Every vegetable has its fruit or old thoughts about the attack on Kursk region

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Every vegetable has its fruit or old thoughts about the attack on Kursk region


"And today, not everyone can look into tomorrow. Or rather, not only everyone can look. Few can do it."
Vitaliy Klitschko, mayor of Kyiv

I decided to write a short note on the question that is always asked by "our readers" from behind the front line and some of our narrow-minded hurray-patriots in the first comments to the materials published in our publication. It is to them that the epigraph to this material is addressed. The Kiev mayor very accurately expressed the position of some commentators on our articles.



Several times I have read a reproach addressed to me for often mentioning our conscript soldiers who met the Selected Special Operations Forces of Ukraine in the Kursk region and not only stopped them, but were also able to stabilize the situation in the LBS for some time. And yet, I will repeat once again, it was the feat of these soldiers that prevented major problems that could have arisen for us in the event of the success of the Ukrainian operation.

Many of the thoughts I had more than two months ago, I deliberately did not voice then. Simply because it could harm our troops. The enemy knows perfectly well where and how to collect intelligence information. It is movie spies who open safes in enemy headquarters, in life everything is simpler. More than half of the secrets can be learned from the media. These are the thoughts I will voice now.

What the Masters of Ukraine Planned


I have written many times that the West has already formed the opinion that it is impossible to defeat Russia by military means. The war of attrition that Ukraine is waging today is also futile. The Russian military-industrial complex managed to quickly restructure itself and now supplies the army with everything it needs in sufficient quantities.

Unlike the Western military-industrial complex, which will need several years for this. And purchasing ammunition from third countries is just delaying the final collapse of Kyiv. Hence, the search for alternative ways to end military actions has intensified. And in this case, there is only one alternative - negotiations. Consequently, it is necessary to ensure such a position for Kyiv that would allow it to dictate its terms to the enemy.

The invasion of the Ukrainian Armed Forces into the Kursk region is an attempt to create exactly these conditions. Simply put, an attempt to implement a typical bandit scenario. Racketeering at the state level. Incidentally, this is precisely what can explain the behavior of the Ukrainian "military", or rather, war criminals, in the villages and towns of the Kursk region. The task is to intimidate the Russians, to intimidate Moscow.

What were NATO and Ukrainian generals planning? Ukrainian Special Operations Forces break through the border defenses and enter populated areas using heavy equipment. The main forces of the attack rush into the resulting "gap" using heavy equipment. They provide defense of the flanks. The Special Operations Forces continue their offensive on Kurchatov and Kursk.

The main direction of the attack is Kurchatov. The attack on Kursk is of a diversionary nature. The goal is to force the Russians to transfer their main forces to the defense of the regional center and thereby weaken the defense of Kurchatov. The main goal of the entire operation is the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant. Capturing the station and mining it would put Moscow before a choice: either accept Kyiv's conditions or get a second Chernobyl in the Kursk region.

At the same time, the Ukrainian Armed Forces understood perfectly well that the Russians would not strike their own nuclear power plant. This ensured relative safety for the invaders. The rest of the Kursk region, in case of success, would become an "exchange fund" for the territories liberated in Donbass. Those where the main mineral deposits are located...

As you can see, the plan was not bad. Moreover, in my opinion, taking into account the underestimation of the enemy's forces by our command, it was quite feasible. I often write about the good work of our intelligence, but in this case, again in my opinion, the intelligence officers did not calculate the enemy's capabilities. After all, the concentration of the group on the border with the Kursk region had been known for a long time.

Although it is not excluded that the command made mistakes, not paying attention to the intelligence data and incorrectly assessing the offensive potential of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. There is no official data, probably the time has not come yet, and anything can happen in war.

About the feat of those who were the first to stand in the way of the Ukrainian Armed Forces


The first surprise for the Ukrainian Special Operations Forces was the resistance of the Russian army's inexperienced units. Conscripts, local police, border guards - everyone who had weapon, were the first to block the path of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The offensive slowed down. Mobile groups were destroyed right on the roads. I think they haven't forgotten the group of conscripts who fought in the encirclement as a sabotage and reconnaissance group for a whole month, without communications or supplies...

This delay was fatal for the Ukrainian army. The momentum of the offensive was lost, and fresh units stood in the way of the sabotage and reconnaissance groups. What all Telegram channels report on a daily basis began. The systematic destruction of the enemy began. Moreover, the appearance of the 810th Guards Marine Brigade of the Black Sea Fleet on the LBS played a huge role. Experienced and trained fighters stood against the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

I won't talk much about the exploits of this brigade. The media and the Internet talk about it a lot. However, I will express my opinion about the commanders. I probably saw for the first time what I dreamed of. Competent actions, the use of the element of surprise, the calculated "impudence" of actions... A symphony of war performed by virtuosos...

I can write exactly the same comments about another Marine brigade. About the 155th Guards Marine Brigade of the TF. I think I will express the opinion of many experts if I write that the Kursk operation will be included in history Russian army as one of the heroic pages in the history of the Russian marine infantry as a whole.

"Black infantry", already accustomed to winning... I immediately remembered the feat of 23 Pacific Marines near the village of Novodonetskoye. Russian Marines and Ukrainian Marines. The Russians held their positions, destroying 103 "colleagues" from Ukraine. The Marines have developed a good habit... As the Marines' anthem says, "The infantry marches, and its step is firm. And the St. Andrew's flag flutters above us."

Was it possible to complete the task set by the command? Could the Ukrainian Armed Forces have taken the Kursk NPP? Theoretically, yes. Simply by repeating the operation that Russian paratroopers carried out in Gostomel in February-April 2022. Simply put, by throwing 1-2 airborne assault battalions into the territory of Kurchatov.

However, the Ukrainian Armed Forces did not foresee such an option. And there simply aren't that many helicopters and cover aircraft. Nor was a second echelon of the offensive foreseen. The brigades that have been pulled up to the Kursk region now are more of an "ambulance" option than a "treatment". To prolong the life of the "patient", but not to cure him.

Brief conclusions


The operation to seize the Kursk region and the Kursk nuclear power plant has successfully... failed. The euphoria that reigned in Ukraine at the beginning of the offensive has given way to despair. The units participating in this failed offensive are in a "suspended position." They cannot advance further and they cannot retreat either. The Russians control all the retreat routes with their artillery and dronesThe meat grinder is working.

Things are no better on the rest of the combat contact line. Despite the enemy's fierce resistance, the Russian army liberates some settlements almost every day. At the same time, it understands perfectly well that the campaign in the Ukrainian and Western media, spreading information about the weakness of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, is just a trick of Ukrainian propaganda.

I often hear a question that probably worries most Russians today. When will these fascists be driven out of our land? The question is really urgent and requires an answer. I don’t think that our command will drag out its solution. But as for specific deadlines... Alas, but fortunately, our tradition of “liberating by the holiday” has disappeared. This means that everything will depend on the tasks that will be set before our troops.

Once upon a time, an officer I knew used a saying that was incomprehensible to young officers: "Every vegetable has its fruit." A kind of equivalent to the well-known "everything has its time." This is especially true during war. Not everything you know or assume should be brought out into the public sphere. You need to wait until the "fruit" ripens for the "vegetable"...
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  1. -3
    13 October 2024 05: 56
    "Every vegetable has its fruit"

    Someone spotted a fruit that is unripe, unripe,
    They shook the trunk - it fell, fell...

    Source: https://poembook.ru/poem/15320-kto-to-vysmotrel-plod
  2. +47
    13 October 2024 06: 21
    About the feat of those who were the first to stand in the way of the Ukrainian Armed Forces

    Quite a lot has been written about the feat of those who were the first to stand in the way of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
    There is almost nothing about who was responsible for this feat.
    1. -3
      13 October 2024 08: 48
      Although it is not excluded that the command made mistakes, not paying attention to the intelligence data and incorrectly assessing the offensive potential of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. There is no official data, probably the time has not come yet, and anything can happen in war.

      It's not time yet.
      Otherwise, we would end up wasting our energy on searching for a “black cat in a dark room when there isn’t one there.”
      There is almost nothing about who was responsible for this feat.

      I am sure this issue is already being worked on.
      Everyone here would be interested to know this. But at the current stage of the operation, this would undermine the combat capability of our units.
      1. Eug
        +7
        13 October 2024 10: 52
        As for me, on the contrary - if fighters and society see a real fight against unprofessionalism - this will be a very positive factor. But don't swap one thing for another...
        1. 0
          13 October 2024 15: 49
          This is especially evident with General Ivan Popov. He would be useful at the front now.
          There is still no direct evidence of his guilt. And you want to empty the ranks of the top staff without direct evidence?
          Then it can be classified as sabotage.
          1. +1
            14 October 2024 12: 34
            Don't confuse warm with soft. The team of the former Ministry of Defense is trying to remove Popov, the same team that successfully covers up all the morons-commanders.
            1. 0
              14 October 2024 20: 16
              So where am I wrong then?
              You yourself confirmed that I was right.
              1. +1
                14 October 2024 22: 44
                You don't understand what you're wrong about? They took the combat general Popov and removed him from the front and fabricated a case against him because he wouldn't kiss the ass of a reindeer herder.
                Those who screwed up a lot but kissed ass as they should have are still in the ranks and bear no responsibility. The first one should be released and sent to fight. The second ones should be punished for sloppiness, hopeless stupidity and theft. Is that clear?
                1. 0
                  15 October 2024 06: 00
                  You are fixated on this case. I cited it as a fact that shows that there can be special slanders to weaken our Armed Forces. I am sure that our counterintelligence agents are working. Calmly, steadily. But if the guilty ones are fighting well, then touching them for now will be more expensive. Newcomers will have to get into the essence of the situation for several days. They can be decisive.
                  Don't look with a narrow gaze.
      2. +1
        13 October 2024 16: 33
        Quote: B-15
        I am sure this issue is already being worked on.

        The military prosecutor's office is digging there like a subway construction company. If a general was brought in and "restricted" during the SVO with LBS, then here, if necessary, the prosecutors will not "rust". Even prosecutors from non-belligerent districts are sitting on the analysis of materials coming from the SVO. It's just that not all failures in the war contain elements of a crime. We are not dealing with "Basmachi in slippers". And they are provided with all the forces and information resources of NATO in intelligence and counterintelligence. We must soberly take this into account. It is enough to look at the map. In approximately the same forests, also in the summer!!!, in 1942, the Germans hid the 6th Army of Paulus before Operation Blau. And we, in turn, during the entire period of occupation had tens of thousands of partisans in those forests... So concentrating and hiding one or two divisions in dense forests in the middle of summer is not a big problem. Yes, there are reconnaissance resources, but they also have their technical capabilities limits. So I wouldn't rush to scribble accusations against the General Staff. There is a military prosecutor's office. Let it work. It earns its living this way. I don't think there is anyone on the forum who is cooler than them in the area of ​​finding other people's "screw-ups".
        1. +1
          14 October 2024 12: 39
          No. With the modern development of optics, thermal imagers, satellites and drones, you can only miss a brigade in the forest, and as for 1-2 divisions, it’s just ridiculous.
          It's like a security service at its maximum. They pick people off one by one if they really want to, and you claim that 1-2 divisions can be hidden in the forest. Just reading you, you understand that people like that in the army leadership with the thoughts "well, they hid 1-2 divisions in the forest, we looked, nothing terrible happens" are the reason why we are still relatively far from victory.
          1. -1
            14 October 2024 17: 39
            Quote from: newtc7
            People are sought out one by one if there is a strong desire

            How many have you personally found? All summer long, in one region or another, children and adults were lost in the woods and were found only when they themselves contacted searchers. And these are only the media-famous cases. And how many were there that the media did not cover? It seems you only go into the woods for picnics, and then, probably, to places of prepared camps... Oh well... time will pass, everything will be described in historical works and memoirs.
            1. +1
              14 October 2024 22: 49
              Ahaha, when a person has nothing to say, he switches to "you personally", "you seem to be" and so on. Instead of admitting that he blurted out nonsense about 1-2 divisions that can be easily hidden in 2024. And at least not to give an example about the war of 80 years ago. A weak-spirited and mentally weak person, a strong one admits his wrongness. I say that people like you in the army leadership with your type of thinking and psyche are the army's problem.
              1. 0
                15 October 2024 07: 52
                Quote from: newtc7
                when a person has nothing to say, he switches to "you personally"

                The problem is not the experience of 80 years ago, but the reasoning that is not tied to life with a complete lack of personal experience in the things we are talking about. And if you don't agree, then go to Kursk. There is a real shortage of people there today. Your military leadership skills will come in handy... maybe.
                1. 0
                  16 October 2024 17: 43
                  My dear man, military leadership skills are required for a position slightly higher than a senior sergeant, which I am.
                  And you, as I understand it, are a general? Or a colonel? Did you often go on reconnaissance missions? Or maybe you had experience conducting covert operations with 1-2 divisions in the forest, without the enemy detecting you? I suspect none of the above, so your personal experience is unlikely to be greater than mine.
                  Everyone has the right to reason, and those who immediately start shouting “go on a meat attack or shut up” only show the weakness of their minds.
      3. -1
        14 October 2024 12: 33
        What a bunch of crap you have in your head. At this stage, tomorrow, yesterday, at any stage - punishing the guilty would be an excellent motivation for people at the front. People love the truth, people love justice, and people don't like it when they lie day after day, and those who lay down regiments in stupid meaty assaults and fail the defense of an entire region not only continue to serve and have no problems with the law, but also receive all sorts of stars like Heroes of Russia.
  3. +6
    13 October 2024 06: 23
    It is clear to everyone that the Ukrainians on Kursk land could not have fought for long if there had not been supplies of ammunition, fuel, and food from Ukraine. This means that the supply routes must be destroyed. The army of that country is strong, which draws conclusions from what happened.
  4. +14
    13 October 2024 06: 36
    And what conclusions can be drawn after the Ukrainian Armed Forces' invasion of the Kursk region? Only that something similar can happen on any section of the Russian-Ukrainian border...as long as the leaders and executors of the UkrOreikh are alive...
    The operation to seize the Kursk region and the Kursk nuclear power plant has successfully... failed.

    It is too early to say that the Kursk region has been cleared of evil spirits. Of the 28 occupied settlements, 15 have been liberated (according to the Russian Ministry of Defense)!!!
    No conclusions have been drawn and no purge of those guilty of wasting 15 billion rubles on border improvements has been carried out... The consequences of the invasion have not been cleaned up (and how can civilian casualties be assessed?)... There is still a lot of work ahead.
    1. +1
      13 October 2024 06: 53
      Quote: ROSS 42
      There is a lot of work ahead.

      There is so much work that it’s easier not to do it! request
      1. +1
        13 October 2024 09: 14
        Quote from tsvetahaki
        There is so much work that it’s easier not to do it!

        The main thing is not to do monkey work and not to forget about working on mistakes...
        1. 0
          13 October 2024 19: 46
          Quote: ROSS 42
          ...and don't forget to work on your mistakes...

          laughing laughing laughing
          You demand to undermine the foundations - the complete irresponsibility of the aristocracy is the foundation of our society!
    2. +8
      13 October 2024 11: 04
      Quote: ROSS 42
      And what conclusions can be drawn?

      A conclusion that the author has not made either now or before
      The operation to seize the Kursk region and the Kursk nuclear power plant has successfully... failed.

      This goal has not been achieved, it is a fact, but the crossing of the state border by large forces and temporary consolidation in the adjacent territory is also a fact. The Ukrainian forces there are a resource for Western strategists who are currently studying, practicing various scenarios of combat operations, but not on staff exercises and maps, but in real time and in person. If they have worked there, then who knows where else they will risk going, because relations with Finland are strained, and Turkey and Japan are dreaming of where they could actually show their imperial ambitions, and Central Asia is moving away and is sometimes feverish...
      Quote: ROSS 42
      There is a lot of work ahead.

      But here it is difficult to disagree. There is a lot of work and the conclusions must be made accordingly...
  5. +9
    13 October 2024 06: 39
    When will these fascists be driven out of our land? The question is really relevant and requires an answer.

    Ask Gerasimov! He is the main specialist.
    When Gerasimov reported on the battles in the border area and that the enemy would be defeated, I (not an expert) amateurishly assumed that this would probably take about six months. That is, somewhere around January.
  6. +12
    13 October 2024 06: 49
    We have lost the tradition of "freeing for the holiday."
    A hint that they are unlikely to be liberated by November 4 of this year? And there is the autumn thaw, it is unclear what kind of winter it will be, an unpredictable spring next year, and after May 9 everything will dry out and then...? The "fruit" will ripen for the "vegetable" (c)... The author writes about exploits, but not a word about the lives of the evacuees... And about those who could not or did not have time to evacuate...
  7. +8
    13 October 2024 07: 13
    This is always the case with us: the heroism of some is always a consequence of the crime of others.
  8. BAI
    +4
    13 October 2024 07: 27
    1.
    More than half of the secrets can be learned from the media. These are the thoughts I will voice now.

    90%.
    2.
    but in this case, again in my opinion, the scouts did not calculate the enemy's capabilities. After all, the concentration of the group on the border with the Kursk region had been known for a long time.

    The scouts did a good job. Only on their report the higher-ups wrote a resolution: Don't stir up panic! (This was written by war correspondents who can be trusted)
    And the ass, it seems, had reasons - agreements that the hohols wouldn't go there
    1. BAI
      +6
      13 October 2024 07: 35
      And one more thing. It is clear about the heroism of conscripts. It would be good to understand where the 15 billion rubles for strengthening the border of Kursk Oblast went. For comparison - the Yaitsenyukh Wall - 2 billion
      1. +3
        13 October 2024 11: 47
        Can I know the source of your knowledge about 15 billion? Will you give me a link or send me to the Internet? I'd like to know, otherwise it looks more like a sketch. Please forgive me for being so distrustful!
        1. BAI
          -1
          13 October 2024 18: 27
          Can I know the source of your knowledge about 15 billion?

          Besogon Mikhalkova. With demonstration of videos and documents that are not on the Internet.
          And there below a comrade provided information in the comments
        2. 0
          14 October 2024 12: 44
          What exactly don't you believe here? The amount? It's a mere trifle, in one district of Moscow they replace curbs for a large amount a year. That there were no fortifications? There actually were, I spoke to a conscript from there, and he says there were fortifications and good ones, but they weren't in them... but in front of them.
          That is, the classic situation is obvious - chaos, disorganization, and the absence of those guilty and responsible in all matters. So maybe half of the 15 billion was appropriated somewhere and fortifications were built, but there were no people to organize a real defense.
  9. +10
    13 October 2024 08: 22
    But in general the situation shows only one thing, that the forces of the modern Russian army are not enough even to conduct local operations of border conflicts. ABC - containment of the enemy, attack on the flanks with the aim of blocking supply routes and liquidation of the breakthrough. We have "squeezing out". There are no forces left for flank attacks.
    1. 0
      13 October 2024 10: 08
      But the #fat-assed generals had enough strength to steal (another word) 70 percent of the budget and successfully use it for the construction of palaces, expensive #luxuries, a fleet of collectible cars...
    2. +1
      13 October 2024 11: 20
      Quote: Dean
      There is no longer any strength for flank attacks.

      Our generals have no brains for flag strikes. No matter what forces there are, the result will not change.
    3. 0
      14 October 2024 22: 41
      Come on, comrades, armchair experts! Let's remember the month of May and the Kharkov operation! What was that?! And what did the Russian troops want? We will never know what they wanted. A military secret. And what did it happen: on the first day, the troops advanced significantly through fortifications similar to those in the Kursk region. On the second day, resistance began to mount and the movement stopped, and on the third day, the reserves of the Ukrainian Armed Forces arrived and stopped the forward movement. After some time, some troops had to be transferred from the Kursk region to prevent the retreat of our troops in the Kharkov direction. Well, and positional warfare began, including urban fighting in Vovchansk. Why did this happen? The answer floats on the surface, like poop on water - there are no suitable reserves to reinforce the breakthrough, and they were greedy to remove them from the Donbass, although they did add something there later. If they had initially sent more troops, they could have even reached Kupyansk, encircling the Ukrainian Armed Forces that were sitting on the Kupyansk-Russian border line along the Oskol. The lack of military force is clearly visible.
      And in the Kursk direction, the Ukrainian Armed Forces did almost the same thing in a situation of insufficient reserves and stopped in approximately the same way, but advanced further, since our reserves arrived approximately on the 4th day.
      So we see the splendor and poverty of both Russian and Ukrainian troops in the summer campaign, although Russia’s potential is, of course, greater.
      The war of attrition that Ukraine is waging today is also futile. The Russian military-industrial complex managed to quickly restructure itself and now supplies the army with everything it needs in sufficient quantities.

      Does our military-industrial complex supply the troops with everything they need? I really hope so. Most likely, it mostly satisfies their needs.
      War of attrition: As for Ukraine, it is completely dependent on the West. They will finance and supply, and will fight for a long time. They may lower the age of mobilization and another 1-2 million will arrive at the front.
      As for Russia: can we fight for a long time? We have more resources than Ukraine, of course, but fewer and much fewer than the West.
      What is the solution? A powerful nuclear strike. First, on military and infrastructure targets in Western Ukraine, so that NATO countries would shudder with horror. Maybe the radioactive clouds will clear the minds of Russophobes.
  10. +8
    13 October 2024 08: 39
    Author! Your thoughts are clear, logical... Something else is unclear... What kind of General Staff is this that makes such mistakes? Underestimated? And why the hell are they sitting there??? And how long will these "underestimaters" evaluate?
    1. -1
      13 October 2024 10: 09
      And how long will these "underestimators" continue to appreciate?

      While their leader will sit there.
  11. +7
    13 October 2024 08: 47
    The officials of the Russian Ministry of Defense and local authorities stole everything they could from the fortifications, and the General Staff kept a minimum of units in the area because results were needed elsewhere. But who these officials are is a mystery, I hope that investigative actions are underway, this process is not fast, I think over time we will learn a lot of "interesting" things

    Back in the fall of 2022, huge budget funds were actively spent to protect the region from possible aggressive actions from Ukraine.

    In October 2022, the then governor of the Kursk region, Roman Starovoit (who headed the Russian Ministry of Transport in May 2024), publicly announced that two lines of fortifications had been erected in the region bordering Ukraine, and a third defensive line would soon appear.
    Screenshot of Starovoit's post in the fall of 2022

    The enemy was not greatly disturbed by these fortifications. Thousands of citizens were forced to evacuate. About 2 thousand, according to today's Governor Smirnov, are in enemy-occupied territories, and their fate is unknown.

    And what happened to the former Kursk governor Roman Starovoit, who built fortifications using the people's billions? He was recognized as an effective manager. So effective that this spring he joined the Russian government and took the post of Minister of Transport.
    From November 2022 to July 2023, 15 billion rubles were allocated and spent on the construction of fortifications, “which were intended to protect the Kursk residents in the event of an enemy invasion from Ukrainian territory.”

    As local journalists reported, the money went through contractors hired by local budget organizations to “assistant firms” from among companies friendly to the regional governor Roman Starovoit and the regional government prime minister Alexei Smirnov, now the acting governor of the Kursk region.
    The process of constructing defensive lines and concluding contracts with contractors close to local authorities began under the previous head of the region, Roman Starovoit.

    Just as scandals and investigations by security forces began under Starovoit.
    However, even before working in the Kursk region, Roman Starovoit was close to large state construction projects, heading the corruption-prone Rosavtodor and being the Deputy Minister of Transport of Russia.

    Alexey Smirnov, the current acting head of the Kursk region, is also a member of Starovoit's team, having headed the regional government under him
    1. +9
      13 October 2024 10: 13
      So effective that this spring he joined the Russian government and took the position of Minister of Transport.

      Our applause to our effective president. He knows how to select personnel.
      1. +1
        13 October 2024 10: 22
        Quote: Dimy4
        Our applause to our effective president. He knows how to select personnel.

        Unfortunately, the times are gone when "cadres decide everything", the time has come "effective managers". And where was Stalin wrong? The question is rhetorical.
      2. +2
        13 October 2024 11: 12
        Quote: Dimy4
        Our applause goes out to our effective president.

        You wouldn't wish such a president on your worst enemy.
    2. +6
      13 October 2024 11: 26
      Quote: Ascetic
      And what happened to the former Kursk governor Roman Starovoit, who built fortifications using the people's billions? He was recognized as an effective manager.

      Everything you need to know about modern Russia. Cosplay of Russia that we lost at its maximum. Someone wrote that SVO reminds of Soviet-Finnish. Yeah, right. It reminds of Russian-Japanese.
      1. +4
        13 October 2024 11: 41
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        It reminds me of Russian-Japanese.

        You are probably right, I have had similar thoughts too.
      2. 0
        13 October 2024 20: 25
        with much greater losses and destruction
      3. 0
        16 October 2024 13: 27
        Personally, I feel that the situation from November-December 1939 is moving into January 1917, when “no one doubted that there was betrayal at the very top.”
  12. +7
    13 October 2024 08: 53
    In addition to conscripts and so on, it is necessary to mention the decisive role of our aviation in disrupting the enemy's plans. Despite the threat of air defense, losses, bombing and assault strikes inflicted heavy losses, fortunately the flight time from the airfields of Voronezh and Lipetsk is minimal.
  13. +6
    13 October 2024 09: 21
    Another telepath, filming the plans of the Ukrainian Armed Forces directly from the heads of generals.
    Then it's easy to pass it off as a success. Like, these plans were exceeded - so everything is fine.
    And that this contradicts other articles and news... so much the worse for them. People will swallow everything...
  14. +4
    13 October 2024 09: 39
    Every vegetable has its fruit
    A brick floats down the river, wooden like glass...
    It's strange, for the first time I agree with Staver. I think that the main goal of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was Kurchatov, and ideally the positions near Kursk to make a second Donetsk out of it. And again the soldiers' hump is used to correct the headlessness of the stripes.
    I don't agree that the intelligence, at least in this case, worked disgustingly. There is no plan in sight. And where did the respected Alexander get that
    The Russian military-industrial complex managed to quickly restructure itself and now supplies the army with everything it needs in sufficient quantities.
    The pacers blocked the sun for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, each squad had two 5,45 caliber machine guns, and there were already 90 divisions with T-10s?
    Ceterum censeo Washingtago delendam esse
  15. +7
    13 October 2024 09: 42
    I have already written that it is difficult to comment without discrediting the army. Especially when it conducts combat operations as best it can and even above that.
    Briefly. Intelligence, sad. Border guards, sad. Border guards' cover troops (let's remember Damansky) sad. Emergencies Ministry evacuation of the population from the Banderites' advance, sad.
    We have been conducting the SVO for the third year, and Ukraine is maturing and maturing. The state as a whole is functioning. All administrative bodies are working. There are bazaars about how much territory to leave to Ukraine, the descendants of the Banderites who killed people in Babi Yar. Maybe it would be easier to give Western Ukraine to Poland and it would slaughter all the Banderites for that? soldier
    1. 0
      16 October 2024 13: 29
      Maybe it would be easier to give Western Ukraine to Poland and for that it would slaughter all the Banderites itself?

      Yes, yes, and he will place American nuclear batons in the liberated territories.
  16. +3
    13 October 2024 10: 06
    Regarding the landing on the Kursk NPP - perhaps the idea was worked out, but most likely there simply weren't enough transport helicopters. Judging by what's written in the news, the Ukrainians use transport Mi-8s as combat helicopters, firing NURSs from a pitched position. But sooner or later they were knocked out, + waste of resources.
  17. +3
    13 October 2024 10: 11
    what would we do without Skoromohov and Staver.... when do you plan to raise the Victory flag over Brussels? and over Washington? I don't even ask about Kyiv - it will definitely be there any day now
  18. +1
    13 October 2024 12: 49
    The Kursk operation is part of the US/UK war to destroy Russia, and it must be viewed in that context.
    The war between Ukraine and Russia/Russia's war with Ukraine sits, like a fuse, inside this real and actual war.
    The fuse designer is USA/UK.
    In this big European war, the Kursk operation is their first foothold on Russian territory, targeting the Kursk NPP. The capture of the NPP opens the possibility of nuclear blackmail against Russia in this big war, with the aim of neutralizing our possible nuclear threats to the US/UK - the only thing that can ruin their plan now.
    You have to wait until the "fruit" for the "vegetable" ripens...

    Ukraine is now part of NATO's reservoir of manpower. The US/UK can allocate ANY forces across its border to seize the Kursk NPP. True, for now - under the signboard of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but what difference does it make to us?
    Who among us is waiting for this “fruit”?
    1. 0
      16 October 2024 13: 32
      I have already written, I will repeat. In the interests of the Anglo-Saxons, the destruction of Russians is being carried out by the hands of the Russians themselves and the Ukrainians. At the same time, Europe is being greatly weakened and - by humiliating the European market - China.
      1. 0
        16 October 2024 13: 39
        In the interests of the Anglo-Saxons, the destruction of Russians is taking place at the hands of Russians and Ukrainians themselves.

        Unfortunately, this is only the beginning. Already now, combined units from the Ukrainian Armed Forces and NATO are fighting near Kursk. They are not going to stop. By taking the Kursk NPP, they will neutralize potential threats from nuclear weapons against them, after which they will be able to officially start a war between NATO and Japan and us. On old and new fronts.
        1. 0
          16 October 2024 13: 48
          Everyone has laughed at the "red lines"; they don't want to believe in the use of nuclear weapons - and they have plenty of reasons for this; and without nuclear weapons we have nothing to catch. If another situation is revealed in the nuclear sphere, like in other military places - stop the Earth, I'll get off (( ...
  19. -4
    13 October 2024 13: 30
    If the enemy units in occupied Kursk neither can advance further nor retreat beyond our borders, then how are they supplied? Probably the situation there is much complicated and the "fruits" will be late.As long as Russian territory is under Ukraine occupation hardly can we speak of progress of SVO in the eastern front.
  20. +7
    13 October 2024 18: 03
    "and now supplies the army with everything it needs in sufficient quantities."
    You know, when Iran and the DPRK are all over the world with their hands outstretched, it's hard to believe that we have everything we need. We are convinced that there are almost 10 times more shells, tanks, planes, and missiles than Ukraine. Then the question is: "Why aren't we at the Polish border yet, or at least at Transnistria? You see that someone is lying or this is a complete SVO deal. Don't go there, don't go here.
    "On the feat of those who were the first to stand in the way of the Armed Forces of Ukraine"
    You know, when they talk about hundreds of prisoners, and then exchange them, somehow the feat and captivity don't fit together. And it turns out, an owl on a globe. I talked, they told me, plus social networks. We didn't have troops in the Kursk region! No, of course there were, those who were prisoners and of course a few real heroes who fought to the end. But, as one officer said: "They could have walked to the nuclear power plant 10 times, there and back, and no one would have stopped them. It's very strange, really."
    "The Russian army liberates some settlements almost every day."
    Over the last 2 months, the Russian army has captured about 700 square kilometers, which is about 3 times more than in June and July. However, to liberate the Donetsk region, it is necessary to take control of another 10 thousand square kilometers. Do the math yourself.
  21. +1
    14 October 2024 00: 02
    We can already hear timid voices that the fortifications were decent. It's just that not everyone held the line. Some managed to hold out for more than a month behind enemy lines. And some redeployed on the very first day. Two hundred of our prisoners were exchanged in two batches, and how many did the Ukrainians capture in the first day of the offensive? But it's not for us to judge them, we're just typing here... Conscripts are conscripts, but until the professional brigades arrived, the front was cracking.
  22. +2
    14 October 2024 01: 18
    Well noted about traditions
    ..traditions of lying and betraying..
  23. +2
    14 October 2024 11: 05
    "Anything can happen in war..."
    Is this an excuse that they ineptly missed the preparation and offensive of the Ukrainian fascists?! That conscripts and border guards resisted the superior forces of the Special Operations Forces? That they shot civilians and drove them to their Reich, like in the Great Patriotic War?
    Each error has a last name and a job title. However, not a single last name is announced.
    Everything is as usual - victory has many fathers, defeat is always an orphan.
  24. +3
    14 October 2024 11: 05
    The Ukrainian Armed Forces will leave Kursk Oblast sooner or later, the Ukrainian authorities have spoken about this from the very beginning. We will push them out of there - but the shame will remain.

    The heroism of our soldiers, as is almost always the case, is a consequence of the stupidity of their commanders.
    1. 0
      16 October 2024 13: 36
      By the way. Why are we only talking about SQUEEZING OUT? The normal thing would be "cut off from the border, encircle and destroy". A hint at another deal?
  25. 0
    14 October 2024 13: 26
    Quote from: newtc7
    No. With the modern development of optics, thermal imagers, satellites and drones, you can only miss a brigade in the forest, and as for 1-2 divisions, it’s just ridiculous.
    It's like security at its maximum. They pick people off one by one if they really want to, and you claim that you can hide 1-2 divisions in the forest.


    Yes, yes. There are countermeasures against everything. Against reconnaissance drones - electronic warfare and air defense systems, against thermal imagers - special fabrics, there are camouflage nets and much more. In a sufficiently large and dense "greenery" you can hide a couple of brigades, and when these brigades recapture the bridgehead, you can send reinforcements. The Ukies have been preparing this operation for a long time, this is the very same "Counteroffensive-2" that Zelensky was talking about six months ago. Of course, they used the best that the West gave (including professional mercenaries) ... actually, I myself expected something similar, but I thought that the Ukies would start a month or two later (closer to the elections in the USA). To create a sufficiently dense defense (which would completely exclude the possibility of such breakthroughs) along the entire length of the common border in the current conditions is unrealistic, so, alas, a repeat is possible on other sections of the border ...
    1. 0
      14 October 2024 17: 23
      It is hardly realistic to create a sufficiently dense defense (which would completely eliminate the possibility of such breakthroughs) along the entire length of the common border under current conditions, so, alas, a repetition is also possible on other sections of the border...


      Defense is not allowed, but reserves are possible and necessary.
    2. 0
      16 October 2024 13: 38
      And did the Ukrainians teleport to the "large and dense green area"?
      It's just that either the intelligence isn't looking at sufficient depth, or it's looking in the other direction, or they're not being heard/they don't want to hear it((((((
  26. +1
    14 October 2024 20: 21
    Quote: "The Russian military-industrial complex managed to quickly restructure itself and now supplies the army with everything it needs in sufficient quantities."
    ...But for some reason, citizens collect money and use it to buy ammunition for soldiers fighting in the North-Eastern Military District.
  27. 0
    14 October 2024 23: 58
    The conscripts and border guards, of course, did what they could, and played their heroic and often tragic role.
    But in the first days of the invasion, a huge role was played by our pilots, vertical and assault, who almost continuously, in conditions of very dense air defense, mowed down the armored vehicles of the advancing enemy brigades - tanks, armored personnel carriers and MRAPs, artillery systems, Chimeras and Irises, rear columns of reinforcements and supplies.
    Thanks to this, although not without losses on our side, the striking potential of the enemy group was at least halved.
    So both the most experienced pilots (and there are no others for a long time), and conscripts, who, supposedly, cannot be trusted with anything heavier than a spoon, found themselves in the same business of defending Russia. Even in spite of the incomprehensible course about "real" soldiers and some "inferior" ones, promoted for no apparent reason.
    "A soldier is always a soldier" - as one song from the last century sang. That's how it should be.
    A conscript, a reservist, a reserve soldier, a career soldier - a Warrior, that's the main thing that needs to be developed and educated from a young age.
  28. 0
    15 October 2024 13: 14
    Quote: S.Z.
    Defense is not allowed, but reserves are possible and necessary.


    There are reserves, but they cannot be used now. We must also consider the worst-case scenario - direct intervention in the conflict by one (or several) NATO countries. The probability is low, but the option of the armies of Poland (and the Baltic countries) finding themselves on the LBS is not completely excluded. And, in particular, the presence of sufficient reserves on the Russian side makes such a scenario unlikely.
  29. 0
    15 October 2024 14: 37
    The Kursk epic shows the tragic nature of this war. Neither side can achieve a decisive victory. The end result is average, which does not satisfy anyone.
  30. 0
    15 October 2024 21: 16
    Just a question to the author (whom I respect, by the way). How are conscripts (in Kursk Oblast) different from the boys at "Damansky", in "Afghan", in "Chechnya". We took the oath. I did it twice. Of loyalty to the people of the Great Union, and of loyalty to the People of the DPR. Believe me, I don't think I betrayed the Oath.
  31. +1
    15 October 2024 22: 50
    For the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff, this is one of the most
    shameful moments of the SVO when the Ukrainian Armed Forces were allowed to break through into the territory of the Kursk region.
    In a few days, the enemy captured more than 900 square kilometers of Russian territory, which is more than Russia gained in Ukraine during the three months of the summer offensive....
    Criminal facts of theft during the construction of defensive structures on the border of the Kursk region were concealed, which was possible due to the complete lack of control on the part of the Russian Ministry of Defense.
    The General Staff's criminal disregard for intelligence data on the concentration of significant Ukrainian Armed Forces forces right on the border of the Kursk region was revealed.

    For the third month, thousands of Russian citizens have been under occupation, and the press only throws up "hot facts" about abuses of civilians and prisoners in the Kursk region captured by the enemy.
    And the "guarantor" is still in no hurry and continues his journey through different countries.....
    1. +1
      16 October 2024 13: 42
      1) Everything is going according to plan.
      2) If it seems to you that something is not going according to plan, then the plans of the "guarantor" are inscrutable.
  32. +2
    16 October 2024 10: 15
    I have written many times that the West has already formed the opinion that it is impossible to defeat Russia by military means.

    The phrase "We haven't even started yet" is more applicable to the West. They realized that they can't win with the forces of a puppet state, but in a direct confrontation? And they are preparing now.
    The Russian military-industrial complex managed to quickly restructure itself and now supplies the army with everything it needs in sufficient quantities.

    Are you talking about the Korean shells that the guys are finishing up so that they fit into the barrel?
    Or about Chinese jeeps? Aaaah, you mean drones, which the whole country assembles bit by bit, together with thermal imagers.
    The operation to seize the Kursk region and the Kursk nuclear power plant was successful...

    It has been done. There is a ledge, part of the territory is under control, there is footage of the local population being brought out under the guns.
    Ukraine does not strive for peace by seizing something for bargaining. It simply continues its agony on orders from the West. It wears down our troops, forces us to strain ourselves economically. And all this is so that it would be easier for the West to fight us later. That's what's against the opponent. Now against us.
    1) Honor and glory to the border guards! There were a number of units behind them that simply ran away. Now one person is sorting it all out and trying to hide the awl in a sack so as not to lose his prestige.
    2) NGSh - ... He is the head, he is the one to answer.
    3) Our entire leadership, all our guarantors and other authorities have not commented in any way on the withdrawal of OUR CITIZENS UNDER THE GUN BAR! A disgrace and a disgrace. Some people simply have no conscience.
    1. +1
      16 October 2024 13: 44
      404 is still not recognized as a terrorist state even in the Russian Federation. Otherwise, how can we conduct conversation and then bleat for the hundredth time "we were deceived."