on the contact line, democratic elections in Armenia and the exposure of the current corrupt pro-Russian leadership lead to the adoption of a decision by the parliament of the Republic of Azerbaijan on the withdrawal of Russian troops from Armenia and withdrawal from the CSTO.

    Fantastic at first glance, even for me, but the more I read articles by “analysts” with horror stories and if we combine them, then the fears of “analysts” and the leadership of the Russian Federation of precisely this kind are visible, albeit different in nuances.
    1. Kaa
      +5
      9 March 2013 13: 41
      Quote: Huseyn
      The MS consists of troops from England, the USA, France, Germany and, for example, the Russian Federation
      On what side are Britain, France, Germany, what are they, the closest neighbors in the region? And if Russia, Iran and, for example, Turkey - both Azerbaijanis and Armenians live in all these countries in the region... Do you need to push NATO there, into the former SOVIET republics? So this is Russia, which you “FOR EXAMPLE” attached at the end and don’t get it for nothing, and don’t get it for money!
    2. +9
      9 March 2013 13: 59
      Well, they got independence, well, they couldn’t resolve the territorial issue peacefully, well, they fought, well, the Armenians won. And what is Russia to blame for? What didn’t get involved in the war on the side of Azerbaijan or Armenia? Is it her fault that Russia forced the Armenian offensive to stop and recognized the integrity of Azerbaijan?
    3. kNow
      -3
      9 March 2013 15: 17
      Quote: Huseyn
      Nobody thought of this scenario:
      1. Start of hostilities by Azerbaijan;
      2. A peacekeeping contingent under the auspices of the UN was introduced into the buffer zone between Azerbaijan and Armenia, along the border between these states;
      3. The MS consists of troops from England, the USA, France, Germany and, for example, the Russian Federation, and the first ones, mind you, are also based on the territory of Armenia.
      4. The resolution of tension on the contact line, democratic elections in Armenia and the exposure of the current corrupt pro-Russian leadership lead to the adoption of a decision by the parliament of the Republic of Azerbaijan on the withdrawal of Russian troops from Armenia and withdrawal from the CSTO.


      Everything is heading towards this. But it is unlikely that Russians will be among the peacekeepers.
      And one more thing - it will not be possible to place peacekeepers on the territory of Armenia. But resolving the conflict in favor of Azerbaijan will cause such a wave in Armenia that it will sweep away the pro-Russian forces, which will be replaced by you know who wink

      If something is not done on time, it either becomes unnecessary, or someone else does it.
      1. +2
        9 March 2013 20: 29
        It is unlikely that NATO will be among the peacekeepers, and if it is, it will only be as an observer. They will not take this out. America is sending 70% of its forces to the Pacific Ocean closer to China, this is the official doctrine of the Americans. And here it is not for them, not for the Turks the careless ones, who in 200 years have turned into traders and builders, have nothing to catch. Russia will correctly “deny” everyone a UN mandate, although I think the Chinese would not refuse to gain experience. Considering that France will not get into Mali, Germany will not get involved, and England is heading towards eradication Muslim tolerance! So I think Azerbaijan has not lost its mind like the pug in Krylov’s fable!!!
  40. 0
    9 March 2013 13: 55
    What we need is not NATO, but the restoration of territorial integrity. It would be better for the interests of Russia itself if it finally defended its own interests, and not the interests of its would-be “allies”
  41. -2
    9 March 2013 14: 01
    According to local analysts, official Baku is and will continue to cooperate with NATO, but will never take steps that could harm good neighborly relations with both Iran and Russia. By the way, the country's top leadership has officially stated this more than once.
  42. Rumi007
    +4
    9 March 2013 14: 41
    Regarding the cancellation of the delivery of the third S-300 division, Favorite to Azerbaijan is a canard.

    Here is the news from Rosoboronexport:

    Rosoboronexport called the recent press reports about the ban on the sale of the S-300 complex to Azerbaijan by the Russian government leadership unfounded. The complex ordered by Azerbaijan has already been delivered to Baku.

    “There are no problems with the acquisition or implementation of contracts between the two countries,” the company said.

    It is noted that Rosoboronexport sees Azerbaijan as one of its important clients in the CIS. The company reported that Azerbaijan’s material capabilities today allow it to acquire the most modern weapons and equipment: “In recent years, several important agreements have been concluded between Azerbaijan and Russia. This includes various orders for the delivery of aviation, land vehicles and combat vehicles. These contracts are currently being implemented as scheduled.”
  43. Gari
    +2
    9 March 2013 16: 28
    Statement by Zhirinovsky, who, despite its odiousness, can still be considered a patriot of Russia - According to him, Russia does not recognize the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan, since in this case it will ruin relations with Armenia: “We need Armenia as a means of putting pressure on Turkey. Turkey is interfering with Azerbaijan. If there were no Turkey, the Nagorno-Karabakh problem would have been solved. Türkiye is a big country, a NATO member. She has a strong army. Armenia protects our border from Turkey.”
    I don't want a war between Azerbaijan and Armenia. The OSCE Minsk Group, France and others will never be able to help solve the problem. We will never leave Armenia alone because Turkey directly threatens us. Do you know about the “3rd Turkish Field Army”? They want to capture the entire Caucasus, Voronezh, Volgograd and Rostov. We cannot allow this,” the head of the LDPR emphasized.
    So I think the Military-Political leadership of Russia are still patriots of their country, they will defend their strategic interests, which were mentioned above
    Russia and Armenia have been and will be together
    1. kNow
      -1
      9 March 2013 16: 45
      Quote: Gari
      According to him, Russia does not recognize the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan, since in this case it will ruin relations with Armenia

      Zhirik is a clown. Russia has long recognized the integrity of Azerbaijan.
      Quote: Gari
      We need Armenia as a means of putting pressure on Turkey

      Yes Yes laughing outpost
      1. Gari
        +1
        9 March 2013 21: 19
        Against a Turkish outpost
    2. 0
      9 March 2013 16: 56
      Quote: Gari
      Türkiye directly threatens us. Do you know about the “3rd Turkish Field Army”? They want to capture the entire Caucasus, Voronezh, Volgograd and Rostov.


      What nonsense? Who is dreaming? Russia has powerful weapons that no one can stand against! Do you think we are suicides?
      From another country, Armenians probably dream that we would fight with Russia!
      1. -3
        9 March 2013 22: 51
        gari, tell me honestly, do you believe your own words? Perhaps you think “the more lies the better”
  44. Husseyn
    +3
    9 March 2013 18: 45
    Quote: Gari
    Statement by Zhirinovsky, who, despite its odiousness, can still be considered a patriot of Russia - According to him, Russia does not recognize the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan, since in this case it will ruin relations with Armenia: “We need Armenia as a means of putting pressure on Turkey. Turkey is interfering with Azerbaijan. If there were no Turkey, the Nagorno-Karabakh problem would have been solved. Türkiye is a big country, a NATO member. She has a strong army. Armenia protects our border from Turkey.”
    I don't want a war between Azerbaijan and Armenia. The OSCE Minsk Group, France and others will never be able to help solve the problem. We will never leave Armenia alone because Turkey directly threatens us. Do you know about the “3rd Turkish Field Army”? They want to capture the entire Caucasus, Voronezh, Volgograd and Rostov. We cannot allow this,” the head of the LDPR emphasized.
    So I think the Military-Political leadership of Russia are still patriots of their country, they will defend their strategic interests, which were mentioned above
    Russia and Armenia have been and will be together
    Well, according to the first part, firstly, Azerbaijan was recognized by Russia, and within its borders at the time of the collapse of the USSR.
    I really liked the last phrase “Russia and Armenia have been and will be together,” who is against it if it concerns two sovereign states and is mutually beneficial. The problem is different Azerbaijan and Armenia have been and will be together, no matter how everything around changes, these two states are and will be neighbors and have a common border in the west-east and south-north (Nikhichevan), what to do with this? Is Armenia like a helicopter, will it take off tomorrow and land somewhere in the world’s oceans, or on Russian territory?
    Here they sing about love, about Christianity. Do you really believe that for them you are not an ARA or a BLACK-ASS, but an equal partner and a brotherly people, and the Armenians are loved in Russia, where the authorities are now playing on the theme of nationalism in order to distract the population?
    I just have to hear similar things from my Armenian friends living in Russia, maybe you encounter a different attitude?

    Another problem. For example, Europeans fought with each other dozens of times, in one 20th century there were two world wars, BUT they now live, coexist, cooperate and prosper. It didn’t occur to you that Russia is far away, but your neighbor is nearby, and no matter how you look at it, together forever, and what next? Russia has never been a stable state, it is constantly shaking, if a crisis begins with the owner, where do you tell the poor slave, Armenia, to go when Russia has no time for you?
    1. Gari
      +3
      9 March 2013 21: 25
      Armenia is not a slave, but the fact that we will have to live together with this I agree and now we live, ordinary people have no time for war, the rulers yes, they only escalate the atmosphere of cruelty and non-reconciliation and the result is to hack to death a sleeping man just because he is an Armenian
      1. kNow
        -4
        9 March 2013 21: 33
        Quote: Gari
        Armenia is not a slave

        Serf, slave. Your rulers are appointed from Moscow, those who are dissatisfied are shot in parliament, those who retire are provided with jobs in Russian companies, they guard your borders, they use your territory as an outpost, and you serve them at your own expense. Slave at 100.
        1. Gari
          +5
          9 March 2013 22: 33
          Listen, I don't think I insulted you
          1. kNow
            -4
            9 March 2013 22: 38
            Quote: Gari

            Listen, I don't think I insulted you

            Honestly, I adore you laughing
            Why do you see insults everywhere? these are well-known facts. It’s better to try to refute it, it’s more interesting to discuss. And stop minus, work with your head, with your head...
            1. Gari
              0
              9 March 2013 23: 45
              You’re definitely not on friendly terms with your head, all you did was put minuses
              1. kNow
                -5
                9 March 2013 23: 56
                Quote: Gari
                You’re definitely not on friendly terms with your head, all you did was put minuses

                Why are you so quick to resort to insults? count who has more minuses... if you want, I can correct your minuses, I don’t know who put them, I’m not greedy. Don't be afraid laughing I won’t provoke you into insults and run to complain to the admins, like you do...
                1. Gari
                  +1
                  11 March 2013 00: 22
                  Yes, I thought that I was corresponding with a normal and adequate person who is also among your fellow countrymen. But it turned out the other way around, you bothered me with your verbiage and apparently not only me, with your disadvantages
                  One piece of advice, look at youtube.com War - Goranboy battalion
                  Nevzorov filmed by the way, Armenian Soldier Captured an Azerbaijani Tank and much more, war is not about sitting in front of a computer and drinking tea,
                  and then think about whether it’s worth talking about the war at all, much less starting it.
        2. Artmark
          +1
          10 March 2013 01: 32
          Are your people elected? It’s no secret that in Azerbaijan democracy and backgammon elect only Aliyev and no one else! lol stop
        3. gabatikuk
          +2
          10 March 2013 01: 52
          Do you think that your Aliyev was elected by your people???
    2. gabatikuk
      0
      9 March 2013 21: 28
      You have to wait 5000 years, you won’t wait
  45. +3
    9 March 2013 18: 50
    I read it, I thought about it. Our sinful deeds began to resemble something of the Bosnian crisis of 1914. Only in the Caucasus! Only tougher, and God forbid with a nuclear scenario! The war between Azerbaijan and Armenia will begin again. And no matter what, Türkiye will get into the conflict! Concoct your own affairs on the quiet. And its main goal will not be to help fraternal Azerbaijan, but to bring it under its Anschluss(?!) jurisdiction. And try to capture Armenia! And how will Russia remain on the sidelines after this??? The Aliyev family is of Kurdish origin. Therefore, he tries to pursue a balanced policy. How will a pan-Turkist come to power? Azerbaijanis, do not trust Turkey, their goal is to create a new Ottoman Empire!
  46. Husseyn
    -2
    9 March 2013 19: 34
    AlNikolaich, you see, Azerbaijanis visit Turkey more often, they know its value, they see the level and way of life, all this is alien to Azerbaijanis, pan-Turkism and others cannot seduce us, there is no point in labeling us:) It is the Turks who accuse Aliyev of being a Kurd, because he pursues an independent policy, an independent state, and does not sing to the tune of Turkey, or indeed to the tune of Russia. Azerbaijan will never become part of Turkey, just like Russia or Iran. The Turks at one time wanted to physically eliminate the terrible Aliyev, do you think the younger one, his son, has forgotten this?
    Now the Turks are flirting with the Iranian Azerbaijanis, but even if Iran collapses, the southern Azerbaijanis will also not fall under the Ottoman Turks.
  47. gabatikuk
    -1
    10 March 2013 02: 22
    kNow, But to be honest, you are slaves, the only trouble is that you don’t know whose? American-Turkish or Satanic. Introduce yourself decently if you want to be treated that way.
  48. Husseyn
    +2
    10 March 2013 09: 14
    Quote: Gari
    Armenia is not a slave
    I asked the question myself, but didn’t see an answer, at least one good thing comes from bickering - they pay attention to the posts.
    Clearly I used an offensive word, serf, sorry, I’ll put it another way - a dependent and unequal partner.
    Quote: Gari
    Ordinary people have no time for war; rulers, yes, only escalate the atmosphere of cruelty and non-reconciliation
    Who among the ordinary people likes war? It is liked only by those who are a thousand miles from the trenches and profit from it; the rulers are kept in power due to this. It’s just that each of us is a citizen of our own country, when we MUST go and fight. The man is such a brute, he has killed more of his own kind than all the epidemics and natural disasters. The main thing is not to stoop to the level of animals.
    Quote: Gari
    the result is to hack a sleeping man to death just because he is Armenian
    Well, not because ONLY he’s an Armenian, but there’s no need to distort either. Do you want an honest answer? OK.
    I myself will kill anyone who insults my Motherland, people, symbols of the state, uniform - but to kill someone who is sleeping, I agree, is dishonorable. They weren’t sent there to take a language, but to study a language. On the other hand, there is no need to talk about honor when both are good. And the deceased, and his surviving comrade, and the murderer are worth each other.
    Because one side presented the murdered man as an innocent victim, and the other side portrayed the murderer as a hero, one can only judge how besotted the population of both republics is.
    On the other hand, both sides put themselves in a hopeless position, the Armenians declared our idiot an innocent victim, gave him military honors, of course, the Azerbaijanis in response glorified his killer. Both sides have sunk to the point of insanity.
    My personal opinion - both the murdered and the murderer are worthy of condemnation.
    1. Gari
      +1
      11 March 2013 00: 08
      I knew the murdered guy and knew her mother, why are you denigrating him without knowing him, he is a simple guy from a modest, intelligent family in Yerevan, who chose military service, decided to become an officer, this is worthy of condemnation, why is he worth his murderer?
      Where is the logic, who could he offend? A guy who didn’t even fight against Azerbaijan was young, why is he worthy of condemnation?
      Well, the fact that he’s sleeping is a different matter
      1. Yarbay
        0
        11 March 2013 08: 29
        Quote: Gari

        I knew the guy who was killed

        There was no point in him trying to get away with it!!
        He is an enemy, my hand wouldn’t waver either!!
        Quote: Gari
        Where is the logic, who could he offend? A guy who didn’t even fight against Azerbaijan was young, why is he worthy of condemnation?

        ask the dead man!!
        He deserves condemnation for insulting the state symbols of another country, for which he paid!
  49. 120352
    +1
    10 March 2013 09: 57
    Wars are the most senseless crime invented by mankind. Alexander the Great conquered half the world. And where is this empire now? What are the current borders of Greece? What about Napoleon's wars? The ending is the same. What about Hitler's attempt to spread the Third Reich throughout Europe?
    Conclusion: there are no winners in a war, because any victory in a war of conquest sooner or later loses its meaning. But there are numerous victims.
    1. imperiologist
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      11 March 2013 00: 33
      with your logic, Russia would be the size of Poland and to swim in the Black Sea you would have to take a visa from the Ottoman Empire
  50. 0
    11 March 2013 00: 36
    Peace, peace. No war between fraternal republics.
    Moreover, from a purely military point of view, the prospects for the operation in Nagorno-Karabakh are extremely doubtful.
    The theater of operations is painfully unsuitable for large offensive operations. And the terrain is ready for defense. To break through it relatively quickly, you need either very strong aviation, or an army like the one the DPRK has.
    Therefore, dear Armenians and Azerbaijanis, negotiate peacefully!
  51. Husseyn
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    11 March 2013 00: 56
    Quote: 120352
    Wars are the most senseless crime invented by mankind. Alexander the Great conquered half the world. And where is this empire now? What are the current borders of Greece? What about Napoleon's wars? The ending is the same. What about Hitler's attempt to spread the Third Reich throughout Europe?
    Conclusion: there are no winners in a war, because any victory in a war of conquest sooner or later loses its meaning. But there are numerous victims.
    Who would argue...:) Man has created practically nothing from scratch to perfection for the sake of the WORLD. The entire progress of human civilization is the improvement of means of destroying their own kind. The plowshare was not forged into a sword, but vice versa. Each of us wants to be or appear to be a fluffy and affectionate dove of peace :), but we tear each other’s throats with our teeth, and there is not a single people and civilization, both in modern times and in the past, that would live in peace and harmony. Man is the highest creature that crawls on the Earth, but also the most vile. Alas, both you and I :) only our upbringing and level of culture limits us a little - we stopped eating the liver of our enemies, for example :)
    In a war there is always a winner :), the one who got his hands on it, but this is in the short term, in this life, and there He will lose everyone who succeeded in this here.
    There is nothing funnier, for example, than talking about the antiquity of one people, I won’t point a finger, and apparently as a result of this, apparently claiming the right to infringe and oppress another people, but then mentioning God...:))) sorry, but that’s all case came from Adam and Eve, and the confusion of languages ​​and division into nations was nothing more than punishment, not grace :) So why are some descendants of Adam and Eve better than others? :)))...
    Further. Some, being descendants of newcomers, wanted to disconnect by grabbing a piece of someone else's land, although in fact this was an ordinary task - to destroy the USSR, the heir to the Russian Empire (that is, Russian), and the guys were paid. What kind of self-determination is there of the people, or rather of the part of it, which is compared to donkeys by their Yerevan fellow countrymen?!!:) Of the three republics of Transcaucasia, the referendum was boycotted - Georgia and... Armenia:))) only Azerbaijan voted, but in the end it fell under the distribution, that is under someone else's hangover:))) he is bad, and traitors are brothers:) Now Azerbaijan has come to his senses and says to hell with such drinking buddies and older brothers, sort it out among yourselves, but get the hell out of my territory, and bad again:)))
    In short, you can argue as much as you want, mock, practice wit or imbecility, but to be honest, I’m for war, there will be no peace, and I’m tired of the state of neither peace nor war, they are covering up for it and taking advantage of it in both Armenia and Azerbaijan, it’s time to exchange this trump card, and start simply living, building a normal society, including in Armenia. Both states in their current form are wretched, and the peoples have no rights.
  52. vladsolo56
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    11 March 2013 08: 42
    I will not open America if I say that instilling hatred between peoples is a policy, the policy of stupid, underdeveloped leaders. Any conflict must be resolved in terms of education, at least of the generation that has not seen war and has not shed blood. But who needs it? after all, national hatred is a very convenient weapon for the minds of citizens. It’s always easy to blame your own stupid policies on your enemies, if not blame them, then at least distract attention. The most obvious example is the military relations with Germany. We, the generation born after the war, were brought up without hatred of the Germans as a people. Yes, we were taught to hate fascism. but not the Germans as a nation. And here, look, no one cares what kind of person you are, they hate you just because you are an Armenian or, on the contrary, an Azerbaijani. Although it seems to me (I will not say for sure) that hatred is cultivated much more in Azerbaijan than in Armenia.
  53. Yarbay
    +1
    11 March 2013 08: 57
    Quote: vladsolo56
    . Any conflict must be resolved in terms of education, at least of the generation that has not seen war and has not shed blood.


    Well, why don’t you talk about the Second World War like that??
    They would give the fascists the territory of the USSR up to Smolensk!!
    Would you teach children peace with the Nazis!!??
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Although it seems to me (I will not say for sure) that hatred is cultivated much more in Azerbaijan than in Armenia.

    Read the interview with the NKAO commandants!
    There was so much hatred towards us when we didn’t expect it!!
    Massacre of civilians, a million refugees!
    Yes, I hate the enemy and I’m not alone and thank God!!
    Of course, after the occupation, the Armenians want peace, but nothing!!

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