Will Typhoon-PVO become part of the new air defense echelon?

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Will Typhoon-PVO become part of the new air defense echelon?


The issue of increasing the effectiveness of Russia's air defense shield is currently at the forefront of government discussions on the country's security.

The extensive military-technical development of unmanned aerial vehicles and, in general, air strike weapons, requires new, including innovative, developments from the Russian military-industrial complex, specifically designed to destroy small-sized targets.

In essence, we are talking about a new, “super-small” echelon of air defense. And for its formation, appropriate military-technical means are needed, capable, among other things, of repelling massive and combined air strikes.

Small Drones, first of all – FPV-drones – today are one of the most dangerous means of air destruction on the front line. Fast, maneuverable, and most importantly – very cheap compared to the targets they hit.

Recently, Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev personally visited the Kapustin Yar training ground, where he became familiar with a number of the latest and most promising air defense systems capable of hitting targets at low altitudes and at range.


Thus, Dmitry Medvedev was shown the Typhoon anti-aircraft gunners’ combat vehicle.Defense", the anti-aircraft complex "Derivation-PVO", improved anti-aircraft mounts ZU-23 and other mobile air defense systems. At the training ground, these systems successfully hit simulated drone targets.

The Typhoon-PVO anti-aircraft gunner combat vehicle deserves special mention.

This mobile air defense system was developed and created on the initiative of the Izhevsk Electromechanical Plant Kupol (part of the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern) using its own resources, at the request of the Air Defense Forces Directorate of the Ground Forces.

This combat vehicle, firstly, significantly expands the capabilities of the army's air defense, and secondly, it can accommodate five fighters and portable anti-aircraft guns. missile complexes.

The Typhoon-PVO combat vehicle was built on the basis of the Typhoon armored vehicle with increased protection. It is equipped with a 350-horsepower engine, automatic transmission and independent hydropneumatic suspension.

The vehicle can withstand an explosion of up to 6 kilograms of explosives under the bottom and under the wheels. Its ballistic protection of the hull made of ceramic armor and armor steel can protect the crew from 12,7 mm bullets. The Typhoon-PVO combat vehicle provides high mobility for MANPADS anti-aircraft gunners, quickly delivering soldiers to firing positions.

The ammunition load of the Typhoon-PVO crew is 9 anti-aircraft guided missiles MANPADS. As noted by the creators of the combat vehicle, the version equipped with the Verba MANPADS system ensures the interception of airborne weapons flying at a speed of up to 420 m/sec, at a range of 500 to 6 thousand meters, and at an altitude of up to 3,5 km.

A number of experts have already deservedly called the military innovation from the designers of the Izhevsk Electromechanical Plant "Kupol" a "work of military art".
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  1. +1
    3 October 2024 16: 16
    A number of experts have already deservedly called the military innovation from the designers of the Izhevsk Electromechanical Plant "Kupol" a "work of military art".

    There are still master gunsmiths on Russian soil!
    1. +1
      4 October 2024 23: 10
      There are still master gunsmiths on Russian soil!

      And the masters of PR...
    2. 0
      5 October 2024 14: 02
      If this Typhoon had a remote control warfare system with a modern radar and automatic tracking system that could detect drones at a distance sufficient for a reaction, and a low-pulse, short-barreled 20-30 mm cannon with a programmable canister shot BC to destroy them within a radius of 10-2000 m, then this could be called a "work of military art". Because this is exactly what the army needs, such a remote control warfare system can be attached to a tank, an infantry fighting vehicle, an armored personnel carrier, and a Typhoon, and such a remote control warfare system can work not only against drones, but also against manpower in trenches, through windows. And the fact that several fighters with MANPADS were stuck in the Typhoon and a couple of MANPADS were attached to the roof does not qualify as a "work of military art", and for the air defense system it is a completely useless machine, air defense against aircraft, helicopters, cruise missiles is completely useless, expensive and redundant against drones.
  2. +2
    3 October 2024 16: 17
    A whole tangle of contradictory conditions and requirements does not contribute to the saturation of the front line, and the space behind it, with the necessary air defense systems.
  3. +12
    3 October 2024 16: 33
    I don't understand a damn thing.

    Is this just an armored vehicle for MANPADS?
    Why does he have a roof mount then?

    Is this a MANPADS launcher?
    Why do you need a 5-person crew then? Three is more than enough.

    Or does it have a module with an anti-aircraft machine gun?
    But not a word about this...
    1. +4
      3 October 2024 16: 42
      Actually, the armored fighting vehicle with the roof mount is not a Typhoon but a Tiger
    2. AAK
      +7
      3 October 2024 16: 49
      Indeed, it is impossible to understand anything. Firstly, in the photo, if my memory serves me right, the quadruple MANPADS installation is not on the Typhoon, but on the Tigr. Perhaps the complex also includes a small radar on the second vehicle - then the missiles are in the version with a radar seeker, but I don’t know if there are any for the Verba? Secondly: the cost of 1 MANPADS is at least 3-4 FPV drones, and the speed of the MANPADS is several times higher than that required to destroy UAVs that fly from 100 to 300 km/h, i.e. it is only profitable to use missiles for medium-heavy UAVs or similar to the same Lancet, and there are not that many of them, about five to six times the number of FPVs. It is also unclear what type of seeker is on these MANPADS? Well, as a colleague said - where is the shooting module and at least some kind of thermal imager, small UAVs practically do not glow in the radar and IR range, and it is not known what the result is in the UV range? In general, again a charred ass for the past war as a result of sawing.....
      1. +6
        3 October 2024 16: 59
        In general, once again the ash heap for the past war was wasted as a result...

        I would say that this is against helicopters, but not against FPV.
        I wrote a little lower what I think is needed against UAVs.
    3. +6
      3 October 2024 17: 15
      Quote: bk316
      Is this just an armored vehicle for MANPADS?

      Yes, that's right. In general, it's simply a more modern and comfortable vehicle than the previously used BRDM-2 or GAZ-66.
      Quote: bk316
      Why do you need a 5-person crew then? Three is more than enough.

      A standard anti-aircraft gunner squad: squad leader, driver, three anti-aircraft gunners.
    4. +7
      3 October 2024 17: 33
      The photo shows a Tiger with a Gibka-S. And the Typhoon-PVO is, as you rightly said, simply a transport for transporting shooters with MANPADS. I won't talk about the usefulness of such an option in the troops. But in my opinion, the Gibka is preferable at least due to its efficiency. It's one thing to dismount a group, and another to shoot directly from the module. It's absolutely unclear what the "feature" of this armored fighting vehicle is.
    5. +1
      3 October 2024 22: 31
      Quote: bk316
      Is this a MANPADS launcher?
      Why do you need a 5-person crew then? Three is more than enough.


      The photo shows the Gibka-S complex.
      The Dome developed this crap


      And this is just bullshit. Another attempt by KAMAZ to shove an unnecessary remnant of the Typhoon program into the army.
  4. +11
    3 October 2024 16: 35
    We need (the day before yesterday) shells with remote detonation of different calibers! I'm not sure that the necessary scheme can be inserted into a 23-mm shell, but it is quite possible into a 30-mm shell, and even more so into a 57-mm shell. After all, the Verba MANPADS against FPV drones is "shooting sparrows with a cannon"! In the meantime, the most effective means in the SVO zone are 12-gauge shotguns with No. 3 shot.
    1. 0
      3 October 2024 16: 49
      We need (the day before yesterday) shells with remote detonation of different calibers! I'm not sure that the necessary scheme can be inserted into a 23-mm shell, but it is quite possible into a 30-mm shell, and even more so into a 57-mm shell.


      In general, it seems to me that the best solution against drones, whether FPV or long-range, based on the A-223, or even Baba Yaga, would be the following solution.

      The same Tiger with a module with an automatic twin or rotary 12 mm machine gun under the control of a multi-range OES. The crew has 2 separate MANPADS with willows. Naturally, electronic warfare and mine protection. Cheap and cheerful, can be made in hundreds. No shells with remote detonation, a robotic module with OES should have time to shoot down FPV with a reserve. It can also be used against helicopters. Well, if you put it around an oil depot, no A-20 will fly.
      1. AAK
        0
        3 October 2024 16: 57
        It is still preferable to have a "gatling", the twin will beat the "pepelats" harder from the recoil. Well, and earlier they wrote something about small-sized mm-range radars for detecting small-sized targets at close range, and even in the UV range the rotating blades of hovering copters should glow in contrast
    2. 0
      3 October 2024 16: 57
      For now, the most effective weapon in the SVO zone is a 12-gauge shotgun with #3 pellets.

      This is against FPV, and long-range aircraft-type pellets will not reach.
    3. +2
      3 October 2024 16: 57
      We needed (the day before yesterday) remote-detonating shells of different calibers!
      I fully support it, but other means from UAVs are also needed.
      You can't cover a support base on a LBS with an AZSU, its range is too short, and it itself won't be hidden by UAVs
      MANPADS versus FPV drones, it's like "shooting sparrows with a cannon"!
      it is truth too!
      And how can a fighter on LBS fight off FPiVishki? Now shotguns and electronic warfare, but this does not provide complete protection, something more effective and productive is needed, soon we should expect the use of a swarm of UAVs.
      1. +11
        3 October 2024 17: 29
        My son came from Kherson region, told me about a story a month ago, at night "Yaga" started to prowl over the position, the "youngsters" started to lose their nerves, they were ready to jump out of the dugout (and... they'll cover everyone), my son took a Kalashnikov - just make a move! Everyone sit like mice! "Yaga" has a "teplak", just jump out - the whole dugout is buried. Six drops is not that... He held the youngsters back, explained what's what. And "Yaga" flew away... Lucky. Experience... It needs to be given out generously. A lot depends on it.
        1. +6
          3 October 2024 17: 49
          bow for my son and bow to my son too hi
      2. +3
        3 October 2024 17: 36
        "...soon we should expect the use of a swarm of UAVs." True! Therefore, against a swarm - shells with remote detonation! NATO has such shells. And we have... Something, once, flashed in the insert. And that's where it ended! lol
      3. +3
        3 October 2024 17: 42
        Nowhere in the world has anyone yet come up with a reliable defense against this nasty "little thing." Maybe bright minds will come up with something like an EMI with a detector-discoverer of FPV in one box.
    4. +1
      3 October 2024 17: 38
      Not long ago there was a note on the site about 5,45 cartridges with a shot filling. I don't remember the details. The idea is to not carry separate barrels, but simply change magazines. Well, this is an additional BC of course. Well, at least something for ordinary infantry.
    5. +1
      3 October 2024 20: 06
      For now, the most effective weapon in the SVO zone is a 12-gauge shotgun with #3 pellets.

      What if there are also quad shotguns? A? It will completely become part of the air defense echelon!!!
      (Joke). You never know.
  5. -7
    3 October 2024 16: 47
    Reading under almost every article about new Russian weapons the streams of criticism, full of arrogant pathos and narcissistic self-admiration, one wants to ask, who are the judges? Who are these commentators, who only know how to slander and vacuum?
    But there will be no answer, if you don't count the vengeful and powerless minuses. That's what they are, the real patriots. They themselves have achieved nothing in life, and therefore do not want others to succeed.
    1. AAK
      +7
      3 October 2024 17: 01
      Dear, please keep in mind that most of the commentators on SV are retired members of the Armed Forces or other security agencies, including some with engineering education and military combat experience. And if it is clear that they are trying to sell various crap for the wunderwaffe, then there is no need to be indignant without reason...
      1. -8
        3 October 2024 17: 06
        Quote: AAK
        some with engineering backgrounds

        What's the point of education if you learned "something and somehow", and then worked with the same diligence? It is clear that there is zero benefit from such specialists. Accordingly, the same is the price of their opinion. They pursue one thing - to slander, humiliate and devalue other people's efforts. But the irony is that they can't even do this.
        1. AAK
          +6
          3 October 2024 17: 07
          Arguments to the studio! .........
          1. -4
            3 October 2024 17: 20
            If you please. A person who is satisfied with himself and his life, who has successfully resolved internal conflicts and is in harmony with himself, is peaceful, friendly, reserved. That is, he has those qualities that, judging by the tone of most comments, filled with hysterical aggression and malice, the local contingent is completely devoid of.
            1. +5
              3 October 2024 18: 12

              What's the point of education if you learned "something and somehow" and then worked with the same diligence? It's clear that there is zero benefit from such specialists. Accordingly, their opinion is worth the same.


              A person who is satisfied with himself and his life, who has successfully resolved internal conflicts and is in harmony with himself, is peaceful, friendly, and reserved.


              How is this connected? Has it ever occurred to you that a person who is in great demand in his profession with a wonderful education is not in harmony with himself and is not at all PEACEFUL.
              Didn't come? That's because you are not acquainted either directly or through "one hand" with the truly great people who rebuilt the country from ruins, forged a missile-nuclear shield, brought humanity into space. THEY WERE, EVERY OTHER ONE, as they say, difficult people, they were ABSOLUTELY unpacified, unrestrained and usually rarely friendly.
            2. AAK
              +2
              3 October 2024 18: 31
              And you, my dear, are not from the local contingent, friendly and tolerant, but "true patriots" - evil losers in life... probably graduated from "Pleshka" or HSE, or even, God forbid, in Trinity College Cambridge or in Yale you comprehended harmony in the democratic soul... and now you write posts from Ladoga Center, looking down on us, the poor and wretched, from the heights of a successful life...
            3. +1
              3 October 2024 21: 33
              Quote: Magnetar
              filled with hysterical aggression and anger

              So don't get hysterical... Take criticism calmly. Prove your point with facts, not insults... hi
        2. +8
          3 October 2024 17: 15
          What's the point of education if you learned "something and somehow" and then worked with the same diligence?
          - in fact, engineers from the USSR era created all the weapons that Russia now has, and you are the one trying to humiliate, devalue and slander their achievements negative
          1. -3
            3 October 2024 17: 23
            Quote: faiver
            engineers of the USSR era

            are still successfully working and creating, at least some of them. And those who are incapable of anything, are spiteful in the comments.
            1. +5
              3 October 2024 19: 03
              The format of the site is as follows: there is news, it is commented on and discussed on the topic. Okay, let's now look at the results of the GPV-2020. They molded Armata and modernized T-72 instead of mass production of T-90. Instead of modernizing BMP-3 and mass deliveries of it to the troops, they spent money on airborne equipment, although in the current era of developed
              air defense systems, this initially looked dubious. Where are the long-range and wheeled self-propelled guns? Where is good communication, why are the soldiers running around with baofengs? Why was combat uniform and equipment not purchased in sufficient quantities? Where are the sea minesweepers, submarines, modern torpedoes? And so on, and so forth... What, you say, is not an argument? Yes, of course, honor and praise to those designers, developers and designers, thanks to whom our Strategic Missile Forces are the best in the world, the creators of modern nuclear submarines, Iskander, Su-35 and Su-34, S-400 and Pantsir air defense missile and gun system. The list is incomplete.
      2. +1
        3 October 2024 20: 16
        Most of the commentators on SV are retired members of the Armed Forces or other security agencies, including some with engineering education and military combat experience.
        I seriously doubt it, they don’t ask for a passport during registration.
        Maybe once, but now it's another battleground for political bots, which are now everywhere. There are quite a few interesting comments, but not the majority.
    2. +1
      3 October 2024 17: 02
      But there will be no answer
      - arguing with you is a risk of getting a criminal charge, for example, I didn't downvote you, all people are different
  6. +6
    3 October 2024 16: 56
    The widespread military-technical development of unmanned aerial vehicles and, in general, air strike weapons, requires new, including innovative, developments from the Russian military-industrial complex.
    - i.e. an armored car with fighters armed with the Verba MANPADS is an innovative development? Where is the innovation here? The idea of ​​an armored car is almost 120 years old, the idea of ​​putting anti-aircraft weapons on an armored car is 110 years old, the idea of ​​using missiles as anti-aircraft weapons is 70-80 years old, the idea of ​​MANPADS is 60 years old
    1. +2
      4 October 2024 00: 12
      Quote: faiver
      armed with Verba MANPADS

      Everything is fine... only the author did not even bother to correctly rewrite the technical specifications of the complex. I remember the Ukrops howling loudly when their aircraft were shot down by our MANPADS at altitudes of about 5 km... Igla and Strela could not reach them. And then we were blessed with information about the Verba tests. I looked in WIKI - exactly: altitude reach 4,5 km... (ours, unlike the Yankees, always understate the performance characteristics of their weapons) And in the article we read:
      The Verba MANPADS intercepts airborne weapons flying at speeds of up to 420 m/sec at ranges of 500 to 6 thousand meters, and at an altitude of up to 3,5 km.

      Well, what else can you say? After all, people believe the printed word...
    2. 0
      4 October 2024 15: 34
      the innovation might be medvedev. this is the only air defense system in the world that pays him, and for this it deserves to remove anything else - already functional and better adapted systems, revitalized and cheaper ones, newer and better things etc. it works best together with "belousov" anti-tank systems and "dumin" artillery installed on "serdyukov" vehicle platforms.
      the innovation might be medvedev. this is the only air defense system in the world that pays him, and for this it deserves to remove anything else - already functional and better adapted systems, revitalized and cheaper ones, newer and better things etc. it works best together with "belousov" anti-tank systems and "dumin" artillery installed on "serdyukov" vehicle platforms.
      1. 0
        4 October 2024 16: 52
        and why is this possible? because, besides "shoigu's loyals" (who were very few, the man was isolated), the arrests decimated two critical sectors: logistics and industry-scientific research. these people knew exactly what to send where - they knew which old material has enough ammunition and spare parts to be revitalized or converted and in which quantity, what research projects were promising and which were charlatan tricks. instead of prison, they need to be brought back, even as civilian consultants, because without them anyone can hack the system. and few interesting parallels showing the intention and coordination: a fomin from kazan, like gerasimov, is deputy minister, another one bribed (trapped) ivanov and a third is looked for industrial espionage; a ustinov installed bastrykin that decimated the army as its hand, another one, factory director with no military background, was made marshal by the traitor and gladio agent Andropov to control the army etc.
        and why is this possible? because, besides the "loyal Shoigu" (of which there were very few, the man was isolated), the arrests destroyed two critical sectors: logistics and the research industry. these people knew exactly what to send where - they knew which old material had enough ammunition and spare parts to restore or convert and in what quantities, which research projects were promising and which were quackery. instead of prison, they should be brought back, even as civilian consultants, because without them anyone can hack the system. and some interesting parallels showing intent and coordination: Fomin from Kazan, like Gerasimov, is a deputy minister, another bribed (caught) Ivanov, and a third is wanted for industrial espionage; a certain Ustinov appointed Bastrykin, who destroyed the army, as his own hand, another, a director of a factory with no military experience, was appointed marshal by the traitor Andropov, an agent of Gladio, to control the army, etc.
        1. 0
          10 October 2024 16: 28
          a Serdyukov coming from the defense industry becomes minister of defense, sabotages the companies competing with their own, cuts the old stocks to begin sabotaging and selling them, then starts dubious reforms. another one, that graduated from ryazan, like the Bolgar zhukov, the biggest kiler of soviet soldiers after the fascists themselves, sends the gru spetsnaz to a trap on the airfield near kiev - he is removed by shoigu and brought back by belusov, the nato representativve in the ministry of defense.
          A defense industry graduate, Serdyukov, becomes defense minister, sabotages companies competing with him, cuts old stocks to start sabotaging and selling them off, then begins dubious reforms. Another, a Ryazan graduate, like the Bulgarian Zhukov, the biggest killer of Soviet soldiers after the fascists themselves, sends the GRU special forces into a trap at an airfield near Kiev - he is removed by Shoigu and brought back by Belousov, a NATO representative in the defense ministry.
  7. +7
    3 October 2024 16: 59
    Recently, Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev personally visited the Kapustin Yar training ground, where he became familiar with a number of the latest and most promising air defense systems,

    Does lawyer and popular blogger Dmitry Aifonych Medvedev know anything about air defense systems? Or did he just go to the Astrakhan region to eat fresh caviar and fish and shoot ducks? That's almost air defense, too.
  8. 0
    3 October 2024 17: 18
    The minimum height of destruction is not specified unless it is secret.
    Another question is whether it is possible to install this weapon, for example, on a Sobol or a Gazelle to protect civilian facilities or private oil refineries deep from the front line. soldier
    1. +2
      3 October 2024 17: 33
      You can even carry a MANPADS on a bicycle.
      And it's okay to carry it on foot. It's not even very heavy.
    2. +1
      3 October 2024 17: 33
      Verba can even be used on an electric scooter....... bully
      1. +1
        3 October 2024 17: 38
        It's hard to tell in the photo, but it looks like there's a mini radar there. If so, that's very good.
        1. +3
          3 October 2024 17: 43
          The photo of a Tiger with an anti-aircraft gun on the roof has nothing to do with the article
          1. +1
            4 October 2024 14: 47
            The photo of a Tiger with an anti-aircraft gun on the roof has nothing to do with the article

            Yes, I already understood. To be honest, I'm fed up with these photos that are not related to the articles.
            I almost look at it with a magnifying glass, and then it dawns on me what kind of typhoon is this, it should be one and a half times longer...
  9. +3
    3 October 2024 17: 23
    Such vehicles should be equipped with missiles similar in characteristics to at least the R-73, but not ordinary MANPADS.
    1. +1
      3 October 2024 17: 35
      Then we will get a whole anti-aircraft missile system. And this is already a different functionality. Different goals. Different tasks.
      1. 0
        3 October 2024 17: 54
        Let's assume that if the entire air defense platoon of a battalion were to be placed on such vehicles, that is, one per company, I don't think that it would be more effective than the current reality. Another thing would be to give the same battalion a longer air defense arm.
        1. +1
          3 October 2024 17: 58
          There is no air defense platoon in the battalion.
          There is one MANPADS battery in the regiment's anti-aircraft division.
          There is no air defense "arm" in the battalion. Neither long nor short. Except for anti-aircraft sights on the BMP (if they are installed there) and soldiers trained to shoot at air targets with their standard weapons.
          1. 0
            3 October 2024 18: 06
            And where did the anti-aircraft missile go in "your" battalion? Did you drink it away? winked
            1. +4
              3 October 2024 18: 10
              Okay then. You talked me into it.
              This vehicle is simply a replacement for the currently used GAZ-66 or BRDM-2. Fundamentally, its presence does not change anything.
              1. 0
                4 October 2024 13: 06
                Nonsense, according to what staff is it in an anti-aircraft missile platoon, a BRDM or a Gazon?
                1. 0
                  4 October 2024 13: 11
                  According to the staff of the anti-aircraft missile regiment. In my battery there was both a BRDM and a lawn for the anti-aircraft gunners squad.
                  1. 0
                    4 October 2024 13: 13
                    You can have anything, even a Rolls-Royce, but according to the regulations you should have an armored personnel carrier and an Strela.
                    1. 0
                      4 October 2024 13: 16
                      This is in the infantry. And according to my regulations, I was supposed to have a BRDM-2 and a GAZ-66
          2. +1
            3 October 2024 19: 28
            Each motorized rifle battalion has an anti-aircraft missile platoon on its staff, equipped with the battalion's standard equipment.
            1. +2
              3 October 2024 19: 31
              I already realized above. Well, I'm not an infantryman.
              1. +2
                3 October 2024 19: 44
                It doesn't matter))) The main thing is that self-criticism is present hi
  10. +5
    3 October 2024 18: 35
    What nonsense. Has anyone seen the "Fagot" based on the BRDM in the battles of the SVO? I haven't! And you? And everyone has seen the "Flute". Is this a "stillborn" child or is it just a rip-off? What the hell! I understand the manufacturers - to get a bigger margin with fewer forces - the ideal of a businessman. This is just another piece of nonsense that would never have reached testing in the USSR. Nothing new that would help our troops, some kind of sublimated semi-finished product that only amuses the manufacturers of individual parts of "something" and nothing more.
    1. +1
      3 October 2024 19: 34
      This is simply a new vehicle for the anti-aircraft gunner squad to replace the existing ones.
      1. 0
        3 October 2024 19: 58
        or not anti-aircraft gunners, you can put in sappers, signalmen, you can use it as an armored VIP taxi smile
        1. 0
          3 October 2024 20: 25
          It is possible, but a car was being developed
          at the request of the Air Defense Forces Directorate of the Ground Forces.
  11. -1
    3 October 2024 18: 39
    Against a swarm of drones, either mass electronic warfare, or a barrage of shot shells, or a serious explosion in the air causing a large air wave that will break the little "dragonflies"
  12. +3
    3 October 2024 18: 43
    Are there 5 people sitting there with Verbs? And what are they going to do, sticking their heads out and shooting Verbs at FPV drones? This is a masterpiece, this is what I call a new level of combating drones, but it's pure nonsense
    It is already obvious to everyone that active means of destruction of small drones are needed, something new, electronic warfare will soon become ineffective as soon as drones themselves begin to search for a target and communication with the operator will not be needed, the technology is already on the threshold
    1. +1
      3 October 2024 19: 33
      This is simply a new vehicle for the anti-aircraft gunner squad to replace the existing ones.
      1. 0
        3 October 2024 21: 16
        As is known, the detection range is limited by the line of sight, if the flight altitude is 20-30 m, then minus the trees, the drone can be noticed, for example, 50-100 m away, while the speed of the drone is about 40-50 m / s, a question to those who came up with this, is it generally realistic for a person to shoot down a drone with a MANPADS in such conditions or what?
        1. +1
          3 October 2024 21: 27
          Invented what? A new means of transport?
          It's just a new means of transportation for the fighters.
          If you are talking about MANPADS, then the typical target for MANPADS is not a drone at all.
          Everything you see closer than a hundred meters is not about MANPADS at all.
  13. +1
    3 October 2024 22: 14
    Something in the corridors has completely forgotten about the Sosna SAM. A new cool short-range SAM... just right... for small UAVs
    1. AAK
      0
      3 October 2024 23: 44
      An interesting air defense system, but also completely redundant for combating FPV.
      The main drawback of any SAM system in countering FPV is the reaction time, or rather the lack of it. Here colleagues wrote that it is really possible to detect a FPV above trees or in dense urban development - it takes 2-3 seconds to assess the situation, aim and open fire. Even a qualified operator will have a very hard time hitting a UAV from close range with an automatic small arms (machine gun, machine gun, KKP, MZA), and the missile may not even have time to arm itself at such a short distance.
      1. 0
        4 October 2024 00: 06
        AI needs to be trained to fight such drones, it has a shorter reaction time, combine it with some kind of rifle and go for the medals, a kind of mini-terminator for each squad. And instead of rifle, attach a laser-maser, a dream, of course, but during war, military equipment develops at a furious pace and taking into account the acceleration of scientific and technological development, who knows...
    2. 0
      4 October 2024 02: 46
      Well, look, she has 12 missiles. And they can send 20 or 30 FPVs against her. How will you fight off the rest of the FPVs? With sapper shovels?
      1. +1
        4 October 2024 07: 40
        And what will Typhoon do with Verba?
  14. +1
    4 October 2024 02: 44
    Again, no analogues? And what's innovative about it? They put five people in one car, so what? Unfortunately, it will be easier to hit them with some FPV drone
  15. +1
    4 October 2024 02: 47
    A solution against FPV drones could be a turret with an automatic shotgun with remote control. Lobaev's company is currently making one. I hope our specialists are working hard on this solution.
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    4 October 2024 07: 59
    Quote: Magnetar
    These are they, the real patriots. They themselves have achieved nothing in life, and therefore do not want others to succeed.

    You are wrong! True patriots work. And do what then appears in the troops. But it is difficult. And not always successful. It is much more convenient and easier to criticize without doing anything. But calling such loud idlers patriots, especially real ones, is too much. But it turns out that it is possible to earn general's or even marshal's stars on the resource.
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      4 October 2024 08: 18
      In the US, the AR-15 rifle was equipped with a special combat module that aims it at UAVs, and the module does what a person is not capable of doing: quickly detect, shoot and hit. True, for some reason the rifle with the module was installed on a robot dog; it would be easier to install it on tanks instead of canopies, on fences, on roofs of houses or on trees.
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        4 October 2024 08: 53
        On the contrary. This combat module is equipped with a rifle. Since the carrying capacity of the robotic dog does not exceed 10 kg. The operator controls the robotic dog and shooting, among other things. That is, it is the same drone as the UAV, and other drones, wheeled and tracked. So, unfortunately, it is impossible to expect any technological or tactical breakthroughs from such a module.