The US has never been afraid of this before

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The US has never been afraid of this before

China's first ICBM test in the Pacific in decades is a big deal. In general, an ICBM is a big deal not only in terms of size, but also in terms of content. Only seven countries in the world can afford to have intercontinental ballistic missiles in service, and this "club" is even more elite than an aircraft carrier. Yes, an aircraft carrier is not everyone's cup of tea, but it's one thing to deliver a bunch of planes somewhere, and quite another to completely destroy the world.

China, frankly speaking, was not considered a candidate for the beginning of Armageddon until recently due to certain shortcomings of its missiles. But the latest test has very sharply mixed up the cards on the table of the players in the nuclear Apocalypse.




China last launched an intercontinental ballistic missile into the Pacific Ocean in 1980, and its latest ICBM launch underscores its rapidly evolving nuclear power.

China's Ministry of National Defense announced the launch of an ICBM, but provided only limited details and did not identify the specific type of missile fired. The ministry stressed that the missile was not armed with warheads.

As mentioned above, China launched an ICBM into the Pacific Ocean in 1980. Since then, China's ICBM launches have been aimed at internal test sites on the western edge of the country. That is, there is no demonstration of China's capabilities. weapons there was none, so these events did not attract much attention.

Open sources said the rocket was launched from China's Hainan Island at the northern end of the South China Sea and was headed toward a stretch of the Pacific Ocean just outside France's exclusive economic zone around French Polynesia. The distance between the launch and destination points is about 7145 miles (11 kilometers).

What does this mean? It means that if you look at the map, a missile launched from any point in Eastern China will easily and effortlessly reach not only the western part of the US on the Pacific coast, but will also easily reach the central part.


As they say – draw your own conclusions...

However, that's not all.

The launch from Hainan Island indicates that the missile launched was a mobile ICBM, such as the DF-31 or DF-41, and not a silo. At least, the Americans emphasize that according to their intelligence, there are no ICBM silos on Hainan Island.


China has been massively expanding its silo infrastructure in recent years, but all known launch sites are deep inland, in mountainous terrain. It is also worth noting that China also has silo-launched versions of the DF-31, and that there have long been discussions about the possibility of a DF-41 variant that could also be launched in this manner.

The ICBM test showed a range of 11 km. Applying the same range of the new missile from the Ordos silo, we can see that the entire United States will be within the range of this ICBM if it is deployed in new silos near this glorious city. Although, I am sure, it will fly only from the old ones.

Earlier, the Pentagon released satellite images of work on a new silo in northwest China. Defense Department satellite images included in the Pentagon's latest annual China report show that work, at least on the surface, on a new ICBM silo in northwest China is nearing completion.

Experts and observers noted that the launch of the new Chinese ICBM has real practical training and testing value. This is a great opportunity to simply perform all the actions to launch such a missile to a given range along a typical flight profile. The fact is that when launched at targets at domestic test sites, Chinese ICBMs are launched along very high trajectories, which is explained by the relatively limited available space. China is not Russia, where you can bang in Ashuluk and wait for everything to fly to Kamchatka, where our Kura test site is located.

The most valuable thing here is to study and control the missile's flight trajectory. It is clear that the missile flies to the test site in northwest China along a very steep and high trajectory, but studying the maximum capabilities of a ballistic missile requires sending it along a flat trajectory. And here, only the Pacific Ocean can help.

The launch of the live missile from Hainan also provided Chinese personnel with a valuable opportunity to practice deploying a mobile launcher to a forward firing range and actually using it there. This is a more than useful experience, especially considering the cost.


By conducting it in Hainan and launching from a potentially unfamiliar launch site that the missile complex crew may not be familiar with, it is possible to identify potential pitfalls in the process of launch preparation and flight control of the missile.

Other nuclear powers, including the United States, regularly launch nuclear-capable ballistic missiles into the Pacific Ocean and the Atlantic for training and testing purposes, as is normal practice. And of course, such launches, in addition to demonstrating overall deterrence, also serve to send political signals.

And here, too, perhaps, we have, in the form of China's first intercontinental ballistic missile launch in the Pacific Ocean in decades, clear signals to countries across the region and beyond.

Chinese authorities have officially notified their counterparts in the United States, Australia and New Zealand, which are allies in different military blocs at the same time, about the upcoming launch, the Japanese agency Kyodo News reported.

Unsurprisingly, the U.S. Air Force’s RC-135S “Cobra Ball,” a jet specially configured to collect information on missile launches, was flying over the Western Pacific during the test, according to online flight-tracking data. The over-water launch gave the U.S. and other militaries a rare opportunity to gain new insights into China’s advanced ICBM capabilities. And they likely got some of it.

There is no information on whether the relevant structures in France (near whose territory the training warhead fell), the Philippines and Taiwan were warned (it is clear that they were not warned at all).

In an interesting twist that underscores the political nature of the move, the ICBM launch came just hours after US President Joe Biden, in an address to the United Nations, drew attention to competition and cooperation with China, as well as America's strong ties with South Korea and Japan.

“We also need to uphold our principles as we seek to responsibly manage competition with China so that it does not escalate into conflict,” Biden said. “We are committed to working together to meet urgent challenges for the benefit of our people and people around the world.”

Well, apparently, China was so impressed by the US readiness to cooperate for the benefit of all people in the world that, losing their boots, they rushed to launch ICBMs. The signal of readiness was received and understood absolutely unambiguously. And, it must be said, here the Chinese can and should be applauded: everything was played out simply beautifully.

"We don't want a conflict" - US President Baden.
"- And I am for peace throughout the world" - Chinese ballistic missile.


The launch also follows the US government's call several years ago for greater transparency about the Chinese military's significant expansion of its nuclear and missile arsenals, including the aforementioned silo buildup.

China's nuclear stockpile more than doubled between 2020 and 2023 alone, according to the Pentagon. The PLA now has a total of about 500 warheads, a figure expected to grow to about 1000 by 2030 and 1500 by 2035, according to U.S. estimates.


In August of this year, the New York Times reported that the US nuclear deterrence strategy was, for the first time in stories was primarily centered on China. The Times article cited a classified document that the paper said went on to warn of “possible coordinated nuclear challenges from China, Russia and North Korea.” China’s ties with Russia, including military cooperation, have grown significantly in recent years, especially since 2022, when Russia’s global isolation has deepened as a result of the ongoing war in Ukraine.

American officials are also pushing to bring their Chinese counterparts to the negotiating table on possible new strategic arms control agreements. So far, there has been no real success, and these agreements cannot be bilateral: there are already quite a few countries (ten) in the world that have nuclear weapons, so any agreements with fewer than 10 signatories look ridiculous.

There are geopolitical tensions between China and the United States, as well as many other countries in the Pacific Rim and beyond, over a range of issues, including the status of the island of Taiwan. Beijing’s expansive territorial claims, particularly in the South China Sea, also pose a risk of creating flashpoints that could easily escalate into conflict, as has been seen in recent months around the Philippines.

In fact, the Hainan ICBM launch is thought to reflect a larger shift in Chinese policy. China's Defense Ministry modestly described the Pacific launch as a "routine" part of its "annual training plan," suggesting that this launch is just the beginning of more regular launches.

Particularly as China's nuclear arsenal grows and its deterrence policy evolves along with its arsenal, China will need to increasingly demonstrate the full range of its capabilities, much as leading nuclear powers like the United States have done in the past, regularly launching nuclear-capable ballistic missiles into the open ocean.

Yes, without nuclear charges, but they are conducting them, demonstrating the very possibility of delivering a nuclear warhead to a certain point on the globe. The question arises: why is China worse? We are waiting for new launches...

China's first test of an ICBM in the Pacific since 1980 remains a major event in itself, highlighting the country's expanding nuclear and missile capabilities. And that is something everyone in the West will have to live with.


Yes, the history of the United States of America has had it all: the total horror of the Cuban Missile Crisis, the long-term expectation of a nuclear strike by the Soviet Union, and the psychosis about terrorists who could get hold of nuclear weapons.

Now we can say that the US has never feared such a scenario. And China, which is slowly but surely increasing its nuclear power, which the US has declared its enemy No. 1, may turn out to be a somewhat tougher nut to crack than many on that side would like.

Well, if, as in the aforementioned analytical note, Russia, China and North Korea (and even without them) combine their capabilities, then there is nothing to fear. It is enough to calmly understand that the world will come to an end. And here, as they say, many lovers of shaking weapons and appointing enemies (let's not point a finger at Washington) would do better not to lead to sin.
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  1. -6
    30 September 2024 05: 48
    And here, for many who like to shake weapons and appoint enemies (let's not point fingers at Washington), as they say, it would be better not to lead to sin.
    Russia should have carried out such tests even before the Ukrainian fascists attacked the Kursk region, and even now there is still one week left.
    1. +5
      30 September 2024 06: 06
      We tried, but it was unsuccessful.
      1. -5
        30 September 2024 07: 50
        Yeah...
        The tests, so to speak, clearly did not go well.

        The burnt spot is huge.
        The death of the large missile crew has not yet been confirmed, but in reality there is simply zero information.

        And it is absolutely clear that putting into production and starting to place in silos a rocket that only took off normally once, and the other times there were failures, is criminal negligence.
        More accurately, it is even Treason.
        Depriving the country of its nuclear shield!
    2. +6
      30 September 2024 06: 09
      You may not have noticed, but training launches are held regularly.
    3. 0
      30 September 2024 14: 32
      Russia recently did something...nobody still knows what, with "Sarmat". The results, as they say now, were "ambiguous".... winked
  2. +10
    30 September 2024 06: 08
    But these are just wet dreams. As long as Russia supplies the West with resources, explaining it by some kind of mutual benefit, as long as people with dual citizenship live in the country, as long as there are concerns at the top for personal property, relatives and bank accounts (why is this even possible?), as long as people are praised for abandoning Russian capital to its own devices, which could be useful in the country, as long as Russian gold is valued cheaper than American paper, as long as funds are annually withdrawn from Russia without any justification and taxes are not paid in the required amount, it is useless to talk about any preventive measures...
    They say that Russia should have shown its power to the West long ago... But is there a desire to frighten the West so much that it will finally close off its views on the former calm partnership?
    1. +4
      30 September 2024 13: 53
      ...as long as there are people with dual citizenship living in the country...

      It's not "people with dual citizenship" that are scary, there are plenty of them everywhere, all large and medium-sized businesses are made up of them - as one famous movie character said about them "... your homeland is where your ass is warm..." (c)
      It is scary when the heads of government institutions and state-owned companies in our country have dual citizenship, it is scary when the children and/or relatives of these heads live and/or study in other countries, it is scary when the money of these heads (and/or members of their families) is in bank accounts in other countries, especially in those countries that declare sanctions against our country (simply put, wage a trade war with our country) and, what is even worse, in countries that supply weapons to our enemy... Such heads do not connect their future with the future of our country.
      Quote: ROSS 42
      while they praise people who abandoned Russian capital to its fate, which could have been useful in the country

      And were these really "Russian capitals"? Capital has no homeland! As for these people, they acted within the established rules of that time. And it is unlikely that these people were informed of secret plans to change the picture of the world.
    2. -3
      30 September 2024 18: 03
      Would you rake the capital into a basket?
  3. +1
    30 September 2024 06: 11
    The US has never been afraid of this before
    Let them not forget comrade Kim, God help him, who is also launching something towards America. wink
    1. -5
      30 September 2024 07: 44
      Soap balloons and air kisses?
      Launches in the only direction it can, to the east.
      But so close that to talk about what is being launched towards America is, to put it mildly, premature.
      1. +3
        30 September 2024 07: 46
        Soap balloons and air kisses?
        Ballistic missiles based on submarines, underground installations and railway complexes. These are not air kisses at all
        1. -2
          30 September 2024 18: 04
          Comrade Kim's stone flower doesn't work out with range
  4. -9
    30 September 2024 06: 15
    and this "club" is even more elite than the aircraft carrier club

    Come on, how many countries in the world can support aircraft carriers? And normal aircraft carriers?
    1. -4
      30 September 2024 07: 34
      And who needs them, by and large, and why? Those who need them have made a few, if needed, they will build more.
      1. +2
        30 September 2024 08: 33
        And who needs them, by and large, and why?

        They are needed. At least to strengthen the territories from which you can bombard the enemy with missiles. And you don't start a nuclear war, and at the same time you have the advantage of flight time. The same Japan, Oceania, Australia. Even Taiwan. There is the great circle from the middle of China to Washington. And you can't get it any closer yet. The Chinese wouldn't mind a small country in Central and South America. Or our Kamchatka - alas.
      2. +3
        30 September 2024 10: 28
        Those who needed it made a few, if needed they will build more.

        Several? What do you mean several? 11 pieces is not several.
        And no one else has done anything like this yet.

        Why are they needed? Well, there are probably some plans for them.
        1. -1
          30 September 2024 10: 36
          Several countries made one and calmed down, no one except the States really uses them. What kind of plans if everyone has them idle
          1. +1
            30 September 2024 10: 39
            Several countries did one and calmed down.

            Nobody else except the United States has made truly combat-ready aircraft carriers.
            No one except the States really uses them.

            That's why it's not used much, because no one has mastered a "normal" aircraft carrier.
            What are the plans if everyone has them idle?

            Surely everyone?
      3. 0
        30 September 2024 18: 05
        The cat didn't get any meat, but the cat looks menacing - I wouldn't eat it, it stinks too much
  5. +1
    30 September 2024 06: 24
    Why do we need nuclear weapons testing? We have red lines of dual concern.
  6. +1
    30 September 2024 07: 35
    Nobody doubted that Chinese missiles would one day reach overseas, and there would be as many warheads as needed, so you can be calm about China.
  7. +3
    30 September 2024 07: 36
    China has been launching spaceships into orbit for a long time, its automatic station has reached the Moon, China has its own orbital station (China's space exploration is significantly ahead of ours). This means that China has all the technologies to create ICBMs.

    China has long been in all the “elite clubs” and in a multipolar world it is the second pole, and there are always two poles.
  8. +1
    30 September 2024 07: 40
    The hint is more than clear. The BR launched from the eastern part of China, lacks only the eastern coast. A serious trump card in the game for Taiwan, and the game is getting closer.
  9. +1
    30 September 2024 09: 56
    It seems that this is not the last launch. All carriers, the early warning system, the missile defense system, and the strategic forces control systems will be checked. Everyone is preparing for war.
  10. -1
    30 September 2024 13: 29
    For Russia, there is a favorable window in history - China is drawing a lot onto itself. True, no one has cancelled the "anaconda loop", but there is not enough strength for everyone. We need to strengthen ourselves, especially in terms of influence on our neighbors, so that it does not turn out like with the country of dancers.
  11. +1
    30 September 2024 13: 49
    The test of an empty Chinese ICBM is certainly a powerful event. The US has simply revised its entire policy. And if sarcasm is not taken into account, then a confrontation between China and the US is possible only in our wet dreams. Together we will crush America, heh-heh! But no way, we cannot crush Ukraine, having lost all our ardor and authority. And here we are aiming for a hegemon. Rather, these two countries will divide us.
    1. +1
      30 September 2024 15: 36
      Quote: a.shlidt
      But without sarcasm, confrontation between China and the USA is possible only in our wet dreams.

      It has already begun. If we put aside the empty talk of diplomats and politicians, it turns out that the US has begun to slow down China's economic growth, the banks and money of the PRC are mostly Rothschild money, Taiwan is receiving military support from the US, the US is trying to create a Pacific NATO. A number of PRC companies are under sanctions, for example Huawei. hi
      1. +2
        30 September 2024 16: 18
        I would like to make a couple of corrections. The US is not slowing down China's economic growth, they are only defending themselves from its expansion into their domestic market. Huawei's example is very appropriate here. Taiwan is basically a very sweet piece and it should be protected from everyone. The creation of the so-called "Pacific NATO" is the creation of a market, in this case, an arms market. You don't think that the Philippines and New Zealanders will be able to create their own army helicopter or MBT. There is no point in talking about confrontation yet, live competition and that's it. But if the party has a choice to stand shoulder to shoulder with us or to pinch off something bigger from us, then... China will not go against the US, alas.
        1. 0
          30 September 2024 16: 22
          Quote: a.shlidt
          Unfortunately, China will not go against the US.

          The law of business is death to the competitor wassat China and the US are neck and neck, and China is already slightly ahead. So who is the threat to the US? And how will they fight it? Do you think only with sanctions? hi
          1. +2
            30 September 2024 17: 03
            China and the US are neck and neck

            I wonder what it is? These are all wet dreams again. I don't want to belittle China's significant successes, but the level is not the same. Zikr has big sales, but where is Tesla now? How many satellites has China launched and what level is the US at now? Energy production and consumption again. But that's not the point. The US has the whole world by the balls with its financial institutions. And the larger the economy, the more vulnerable it is to them.
            Most of China's money is Rothschild money.

            And it is true.
            And China is very dependent on exports and the US has the power to reduce them, which would be like a blow to the head with a mace.
            1. 0
              30 September 2024 17: 51
              Quote: a.shlidt
              I don’t want to belittle the significant achievements of the PRC, but the level is not the same.

              The economic successes of the PRC are obvious. The expansion into the economies of Europe, the USA, Africa, ... is impressive. The army is arming itself.
              Quote: a.shlidt
              And China is very dependent on exports.

              The US is heavily dependent on imports from China and is addicted to free consumer goods
              The alliance between Russia and China is of great concern to both business and the US military. This means that their maximum goal is to destroy this emerging alliance, and their minimum goal is to take Russia out of the game by tying it up with a war in Ukraine or Europe, to achieve Russia's neutrality, or to lure it into their trench with perks. Roughly speaking, the US first decided to bleed Russia dry, and then they will take on China seriously. But the naive cowboys forget about their own vulnerability. hi
              1. 0
                1 October 2024 08: 37
                The US is heavily dependent on imports from China.

                You understand that cooperation is beneficial to them. And who is more beneficial for them to sink? And who is less beneficial to be friends with?
                The army is arming itself.

                And I'm not sure that this is good for us, because I remember the conflict for the damansky. And it's too early to say that the army's combat capability has increased. There are no conflicts, the weapons have not undergone serious testing. The officer corps is not known what it is. They also made beautiful pictures about our army. Parades, biathlon, airsoft.
                I wouldn't count on China...
                And even if I'm wrong.
                1. 0
                  1 October 2024 09: 23
                  Quote: a.shlidt
                  You yourself understand that cooperation is beneficial to them.

                  Filling your market with cheap goods is profitable, but strong competitor, Providing other participants in international trade with its cheap goods is not profitable.
                  Quote: a.shlidt
                  I wouldn't count on China...

                  And this is right, you can only rely and hope on yourself.
                  I also remember the conflict on Damansky Island, the Heyvambins staged a provocation there, the armies, so to speak, did not participate in it (border incident), such conflicts were with India and Vietnam. In Korea, Chinese volunteers showed themselves on the good side. hi
                  1. 0
                    1 October 2024 13: 25
                    Filling your market with cheap goods is profitable, but a strong competitor that provides other participants in international trade with its cheap goods is not profitable.

                    That's why there were incidents with Huawei. They were simply limited and that's it. China is still far from being able to technologically squeeze the US. A banal example with the iPhone factory. It is profitable for the American company that they are assembled there and fly around the world. Huawei began to replace the equipment of American companies on towers. As a result, Huawei left the conditional "American" market. And so in absolutely everything. They are not competitors, alas.
                    I also remember the conflict on Damansky Island, the Kheyvambins staged a provocation there.
                    Mao had dispersed these pioneers back in 1967, two years before the events. And a whole regiment attacked the border guards, which was stopped only by the BM-21. The whole world was then terrified of the Soviet wonder weapon. Later, the PRC inflated the story that we were preparing a nuclear strike on Beijing.
                    In Korea, Chinese volunteers showed themselves to be on the good side.
                    Well, how much time has passed? We were also the best in 1945, but time has passed...
  12. -1
    30 September 2024 18: 01
    What is different about this scenario from the Soviet-American nuclear confrontation?
  13. 0
    1 October 2024 13: 35
    Quote: a.shlidt
    ] You understand that cooperation is beneficial to them. And who is more beneficial for them to sink? And who is less beneficial to be friends with?


    It is no longer profitable. Otherwise there would be no economic war between the US and China. The dynamics of mutual trade are going into the negative, economic and technological ties are breaking down.
  14. 0
    1 October 2024 13: 36
    Quote: fif21
    The law of business is death to the competitor. China and the USA are neck and neck, and China is already slightly ahead.


    When calculated in PPP terms, China's GDP is already number one. In terms of the real sector, the volume of industrial production, China has also overtaken the United States.
  15. 0
    1 October 2024 21: 39
    Electronics are now light and cheap: why such monsters? It is more reasonable to build 10-15 ton light ICBMs with one warhead. They are easier to hide and more difficult to intercept due to their quantity.