Special Operations Forces will soon appear in Russia

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The Russian military has begun to form the Special Operations Forces and has even created the necessary command. A similar statement was made the other day by the Chief of the General Staff, Army General V. Gerasimov.

He noted that such a decision was made after a detailed study of the practice of formation, the process of preparing and using special operations forces by leading states of the world. The general added that the Ministry of Defense is thinking about the formation of several units that will take part in resolving conflicts outside the Russian state within the framework of United Nations activities.

Recall that participation in solving problems within the UN is provided for by a system of reserve agreements, according to which Russia, if necessary, must provide a hospital, aviation group and engineering company. According to Gerasimov, such units will be formed as necessary, and then will be sent to conflict zones in accordance with the norms of the Russian legislative system. The Chief of the General Staff also added that peacekeeping is one of the most important tasks of the military department. A striking example of this is the creation of the 15th separate motorized rifle brigade in Samara, which is entrusted with the performance of peacekeeping functions as part of the relevant units within the CSTO. The training of the military personnel of this brigade is taking into account the specific features of the implementation of peacekeeping tasks: knowledge of international law, especially the use of military force to breed the opposing sides.

According to V. Gerasimov, the increasing role of special operations forces is explained by the experience of military conflicts of the new century. At present, a command has been created in Russia entrusted with the functions of carrying out the planned work and activities of the army training plan. Moreover, a package of necessary guidance documents has been developed, which determine the main directions of development, methods and methods for preparing and using special forces. According to official information, the command of the special operations forces was supposed to subordinate the special purpose brigade of one of the military districts, the Senezh special purpose center, the helicopter squadron (Torzhok), as well as the IL-76 squadron deployed near Tver.

It should be noted that the reform of the Russian Armed Forces and the creation of their SSO was justified by military experts as early as 2008, when the idea of ​​creating a single command center for Russian special units emerged. At the same time, an action plan was developed, presented to A. Serdyukov, then Minister of Defense. But he expressed confidence that the initiative was inappropriate.

However, when Serdyukov took the place of S.Shoigu, and also because of the information that the United States intends to increase the number of secret special operations outside its territories several times, the Russian military again turned to the idea of ​​forming a command of special operations forces. Together with the officers from the GRU, the specialists of the General Staff presented a project for the creation of special operations forces to the new minister, and Shoigu supported this initiative.

In the opinion of the chief editor of the National Defense publication Igor Korotchenko, Russia follows the channel of the most important trends in military construction. He notes that special operations forces, judging by the name, are an association of those special units that are used to carry out the relevant special operations. All of them have a diverse nature: in addition to the fight against terrorism, this includes the destruction of the main enemy objects in a real armed conflict, as well as blocking threats that may be relevant in a specific period of time. Korochenko also expressed confidence that special operations forces in the country are being created, by and large, because of the situation that currently exists in Afghanistan. It is possible that the use of special forces will become necessary in the coming years due to the destabilization of the situation in the region. For Russia, it is very important to have such a force, with the help of which it will be possible to quickly conduct an operation and eliminate the danger at the initial stage.

In addition, I. Korotchenko notes, the use of special operations forces may become a necessity if the interests of the state are protected in remote geographic zones of combat operations. In particular, we are talking about the possibility of countering pirates when trying to seize Russian passenger or merchant ships, promptly respond to possible threats posed by the threat of the taking of hostages - Russian citizens, or deal a powerful blow to the bases of international terrorism in various regions of the world, where there are threats to national Russian interests.

In addition, according to Korotchenko, the fact that the Chief of General Staff warned that special operations forces would be created as an independent command in the structure of the army indicates that the Russian government does not intend to conceal the presence of such forces from anyone. . Therefore, no one should be afraid of such decisions by the Russian military, although it is possible that in some European countries the assertion about the emergence of the Russian military threat will begin again.

Igor Korotchenko commented on the creation of the command of special operations forces. According to him, in Russia there are special forces in the structure of the airborne assault and in other types of troops. However, the problem was that the command of these units was decentralized. At the moment we are talking about the creation of a unified centralized command, which will control all special forces units in the structure of the Russian army. A single command, according to the expert, should increase the effectiveness of the use of special forces, because they can act on a single plan. In addition, they will become more mobile and will act more hidden. But for this, it is necessary to provide special units with military transport aircraft for expeditious transportation to the necessary zone of conflict, reconnaissance support.

Therefore, it is the structure of the General Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff, which includes strategic intelligence, space reconnaissance, and electronic reconnaissance, which will make it possible to use the full potential for the successful accomplishment of the tasks assigned by the special units.

Note that the command of special operations forces exist in many countries around the world. One of the most famous is the American command USSOCOM, created back in 1987 year. This is one of the combat commands that exist in the structure of the American Armed Forces. Special forces of the ground forces, naval and air forces, as well as marines are under his control. Prior to the 11 tragedy of September, the command was mainly engaged in supporting the actions of special forces in zones of armed conflict, and also helped in solving the tasks assigned to US embassies and other government services outside the state. Starting from 2001, the command also took over the functions of combating international terrorism. Command special forces in the United States has about 58 thousands of people. At the same time about 85 percent of all military personnel who serve in units abroad, are located in the Middle East.

In Canada, there is also command of special operations forces. It was formed in 2006 year. Its functions include conducting anti-terrorist operations. The command structure includes a joint task force JTF2, 427-I squadron for special operations, as well as the Canadian Special Forces Regiment.

There is a Special Operations Forces Command in Germany. There the division of special operations was created on the basis of the paratroop battalion. The main shock force is three special-purpose companies, as well as two reconnaissance companies.

In France, Special Operations Forces Command was created in 1992 year. He controlled all divisions, detachments and special-purpose units that were engaged in the performance of the most important tasks outside the state. Later, the tasks of command included the fight against terrorism.

Based on the above, the creation of command and deployment of the SSO on a unified basis in Russia is not just another whim of the military, but simply a vital necessity.

Materials used:
http://www.newsru.com/russia/06mar2013/minob.html
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%EE%EC%E0%ED%E4%EE%E2%E0%ED%E8%E5_%F1%EF%E5%F6%E8%E0%EB%FC%ED%FB%F5_%EE%EF%E5%F0%E0%F6%E8%E9_%D1%D8%C0
http://spec-naz.org/preparation/istoriya_vdv_i_spetsnaza_gru_gsh_mo/chasti_i_podrazdeleniya_specialnogo_naznacheniya_gru/
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  1. fenix57
    +15
    9 March 2013 08: 41
    , Forces of special operations - it was possible not to shout about it. The thing is necessary, but publicity is not needed. hi
    1. +3
      9 March 2013 16: 33
      Secret secrecy)
      1. opkozak
        +1
        9 March 2013 23: 40
        What, once, smart people were !!!
        With the existence of end-to-end censorship, they sang:
        " And we are off the curve
        never turn back
        but it will be necessary again
        let's go crooked
        ".
        Straight Nostradamus, however!
    2. yak69
      0
      10 March 2013 23: 55
      The same Colonel Kvachkov has already spoken about these forces and their urgent need for 10 years at all angles - THEY ARE REALLY REQUIRED TO US! Well, here, the big commanders heard ...
      And "Senezh" itself was created under the Stouretkin of the best soldiers of the GRU special brigades.
  2. +12
    9 March 2013 08: 55
    Special operations forces have long been successfully operating in almost all developed countries. This is a separate structure, with its financing, status, separate subordination directly to the Minister of Defense and the country's leadership, respectively, with separate logistics, aviation and special weapons. In Russia, the MTRs were going to create as a separate kind of troops on the basis of the GRU special forces center in the Moscow region, reporting directly to the chief of the General Staff and the Minister of Defense. The leadership of the country and the military department welcomed the idea, budgeting was in progress, but everything was stalled due to personnel policy. Sensing the smell of the opportunity to take a good place in the new structure, everyone who could could rush to the MTR.
    1. -4
      9 March 2013 21: 33
      Quote: 53-Sciborskiy
      Special operations forces have long been successfully operating in almost all developed countries


      MTR of Russia - it would not hurt to contact our airsoft players, if only as a saving.
      1. +3
        9 March 2013 21: 36
        Quote: Karlsonn

        MTR of Russia - it would not hurt to contact our airsoft players, if only as a saving.

        Yeah, terrorists will learn to smear you with paint. wink
        1. +2
          9 March 2013 22: 24
          Quote: Allex28
          Yeah, terrorists will learn to smear you with paint.


          No, we are not experiencing airsoft illusions!
          but airsoft is a very expensive hobby, that's why I responsibly say that the MTR of Russia is better to turn to us - airsoft players, because we experience uniforms and equipment before it enters the troops, we can really help!


          Quote: Allex28
          Yeah, terrorists will learn to smear you with paint.


          The NVD, which will arrive in a couple of years in the American troops, is already in Kiev; an airsoft player from our party bought it from an egghead, from a silica valley, for 40 bucks fellow"plays" in it for almost two years, --- tell me about the paint laughing , and personally, I think:
          - the men defending the Motherland will be interested in what we, the airsoft players, think about the "Haik" footwear, Chinese collimators and replicas of the form.
          1. +9
            10 March 2013 00: 31
            The idea is not without meaning. But I believe that MTR training should be carried out by professionals with combat experience, of whom there are plenty of us and still practicing - military experts in training the Syrian army. And you can develop knowledge through the cooperation of airsoft players with new technologies - here; http://topwar.ru/6840-rossiyskaya-armiya-vooruzhilas-nemeckimi-lazerami.html
        2. sania0413
          +2
          10 March 2013 12: 49
          airsoft players do not smear with paint. So, for information ...
      2. +6
        10 March 2013 00: 04
        Do not confuse your games with real databases
        1. +1
          10 March 2013 00: 15
          Quote: voronov

          Do not confuse your games with real databases


          in the last "merrymaking" in which I took part - were organized by the captain of the USSR "Afghan" - can you tell him about what kind of amateurs we are?
          1. +6
            10 March 2013 00: 22
            Quote: Karlsonn
            in the last "merrymaking" in which I took part - were organized by the captain of the USSR "Afghan" - can you tell him about what kind of amateurs we are?
            Twice on the strike my opinion was certainly interesting, but there’s nothing to do with reality, the most important thing is NOT FEAR, you know that nothing will happen to you, just a little bit of a wava.
            1. 0
              10 March 2013 01: 08
              Quote: Allex28
              Twice on the strike my opinion was certainly interesting, but there’s nothing to do with reality, the most important thing is NOT FEAR, you know that nothing will happen to you, just a little bit of a wava.


              twice a week we train to storm the building - how much training do you devote time to?
              1. +2
                10 March 2013 01: 39
                Quote: Karlsonn
                twice a week we train to storm the building - how much training do you devote time to?
                I don’t storm the buildings, but I go to the stand regularly.
                1. +1
                  10 March 2013 01: 59
                  Quote: Allex28
                  I don’t storm the buildings, but I go to the stand regularly.


                  what is your walkie talkie
            2. +9
              10 March 2013 01: 24
              Supplementing from life: they prepared for Chechnya for the 1 company. We all had a cool, lazy attitude to the exercises and thought that the officers decided to torture us as always. Seeing such a major who visited in hot spots broke us on the 2 chain, one lay down and conditionally repulsed the attack of the other chain, then back (and we were engaged in full calculation: in armor plates, helmets, assault rifles, of course, without cartridges, etc.) So when Seeing on a fly the soldiers running at you even with dashes and when you can fill up 5 once, because he can hardly get up, barely runs over and falls neatly, you begin to see clearly! And then, having exchanged places, you are already trying to do it quickly, but you still get losses. You come to the conclusion that you need to carefully follow the instructions of the instructors, they have experience and will not be advised of bad things. So at least at the initial level, you can play it, so to speak. And if you really need fear, so please fix the skills on a voluntary basis in the Syrian army, volunteers are already there.
              1. 0
                10 March 2013 01: 35
                Quote: elmi
                Supplement from life: prepared for Chechnya for 1 company. We all had a cool, lazy attitude to the exercises, we thought that the officers decided to torture us as always


                for the Russian army - we "airsoft players" can say what to take and what not.
                1. +6
                  10 March 2013 02: 01
                  Everyone agrees with their own experience, but still you dress and equip yourself according to the rules of different countries: American, Canadian, German, etc. and the heyday of camouflage and so on is formed on the basis of the experience of military operations. So in the first place they will listen to the advice of military experts, a soldier who sniffed gunpowder.
                  1. 0
                    10 March 2013 02: 16
                    Quote: elmi
                    everyone has their own experience, but nevertheless you dress and equip according to the rules of different countries: American, Canadian, German, etc. and the heyday of camouflage and so on is formed based on the experience of military operations.


                    we can say what is worth buying and what is not.


                    Quote: elmi
                    So in the first place they will listen to the advice of military experts, a soldier who sniffed gunpowder.


                    What do you think is our advice on NVD?
                    1. +5
                      10 March 2013 02: 31
                      NVD has long been used, so the advice is not applicable since it is already in the kits. We had NSPU, if only there were thermal imaging sights! it would be great
                      1. 0
                        10 March 2013 02: 53
                        Quote: elmi

                        NVD has been used for a long time, so the advice is not applicable since it is already in the kits


                        we can say what is worth buying from gore-tex, where the membrane is fig, which collimators are worth taking and which not, we can tell you where and how to get a non-burning multilock for ridiculous money, but as practice shows, the advice of "airsoft players" is not are needed.
                      2. Misantrop
                        +3
                        10 March 2013 03: 01
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        As practice shows, the advice of "airsoft players" is not needed by anyone.
                        Now, if you advised how to take it cheaper and with a good rollback ... it would be VERY interested in the supply chain. laughing And so they themselves in this outfit in the mountains under the bullets do not run ... winked
                      3. +7
                        10 March 2013 07: 07
                        In the last lines of your post, you draw the right conclusions - mind your own business, and specialists will do theirs. Enough for the "cook to run the state." Your advice may help the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The RF Armed Forces have more trained specialists than you and your captain (with respect to the captain).
                      4. Yarbay
                        0
                        10 March 2013 16: 44
                        Quote: Reserve lieutenant colonel
                        The RF Armed Forces have a more trained specialist than you and your captain (with respect to the captain).

                        But how about Yudashkin’s uniform? !! ??
                        And what did you dislike about Carlson, that you were respected?
                        Your rank is less than your captain ??
                        Do you personally know him ??
                        Believe me, Carlson deserves respect for his captain not less than that captain !!!!
                      5. FOX.
                        0
                        10 March 2013 17: 11
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Believe me, Carlson deserves respect for his captain not less than that captain !!!!

                        Are you licking a new "ally" for yourself? Do we still have visitors on our site who do not know you?
                      6. FOX.
                        +1
                        10 March 2013 17: 33
                        Yarbay
                        Cheap show off! Hid in the black list? So sit there ... am
                      7. Alex_g23r
                        0
                        11 March 2013 03: 20
                        But how to be unregistered users (, they do not hide the comments of some annoying commentators.
                      8. 0
                        11 March 2013 03: 16
                        To forum users I respect everyone. To the warriors of the forum - as companions (in the broad sense of the word) with special respect. I do not know Carlson personally. I don’t want to find out personally.
                        Those "uchudians" who, under the name of Yudashkin, sewed frankly - but they shake out potihoniko from the responsible structures. I personally treat Yudashkin as a person and a fashion designer - but I shouldn't have involved civilian fashion designers in the development of purely specific clothes.
                        And about the merits to your country - love YOUR homeland and do not offer it to love me.
                      9. Yarbay
                        -2
                        11 March 2013 07: 53
                        Quote: Reserve lieutenant colonel
                        I don’t want to know personally


                        Your business, but I consider it an honor to get to know him!
                        Quote: Reserve lieutenant colonel
                        I treat Yudashkin as a person and a fashion designer exactly - but civilian fashion designers should not be involved in the development of purely specific clothes.

                        I don’t know whether you read or not Yudashkin’s interview, which was confirmed in the Ministry of Defense, that all the materials recommended by the designer were replaced by cheaper ones in the military department ??
                        And in general, your * experienced * representatives of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation attracted him to please VGK, and then to cut everything as conveniently !!
                        Quote: Reserve lieutenant colonel
                        And about the merits to your country - love YOUR homeland and do not offer it to love me.
                        I talked about the merits of Carlson to our former common homeland and about your homeland !!
                        Since I know Carlson for a long time and quite well!
                        And as for me, do not worry for your Fatherland, I will tear the Adam's apple to the enemy!
                2. Alex_g23r
                  +1
                  11 March 2013 03: 00
                  Yudashkin already attracted, let's now attract airsoft players. And really, why attract existing employees?
          2. 0
            10 March 2013 18: 29
            Karlsonn,
            "Captain of the USSR" Afganets "??? do similar titles exist in your war games? laughing
            1. +2
              11 March 2013 03: 22
              In general, flightball players are interested in what they are trying to "get" with in everyday life. And they believe that the rest of the population of our country has no "experience", and it is necessary to teach it like small children a special airball (excuse me if I wrote it correctly) wisdom. I have nothing against airsoft as a game, there is something you can take for the initial training of the young replenishment to save ammunition (because even a blank shot and a cartridge are much more expensive than a ball of paint). But advising instruments and devices for BATTLE in the choice of weapons is unnecessary.
      3. 0
        10 March 2013 21: 48
        buddy serve at least, and then offer!
  3. page
    +4
    9 March 2013 08: 58
    at last
  4. +18
    9 March 2013 09: 00
    Additional information on this topic:
    http://vz.ru/society/2013/3/6/623330.html
    The initiative itself is good, necessary. But it’s not very clear why the news passed that neither the Airborne Forces nor the GRU special forces are suitable for the role of a participant in the new MTRs.
    In general, there are too many "special forces". Unless the wipers have yet. Popular brand or something else?
    1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      +1
      9 March 2013 21: 59
      Good comment plus .....
    2. Misantrop
      0
      10 March 2013 12: 14
      Quote: erased
      But it’s not very clear why the news passed that neither the Airborne Forces nor the GRU special forces are suitable for the role of a participant in the new MTRs.

      What is incomprehensible here? These structures already have their own command. And without a scandal you can’t replace him with your own wink
  5. +5
    9 March 2013 09: 09
    From scratch create. It can be seen that everything was eliminated under Serdyukov. It’s good that we quickly realized it. Yes, and the publicity was thought out to some extent - to let both our friends and strangers understand ...
  6. Serdykov
    +8
    9 March 2013 09: 28
    It can be seen that everything was eliminated under Yeltsin.
    1. 0
      9 March 2013 15: 57
      + For courage, but for nickname you can and minus. Did not set
    2. +1
      9 March 2013 21: 37
      Quote: Serdykov
      It can be seen that everything was eliminated under Yeltsin.


      you still don’t know what Kravchuk am
  7. DDR
    +2
    9 March 2013 09: 54
    It was high time to create! And also in the structure of the MTR to create a subdivision of counteraction of the MTR "minke" so that they do not feel at ease.
  8. Shooter308ful
    +2
    9 March 2013 10: 19
    Late with the creation of the MTR, but better late than never. There was no political will, and now, when Russia will defend its interests and, preferably, away from our borders, a political will has immediately appeared for that. Now go guys !!!
    1. +7
      9 March 2013 11: 22
      Hard to believe. Kvachkov fought for their creation. And where is he now.
      1. RAMBO
        +3
        9 March 2013 12: 13
        Yes, it seems like another chatter, all this was calculated under the comrades, they silently increased their special forces, by the end of the last 80 years they numbered 30000 people, highly trained military specialists. The USA currently has 50000 and continues to build them up. Let's see how these conversations end here what
    2. Grey74
      -8
      9 March 2013 12: 11
      Yeah. Manned with conscripts and go guys !!! Get up, go and die. The idea is necessary, the main thing is that as always it would not work!
      1. -1
        9 March 2013 14: 23
        protest in posts - it's so fashionable
      2. -5
        9 March 2013 16: 02
        The main thing is that it would sound loud. Like for example the 2nd shock. We have it everywhere, there are only special forces around. For this, there was Pennant.
  9. in reserve
    -9
    9 March 2013 12: 04
    Again a tribute to fashion.
    1. in reserve
      +6
      9 March 2013 16: 16
      Valery Boval dreamed, he thinks everything will be built as in the states. We always have everything through jo ....... It was just necessary to restore the GRU special forces. not copy from tracing paper.
      1. +1
        9 March 2013 21: 44
        Quote: in stock
        Valery Boval dreamed, he thinks everything will be built as in the states. We always have everything through jo ....... It was just necessary to restore the GRU special forces. not copy from tracing paper.


        Question to MEGAEXPERT:
        - Where is the Kalash's pencil case?
        1. +4
          9 March 2013 21: 48
          Quote: Karlsonn
          - Where is the Kalash's pencil case?
          You, that you are asking this question to everyone (this is not the first time I've been reading), it seems that you yourself recently learned. wink
          1. +1
            9 March 2013 22: 30
            Quote: Allex28
            You, that you are asking this question to everyone (this is not the first time I've been reading), it seems that you yourself recently learned.


            dear friend, where I learned the pencil case from "AK" in 1980, at the shooting ranges of a military, Soviet base, on the border with China - (not far from the city of Belogorsk), I THEN WAS 4 YEARS FROM BIRTH.


            Quote: Allex28
            , the impression that you yourself recently learned.


            Well, if you are so erudite, then name the second step in the assembly "AK"
            1. +2
              9 March 2013 23: 00
              Karlson it depends on what assembly you mean.

              Quote: Karlsonn


              dear friend, where I learned the pencil case from "AK" in 1980, at the shooting ranges of a military, Soviet base, on the border with China - (not far from the city of Belogorsk), I THEN WAS 4 YEARS FROM BIRTH.
              Well, at 4, I did not know, although at 80m I already shot from AK, I’m just a little older than you.
              1. -2
                9 March 2013 23: 07
                Quote: Allex28
                it depends on what assembly you mean


                ours, ordinary, without a flame arrester.


                Quote: Allex28
                Well, at 4 years old I did not know


                and I shot.


                Quote: Allex28
                , although at 80m I already shot from AK, I'm just a little older than you.


                happy for you.
                1. +4
                  9 March 2013 23: 18
                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  ours, ordinary, without a flame arrester.
                  There are only 2 types of disassembly and assembly, and the arrester has nothing to do with it. Although in one of the cases the compensator is screwed the same.
                  Quote: Karlsonn

                  and I shot.
                  Here you are in my lie completely. In the 4th year, you would have been carried away in a place with a gun lol
                  1. +1
                    9 March 2013 23: 53
                    Quote: Allex28
                    Disassembly and assembly are only 2 types, and the arrester has nothing to do with it.


                    Now schoolchildren are trained to unscrew the flame arrester, in my time - this was not.




                    Quote: Allex28
                    Here you are in my lie completely. In the 4th year, you would have been carried away in a place with a gun


                    My father is a personnel officer of the USSR, at four years from birth I shot at shooting ranges with TT, AK and PKT bully soldier it didn’t blow me away because my father pressed me to the butt.

                    so what exactly, the second step, will be in the assembly of "AK"? laughing
                    1. +3
                      9 March 2013 23: 57
                      Quote: Karlsonn
                      so what exactly, the second step, will be in the assembly of "AK"?

                      The assembly itself, because the 1st step is disassembly laughing
                      1. 0
                        10 March 2013 00: 03
                        Quote: Allex28
                        The assembly itself, because the 1st step is disassembly


                        drain - protected.
                      2. 0
                        10 March 2013 00: 14
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        drain - protected.
                        Who is protected? belay
                      3. 0
                        10 March 2013 01: 12
                        Quote: Allex28
                        Who is protected?


                        me bully because I know better than you in uniform, equipment, equipment.
                        As an airsoft player, I am much "richer" in equipment, I visit shooting ranges much more often, and as a Soviet athlete I am more trained than you.
                      4. +3
                        10 March 2013 01: 19
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        me bully because I understand better than you in uniform, equipment, equipment.
                        As an airsoft player, I am much "richer" in equipment, I visit shooting ranges much more often, and as a Soviet athlete I am more trained than you.

                        You already boasted at the end, look at yourself from the side, a miserable sight, how you can judge my physical form if you haven’t seen me in your eye, from where you can know how often I go to the shooting range if I don’t know me. No.I don’t know your shooting abilities, but I can say that I am not shooting badly.
                      5. 0
                        10 March 2013 01: 50
                        Quote: Allex28
                        You already boasted at the end, look at yourself from the side, a miserable sight


                        Oh really?
                        I am a Master of Sports of the USSR in classical wrestling, in addition to training in "airsoft" twice a month I arrange 30 km runs with a backpack with one third of my weight,


                        Quote: Allex28
                        how can you judge my physical form if you haven’t seen me in my eyes


                        every year I go the route --- Generalskoye - Dimer-G


                        Quote: Allex28
                        from where you can know how often I go to the shooting range if you are not familiar with me


                        I judge by what you said, I personally - I can afford it financially - I visit Ukrainian shooting ranges regularly laughing and as I think - much more often than you.


                        Quote: Allex28
                        I don’t know about shooting, but I can say that I am not shooting badly.


                        due to a bullet wound to the head, and a couple of unfortunate cases - I have to admit that at the moment I am shooting - badly sad but at a distance of 40 meters - I will give you a head start, in spite of a broken eye (regardless of your weight and height) I will give you a head start on the carpet or ring bully
                      6. +1
                        10 March 2013 01: 57
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        I am a Master of Sports of the USSR in classical wrestling, in addition to training in "airsoft" twice a month I arrange 30 km runs with a backpack with one third of my weight,

                        We seem to have the same weight.
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        I judge by what you said, personally I - financially I can afford it - I visit the Ukrainian shooting ranges regularly laughing and, as I think - much more often than you.

                        Again one boast, I know if the same is not in poverty.
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        because of a bullet wound to the head, and a couple of unfortunate cases - I have to admit that I'm shooting at the moment - it’s bad: sad, but at a distance of 40 meters I will give you a head start, despite my broken eye (regardless of your weight and height ) I will give you a head start on the carpet or ring bully

                        At the expense of shooting "don't sound like a cotton ball", but at the expense of fighting in full, perhaps here I am a complete 0.
                      7. 0
                        10 March 2013 02: 04
                        Quote: Allex28
                        We seem to have the same weight.


                        like a normal Soviet athlete - weight walks --- 60-70 kg.


                        Quote: Allex28
                        Again one boast, I know if the same is not in poverty.


                        not really bragging.


                        Quote: Allex28
                        On account of the shooting "don't seem like cotton gop"


                        at a distance of 40 meters - not "gop" and I am not "good" for you.


                        Quote: Allex28
                        but at the expense of the struggle in full, maybe here I am full


                        then I take my words back - it’s not fair to call you into the wrestling circle if you have not been in it before.
                      8. +2
                        10 March 2013 02: 08
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        then I take my words back - it’s not fair to call you into the wrestling circle if you have not been in it before.
                        It was, but it didn’t end with anything good for me. crying
                      9. 0
                        10 March 2013 02: 18
                        Quote: Allex28
                        It was, but it didn’t end with anything good for me.


                        our argument somehow didn’t work out request I hope in the future our communication with you will be more fruitful.
                      10. +1
                        10 March 2013 02: 23
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        I hope in the future our communication with you will be more fruitful.
                        I think yes Yes
                      11. +1
                        10 March 2013 02: 55
                        Quote: Allex28
                        I think yes


                        if I was rude and waved a saber - I apologize.
                      12. +3
                        10 March 2013 03: 13
                        Karlsonn,Accepted drinks For my part, if I went too far, then I apologize.
                      13. zavesa01
                        +1
                        11 March 2013 08: 28
                        Wrested, reconciled - GOOD FELLOWS!
                        Three misconceptions about airsoft - cheap, safe, sport. 50 percent of those who play are security officials. Interaction in the group, tactics of actions in the building, etc. are being worked out. The champions of Moscow in the strike competed with the "pennant" of 5 episodes, 2 the pennant lost. So it is possible and necessary to cooperate. And in terms of educating young people, it's better not to come up with it. The drives are replicants of real weapons. equipment - originals.
                        None of the players say that they are cool specialists in a real battle. However, this is the maximum possible imitation of reality.
                        About bobo - during the summer season 4 knocked out teeth + one surgeon. ball retrieval interventions.
                        There is no PAINT in the strike, do not confuse it with paintball. The distance of a direct shot is 30 -40 m. The flight speed of the ball is 130 - 160 m / s.
                        So skeptics are far from right considering that in training in the building an automatic machine with blank expensive cartridges is better than a drive with cheap balls (1 kg - 600 rubles ball weight 25 gran)
                      14. vvvrus39
                        0
                        10 March 2013 23: 28
                        Good to all; - still a little literacy, generally the guy would not have a price ...
                      15. +2
                        11 March 2013 00: 02
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        I am, as an airsoft player, much "richer" equipped, I visit shooting ranges much more often

                        Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs! Airsoft is as far from a real battle as Earth is from the Sun! hi
                    2. 0
                      11 March 2013 06: 36
                      I’m interested in how they shot from the FCT, from the bipod or from the hands - because the different effects on the hands and, accordingly, the accuracy of the battle? What AK did they shoot from? Personally, I always liked the AKM 46 on 15. TT is a good thing - I respect.
                      1. 0
                        11 March 2013 08: 12
                        In a previous comment, I turned to Carlson, who wrote above about his 4 years, etc. I don’t understand how the comment was here. Forum users sorry.
                    3. +1
                      11 March 2013 08: 25
                      I am interested in how they fired from the PKT. Generally PKT stands for Kalshnikov's tank machine gun. It is installed on armored objects, it is not even placed on the machine (this is me, if you start writing that the machine gun was on the machine). Shooting is provided by electric trigger and manually (reserve), the machine gun has no butt. Why did your father press you to the butt? AK - if it's not a secret of which one (I'm talking about where the AK has a pencil case - again what kind of AK, there are AKs on which the pencil case is not actually attached to the machine). Shot "with" TT - are you already 60 years old? TT was removed from service in the 50s. Of course, they could shoot if your father served in the arsenal or BHVT - there were even maxims there. In combat units in 80 of them were definitely not there. So how to deal with questions - either a mistake crept into your comments or, I'm sorry of course, but you're cheating. And you once asked about the disassembly of a Kalashnikov assault rifle - which machine (model) - is there a difference, some machines have a compensator, others have a muzzle brake-compensator and what kind of disassembly are you interested in - complete or incomplete? And for the future - the shooting is carried out "from weapons" and not "from weapons".
        2. Kaa
          +4
          9 March 2013 21: 52
          Quote: Karlsonn
          - Where is the Kalash's pencil case?

          Well, the teacher was completely furious ... questions !!! wants to fill up ... belay laughing
          1. -6
            9 March 2013 22: 31
            Kaa

            ME, AMATEURS ARE REALLY BEGINNING TO PUNCH !!! am
    2. 0
      9 March 2013 21: 41
      Quote: in stock
      Again a tribute to fashion.


      You would be in our Kalashnikov-not climbed! feel



      and without MEGAEXPERT we will manage.
      1. +5
        10 March 2013 16: 27
        Carlson, well, the word is, you tired of your airsoft. The fact is that there are a lot of military officers and non-officers on the site, they poured their own and someone else's blood, and you are here with your games ... There are also special sites for "you airsoft players." Here you will most likely not be understood, and in any case they will not enter into serious polemics. hi
        1. Yarbay
          -4
          10 March 2013 16: 51
          Quote: almost demobilized

          Carlson, well, honestly, you are tired of your airsoft. The fact is that there are a lot of military officers and non-officers on the site, they shed their own and someone else's blood, and you are here with your games ...

          he, too, knows firsthand about the war!
          1. FOX.
            -1
            10 March 2013 17: 19
            Quote: Yarbay
            he, too, knows firsthand about the war!

            How do you, the Internet fighter, know about the war? What do you always smear with someone?
        2. zavesa01
          -1
          11 March 2013 08: 32
          Dear YOU, in hand-to-hand combat training, are you training with real knives or with imitators?
          This is what Carlson says.
      2. phantom359
        0
        11 March 2013 01: 22
        Karlsonn, Old man, judging by the BDUShka, are you running after the Americans? Just a question, without any catch, I understand that you got the trochies. And at 86m the flame arrester was unscrewed with incomplete disassembly. Don’t start on trifles, I myself used to be frivolous about airsoft. It’s difficult for people to understand the excitement that you experience during the game. I don’t play myself, but I judge by the stories of friends, very adult uncles.
        1. +2
          11 March 2013 01: 38
          Quote: phantom359
          the flame arrester was unscrewed
          Just to know what it is. There is no such thing in AK.
          1. phantom359
            0
            11 March 2013 23: 38
            Allex28, I meant the muzzle brake, which also serves as a flame arrester. Do not cling to the words, dear, you perfectly understood what it was about.
        2. +1
          11 March 2013 02: 02
          This is PBS, but it is not used on a standard AK
          1. 0
            11 March 2013 06: 43
            Let me correct you a little - not on the standard one, but on the 5,45 caliber. On caliber 7,62, the PBS is applicable on all Kalashnikov assault rifles (I even saw an RPKS with this - but this is from the category of "crazy hands" in the military)
  10. Husseyn
    +8
    9 March 2013 12: 07
    The forces of special operations are probably not the right term; they have an analogue in the RF Armed Forces. Rather, you need something like an Expeditionary Corps, formed 100% of contract soldiers primarily for operations and participation in combat operations outside the borders of the Russian Federation, both as part of the UN contingents and in their own interests. But it is unlikely that even now there will be enough funds for this, both financial and political, it’s more of an idea for the future, I don’t agree with those who say that they are late.
    1. +2
      9 March 2013 20: 59
      We can’t figure it out in our country. Get down to earth. Where are you going to fight?
  11. nickname 1 and 2
    +1
    9 March 2013 12: 23
    Yes, in numbers over! I have to!
  12. gladiatorakz
    +6
    9 March 2013 12: 39
    Kvachkov wrote a desirtation, a number of other works on the creation of a MTR. He started in the 2000s. The need to create a MTR is ripe and overripe. It's good that we're trying to catch up with the "leading countries", it's bad that we don't want to overtake them. The development of military science, analysis and forecasting, of course, the introduction of their drugs would allow us to come out ahead.
  13. Suitcases
    +2
    9 March 2013 12: 44
    The event is very correct, and the idea is far from new. Again, we go around in a circle: 1) To recognize the uselessness of the GRU special forces
    2) Disband the GRU special forces
    3) realize
    after a detailed study of the practice of formation, the process of training and use of special operations forces by leading states of the world
    the need for MTR.
    4) Proceed to the formation of the Special Operations Forces, from scratch.
    5) You can start the second round.
  14. Nitup
    +2
    9 March 2013 12: 48
    Correctly create. And then the majority of modern "democratic" conflicts require just such formations.
  15. pinecone
    +7
    9 March 2013 13: 13
    Primitive tracing paper from English. "Special Operations Forces" !. Sounds awful in Russian, like "exclusive vinyl siding distributors". The feeling that there are consultants from the Pentagon or a Russian advertising agency in the Moscow Region.
    There was GRU special forces. It is necessary to restore, if not enough, then you can increase the number, 5, 10 times, reassign, make the necessary changes in the structure, etc., but the name should not be changed. As you can see, the reformist itch in the headquarters (and the general's pants, too) does not cease.
    1. +1
      9 March 2013 14: 46
      Quote: pinecone
      Primitive tracing paper from English. "Special Operations Forces"!

      Is it really in the name? Indeed, it is clear to everyone that people from the special forces will be recruiting there .... and how they will be called after that is the tenth matter .... what's the difference? What are you poisoning about this spray? If only in fact everything worked then .... Yes
      1. +1
        9 March 2013 19: 24
        The name, the name in the army plays a big role
      2. donchepano
        0
        9 March 2013 23: 00
        Quote: ausguck
        If only in fact everything worked then ....



        No matter how against your people
      3. vvvrus39
        +1
        10 March 2013 23: 37
        Indeed, somehow not in Russian, the rumor cuts. As you call a ship, it will sail.
    2. Yastreb
      0
      9 March 2013 15: 46
      Right.
      And the name is clumsy and justification far-fetched.
      Apparently in Afghanistan and Africa, the United States is deeply stuck, and going out means spoiling the image.
      The issue of pirates as well as reforming global maritime legislation has long been ripe (Why not arm the crew of ships or provide a team of 3-5 people with appropriate armament and training)
      The squadrons of ships in solving the problem of piracy have been shown to be ineffective. In my opinion, high-speed hunting boats, helicopters and groups of combat swimmers could help with the support of both intelligence and technical intelligence, which can only be made by wealthy Pinocchins led by the United States.
    3. 0
      9 March 2013 16: 06
      I agree. There is no need to invent anything, everything was already there.
    4. donchepano
      0
      9 March 2013 22: 59
      Quote: pinecone
      Reformed pruritus in headquarters (and general's pants, too) does not cease.


      Right Worms probably tortured high ranks ...
  16. +2
    9 March 2013 13: 24
    Among other things, there is the opportunity to return to the system of many professionals who had previously left the army.
  17. +4
    9 March 2013 13: 25
    And I have a fantastic dream that this newly created organization will be led by Kvachkov (secretly). And then - hold on guys!
    1. DDR
      +3
      9 March 2013 15: 34
      Quote: Egoza
      And I have a fantastic dream that this newly created organization will be led by Kvachkov (secretly

      And for the "mushroom" your dream is a nightmare laughing
    2. +2
      9 March 2013 19: 27
      Your dream and to God in the ears !!!
  18. Oleleg
    +3
    9 March 2013 13: 31
    It is a pity the article does not disclose what is the specific idea of ​​the command of the MTR? It turns out there are different special forces, a peacekeeping brigade, but why make another layer of generals for them? For targeted and more operational command, but the question arises, where is the General Staff, is it no longer able to command and control troops? In other countries, MTR commanders are created, but what is the real motivation, is it what is being declared (understood)? It is interesting to know the opinion of real professionals in this matter.
    1. +3
      9 March 2013 14: 04
      Oleleg + for correctly posed questions.
      First of all, it is necessary to determine the tasks, the structure being created, and the terminology.
      The name of the MTR does not fully meet the objectives declared in the article, as I understand it, it is about forming a permanent management structure for the units involved in peacekeeping activities abroad, as part of the UN forces, OR OTHER IS NOT IMPORTANT.
      Special preparation of such structures consists in the ability to interact with local authorities and the UN forces command in the area, that is, knowledge of languages, local and international laws, management officers and unit commanders.
      Unit fighters should simply be selected from among the most disciplined and having experience of fighting in counter-terrorist operations, nothing to do with GRU special forces, etc.
  19. Alikovo
    +9
    9 March 2013 13: 38
    there is a special forces gru. you can simply increase the amount.
  20. +5
    9 March 2013 14: 25
    We need to finish producing bosses and new names. In Russia, there are special forces in all power ministries, only they are reduced and then they complain that soldiers cannot be found in the infantry. And for "special military actions" abroad, it is necessary to revive the Detachments that carried out this activity in the Soviet GRU-SVR.
    1. +2
      9 March 2013 19: 31
      The Main Directorate of Foreign Intelligence (now the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service) was part of the KGB of the USSR. And the GRU, as now, is the department of the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense.
  21. 0
    9 March 2013 14: 41
    Long overdue!
    1. +2
      9 March 2013 19: 47
      Everything is new, this is well forgotten old. We had similar structures, these are special forces units of the GRU of the General Staff of the USSR. Not the current one, which is often used as ordinary motorized rifle units, at least as part of the Airborne Forces, in the same Chechnya, but the Soviet one, whose units were sharpened to perform combat missions completely autonomously, deep in the rear, in different parts of the world with different climatic conditions, up to the illegal introduction under the guise of "civilians" into the country of a potential enemy. All this is fucked up, it is necessary to recreate again, naturally, taking into account modern realities and it is not necessary to sculpt all sorts of American and British names, such as "special operations forces."
  22. pinecone
    +1
    9 March 2013 15: 12
    ausguck
    Any name is far from being "tenth", but a very important issue of state ideology, or its absence. ... But if you are one of those for whom the current designations like "rural-type settlements" are quite acceptable, instead of villages, villages and townships, or the names of the executioners of the Russian people carefully preserved by the authorities on the streets of the Uritsky and Volodarsky, then everything is clear and the topic I raised is possible considered exhausted. ...
  23. 0
    9 March 2013 15: 16
    It was high time!
  24. +6
    9 March 2013 15: 19
    Yes, they have already been bored! Reminds of the fun 90s. You come to what thread "hvirmochku" you conclude an agreement. You come the next day, it seems like everything is the same, but no, the authorities and the sign has changed. It is necessary to attach a "son", and let's transform the Sales Department at the plant into a subsidiary company, and its head, and the products to the "daughter" are cheaper, but it doesn't matter that there will be no salary, the hard workers will endure, but what kind of "grandmother" through the "daughter" will be cool Why don't they want to work for free? Yes, to hell with him with the plant, go bankrupt and sell, for spare parts, to the same daughter. And then the state will give money, at the very least, poor, we will depict something,
    The same canoe!
  25. +5
    9 March 2013 15: 38
    on the whole, they didn’t come up with anything new (except for the name of course, I especially liked the first two letters in it, than it gives it to the past)
    what to base the structure on, there is a lot of choice, but let’s comrades to the realities, we’ll go down now, namely FINANCE !!!
    _
    "the chief of the General Staff warned that the special operations forces will be created as an independent command in the structure of the army"
    _
    well, this is sheer nonsense, ideally all this should be done by the GRU, but it takes a long time to prepare them, and they cost the budget every fighter, agent, etc. very expensive, even if the GRU provides all the necessary tools, then WHO WILL CONTAIN THIS, VERY DEAR LITTLE "ARMY" ?!
    _
    we have FZB-nicknames who work in the North Caucasus district dress and put on shoes themselves, for their money, and you think that under such circumstances a miracle flying special unit will appear?! ??!
    __
    I’ll tell you how it will be, it’s like guys from the OMON, they are both police and military, and are on the lists of the Internal Troops and us. The points protect, in short, 3 in the 1st, but in fact, they are engaged in business trips to the southern republics.
    __
    I assure you there will be the same thing, they’ll simply compile lists, collect them once, conduct exercises with amers together (NATURALLY INDICATIVE), and that’s all over, because it’s expensive to maintain!
    1. +3
      9 March 2013 16: 19
      In the North Caucasus, conscripts also buy uniforms themselves. Believe the information is accurate.
      1. +5
        9 March 2013 17: 17
        I also heard it, even infa arrived that collimators also at their own expense ...
        this leads to bad thoughts about the proper spending of budget funds.
        1. 0
          9 March 2013 21: 05
          You didn’t fully understand about collimators.
    2. 0
      9 March 2013 20: 05
      OMON officers are not members of the Interior Ministry troops and are not on any of their lists. These are police officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation who have special ranks, the same as the rest of the police officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, they do not have the status of military personnel of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation. they were probably confused with special motorized police units, this is just the part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, only there officers and soldiers wear police uniforms, are involved in public order protection in settlements, public events, patrols, oldaty there are military service.
      1. 0
        10 March 2013 02: 47
        hmmm .. maybe I got the status with a list, but I doubt it
        I was not talking about status, but specifically if a war occurs and it will be necessary to defend on its territory, then if I’m not mistaken, they will all be in the VVMV, because lists have already been compiled.

        Quote: voronov
        OMON officers are not members of the Interior Ministry troops of the Russian Federation and are not on any of their lists.

        _
        evidence in the studio comrade Voronov!
        otherwise you will have to suspect you of balobolstvo ...

        _
        but nowadays "knowledgeable" pseudo-vectors are divorced.
      2. +2
        10 March 2013 02: 49
        Quote: voronov
        OMON officers are not members of the Interior Ministry troops of the Russian Federation and are not on any of their lists.


        _
        evidence in the studio comrade Voronov!
        otherwise you will have to suspect you of balobolstvo ...

        _
        but nowadays "knowledgeable" pseudo-vectors are divorced.
        1. 0
          10 March 2013 11: 45
          For a start, familiarize yourself with the Regulations on the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, on service in the internal affairs bodies of the Russian Federation, the charter of the internal service of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, the combat charter of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, the regulations on the police (police) of public security in the Russian Federation. local police) in the Russian Federation (Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of 12.02.1993, No. 209). Clause 2. Composition of the public security police: The public security police includes subdivisions: patrol and guard police service, including special police units (OMON ). So balabol rather you are tovarisch "rooor", and therefore your apologies to the studio !!!
          1. +2
            10 March 2013 16: 35
            Comrade Ravens, you are deeply mistaken!
            you confuse the hierarchy of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and VVMVD with the interaction during the war of the VVMVD and OMON. these are generally two different things.
            __
            all the war has begun, this is the initial position!
            and I continue to maintain that riot police will operate in the structure of the VVMVD.

            (I think you're appealing outdated information)
            1. +2
              10 March 2013 18: 56
              When it seems like they usually get baptized. In some of the normative documents I have cited, only the word police has been replaced by the police recently, and even so far not everywhere. The instructions of the internal service and the military air force of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation have not changed. Initially, you claimed that the OMON Ministry of Internal Affairs At the same time, the Russian Federation are also military personnel of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation. I, on the basis of the above Regulation on Police (Police) of Public Security, have proved to you that riot policemen are not military personnel of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, they are by status the same police officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, as in all the rest. Now you are trying to dust your brains and express your personal conjectures about the order of interaction between various power structures of the Russian Federation in case of war. You, like most ordinary people, are not given to know, because all mobilization plans and orders are under the stamp completely secret and you even theoretically you do not have access to them, because in this case you are engaged in banal chatter on this topic.
              1. +2
                10 March 2013 21: 27
                mdaaa comrade ravens you are a master of avoiding questions))
                and after that, it turns out that I'm doing chatter !? Are you sure?!

                or maybe someone is not able to clearly state their thoughts, incidentally affecting everything and everyone ?!
                I just gave comments on your last post, and you started to juggle ...
                __
                do not get confused! read what you write! and observe all the dialogue completely!
                Quote: voronov
                Initially, you argued that riot police officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation are at the same time military personnel of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation.

                read carefully !!!
                I wrote that they are on the LIST !!!! AUU !!! AND ONLY WHEN THE WAR WILL BEGIN, ONLY THEN THEY WILL ACT IN THE STRUCTURE OF THE AIRCRAFT !!
                __
                and stop wishful thinking really! read in full what I write, everything is simply and clearly written.
                1. 0
                  11 March 2013 01: 01
                  A typical demagogic reception of an incompetent person. Tell about some mythical lists of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Interior Ministry to grandmothers on a bench laughing
  26. 0
    9 March 2013 16: 17
    Quote: pooop
    and are on the lists of Internal Troops

    I was surprised! I earnestly ask you to explain, how is it?
    1. +1
      9 March 2013 16: 41
      everything is very simple
      include in the lists of cc for picking from the county
      if that war begins, where it will be necessary to fight on its territory, then this fighter already has a place in the BB
      i.e. distribution is in advance
      1. +2
        9 March 2013 20: 18
        "... if that same war starts ..." then a mobilization plan begins to operate, about which, judging by your comments, you probably have never heard. And therefore, if necessary, police officers, incl. and OMON will be mobilized into the army, in accordance with their VUS.
        1. +1
          10 March 2013 02: 40
          "In cases of need, police officers, including riot police, will be mobilized into the army" - well, of course!
          the point is not in this, but in what army? that’s the point, and I’m saying that they will already be in the army of the Ministry of Internal Affairs VV.
          that's all.
          1. 0
            10 March 2013 11: 26
            In order to conduct a dialogue on any topic, you need to at least understand the elementary concepts. The army (official definition) is an unification of military formations of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation under a single command, it includes separate battalions, regiments, brigades, divisions, corps. there is no and never existed an "army of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs", because the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs are not united into the army, there are military districts there, just as there are no armies in other power structures: FSB, FSO, FSIN, SVR, Gosnarkokontrol, some of them have their own The armed formations in the Ministry of Internal Affairs are the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSO-presidential regiment, the FSB-border troops, which have nothing to do with the army. Therefore, in cases of partial or complete mobilization, most police officers, incl. and OMON will be drafted into the MO troops in accordance with their VUS, those who served in the MVD Internal Troops will probably be sent there, again in accordance with the VUS received there.
            1. +2
              10 March 2013 16: 43
              Quote: voronov
              In order to conduct a dialogue on any topic, one needs to at least understand basic concepts. An army (official definition) is an association of military units of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation under a single command, it includes separate battalions, regiments, brigades, divisions, corps.And therefore there is no and never existed an "army of the Interior Ministry of the Interior", because the Interior Ministry of the Interior is not united in the army

              _
              I don’t even know after what you just wrote, does it make sense for me to have a discussion at all ...
              __
              in such cases they say; "I mean Ivan and you mean a fool"
              __
              go to the VVMVD website
              here is the link http://www.vvmvd.ru/menu2/structure/reforms/
              everything is written there ....
              your information is outdated ....
              1. 0
                10 March 2013 19: 19
                "... and I'm talking about the fact that they will already be in the army of the Interior Ministry." Your words? In this case, you express yourself in the language of a layman who has a very vague idea of ​​military topics. And I am trying to speak with you in the official language and terminology enshrined in regulatory documents, academic military literature and military textbooks. So the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs do not belong to the army, just the same The border troops of the FSB, the presidential regiment of the FSO do not belong to the army, because there are simply no armies in these power structures. Yes, there are military personnel, but they do not serve in the army. In the Russian Federation, there are only armies in the Ministry of Defense and military personnel of the Ministry of Defense serve in the army.
                1. 0
                  10 March 2013 19: 39
                  Somehow you explain all this confusedly.

                  There are military personnel. They serve in the troops (RF Armed Forces and the RF Ministry of Internal Affairs) or in other military units.

                  Riot police does not apply to military units. Accordingly, those who serve there are not military personnel. However, they are liable for military service and at any time can be called up for military service or military units. Something like that in a first approximation.
                  1. 0
                    10 March 2013 21: 29
                    You do not see the difference between the army of the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and do not understand that the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs is not related to the army?
                    1. Yarbay
                      +1
                      10 March 2013 21: 37
                      Quote: voronov

                      You do not see the difference between the army of the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and do not understand that the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs is not related to the army?

                      I read your dialogue!
                      You just find fault !!
                      Basically, your opponent says the same thing !!
                      In peacetime, the VV does not belong to the army; in the military, it acts on the orders of the VGK!
                      In one or another sector of the front, it can be subordinated to the local command of the district, the front at the discretion of the High Command!
                      1. 0
                        11 March 2013 01: 05
                        I’m not talking about war
                    2. 0
                      10 March 2013 21: 53
                      Quote: voronov
                      You do not see the difference between the army of the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs

                      No. Moreover, the legislation does not see such a difference. Both that, and another - troops


                      Quote: voronov
                      and you don’t understand that the MVD of the Ministry of Internal Affairs has nothing to do with the army?

                      Why did you make this thoughtful conclusion?
                  2. +2
                    10 March 2013 21: 32
                    Quote: Spade
                    However, they are liable for military service and at any time can be called up for military service or military units.


                    what is the whole point of the dialogue, because I affirm that if they are called up, they will already act in the VVMVD, and comrade Voronov says that he is in the MORF and has not yet brought any evidence.
                    1. +3
                      10 March 2013 21: 44
                      99 percent of them will be sent to the infantry. In the best case, they will fall into reconnaissance reconnaissance battalions.

                      During the war, explosives will not be deployed. On the contrary, part of the personnel will be transferred to the active army, and mobilized older ages will come in their place.
                      1. +1
                        11 March 2013 01: 32
                        And I'm about the same, then what do you disagree with me? This is also confirmed by the experience of the Second World War, when the NKVD rifle divisions went to the front and reassigned to the command of the Red Army NPO NCO, and many of them were renamed the rifle divisions of the Red Army NCO with the assignment of new numbers, later they became even guards and were given honorary names. when the servicemen of the Red Army of the NPO after wounds, due to limitations on their service, due to their health, were sent to escort and security divisions and units of the NKVD troops and territories for further service nal bodies of the NKVD and the police
                      2. Yarbay
                        -1
                        11 March 2013 09: 28
                        Quote: Spade
                        99 percent they will be sent to the infantry

                        I agree!
                    2. +1
                      11 March 2013 01: 15
                      Read carefully my comments, which say that during the period of complete mobilization, the majority of police officers and riot police of the Ministry of Internal Affairs will be drafted into the troops of the Ministry of Defense in accordance with their WMD, and the rest, again, in accordance with their WMD in the Ministry of Internal Affairs
    2. 0
      9 March 2013 20: 23
      Do not listen to the amateur who heard the ringing wassat
  27. Radox
    0
    9 March 2013 16: 46
    Yes, it seems to me that there will be airborne forces, gru, parts of dshb, and reconnaissance of motorized rifles, I don’t know.
  28. kukuruzo
    0
    9 March 2013 17: 06
    I think .. for a state that has a status of a superpower. this is necessary ... especially in our time

    thanks for the article
  29. 0
    9 March 2013 17: 20
    The forces of special operations are another obscurantism, I don’t know for what purpose, but the idea is not good, the enemies will learn a lot of things during this mess that were previously inaccessible to them. The feeling that Serdyukov’s case is still living. In fact, it was enough to completely restore, develop and increase the GRU.
    1. 0
      9 March 2013 20: 20
      I absolutely agree with you, but minus persons you are not competent
      1. 0
        9 March 2013 21: 10
        At the expense of minuses. This is probably the "commandos" minus.
        1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
          0
          9 March 2013 22: 05
          How did you guess?
  30. +2
    9 March 2013 17: 50
    If only this event ended with the creation of "warm places" in the leadership of the structure for a matchmaker, son, nephew, godfather, brother ...
    I repeat, but mb should pay attention to the secret armies of NATO
    http://tainy.info/history/tajnye-armii-nato/.Думаю,это заслуживает самого пристального внимания.
  31. Terkin
    0
    9 March 2013 17: 59
    The first task of the MTR will be Serdyukov wassat
    1. 0
      10 March 2013 00: 13
      The freelance killer is enough for him
      1. Misantrop
        +2
        10 March 2013 00: 15
        Quote: voronov
        The freelance killer is enough for him

        In no case - a killer pro works quickly and clearly. But the side-handed maniac-sadyugu let him ... wassat
  32. Artem Airborne
    0
    9 March 2013 18: 40
    photo of my regiment smile nicely
  33. NKVD
    +1
    9 March 2013 18: 47
    It's high time, even Zhukov in the early 50s proposed to create special forces of the Great Patriotic War and showed what damage special forces (partisans) can inflict on the enemy behind enemy lines ... And in Afghanistan, on the contrary, units were needed to combat Afghan partisans. a roasted cock will not bite in the ass "" the man will not move "... But better late than never.
  34. 0
    9 March 2013 18: 48
    an action plan was developed, submitted to A. Serdyukov, who was then Minister of Defense. But he expressed confidence that the initiative was inappropriate.

    Is it time to call the above type by your name - a traitor!
  35. SIT
    +2
    9 March 2013 21: 20
    Peacekeeping missions and special operations are in the elderberry garden, and in Kiev, uncle. Completely different types of activities. And how will the MTR fundamentally differ from the Special Operations Directorate of the General Staff? In the Special Forces, a brigade structure that has been debugged for decades with appropriate management. Why start from scratch and stuff bumps? All subdivisions of Special Operations under one roof still cannot be assembled. The navy has its own specifics and withdrawing them from the command of the fleet insanity. Here it is really necessary to establish the normal training of special forces soldiers in various climatic conditions. A fighter must really work out both in the Arctic and in the impassable forests of Cuba and Venezuela. Of these fighters who have undergone full training and currently serving in different teams, it is possible to form a unit for a specific task, collecting them on the basis of training for a specific theater.
    1. Misantrop
      +1
      9 March 2013 23: 11
      Quote: SIT
      In the Special Forces, a brigade structure that has been debugged for decades with appropriate management. Why start from scratch and stuff bumps?

      If you begin to shove the sons of large dads with shaggy paws into the debugged structure, the last remaining pros may leave. At least from a sense of self-preservation - so as not to die in a mediocre planned operation for someone else's little star on the chase. And you can cram anyone into the new structure with leaders (and this, it seems, has already been done) ...
      1. +1
        10 March 2013 00: 41
        The son of the big popes is pushed with force by dates or by the clothing workers-nachprodami- GSM workers. And more often they are mastered in civilian life.
        1. Misantrop
          +3
          10 March 2013 00: 44
          Quote: Spade
          The son of the big popes is pushed with force by dates or by the clothing workers-nachprodami- GSM workers.
          Not at all. The main losses of the special forces in Chechnya are precisely from such "leaders"
          1. 0
            10 March 2013 00: 45
            Do you think that only daddy's sons are brain-bites? If...
            1. Misantrop
              +2
              10 March 2013 00: 50
              Quote: Spade
              Do you think that only daddy's sons are brain-bites?

              Of course not. But impunity and aplomb are many times higher for such people. We called such "invalids" (he himself - here, and the hand - in Moscow) lol
  36. +1
    9 March 2013 21: 32
    When there is no strength for ordinary operations ... they begin to come up with SPECIAL forces for SPECIAL operations ... Laughter and only ...
  37. Horde
    -1
    9 March 2013 21: 36
    I wonder who will win the army special forces or riot police? what
    1. -2
      9 March 2013 22: 36
      Quote: Horde

      I wonder who will win the army special forces or riot police?


      depending on where the battle will take place what
      - in green explosives will tax in minus all;
      - when taking apartments - I will give preference to the FSB;
      - to calm down a zone during a riot - OMON;
      - take an object behind enemy lines - GRU and army men ---- Your question gives you away as a person far from the army.
      1. +5
        10 March 2013 00: 32
        In the greenery of the Interior Ministry of the Russian Federation, it is unlikely that the Airborne Forces, GRU special forces, even army motorized riflemen, not to mention their reconnaissance, will "taxi" in ... When suppressing riots in the zones, the riot police of the Ministry of Internal Affairs will never be sent there, they are not trained for this and it is not their business, they can be attracted by force for cordoning off.To eliminate riots in correctional colonies in Russia, there are special forces of the Federal Service for the Execution of Punishment formed and staffed in each regional, regional administration of the execution of punishment, they are just the same sharpened for these purposes. Apparently in these matters you are also not competent
        1. +1
          10 March 2013 00: 37
          Quote: voronov
          in both Chechens there they constantly threw

          Listen to less liberoids. The standard "cleanup" is a total passport check with a slight creep.

          Everyone crawled along the greenery. And everyone is trained in about the same way. The techniques are one. So are the teachers.
          1. Misantrop
            +1
            10 March 2013 00: 58
            Quote: Spade
            And all are trained about the same. The techniques are one. Like the teachers.
            What do you think, a fighter who began to fight in Afghanistan, and then dangled around the world as an ordinary mercenary, needs to be taught a lot? Given the fact that his only occupation all these years was the war. And such a partner’s brother had such a professional on one of his business trips
            1. 0
              10 March 2013 01: 13
              We are not talking about individual individuals.
              1. Misantrop
                +1
                10 March 2013 01: 24
                Quote: Spade
                We are not talking about individual individuals.

                And "piece" groups are needed to really change the situation. And it is highly desirable - with a dry count. Therefore, the TU group was assembled very carefully. There were no random people there. And they were not staffed from the stock of illiquid assets before shipment wink But on the other hand, they solved problems that were considered unsolvable in principle. IMHO that's it - SPECIALIZATION (in fact, and not by name). Last summer, a brother under cognac (usually silent about this tightly) told how their machine gunner one burst from the knee (on the entire tape, 100 rounds) put a group suddenly falling out to the side from almost fifty snouts. When he shot back and fell on a reload, it took three controls for the whole crowd. This only happens in the movies, but he managed to see it in real life ...
          2. -1
            10 March 2013 01: 15
            Quote: Spade
            everybody crawled about the green stuff. And everyone is trained in about the same way. The techniques are one. Just like the teachers


            Yeah, then why in Ingushetia now in "brilliant green" are acquiring experience of military personnel?
            1. +3
              10 March 2013 01: 21
              Because there are no motorized riflemen in Ingushetia. The "Chechens" work at home, the Vladikavkaz people have their own tasks.
              1. -1
                10 March 2013 01: 53
                Quote: Spade

                Because in Ingushetia there are no motorized rifles.


                and what? vv-shniki how do deman clean up "green" in Ingushetia - supposedly not a shield? my friends FSB-Schnicks talk about them as "rembo"
                1. +1
                  10 March 2013 01: 58
                  And if the army does not do this in Ingushetia, then do not do it at all? And therefore they have no experience?
                  1. 0
                    10 March 2013 02: 20
                    Quote: Spade
                    And if the army does not do this in Ingushetia, then they don’t do it at all

                    in Ingushetia "brilliant green" is played by explosives.


                    Quote: Spade
                    And therefore they have no experience?


                    fig wheel invent?
                    1. +1
                      10 March 2013 02: 54
                      Quote: Karlsonn
                      fig wheel invent?

                      That's it. Army in the same Dagestan and Chechnya have enough of their "green". And therefore they have no less experience.
            2. +2
              10 March 2013 12: 03
              Yes, because Ingushetia, Chechnya, Dagestan, and the entire North Caucasus are part of the Russian Federation, and in the absence of full-scale military operations there, it is not entirely right to throw troops of the MoD into internal conflicts of the state, if it is not legal and internationally does not positively affect our prestige , because the task of the troops of the Ministry of Defense is a reflection of external aggression. This is what the MVD of the Interior Ministry is involved in, and this is their legitimate combat mission.
          3. +1
            10 March 2013 11: 54
            And I don’t need to listen to anyone, I went through it personally. And then Scraping is an army terminology that has nothing to do with liberoid
            1. 0
              10 March 2013 18: 36
              It is liberoid. The systematic activists were catching up with horror.
          4. 0
            10 March 2013 17: 09
            All and everywhere "steered" and "steered" PENNANT!
            Once again I will repeat (do not count. That is obsessed) about the secret NATO armies - "stay behind". In France and Finland, even the name of the unit is a state secret.
            In the USSR there were brigades of the airborne forces-GRU. Talked with one officer (Crimea).
            The unit had 2 regiments, one "Greek" and "Uzbek" in terms of conscripts. The latter were planned to be used against Turkey. The preparation was still the same!
            I wonder if there is now a similar unit (s) ...
            1. 0
              10 March 2013 20: 03
              In the 50s, special forces companies of the GRU General Staff of the USSR Ministry of Defense were created in each military district in the USSR; their main combat mission was to conduct reconnaissance and sabotage operations in absolute autonomy, in all parts of the world and in all climatic conditions, up to the introduction under the brand name of peaceful residents to the countries of a potential enemy. They were recruited as a rule from officers and super-conscripts of the Airborne Forces and reconnaissance units, the very mention of them was classified top secret, only the commander of the military district and his first deputy knew about their existence. , wore general military uniforms, could also wear insignia and emblems of artillery, tankers, construction battalions and whatever, again, for conspiracy purposes, they were not provided with special insignia and special elements of military uniforms (berets, vests, etc.) .In cases of demobilization, or transfer for any reason, to other units, servicemen gave Subsequently, the GRU special forces were increased to battalions, and from the mid-70s there were already brigades in each military district, and they were already equipped in the form of the Airborne Forces, although they had nothing to do with the Airborne Forces. troops began to infiltrate from the mid-80s, from the war in Afghanistan, where the GRU special forces were involved, they were already used there as reconnaissance and sabotage army units, they began to send conscripts there, therefore, naturally, information leaked. GRU special forces brigades were transferred to the newly emerged sovereign states, some were transferred to Russia. With the further development of "democracy" and liberalism in Russia, some of them were disbanded, the Ministry of Defense Serdyukov especially distinguished himself, now the GRU special forces brigades can be counted on the fingers of one hand, they dressed in airborne uniforms, but their chevron depicts a bat
              1. jjj
                0
                10 March 2013 23: 41
                They knew about GRU special forces at the end of the 70 of the last century. Conscripts served for three years. A lot of training, shooting and exercises. During the exercises, it was strictly forbidden to penetrate KGB objects, including PV. In this case, the committee structures were obliged to open fire on defeat.
  38. Misantrop
    +2
    9 March 2013 22: 40
    Quote: Karlsonn
    in green explosives will tax in all minuses;

    In urban combat, it is still possible. But in the green against the airborne forces, they have little chance (IMHO) ...
    1. -3
      9 March 2013 23: 11
      Quote: Misantrop
      In urban combat, it is still possible. But in green against the airborne forces, they have few chances (IMHO)


      maybe you don’t know, but it’s precisely the Russian explosives in greenery that are now cooler than stars. Experience BB taxis in minus airborne wink As for the urban battle, the FSB will again taxi the Airborne Forces in the minuses - because of experience and practice.
      1. SIT
        +5
        9 March 2013 23: 48
        Quote: Karlsonn
        as for the urban battle, the FSB will again taxi the Airborne Forces in the minus because of experience and practice.

        The Airborne Forces will fight in urban development as an army unit, which means as part of assault groups. Approximately the assault group includes, from a platoon to a company, 1-2 departments of sappers, flamethrowers, 2-3 chemists with smoke and ignition, 2-3 tanks or self-propelled guns. The assault group NEVER enters the building through the doors and windows of the 1st floor as the FSB does, because if the enemy stayed in the building for at least half an hour, then everything is riddled with surprises, of which stretching is the most harmless. It will land on the roof in a battle with regular units, it won’t even occur to anyone because it is suicide. No need to compare who is stronger than a whale or an elephant.
        1. -1
          10 March 2013 00: 10
          Quote: SIT
          The Airborne Forces will fight in urban development as an army unit, which means as part of assault groups.


          I understand you perfectly, but - right now the Russian Internal Troops has the greatest experience on the planet, in fighting in the "green", the FSB of Russia has awesome experience in storming and clearing buildings, the quality of riot police, but I think you will not dispute.

          what about urban battle - let's say this:
          - our airsoft team trains twice a week, do you think we can act in the city?


          Quote: SIT
          It will land on the roof in a battle with regular units, it won’t even occur to anyone because it is suicide.


          debatable.


          Quote: SIT
          No need to compare who is stronger than a whale or an elephant.


          do not ascribe to me your thoughts.
          1. SIT
            +4
            10 March 2013 00: 23
            Quote: Karlsonn
            The FSB of Russia has a great deal of experience in storming and cleaning buildings,

            From the terrorists, and not from the regular units, entrenched there and made all the engineering training. Throwing FSB specialists against them is hammering nails with a microscope.
            Quote: Karlsonn
            - our airsoft team trains twice a week, do you think we can act in the city?

            How do you make a wall breach through which an attack subgroup breaks into a building? Highly explosive with self-propelled guns?)))) Or sappers at night lay a charge?)))
            1. -2
              10 March 2013 01: 21
              Quote: SIT
              From the terrorists, and not from the regular units, entrenched there and made all the engineering training. Throwing FSB specialists against them is hammering nails with a microscope.


              I don’t argue with that drinks


              Quote: SIT
              How do you make a wall breach through which an attack subgroup breaks into a building? Highly explosive with self-propelled guns?)))) Or sappers at night lay a charge?)))


              How many non-"airsoft players" can put a grenade from a "shoe" into the window of the fifth floor?
              how many non-"airsoft players" will tell you how RDX differs from HMX?


              Quote: SIT
              Or sappers lay a charge at night?)))


              we - "airsoft players" use analogs of mines, stretch marks ---- the irony is not clear.
              1. +5
                10 March 2013 01: 27
                Quote: Karlsonn
                how many non-"airsoft players" will tell you how RDX differs from HMX?

                And how many airsoft players know how phlegmatized RDX differs from metallized RDX? winked
                1. +3
                  10 March 2013 01: 29
                  Quote: Spade
                  from metallized hexogen

                  funky metallized with aluminum powder
                  1. +5
                    10 March 2013 01: 36
                    Exactly. It’s especially good for them to take a stopwatch at night. The flash is clearly visible.
                    1. -2
                      10 March 2013 02: 06
                      Do not shoot the hut !!!
                      1. +1
                        10 March 2013 02: 55
                        This is in the sergeant’s textbook.
                  2. -1
                    10 March 2013 01: 55
                    Quote: Kars
                    funky metallized with aluminum powder


                    did not fall the hut !!!
                2. 0
                  10 March 2013 01: 55
                  Quote: Spade
                  And how many airsoft players know how phlegmatized RDX differs from metallized RDX?


                  in fact, not much.
      2. Misantrop
        +6
        10 March 2013 00: 31
        Quote: Karlsonn
        maybe you don’t know, but it’s precisely the Russian explosives in greenery that are now cooler than stars.

        The brother was called to them by the instructor, the golden mountains promised. Went, looked, then spat for a long time ... lol

        True, airborne landing forces are also different. There are ordinary groups, and there are officers in which some of the fighters from Afghanistan began to fight ...

        Quote: Karlsonn
        our airsoft team trains twice a week, do you think we can act in the city?
        IMHO, of course, but in airsoft real fighters who fought the airsoft most often lose. And not because they are weaker or worse prepared. It’s just that they see a real battle after each shot, there, for every hit, the price is completely different.
        1. -3
          10 March 2013 01: 28
          Quote: Misantrop
          The brother was called to them by the instructor, the golden mountains promised. Went, looked, then spat for a long time ..


          I personally conducted a seminar for the Russian military - taught them how to break and throw dirty, the impressions were purely positive, we probably visited different parts.


          Quote: Misantrop
          IMHO, of course, but in airsoft real fighters who fought the airsoft most often lose.


          lies!!!
          played in "VDV" good DESANTURA, under the leadership of guys and men who fought - taxied us crying I was personally blown up in secret with an "airsoft" grenade request


          Quote: Misantrop
          It’s just that they see a real battle after each shot, there, for every hit, the price is completely different.


          nude, listen carefully.
          1. Alex_g23r
            +1
            14 March 2013 23: 06
            Quote: Karlsonn
            nude, listen carefully.


            I have not seen such rudeness here for a long time.
      3. +6
        10 March 2013 00: 43
        "... but it is the Russian military in brilliant green that is now steeper than the stars. The experience of the explosive taxis in the minus of the SN of the Airborne Forces, as for the urban battle, the FSB, again, the Airborne Forces will tax in the minus - because of experience and practice." You are from your own experience, or have you read and seen enough books and movies? You are talking absolute nonsense, you are absolutely not familiar with the tactics of military operations in the field and in settlements, your terminology is taken from computer shooters laughing
        1. -3
          10 March 2013 01: 31
          Quote: voronov
          "Are you from your own experience, or have you read and seen enough books and movies?


          I concluded from reports on Ingushetia.


          Quote: voronov
          You carry absolute nonsense, you are completely unfamiliar with the tactics of military operations in the field and in settlements, your terminology is taken from computer shooters


          Unlike you, I am familiar with tactics, moreover, I participated in "clashes" - and I advise you not to judge people by yourself.
          1. +6
            10 March 2013 12: 13
            In "clashes" they take part in the bazaar, in war they fight and take part in hostilities. From the personal experience of a veteran of hostilities (I have an official status and relevant documents) I could tell you something on this topic, but I will refrain because you are on the Internet "warrior".
            1. +1
              10 March 2013 21: 47
              voronov come on don't forget "Modesty is the sister of talent"
              The WBD certificate is now simply given out for being in the conflict zone, went on a business trip, sat a LDPE or VPU protected on the road and the mustache is already a veteran)))
              1. 0
                10 March 2013 22: 04
                And what is LDPE and VPU?
              2. +1
                11 March 2013 01: 55
                Regarding my participation in the database, I responded to the comment of the opponent and nothing more. Here you apparently received the WBD certificate. I didn’t get mine right away, but only a year after arriving from the next business trip from the UK, having previously presented certificates of the actual number of days of participation in the database signed by my immediate command, certified by the commander of the OGVS, extracts from award orders, hospital notes on the medical card came in handy. But in the war, after all, they fight in different ways, as you described in your comment, and I completely differently
        2. +9
          10 March 2013 02: 45
          I’ll also bring in my 5 kopecks: from my own experience (1 Chechen) I can say that you can’t share who is cooler than the BB or Airborne, special forces, SOBR, etc. It all depends on the level of training and command. It happens that it is better to have weak soldiers than a dumb commander. I saw the retreating special forces, SOBR, and many others in hospitals after Grozny. War is the best examiner who is better, attacks can argue endlessly who is better.
          1. -1
            10 March 2013 02: 58
            Quote: elmi
            I carry my 5 kopecks:



            Quote: elmi
            It happens that it’s better to have weak soldiers than a dumb commander

            Quote: elmi
            War is the best examiner who is better, attacks can argue endlessly who is better.


            if there is a competent officer it will solve everything.
          2. 0
            11 March 2013 00: 11
            Quote: elmi
            It happens that it is better to have weak soldiers than a dumb commander.

            I do not agree! Experienced fighters will not let the commander make a mistake (of course in the tactical link)! hi
            1. +6
              11 March 2013 02: 48
              That is, if he will listen, and if not, he will still have to follow - orders are not discussed. So for such unprepared commanders we bear big losses.
  39. rubber_duck
    +3
    9 March 2013 22: 58
    It is high time. But something does not overwhelm joy. Again this "special-special-special" will be to the detriment of the army and the navy. The budget is not rubber. You can, of course, close the eyes and ears of the population with "media reasons", but the RF Armed Forces are an army for the defense of their country (or whatever will remain of it). First of all, we need to think about how we will defend our land from an adversary, but about the "surgical tools of geopolitics" - then, when everything will be in order with motorized riflemen, tankmen, pilots and sailors. Do not forget that "special forces" are peacetime troops, they do not win wars.

    PS I repeat for those who can not master the five sentences. The idea has long been in the air, and I think the idea of ​​creating a MTR in Russia is absolutely correct.
  40. tomich
    -2
    9 March 2013 23: 34
    drive yourself into a corner, do you think these parts are designed for operations abroad? no matter how, it was not in vain that the cops and the military raised their salaries at times, and they will disperse you if you decide
    1. -2
      9 March 2013 23: 57
      Quote: tomich
      no matter how, it was not in vain that the cops and the military raised their salaries at times, and they will disperse you if you decide
      laughing

      Overclock will be like you bully , and if you need help, I’ll help - twist flippers - like you behind your back, since qualification allows hi .
  41. +2
    10 March 2013 01: 40
    Quote: Karlsonn
    They will disperse people like you bully, and if you need help, I will help - twist fins - like you behind your back, since hi allows qualification.


    boy yes you are troll!
    1. -4
      10 March 2013 02: 08
      Quote: O_RUS
      boy yes you are troll!


      and you //////, - but you can’t do anything with it request
  42. AndreyAB
    +3
    10 March 2013 09: 26
    Something completely incomprehensible, in the USSR, Russia has never been engaged in special operations? Yelling to the whole world that Russia will finally be engaged in the PROTECTION of its interests IN THE WORLD? What is the point of such statements?
  43. +6
    10 March 2013 09: 37
    Oh special operations forces !!! Yes you, ahem, excuse me, chase chtoli ??? Why do we need to create something else when we have our own special forces in every city in a detachment. And what are they doing all together ??? Yes nifiga. They sit and wait for the thread to break out, but once a year on a business trip for 3 months. This is while the TFR is still rustling, but it would not exist and what would they do ??? In my opinion, the creation of the next "special forces" is like cutting a budget ...
    1. +5
      10 March 2013 12: 17
      The very concept of Spetsnaz has depreciated, every filthy office now has its own "spetsnaz", I would not be surprised if a private laughing
  44. 120352
    +1
    10 March 2013 10: 45
    Specialists need a long time. But specialists need their own intelligence with undecrypted communications equipment. Using these forces, it would be possible to restore order in Tatarstan, Bashkiria, the North Caucasus, Transcaucasia, and indeed, wherever it is necessary to defend Russia's interests without proclaiming them out loud.
    If there were specialists, Kosovo would remain Serbian, and the Islamist advance into the territory of Christians could be reversed. Minus the leaders of a potential adversary in a timely manner - and the task is solved for several years ahead.
    But some specialists can not do. We need a sensible state, and a sober government, and a regime of absolute secrecy in the activities of specialists.
  45. +1
    10 March 2013 11: 17
    Establishment of order in the country should be carried out by special forces of the explosives, and outside it, as before the special forces of the GRU. All sorts of innovations begin to be invented - they have already been invented by everyone! New is well forgotten old. You simply wonder how the new bosses stubbornly step on the old rake.
    1. saved
      0
      10 March 2013 18: 16
      Everything is true, only behind this beautiful name of the MTR, is hiding the fact that, as it were, you can officially bring equipment with you as well. The main thing is that this is the will of the state, and not just a wiggle of a finger at the UN.
  46. 0
    10 March 2013 11: 47
    Quote: 120352
    But specialists need their own intelligence

    um-um, and then what did the GRU do? many have intelligence, even artillerymen, but why does intelligence have its own intelligence. get something like a nesting doll.
  47. +1
    10 March 2013 12: 10
    Quote: 120352
    Using these forces, it would be possible to restore order in Tatarstan, Bashkiria, the North Caucasus, Transcaucasia, and indeed, wherever it is necessary to defend Russia's interests without proclaiming them out loud.
    If there were specialists, Kosovo would remain Serbian, and the Islamist advance into the territory of Christians could be reversed. Minus the leaders of a potential adversary in a timely manner - and the task is solved for several years ahead.
    But some specialists can not do. We need a sensible state, and a sober government, and a regime of absolute secrecy in the activities of specialists.

    We have specialists even without the MTR, and it is impossible to restore order in these territories either by the current forces or by the future MTR. in order to really put things in order, we need to thoroughly quarrel with many international partners who are supporting the whole mess, and this is not profitable. therefore, we have to endure the mischief of our "friends", done by the hands of some of our unreasonable citizens.
    as for the government, it is now more than sober and sensible, which does not move along one particular pivot and doesn’t cut off the shoulder, but just sensibly makes the same chess moves. but unfortunately, they flirted with democracy, as they began at the EBN, they cannot stop like that. we have more democracy than all NATO countries combined.
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    10 March 2013 18: 07
    uizik,
    Establishment of order in the country should be carried out by special forces of the explosives, and outside it, as before the special forces of the GRU. All sorts of innovations begin to be invented - they have already been invented by everyone! New is well forgotten old. You simply wonder how the new bosses stubbornly step on the old rake.
    That's right, the names are only louder. The only thing that this name officially gives reason to interfere in all holes, with its technology to the heap.
  49. +2
    10 March 2013 20: 46
    The topic is probably serious and necessary, life dictates the need for such decisions, or create a new one or object to the old - the work of specialists.
    But the fact that the senior "Airsoft" was promoting half of the comments here, such fun ... only he didn't measure up with a pip ...
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    11 March 2013 00: 47
    Quote: Reserve lieutenant colonel
    Enough for the "cook to run the state."


    Ay Crassava! lol Are the present, of course, all exclusively with blue blood and all of princes and counts?
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      11 March 2013 06: 53
      I'm talking about the fact that everyone should go about their own business - what about you? Or were you offended as a child?
  51. phantom359
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    11 March 2013 01: 25
    Not a bad idea. The main thing is to bring the matter to the end, and not give it up, as often happens.
  52. gavana
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    11 March 2013 01: 30
    http://youtu.be/sARcbq_pT5Q
    Yahoo
  53. gavana
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    11 March 2013 01: 31
    http://youtu.be/sARcbqpT5Q
  54. gavana
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    11 March 2013 01: 32
    http://youtu.be/sARcbq_pT5Q
  55. +2
    11 March 2013 02: 51
    It's time for us to stop destroying everything and then creating it again. Was Alpha a bad unit? Or is Sigma bad? I would like our guys to never be set up like this again; they defended the country, and now they are trying to try them in some countries. I think Russia, as the legal successor of the country that they swore to protect, should fit in for them. It was a cry from the heart, and of course it is necessary to create and recreate it. A low bow to these guys who don’t promote themselves, don’t take bribes and are ready to risk their lives for the sake of the country.
  56. Bars90
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    11 March 2013 13: 38
    Russian "unstoppables"... Only cooler.
  57. Sokrat
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    11 March 2013 19: 00
    As I understand it, we are talking about creating a management (staff) structure. That's all the MTR, down to the penny. Let them try to create a brigade from scratch and even staffed with contract soldiers. They have already tried to create and staff the 130 Motorized Rifle Brigade, the result is disastrous, but the headquarters is easy.
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    21 March 2013 19: 51
    There are no more men left in Russia; the women will defend their homeland!
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      17 May 2013 07: 23
      zic judge by yourself - a hanger for pants?