The Central Asia-Germany Summit: How Scholz Brought Specifics to the Region and What to Do About It

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The Central Asia-Germany Summit: How Scholz Brought Specifics to the Region and What to Do About It

On September 11-12, Turkmenistan and Afghanistan launched a number of major projects, many of which had been in the calculation and discussion stages for years. The main ones were the TAPI gas route and the development of the energy bridge within the TAP-500.

On September 15–17, the German delegation led by O. Scholz visited Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan, and O. Scholz himself took part in the Central Asia – Germany summit.



The proximity of dates of international events is not always a consequence of the interconnectedness of certain events, but in this case there are indeed connections. We will try to assess their nature and influence, as well as the degree of significance for Russia through the agenda of negotiations and the international context.

On the C5+ format and its position in the international context


There have already been many articles published on VO about the Central Asian format "C5+" and the negotiations that are being held within its framework. In this case, we will briefly summarize that the idea, initially proposed by Turkmenistan, about a consultative mechanism that includes all five countries of the region at once, yields very specific practical results.

This format has already been recognized, and events are held regularly. Both individual countries (Russia, China, the USA, Germany) and collective platforms like the GCC (Gulf Cooperation Council) and the European Union act as “+1”. South Korea and Japan are next in line.

"C5+" for obvious reasons increases the weight of the negotiations, and for investors it gives a certain confidence that, having entered the project of one of the "C5+" countries, the funds will be used within the region as a whole, and they will work in a relatively calm environment. Significant constitutional reforms in Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan also had an investment focus in many ways. And O. Scholz noted this separately during the visit.

It should be emphasized that Astana and Tashkent periodically make attempts to transform the “C5+” into a full-fledged international institution, but Turkmenistan so far insists on a consultative form of relations, adhering to its political line of “active non-alignment.”

Nevertheless, the C5+ has allowed the countries of the region to move themselves to a different level of interaction with China and the EU – now major investors and foreign policy players are forced to fight for the region. But just a few years ago, the Europeans were talking about democracy “from the top down”, and the representatives of Beijing were trying to talk by distributing “valuable instructions”.

Since 2022, competition has gradually developed between the EU and China for the region, with each player now trying to find some limits to their economic borders in Eurasia. Just as the Chinese “macroeconomic cluster” cannot be formed without Central Asia, the EU has a very specific understanding of the need for access to both energy resources and the production base of Central Asia.

They have yet to fully form this base, but since Russia and China have dragged their feet on this issue, the EU still has a window of opportunity to do so. However, South Korea and Japan are hot on the heels of the Europeans, for the same reasons, and they do not believe that only the EU can use this window.

On the function of "C5+" in limiting the influence of a number of global raw materials players


A logical question arises: hasn’t Western business been firmly based on the resource base of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and partly Uzbekistan for decades?

In Kazakhstan, part of this business has been transferred to a separate jurisdiction of “British law”.

A kind of collision here is that raw materials TNCs, as well as projects associated with the odious Rothschild family, are not equal in terms of their interests to the appetites of the EU. It is clear that for us, as a whole, they are all greedy globalists and liberal totalitarians, but the vector of these interests is still different.

The Rothschild family name, regardless of which branch of their family business operates in a particular region, carries the burden of conspiracy. But by and large, there is no conspiracy in their regional politics.

Economic systems are indeed separating and moving away from each other. Almost everyone sees this process, but they call it differently: "currency zones" (absurd in essence, but also a kind of characteristic of the process in sensations), "pan-regions", the author, for example, is closer to the term "value cluster".

Following the quite reasonable principle of "if you can't win, lead", transnationals are no longer fighting for past globalization projects, but are creating their own model, which will allow them to become a kind of logistical link between these macro-regions in the future. The author has an image for this - "New East India Company", but this is only one of the options.

And the most reasonable thing in this logistic model is control of raw materials, and also gold mining. So the greedy globalists have their own logic here, and the methods are old and time-tested. The information world is very good, but control of gold and black viscous (or liquid) substance is better. In Central Asia, including Mongolia, all this is very clearly visible.

If they cannot free themselves from this raw material influence, then at least the C5 countries are trying to reduce this dependence through competition and building balances between several large interest groups at once.

It's not just "China-EU", there's also "Turkey-EU", financial flows. In the latter case, if Brussels or China continue to promise golden investment mountains, like the Global Gate project, international funds are in no hurry to fork out, and raw materials producers do not want to get off the high rent and reinvest it, then sovereign Arabian funds come to the rescue.

Everyone is in competition and interconnection at the same time, and C5 essentially supports this dynamic in relation to its region. And not without some success.

On the role of Scholz and Germany's position in the region


Understanding this not-so-simple system of connections gives a counter-understanding of the agenda with which O. Scholz came to Central Asia. In our country, he is often called by not-so-flattering epithets, like "liver sausage" (although the author is not Russian), but if you break away from these cliches, then many things fall into place. Whether we like it or not is another question.

If we summarize and generalize the program of visits and the results of the Central Asia – Germany summit, we will discuss three main aspects of interaction.

The first is the launch of construction of German enterprises of the "medium business+" level in Uzbekistan and partly in Kazakhstan. We are talking about several thousand production facilities - from household chemicals to electronics, and these thousands will have to be added to those that already exist. Germany is allocating an additional $9 billion, but it should be understood that the total volume of direct EU investment in the region is already more than $100 billion. This is the first indicator, China is in second place, Russia is in third.

For objective reasons, Uzbekistan is number one here, as it has the best ratio of labor force to its cost. The energy deficit can potentially be covered by Russian supplies.

At the same time, Uzbekistan still adheres to the policy of low rates for the national currency. All this is happening against the backdrop of the opposite policy of its neighbors, but Tashkent expects that in the end it will work to attract investors to industry. The visit and the program of O. Scholz provide grounds for this.

The second aspect is the launch of a program for the mass recruitment of labor from Uzbekistan to Germany, simultaneously with training programs in German institutes and German production facilities.

The third aspect, more related to Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan, is the increase in exports of Kazakh oil, including via the Druzhba pipeline, and the discussion of Germany's strategy as one of the main consumers of gas in the EU, and Turkmenistan's strategy. Ashgabat has shown that TAPI is being launched, the potential of TAPI is 33 billion cubic meters, the fourth line to China is 15 billion cubic meters, how much will ultimately pass through Iran and Turkey to the EU and what timeframes can we talk about? And what is Germany ready to offer, taking into account the Chinese project and TAPI, is a counter question.

By the way, almost simultaneously with the launch of TAPI, Moscow signed an agreement with Beijing on the early withdrawal of gas supplies to the maximum level.

O. Scholz has a peculiar reputation with us, but in Central Asia he acted more on the side of German business, although he is constantly reproached for the opposite.

For what market, besides Central Asia itself, will the products of the new (and old too) German enterprises in Uzbekistan be intended? An interesting question, although with a practically obvious answer – for the Russian market.

And that is why at the Central Asia-EU summits, topics related to the region's rupture along the EAEU line usually fade away. The banking sanctions there are not so much European as American, although they do not bring anything positive to the common market.

Our media sometimes say that the Central Asian countries are bending under sanctions, and sometimes, on the contrary, they even praise them for some resistance, but in fact there are counter processes going on here, it’s just that the Germans in this case spoke out more clearly and specifically.

When O. Scholz speaks out categorically against Western long-range strikes weapons, you always have to look at the general agenda. O. Scholz is going through a tense election, but both the program for the Central Asian countries and the related issues a priori exclude such a formulation of tasks, no matter how Russophobic the European political class may be.

What new volumes of oil or the creation of production facilities, including for the Russian market, can we talk about if Germany officially advocates such strikes against Russia?

This rhetoric is left to other Western countries.

O. Scholz is also forced to act as a kind of leader from industrial Europe in Central Asia by the political realities of the current EU.

Who will act as negotiator with these countries from the European Union – U. von der Leyen and her protégé in the post of foreign policy commissioner, the representative of Estonia, K. Kallas?

This is not serious, and given China’s pressure in the region, it is simply dangerous.

U. von der Leyen will be engaged in "consolidation" within the EU and the fight against her personal opposition and various frondes, and K. Kallas will focus on Ukraine and narratives of Russophobia. She was appointed precisely for this. But these and similar characters cannot and will not be able to solve any practical problems in Central Asia. German business and O. Scholz will be working here.

In the materials dedicated to this summit, one can often come across the expression "the transfer of German production to Central Asia", supposedly, everything is so expensive and everything is so bad in Germany that enterprises are fleeing from there as in the children's poem "Fedorino grief". They say, "both cups and glasses are gone, only cockroaches remain".

One must approach assessments of the flight of European production with a certain caution, so as not to fall into the old expression "into charm". When, for example, the Volkswagen Group built factories in Russia, for some reason no one said that German manufacturers were actually fleeing to us.

But the EU does have problems: economic growth of 0,4–0,5% every year is a reality, in which 0,5% is actually a statistical error.

The market is not growing, and it is not very easy to predict how long it will be artificially slowed down (and this is precisely the "handbrake"). Small and medium businesses in the EU will not show growth, or rather even negative dynamics, but large industrial groups operate everywhere and can receive income from different economic geographies.

On Turkey's Potential Difficulties


It is impossible to ignore the fact that the Central Asia-Germany summit is aimed at Turkey from one side. Ankara is preparing for its event through the Organization of Turkic States.

Recently, a single Latin alphabet was finally agreed upon, Turkish business is gradually present everywhere in the region, but the question is, what can Türkiye put forward against Germany’s plans?

It should not be discounted that Turkey has for a long time formally positioned itself as the leader of the Turkic world, but in fact Turkey has become a kind of springboard to the West for Central Asia, a kind of crossroads, a bridge, and even, figuratively speaking, a translator.

Such a bridge to the West was very attractive to the educated part of the population of Central Asia, but what will Ankara do if Germany works without intermediaries and directly, integrating the educated workforce and preparing it for its production?

It is clear that this is not the fastest process, and there are no guarantees of the result yet, but Turkey will have to respond with something, so O. Scholz, no matter what we call him, has created a very significant problem for R. Erdogan.

For Russia


From Russia's point of view, this summit cannot be called negative. By and large, everything here depends on the formal concept that is being promoted and on the actual state of affairs.

Our formal concept for now is the EAEU as a common economic and political space. From this point of view, the “C5+” format itself works against it, no matter whether it will be “C5 + EU”, “C5 + China”, “C5 + Germany”, Turkey, etc.

We and Central Asia still do not have a common value, but, on the other hand, the current EAEU is a kind of "expanded Eurasian Customs Union." In this regard, we want, for example, to sell more of "our everything" to Central Asia - natural gas, well, new enterprises will need it - not ours, then German ones.

Some German manufacturers have left Russia and will supply to Russia from Central Asia, saving on logistics and bypassing obstacles.

Germany and Kazakhstan want to use the Druzhba highway and are ready to pay for it – let them use it and pay. Brussels is fighting us and is ready for almost anything, but we are not actually fighting with the EU, and, strangely enough, we still trade directly or indirectly. And if that is the case, then let the highway work and let them pay for it.

Undoubtedly, "C5+" is potentially the format into which the EAEU will sooner or later transform, but for now the single transit space suits everyone. No one is ready to give it up, and we objectively do not have the strength or special (what can I say) desire to transfer it into a common value space.

So let China and Germany, as the frontman from the European Union, fight for Central Asia for now, and then we’ll see.
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  1. +2
    24 September 2024 05: 31
    So let China and Germany fight for Central Asia for now
    "Why do we need a blacksmith? No, we don't need a blacksmith. What am I, a horse or something?" (c)
    1. 0
      24 September 2024 07: 19
      A blacksmith is needed, new enterprises will not work without energy from a blacksmith. But what strategic interests does the blacksmith himself pursue there, "Not only can everyone say this, but only a few can"
      1. +2
        24 September 2024 10: 16
        Well, what can I say... Since the "blacksmith" hasn't been dealing with his closest neighbors for decades, puffed out his cheeks, sawed off the money and ended up with a war... No, the article is fair and correct. The Central Asians will do what is beneficial to them without looking back at Russia. And Scholz? In Central Asia, he's doing everything right. For the Germans
        1. +3
          24 September 2024 10: 21
          Yes, from the point of view of a German and German interests, it is difficult to blame him for anything. Rather, he is even rehabilitating himself inside Germany. He needs to gain points lost over the past period. We should decide what we want ourselves. In fact, Russia has invested a lot in the region over 10-12 years. Third place in investments, not counting the money flows from migration - only direct investments. It is logical to ask, where is the Russian share here, how much to weigh in grams and count in rubles and not only.
          1. 0
            25 September 2024 12: 27
            Quote: nikolaevskiy78
            Third place in terms of investment, not counting the money flows from migration - only direct investment.

            Maybe we should dump at least some of those immensely "valuable specialists" who have filled our cities in Germany? Well, since they wanted to get Central Asian migrants for themselves? Then we won't ruin relations with the Central Asian countries, and we won't lose our "share", and we'll praise the foam of Central Asia to Europe.
            The Kremlin must finally figure out what it wants: to make Russia one of the centers of Power, or, as before, to go with the flow and do everything that the Rothschilds, through Abramovich and Gref, convey.
            And with thousands of German "medium-sized firms and businesses" in the Central Asian region, the influence and even the dictate of the European Union will come. Although there is already more than enough dictate of England, including through their intermediary Turkey. And this entire dictate has a clearly anti-Russian and Russophobic orientation - history textbooks are written for them - about "evil Russian colonizers", the flow of Central Asian criminals and Near/Middle Eastern Wahhabis (Muslim brothers) to the Russian Federation is also directed and controlled by them. First, through "international organizations" Russia was ordered to accept "labor migrants from Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan", through Afghanistan they organized the passage and receipt of Tajik passports by Wahhabis, in the Russian Federation itself they placed lobbyists for unlimited migration of "valuable specialists" in key positions (that is why the guarantor is so happy that the number of Muslims in Moscow and Russia is growing at an accelerated rate). Why so happy? Because they ordered to rejoice. Who? ... Let's put it mildly - the City of London, through Gref and Abramovich.
            And while there is such “unbridled joy” in the towers for fulfilling the will of the City, our SVO will also show “miracles” of paradoxical military-political “wisdom”, and ethno-religious gangs will terrorize cities and villages, and the loyalty of the population will be erased by the sandpaper of reality.
            The SVO has already shown that migrants will never fight for Russia. And work in complex and responsible industries, too. But to plunge all of Russia into chaos and terror on command from curators from the City (through all their built-up intermediaries) - like pioneers - "always ready!" And as long as the Kremlin is satisfied with this, Russia has no future. And with the strengthening of the influence of Germany and the EU in Central Asia, all these negative phenomena for the Russian Federation will only worsen.
            And "What is to be done?" was shown to us by the example of the brilliant I.V. Stalin almost 100 years ago - "Industrialization, self-reliance and the construction of a Solidary Society within the framework of a Single State". And it is not even necessary to call this Socialism.
  2. +2
    24 September 2024 07: 24
    Recently, a unified Latin alphabet was finally agreed upon

    Not quite. There is the Oghuz language group, there is the Kipchak language group, and there are also Siberian and Turkic languages. And they all have different phonetics...
    1. +2
      24 September 2024 07: 35
      They actually agreed on the alphabet, even you and I had a joking discussion about the Mongols under that material. They did approve it, but will it be work, taking into account the factors you mentioned, well, that's a separate question (I modestly believe that it won't)
  3. 0
    24 September 2024 07: 25
    but what will Ankara do if Germany works without intermediaries and directly...
    ...that is why O. Scholz... created a rather significant problem for R. Erdogan.

    In my opinion, the author is exaggerating. German industrial power, of course, cannot be compared with Turkey's, but the Turks' reaction speed is simply phenomenal. "Sultan" manages to work on several fronts at once (Africa, the Mediterranean, the Caucasus, Central Asia, Russia, China) and practically everywhere the results of the work are rather positive... And Germany is only losing ground, albeit slowly, but unstoppably...
    1. 0
      24 September 2024 07: 50
      Why should we make a big deal out of it if the EU has about 105 billion in investments, China has about 60 billion, and we have about 45 billion. Scholz is certainly a "sausage" and all that, but unlike his EU colleagues, he went there with substantive matters. By the way, the "German summit" is not the first (second), this should probably have been included in the material or a link given https://topwar.ru/227042-sammit-centralnaja-azija-frg-ssha-podtalkivajut-es-k-investicijam-v-strany-gruppy-pjati.html. I wrote about this last October, I should have updated it.
    2. 0
      24 September 2024 11: 38
      The author, as always, shows the potential of trends.
      It is clear that it can be this way, or it can be different.
      The Turks are really great, but intellectual potential (both human and patent) will remain an advantage of the Germans for a long time, despite the damage that the Americans are inflicting on them through the EU leadership.
  4. +2
    24 September 2024 08: 24
    So let China and Germany fight for Central Asia for now
    Let's say that if you sit by the river bank for a long time, suddenly two corpses will wash up on the shore... laughing
    1. -2
      24 September 2024 10: 01
      Well, while you're sitting there, they can sneak up from behind, hit you on the head and you'll be floating yourself. request
    2. -1
      24 September 2024 10: 19
      Rather, he will die of old age, waiting on the shore. And doing nothing to make these two corpses float by.
    3. +2
      24 September 2024 13: 16
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      If you sit by the river bank for a long time, suddenly

      it turns out that the river and the bank were privatized, and you already owe rent... wassat
  5. +1
    24 September 2024 09: 37
    ANY "strong" medium, and especially large industrial production, with all its social, financial-economic and subject-state "pluses", has one, physically inherent to it, drawback, this is the capacity of the market for the sale of its flow, conveyor products. First of all, on the domestic market, as a rule, very quickly saturated. And, the second drawback is the presence of a reliable resource and energy base, that is, sources of raw materials, and a functioning energy system. Trying to overcome this physically inherent drawback of industrial production, Western powers, which include "historical Germany", went so far as to start the most brutal world wars. So where to sell goods and where to get resources and energy? The answer, as always, is one, this is the unevenness of the world scientific, technological, industrial and social development of countries and peoples, which is beneficial to the industrial, financial-usurious and commercial-speculative capital of the metropolises. And therefore, will the West build production facilities in Central Asia? It will. Will it train "technical" specialists to operate them? It will. But the entire infrastructure of provision and maintenance, centers of innovation policy, scientific, technological, design, and engineering schools will remain in the metropolis. That is, the specialists making "political" decisions, the entire centuries-old intellect of the "fatherland" will, as always, dominate the "Papuans". Only naive "Soviet" Russians, at their own expense, tried to raise and develop the "national" republics to their educational, qualification, and social level. How this entire communist "utopia" ended is well known (... And now, under the conditions of "wolf" neocolonial imperialism, the image of the future for these "national" republics is only one: "- The salvation of the Papuans is the work of the Papuans themselves!"

    P.S. Do not do good to others - you will not receive evil for yourself.
  6. +1
    24 September 2024 09: 51
    Once again, another region of the world is being offered to be left to someone, but not Russia. And then there will be ahs, oohs and other sighs about "traitors".
    1. 0
      24 September 2024 10: 37
      Quote: Yuras_Belarus
      Once again, another region of the world is being offered to be left to someone, but not Russia. And then there will be ahs, oohs and other sighs about "traitors".


      A multipolar world is when everyone is the same and regions do not belong to anyone.
      1. +1
        24 September 2024 12: 16
        Nobody and no one? Then why are you holding on to Ukraine? And why the poles? People always strive for the poles.
        1. -2
          24 September 2024 12: 39
          Quote: Yuras_Belarus
          And why the poles?

          Well, for example, I don’t like the uncontested pole in the form of the US + EU, I want there to be China for competition of patronages)
          Russia doesn't have to strain itself to create a whole separate pole from itself ;)
          this is how Central Asia makes itself a place for which the poles compete...
          it's fine )
        2. +2
          24 September 2024 12: 47
          Quote: Yuras_Belarus
          Nobody and no one? Then why are you holding on to Ukraine? And why the poles? People always strive for the poles.


          Ask those who started this mess about Ukraine, I wouldn’t hold on, I have enough of my own problems.

          The very idea of ​​a multipolar world is also very far from logic. But this is the official idea.
  7. +1
    24 September 2024 10: 39
    Well, it can be stated that business did not sit idly by - having lost labor and sales markets in Russia, the Germans decided to make up for it in Central Asia.
    Labor is definitely cheaper there than in Russia - after all, it is from Central Asia that people go to Russia to earn money, and not the other way around, and there are even more unemployed workers than the Germans can use, so you just have to keep up with creating enterprises.
    At the time of the start of the SVO, foreign businesses had about 2 million directly created jobs in Russia. And a few more indirectly employed.
    This is for a rough understanding of the potential of foreign business in the Central Asian region.
    In general, it is profitable for the Germans
    It is profitable for Central Asians
    Well, as for us... we, as always, have our own path.
    1. 0
      25 September 2024 09: 34
      Well, yes. Let them build factories, the Uzbek will work for them there. laughing
  8. +1
    24 September 2024 11: 34
    There is another side of the issue that was missed at the time by the builders of communism.
    an organization of about the size of C5 in those places becomes more or less acceptably manageable, slightly leveling out country risks (which are great there not only because of the bogeymen, but also because the general logic of thinking of the locals is... interesting), using the most adequate figures
    for the elementary pumping out of resources from the point of view of large corporations - all sorts of "C5" are simply harmful
    but for the implementation of any slightly more complex and synergetic schemes - it is necessary
    economic zones are not very distant
    This is a question of false generalizations, it seems to me
    twenty years ago, all descriptive constructions seemed to cover large spaces, but here's the interesting thing - they were not equal in size to the real management structures
    described a "region", but in reality it was "ten principalities"
    the same mistake of people who want to simplify, which makes them now call very heterogeneous groups "the collective West"
    but I got distracted
    in general it led to the fact that with "C5" the Russian Federation has a chance to sometimes be a normal "plus" and finally sell and implement something
    I don’t know to what extent those who have something to sell realize this...
    1. 0
      24 September 2024 18: 00
      Thank you for the informative comments, both in this thread and in the previous one, about Afghanistan and Turkmenistan. Your skepticism is understandable, but let's just try to look at the map of trade flow intersections instead of using "political narratives". They can be used to indirectly understand how value is formed in different economies. This argument will not be sufficient, but it must be considered as necessary. And we will see how Japan's trade turnover is almost 50% tied to Southeast Asia, and those countries again to Southeast Asia (to each other) and China. The EU, with its internal-external trade turnover above 60%, is an unprecedented economic fusion. This is how the contours of these clusters can be outlined. Politics often contradicts these contours, of course. But value takes its toll, over time.
      1. +1
        24 September 2024 18: 13
        What are you saying? Your analytics are like a breath of fresh air to me!)
        So - thank you!
        (moreover, "cost cluster" is now an important piece of my vocabulary)
        and on the subject - we don't contradict each other at all)
        I agree with the outline of the cluster, and with the fact that C5 is the actual birth of the politically resulting narrative of this cluster, too
        I just slightly focused on the common place that its appearance can reduce some parts of the cost price within the cluster - firstly, potentially prevent local epic antics - secondly. Precisely due to the correct size and supranationality of the management structure) so I applaud the idea)
  9. 0
    24 September 2024 13: 00
    Europe is full of women in power, with whom the East will not have anything to do. Der Leyen, Callas, Baerbock - all this riffraff rules at home, but, for example, in Asia they are nobody. Even despite their loud business cards. So the EU has created itself in this regard, and glorious. As for Central Asia, the local elites have long been playing the "multi-vector" card, and there are 4 main players here: mattress makers, us, China and Turkey. Europe is lagging behind.
  10. 0
    24 September 2024 14: 05
    For what market, besides Central Asia itself, will the products of the new (and old too) German enterprises in Uzbekistan be intended? An interesting question, although with a practically obvious answer – for the Russian market.

    Why not consider the option of targeting these enterprises at the south - Afghanistan, Pakistan, for example? It seems that everything is starting to settle down there, after the withdrawal of the "democratic" troops.
  11. 0
    25 September 2024 03: 42
    ...In fact, the Germans are acting and using quite historically proven methods to penetrate the socio-economic sphere of a country or region of interest to them... Including for the purpose of "soft" or indirect colonization of this country...

    ...For example, Russia during the time of Bironovshchina is, in many ways, the result of such German policy...
    (And yet, despite many negative aspects, it is a completely acceptable and positive result for Russia..., or rather, for the young Russian Empire!..

    ...In particular, our Great Mikhail Lomonosov (Despite his well-known and serious enmity and his struggle with "German dominance"!) - is in many ways a product of those relations between Russia and the small German principalities! At least he received his education there..., from them, the Germans... And they fulfilled their side of the obligations, even when the Russian state did not pay for the education of its young nobles for years (according to the agreement)...

    "...Lomonosov studied abroad for five years: about three years at the University of Marburg, under the guidance of the famous Christian Wolff, and about a year in Freiberg, with Johann Friedrich Henckel; he spent about a year moving, and was in Holland..."

    "...The overwhelming majority of foreign scientists conscientiously served the development of domestic scientists. It was the German academicians who elected M. V. Lomonosov as a professor of chemistry in 1742, which at that time corresponded to the title of academician. Lomonosov's teachers and mentors were the outstanding physicist and philosopher H. Wolf, the chemist and metallurgist Henkel..."

    And the role of Biron, Minikh (many decades before Suvorov and Potemkin!) - who managed to deal an almost fatal blow to the Terrible and Inveterate Enemy of Muscovite Rus' - the Crimean Khanate...), their contribution to the development of Russia, in general, is quite positive, rather than negative...

    "...The Germans, being in the state service in Russia, significantly influenced the formation of Russian military traditions. They were valued above all as bearers of the military experience of Western Europe. Their character traits allowed them to introduce new features into the Russian service class: universalism, loyalty not only to the sovereign, but also to the state as such..."

    In later Historical Times - the Roads of the Russian Empire and Germany (represented by Prussia and other German lands) - diverged...
    And something tells me - UNFORTUNATELY!..)

    In any case, if the Germans succeed in gaining a political and economic foothold in Central Asia... -

    (IN THE MIDDLE! Fuck!, and not in the "central", as the ineradicable (unfortunately) Russian "six-men" of the Anglo-Saxon world and other brainless lovers of various: "wow", "how!", "locations", "contents", "hubs", mudov, etc., etc., etc. like to slavishly express themselves: "wow", "how!" That is - all this... - corrupt "Russian" scum.)

    ...the Russian Federation - in the distant historical perspective - may well, and soft in other words, to significantly lose their positions and influence in these former republics of the Union...
    And, who knows, it may get very strong (in all respects, politically, economically, militarily) “state” neighbors...

    In any case, the leadership of the Central Asian republics, developing relations with Germany (taking advantage of the current, as a result of the well-known events!) - quite difficult times for it!), including - and in opposition to the Anglo-Saxon world and China - is acting very wisely!..

    I am afraid that our "native" Lavrovism will not be able to oppose anything serious and modern to the policy of Germany (AND NOT ONLY GERMANY... OF COURSE!..) in this, frankly speaking, possible Asian "Klondike" for it!..
    Therefore: it is quite possible that the influence and significance of the Russian Federation in this historically primordial and vulnerable “underbelly” of its will continue to steadily “shrink” and, possibly, to a very dangerous limit!..
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    28 September 2024 15: 08
    What is the most important thing for the West in Central Asia? That's right, Kazakhstan. What is the most important thing in Kazakhstan? That's right, uranium deposits and geographic positions for deploying missile defense forces opposite the Kurgan and Chelyabinsk regions. That's the most important thing, everything else is applied blah, blah, blah, for which certain money is allocated for camouflage.