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Glavcom VV: Internal troops will be professional

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Glavcom VV: Internal troops will be professionalIn the Internal Troops will serve only the pros. The commanders of units will be able to select candidates for contract service in this power structure themselves, without military registration and enlistment offices. This is prescribed by important changes to the Federal Laws "On the Interior Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation" and "On Conscription and Military Service," published today in the Rossiyskaya Gazeta. They change the mechanism of manning the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia.


By and large, the document signed by the president of the country will affect the life of not only nearly two hundred thousand servicemen, but also millions of other people. It will significantly speed up the process of complete transition of this most important and numerous power structure to a contract service. This means protecting nuclear facilities, ensuring security of rallies, gala concerts and football matches, will not be confronted by terrorist soldiers who served less than six months, but only by professionals.

How these changes will take place in units and subunits, said in an exclusive interview with Rossiyskaya Gazeta, Deputy Minister of the Interior of the Russian Federation - Commander-in-Chief of the Interior Troops of the Russian Interior Ministry, Army General Nikolai Rogozhkin.

Nikolai Evgenevich, will you accept soldiers for the competition?

Nikolai Rogozhkin: We are talking about the right of internal troops to carry out an independent admission to service under the contract.
Including on a competitive basis, along with the military commissariat.

How do you do without military offices?

Nikolay Rogozhkin: A person who has served military service by conscription and who wished to enter contractual service in the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia, along with the military commissariat, can now apply directly to a specific military unit. This is convenient, because military units of internal troops are stationed in almost every region, and a person can serve close to home.
How was it before? A candidate for contract service came to the military registration and enlistment office, where he was registered with the military, wrote a statement, and the military commissar sent him for a month to complete the necessary, so to speak, procedures. This is a medical examination, professional psychological selection, verification of the level of education, professional and physical training and, in fact, the military enlistment office's commission on selection for contract service. If the person met the requirements, he was given an order to a military unit to conclude a contract.

Do you expect that the new order of recruitment will allow taking on the service of the best quality fighters?

Nikolai Rogozhkin: Former method of recruitment - note contract servicemen! - was long and did not allow to select people more qualitatively. Moreover, I know of cases when the military registration and enlistment offices refused to send those who wanted it to the internal troops and issued orders to other military units. After all, the military enlistment office is a territorial body of the Ministry of Defense.
Now, the decision about whether a person is suitable for contract service or not is taken personally by the commander of the unit?

Nikolai Rogozhkin: Absolutely. In principle, the procedure remains the same - a medical examination and other checks and commissions. And the treasury does not require any additional costs. But another thing is important here - the commander now bears personal responsibility for the person he has accepted to serve. Looking at him, he can offer him the position that, in his opinion, suits him best. And if something happens, they will no longer be able to nod at the military registration and enlistment office - they say, they sent me such a “frame”. I took it myself and answer it myself. It is clear that now any commander will react to such a question very scrupulously. And I am sure that the quality of the selection of people will only increase.
On the other hand, the contractor himself, as they say, “will not blindly” come to the part “where they sent him”, but quite deliberately. He will personally see where and with whom he will serve and what to do. This will be his deliberate choice, and before the conclusion of the contract, he still has time to abandon the intention to serve.
It is known that according to the same principle, employees are selected in the FSB and FSO. Probably, this is due to the special secrecy regime that distinguishes the special services. And why such an exclusive right to internal troops?

Nikolai Rogozhkin: Then, that the internal troops perform service and combat tasks associated with the risk to life. This participation together with the internal affairs bodies in the protection of public order, ensuring public safety and the state of emergency. The units of the internal troops are involved in the fight against terrorism and ensuring the legal regime of the counterterrorist operation, guarding important state facilities and special cargo. Among our tasks is participation in the territorial defense of the Russian Federation, rendering assistance to the border agencies of the FSB in protecting the State Border.
And a citizen, contacting the commander of a military unit with a statement about entering military service under the contract, if there are vacant military posts, first of all inquires and receives information about what service and combat tasks this military unit performs and in which events it participates. He explained to what position he can be accepted. That is, he agrees to risk himself, consciously. The new law makes contract military service in the internal troops more transparent, open and accessible, so that everyone has a complete understanding of the tasks and conditions of such service.

Is there a large choice of positions that can be served under a contract?

Nikolai Rogozhkin: Big. The structure of the troops includes military units for operational purposes, special motorized military units. There are shelves for the protection of important state facilities and special cargo, parts aviation, marine, reconnaissance and special purposes. Everywhere there are posts of rank and file, sergeants, ensigns and officers.

Are there many who want to serve in the internal troops under the contract?

Nikolai Rogozhkin: A lot, especially in the regions. On average, our military units are staffed by contract servicemen by half, quite a few, and more than 80 percent. In general, the manning of internal troops with soldiers and sergeants is 98 percent.
In connection with the changes in the law, the internal troops are ready in three years to completely switch to the formation of professionals, to abandon the draft?

Nikolai Rogozhkin: Contract service largely depends on the social package, which is offered to the soldier. This includes salary, housing, the possibility of preferential studies at universities, the placement of children in institutions, and much more.
Yes, we are already provided with money. A soldier who has just entered the contract service receives about 20 thousand rubles in the first months. And this is just the beginning. Then various bonuses, surcharges, payments for classiness, complexity, tension and so on will go. Maybe for the capital it is not much, but in other regions it is very significant. Say, a husband and wife serve together, for example, they receive, according to 30, thousands. They have service housing, they give out their uniform, food - again in the canteen of the military unit. Virtually no spending, all savings are on a credit card. You see, in a few years, such a family can save for their own apartment - if not in Moscow.
And yet, housing is one of the most important components of the social package. How painful is this problem for internal troops?

Nikolay Rogozhkin: There is a problem, of course, and we are solving it. I will not load in figures, I will say that we are going in all possible ways permitted by law. Well, of course, as far as our finances allow. Service housing stands out, military mortgage works. There is such a practice - for bachelors converted into hostel barracks. That is, contract employees are created quite decent living conditions - separate rooms, kitchens, showers, recreation areas. A person has a place to come after the service, tidy himself up, somehow get distracted.
But, frankly, I think that such re-equipment is not a way out of the situation, but a temporary and forced measure. The contractor is not obliged to live in the location of the part, in the military camp. In the military unit he serves, but he must rest and spend his free time at the checkpoint. Why do we create such conditions only for family soldiers? What is already there, we were all young, lieutenants, met with girls, created families. But is it possible to create a family in the barracks, even if it is well-maintained? Therefore, we will try to build more high-grade service housing and hostels.
Will the uniform change? The Ministry of Defense already intends to abandon the current field form, the so-called "digit".

Nikolai Rogozhkin: Time will tell. Our colleagues in the Ministry of Defense have developed a new version of the "vole" and will take on the test 100 thousands of experimental kits. According to the results of these tests, a decision will be made. And the internal troops are fully provided with everything necessary, including clothing and equipment. Remember, when there were severe frosts, we of our servicemen, who provide order on the streets, were dressed in sheepskin sheepskin coats and felt boots with galoshes. It does not matter that they are not very fashionable. The main thing is that the soldiers do not freeze and stay healthy.
Is it true that in the structure of the internal troops some new special forces detachments are created, super-trained and super-armed? If so, what is their purpose?

Nikolai Rogozhkin: I officially declare to you: no new special forces or any formations are ever created as part of the internal troops. We already have a well-trained and armed special forces. Moreover, the number, composition and tasks of the internal troops are clearly established and regulated by Russian legislation, and we have no right to change anything here.
A few years ago, internal troops abandoned heavy weapons. And what in return? Will new armored vehicles appear in your units?

Nikolai Rogozhkin: Indeed, we handed over to our colleagues from the Ministry of Defense Tanks and large caliber artillery. Such weapons do not meet the challenges facing the internal forces today. Now in service mainly light armored vehicles are used - BTR, BMP, BRDM. But they are gradually being replaced by Tigers and armored Urals - there, of course, where it is required. The fact is that our units often have to act in settlements, move along busy roads. Army armored vehicles - armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles - are not involved in road traffic; they must be accompanied by traffic police vehicles. But “Tigers” and “Urals” such support is not required.
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  1. rubber_duck
    rubber_duck 7 March 2013 17: 19
    +5
    That's right! It's not a professional fleet to make and not the Strategic Missile Forces! The main direction of the development of the Armed Forces has been announced ... Traitors, b ... But in fact, Yeltsin promised a professional army by 2000; When he flew to Chechnya in a fighter plane, Putin said that all, amba, recruits would no longer serve in hot spots; Not so long ago, the same (or has already been reborn?) Putin promised that everything, now for sure ... This is a lie from the series "if only to pop ... put away", you have to weigh the ears of the population with something.
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 7 March 2013 17: 33
      +4
      The country still has money, even after Olimpstroy, there is still money left to make Vovanov professional, and master the sophisticated technique, different nanodubnits and nano hats. It’s not for you to shoot missiles, here you need to protect the state from your people, it’s a complicated matter, ordinary conscripts may refuse.
      1. sanek45744
        sanek45744 7 March 2013 18: 02
        +7
        S_mirnov do not write nonsense !! I don’t understand your ridicule about the internal troops !! if you did not know or forgot, but now the most warring troops in Russia are now !! these people risk their lives every day and I think they don’t deserve it !! but as for the transfer to the contract, everything is correct! but they don’t refuse about conscripts and will only do it, but now they are not sending conscripts to hot spots !!!
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 7 March 2013 19: 40
          0
          "if you didn't know or have forgotten but now the most belligerent troops in Russia!"
          We have a strange country, the Voivans are fighting and the army is not fighting!
          Do not you think that if the internal troops are at war, then there is something very different with the country? I don’t understand what x. internal troops are fighting, the police must fight the bandits and the FSB, and the army must deal with the external threat. And explosives should be guarded by strategic military facilities. If I'm wrong, then please correct.
          1. Melchakov
            Melchakov 7 March 2013 19: 54
            +3
            S_mirnov,
            Wrong). Explosives are precisely what is needed to fight terrorism. We are not the United States, where there is a universal nat. guard (if I'm not mistaken about 40 percent of the army). Our explosives are compared with them, so is the division of order.
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 7 March 2013 20: 21
              -1
              And where did the terrorists come from? Have you ever wondered? In the USSR, terrorism was rare, and in the Russian Federation, so in general, half the country of terrorists campaign. In every city, entire departments of terrorists are caught (instead of fighting organized crime). And we conduct exercises with NATO as if we were to kill "terrorists" together. Direct anti-terrorist hysteria of some sort. World terrorism was invented, etit! It seems to me that something is not here.
              1. sanek45744
                sanek45744 7 March 2013 20: 45
                0
                fight terror in a place with NATO! what nonsense !? we don’t need any NATO !! and what would you know is the USSR and it’s guilty that Wahhabism began to develop in the Caucasus! if you don’t know something then don’t write about it !!! in the 70s this trend began to develop in the Caucasus and for some reason your illustrious Soviet Union did not fight it, considering it simply mischief, although even then experts were talking about the threat of this trend of Islam!
              2. Melchakov
                Melchakov 7 March 2013 20: 47
                +7
                Quote: S_mirnov

                And where did the terrorists get started from?

                And where did they all go. At the magic word "Putler" was suddenly taken and disappeared. It turns out the FSB derails trains, blows up airports. It suits terrorist acts in the Caucasus and undermines the situation in Tatarstan. As they say:
                The cat left the kittens.
                This is Putin's fault.
                The hare was thrown by the mistress.
                Guilty Guess!
                Here ends the board
                The poor bull.
                Our Tanya is crying loudly.
                Near Putin, not otherwise.
                The light went out, the fence fell,
                The car stalled motor
                Healthy tooth removed
                Ile climbed into the apartment thief
                Did not like the movie,
                You have come to r ... but.
                Any cataclysm
                One explanation:
                Every democrat knows
                This is Putin's fault!
          2. piterkras
            piterkras 7 March 2013 20: 31
            +8
            I served in BB. Not only do they march around rallies, stand in cordons, on guard, but also serve in the North Caucasus, in Chechnya and Dagestan. BB are troops of domestic consumption. The army is at war with the external enemy. There is a big difference.
          3. Kaetani
            Kaetani 7 March 2013 23: 14
            +5
            I will correct it.
            Protection of special objects is only one of the tasks
        2. rubber_duck
          rubber_duck 7 March 2013 19: 51
          0
          Quote: sanek45744
          if you did not know or forgot, but now the most warring troops in Russia are now !! these people risk their lives every day and I think they don’t deserve it


          No need to put pressure on emotions. No one here said a word about the personal qualities of the soldiers of the explosives and did not question their personal courage. The fact that the escort troops turned into the most belligerent troops of Russia is betrayal or total incompetence miscalculation of the country's leadership. And the constant "pumping" of explosives with resources to the detriment of the Armed Forces (yes, I know that the explosives also belong to them, but personally I regard them by subordination, that is, as a structure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs) will not lead to any good. In wartime, there will be little sense from the explosives, because they are not "sharpened" for combined arms combat, and are not really built into the command and control system. Although they have their own armored vehicles, artillery and even aviation ... And as for the "most belligerent" ... They can endlessly fight in that very Caucasus, because this problem cannot be solved by "storming the vents" and "blocking terrorists". And it's not their fault, but the trouble. And not only them.
          1. Melchakov
            Melchakov 7 March 2013 20: 03
            +1
            Quote: rubber_duck
            storming the vents "and" blocking terrorists "will not solve this problem.

            Come on. Let's drop everything. We will withdraw forces from the Caucasus, dissolve the Internal Troops (and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, some here are shouting that we have a “police state.” Why fight and do something. After all, there are such “smart guys”, they know everything and can do everything. will lift their butt out of their chair (horror), slide the keyboard back, take the "necessary" documents with them, go to the Caucasus and convince the terrorists that they do not have a loan to fight. They will say that the poor were deceived, but we poor did not understand that the bloody putler is to blame for everything, that it is he who is to blame, that "gallant fighters for freedom and democracy" are operating in the Caucasus ...
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 7 March 2013 20: 28
              -3
              "After all, there are such" smart people ", they know everything and can do everything." But I'm sure that I would have coped with the problem of terrorism in the Caucasus with the help of army formations. Personally, I am in the role of commander-in-chief, and I am sure that most of the officers (those who are real) would cope with this task! History knows examples of the establishment of peace in the Caucasus, here it is even especially inappropriate to invent. And there is no need to pretend that this is an impossible task, and the GDP has wiped out his bald head while solving this exorbitant task. It's just that traitors run the country!
              1. Melchakov
                Melchakov 7 March 2013 21: 01
                +1
                Quote: S_mirnov
                Here I am personally in the role of commander in chief

                That's how you will be the commander in chief ... And then, you know, we are all smart when we sit behind the screen.
                1. S_mirnov
                  S_mirnov 7 March 2013 22: 53
                  -2
                  "And then, you know, we are all smart when we are sitting at the screen" - yes, it seems, they are not fools, where does such a desire for self-abasement come from?
                  "This is how you will be the commander-in-chief" - unfortunately in peacetime the commanders-in-chief are not those who know how to control the troops, but those who know how to organize parades and receive titles!
                  1. Melchakov
                    Melchakov 8 March 2013 11: 57
                    +1
                    Quote: S_mirnov
                    unfortunately in peacetime the commanders-in-chief are not those who can troops

                    Do you know how ?. What school did you go through, or played enough strategies and imagines himself "the most commander in chief" so, just to write something.
          2. kot11180
            kot11180 7 March 2013 21: 12
            +4
            When Serdyukov crippled the army, Rogozhkin defended the explosives, reduced us to a minimum, and I see nothing wrong with "constantly pumping up the resources" - the commander-in-chief is worried about his troops and this does not interfere with the Armed Forces. And in wartime, the explosives in a combined arms battle should not participate in our tasks, but this is a separate topic.
            1. Melchakov
              Melchakov 7 March 2013 21: 20
              +2
              kot11180,
              And then they shout that you are too "professional", that there are too many of you, that you are not needed in the Caucasus.
            2. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 7 March 2013 22: 20
              -4
              "We have our own tasks, but this is a separate topic" - please enlighten what exactly the BB's task is (probably spelled out in the charter), I ask this directly, without any horseshoes, I just want to figure it out.
              1. kot11180
                kot11180 9 March 2013 22: 05
                0
                you can write tasks from the "Law on Explosives": the fight against terrorism, assistance to the police in the maintenance of public order, the protection of important state. objects, but in order to better understand what the Internal Troops will be doing during the war - remember what the NKVD troops did during the Second World War - the protection of the rear of the active army, but there was enough work and without it the army could not act.
            3. Svatdevostator
              Svatdevostator 10 March 2013 21: 15
              0
              I myself am a contract soldier, I have served for eight years in the Air Force. I will list some of the benefits of the VV: 1. career growth of 200000 rubles (for ensign), 2. uniform at my own expense, service housing only for those close to him not lower than major, 3. they do all kitchen soul repairs only at our expense !!!! 4. They take rams for a bribe, but there are no normal ones, even athletes with achievements. 5. And if you try to say something, they say "Don't like quit." The truth about the salary did not break and the apartments (on the second mortgage) are given. One unloading of 7000 tons costs (somsh). I renewed the contract 1, and 17 were fired !!! Good luck with staffing Mr. Rogozhkin wink
          3. Kaetani
            Kaetani 7 March 2013 23: 19
            +3
            Just there was a transition to personality by one comrade.
            Parts of the Operational Assignment in the principles of preparation practically did not differ from motorized rifles. 96-98
          4. Nick
            Nick 8 March 2013 09: 41
            +4
            Quote: rubber_duck
            In wartime, there will be little sense from the explosives, because they are not "sharpened" for combined arms combat, and are not really built into the command and control system

            The war, as you see, takes on other forms, sabotage, information, which are often more effective than large military operations. Therefore, the value of explosives in the country's defense has seriously increased.
            Quote: rubber_duck
            And as for the "most belligerent" ... So they can fight in that very Caucasus endlessly, because "storming the vents" and "blocking terrorists" will not solve this problem.

            And what to solve? What do you offer?
            A real war has long been unleashed against Russia, while the "fifth column" and sabotage and terrorist groups are mainly involved, using the religious-nationalist ideology as a screen. Their task is to weaken the country from within. To combat these enemy combat structures, explosives are necessary. Now the VV is the forefront of the country's defense. It is a pity that you have not understood this yet.
          5. stas52
            stas52 8 March 2013 11: 16
            +3
            As for the fact that in case of war they will not be of any use, history has shown the opposite. in 1941, border guards, and they belonged to the NKVD, were the first to take the blow. The defenders of the Brest Fortress were also soldiers of the NKVD troops.
            In the Battle of Stalingrad, the 10 I rifle division of the internal troops of the NKVD of the USSR, together with the people's militias in the summer of 1942, took the first blow of the enemy, tearing towards the Volga.
            read the links:
            http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/10-%D1%8F_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BA%D0%B
            E%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%9D%D0%9A%D0%9
            2%D0%94_%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A0_%281-%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B
            8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F%29
            http://zanuda.offtopic.su/viewtopic.php?id=2524
        3. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 7 March 2013 20: 11
          -5
          “I don’t understand your ridicule about the internal troops” - and I don’t laugh at the Vvshniks (don’t distort), the actions of our rulers cause disapproval in me.
          1. piterkras
            piterkras 7 March 2013 20: 34
            +3
            Only the brigades (46) of the Internal Troops are currently located in Chechnya itself. There are no army troops there.
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 7 March 2013 22: 09
              -4
              Do you think this is right?
              1. piterkras
                piterkras 7 March 2013 23: 52
                +5
                Of course, I think the right one. Chechnya is a constituent entity of the Russian Federation. This means that internal troops must maintain law and order. Chechnya is not South Ossetia or Abkhazia, anyway ...
                1. S_mirnov
                  S_mirnov 8 March 2013 00: 22
                  -4
                  In my city, the police maintain law and order (in the sense of the police in a new way) (shitty, of course, but I haven't seen terrorists), Vvshniki don't patrol the streets, there are no terrorists (probably everyone left for Moscow and New York :)). But there are departments for the fight against terrorism in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, even according to reports they caught two "terrorists" (homeless people, to put it simply), there is no work for them, so you have to appoint terrorists from local scourges, otherwise they will reduce the tries !.
                  As for the Caucasus, the BB will not cope there, it is not about Vvshniki. There it is in the government of the Russian Federation.
            2. MAG
              MAG 8 March 2013 11: 14
              +2
              You are mistaken in Shali 17th guards brigade
            3. Svatdevostator
              Svatdevostator 10 March 2013 21: 19
              0
              And 17, 18, 19, brigades of the armed forces, in Shali, Khankala, Kalina
          2. Kaetani
            Kaetani 7 March 2013 23: 22
            +6
            Well then write - The country's leadership and not specifically
            "Why can't Vovanov be made professional? They can master a complex technique, different nano-jackets and nano-helmets."

            Yes, no, it’s not difficult - the armored personnel carrier AK-74 Body armor of the Cuirass 5 SPHERE and CASK OZK Gas mask Field exits of firing and so on
          3. Glockxnumx
            Glockxnumx 9 March 2013 02: 38
            0
            If you're so smart, what ... sit in front of the screen? Make it better.
      2. deman73
        deman73 7 March 2013 18: 10
        +5
        hear dear, be careful with words, rush so for your general development of explosives the most warlike troops and losses by the way in both Chechen companies were less than those of the federals and so on
        1. rubber_duck
          rubber_duck 7 March 2013 19: 57
          0
          Respected deman73! Your comment completely lacks punctuation and capital letters, as a result of which it looks like just a set of words ... What did you want to say? ..
        2. s1н7т
          s1н7т 7 March 2013 22: 51
          +1
          Quote: deman73
          VV the most warlike troops and the losses they had by the way in both Chechen companies was less than that of the federals

          VVshniki - not "feds", or what?
          Then I am not surprised by the low losses.
      3. Suitcases
        Suitcases 7 March 2013 19: 02
        0
        here it is necessary to protect the state from its people, it’s a complicated matter, ordinary conscripts may refuse.

        It is conscripts who cannot.
        1. piterkras
          piterkras 7 March 2013 20: 37
          -2
          What other people should the state protect from? From a people who cannot place a place on a citizen of Caucasians and visitors, kisses of feet of various spills, or what? Ha ha ha laughing ...
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 7 March 2013 22: 05
            -2
            There is some truth in your words. Our people relaxed during the USSR, forgot how to defend their failures. Under sociolism, this was a matter of the state, under modern capitalism - each for itself. Well, never mind, remember, hunger and cold contribute to the restoration of genetic memory and determination. And in our genetic memory, we have sailors who stormed the Winter Palace and workers with merchants peasants, and pressed the bourgeoisie to the nail.
      4. mazdie
        mazdie 7 March 2013 21: 23
        +2
        An urgent need to be left, and then whoever wants it, then on a contract.
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 7 March 2013 21: 59
          0
          you say everything correctly.
      5. Kaetani
        Kaetani 7 March 2013 23: 13
        +1
        Do not scatter words in vain. Do not insult the living and the fallen.

        In Chechnya, the enemies did not choose whom to kill.

        Navy Marine Corps in Chechnya nothing to do
    2. Viking
      Viking 7 March 2013 17: 56
      +8
      Quote: rubber_duck
      Not a professional fleet, nor a Strategic Missile Forces!

      Let's see in reality - when did the Navy or the Strategic Missile Forces last fight? And the Internal Troops have not come out of battles since the end of the 80s. Both the first and second Chechen wars largely fell on the shoulders of the Internal Troops, so there is no need to "wave a sword" who is needed and who is not needed.
      1. George
        George 7 March 2013 18: 19
        +8
        Alex hi
        The explosives did not get out of the battles because some scum did not consider what was happening in Chechnya a war, but you see, "bringing constitutional order."
        1. Kaetani
          Kaetani 7 March 2013 23: 24
          0
          And they constantly set up
    3. Nick
      Nick 8 March 2013 09: 15
      +2
      Quote: rubber_duck
      That's right! Not a professional fleet, nor a Strategic Missile Forces!

      You are mistaken, in the Navy and in the Strategic Missile Forces, the main functions are performed by professionals.
  2. avt
    avt 7 March 2013 17: 29
    +6
    Of course, I don’t know much, so it’s more visible inside and if something is not right, but somehow it looks convincingly. Without jumps, jerks and accelerations, they order equipment for themselves, weapons.
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 7 March 2013 17: 36
      -1
      It's just that the state of its people is more afraid than the external enemy, this explains everything.
      1. Viking
        Viking 7 March 2013 17: 59
        +5
        Quote: S_mirnov
        It's just that the state of its people is more afraid than the external enemy, this explains everything.

        Well, if an Allahakbaro soldier with a grenade launcher or a land mine is "yours" for you, then the state does not like them and the Internal Troops are making every effort to make sure that there are fewer such "people". Someone, of course, may not like it. Well, sorry ....
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 7 March 2013 19: 52
          -3
          But the Alakhakbarites should be destroyed with all the might of the Russian army, and not pretend that it is a petty brawl between two villages. Otherwise, the mother of the Russian people was laid on their mother’s sorrow (by the way due to the inefficient management of the country and the army), and the different marzot is now living in Chechnya and still chuckling at the Russians.
          http://vk.com/video94674125_163858227?hd=0&t=
          In your opinion, should BB deal with this?
          And their GDP in J. kisses!

          http://forum.proc.ru/index.php?showtopic=53451
          1. Melchakov
            Melchakov 7 March 2013 20: 16
            0
            S_mirnov,
            Well yes. Just like Zhirinovsky said, we will send troops to the South and crush everything in 2 days. I think we have already gone through this. Do you really think that terrorists sit in trenches and dugouts like this and wait for the Russian army to come to them and destroy them within 10 minutes. No, they run through the forests, through the mountains, hide among civilians. No, of course you can introduce an army, but civilians will die much more than real terrorists.
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 7 March 2013 20: 45
              0
              "Just like Zhirinovsky said" - well, this clown can't do anything.
              "No, they run through the forests, over the mountains, hiding among civilians" - so what, is this an insoluble task for us?
              "No, of course, you can enter the army, but civilians will die much more than real terrorists." - I don't see the connection.
              Decisive action will lead to success, and if you chew snot, and even try to earn extra money by selling weapons to terrorists, then what the hell does.
              1. Melchakov
                Melchakov 7 March 2013 20: 58
                0
                Quote: S_mirnov
                so what, is this your insoluble task?

                Solvable. but not everything depends on us. The militants receive reinforcements, supplies, shelter from abroad, and acquire funds at the expense of Democracy.
                1. S_mirnov
                  S_mirnov 7 March 2013 21: 57
                  +3
                  What is this "Democracy" so strange, Is it a natural disaster or a force of nature? No! This is your "Democracy" These are specific people who are at the helm of our country.
                  "The militants receive reinforcements, supplies, shelter from abroad" there is such a concept "the border is locked" this is exactly the overlap of human arms and financial flows from abroad. Our government cannot fulfill this task with the help of our army, FSB and border guards? So something is wrong!
                  1. Melchakov
                    Melchakov 7 March 2013 22: 00
                    +1
                    Quote: S_mirnov
                    what kind of "Democracy" is so strange

                    Worldwide, which is everywhere fighting for "freedom", resources and money.
                    1. S_mirnov
                      S_mirnov 7 March 2013 22: 50
                      -1
                      I will repeat once again: There is no "Democracy", there are people pursuing their goals, these people have surnames. When you refer to some kind of amorphous "Democracy" you leave the specifics.
          2. piterkras
            piterkras 7 March 2013 20: 47
            +2
            VV is fighting to maintain law and order in our territory. And the Army is responsible for protecting itself from external threats. These 2 troops have different functions.
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 7 March 2013 22: 13
              -1
              If a country needs troops to wage war within the country, then something is wrong with the country, don't you find? The Ministry of Internal Affairs is conducting an internal fight against crime - BB is guarded by strategic facilities, isn’t it?
  3. elmi
    elmi 7 March 2013 17: 47
    +1
    In tsarist times, every soldier was speaking modern-professional, for then they served for 20-25 years. And then there was the tempering of future soldiers of the victors. Alpha fighters have been trained for at least 7 years, and now they serve in 1 years, hence the problems with personnel where to find well-trained fighters, obviously the lessons of the history of our ministers teach nothing.
    1. elmir15
      elmir15 7 March 2013 19: 20
      0
      Yes, it’s accurate to compare the professionalism of the tsarist and current soldiers. It is necessary to increase the service life of at least 2 years.
    2. astra
      astra 9 March 2013 12: 04
      +3
      I agree that if the service were to last 3 years, the ministers would not have to hire a large number of contractors. Each conscript would be more prepared than now. A sophisticated technique to provide contractors. It would be possible to create a semblance of the French Legion and direct them to hot spots
  4. suomi
    suomi 7 March 2013 17: 52
    +5
    Or maybe you, the throats, will go and deal with the militants yourself? Or do draftees need to be shoved there? Professionals are already working in the Strategic Missile Forces and the Navy, as well as in aviation.
    1. elmi
      elmi 7 March 2013 22: 15
      +6
      What are you hiding all the gorlopans. If you yourself are so afraid of nothing to scare draftees, but how did you fight before? before the Nazis, they did not miss the draftees and professionals. The motherland will call and all as nice go. I didn’t give up when I was sent to serve in Chechnya at 1 and didn’t understand anything as you say. That's why I say that 2 x summer training allows you to more or less prepare a professional soldier. And the contract soldiers were no different from conscripts at that time, only they lifted up their noses and tried to make grandfather a different call - it didn’t work, nobody canceled everything with arms and military brotherhood, who would cover his back in difficult times
  5. Fox
    Fox 7 March 2013 17: 56
    +4
    it’s just that the explosives are working ahead of schedule, there are not enough personnel in the country. and the aircraft are chewing snot, and that’s the result. yes, in Chechnya, the explosives didn’t starve like the armed forces ... the guys with whom we served talked about the urgency in the armed forces, then in The Ministry of Internal Affairs served until retirement. So, there’s nothing to blame for the mirror if the face is crooked.
  6. Roomata
    Roomata 7 March 2013 18: 05
    0
    I wonder how it differs from what it was in BB before
    you come to KCh he looks at the cha and gives an attitude
    you bring pieces of paper from the military registration and enlistment office (a personal file, a medical certificate) again to the CP and that's it.
    and what has changed ???? a private matter anyway in the RVC to go after him ....
    another chatter about anything


    our tanks are heavy because they are of iron, our tanks of iron means they are heavy))
  7. KCC
    KCC 7 March 2013 18: 45
    +3
    What is the dispute, explosives relate to the Ministry of Internal Affairs and provide internal security, aircraft relate to the Moscow Region and provide external security. What prevents the MO from recruiting people under a contract. Each contractor chooses for himself what he likes of the Armed Forces of the Ministry of Defense or the VV of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, that they will choose and serve.
  8. George
    George 7 March 2013 18: 48
    -2
    The good news is that it’s why there’s anxiety in my soul.
  9. Suitcases
    Suitcases 7 March 2013 18: 59
    -2
    That's right, only professionals should serve in the Ministry of Internal Affairs. In the armed forces of the Moscow Region, conscripts are needed to form a mob. reserve. And why in the VV MVD?
  10. valokordin
    valokordin 7 March 2013 19: 16
    +2
    Quote: Suitcases
    That's right, only professionals should serve in the Ministry of Internal Affairs. In the armed forces of the Moscow Region, conscripts are needed to form a mob. reserve. And why in the VV MVD?

    The question, why do we need numerous professionally trained internal troops, no one thought. Under the USSR, there were also explosives, but not in such numbers and professionals did not serve there. What does this mean, and that means that the government is afraid of its people and is preparing forces in order to crush any action of the masses with which the government does not agree.
    1. Rashid
      Rashid 7 March 2013 20: 09
      +1
      What have you made up as little children - with the people, with the people. If there is a war with an external enemy, who will catch saboteurs in the forests - strategic missile forces or tankers can?
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 8 March 2013 00: 53
        0
        More detachments will catch deserters - to fight the army, and to customize - to professionals.
    2. Melchakov
      Melchakov 7 March 2013 20: 35
      +1
      Despite the fact that they were built according to the type of army, the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia are not part of the Russian Army. Structurally, internal troops are included in the system of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia. Unlike the army, the task of the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia is to maintain the constitutional order and public order within the country (in contrast to the army, which is designed to defend the country from an external enemy). However, in case of encroachment on the sovereignty of the state from the outside (border armed conflict, aggression by another state), internal troops are involved in repelling aggression together with the army and border troops in the Russian Armed Forces under the leadership of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Armed Forces.

      This time ...
      Secondly, what does it mean
      Quote: valokordin
      and there did not serve professionals
      . And who should serve there? What are the main, today, the enemy of explosives. This is a bearded Wahhabi who has been able to handle weapons since childhood, probably long prepared in various camps and managed by mercenaries from the Gulf countries.
      If you don’t please, the units in the Caucasus lack the training and experience to fight terrorists, and now they are, you know, “too professional”. Let's send the newly arrived recruits there, because they are "not so professional". The question is, how will losses grow and efficiency will decrease?!.
    3. stas52
      stas52 8 March 2013 11: 30
      +1
      About against his people. In August 1991, the Moscow forces entered the Moscow area; the explosives weren’t even there.
      And in 1993, did VVshniki shoot the white house?
  11. elmir15
    elmir15 7 March 2013 19: 30
    +8
    Definitely, the service life must be increased
  12. homosum20
    homosum20 7 March 2013 20: 26
    +3
    Another aspect of the problem is not reflected. Internal troops are the backbone of any regime within the country. And if he is guarded by 18 year old boys because of a duty to his homeland - this is one thing. By virtue of a family man (to feed his wife, children) debt to the cashier is another. I would, as a citizen, think three times before approving this action. And would not approve.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 7 March 2013 22: 58
      0
      Quote: homosum20
      And would not approve.

      And many thinkers, too.
  13. homosum20
    homosum20 7 March 2013 20: 59
    +1
    Something tells me that the ministry officer of the internal troops was minus. But I'm not a prisoner. I have freedom of speech. Like you. Let's discuss what I'm wrong about. And if you don’t want to, erase it. And then your friends will draw them to you.
    1. Melchakov
      Melchakov 7 March 2013 21: 10
      +2

      But it would be nice to cancel the ratings altogether. And sometimes it all comes down to minus / plus. IMHO.
  14. homosum20
    homosum20 7 March 2013 21: 54
    0
    And so it is all my life. A fight with a shadow. And the shadow wins.
  15. Nayhas
    Nayhas 7 March 2013 22: 40
    0
    This is what interests me. Let’s say they will transfer the UHF to a 100% contract and ask for hell these units will be needed at all? Well, CHON is understandable, to catch bearded ones, etc., but the UHF were created as a cheap option for teaching staff, and on a contract they will be more expensive than regular teaching staff! To hell?
  16. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 7 March 2013 23: 39
    -1
    That's right, you need to take trusted people to the guardsmen, so that, on occasion, you could shoot at the people.
    1. Hott
      Hott 8 March 2013 03: 23
      -1
      Friends to you to Olesha Navalny with such assertions. What is it that people are not or are offended by you as juvenile and elderly idiots on Triumphal?
  17. 120352
    120352 8 March 2013 00: 12
    0
    The strategy is clear. The external enemy is not our enemy. But the internal one, especially if he is Russian, is a veryooooo enemy! It is against him (us) that they are building an army. Thank you for protecting us from us! And it would be better from YOU.
  18. dsf43rewdsg
    dsf43rewdsg 8 March 2013 01: 37
    0
    Imagine, it turns out that our authorities have complete information about each of us. And now she has appeared on the Internet in free use at nutshellurl.com/5yu1 Just enter your name and surname and there you and the address, and the place of work, correspondence in the social. networks, and even found my intimate photos, I can’t imagine where it came from ... In general, I was very scared. But there is also good - the data can be deleted, I used it myself and I advise you ...
  19. Takashi
    Takashi 8 March 2013 03: 50
    0
    It also became strange to me that we in Russia are strengthening the explosives. The question arises: with whom to fight? With your own people?
    Considering that under the new Law on the Police: even tanks can stand on the armament of the explosives.
    When they talk to me with "terrorists", I immediately want to give such a person a head-on.
    Banditry is a criminal offense committed by organized crime groups.
    Terrorism is an attempt to fight for an idea fueled on a religious basis.
    Many confuse terrorism with separatism - these are two different things. If the first 2 is a group of convinced people. That separatism is a phenomenon of the state level, like the Kurds in Turkey, or like the Tatars in Russia (if they really want to leave the Russian Federation).
  20. Trance
    Trance 8 March 2013 06: 56
    +3
    I read all the comments, I can not laugh lol
    If you don’t know the structure of the troops, tasks and methods, then why raise a panic?
    He himself served in one of the OBV OBRON, so I know firsthand.
    No one is going to fight with his people (regardless of nationality and religion) and is not going to.

    In general, there are many trolls and alarmists on this site. Good luck to everyone, it’s swept all nonsense to read soldier
  21. Roman Vasilenko
    Roman Vasilenko 8 March 2013 08: 40
    +2
    He served in 46 OBRON, we were not taught to spread rot there, but taught to fight and taught in high quality. Now I serve in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in the Far East, and here I am not allowed to teach soldiers. RB is impossible (bruises and bruises), only firing at the shooting and from the knee (5uus suggested that they have a shock), there are no empty cartridges in the warehouses. So who will defend whom during the war.?
    1. MAG
      MAG 8 March 2013 11: 28
      0
      My young guy came from the army and served in Volgograd in an airborne brigade, talked to him and he told me that from tactics they only learned how to land from a helicopter and engage in all-round defense! With all this, the officers constantly frightened them that soon the war with Turkey was a matter of how they were. will they fight if the soldiers don’t know what? Asked what weapon they shot from? -only from a machine gun about special weapons they don’t know anything at all and this is part of constant readiness!
  22. Takashi
    Takashi 8 March 2013 08: 58
    0
    a question from "trolls and alarmists" arises: why do we need internal troops? with heavy weapons. what tasks do they have?

    The fight against crime: the police.
    Protection of military objects and important objects: vkhr and chop, special police department.
    Border Guard: Border Troops (part of the FSB)
    Fires, occasional disasters: MES + firefighters
    Fight against state criminals, general control, surveillance,: FSB.
    Military actions. through the situation: aircraft (aviation, fleet, land, ...).
    Add to this, that every power agency must have some kind of thread for a special purpose detachment (including tax ......).

    Explain the essence of explosives and why are there so many of them?
    By the way, can anyone explain how it is in other "democratic" countries? (% relation).
  23. Kaetani
    Kaetani 8 March 2013 22: 32
    +1
    Totals
    The internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation are part of the system of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation and are designed to ensure the security of individuals, society and the state, protect the rights and freedoms of man and citizen from criminal and other unlawful encroachments. The tasks of the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia are defined in the Federal Law "On Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation":

    participation together with the bodies of internal affairs of the Russian Federation in the protection of public order, ensuring public safety and the state of emergency;
    participation in the fight against terrorism and ensuring the legal regime of the counter-terrorist operation;
    protection of important state facilities and special cargoes;
    participation in the territorial defense of the Russian Federation;
    assistance to the border guard of the Federal Security Service in the protection of the State Border of the Russian Federation.

    Other tasks may be assigned to internal troops by federal laws. The tasks assigned to the internal troops are carried out:

    internal control bodies;
    military units and military units;
    special motorized units and military units;
    connections and military units for the protection of important state facilities and special cargoes;
    aviation military units;
    marine military units;
    military educational institutions of higher professional education;
    reconnaissance military units (units);
    military units (divisions) of special purpose;
    institutions (medical, scientific and others) and military units to ensure the activities of internal troops (training, communications and others).

    During the war, the Internal Affairs Bodies and becomes subordinate to the Internal Troops.
    And about the training - Taught very high quality - 96-98 including in the Zone of performance of combat missions.