Economy of Russia. It's time to move from words to action

According to official forecasts of the Ministry of Economic Development of Russia, the country's economy this year should grow by 3,6%. It should be noted that these forecasts were given at the end of last year. After the first two months of the year 2013, plans have to be semi-officially adjusted. In particular, according to the Deputy Minister of Economic Development Andrei Klepach, the country's economic growth is unlikely to exceed the bar in 3,3%. Economists, who today, let's say, are somewhat far from the current government, make even more modest forecasts. In particular, Alexei Kudrin, who himself had not long ago ruled the Russian financial sector, expresses confidence that 3% growth for the country's GDP following the results of 2013 can be considered a good result in the current economic conditions. Another opposition economist, Mikhail Delyagin, says that the current Russian economic system has exhausted itself so much that today even a hypothetically possible increase in energy prices does not give Russia any significant economic growth indicators.


On the one hand, the words of both Kudrin and Delyagin are close to the truth. It is hardly worth waiting for the once-announced seven percent annual economic breakthroughs. But only in this connection another question arises: didn’t Kudrin or Delyagin participate in the creation of the economic model by which modern Russia lives today?

For example, the same Mikhail Delyagin, with all due respect to him personally, at one time held very important posts and was one of those people who formed the Russian economic model. In 90, Mr. Delyagin was an economic adviser to President Yeltsin, adviser to Boris Nemtsov when he was the vice-premier of the Russian government, served as economic adviser to the government of Primakov and was a personal assistant to the head of the Cabinet of Ministers, Mikhail Kasyanov. With such a track record, which manifests itself in relation to Mikhail Delyagin, it turns out that either none of the above-mentioned authorities listened to his advice and did not need his help, or Mikhail G. himself was somewhat cunning, trying, as they say, to get out in the current conditions out of the water ...

And if Mikhail Delyagin on the economic scale of the country did not rise above the adviser and assistant on the power vertical, then Mr. Kudrin, who criticized the measures taken by the economists in power, for several years headed the Ministry of Finance. And to hear today that the current economic model of Russia is flawed, from the mouth of a person who has been building this system for many years - at least, somehow strange.
To argue with the fact that the economic model of modern Russia is not a fountain is pointless. But when words about a “bad economy” are heard from the lips of those people who, by virtue of their official duties, were themselves actually at the origins of the formation of this financial model, certain doubts creep in ... Maybe these people really recognized and rethought their previous mistakes, or not recognizing for themselves any mistakes and miscalculations, they again want to be on certain power levels. At the same time, the number of critical arrows addressed to today's Russian economic model by the mentioned citizens increases in proportion to their distance, so to speak, from the big cake.

However, there is a clear tendency according to which, in terms of criticism of the existing economic model, Aleksey Kudrin is trying to step on the throat of his own song. The reason for this, obviously, lies in his desire to be at the head of the Central Bank, which cannot be ruled out after the swift departure of Mr. Ignatiev, the current head of the Bank of Russia, from his post.

Mikhail Delyagin doesn’t come to the throat of his own song, because he understands: his chances of “catching” a significant state post are close to zero today. That is why Mikhail G. is free in his statements as a bird in flight and is free to say what he thinks about the state of the current Russian economy. As they say, there is nowhere to retreat — behind is advisory activity under Mr. Kasyanov ...

Nevertheless, one can listen to Delyagin’s words, at least for the reason that he graduated from the economics department of Moscow State University with honors, and later received his first candidate’s and then his doctoral degree in economics. It is these facts that give reason (discarding all the opposition pathos of Delyagin) to listen to his words about the state of affairs in the Russian economy today. And these words relate to the fact that in Russia from the beginning of the current year (at least the current one) negative processes have emerged, which in previous periods of economic development became the harbingers of financial turmoil. What are these processes?
One of them is that in Russia, for the first time since the 2008 crisis of the year, there has been a tendency to reduce freight traffic by rail. There are several reasons for this: the passing of the peak of Olympic construction projects in Sochi, the revision of transport logistics by large companies, the lack of clear plans for the development of the Russian railway network, and plans for the implementation of bilateral projects within the railway sector. For example, once again the project for the development of the Trans-Korean railway, which could connect the ports of South Korea with the ports of Western Europe through such transit countries as the DPRK and Russia, ordered to live a long time. He ordered, despite all the recent assurances of Pyongyang that the issue of developing the railway system with the help of Russian specialists will be resolved soon. It turns out that they are either deciding so far, or have already decided not in the way that Russia had planned ... Proceeding from this fact alone, Russia lost (or, so to say, received less) billions of dollars in potential investments, after all, the word about the huge transit railway power that links Asia -Pacific and North Atlantic, while remain words.

Here it is worth recalling that the process of reducing the level of cargo transportation by rail is not in vain. Indeed, in the 1998 year (in the pre-default period) and in the 2008 year (in the run-up to a large financial failure), it was the sharp decline in freight volumes that manifested itself in Russia faster than all the other negative points up to the subsidence of the ruble. It turns out that if the drop in freight traffic becomes a trend for several months, then economic shocks will again await us. I would like to think that this is not the case, and that this time we are reliably protected by the airbag in the form of consistently high oil prices and the availability of the Stabilization Fund, but ... After all, the wave of crisis (if it manifests itself again) is precisely in oil prices and hits. So it was in 2008, and in earlier periods. And if we take into account that even with oil prices at the level of 105-120 dollars per barrel, the Russian financial system cannot get out of the 3% growth, then hope that everything will be “ok” if prices fall, for example, below 75 dollars per barrel is not necessary. But will the Stabilization Fund withstand such a fall? - is also a big question. After all, if we consider that the lion’s share consists of investments in Western economies, from which the main crisis threat emanates, then hope somehow disappears altogether.

The most surprising thing is that not only opposition economists express words about the need for change in the country's economy. Many experts in the financial sphere, who are in power, are also actively talking about this. But so what's stopping you? .. The personal interest of certain gentlemen or some external lobby, or both? But if it interferes, then it is necessary to pull yourself together and overcome barriers, and not to deal only with the repeated designation of a problem, all the more so as it does not denote it today only hopelessly lazy.

But either they are being shy, or they are afraid to do something wrong ... Although, there would be something to fear ... After all, everything that was not so economically possible could be done has already been done. So: from words - to business, gentlemen economists. To the point.
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  1. lechatormosis
    lechatormosis 11 March 2013 08: 52 New
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    this verbiage has been going on for many years - as Comrade Gorbachev, the REFORMER used to say, the main thing is that the wolves are full and the number of ha ha sheep does not decrease.
    1. nycsson 11 March 2013 09: 15 New
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      negative It would be better to describe what Russia produces for the domestic and foreign markets. And there is nothing to boast about: oil, gas, rolled metal, etc. There is no industry. Our raw materials economy!
      1. Z.A.M. 11 March 2013 10: 07 New
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        nycsson
        Quote: nycsson
        It would be better to describe what Russia produces for the domestic and foreign markets.

        Here! Well posed question. Tell us what these
        "According to official forecasts of the Ministry of Economic Development of Russia, the country's economy this year should grow by 3,6%. "
        Already wrote - look at your clothes, everyday life, items of the first, but even the tenth, use - are there many domestic goods? ...
        So much for the interest ...
        1. nycsson 11 March 2013 12: 51 New
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          Z.A.M.,
          I apologize for the not so patriotic picture, but it reflects our reality! crying
          1. elmi 11 March 2013 18: 09 New
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            I’m wondering why, in our country with a commodity economy, there is no practice of distributing part of the income from sales of minerals among the population? Indeed, according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, natural resources are a public property, and the income from their use should belong to every Russian. The practice of distributing oil revenues exists in countries such as Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Alaska (USA). But in Russia there is not only oil and gas, many other minerals.
            Meanwhile, according to the Institute of Economics of the Russian Academy of Sciences, the explored mineral reserves of Russia are estimated at usd 320-380 trillion. It is easy to guess how we would live if our government adhered to a policy of distributing part of the proceeds from the sale of minerals. And most importantly - living richly for us, countries to join would be lined up for accession, perhaps even more than in the former Soviet Union
            1. El13 11 March 2013 19: 51 New
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              You get your portion with the opportunity to stay in this territory wassat
              Quote: elmi
              It is easy to guess how we would live if our government adhered to a policy of distributing part of the proceeds from the sale of minerals.

              Believe me, it’s difficult, it’s very difficult to guess what it would be ... it's like giving everyone a pension from birth, but then it will have to bite off from something (or from someone) ...
              1. elmi 11 March 2013 21: 45 New
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                quote = El13] You get your portion by the possibility of living in this territory [/ quote]
                I do not agree with you. It turns out, in your opinion, if there weren’t natural resources in Russia, would we not have the opportunity to live in Russia? But how does the whole world live? On the contrary, the state does not fully ensure the standard of living; in our country a simple locksmith receives less than the same locksmith working, for example, in Germany and other countries with a high standard of living. We live, raise children, pay taxes and much more to the benefit of Russia, and ensure our existence (if you can stay) without any portion [quote = El13] Believe me, it’s hard, very hard to guess what it would be ... it's like assigning all retirement from birth, but then it will have to bite off from something (or from someone) ... [/ quote]
                But it seems to me that the USSR would be squared! the borders of Russia would not be within the borders of the USSR but possibly further. Well, think for yourself if the Ukrainian, Belarusian, Kazakh, and all the nationalities of the former USSR would know that the standard of living in Russia exceeds their time 10-20, would they want to join Russia? I think the answer is obvious. Perhaps even Poland, Bulgaria, Romania wished to join some countries.
                [quote = El13] this is how to give everyone a pension from birth, but then it will have to bite off from something (or from someone) ... [/ quote]
                I think no one would have refused such a “pension”, and these expenses would have been covered from just part of the income from the sale of minerals. You don’t feel guilty that someone “bit off” money, that is, they cheated, for example, if you won the lottery
              2. elmi 11 March 2013 22: 00 New
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                Quote: El13
                You get your portion with the opportunity to stay in this territory

                I do not agree with you. It turns out, in your opinion, if there weren’t natural resources in Russia, would we not have the opportunity to live in Russia? But how does the whole world live? On the contrary, the state does not fully ensure the standard of living; in our country a simple locksmith receives less than the same locksmith working, for example, in Germany and other countries with a high standard of living. We live, raise children, pay taxes and much more to the benefit of Russia, and ensure our existence (as you can stay) without any portion
                Quote: El13
                Believe me, it’s difficult, it’s very difficult to guess what it would be ... it's like giving everyone a pension from birth, but then it will have to bite off from something (or from someone) ...

                But it seems to me that the USSR would be squared! the borders of Russia would not be within the borders of the USSR but possibly further. Well, think for yourself if the Ukrainian, Belarusian, Kazakh, and all the nationalities of the former USSR would know that the standard of living in Russia exceeds their time 10-20, would they want to join Russia? I think the answer is obvious. Perhaps even Poland, Bulgaria, Romania and some countries wished to join.
                Quote: El13
                but then it will have to bite off from something (or from someone) ...

                You don’t feel guilty if you won the lottery, so imagine that part of the income from minerals is this lifetime lottery
                1. El13 12 March 2013 01: 51 New
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                  In this world, nothing is taken from nowhere and doesn’t disappear, therefore, if we take part of the income from minerals (and we take in favor of the state), then exactly this part of the income of extractive companies is reduced, which means they do not have these funds and they can’t let, for example, intelligence and other things, they do not accumulate uncontrollably bare money. If we distribute to the population the part that we are taking now, then the state budget will decrease, with all that it implies. Once again, nothing is taken from nowhere and does not disappear without a trace. Defense, state employees, the development of the extractive companies themselves all feed on this, but they steal, but this is another problem.
                  1. elmi 12 March 2013 12: 38 New
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                    I partially agree with you. There are many examples of how other oil-producing countries live, how do they get out? and their people live without poverty and companies are developing. Yes, the country's budget is formed from mineral incomes, but didn’t you think that how many oligarchs’ revenues flow past the budget? But they are formed just from the income of minerals. After all, oil wells and companies are not owned by 100 as a percentage of the state, respectively, part of the revenues is taken by the state in the form of taxes, and most of it goes to the oligarch. So I had in mind that just the part that goes to the oligarchs could be given to the population, of course, minus the cost and expenses for mineral exploration.
                    1. El13 12 March 2013 14: 06 New
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                      Abramovich’s fortune is about 20 billion dollars, we divide them into 150 million Russians, we get about 4tyr. (thousand rubles), assign a pension of 4tyr. everybody and shrimp a month according to Abramovich ... how many of them do we have? how many years is enough?
                      1. elmi 12 March 2013 15: 54 New
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                        Why share the money of Abromovich who have already passed the budget. And then the oligarchs do not store all the money, they still use it, and no one knows this money. The average Alaskan resident receives usd 1 thousand per month only for the fact that gold is mined in the state, and childhood in the United Arab Emirates is provided with a total of usd 150 thousand deductions from oil sales. And after all after these payments nobody goes bankrupt there, but they live happily ever after
          2. elmi 11 March 2013 22: 20 New
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            One could add an outflow of human resources: a brain drain, a drain of children — adopt and take away, weakening of the gene pool — our beautiful women leave and ennoble other nations.
          3. kosmos44
            kosmos44 12 March 2013 02: 55 New
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            Quote: nycsson
            I apologize for the not so patriotic picture, but it reflects our reality! crying


            They don’t take offense at the truth (normal people). That's right. Even the humor in this country (somehow the language no longer turns to tell ours) has moved below the waist.
      2. Dragonmu
        Dragonmu 11 March 2013 10: 22 New
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        You are divorced from reality, in Russia they produce quite a lot of high-tech products for domestic consumption and the foreign market, just do not buy it often for political reasons (such as stopping the construction of nuclear power plants in Bulgaria -_-). http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/new here for optimism, of course, it’s difficult to compare the export of high-tech goods with a lot of money received from sales of resources, but the problem is with us from the USSR, and it is practically impossible to fix it in 5-10 years.
        1. kris 11 March 2013 11: 01 New
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          Quote: DragonMu
          Russia produces a lot of high-tech products for domestic consumption and the foreign market


          But can the numbers be voiced.?
          and more specifically in% max.
        2. Nicola 11 March 2013 11: 54 New
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          What are 5-10 years old? And not 20-23 years? Another question is how many years Germany and Japan rebuilt their economies after the Second World War? There is no desire to build something, the current system suits the apex of power, it’s easier to steal with impunity. What kind of optimism are we talking about?
          1. vyatom
            vyatom 11 March 2013 14: 42 New
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            Quote: Nicola
            There is no desire to build something, the current system suits the apex of power, it’s easier to steal with impunity. What kind of optimism are we talking about?

            What is true is true. They are trying something, but things are still there. So far, oil in price is not bad at all.
        3. evgenii67 11 March 2013 11: 55 New
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          Hello everyone!
          Quote: DragonMu
          You are divorced from reality, in Russia they produce quite a lot of high-tech products for domestic consumption and the foreign market, just do not buy it often for political reasons (such as stopping the construction of nuclear power plants in Bulgaria -_-). http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/new here for optimism, of course, it’s difficult to compare the export of high-tech goods with a lot of money received from sales of resources, but the problem is with us from the USSR, and it is practically impossible to fix it in 5-10 years.
          I beg you, you can certainly consider high-tech products that are produced on machines 60-80gg.belay We have high technology only in the military industry and in the field of energy, and in fact everything crying and then what I listed (mostly) is the last century. Russia sits on an oil and gas needle and somehow is in no hurry to get off it, apparently feeding for some compatriots is not bad, although for many citizens this does not give any advantage, gasoline at gas stations is almost 30 rubles. gas is also not cheap, to spend gas to a private house, you need to pay a tidy sum, although they say here they say gasification of the whole country blah blah blah
        4. nycsson 11 March 2013 13: 41 New
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          Quote: DragonMu
          Russia produces a lot of high-tech products for domestic consumption and the foreign market

          For example.........
          1. leon-iv 11 March 2013 14: 13 New
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            Nuclear power.
          2. Curculum 11 March 2013 14: 43 New
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            Quote: nycsson
            For example.........

            1. nycsson 11 March 2013 15: 53 New
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              Curculum,
              You can’t argue with that! I do not want to say anything, there is still something to be proud of, but this is not enough! hi
              1. Curculum 11 March 2013 19: 05 New
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                Quote: nycsson
                I do not want to say anything, there is still something to be proud of, but this is not enough!

                You asked for an example - I did it. But I strongly agree with you: this is not enough, but at the same time it is. drinks
              2. fzr1000 12 March 2013 00: 20 New
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                I do not want to look like a patriot, but:
                1. Furniture and raw materials for its manufacture (MDF, furniture. Panels), almost all domestic.
                2. Chickens, pork, partially and products from it.
                3. Household electronics (refrigerators, TV, washing machines) - a lot is going in Russia - in Kaliningrad, Kaluga and St. Petersburg. Yes, the matrices for TV are not our production, but the soldering of boards occurs in factories.
                4. Automobile assembly plants — here everyone roughly knows what is being done with us, what is not with us.
                5. Building materials.
                6. Pipe rolling.
                7. Medical equipment and medicines. Again, not the whole spectrum, but still.

                Surely, digging around, you can find more examples.
        5. demel2 11 March 2013 15: 04 New
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          More than ten years have passed since 1991.
      3. Alexander Romanov 11 March 2013 10: 25 New
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        Quote: nycsson
        Industry is not

        John THREE volts will come and tell you that we do not need plants.
        While there is a privatization of property that is not built by one’s own hands, such production facilities will serve. Only for profit. Our millionaires will not swell billions into the development of production facilities that will begin to generate profit in 10 years. It is not profitable.
        1. bddrus 11 March 2013 11: 38 New
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          Yes, it’s not a matter of millionaires - you have seen entrepreneurs (even storekeepers) who don’t want to “fight off” for a month and already get profit for the second. Seriously, in my opinion I’m considering half a year or a year on payback, only large projects can pay for about 10 years (and few people want to wait)
        2. nycsson 11 March 2013 12: 55 New
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          John THREE volts will come and tell you that we do not need plants.

          And he already said that! Like I'm glad that Russia does not produce all this consumer goods! wassat He has a short circuit! (short circuit) laughing
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Our millionaires will not begin to swell billions in the development of industries that will begin to bring profit in 10 years.

          Why swell in there, if you can buy for a dorm, remove all the cream and go bankrupt, while taking the profit out of the hill!
        3. Dmitry_2013
          Dmitry_2013 11 March 2013 13: 01 New
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          It is beneficial only to the state, it just has the means, only they have one answer to this - there is no effective management of state property.
          There is only one way out - not to save up for several years, then to give everything to the banks in a crisis, but to invest now in the development of backward industries, for example, engineering ... And also to give privileges to science-intensive business, in which the state itself is interested.
          1. vyatom
            vyatom 11 March 2013 14: 46 New
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            Quote: Dmitry_2013
            And also to give privileges to science-intensive business, in which the state itself is also interested.

            but is the current state interested or just pretending?
          2. Cheloveck
            Cheloveck 11 March 2013 16: 30 New
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            Quote: Dmitry_2013
            There is only one way out - not to save up for several years, then to give everything to banks in a crisis, but to invest now in the development of backward industries, for example, engineering ...

            Yes, our government cannot directly invest in industry. Would be glad, perhaps, but the law on the Central Bank does not give.

            A lot of interesting links for general development.
            http://www.rusidea.org/?a=33002
            1. Dmitry_2013
              Dmitry_2013 11 March 2013 16: 55 New
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              So who writes laws in our country? And here, many shout out that nationalization is still necessary ...
        4. aksakal 11 March 2013 21: 04 New
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          John THREE volts will come and tell you that we do not need plants.
          While there is a privatization of property that is not built by one’s own hands, such production facilities will serve. Only for profit. Our millionaires will not swell billions into the development of production facilities that will begin to generate profit in 10 years. It is not profitable.

          - Alexander, on the branch on the Central Bank and Ascetic, and I, and the VAF — in any case, the VAF and I have production — we noted that in rich Russia — we do not forget, in the coffers sent to the States as much as half a trillion (!) Dead raccoons - A terrible shortage of long cheap money. They are simply not there. Those loans that banks give - a maximum of one year at 15% per annum - this is for traders.
          Second, the trust of citizens in the state and the state in their citizens has not yet been developed. Hence the reluctance to invest heavily in Russia - the bureaucrat will take away, torture with checks, raider seizure, changing the rules of the game, changing customs rates, monetary reform .... Here Putin will not help either - with all the trust in him, this does not translate into trust in the state, headed by. Measures are needed to increase mutual trust.
          The third - sadly, poorly developed infrastructure and a shortage of personnel - specialists. Representatives of large IT companies say they would love to move out of crowded Moscow, IT companies are not so dependent on government corridors as raw and mining ... But IT personnel are only in a few Russian cities - in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kazan, Novosibe and several more. In the rest you will gain admins, not higher. Roads, transport, service - everything is there too ...
          1. aksakal 11 March 2013 21: 07 New
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            Fourth, I am again slipping into politics. Political weight directly affects the export of high-tech products. A vivid example - the smaller political weight of France - and its Rafale did not go for export. And the plane (I believe WAFU) is good. So, it’s not about the plane, it’s about political weight. And everyone takes the slop F-16. And they would take the MiG-35 (it’s indecent!), If it were in a series and a finished serial form. Because, along with weapons, they buy a little political assistance from the state from which they buy weapons. Syria would have bought up Chinese military systems -)))))))). Again, nuclear energy exports - Russia overtook the United States in the field of these technologies, but they can export only to a limited extent. States with their political weight put sticks in wheels.
            I don’t believe those traders who made billions of dollars of fortune in trade, like they will invest in Russia. Will not. They are used to freebies. Accustomed - threw the ruble - took out a hundred. Less is uninteresting. And if you need to plow - then that's it, Russia is an uninteresting place, I’m better if I need to work, I will work in the West. This generation of entrepreneurs needs to be driven to the neck, selected and driven to the neck. Most of these merchants are also representatives of other ethnic groups and are not embarrassed by the President to voice the demands of their ethnic group on transferring a valuable collection from the field of cultural heritage. At the same time remaining a Russian citizen. My friend, you would have handed over your passport before ... But somehow it’s not civilian ...
            Get the Russian military-industrial complex. It is necessary to pump up all successful defense industry enterprises with finances so that they diversify into the civilian sphere. VPKshniki are unaccustomed to easy schemes for receiving money, they are used to receiving them according to the scheme "Money -> R&D -> product -> money", a terribly long and laborious scheme, but the most useful for society and the state. The first swallow, however, a little lame, flew - Dry superjet. So far the only one.
            Here are just hope for the military-industrial complex. And the rest of the businessmen should be made clear - that’s it, end up in search of easy schemes to blow different bubbles, invest in production. No - measures will be taken to severely reduce intermediaries. Look at how many parasites comfortably crouched on the neck of peasants and townspeople - how many intermediaries between the garden and the counter on the city shelves.
            1. Ascetic 11 March 2013 21: 29 New
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              aksakal,

              Aksakal! Greetings. removed from the tongue ..
              Quote: aksakal
              Alexander, on the branch on the Central Bank and Ascet, and I, and the VAF - in any case, the VAF and I have with production


              I have nothing to do with production directly, but I have something to do with technology .. So any long-term technological project from the development stage to the final production and operation can be brought ONLY WITH STATE SUPPORT.
              The main problem is not in the commodity economy and not in the development of small business, but in the presence of long and cheap loans, more precisely in their absence, if it were otherwise, even despite our climatic conditions and geography, we would have long competed successfully with other countries. And without this, a small business is trade and mediation in the service sector, and industry-raw materials rocking where even extra profit is more profitable to invest not in production but in so-called liquid speculative papers of bankers from the Fed.
          2. fzr1000 12 March 2013 00: 22 New
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            If you sweat, you can take money at 17-19% for five years. But, even 5 years is not a deadline for investment.
      4. Dmitry_2013
        Dmitry_2013 11 March 2013 10: 34 New
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        Yes, the problem is not only in industry. There is no small business, and those who call themselves "small business" today are traders in markets and kiosks who do not create added value, but generate added value, thereby developing inflationary processes in the economy.
        Many developed countries rely on small and medium-sized businesses, and we have only traders in Chinese consumer goods, and not business ...
        1. kris 11 March 2013 11: 03 New
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          Quote: Dmitry_2013
          Many developed countries rely on small and medium-sized businesses, and we have only traders in Chinese consumer goods, not business ..


          Have you tried to do business yourself?
          1. Dmitry_2013
            Dmitry_2013 11 March 2013 12: 52 New
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            In my 23 I do not have the opportunity to do ...
            There are ideas, but I plan to implement them as part of the main work
            PS in the company I’m doing development
            1. baltika-18 11 March 2013 14: 09 New
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              Quote: Dmitry_2013

              In my 23 I do not have the opportunity to do ...
              There are ideas, but I plan to implement them as part of the main work
              PS in the company I’m doing development

              Dima is 23, I am 48, and I have been doing business for 10 years, except for 4 years of either business or semi-gangsterism in the 90s (1996-2000). And during this time I came to the conclusion that we first need nationalization raw materials, mechanical engineering, large chemistry, energy and transport, as well as a decrease in the Central Bank's refinancing rate to the level of 1-2%, because interest rates on loans depend on it. We now have a Central Bank rate of 8,5%, lending rates from 13 to 20 %. I give an example: I an entrepreneur took a loan to replenish the turnover for a year at 15%. Where do I transfer these percentages? Of course to the price of finished products. And everyone does it. Therefore, we have inflation in the country and goes at the level of lending rates. And government statements about the inflation rate of 6-7% is a lie, blowing dust in the eyes. Well, it can’t be lower than the Central Bank’s refinancing rate under all economic laws. Ideally, the Central Bank’s rate should be zero, loans 1-3%, and together with nationalization it’s socialism with elements of a capitalist economy. For which I advocate.
              1. Dmitry_2013
                Dmitry_2013 11 March 2013 14: 47 New
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                And during this time I came to the conclusion that, first of all, we need the nationalization of raw materials, engineering, large chemistry, energy and transport,

                Are you not afraid that your business will be nationalized? winked
                It's not so simple, it’s easy to select more precisely, but it’s difficult to manage effectively.
                Do you manage your own business?
                I give an example: I an entrepreneur took a loan to replenish the turnover for a year at 15%. Where do I transfer these percentages? Of course on the price of finished products

                Will they only buy from you after this increase? And what is your cost of equity? Lever arm?
                It is too early to draw a conclusion on attracting additional financing, especially to working capital, at one CB rate, although the question of the share and financing scheme of current and non-current assets ...
                PS shifting to the price in a competitive environment is quite dangerous. You should always look at your own profitability and compare it with the price of borrowing. smile
                1. baltika-18 11 March 2013 15: 59 New
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                  Quote: Dmitry_2013
                  And do not be afraid that your business will be nationalized

                  No, I'm not afraid ....... I have it is not strategic ........

                  Quote: Dmitry_2013
                  Will they only buy from you after this increase?

                  This is a system ...... Distribution during a leasing period, not a one-time increase.
                  Quote: Dmitry_2013
                  shifting to the price in a competitive environment is quite dangerous.

                  We have competition, and prices are rising because the system works. We have a system of "loan interest", and it works simply and efficiently in the interests of a narrow circle of people. And everything else
                  Quote: Dmitry_2013
                  the question of the share and financing scheme of current and non-current assets ...

                  Quote: Dmitry_2013
                  you need to look at your own profitability and compare it with the price of borrowing.

                  Verbiage and dusting of brains.
                  1. Dmitry_2013
                    Dmitry_2013 11 March 2013 16: 46 New
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                    This is not verbiage, but financial analysis. Actually, owners of self-respecting banks also do this.
                    And if this is not known to you, then the entire main part of world science can be called verbiage laughing
                    No, I'm not afraid ....... I have it is not strategic .......

                    Tell this to those whose relatives the Reds have dispossessed ... they can tell you a lot ...
                    PS Now it’s not a dashing 90, as you wrote above, there are many fairly good courses in financial analysis, go through it, it will not hurt you as an owner ...
                    And they didn’t answer about the management ... do you manage it yourself or not?
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                      Dmitry_2013 11 March 2013 17: 04 New
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                      And about financial leverage, financing schemes and the like.
                      I also do this, I WORK, it is NECESSARY to the owner when the task is to raise funds.
                2. Moritz
                  Moritz 11 March 2013 23: 42 New
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                  Are you not afraid that your business will be nationalized? winked

                  as soon as it comes to the nationalization of strategic enterprises, bullying begins immediately, they say, your small-medium business can be taken away. Therefore, privatization will not be revised, as our GDP says
              2. vyatom
                vyatom 11 March 2013 14: 49 New
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                Quote: baltika-18
                First of all, we need the nationalization of raw materials, engineering, large chemistry, energy and transport, as well as a reduction in the Central Bank's refinancing rate to 1-2%, because interest rates on loans depend on it

                That's right, dear. I think that we will come to nationalization sooner or later all the same, because this is inevitable due to the tendency of development of economic relations throughout the world.
                1. Dmitry_2013
                  Dmitry_2013 11 March 2013 15: 30 New
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                  this is inevitable due to the tendency of development of economic relations throughout the world

                  Can you tell me in which developed countries such trends are observed?
                  We seem to be heading towards a market economy, or am I mistaken?
                  In Europe and Japan, similar rates, and what, is everything already nationalized there?
                  1. fzr1000 12 March 2013 00: 37 New
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                    Where are similar rates in Japan? She is there now 0%. In Europe, Spain is not the most prosperous country. 0,75% What are you talking about?
                    Regarding nationalization, in the know, what happens is temporary or forced nationalization? A recent example is the 2009 nationalization of Hypo Real Estate (MRE) mortgage agency in Germany and 2008 in the USA Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
                    And in Norway, a market economy, but the fuel and energy complex is completely state-owned.
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                      Dmitry_2013 12 March 2013 08: 09 New
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                      as well as a decrease in the Central Bank's refinancing rate to the level of 1-2%

                      I mean about this, that tends to 0. The same thing in Europe.
              3. WS
                WS 11 March 2013 17: 22 New
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                Is the business still paying kickbacks for the roof? So for fun, I'm waiting for an answer.
                1. komendor 11 March 2013 17: 38 New
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                  Pays but not quite for the roof. And so that the authorities do not shut it down - officials.
          2. Dmitry_2013
            Dmitry_2013 11 March 2013 13: 08 New
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            Our today's traders are yesterday's speculators.
            In the USSR this was restrained, but now they don’t want to, so it turns out:
            in Ivanovo, for example, bed linen costs 300-500 rubles, while in other regions it is sold at 2, or even 3 times more expensive. And who benefits from this? It turns out that they brought in, they want a fee 2-3 times more than the one who produced this product. ABSURD!
      5. UAZ Patriot 11 March 2013 10: 47 New
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        "Either these people really acknowledged and rethought their previous mistakes, or, not recognizing any mistakes and miscalculations, they again want to be on certain power levels." TOLI OPERATED IN THE INTERESTS OF A FOREIGN FOUNDER - SO, AND RAW MATERIALS! HERE AND ARRIVED.
      6. Tektor 11 March 2013 11: 50 New
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        Now it’s warm with me - it’s a domestic producer that does, electricity to work all kinds of things and to go online - also, an apartment, cold gives a domestic unit, boots, trousers and ..., we won’t specify that, - again. If you look closely, it turns out that, as it were, inconspicuous things, but without which you can not do - all domestic. Well, the so-called "peep" attributes - for some reason, everyone has heard, but, in fact, nobody needs them in FIG. Actually, a person doesn’t need much ...
      7. komendor 11 March 2013 12: 27 New
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        Hello. Come to our Urals, we do not have enough hard workers. Work above the roof and at the same time different. But there are no specialists, we need machine operators and storekeepers, engineers, tractor drivers, seamstresses .... yes, many can be listed. NO SPECIALISTS. I know that this is also the case in Siberia. But people come to us from Moldova, Bulgaria, in short, from the central regions and the south, on the contrary they say little work and a lot of workers. We’re not calling to ourselves. Wow got excited
        1. GP
          GP 11 March 2013 14: 29 New
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          Quote: komendor
          Hello. Come to our Urals, we do not have enough hard workers. Work above the roof and at the same time different. But there are no specialists, we need machine operators and storekeepers, engineers, tractor drivers, seamstresses .... yes, many can be listed. NO SPECIALISTS


          An acute shortage of specialists - yes. People with almost zero experience and basic education are already recruiting, they determine in the place whether they can make a specialist or not, the main thing is that he wants to work. Moreover, they do not squeeze with patches as in the 90s and 00s.
        2. vyatom
          vyatom 11 March 2013 14: 50 New
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          What salaries do you have?
          1. GP
            GP 11 March 2013 15: 14 New
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            What salaries do you have?

            Workers have 150-180 r / h at a rate of production.
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              itkul 11 March 2013 19: 19 New
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              Workers have 150-180 r / h at a rate of production.


              Something is not thick 150x8 = 1200r per day, in the month of 21 working days total 1200x21 = 25200
              1. GP
                GP 11 March 2013 19: 46 New
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                Not dense, but not empty. Objectively, either experience a year of work, or vocational school, 3-4 category. Skilled 2-4 times more. Highly qualified ... without a clue ... these are not recognized, but clearly not in poverty.
          2. komendor 11 March 2013 17: 45 New
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            We machine operators, on simple machines, high category receive about 60 TR
            CNC operators 40, adjusters and programmers 50-60 TR But even on such zp go very poorly either in years or no longer hunting. And young people get less. They have no one to teach. Yes, and basically they want to CNC.
        3. WS
          WS 11 March 2013 17: 31 New
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          Hello. Come to our Urals, we do not have enough hard workers. Work above the roof and at the same time different. But there are no specialists, we need machine workers and storekeepers, engineers, tractor drivers, seamstresses It’s hard to work on these specialties, it’s easier as an office manager.
          1. Hon
            Hon 12 March 2013 09: 58 New
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            Quote: WS
            Hello. Come to our Urals, we do not have enough hard workers. Work above the roof and at the same time different. But there are no specialists, we need machine workers and storekeepers, engineers, tractor drivers, seamstresses It’s hard to work on these specialties, it’s easier as an office manager.

            Which RFP?
      8. ziqzaq 11 March 2013 12: 55 New
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        There is no industry. Our raw materials economy!

        The farther into the forest, the thicker the partisans .....
        These "gurus" from the economy are shouting more and more about change, but they just do nothing and cannot do it. Their owners will not allow ...
        Glazyev with the team would listen ...........
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          Their owners will not allow ...

          That's for sure!
        2. vyatom
          vyatom 11 March 2013 14: 51 New
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          And where did Glazyev go by the way?
      9. Bob
        Bob 11 March 2013 18: 15 New
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        There is no industry.

        The backbone of the Russian economy was formed during the Soviet Union, during the division of which the backbone lost many associated production chains. Secondly, this ridge had and still has a bias towards the military-industrial complex. However, after perestroika, privatization, conversion, and other liberal reforms, the rest of the 10 thousand enterprises have more or less healthy ones - 1 thousand. Actually, they can be hoped for in terms of rapid development and only if they are provided with legal protection against any the sort of raiders and bribe-takers, as well as a long-term state order with reliable financing of R&D, production, social programs. The state is vitally interested in the development of the military-industrial complex in view of the dumbering materiel in the armed forces and the navy. I believe that the revival of the military-industrial complex is the resuscitation of the “dead” TERMINATOR, which will definitely rise from the fallen, while ensuring employment of the population, replenishing regional budgets, and most importantly - PROTECTING THE MOTHER'S Sovereignty with new powerful weapons.
        If we also take into account the export potential of our industry, as well as the prospects of the raw materials industry, then this is the economic growth that can provide the necessary economic and social sustainability of the country's development for a relatively long term.
        In order to bring this to life (from words to deeds), the system of national economic planning should also be recreated in order to take into account all the distortions and shortcomings of the transition period of the country's development.
      10. late
        late 11 March 2013 20: 02 New
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        You equate metal rental to gas and wood, but you can’t! To get rolled products, you need a plant with a full metallurgical cycle - to extract ore and coal, produce sinter and coke from them, smelter cast iron from them, melt it into steel, get slabs from it, and get slabs from it. And now also with polymer coating hire is on. Minus to you, comrade! )))
      11. Xunta 12 March 2013 14: 30 New
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        Yes, let him sell raw materials with him ... but at least they would produce any consumer goods on the domestic market, they would tear up these Kipai toys, rags, etc. It infuriates that with 2-3 resellers + transportation across a quarter of the globe, goods are cheaper and better than our counterparts.
    2. Prokop 11 March 2013 09: 41 New
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      Quote: lehatormoz
      this verbiage has been going on for many years - as Comrade Gorbachev, the REFORMER used to say, the main thing is that the wolves are full and the number of ha ha sheep does not decrease.

      Least of all the Gorbachev reformists were interested in keeping the livestock ha ha sheep!
      1. ughhh
        ughhh 11 March 2013 11: 10 New
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        And the sheep, as they were then, bleated, and now. Only in the 90s, frightened, perplexed, and now bold notes are already cutting through, any claims have appeared. It turns out that each sheep individually and the whole herd at once, everything around must do something. But understanding what is often zero. Desires and aspirations to change something - zero.
        Who owes you something, me? Maybe Putin? Oh well...
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          755962 11 March 2013 11: 27 New
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          However, there is a clear tendency according to which, in terms of criticism of the existing economic model, Aleksey Kudrin is trying to step on the throat of his own song. The reason for this, obviously, lies in his desire to be at the head of the Central Bank, which cannot be ruled out after the swift departure of Mr. Ignatiev, the current head of the Bank of Russia, from his post.

          About the Russian central bank, and how Russia is gradually becoming a normal country

          http://mixednews.ru/archives/32797
        2. vyatom
          vyatom 11 March 2013 14: 55 New
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          Who owes you something, me? Maybe Putin? Oh well...

          In order to do something, a favorable economic climate is needed, as the businessman wrote above. In the meantime, we have a high refinancing rate, high inflation and huge tariffs for electricity, gas, gasoline, it’s very, very difficult to do something yourself. And at the head of all this is Putin and his team. Of course, there are no questions for you ughhh, but there are very many questions to the government.
          1. ughhh
            ughhh 11 March 2013 15: 46 New
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            but the government is very much there

            This is very good when the questions are clearly formulated, the goal is visible, the means and possibilities are obvious. Even better, when there is movement and a good idea moves from the information field to the implementation stage.
            We need to think more broadly, Russians can and love it. This feature only atrophied in the 90s. They think shallowly, down-to-earth, with some pissing categories, such as gas and gas prices, whether or not Serdyukov will be imprisoned. It’s all everyday life, like sand in hands. Tomorrow prices will fall, happiness +1? Serdyukov shot, happiness +2? Is it that simple?
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    Nevertheless, one can listen to Delyagin’s words for the very reason that he graduated with honors from the Economics Department of Moscow State University, and subsequently received his first and then doctorate degrees in economics.

    Just for that reason, I don’t really want to listen to Delyagin’s words - it would be better instead of crusts, beautiful and different, if a person would work in the factory - there would be no more benefits ... But alas, Mikhail Gennadievich, before he had finished Moscow State University enlisted as experts in a group of experts under the chairman of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR. Since then I went to the experts.
    Accordingly, he does not know anything about the real sector of the economy.
    With Kudrin, alas, about the same.
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    And what? A voice in the wilderness? Not a damn thing will change. Until there is a change of consciousness.
  4. Goga
    Goga 11 March 2013 09: 00 New
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    Quote - "... from words - to the point, gentlemen, economists. To the point." - Is this the "economists" in the current government? Yes, and even capable of embarking on a "case"? There, as before, and now there are only “monetarists”, “the market itself will put everything in its place ...”, “the private owner is more effective than the state ...” - and with such mantras to get to work? So, as in an old joke, they are sitting in a standing carriage with curtained windows, slightly swaying the carriage and sentencing - we are going, going ....
    And our Southern neighbors - China and India at that time are incrementing 7-9% per year ...
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      Quote: Gogh
      "a private owner is more efficient than a state ..."

      These words are refuted by EVEN TV, albeit inadvertently.
      9 March on the 1 channel was the transfer of "Clever Girls", dedicated to the history of railway construction in Russia.
      One of the questions: “How did the Moscow-Kursk railway differ from other roads of that time during construction?”
      The correct answer is: “Quality and price. It was first built by the state and, unlike private entrepreneurs, who plundered everything and without any conscience, the quality of construction of the Moscow-Kursk railway turned out to be immeasurably higher, and the price of construction was significantly lower. ”
      Practice, as is known, is the criterion of truth. But liberal economists are not familiar with it.
      It grieves that government men also neglect historical economic and life experience.
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        Is Russian Railways an effective company? She is state, where is the quality, price ???
        1. leon-iv 11 March 2013 14: 20 New
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          Yes, effective, especially if you take the freight.
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          Russian Railways is not a state-owned company.
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            Igor, you are wrong. Russian Railways is the successor of the Ministry of Railways. Its main shareholder is the Russian government. Here is a recent quote from the head of Russian Railways Yakunin: "Privatization of a controlling stake in OAO Russian Railways (RZD) is not being discussed."

            Only, apparently, our friend OleOleg is still in echelons and heatwoofers moving around the country, because he lacks quality ... Well, and about the price - you might think that we have private owners (for example, air carriers) are offered to fly for pennies. ..
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              At least on an airplane, you can not take interchangeable pants with you
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              Found read agreed. Me means misled.
  5. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 11 March 2013 09: 00 New
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    It is strange why such idiots like Kudrin are constantly heard and in the press. And such economists as Marat Musin, and Sergey Gubanov, only on special resources on the network. Incidentally, in economic science people are famous and not only in Russia. How much does the government ignore their analytics and economic recommendations? Maybe because they are focused on the development of the national economy, industry, and not just on the sale of natural resources.
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      djon3volta 11 March 2013 09: 16 New
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      Quote: vladsolo56
      It is strange why such idiots like Kudrin are constantly heard and in the press. And such economists as Marat Musin, and Sergey Gubanov, only on special resources on the network

      Yesterday there was a broadcast on RBC about information wars and black PR, bloggers, about various negative news about Russia, who benefits from it and who orders these articles, who merges info, how many posts are in LiveJournal and on what topic. Articles in LiveJournal or Internet media cost from 10 thousand to 10 million rubles, depending on whom you want to untwist and who they want to discredit. Do you think Navalny will defame United Russia or Bystrykin for free? Yeah, no matter how! It’s all done for money and there are customers of such posts and a statistician. then it is picked up by trolls and small bloomers and begin to post all the negative on Runet already free, they say we are for Russia, we are patriots, we must expose everyone, they are thieves and swindlers wassat Have you ever seen Navalny’s post about a dairy built or a new ship launched? Didn’t you see? I, too laughing
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        . you think Navalny will defame United Russia or Bystrykin for free? yeah, no matter how!

        Are we discussing Navalny here? Or maybe Volodin wants to overthrow someone in this article? Eugene, calm down; "there are no dogs here." This article is not related
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        trolls and small fleas

        This article may not be in-depth research, but certainly it is not
        Quote: djon3volta
        information wars and black PR, bloggers, about various negative news about Russia
        1. Alexander Romanov 11 March 2013 10: 27 New
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          Quote: Normal

          This article may not be in-depth research, but certainly it is not

          Volodin glanced at the holy criticism of the Russian economy. John doesn’t forgive this. laughing
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            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Volodin glanced at the holy criticism of the Russian economy. John doesn’t forgive this.

            I want to cry, not laugh, honestly! And then we wonder why we live so poorly? request Yes, because our country is inhabited by John 3 volts, who have nothing in their heads! laughing
            There you have it, Alexander, a concrete example! Now I am reading a book: General Economic Theory, section Political Economy. The author writes, in the USA, a family that spends more than 1 / 3 of the family budget on food is a family living below the poverty line !!! And he gives an example, if income in 10500 with something dollars, then this is super poverty, if in 11200 with something, then this is poverty! Then, in relation to them, all sorts of social programs, such as a free lunch, etc. begin to work.
            I'm thinking about all this 10500 $ x 30.763 = 323011 rubles per year. Divide by 12 months and get 26917 rubles per month !!! Are there many Russian families with such income? And this is in a country where the entire periodic table! request
            1. Alexander Romanov 11 March 2013 13: 27 New
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              Yes, because our country is inhabited by John 3 volts, who have nothing in their heads!

              Well, why it’s empty, there are as many as 3 volts. And this is no longer a void, but a lack of voltage in the network laughing
              Quote: nycsson
              I’m thinking about all this. 10500 $ x 30.763 = 323011 rubles a year. Divide by 12 months and get 26917 rubles per month !!!

              John needs to ask this question, John knows EVERYTHING! wink
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                djon3volta 11 March 2013 15: 07 New
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                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                John needs to ask this question, John knows EVERYTHING!

                yes I know because I watch it laughing



                But what about America? Well, listen then wassat
                Salary in America compared to salary in Russia

                Here in Russia, all our ears buzzed about the American standard of living. In fact, the standard of living in America is 10 times lower than in Moscow. Do not believe? Let's compare.

                The salary of the majority of the population is 6-7 dollars per hour. There are also 3-4 dollars per hour. But if you have suffered for a long time, say, a year, then you will get a salary of $ 6 per hour (clean it is 5) or even $ 7 per hour (it’s clean 6,25). And in a month it will be 1000 dollars. But this is rare. Basically, the salary is about $ 800. Then it all depends on where you live:

                If you live with three roommates in a room (not in an apartment!), You don’t have a phone and you are taken to work (to a construction site, for example), then yes, you only spend $ 150 for a place in the room and 100 for food. You can save 750 a month. Anyway, there are small expenses and put off 500-600. In this case, of course, you live like a slave, but you will earn something.

                If you rent a room ($ 300 per month) and have a phone (and life is almost impossible there without a phone), then you spend $ 60-80 on a phone, plus $ 63 for travel (single), plus $ 100 for meals. If you do not call home, do not smoke, it turns out 300 + 80 + 63 + 100 = 543 dollars. It seems to be 450 dollars from a thousand. But in fact, additional expenses are incurred every month (you pay $ 30-40 for getting certificates and documents, and somewhere else; you won’t get away from these expenses). Actually a month you can set aside 200-250 dollars from a thousand. If you get 800 (which is most often) - nothing can be postponed. In addition, I spent a month looking for work - I lived 600 dollars, I gave 300 dollars for employment - try to work it all out !. Actually 100-200-250 dollars are postponed per month. What can be allowed on them? In America, almost nothing. Medical insurance - 300-400 dollars per month, car insurance - 2000 per year (150 per month), movie ticket - 50 dollars, clothes - any item - 30-40 dollars. What can I afford for $ 200? They just melt.
                1. djon3volta
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                  It is already impossible to rent an apartment. The apartment costs $ 650 the worst. For 650 this is a "studio", that is, a room in which there is a kitchen, toilet and a separate entrance. And such apartments as ordinary one-bedroom apartments in Khrushchev’s in Moscow cost $ 1200-1500 each. In addition, to live in such apartments, you need good documents. Such houses as “Khrushchevs” are considered luxury in America, they are called “buildings”, they are chosen, only those who have impeccable documents and a salary of at least 2000-3000 per month. Most of them live in rural plywood (not even plywood, but from asbestos slabs) houses, with cockroaches, in the mud. The walls of such houses are pushed with your finger, you can push the nail into the wall with your hand (and hang one jacket on it, and if you hang two jackets, the nail will fall out), and through the walls it is perfectly audible when a neighbor invites a “boyfriend” (lover) for the night. At the same time, all the neighbors are pouring ceilings and the walls are swinging, and in the mornings everyone asks her to move the bed away from the wall, otherwise the house will not stand, and let out a little quieter. In such homes, 99 percent of Americans live. Very few people live in skyscrapers. Firstly, the skyscrapers themselves are few. Skyscrapers stand in "downtown" - a small area in the city center, occupying only a few streets. And the rest of the city is such asbestos houses. And in skyscrapers or just in tall houses there are offices. If taken as a percentage, then maybe 5% of the entire city is occupied by tall houses (more than 3 floors), the remaining 95% are village antediluvian houses made of asbestos slabs, with mud, cockroaches and rats. Everyone lives in such houses. And so in all of America. Very few people live luxuriously, as in Russia - in five-story or nine-story houses. A typical American city looks like this - if you draw a circle with a diameter of 5 cm and imagine that it is a typical American city, then skyscrapers will occupy only a circle with a diameter of 0,5 cm in the center. The rest is village antediluvian houses. That's it. There are probably somewhere steep areas for the very, very rich. But I am not familiar with the rich.

                  And so, in order to afford what a person who gets $ 50 a month can afford in Moscow, in America you need to get $ 5000 a month. So earn only engineers or highly paid specialists such as programmers, doctors.

                  And what is 5000 a month in America? 38% are selected immediately for taxes (it is believed that a large income, therefore, large taxes). It remains a little more than 3000. For the apartment you will give 1000-1200, for heating, electricity - another 100, for the phone - another 80. Remains 1800. For the medical insurance you give 400 - 1400 remains. For food 100 - 1300 remains. For the car insurance you give 200 - it remains 1200. For fines (they always run because there is such a system) you will give another 100-150 (all motorists say that it doesn’t work less if you have a car). And since you studied to get 5000, you took a loan, for which you need to give another 300-400 each month. There are 800 left. Here on these 800 you can somehow more or less live similarly to life in Russia. For example, at the very least, feed a family.

                  But 5000 per month is very few people get. Moscow has more people earning $ 5000 a month than New York. That is, there are almost none there.
                  1. WS
                    WS 11 March 2013 17: 49 New
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                    I am impressed by this comment, as in childhood after reading Dunno on the moon!
                    1. kris 11 March 2013 21: 12 New
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                      Quote: WS

                      I am impressed by this comment, as in childhood after reading Dunno on the moon!

                      Half a century ago, one of the most famous children's writers knew who received a state award (N.K. Krupskaya State Prize of the RSFSR / rus001) for his trilogy about a funny boy - a boaster and a liar), that his last novel was a fairy tale that ridiculed the vices of the capitalist world unknown to the Soviet reader will become more relevant than ever already at home, after the collapse of the USSR? Here are excerpts from the final series of "historical epic" by Nikolai Nosov, illustrated with photographs of our days.
                      The robbers brought to the police department denied their guilt, claiming that they had not seen any suitcase, had not robbed any bank, or even thought to rob. Asked by police commissioner Pschigl why they needed, in this case, to shoot at police cars, they said that they did not know that they were being pursued by police, but, on the contrary, thought that bandits were chasing them. The police commissioner said that all this was dodging, since distinguishing a policeman from a bandit is not so difficult. In response to this, the gunman said that the current policeman cannot be distinguished from a bandit, since the police often act in concert with the bandits, while the bandits dress up in police uniforms to make it easier to rob. As a result, an honest little man is completely indifferent to who is in front of him: a bandit or a policeman.
                      (Photo - Andrey Makhonin / Vedomosti)
                      1. nycsson 11 March 2013 21: 40 New
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                        kris,
                        Wrong picture you posted! laughing I'll fix it now! laughing
                2. nycsson 11 March 2013 15: 59 New
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                  In fact, the standard of living in America at 10 times lower than in Moscow.

                  Just do not need to compare the standard of living in Moscow and the rest of Russia! It has long been known that Moscow is the most expensive city in the world.
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                    djon3volta 11 March 2013 17: 15 New
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                    Just do not need to compare the standard of living in Moscow and the rest of Russia!

                    Listen, why are you tormented in Russia, I don’t understand you, everything is ruined in Russia, all beggars, corruption, murders, Caucasians + Asians, no roads and industry killed, the army is ruined, the fleet is destroyed, why are you tormented by Russia ??? E F G H A J where is better fellow why are you torturing yourself so poor poor laughing Well, you see how everything is bad in Russia, you yourself confirm this with your posts and pictures !!! why don't you go where it is better? at least in the same America, smtri there are huge salaries fellow it’s hard and bad to live in Russia, you realize this, why are you kidding yourself?
                    1. kris 11 March 2013 21: 16 New
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                      I am impressed by this comment, as in childhood after reading Dunno on the moon!

                      CONTINUED
                      “Don’t be angry with Dryaning, brother,” said the first. - He's a good little man. Our true benefactor. So in the newspapers they write.
                      Photo: Mikhail Metzel / AP
                    2. nycsson 11 March 2013 21: 44 New
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                      Listen, why are you suffering in Russia,

                      And who told you that it is I who am suffering? I'm more or less all right! It's a shame for the country!
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                      why don't you go where better?

                      Because this is my homeland, which I love! But you don’t understand this, if you ask such questions! negative
                  2. kris 11 March 2013 21: 14 New
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                    Quote: WS
                    I am impressed by this comment, as in childhood after reading Dunno on the moon!

                    CONTINUED
                    “Mind, kindness, honesty, we are not valued in anything”

                    “Why do the rich have so much money?” - surprised Dunno. “Can a rich man eat a few million?”
                    - “Eat”! - Kozlik snorted. - If only they ate! The rich man will satiate his belly, and then he will begin to saturate his vanity.
                    “What vanity is this?” - Do not understand Dunno.
                    - Well, this is when you want others to throw dust in their nose. For example, one rich man will build himself a big house, and the other will look and say: “Ah, you built such a house, and I will eat twice as much!” One will get a cook and a footman, and the other will say: “Well, I’ll get not only a cook for myself and a footman, and also a doorman. ” One will hire a dozen servants, and the other says: “Well, I’ll hire two dozen, and besides that I will put a fireman in a helmet in my yard under a canopy.” One will start three cars, the other will immediately start five. He also boasts: “I, he says, is better than him. He has only three cars, and I have five. ” Everyone, you understand, wants to show that he is better than others, and since our intellect, kindness, honesty are not valued at all, they boast of each other only wealth. And then there is no limit.

                    Photo: Denis Grishkin / Vedomosti
            2. leon-iv 11 March 2013 14: 18 New
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              Are there many Russian families with such income? And this is in a country where the entire periodic table!
              In fact, more if you take the family income. for 13 thousand is not difficult to get.
              But then again, everything is interesting with ZP, I'm talking about Amers.
              there is a book Cool America read chapter 15 it is very well written where and where the income goes.
              1. nycsson 11 March 2013 16: 00 New
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                In fact, more if you take the family income. for 13 thousand is not difficult to get.

                It depends where! In the regional center it’s not difficult, but try to get in the regional center!
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                  but in the district try to get it!

                  Yes, no question people get more.
                  1. kris 11 March 2013 21: 24 New
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                    I am impressed by this comment, as in childhood after reading Dunno on the moon!

                    CONTINUED
                    "Money wholly owned it."
                    If other rich people completely owned their money, used it for their whims and pleasures, then with regard to Scuperfield one could say that money completely owned it. He was completely in their power, was at his money a humble servant. He diligently cherished the shore and grew his capitals, not having from them at least the most insignificant benefit for himself. Nobody, however, saw anything particularly abnormal in the behavior of Scuperfield, since in a society where money was considered the most valuable, such behavior seemed natural, and it never occurred to anyone that Mr. Scuperfield should have been taken to a doctor for a long time and treated him with the same care , with which treat every injured in the mind.

                    In the photo: One of the Moscow office buildings, 12 March 2008
                    Photo: Maxim Stulov / Vedomosti

                    Read in full in the newspaper Vedomosti.
                  2. nycsson 11 March 2013 21: 46 New
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                    Yes, no question people get more.

                    You want to say that everyone gets more? I strongly doubt it.
                2. kris 11 March 2013 21: 20 New
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                  I am impressed by this comment, as in childhood after reading Dunno on the moon!

                  CONTINUED
                  “What difference does it make if they rob me or not the law?”
                  The spikelet, recovering from fright, began on what the world should scold the police, calling them thugs, pirates, bandits, mad parasites and cattle.
                  - And who are these policemen? - asked herring.
                  - Bandits! - said Spikelet with irritation. - Honestly, bandits! In fact, the duty of the police is to protect the population from robbers, but in reality they protect only the rich. And the rich are the real robbers. They only rob us, hiding behind the laws that they themselves come up with. And what, tell me, is the difference, according to the law, they will rob me or not according to the law? I do not care!

                  On the photo: traffic police in Moscow, 31 August 2010
                  Photo: Denis Grishkin / Vedomosti
              2. kris 11 March 2013 21: 19 New
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                I am impressed by this comment, as in childhood after reading Dunno on the moon!

                CONTINUED
                “The rich only buy such paintings”
                “You better not look at this picture, brother,” Kozlik told him. Do not rack your brains in vain. There is still nothing to understand. We have all the artists paint like that, because the rich only buy such paintings. One paints such zagulolinkas, the other depicts some incomprehensible squiggles, the third completely pours liquid paint into the tub and grabs it in the middle of the canvas, so that some awkward, meaningless stain results. You look at this spot and you can’t understand anything - it's just an abomination! And the rich watch and praise. “They say that we do not need the picture to be understandable. We do not want any artist to teach us anything there. The rich and without the artist understands everything, and the poor do not need to understand anything. That's why he is poor, so that he does not understand anything and live in the dark. ”

                In the photo: Visitors see Francis Bacon’s Triptych 1976 painting presented at Sotheby's in London and a month later purchased by Roman Abramovich for $ 86,3 million along with Lucien Freud’s painting “Sleeping Social Worker”; 14 April 2008

                Photo: Alessia Pierdomenico / Reuters
            3. GP
              GP 11 March 2013 14: 37 New
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              Divide by 12 months and get 26917 rubles per month !!! Are there many Russian families with such income?


              For the family! 13,5 thousand per one. Lot.
              1. rolik
                rolik 11 March 2013 15: 58 New
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                For the family!

                In my family, the monthly income is 90000, we have enough and remain))))) The communal apartment is expensive, but all have meters (gas, electricity, a two-tariff meter, water), and it has coolly reduced costs.
                1. GP
                  GP 11 March 2013 16: 40 New
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                  rolik
                  Well. And you do not live in Moscow at all. You don’t have to go far for an example.
                  As they say. Many years and good health to you and your family. good
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                    rolik 11 March 2013 18: 07 New
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                    As they say. Many years and good health to you and your family.

                    Thank you and your family all the best.
                    I work for the state (Sevmash) not a commanding link, the wife in a medical clinic (though private).
                2. nycsson 11 March 2013 21: 48 New
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                  In my family, my monthly income is 90000,

                  You can only be glad for you. good
              2. nycsson 11 March 2013 16: 02 New
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                For the family! 13,5 thousand per one. Lot.

                Decipher your thought ........
                1. GP
                  GP 11 March 2013 16: 32 New
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                  Decipher your thought ........


                  From your example. "Divide by 12 months and get 26917 rubles a month !!! And many Russian families with such income?"
                  For the family! In a family of 2 working people (M + F) =
                  13,5 thousand per one. Families with an income of 26917 rubles per month
                  A lot of in Russia. hi
                  1. baltika-18 11 March 2013 16: 56 New
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                    Quote: GP
                    From your example. "Divide by 12 months and get 26917 rubles a month !!! And many Russian families with such income?"
                    For the family! In a family of 2 working people (M + F) =
                    13,5 thousand per one. Families with an income of 26917 rubles per month

                    And where are the children? Without children, what kind of family? If you consider at least one child .........
                    What will we get? ...........
                    And if the child went to college to study? what
                    1. GP
                      GP 11 March 2013 17: 12 New
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                      And where are the children? Without children, what kind of family? If you consider at least one child .........
                      What will we get? ...........

                      Same. The number of employees does not increase, how many children do not count.

                      Quote: baltika-18
                      And if the child went to college to study?


                      Those. already an adult able-bodied child. It's time to work. Or how old are the children to sit on the neck of their parents?
                  2. nycsson 11 March 2013 21: 49 New
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                    A lot in Russia.

                    Sure, not a problem. But in the USA, this is extreme poverty. hi Read my post above.
                    And further. Have you ever considered how much money you spend on food! Do you have a family? If there is, then count, for example, from the April 1 of the 2013 of the year. Every penny of every day.
                    For three, I + wife + son 5 years minimum 25000 per month! And this is without chic. request
            4. fzr1000 12 March 2013 00: 41 New
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              Are you sure that the example is not annual income? In Western sources, they usually operate on annual income. Because 800-1000 cu per month is the threshold of poverty in the United States. It just turns out 10500-11200 cu in year. 100000 cu per year is the income of a poor person in the United States. A beginner stock broker without bonuses earns so much in the USA.
      2. nycsson 11 March 2013 13: 04 New
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        post of Navalny

        And what did you focus on Navalny? I have long paid attention to people like you, just a little, immediately Nemtsov, Navalny, Udaltsov. With these "comrades" everything has been clear for a long time! You do not translate the topic!
        Factories and factories need to be built, creating jobs, producing goods competitive on the world market, thereby increasing GDP (gross domestic product) per capita.
        Here is a specific question for you: Do you know what oil is and how many products can be made from it?
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          djon3volta 11 March 2013 14: 59 New
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          Factories and factories need to be built, creating jobs

          go and build, what are you here, bunching every day I don’t understand? am why don’t you at the construction of these factories? take a loan for two with Romanov and build at least a mini-plant for the production of cinder blocks or paving slabs. what plants do you need I don’t understand? give a list of which plants in Russia aren’t? what do you want, panties, smartphones or screws? where do you live on a desert island or where is the desert around you?
          1. Normal 11 March 2013 15: 12 New
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            Why are you here a bunch every day I don’t understand?

            We listen to you, O Great One, we are afraid to miss even a word from your mouth, for we don’t know our benefits and only your wisdom illuminates our path to infinity
            Quote: djon3volta
            take a loan for two with Romanov and build at least a mini-plant for the production of cinder blocks or paving slabs.

            Grace descended upon us from your lips. Now we know what to do, you enlightened us and directed us. Talk, talk about the Wise. Do not leave us in the dark and ignorance .... laughing
          2. nycsson 11 March 2013 16: 07 New
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            go and build, what are you here, bunching every day I don’t understand?

            And you?
            Quote: djon3volta
            why are you not at the construction of these plants?

            Because I deal with other issues.
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            What plants do you need, I don’t understand?

            Factories and plants for the production of consumer goods, at least: furniture, household appliances, dishes, knitwear, etc.
            Quote: djon3volta
            where do you live, on a desert island or something, where is the desert around you?

            In Krasnodar. Buy and Sell City. There is no production here.
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              djon3volta 11 March 2013 16: 58 New
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              Factories and plants for the production of consumer goods, at least: furniture, household appliances, dishes, knitwear, etc.

              Are you on purpose? Yes? Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Yes? I’m not drunk, do you want something in every town there were factories for the production of furniture, household appliances, knitwear and crockery, yes? are you serious? do you REALLY think that there aren’t or aren’t enough / few of these factories in Russia? no, it feels like you’re living not in Krasnodar, but in Zimbava or Botswana..i here are the socks if I buy, they are all Russian-made, of different factories, one is located in a neighboring city, and he doesn’t fall apart this factory, created back in the USSR. In short, I have already studied your line and politics for a long time with you, with you It’s useless to argue or prove something, you can see the mood in the comments, but you yourself know that, so there’s no point in sharpening your habits.
              1. komendor 11 March 2013 17: 59 New
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                I agree to the factories account. It makes no sense to keep the same production in every city. We are a living example from almost all of RUSSIA; different materials are flocking to us. We collect and sell something we do to these same cities. And it turns out even cheaper.
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                Do you REALLY think that Russia does not have or is lacking / few such plants?

                I don’t know how in the suburbs, but living in Krasnodar, I really think so, we have almost everything imported. Of course there is ours, but the percentage is small!
                Quote: djon3volta
                I think I’ve studied your line and politics a long time ago from comments, it’s useless to argue with you or to prove something, you can see the mood in comments, but you yourself know it, so there’s no point in sharpening your loins.

                How many people, so many opinions! I can say the same about you.
          3. itkul
            itkul 11 March 2013 19: 26 New
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            what plants do you need I don’t understand? give a list of which plants in Russia aren’t? what do you want to produce, cowards, smartphones or screws? where do you live, on a desert island or where there is a desert around you?


            As I understand it, you do not need production in the country, then well, take out and put people unemployment benefits, as in crisis Spain at 700 euros
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              djon3volta 12 March 2013 09: 01 New
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              like in crisis Spain at 700 euros

              Look, if they paid 700 euros every month for unemployment, then NO ONE would work in Spain))) enough to howl about 700 euros !!! Unemployment benefit in Spain is 262 euros and it is paid for 3 months, then go for a walk.
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          rolik 11 March 2013 18: 14 New
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          Factories and factories need to be built, creating jobs,

          I’ve stumbled across an internet site on an interesting site, it gives information on what and where we are building, building, preparing for construction. Do not believe it, we are building just a lot of everything, and it is being built too. And the gardens and production, and farms are different. he did not expect this. I haven’t bookmarked this site, now I’m very sorry.
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            djon3volta 11 March 2013 18: 52 New
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            This site is not bookmarked

            http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/ называется сайт!этот сайт опасный для таких как nycsson.
            1. rolik
              rolik 11 March 2013 18: 59 New
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              djon3volta

              Thanks for the link drinks Yes, the info there is such as our gnarly communists dislike here in the chapter with Zu. But he constantly buzzes that everything is lost, everything is closed-feather, nothing is done. Let the party members tell you where you need to look)))))) Well, other guardians about the fate of the Rasseysky, it would not hurt to stop by and see.
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    "So: from words to business, gentlemen, economists. To business."

    and so every year. And when will they get down to business?
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    (Although, there would be something to be afraid of ... After all, everything that could be done economically wrong has already been done.)
    There is no limit to perfection ! If you do not put under the knife the bulk of * the great reformers * who for two decades sculpted the colonial economy, then they will let us under the knife.
  8. optimist
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    There is a lasting impression that our government is well aware that the country "on the eve of a grandiose sheher" and the situation can no longer be saved. And he continues to do what logic prompts: to pump everything from the country to the last. And when that same “chuckler” arrives, calmly dump to the West, where accounts, real estate and money are already located. No other logic can explain what is happening. So dear forum users, stock up on breadcrumbs and cartridges ... crying
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      rolik 11 March 2013 16: 02 New
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      [quote = optimist], stock up on breadcrumbs and ammo ... [/ quot
      These calls have been heard for 10-12 years, and each time the same thing. Especially the current Communists, led by Pope Sue, love to shout.
  9. Normal 11 March 2013 09: 33 New
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    The most surprising thing is that not only opposition economists express words about the need for change in the country's economy. Many experts in the financial sphere, who are in power, are also actively talking about this. But so what's stopping you? .. The personal interest of certain gentlemen or some external lobby, or both? But if it interferes, then it is necessary to pull yourself together and overcome barriers, and not to deal only with the repeated designation of a problem, all the more so as it does not denote it today only hopelessly lazy.
    No wonder, Alexey. From the very beginning of his reign, GDP spoke much more than he did. Everyone in power knows this and imitate the first person. But what is stopping you? Yes, too, is no secret. Reluctance and inability to work, the habit of replacing the real thing with talking, PR and propaganda. And the personal interest of those in power is at variance with state interests. Only then do they coincide when there is a threat to the permanent rule of the current rulers. Then they remember about the defense industry, production and other boring matters. And when there is no threat, then there is no interest; You can get amphorae and put cranes on the wing.
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      optimist 11 March 2013 09: 44 New
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      "Golden words, -Peter Venediktovich !!!" good I am glad that there are people who trust their brains more than "zomboyaschiku". And I advise everyone else to read Krylov’s grandfather about Vaska, who "listens and eats." 25 years of a golimy pi ... Ms ....
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      No wonder, Alexey. From the very beginning of his reign, GDP spoke much more than did

      Nothing much has changed since the time of Yeltsin, except that energy prices !!
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      djon3volta 11 March 2013 10: 34 New
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      Then they remember about the defense industry, production and other boring matters

      I know what you want to say by this, like - WHY DIDN'T YOU DO BEFORE THIS BEFORE THAT BEFORE THERE HAS BEFORE YOU DO THIS BEFORE ..
      and I’ll ask you why you didn’t buy a car before? why didn’t you make repairs in the house before? why didn’t you buy a new TV set, clothes and a refrigerator before? why did you wear old clothes before, and now you have 10 trousers, 5 a pair of boots, new furniture and a fridge? why didn’t you have it before, but now have it? I know why, and you know! so inappropriately here to make these hints.
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        I know what you want to say

        Of course! After all:
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        John knows EVERYTHING!

        Thank you, Alexander, now I finally find out
        Quote: djon3volta
        , why didn’t I buy a car before? why didn’t I made repairs in the house before? why didn’t I bought a new TV set, clothes and a refrigerator before? why did I go in old clothes before, why didn’t it happen before, but now I have it?

        What did I suffer? It was only necessary:
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        ask this question to John

        And everything would become clear, otherwise I, like a big-eared sucker, did not know and walked in old clothes without a car and a refrigerator.
        But, praise the Lord, we have John!
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        I know why
        Now the end to ignorance and doubt, almost unclear, immediately to him ... laughing
  10. Goldy
    Goldy 11 March 2013 09: 33 New
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    In June of this year, it is expected that the change of the head of our Central Bank. You will see the interest rate will be reduced, here's a push for growth
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      Dmitry_2013 11 March 2013 10: 25 New
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      A decrease in the% rate, except inflation growth, will not cause anything, since it simply entails an increase in the money supply.
      See how this rate changed during the crisis.
      http://www.cbr.ru/statistics/print.asp?file=credit_statistics/refinancing_rates.
      htm
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        Dmitry_2013 11 March 2013 12: 55 New
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        And what is the minus? If only I would write my opinion sad
      2. baltika-18 11 March 2013 13: 49 New
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        A decrease in the% rate, except inflation growth, will not cause anything, since it simply entails an increase in the money supply.

        I did not minus you ........... But you confuse the cause with the investigation.
        1. Dmitry_2013
          Dmitry_2013 11 March 2013 14: 02 New
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          So do you think inflation causes a decrease in the% rate? So this central bank raises the cost of money in order to eliminate "overheating", thereby reducing the rate of inflation.
          By setting the refinancing rate of the Central Bank and affects the CB, and those in turn offer loans for business ...
          Also, the% CB rate is a threshold for business profitability, and if it decreases, then this is not
          here's a push for growth
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          Design bureaus will be cheaper only to lend to the consumer sector, thereby increasing demand, the producer will raise prices - that’s inflation. wink
  11. baltika-18 11 March 2013 09: 34 New
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    Whatever you say, the economy works according to the principle of pulling our heads out, our tail stuck, and vice versa .........
    What to do?.....
    And there is only one way out ..... Nationalization of strategic sectors, energy and transport ....
    Development through domestic resources and domestic consumption, seeks to reduce dependence on international financial circles.
    1. lucidlook
      lucidlook 11 March 2013 13: 03 New
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      And there is only one way out ..... Nationalization of strategic sectors, energy and transport.

      Those. in fact - the economic revolution. And since in Russia, as in any other capitalist power, it will not be possible to dispossess large owners bloodlessly, so the social revolution too.

      I do not advise taking such slogans to the streets.
      1. baltika-18 11 March 2013 13: 19 New
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        Quote: lucidlook
        Those. in fact - the economic revolution.

        An economic revolution from above is always better than a revolution from below.
        Quote: lucidlook
        And since in Russia, as in any other capitalist power, it will not be possible to dispossess large owners bloodlessly,

        If you bend unexpectedly ... Kolyma is big .... Enough space ...
        Quote: lucidlook
        I do not advise to take to the streets with such slogans

        Wolves should not be afraid to go to the forest.
        1. Z.A.M. 11 March 2013 14: 13 New
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          baltika-18
          Quote: lucidlook
          I do not advise taking such slogans to the streets.

          Quote: baltika-18
          Wolves should not be afraid to go to the forest.

          Oh, Nikolai ... Read it. This is not the topic of the article, but the topic of your dialogue ...
          “Retired Lieutenant Colonel, a pilot with 30 years of experience, Alexander Bolgov was charged under Article 20.2, Part 2 (“ Violation of the established procedure for organizing or holding a meeting, rally, demonstration, procession or picket ”). Three court hearings were held in his case. Rather, two - neither the representative of the administration, nor the police came to the first.

          “At the third meeting, judge Gennady Bobkov made a decision. After watching the video provided by the police, it became clear to him that there was no corpus delicti for me, there was nowhere to go, and I was found not guilty. In fact, the city administration framed the police, which had to detain me, ”the veteran himself told reporters.

          True, the Odintsovo administration did not calm down and stated that it would challenge the court decision. “The only thing I answered is that when Serdyukov is convicted, no matter how, even conditionally, let me meet with you,” Bolgov said.

          The victim will not demand compensation for non-pecuniary damage, but he drew conclusions for himself on how the authorities react to constructive criticism of the country's leadership.

          Recall that the shameful incident occurred on February 22 at a ceremony near the Eternal Flame in Odintsovo in the presence of the district administration, veterans of the Armed forces, participants in the Great Patriotic War, and schoolchildren. The 66-year-old veteran of the armed forces, who was instructed to give a short congratulatory speech, had just begun.

          Bolgov congratulated the audience on February 23 and said: “For many years our army was invincible and legendary, but at present this army has been reformed in such a way that under the leadership of Minister of Defense Serdyukov, she not only lost her combat effectiveness, but she was robbed by 13 million rubles. And this minister was appointed first by Medvedev, and then Putin". Immediately after these words the police ran up to him, grabbed his hands and dragged him into the bus. The veteran was held in police custody for more than 4 hours and then taken to the city court. The story became known thanks to independent urban media.
          Source: newizv.ru 7.03.13 "

          And you say ...
          I myself am a "former cop", opera, but the current POLICE officers only annoy with stupidity and shamelessness ... More often they annoy ...
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            Quote: Z.A.M.
            and robbed at 13 million rubles

            Billion !? 13 millions are trifles! wassat
            Quote: Z.A.M.
            I myself am a "former cop", opera,

            So what? I always respected normal "cops" for their hard and dangerous work. How many of them died in Chechnya and in the fight against crime !? hi
            Quote: Z.A.M.
            but the current POLICE officers only annoy with dullness and shamelessness ... More often they annoy ...

            Well, so what was the certification for ?! The main task is to leave the stupid ones, and those who are planning to dismiss! hi
          2. baltika-18 11 March 2013 16: 36 New
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            Quote: Z.A.M.
            I myself am a "former cop", opera, but the current POLICE officers only annoy with stupidity and shamelessness ... More often annoy

            In front of you hi drinks
            Honor and conscience cannot be defeated.
        2. nycsson 11 March 2013 16: 27 New
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          Quote: baltika-18
          If you bend unexpectedly ... Kolyma is big .... Enough space ...

          They rule the system! All information, money, etc., everything in their hands! Suddenly it will not work. hi
      2. nycsson 11 March 2013 16: 18 New
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        then the social revolution too.

        We do not need a social revolution! Enough for one! crying
    2. Oleleg
      Oleleg 11 March 2013 13: 10 New
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      Is Russian Railways an effective company? She is a state!
    3. nycsson 11 March 2013 16: 17 New
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      Quote: baltika-18
      And there is only one way out ..... Nationalization of strategic sectors, energy and transport ....

      I agree! hi
  12. treskoed 11 March 2013 09: 37 New
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    Listen to other "analysts" - the country is dying! But what about the championship in the production of billionaires? But what about the billions withdrawn from the country's economy and working (for free) in the United States and other countries? But what about the billions of the shadow economy? And the billions stolen? Conclusion - an urgent need to be corrected at the conservatory!
    1. optimist
      optimist 11 March 2013 09: 50 New
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      Respected! This is your car, when it runs out of gas, it stops abruptly. And a country that occupies 1/8 of the land with 140 million people and the fruits of labor of many previous generations (which we now use) has a certain inertia. Although different things happen: in June 41st in St. Petersburg they sold black caviar in basins, and after half a year the rat caught was considered a treat ...
  13. predator.3
    predator.3 11 March 2013 09: 40 New
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    While Mendel is the prime minister, there are hardly any positive changes in the economy!
    1. Oleleg
      Oleleg 11 March 2013 13: 11 New
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      And who made him prime minister?
    2. Heccrbq
      Heccrbq 11 March 2013 19: 50 New
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      What’s the iPhone? And he’s a talking head, now, what then!
  14. Cpa
    Cpa 11 March 2013 09: 45 New
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    Not a single high-tech production with high added value will be privately owned, the credit will bury him. The oligarchs don’t count, they don’t invest in 300%. If the main economists think that they can attract investment from abroad, only raw materials will come , or dealers with assembly lines as a maximum. But the production that we need under the ban on export to Russia. This is only within the government's power. WTO accession is only a momentary benefit to metallurgists, power engineers, chemists. Then the market will take protectionist measures. Earlier than wanted I would have to recognize the crucial role of state regulation of strategic sectors.
  15. radio operator 11 March 2013 09: 57 New
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    They are going to build up the economy, and the population is melting at a rate of 1 million people a year.
    Who will work?
    It is necessary to solve the problem with demography, and only then think about the economy.
    That is my opinion.
    1. Dmitry_2013
      Dmitry_2013 11 March 2013 10: 29 New
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      It is necessary to solve the problem with demography, and only then think about the economy.

      Yes of course. And what is the reason for the population decline?
      In an unstable economy that cannot guarantee a decent salary and level of social services ...
      And it melts because of the Gorbachev-Yeltsin failures, when not only giving birth, they thought how to survive.
    2. nycsson 11 March 2013 16: 12 New
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      Quote: radio operator
      Who will work?

      Like who? Guest workers!
  16. zao74 11 March 2013 10: 02 New
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    Hedgehog, a proud bird, until you kick, it does not fly. So our economists, until they start to unscrew their head, they will not move.
  17. pinecone
    pinecone 11 March 2013 10: 16 New
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    The very word "economy" in a literal translation means "housekeeping rules", or as "figuratively used to say in Ancient Russia" domostroy.
    In relation to a single country, this is the national economy and the methods by which it is governed. Marx and his followers, who even came up with the Nobel Prize for distribution to themselves, and which is paid to them annually by Swedish taxpayers, brought economics into science. Diplomas, academic degrees, mountains of dissertations and idle chatter are all the result of the activities of all these economists, while a clear and clear. STATE PLAN with the tasks of developing the national economy of the country and the actions for their implementation is required.
    PS At the very beginning of the cursed market reforms, their initiators put forward the already forgotten term “denationalization”. From this it began, and off we go. For crime comes from where the state leaves. There is no other way.
    And one more thing: it is curious that in recent times the shameless “economists”, “analysts”, etc., and behind them the journalists, have begun to quite widely use the expression “REAL economy and banking (financial) sector”. It is very characteristic, since so much is being said so much in the Russian government about the further and steady development of this particular sector ... .
    1. Oleleg
      Oleleg 11 March 2013 13: 14 New
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      Everything was state in the USSR and there was a plan, a result? Just do not say that Americans are to blame and traitors in power
    2. Cheloveck
      Cheloveck 11 March 2013 14: 09 New
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      Quote: pinecone
      Marx and his followers, who even came up with the Nobel Prize for distribution to themselves, and which is paid to them annually by Swedish taxpayers, brought economics into science.

      Oh yes?
      Isn't Adam Smith?
      Marx and Engels came up with political economy, if Che.

      By the way, the Nobel Prize in economics does not exist. This is the name of the Bank of Sweden prize in the economic sciences in memory of Alfred Nobel, established by the Bank of Sweden in 1969. And paid from the funds of the Bank of Sweden, and not from the Nobel inheritance.
      1. GP
        GP 11 March 2013 14: 55 New
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        To your way. In the Republic of Ingushetia, before the now famous Nobel Prize (Alfred Nobel), the Nobel Prize (Ludwig) was established for research and development in the field of science and technology, as well as a gold medal named after him for research in the field of the oil industry. In the 00s, the Ludwig Nobel Prize seemed to be revived and even awarded.
  18. MIKK1972
    MIKK1972 11 March 2013 11: 45 New
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    The economy of Russia. It's time to move from words to deeds.
    Alas, no one. There are, of course, units, but on the scale of Russia, there is not, and in the near future will not. Even the most, as we are told, modern industries are seriously lagging behind. At the moment we are simply wasting time, of course we will catch up with them through heroic efforts, probably we cannot do otherwise.
  19. lav566
    lav566 11 March 2013 12: 01 New
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    Khazin offers new industrialization through import substitution.
    With such an economic policy, growth of 10 percent can be achieved.
    1. treskoed 11 March 2013 14: 56 New
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      Heard already - and about 300 days, and about doubling the GDP, and about reforming with optimization!
  20. pa_nik
    pa_nik 11 March 2013 12: 15 New
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    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Our millionaires will not become productions that will begin to bring profit in 10 years. Not profitable.


    It’s correctly noticed, if we don’t have 180-200% profit, it’s not a business, money is not invested in modernization / development, why the hell will economic growth come from ?!
    With the barbaric economy that is built in the country, there will be no prospects, neither prospects for the development of the country, nor demographic ones. And it’s scary to do the conversion. fellow The authorities are trying to "drive out" on the principle of a programmer: "works - do not touch!". And the fact that the whole familiar world can collapse at a time is afraid to think am therefore do not think. Or, at best, like Scarlett O "Hara:" I'll think about it tomorrow " laughing
    1. Oleleg
      Oleleg 11 March 2013 13: 16 New
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      Do you know what the margin in retail is? You still won’t believe me, look on the Internet, the numbers will surprise you, I guarantee!
  21. vezunchik 11 March 2013 12: 22 New
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    Here are the first steps to provide the population with pensions:a retirement pension will directly depend on seniority and salary levels. Formula developers propose introducing a set of obligations that will allow Russians to earn the right to an insurance pension. Firstly, the minimum length of service (over ten years) should be increased from five to 15 years. Secondly, citizens must annually transfer to the pension system the minimum amount of contributions - 22% of the insurance rate of the two minimum wages (minimum wages) in terms of the year. (deductions should be 2500 rubles per month)

    Those Russians who cannot fulfill these conditions can only rely on a social pension: women - at 60 years old, men - at 65. If we take into account that the life expectancy of men in Russia does not reach 60 years, we can say - thanks to our government for the secured old age!
    If you are 30 years old then by the age of 60 you should give at least 900 thousand rubles to the state, but if you will save this money, then after 60 years. within 8-9 years, he can spend 9 thousand rubles a month. Or receive from the state the same 9 thousand rubles. And if your money will be in the bank at interest, then ...
    What would you like to live like that!
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      Quote: vezunchik
      If we take into account that the life expectancy of men in Russia does not reach 60 years, we can say - thanks to our government for the provided old age!

      And I’ve been talking for a long time! Soon from work, they will be able to stand forward with their feet. Everything for this is done. am
      1. komendor 11 March 2013 18: 13 New
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        There is a way to live long. As my father says, 70 years, take a loan for 50 years. This will be your goal until the end of your life until you pay. This is a joke.
  22. kamis51 11 March 2013 12: 37 New
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    Until there is a nationalization of extractive industries (and there are no others left!), We will be a raw materials appendage ...
    1. lav566
      lav566 11 March 2013 12: 45 New
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      I completely agree with you. The nationalization of the raw materials industries, as well as
      energetics. Our business will not be invested in their development - it will be strangled
      from greed. This will provide funds for the "new industrialization", which Putin
      promised in one of his election articles a year ago.
  23. Oleleg
    Oleleg 11 March 2013 12: 51 New
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    The author is dear, he began to read the article directly rejoiced, but then ... again propaganda / nonsense in the style of who is our enemy? Delyagin, Kudrin, too small, would have written that the Americans, they are to blame for everything!
    As for the economy. By 2018, growth will be 1,5%, how do I know this? Look at the analytics of leading economists. Why will this be? Need reform. They will? No!!! Why? The authorities and Putin personally do not want to and do not want to format the principles of his work. Therefore, the growth of 1,5% ceiling.
    By rail. The fall in traffic is due to the terrifying inefficiency of Russian Railways - state. a monopolist burdened with a bunch of non-core assets without modern management is doomed to ruin the industry. There is no alternative in the form of business, because no way, this is the road, it should be only the Tsar-priest. Why is that? Because there are no reforms.

    Conclusion. The problem is in the Kremlin, it is a miracle leader Putin and his team. They will not change, they cannot and do not want to. Then the growth of 1,5% remains true without grandiose disasters. oil $ 75 will never be stee. With Putin, Russia will slowly degrade and fade, though stably and without sudden movements. Russia deserves more, but once again they are not given more. Unfortunately.

    PS
    The next time the author bothers to search for materials on the topic, read, think over your brain and everything will work out. Or write grandiose nonsense that the Americans are to blame for everything, they always believe this, especially here the audience wants to hear this.
    1. lav566
      lav566 11 March 2013 13: 15 New
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      "The fall in traffic is due to the terrifying inefficiency of Russian Railways - state monopolist"
      One might think that the privatization of Russian Railways is Chubais-style, which, apparently, calls on OleOleg, will change the situation.
      Electricity has just been seized. The proceeds are taken offshore, and there it disappears in an unknown direction. They steal billions. A recent television example.
      As for America, beloved by some, it is our enemy. It will be worse and more sophisticated than Nazi Germany.
    2. Volodin 11 March 2013 13: 30 New
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      I can not remember when we managed to switch to "you" ... This is the first.
      And the second: I understand that you would continue to exult, if the article had one phrase "Putin is to blame for everything!" This is undoubtedly a reason for jubilation ... You’re looking for less reasons for this jubilation, but rather offer concrete ideas, if, of course, competence allows. The article seems to be posted for this purpose ...
      See the analytics of leading economists
      "Leading economists" - who is this? Vasya Pupkin or Petya Tsutskin ... Be kind, specific names.
      1. lav566
        lav566 11 March 2013 14: 23 New
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        The orange have no sane economists. The only thing they offer is
        privatization. To grab, buy palaces, yachts, football teams and shed!
        Privatization in Chubais style was a big mistake. In Russia, a private trader capable of working effectively in large business needs to be grown for a hundred years.
  24. wax
    wax 11 March 2013 13: 19 New
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    The trajectory of economic growth has not been with EBN, and no. Now all hope for positive developments in the non-primary sector is associated exclusively with the defense industry.
    1. lav566
      lav566 11 March 2013 13: 46 New
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      Why respect Delyagin? In 2004, he wrote a book in an orange cover,
      in which he called for the Orange Revolution in Russia.
      Why respect Kudrin? All the years in the ministerial post he spent money in American banks, for which he received medals of the US Congress annually.
      It was necessary to develop the country like, at least, Saudi Arabia, build roads,
      to develop infrastructure.
  25. Goldmitro 11 March 2013 14: 11 New
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    <<< To argue that the economic model of modern Russia is “not a fountain” is pointless >>>
    If earlier our market liberals managed to hang economic noodles on the ears of society, promising with this model irreplaceable economic growth in Russia, even if it was a question of some doubling in some years, then the time has passed and the moment of TRUTH comes when it becomes clear to everyone that not only about any doubling
    It has not been discussed for a long time, but even minimal economic growth "does not shine" for Russia. In other words, it is precisely thanks to THIS economic model and its supporters, who have steered the economy for so many years, that Russia can’t get out of the ass she is in and the plans announced by the President for economic growth and creating new jobs remain only on paper! Understanding that in connection with this, "debriefing" may begin
    "economic fashion designers" such as Kudrin and others begin to rake to the side: they are supposedly not at all than, moreover, they warned .... It is clear that the sooner Russia will be freed from all this liberal pro-Western husks and will begin to invest in the development of its production, and not drive them stupidly over the hill, the faster real growth of the economy begins.
  26. leon-iv 11 March 2013 14: 22 New
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    You are just like little children.
    Do you want import substitution then make a dollar of 80 p. and in 10 years we will see suitable growth. but before that 5 years paw suck.
    1. lav566
      lav566 11 March 2013 15: 48 New
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      About 5 years, paw sucking is not a bad option. Now there is money in the country.
      It’s time to start pursuing some kind of economic policy. Otherwise, maybe
      to turn that there will be nothing to suck!
  27. Black 11 March 2013 16: 01 New
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    Is Kudrin, Delyagin, Gaidar, Yavlinsky the main culprits for the fact that the Russian economy has remained bast, and during the years of the Big Oil Ruble could not take almost a step? What does an adviser, an "oppositional" economist, even a finance minister decide that they decide everything ??? - NOTHING !!!!! Political decisions are made by people sitting on gas and oil valves .. do they have infrastructure, light industry, roads?
    Quote: leon-iv
    5 years old paw suck.

    Lapu, wherever you go! The price of energy carriers will collapse (friends-partners fail), the white-tape barking will seem childish, agu-agu. But when the people in the outback have nothing to eat, it will be a completely different story.
    1. abc_alex 11 March 2013 16: 26 New
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      Oh don't make me funny! Political Decisions ...

      And to whom to implement these decisions? Buzinesman? Managers? Well, during the crisis period, banks were allocated liquidity to support lending, and so what? A NI-HRE-NA. Banks transferred the allocated money to low-yield bonds with high liquidity and did not lower the interest by a penny. :)

      When will it come to you, dear detractors of the Government, that power and business in Russia are two sides of the same coin! Who steals on government orders? Who builds so that in a year everything collapses? Officials? No, this is our beloved business with a slightly sleek snout of gangster 90s. He holds his power. And sitting on the pipe.

      Give him money, do you think he will rush to do processors? Horseradish bald, at best, buy Chinese consumer goods and begin to resell. And most likely he will stupidly transfer them to offshore and move to London, where he will scream loudly about "an attack on the rights of citizens in Putin's Russia." :)

      There are, of course, normal businessmen, but I beg you, it is said a hundred times that in today's world there is no problem to produce. There is a problem SELL. The markets are divided and everyone guards his plot with trepidation and nervousness. Yes, make at least 100 “right decisions”, but if you try to break into the market with a Russian iPhone, you will most likely receive a lawsuit from Yablov for using the rectangle and the state court will gladly satisfy it! :)

      If everything was so simple, just a solution would be enough :)
  28. Begemot 11 March 2013 16: 09 New
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    The policy of the state is to prevent the development of business in the country. The legislatively established threshold for entering the business is hundreds, thousands of times higher than the incomes of citizens. By business, I do not mean a stall or a pantry counter in a shopping center. Try to calculate the initial costs of, say, a bakery. I'm not talking about a little more complicated production or agriculture. If you do not have 15 -20 million free rubles - you can’t even dream of your own, independent business, even the smallest one. Our lawmakers completed the order of a large mining business, all the ways for the population in the business are neatly blocked. At the same time, each time with reference to international experience: property taxes in France, VAT in England, environmental legislation in Sweden, labor law in Germany, etc. (I give a conditional example), but they pulled the maximum values ​​from around the world and applied in Russia: use dear citizens, more precisely, execute. Familiar with so many managers of manufacturing firms. Everyone unanimously says that it is necessary to develop production, but it is impossible to develop, development costs are exorbitant due to legislatively established standards: sanitary, fire safety, energy supervision, labor protection, GGTN, boiler supervision, etc., etc. Add here our taxation. The cost of any product consists of taxes, salaries and profits.
    If you count, it turns out on 1 ruble salaries 67 cents of taxes, but it has not yet included a bunch of other taxes, tax, real estate, profit, etc., etc. What efficiency can we talk about? what kind of economy can we talk about if no one but the oil and gas and other raw oligarchs has real resources for business, and they just are not interested in having another, non-resource-extracting economy.
    In addition, for two decades, money has been pumped out of the economy: business drives money into offshore companies, the state - into the stabilization fund and welfare fund.
    There are no miracles in such conditions.
  29. vlad.1924 11 March 2013 16: 09 New
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    Russia urgently needs to change the Central Bank’s exchange rate and withdraw money, before it’s too late, from NATO and the USA and invest in both its modernization and the BRIC countries (China, India, Brazil, South Africa ...) Stop doing business with popular money, it is time to think about the Motherland and the Russian people ... And the BRIC camps should officially abandon the "green candy wrapper" of the dollar in their own and in general in all calculations ....
    1. lav566
      lav566 11 March 2013 16: 54 New
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      It is clear that the economic policy of the state should be directed
      on the development of production in the country. Without this Russia, a kayuk.
      A couple of my acquaintances of entrepreneurs say the same thing here
      Begemot wrote. According to them every year small and medium
      It’s getting harder for business to do. WWP said five years ago that those with us
      I opened a company, I have to give a medal. Five years have passed, but it got worse.
    2. piterkras
      piterkras 11 March 2013 22: 54 New
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      The Central Bank of Russia does not report to the President of the Russian Federation and the State Duma. This is what I am telling you. The Central Bank of Russia is a regional branch of the US Federal Reserve. The head of the Central Bank can only be chosen. And that’s it. If you abandon the green candy wrapper, then the typewriter will arrange the 3rd world. She began the 1st and 2nd world just for the same reasons. So not in the first.
  30. imperiolist
    imperiolist 11 March 2013 18: 22 New
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    From an interview with Professor V. Yu. Katasonov: A permanent “financial war” is being waged against Russia. Its essence is that the US Federal Reserve, the European Central Bank, and central banks of other Western countries issue huge amounts of money supply, due to which the Russian economy is seized by Western banks and corporations. Today, in connection with the so-called “quantitative easing” (in fact, this “smart” hides an increase in the purchase of “bad” securities on the market by central banks and an increase in the way paper products are offered “printing presses”).

    Russia has everything necessary and sufficient to protect itself from global economic and financial instability, to demonstrate in the foreseeable future a steady GDP growth rate of 10% per year.

    In the global economy, a sharp economic downturn may occur in the next two years. If we have time to prepare by the time this recession begins, then for us it will be a "finest hour". Rather, the moment the “big jerk” began.

    For the “big leap” we need a mobilization model of the economy. In the language of macroeconomics, this means that we will need to allocate 35-40% of GDP for investment in fixed assets (today this indicator is actually around 15%). And R&D expenses are at least 4% of GDP.

    The following elements are necessary for the formation of a model of “mobilization economy” and the practical implementation of the “big leap forward”:

    - long-term planning, in the form of adoption of the law "On strategic planning";

    - restructuring of monetary policy, the transition to internal sources of the formation of the money supply, instead of the ongoing issue of rubles in exchange for foreign currency;

    - Development budget for financing strategically important projects. And the formation of this budget, primarily due to the Reserve Fund and the National Welfare Fund;

    - expansion of the economic space through Eurasian integration.
  31. Samsebenaum 11 March 2013 21: 23 New
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    Russian economy ...
    Yeah, that means we need to talk about only three components - gas, oil and energy. However, the Ministry of Economic Development proposed a serious overhaul of only financing schemes for the gas and electricity sectors.

    If you simplify all the tricks, then the experts of the Ministry of Economic Development calculated that the industry needs modernization, and there is no money to pay for this modernization from the budget. The only way to help enterprises is to make electricity and gas tariffs more affordable for them.

    Independent experts also reviewed proposed “reforms” and openly state that the essence of the reforms lies in the monstrous increase in selling prices and tariffs.
    Still, the gas men and Gazprom top managers will take the lion's share for themselves, as always, will be in chocolate.
    Gas producers and power engineers need to upgrade their capacities, and they intend to do this, of course, not by cutting salaries to their top managers, but by the common population.
    The whole “trick” is whether ordinary Russians will pay for the entire industry. And this is despite the fact that citizens consume the same electricity only 12% of the total electricity generated in Russia!
    Rising tariffs will lead to inflation, which, despite government assurances, will soar.
    Not only the population will suffer, but the entire economy, which under such conditions is unlikely to be able to show the high growth promised by the government.

    It is planned that a certain minimum of utilities will be available at an affordable price. Although, according to experts, the declared minimum electricity is not enough even for an electric kettle. The remaining kW / h will have to be purchased at Dragon rates.

    With Russian salaries, the figure is monstrous.
    It turns out that after the introduction of new schemes, people will lose even more in the quality of their life, in the level of comfort. Today, this level in Russia is 3-4 times lower than in Europe. After the introduction of "energy consumption standards", according to analysts, every third family will be forced to refuse either a washing machine or a refrigerator.

    In general, if you count, the price of electricity for the population will increase 18 times in the next 5 years, and gas - by 4,6 times. Revenues, as the government promises, will also grow - as much as 2,7 times, that is, 270%!
    It is only unclear, due to what is expected growth in incomes? The same GDP, according to experts, will grow by 2% per year at best, or will slow down altogether. That is, over 18 years, GDP will grow by a maximum of 50%, but not by 270%.

    A similar economic press for the population could still be justified if the enterprises planned to be modernized from our pockets were state-owned. However, today such enterprises in the general structure of the economy - the cat wept. And this means that people are trying to get people to finance someone’s business.
    With state corporations, not everything is clear either - after all, the leaders of these state corporations are not embarrassed to upgrade to the money of citizens and write out bonuses of tens of millions of rubles to themselves.

    To the heap of Russians will still be forced to finance the modernization of housing and communal services, which is also very outdated. Today, its depreciation is 60%, and in the coming years it is necessary to find 3-5 trillion rubles for the modernization of housing and communal services. Of course, this money is not in the budget.
    Therefore, the consumer will pay for everything again. Another of the new schemes is to attract investment. In this case, the consumer will have to pay even more than if he paid without attracting investment. After all, investment is also interest.

    Products, electric energy - at the same price as the west; water, gasoline, heat - a little cheaper; clothing, household appliances - more expensive. (For example, coal goes abroad for 100 bucks, and here 7000 rubles., Cement and ferrous metal are also more expensive here). And our salary is less - at times!
    Russian people, you are truly patient. Would you put a monument to you during your lifetime.
    1. nycsson 11 March 2013 22: 09 New
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      Quote: Samsebenum
      That’s the whole development of the Russian economy.
      To survive ...

      Greetings Valera! hi Yeah! This is the info you planted. Just stand, just fall. We have in Krasnodar for a three-ruble note in 100 sq.m. all communal 11000! And then what will happen? request
      1. Samsebenaum 11 March 2013 22: 36 New
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        nycsson

        Alex, good health! and come on "you" ...?

        Infa is not sucked from a finger. It wouldn’t be better with this fucking system ... fool
        Of course, simple workers ...
        1. nycsson 11 March 2013 23: 42 New
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          Quote: Samsebenum
          Alex, good health! and come on "you" ...?

          Come on! hi
          Quote: Samsebenum
          Of course, simple workers ...

          However, on the next branch for GDP, the whole clave was broken! request Maybe I misunderstood something! request
          1. Samsebenaum 12 March 2013 00: 31 New
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            nycsson

            Alexey, this is not an indicator.
            There are bouts. However, we are still very far from the North Koreans.
            They vote for their leaders 100%!
            We have room to grow ....
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      piterkras 11 March 2013 22: 50 New
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      Well, in Russia there is no typewriter of the euro and the dollar, well, at least you crack! Have to do with less popular methods.
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    fweadcSZ 12 March 2013 00: 38 New
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    It seems to be so bad, but no, we have to do worse. The authorities do not cease to amaze. This site just recently came across: http://search-russia.org/main.php?s=20177 where information about each of us has been posted publicly. I don’t know why to do this, but it personally scares me. Nevertheless, I somehow managed to delete my data, though I had to register, but no one could "dig up" anything on me.
  33. valokordin 12 March 2013 06: 47 New
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    Without the restoration of state. Planning and nationalization of railway and raw materials production with heavy engineering will not grow. Practice has shown this. Our owner is the most inefficient
  34. Nesvet Nezar
    Nesvet Nezar 12 March 2013 08: 52 New
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    Be vigilant men!