Fighterbomber on the aircraft crash in Konstantinovka: All our planes and crews are home, and there is one less drone - that's what the tests are for

The enemy claims that the Russian Aerospace Forces allegedly lost a Su-25 aircraft in the Konstantinovka area. At the same time, the Ukrainian side claims that it was shot down by a Ukrainian air defense system. But the enemy’s resources immediately began to wonder what the attack aircraft was doing behind the front line. As Ukrainian resources admit, recently the Russian manned aviation not used for LBS, trying to act in such a way as not to be in the reach zone Defense APU.

After some time, statements began to appear that the attack on the Su-25 was an enemy lie.

At the same time, Ukrainian users began to publish statements online that an aircraft had indeed crashed in Konstantinovka. And it is claimed that it was allegedly a heavy drone S-70 "Hunter".

Earlier, information appeared that the Russian Aerospace Forces began using Okhotniks in the area of ​​a special military operation.

Meanwhile, on TG channel "Military Informant" The assumption is published that the drone was shot down not by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but by a Russian combat aircraft “due to loss of control and flight beyond the front line.”

Author of the channel Fighterbomber:

All our planes and crews are home. Alive, healthy and safe. And the fact that there is less for a drone, that happens. That's what tests are for.

The channel notes a significant increase in the number of flights of modern Russian aircraft drones and the appearance on the network of numerous frames from their monitoring equipment.

The event, of course, requires the most thorough investigation.

There are no official comments confirming or denying this information yet.

Comments

[nPuBaTuP]

As usual, nothing is clear...

[svp67]

Quote: nPuBaTuP

As usual, nothing is clear...

Well, how can I say that? There is already a video of the incident. Our fighter shot down this UAV HIMSELF. Either the enemy was able to intercept the control channel of this UAV and was leading it to itself, or for technical reasons this control was lost. In any case, it was heading towards the enemy.

[Orange Bigg]

There is a whole series of videos on this topic at the link below, including a video of the fall.

https://topcor.ru/52228-v-nebe-donbassa-jakoby-sbit-rossijskij-perspektivnyj-bpla-s-70-ohotnik.html

[bayard]

Yes, it looks like a "Hunter" and it's a shame that it was dropped on enemy territory.
It was not tested there, it was necessary to arm the RPV and patrol over the World Cup and hunt for high-altitude US UAVs. It is also interesting as a naval reconnaissance aircraft and strike aircraft with light anti-ship missiles of the X=35, X-31 and X-69 classes.
Over an area saturated with air defense and ELINT systems, such a large, expensive bird on a leash even satellite communications - guaranteed interception and fall on enemy territory. And now they will gut it ...

[Orange Bigg]

So it seems that the Su-57 and UAV that were accompanying him shot down due to a loss of communication.

[bayard]

Unfortunately, in such a complex theater of operations, rich in electronic warfare and electronic countermeasures, this was expected.

[Fisherman]

SIGINT and EW have nothing to do with it, this product has an autopilot with return to base and much more. The problem is in the novelty of the product, which is oversaturated with new products that have not undergone successful testing for years. This is called the phenomenon of error accumulation.

[bayard]

It may be so, but this device has been tested and improved for quite a long time (many years), and this one was a serial one.

Quote: Fisherman

The phenomenon of error accumulation is called this.

Maybe, but you weren't told about this, were you?
Or maybe the channel for controlling the directional signal of the electronic warfare was suppressed and it was for this reason that the fighter controlling the "Hunter" approached it almost closely - to interrupt the interference with its transmitter. And having failed in this, it received the command to destroy it.
But for self-reassurance, of course, it is more convenient to accept the version that “the device simply broke.”
I do not insist on my version, I assume the most probable. A simple breakdown is less related to this.

[sgrabik]

This means that our engineers and designers still have work to do; it’s clear that not everything has been taken into account and worked out yet.

[nickname7]

And now they will gut him...

It turns out that if a UAV fell, then there is nothing to worry about, it’s a test, but the fact that the newest device fell on enemy territory is a screw-up.

[bayard]

He didn't fall - he was shot down by a Su-57 when it got out of control.
The problem is that it failed and that it had to be shot down over enemy territory.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: bayard

he was shot down by a Su-57 when it got out of control..

History knows of similar cases: in Afghanistan, a 'fleeing' reaper was shot down by an F-15e "Lucky".

Quote: bayard

it had to be shot down over enemy territory.

We decided to be careful: with its flight range, we don’t know where it could have ‘run away’
It happens….

[buslaif]

In the 80s, all launches of unmanned reconnaissance aircraft on the territory of the GDR were carried out with their flight monitored by fighter aircraft. In the event of a failure in the flight program, so that they did not get to the territory of the FRG, they had to be shot down.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote from buslaif

In the 80s, on the territory of the GDR...

Well, probably 15th Lucky and 57/70 are the most recent cases taking control escaped drones. Well, the hardware will be more advanced than in the 80s
P.S. Lucky also distinguished himself by bringing down a helicopter with a bomb and accumulating 10k flight hours. In a word - lucky guy

[Andrey Gladkikh]

The problem is that the use of the "Hunter" (tests or something else - it's not that important) was carried out over a territory that does not exclude its fall on territory held by the enemy.

[bayard]

The drone could have ended up over enemy territory due to a failure of the encrypted communication channel or suppression of this channel by electronic warfare. It is quite possible that the "Hunter" was practicing suppression of identified enemy air defense systems, but due to loss of communication, it began to move towards the enemy. The control fighter approached it, trying to restore communication from a close distance, but since this did not work, it received the order to destroy it. It is a pity that it fell on enemy territory, but they say that it (the fallen one) was soon targeted by an "Iskander". How lucky...

[Denis812]

So the whole point of using a UAV is that if it gets shot down, the pilot won't die, which is why UAVs should be used over enemy territory, where manned aircraft cannot be used.
Is not it so?

[alexmach]

The problem is that it failed and that it had to be shot down over enemy territory.

But the big plus is that it didn't stall, but is still being used and tested, and not at a proving ground, but in combat conditions, which presupposes a certain degree of system readiness. And it was used with relatively modern weapons - the wreckage of the UMBP was found at the crash site. And there's not much to gut... judging by the photos. It was still burning in the air, plus it was carrying ammunition.

[bayard]

Quote: alexmach

it didn’t stall, but it is still being used and tested, and not even at a training ground, but in combat conditions, which presupposes a certain degree of readiness of the system.

So this is already a production model, they seem to have already produced 18 of them.

Quote: alexmach

And to gut... judging by the photos there is not much there. It was still burning in the air, plus it was carrying ammunition.

The place where it fell was immediately hit by an Iskander.
But what is being used is already good. It is a very useful technique when hunting enemy air defense systems.

[Boyarin local konnicy]

It has already been reported that military engineers not from the brothers arrived at the crash site, and then our Iskander quickly arrived there)) having met everyone and hugged them with his warhead))

[bayard]

Quote from DGDenis

.Most likely, the drone was seriously damaged when hit by a missile.

Judging by the footage, the Okhotnik fell almost intact, the RVV MD warhead is not so big as to tear such a giant apart. It fell - yes. Did they work on the crash site with an Iskander? They did. Let's hope for the best.

[Dead duck]

In the video of the aircraft falling, the outlines are different.
either the last one was edited from another one or...

[Arkady007]

There are a lot of options. Perhaps they lassoed the Hunter and in order not to lose him they had to shoot him down. If so, then the issue of closed UAV control is very sad. We need to think specifically.

[Comrade Beria]

Let's rather wish success to the modest man with the Su-35, who calmly, at a great height, without fear of these NATO air defenses, being on the very front line, approached, shot down, and retreated.

I think this is the Order of Courage at least.

[Dgdenis]

The Order of Courage, and don't swim in the shallows. Here you can give a hero. And deservedly so. Risk, efficiency and courage.

[mr.Man]

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[Orange Bigg]

Russia has begun to massively use heavy, strike UAVs "Inohodets" and "Okhotnik" in the SVO. At the moment, not a single hit of these UAVs by air defense systems has been recorded. But there is plenty of objective control from these UAVs on the network, and most of the OK is attributed to other means of destruction.

They write that they shot down a serial Okhotnik UAV.

https://t.me/ZOV_Voevoda/21430

Fighterbomber's opinion on the situation is linked below.

https://t.me/fighter_bomber/18317

[Vitov]

Stupidity and stupidity simply flourish. The S-70 "Hunter" is a useless brainchild of half-wits in the current conditions of our army. It is not clear what kind of ram is promoting this creation. We do not have satellite closed channels for transmitting high-quality information in real time. The S-70 and "Orions" cannot transmit information over a large distance in real time. Why are they needed in this form? They can be controlled, but they cannot receive a picture from them in real time and with coordinates. I want to know who invented this "Miracle" and for what purpose?

[Orange Bigg]

Listening to you, it turns out that all our promising projects are useless. You always write the same thing. Don't you want the Russian Army to develop and develop promising projects? I wonder who you work for?

[Vitov]

Certain conditions are needed for the creation and existence of any project. Who told you that the S-70 has any prospects? It is a show-off, unpromising project to demonstrate non-existent achievements and successes, leadership. This has been said for several years now. If the conditions for the S-70 to work have not been created, why make it? Who are you working for? Any idiot in the leadership at all levels does more harm than the most sophisticated enemy...

[Orange Bigg]

We just heard something similar to your speeches before the SVO about the uselessness of the same UAVs, for example, and what this led to, what consequences everyone knows. We had to fix everything on the fly.

[Vitov]

You are lying and brazenly. In 2000, Putin gave the order to create modern systems for waging war. These systems have not been created to this day. They have been talking about UAVs for 20 years already.
They have long been proposed to be included in the SPG and MLRS divisions as a standard feature. For two decades, the army leadership ignored not only the creation of UAVs, but also the creation of reconnaissance systems at all levels. So we have what we have in the SVO...

[Orange Bigg]

. You are lying.

Somewhere I already heard it.

[Andrey VOV]

How can the General Staff do without you and yours? Holy shit, everything is lost!! Such a valuable asset and not on the front lines!

[faiver]

Such a valuable asset and not on the front lines!

- I'm terribly sorry, of course, but the "general staff" and the "front line" have very different geographic coordinates.

[Andrey VOV]

Yes, there is a jack of all trades there and he can do it here too, how can he not test and implement his ideas on the front lines?

[dimon642]

Our people help the Army in the SVO. Is it time to help Anya change her generals?

[Andrey VOV]

And you will go to command a regiment? A battalion? A brigade?

[dimon642]

I can do it with a company, but if necessary, with a battalion

[Andrey VOV]

Oh, what, why aren’t you there, aren’t you in command?

[dimon642]

I'm 61, why aren't you there?

[Andrey VOV]

I have no leg up to the knee, an echo from 2001 and a vision of minus 6, the result of a concussion at the same time, and in Barcelona men over 60 calmly fight.

[Aken]

In short, two feeble people are sending each other to the front. The old people should be ashamed.

[Andrey VOV]

Youth is such a disadvantage, or an advantage, which passes very quickly, the main thing is that something good and useful remains after, so, while you are young, stay young. Yes, I do not consider myself an old man at all, and even less so, feeble.

[Aken]

You can think as you like. What matters is whether you are fit or unfit for service. And knowing in advance that you will not be called up, it is unethical to incite others. Especially if you do not know in advance who you are dealing with.

[Alexey Koshkarov]

Andrey VOV. If you wrap it with explosives, you can crawl to the tank. If your eyesight doesn't allow it, can you hear the tank by ear? Don't be offended. Black humor. I myself am already battered by time.

[Andrey VOV]

Like an anti-tank dog:))

[dimon642]

I do not deny that there are people who are over 60 and at war. It is not easy to run around with a machine gun after 60. Then, me and other pensioners, why should we wipe the ass of the management, which receives cool salaries, that I do not receive in a year what they receive per month, and they also steal. The beginning of the SVO and how many people broke their contracts. The need will arise, we will have to defend the Motherland. Not only defend but also ...
And to YOU, Andrey, I wish long life and health.

[Andrey VOV]

The SVO showed who joined the army and why.

[Sergej1972]

I heard that many of those who broke their contracts at the beginning of the Second World War still ended up in the army a few months later due to mobilization.

[1 z1]

How can the General Staff function without you and yours?

Where on the SVO can the work of the General Staff be seen?

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Vitov

For two decades, the army leadership ignored not only the creation of UAVs, but also the creation of reconnaissance systems at all levels. That's what we have in the SVO...

Historical problem. In 1941, for example, the number of reconnaissance aircraft in the Red Army Air Forces was TEN times less than in the Luftwaffe. The Germans conducted aerial reconnaissance systematically and regularly, and ours did not particularly interfere with them in this.
The Germans considered our reconnaissance aircraft to be their top priority targets and spared no effort or resources to combat them. Bombers or attack aircraft could miss them, but they would send up several pairs of fighters to attack a single reconnaissance aircraft.
So we had something that is bitter to remember.

[the Urals]

There are a lot of stories about the "frame" in memoirs, so most likely it is true, we have always had problems with intelligence

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Ural

There are a lot of stories about the "frame" in memoirs, so most likely it is true, we have always had problems with intelligence

I'm not talking about the "frame". The "frame" is the front line and the immediate rear. In addition to close reconnaissance, the Germans conducted deep reconnaissance of our rear. And on a regular basis.
And if the Ju-86 operated at an altitude that was inaccessible to our fighters, then the unpunished flights of the Do-217, Ju-88 and He-111 reconnaissance aircraft at altitudes of 7-9 km are very difficult to explain by anything other than the unsatisfactory organization of air defense and the lack of such a task for frontline aviation.
We paid very dearly for this.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Vitov

For two decades, the army leadership ignored not only the creation of UAVs, but also the creation of reconnaissance systems at all levels. That's what we have in the SVO...

Emotionally, but I don't understand why they attacked you - on Znamenskaya Street, to put it mildly, they have fallen behind modern trends - they do what works, and not what is necessary. And they spend considerable resources on this, believing that they are there for feeding set. Failure of the war three eights turned heads, and the success of the Crimean operation completely deprived me of my mind... well, I can’t see it any other way.
I hope the process of cleaning up the Red Army will not stop and will reach the negligent operational level commanders, it cannot be otherwise.

[stankow]

. They have long been proposed to be included in the SPG and MLRS divisions as standard
And they have been on for a long time. Orlan. Regularly.

[Vitov]

Long time ago, when is that? Where are the UAV control points located? Orlans come in different types. I don't believe it. Prove it within reason.

[stankow]

The Orlan command post is located in the Kung of a normal army truck, a full-fledged Kamaz. Plus a service vehicle. 1500 units were produced. In service since 2010. Fought in Syria, Donbass and the Northeastern Military District.

[skeptic]

Quote: Vitov

Who told you that the S-70 has any prospects? It is a show-off, unpromising project to demonstrate non-existent achievements and successes, leadership.

At one time, something similar was said about aerobatics. And quite recently, something similar was said about UAVs in general. One can also recall "Katyusha", the inventor of which perished in places not so remote. Not everything that you do not understand is stupidity or "sawing up".

[dimon642]

The Americans use MQ-1 Predator, MQ-9 Reaper, RQ-4 Global Hawk.
Why not create such, and saw up the budget. The Hunter can be controlled from Moscow. The fact that a plane was flying nearby for insurance, says that there is something wrong with the control. You can't plant explosives, at the slightest thing it will self-destruct.

[Mamkin Batya]

"The Americans use MQ-1 Predator, MQ-9 Reaper, RQ-4 Global Hawk"
To use such drones, a developed network of satellites is needed to ensure high-speed information exchange in real time via a secure channel (in simpler terms, high-speed Internet access with low delays/ping). The Russian Ministry of Defense does not have such capabilities, they have announced the creation of an analogue of Starlink, but when will it be?
But regarding explosives, an interesting opinion, it is quite possible that this is a necessary measure for test prototypes.

[1 z1]

At one time, similar things were said about aerobatics by pilots.

And in what conditions were the figures useful?

[skeptic]

Quote: 1z1

At one time, similar things were said about aerobatics by pilots.

And in what conditions were the figures useful?

In combat. The same "dead loop" is built on throwing off the pursuer, and the latter going on the attack.
Especially if you consider that before the First World War, they turned like a "pancake", i.e. without a roll when turning, etc.

[solar]

the inventor of which perished in places not so distant

No, they were both simply shot on the spot, they weren’t even brought to these remote places :((
But this had nothing to do with Katyusha; the Jet Institute was simply Tukhachevsky’s brainchild.
This happened - the creator of the famous V-2 diesel engine, which was installed on the T-34, among other things, Konstantin Chelpan, was also shot on the spot, not for the diesel engine, but because he was Greek by nationality.

[SSR]

Quote: Vitov

Who told you that the S-70 has any prospects?

And who are you that your opinion should be listened to?

[nickname7]

Who told you that the S-70 has any prospects?

There is a prospect, the point of an unmanned aircraft is so that the pilot does not get captured if shot down.

[musorg]

Don't talk nonsense, designer!

[Dgdenis]

The S70 is designed to work in tandem with 5th generation aircraft. In fact, they are reconnaissance aircraft, fire ships, etc. Their purpose is to provide information and protect the Su-50.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Vitov

I would like to know who actually came up with this "Miracle" and for what purpose?

So come up with a better one, what's the problem?

[Vitov]

I thought of it a long time ago, and I know how to do it and how to implement it. And who is interested in this? The problem is how can a mere mortal get in touch with the person making the decision! Try it...

[bk316]

So come up with a better one, what's the problem?

This is Vitov, a real commander.
Kind of like Gridasov, only an inventor
He writes that he has been inventing everything for about 10 years now.
He just didn’t tell me who he works as or what his education was.

[bayard]

Quote: Vitov

I would like to know who actually came up with this “Miracle” and why?

The Americans started developing this topic in the late 90s - 00s, so they decided that they needed to do it themselves. Encrypted satellite communication channels are a critical condition for this. But even with such channels, the Americans lost such devices over Iran and western Afghanistan ... they were intercepted by Iranian electronic warfare systems. So what can we say about our similar UAVs, without having a satellite group for such communication?
My friend and I have long discussed the possible application of such a "Hunter" and came to the conclusion that without AI and over a theater of operations saturated with air defense and electronic warfare systems, they are completely useless. Only against a guaranteed much weaker enemy or over sea areas as a reconnaissance aircraft and carrier of low-observable anti-ship missiles (Kh-69, Kh-50 in the anti-ship missile version if it enters, or in the worst case, Kh-35 and Kh-31). Moreover, in the mode of autonomous search, use of weapons and leaving the zone according to the algorithm.

It seems that they have already begun to form a satellite group for such communications, but how much time will it take and what will be the coverage of such a group...

[rotfuks]

stupidity is simply flourishing. The S-70 "Hunter" is a useless brainchild of half-wits in the modern conditions of our army.

you're just crushed on your battle couch. Are you so cheeky on Saturdays after a couple of beers?

[Comrade Beria]

Someone knocked down........................

[Piramidon]

Quote: Alexander-33

Something was shot down.................

Someone shot it down... Let the chukars jump and rejoice, thinking that at least they shot down a Tu-95. Otherwise they will have nothing to be proud of at all

[heda]

There are no official comments confirming or denying this information yet.

And will not be
(spoiler)

[svp67]

It's bad if it falls on enemy territory, and there are no self-destruction systems on this UAV. They will "gut" it now

[Chief Officer Lom]

A good hit on the impact site, with something chemical like napalm, and there will be nothing to gut.

[dmi.pris1]

I don't think that there is nothing like that envisaged for use on the air force. And yes, I don't think that the secret thing will be tested where there is enemy territory. About the Su25 - there is a discrepancy. If there was a Su24, I would still believe it, because there is a second, navigator-operator. And he can very well control this UAV remotely.

[svp67]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

And he is quite capable of controlling this UAV remotely.

"Hunter" is actually "sharpened" for the Su-57

[dmi.pris1]

It is clear that what is new is being sharpened for the new.

[faiver]

everything that is sharpened for the new is first tested on the old

[Vitov]

American UAVs use several control channels and not only satellite ones. Backup control and monitoring can be additionally carried out from an aircraft, from a ship, from a powerful ground or air antenna. In addition, the UAV has a system for returning to the planned airfield in autonomous mode. The S-70 cannot be sharpened on the Su-57! And what if this Su-57 itself fails, or the communication channel. You have to think at least a little when you are told nonsense anywhere and by any people...

[svp67]

Quote: Vitov

The S-70 cannot be adapted to the Su-57

And yet, they are used in combination. The Su-57 itself can be a UAV and return to its airfield if the pilot is out of action.

Quote: Vitov

And what if this Su-57 itself fails, or the communication channel.

Well, something went wrong for them, since the leader shot down his wingman.

[Dgdenis]

Ours of course install electronics, but the pilot is more important for us. We have never had such idiocy as with the F35. And the Su-57 feels fine on a regular airfield.

[1 z1]

The S-70 cannot be adapted to the Su-57

Under 57 it is "sharpened" for two reasons. Due to the lack of stable control channels at a significant distance. Very exaggeratedly, the possibilities exist only according to the principle of "line of sight".
And to give uniqueness to the new aircraft (there are no analogues).
Well, the possibility of making some money as a bonus to the development of a promising aircraft cannot be ruled out.

[Oleg Fedechkin]

What could be secret there? There is technology from the 70s there!! Both Russia and the USA!!

[Mister X]

Quote: Oleg Fedechkin

There is technology from the 70s there.

Uncle Oleg, did you even understand what you wrote?

[Orange Bigg]

Well, a FAB controlled by debris. I think the FAB-3000 will do.

[svp67]

Quote from Orange Bigg

Well, a FAB controlled by debris. I think the FAB-3000 will do.

They didn't bother for long, they hit with an Iskander, although the range there allowed them to use MLRS. But the main thing is that they struck at the moment when a group of "glasses" were at the crash site... Which is of course a "+"

[Dgdenis]

The bespectacled ones most likely don't understand Russian and responded to Karl, John and Dan. By the way, such bespectacled ones are worth Iskander. Rare specialists. It takes a long time and is very expensive to train them, plus talent. It's unlikely that the Ukrainians would be trusted with such things =)

[NakedMan]

If they are already going to use it "massively", then it would have happened sooner or later anyway. It's a pity, but it's not the end of the world.

[kwwk]

There is already a video circulating on the Internet showing that only one wing remains intact.

[Montezuma]

Last comment on the Fighterbomber TG channel at 14:04 Moscow time.

It is clear that the GLITs (929th State Flight Test Center of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation *note from Montezuma*) will now be flogged in all its cracks.
Pro..ali consider the serial Hunter in fact. (This is indicated by its color, only standard UAVs are painted in this color)
At the same time, it is difficult to understand what happened to the UAV, because it fell on territory controlled by the Ukrainians. That is, they will disassemble it down to the last screw and, of course, familiarize themselves with its rich internal contents.
Secondly, in fact, both the Okhotnik and the escort fighter were flying over enemy territory. At a high altitude, under fire and accessible to all air defense systems, including MANPADS.

That is, we could have lost not only the Okhotnik but also the Su-57 escort, and that’s a completely different scenario.

I understand that even the loss of a pair of A-50s did not entail any serious organizational conclusions; perhaps they would have bounced back here, but it would have been more difficult.

And I really want to hope that it was a loss of control due to something failing, or that they couldn’t resolve the issue with the Rabbids, or that the UAV’s brains went crazy for their own reasons, and not the drone being intercepted by the enemy.

But the event, of course, requires the most careful investigation.

[Montezuma]

And another interesting thing on this topic from the Telegram channel "Portfel Genshtaba". The video cannot be attached here, the site does not allow it, but everything is clearly visible, the picture corresponds to the text.

The footage was taken in the sky over Gorlovka. One fighter jet hits the newest Russian S-70 Okhotnik attack drone with an air-to-air missile at point-blank range.
Falling debris confirms that it was indeed an S-70 Okhotnik that was shot down. Why the UAV was shot down is unknown.

[tihon4uk]

Why didn't they immediately hit the crash site, and again coordinate with all authorities, and wait for everything to be taken out?

[Amateur]

We wanted the best
And it turned out as always
(V.S. Chernomyrdin)

Unfortunately...

[tralflot1832]

What was that? 404 is credited with their "Kiev Ghost" shooting down the "Hunter", which is highly doubtful. There are plenty of videos on enemy sites. I recommend Ya Kramatorsk-telegram. The admin is cool. There is a video from the crash site, only the wings remained there - there is something to dig into.

[Comrade Beria]

In gas tanks, maybe. There are no special secrets in them.

[tralflot1832]

And all kinds of sensors on the wings?

[Comrade Beria]

For those worried about debris on enemy territory.

The xoxly, like their owners, will not discover anything particularly new there.

[tralflot1832]

What if they find a piece of iron "Made in China or USA"!

[Comrade Beria]

The second - rather. It's not for nothing that we gave all the American spies to our intelligence officers. And yes - China. So English.

[Konnick]

If they find hardware made in the USA, they will have to impose sanctions on the US

[Montezuma]

Quote: tralflot1832

What was that? 404 is credited with their "Kiev Ghost" shooting down the "Hunter", which is highly doubtful.

According to information from our fairly objective TG channels, the electronic brains of the Okhotnik UAV failed and it was shot down by a SU-57 that was observing it (apparently they were practicing joint use). At least that's how I understood it, I don't insist on the absolute truth of the conclusion.

[bear cub]

Western sources say the same. The available video shows a fighter jet shooting down an object flying in front of it, which explodes. The debris falls to the ground. The question is whether anything valuable fell into enemy hands, since only the wings are visible in the film.

[tralflot1832]

Montezuma. Someone carelessly said on live TV: I'm so fed up with this Zelensky. "Hunter" - I know how to solve this problem!

[nickname7]

only wings remained there

So the UAV has a flying wing form factor.

[Sergey3]

And what was that? Did they intercept the electronic warfare control?

[Sergey3]

By the way, I just watched several videos from different angles on VK, they really shot it down themselves, a fighter was chasing from behind and shot it with a missile at point-blank range. So they took control remotely.

[faiver]

This means that they took control remotely.

-it doesn't mean anything at all

[Leshak]

I think we will never find out, and if we do find out, it will be a looooong time before we know it.
But there will be a ton of rumors and speculation.

[Konnick]

After some time, statements began to appear that the attack on the Su-25 was an enemy lie.

And the Russian Defense Ministry is to blame for spreading rumors. Is it really impossible to promptly inform, especially since there are tons of videos of the downing

[abc_alex]

Excuse me, but what happened that the Ministry of Defense informed everyone around? Well, there are a bunch of videos, so what? This UAV has not even been accepted into service yet. Only three (according to other sources, 6) examples have been built. It is being tested. SOMETHING happened. What exactly is unknown. I suppose, even to the developers. If there is telemetry, they are now sorting it out. If not...
Should I report to you about the loss of all experimental models of equipment? :)

[faiver]

Sorry, comrade lieutenant general, you don't have clearance

[Comrade Beria]

https://vk.com/video-206639135_456294261

The footage was taken in the sky over Gorlovka. One fighter jet hits the newest Russian S-70 Okhotnik attack drone with an air-to-air missile at point-blank range.

It's quite strange, unless you consider that the UAV behaved abnormally and a decision was made to eliminate it. When the soulless start to behave badly, they are reset.
This is the norm.

[Konnick]

The footage was filmed in the sky over Gorlovka. One fighter jet hits the newest Russian S-70 Okhotnik attack drone with an air-to-air missile at point-blank range

Here are the frames without links

[Comrade Beria]

Screenshots from the video in my comment.

[tralflot1832]

Comrade Beria. I have a refrigeration unit with Finnish brains. Quite often you find out that it lives independently with its Finnish brain. But the funny thing is - it maintains the set mode with an accuracy of 0,1 degrees. But at the same time it "eats" electricity as if it were not itself. The Finnish beast rebels, it is easily treated even the fifth point in "soap" - sometimes you have to gather a "consultation" of IT specialists in advance. There may be surprises.

[Comrade Beria]

And I assembled a heating/air conditioning system for my home using Chinese modules from Aliexpress. Also 0.1 degree accuracy. Has been working flawlessly for ten years. It turned out to be 20 times more than what was offered by one company, I suspect that it was also made using Chinese modules.

[faiver]

Quite often you find out that she lives with her Finnish brain independently

- put a bug

[tralflot1832]

I am not strong in IT technologies, I still can not understand how they put 22 ballerons (football players) in a game console. But all this is treated with an ancient "keyboard" but not without surprises, sometimes the brain just boils and not at the computer, the most important thing is to find the right direction in solving the problem - where the program failure comes from

[Dgdenis]

There is no failure here, it is a control takeover. When a failure occurs, the UAV plane loses orientation in space, and here it is strictly to the west. It was introduced. The encryption algorithms have apparently been hacked. Reaction Ukrainians Pay attention at the beginning of the article. First the Su-25, then the Hunter, etc. They had no idea at all. This is not censorship. Pay attention that Zelensky needs ANY victory now. Even a tiny one. But nothing has been prepared here. As if they received the information after the fact at the beginning, and it was strictly abridged. Think with your head at the beginning. There is no sign of a failure. Moreover, our guys have pulled this off. So the Pentagon decided to respond. They just didn't take the pilot into account. He destroyed the facility. In short, the counter-terrorism forces will shake down the developers, and the CIA the executors. The pilot will write a bunch of explanatory notes. Why, when, etc. That's the whole story.

[nickname7]

When the soulless start to misbehave, they are reset

This is true, but it is necessary to zero out over your territory so that the latest development does not fall into enemy hands.

[ASSAD1]

For us, the newest, striped Valkyrie was launched in 2019.

[sanches-nk]

It was immediately clear that they were flying their own drone, and then they shot it down so that it wouldn’t go into the territory of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, where they would dissect it and everything, everything, everything

[Rome]

Yeah, no, you're ruining the victory! This F16 was shot down by a Russian Stealth, which is clearly visible even from the ground!
And this Stealth, for lack of its own, is assembled from Western parts that ended up on the border and remembered where their home is and flew home. only the valiant F16 pilot was not aware of it, this is of course a screw-up on the part of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but at least it is a cool video of the destruction of the secret Russian Stealth, it turned out to be quite media-friendly, Zelensky will like it

[bear cub]

Unfortunately, now it is certain. It is S-70. I do not know how to comment on this.

[faiver]

I don't know how to comment on this. sad

- No way, why the panic, if it was shot down it must have been meant to be...

[lynnot]

I don't know how to comment on this.

Like, if you can't poop, don't torture your butt.

[Oldrover]

What's wrong with that? The UAV was invented for this purpose, so that its loss is not so sensitive, iron and iron.

[nakhtigalsif]

Information from reliable sources that are not written or spoken about. An aircraft resembling a triangular circle was shot down. Therefore, mobilization will soon take place. And also for a great need, since coffee and tea did not go well.

[dimon642]

When I served in Chernigovka, there was either a squadron or a UAV detachment. When it flew, there was always a MiG 23 nearby, so that it wouldn't accidentally fly off to China.

[Joker62]

Quote: dimon642

When I served in Chernigovka, there was either a squadron or a UAV detachment. When it flew, there was always a MiG 23 nearby, so that it wouldn't accidentally fly off to China.

Did you mean the Tu-141 Strizh UAV?
Due to its limited range, it could not fly to the Chinese border. But to the West - it is quite possible, and for this reason it flew in pairs with the MiG-23. At that time, the Tu-141 was a secret product, and hence there was an escort.

[dimon642]

From Chernigovka, in Primorsky Krai, to China is less than 200 km

[Joker62]

Quote: dimon642

From Chernigovka, in Primorsky Krai, to China is less than 200 km

Hmm, and I thought from Chernigov, but here it is Chernikovka. This changes a lot.
I apologize to you and take my hat off to you.

[Joker62]

Fighterbomber on the aircraft crash in Konstantinovka: All our planes and crews are home, and there is one less drone - that's what the tests are for

Just received information from my colleagues - yes, we lost one secret UAV - Hunter.
In the neighboring thread, there is a video before it was deleted:

https://topcor.ru/52228-v-nebe-donbassa-jakoby-sbit-rossijskij-perspektivnyj-bpla-s-70-ohotnik.html

But the most important thing is that this machine was destroyed before the earth fell. But where the Okhotnik UAV fell is something our counterintelligence will figure out.

[konst]

What was counterintelligence doing before they went to Kursk?

[konst]

What, our electronic warfare is so bad that we fear air defense like fire?

[S. Viktorovich]

Without a jam-proof global communications and control system, all these long-range drones are a waste of money.

[Kuziming]

Ambitious and expensive projects or cheap and mass ones? What is worth spending money, time, and resources on - that is the question.
If a lancet had fallen, there would have been no hysteria. Because there are many lancets, and they don't miss.
And here is a wonder weapon...

[Monster_Fat]

The "wonder weapons" of the "effective managers" have started pouring in: first the "Sarmat", now the S-70...

[dimon642]

There are no analogues, unique models that have been built for decades. Also the SVO, which has been going on for years, also about the liberation of the Kursk region, which probably will not be liberated until the new year.

[Bayun]

I remembered the "strizhik" that went to Croatia instead of Saratov. It's unlikely that hipsters rewrote the "object codes" in the typewriter. And it seems that changing plus to minus remotely has become a piece of cake.

[savage3000]

There's already a video of a Su-57 shooting him down.

[SEVERIN]

So the "hunter" fell on enemy territory - and how often will we give the enemy our secrets? - who will answer for this? - there weren't enough testing grounds???:&₽+??+& - there aren't enough printed words!

[Pavel57]

The enemy is also interested in the debris.

[Pavel57]

Quote: Bayun

I remembered the "strizhik" that went to Croatia instead of Saratov. It's unlikely that hipsters rewrote the "object codes" in the typewriter. And it seems that changing plus to minus remotely has become a piece of cake.

Strizh's flight to Croatia was a test flight

[Mamkin Batya]

I just can't understand... We have total superiority, according to the Ministry of Defense, in aviation, in weapons (air bombs, various types of missiles), this is the third year, so why am I reading this: "used for LBS, trying to act in such a way as not to end up in the range of the Ukrainian Air Defense Forces." In 3 years, it is impossible to suppress the enemy's air defense??? It is impossible to destroy railway junctions, 750 kV substations, in order to complicate logistics and disrupt the supply of enemy troops? What is going on at all.

[dimon642]

Yes, it's simple, for some people, you're just dumb brothers, new voters who will raise their fallen rating. For others, when they studied at the academy, instead of a course on combat use, they took a course on effective managers.

[gribanov.c]

Of course, testing new equipment in combat conditions is necessary. And it was right that they shot it down, otherwise the enemies would have taken it away and landed it.
In my opinion, the S70 is too complex and expensive a device for the realities of the Air Defense Forces. Now we need, let's imagine, to take the same S70, reduce it by half, make it as cheap and simple as possible, so that the result would be a UAV like this: dimensions 7x8, speed-range-combat load - 1000-1000-1000, jet engine, ceiling 7000 m. Typical combat load - 4 FAB250. And let them work in squadrons over the battlefield: takeoff - dropping bombs on guidance from the ground - return to the airfield - refueling-loading - and again anew.
Their mass conveyor production will allow us not to be afraid of losses.

[gmss]

Quote: Joker62

Just got some information from my colleagues - yes, We lost one secret UAV - Hunter.
In the neighboring branch, there is a video before it is deleted:
https://topcor.ru/52228-v-nebe-donbassa-jakoby-sbit-rossijskij-perspektivnyj-bpla-s-70-ohotnik.html

But the most important thing is that this machine was destroyed before the earth fell. And here where did the UAV fall "Hunter" - our counterintelligence will investigate this.

interesting syllable, something in Romanian style

[Mobik]

And I remember there was an explosion of laughter here, on the topic that the Americans put a pilot in the Model 437... Just in case. And if there had been a pilot in the Hunter, such crap would not have happened.

[storm]

Our fighter shot down the S-70 most likely because its control was intercepted by enemy electronic warfare systems.
The question is why the fighter did not destroy it on its own with a missile and bomb strike and why it was necessary to additionally use Iskander-M missiles for this task....

[ShDE]

In such technologically advanced equipment, it would be reasonable to include a self-destruct device similar to the Israeli pager.

[Sandov]

Our task is to destroy the Banderites' air defense.

[Sergey Khatylaev]

They wrote that Iskander checked.