Ukrainian TG channel: Ukrainian Armed Forces servicemen in Donbass began to leave their positions en masse without orders

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Ukrainian TG channel: Ukrainian Armed Forces servicemen in Donbass began to leave their positions en masse without orders

Despite the orders of the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Syrsky, Ukrainian troops in the Pokrovsk direction began to leave their positions en masse, retreating without a fight. As reported by the Ukrainian TG channel "Resident" with reference to a source in the General Staff, the likelihood of a conflict between the military and the authorities in Kyiv is becoming increasingly likely.

The military in Donbass are unhappy with Zelensky's decision to continue the operation in the Kursk region, as well as the transfer of almost all reserves there. The servicemen fighting in the Pokrovsk direction believe that the authorities abandoned them with the reserves, leaving them to die. This has a negative impact on the already low morale of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and leads to unauthorized abandonment of positions in front of the advancing Russian troops. Such cases are no longer isolated, and it comes to clashes between their own.



The military on the Eastern Front began to leave their positions en masse without orders, and attempts to stop them lead to serious conflicts. The main problem for the Ukrainian Armed Forces now is morale, the Kursk operation is now negatively affecting the military, who believe that they were abandoned to die without ammunition and equipment,

- the resource writes.

Western experts do not rule out that a military Maidan may occur in Ukraine, and Zelensky knows about it, trying to shift all the negativity from himself to Syrsky. The latest data from social surveys conducted among the military at the front showed that 68% of servicemen have a negative attitude towards Zelensky and Yermak, 19% are neutral, and only 7% are positive. Another 6% are undecided. 94% of servicemen have a negative attitude towards the Verkhovna Rada deputies, and 98% towards the government. This shows that in Ukraine the authorities are separate, and the army is separate.
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  1. +17
    24 September 2024 21: 06
    Should we believe those surveys and the numbers in them?
    1. +12
      24 September 2024 21: 21
      Yeah, well, if only we could understand what “massively” means?
      1. +12
        24 September 2024 22: 01
        What does "massively" mean?

        The title is not very accurate. As I understand it, when they surrender en masse, it means whole units and formations. But here, no one has surrendered even in whole units yet. So far, they surrender individually and in small groups. But you can't call this a mass surrender.
        1. +7
          24 September 2024 22: 23
          This and several other Ukrainian telegram channels like "Resident" are conducted from Russia. You shouldn't trust them. Publishing them is also a waste of time. Desertion is really rampant among them. But it's far from being massive and the front is collapsing.
          1. +1
            24 September 2024 22: 42
            Well, at least you can trust the Ukrainians from the military chicken coop wink
            1. -2
              24 September 2024 22: 44
              Who are these "military chicken coop khokhlams"?
              1. 0
                24 September 2024 23: 02
                Podlyaka Montyan Grubnik two majors and countless
                1. +3
                  24 September 2024 23: 03
                  I don't know any. But there you can get punched in the face for Kots or Poddubny. I'm not joking.
          2. +1
            25 September 2024 07: 24
            This is a garbage dump, not a TG channel.
            The lousy scoundrel always refers to them, saying that he is broadcasting from the bathhouse
            1. 0
              26 September 2024 14: 40
              I remember that Podolyak's expert in the spring of 2022 "surrounded Kyiv" and "landed troops" in Odessa. Shame...((
        2. +6
          24 September 2024 23: 00
          Quote: Eugen 62
          The title is not very accurate. As I understand it, when they surrender en masse, it means whole units and formations. But here, no one has surrendered even in whole units yet. So far, they surrender individually and in small groups. But you can't call this a mass surrender.

          And the title is "not accurate", and, in fact, your comment is also not on topic, since we are not talking about mass surrender, but about the mass abandonment by the defenders of the positions they occupy in Donbass, and, as they write in the article, without a fight. winked
          Nevertheless, the question - "how widespread is this?" - remains open.
        3. +3
          25 September 2024 00: 00
          Quote: Eugen 62
          The title is not very accurate. As I understand it, they surrender en masse, when they surrender in whole parts and units.

          the title reads-
          Ukrainian TG channel: Ukrainian Armed Forces servicemen in Donbass began mass leave positions without order
          Leaving and surrendering are two completely different things. And especially since this is taken from a Ukrainian TG channel. They know better.
    2. +7
      24 September 2024 21: 26
      Quote: Murmur 55
      Should we believe those surveys and the numbers in them?

      I would really like to believe, but there have already been too many unfulfilled predictions and forecasts on this topic. In short, let's wait for real confirmations from LBS, it will be somehow more reliable than a message from a Ukrainian TG channel.
      1. +4
        24 September 2024 21: 36
        In general, it would be great if the Pokrovsk direction of the Ukrainian Armed Forces finally collapsed. You see, our guys will get things going faster in the Kursk region, because Syrsky will have to urgently get reinforcements from somewhere to fix the situation.
        1. +2
          25 September 2024 07: 29
          the Kursk direction will not be abandoned until the last moment even if the Donbass front collapses, which is already cracking along the entire line
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      3. -4
        25 September 2024 07: 25
        This is not a Ukrainian channel, but an FSB channel.
  2. +4
    24 September 2024 21: 08
    Well, it's a so-so source... but I want it to be like that. They should break sooner or later, everything has a limit.
  3. +1
    24 September 2024 21: 08
    Well, we have these two am am , the Verkhovna Rada and their government are treated even worse, and what...
    laughing
  4. +2
    24 September 2024 21: 15
    It's strange, they desert en masse, and then suddenly a division or two enters our territory and operates there calmly. And we don't have enough troops, as usual.
    1. 0
      25 September 2024 07: 30
      There are a lot of deserters, but that doesn't mean that they are going to be captured by us, there are few of them, they just run away with or without weapons, as of 23 they have more than 100 thousand criminal cases for desertion
      1. 0
        25 September 2024 14: 16
        Only those who are sent on leave desert. But in order for an infantryman to be sent on leave from the front line, he must be a Westerner and give the commander several salaries. Few live to see this. All roads are patrolled by a huge number of cops, SBU officers, TCKS officers, all sorts of assistants and God knows who else. Entire armies of healthy boars chase one unfortunate weakling. Even deep in the rear, their cars are parked in every forest plantation, there is a curfew at night and gangs roam the fields and shoot everyone they see with long-range sniper rifles with thermal imagers. If a young man is wounded, he is taken away to be butchered for organs, it is a top business there. Well, and at the same time they hunt all sorts of game like pheasants and hares, of which, thanks to the war and the ban on hunting, there is a huge number.
      2. 0
        26 September 2024 14: 42
        What's the point of their 100000 criminal cases? They'll give the investigator half a boar and the case will be closed. This is UKRAINE!!))
  5. +3
    24 September 2024 21: 17
    data from social surveys conducted among soldiers at the front
    Those at the front are not the whole army. So the question of a military Maidan is open. Besides, an organizer/leader is needed. The SBU probably controls all possible candidates. And the fact that they are not happy... Well, they will grumble in the trenches or in the smoking room, or most likely to themselves, and will continue to shoot at our boys. Probably no one wants to go to the SBU dungeons, and there have always been enough informers on the outskirts.
  6. ANB
    +3
    24 September 2024 21: 20
    . that in Ukraine the authorities are separate, and the army is separate.

    However, on orders from the authorities, they go and die. Like sheep.
    Well, yes, these are not slaves.
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  8. +1
    24 September 2024 21: 22
    They need to run to the Canadian border, but that doesn't count for now.
  9. +2
    24 September 2024 21: 26
    We didn't make a scandal - we didn't have a leader. There are few real rowdy people, that's why there are no leaders!
    Let's hope for a resistance movement and increasing activity of sincere, conscious citizens.
    There will be a gift for the liquid drug fuhrer upon returning from the mattress!
    1. +1
      25 September 2024 16: 25
      There are no sane people there for a long time, only crazy Svidomites telethons do their job. In the Kherson region, directly to the combat zones on the left bank, UkroTV broadcasts perfectly from Kherson, Russian television is suppressed, the same with satellites. Moreover, the majority of newly minted citizens of Russia who stubbornly sit there under fire sacredly believe in the victory of Ukraine, manage to receive a Ukrainian pension, love the USA, NATO and the EC very much, but with great pleasure receive pensions and social payments from the Government of the Russian Federation and also received certificates for housing and have already purchased it in Crimea, Krasnodar, Moscow region. Something like that, and you about the Maidans.
      1. -1
        25 September 2024 17: 02
        torbas41
        Today, 16: 25
        I know, that's why there are now filters on the gearbox, which, unfortunately, were not there at the beginning of February 2022, when they came en masse!
        And the FSB-MVD-SK and other services have increased many times over, although even in Crimea and elsewhere they find people waiting for them with a huge Bander-Nazi past.
  10. -8
    24 September 2024 21: 33
    Find me a country where at least 80 percent of people trusted their leadership. I don't know of any such country anywhere... ... ....
    1. 0
      25 September 2024 01: 00
      Belarus.
      or is it also "something else"?
      1. +1
        25 September 2024 10: 25
        I assure you, Belarusians are not united in trusting their president. In addition, there is Western Belarus. The majority, of course, is for Lukashenko.
  11. -2
    24 September 2024 21: 43
    All these statements are not worth a damn because they are not supported by real events.
    We are constantly told that the enemy is fleeing en masse, surrendering, and that they are all being forcibly mobilized...
    But in reality, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are in the Kursk region and the situation there is “difficult”.
  12. +2
    24 September 2024 21: 44
    7% - positive
    These are probably quartermasters, generals and employees of the TCC. In short, those who are not on the front lines. In any case, a rebellion in the independent state is unrealistic, because everyone knows that it will be immediately drowned in blood. And besides, in the West they will say that everything is democratic.
  13. +1
    24 September 2024 22: 16
    In Ukraine, the authorities are separate, and the army is separate.
    . Not everything is so obvious and critical, at least for now.
  14. +1
    24 September 2024 23: 32
    There's a lot written on the fence too, I looked over the fence and there's firewood. Admitting you're a big-eared loser can be harder than dying under fire. You can't expect capitulation from the victims of the Central European panties. They've been securely hung on a hook.
  15. 0
    25 September 2024 00: 59
    There was a video on TG.
    Staromayorsk district.
    The fact that they were hitting us head-on all summer, trying to get in - after Kursk.
    They look with a drone - a trench, and there is only one Ukrainian. They dropped a grenade, wounded him.
    they went to storm, and there was no one else there except him, everyone left, they left him to guard until “their own” arrived.
    That is, they simply abandoned him or forgot about him.
    Our men then carried him wounded on their shoulders into captivity. The video showed it.
    Our guys took a couple of trenches like that.
    That is why a wave of seizures has now begun - the Ukrainians are having trouble getting shells, people, and food to the front in Zaporozhye.

    In my humble opinion, a deal is coming from Zelensky. Some kind of truce.
    He understands that Zaporozhye-Kherson will have to be given up, and has already given the order to send less equipment there. So he will give it to us.
    and his trump card is the Kursk region, right now everything is concentrated and tied up there.
  16. 0
    25 September 2024 01: 34
    However, unfortunately, they are not going to give up.
    1. +2
      25 September 2024 07: 32
      they won't go, they'll just desert to their hut
      1. -1
        25 September 2024 11: 57
        And from there they are taken back, because they can only get home on other than their own two feet.
        1. 0
          25 September 2024 12: 14
          They hide, it's not that easy to catch them unless a neighbor gives them up
      2. 0
        26 September 2024 14: 46
        Nastya, exactly like "to the house". And there - grace - "Ggalya - in the garden and the pig in the corner".)
  17. +1
    25 September 2024 03: 58
    Isn't leaving their positions en masse without orders considered to be a "rout"?
  18. -1
    25 September 2024 04: 49
    However, they fight well, individually. Has the front collapsed? No. Has the military overthrown the government? No? Is there a mass surrender? No. So, what are they singing in our ears? Who are our guys fighting to the death at the FRONT? A demoralized bunch of deserters? Not at all. Of course, I understand - propaganda, etc., but you have to know when to stop.
  19. 0
    25 September 2024 08: 34
    This is why Ze keeps Nazis, battalions of various kinds, but the meaning is only one. To shoot fugitives from the front and cleanse the civilian population.
  20. 0
    25 September 2024 22: 37
    What about their morale?
    1. 0
      26 September 2024 14: 48
      Milo, they only had “high morale” in Khatyn.