For the first time in history, the volume of settlements in national currencies between BRICS countries exceeded the volume of transactions in US dollars

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For the first time in history, the volume of settlements in national currencies between BRICS countries exceeded the volume of transactions in US dollars

At the BRICS Future Cities Forum, an assessment was made of the development of a system of mutual settlements in national currencies. As Deputy Chairman of the BRICS Chamber of Commerce and Industry Samip Shastri stated, for the first time in stories the volume of use of national currencies in settlements between the countries of the said association exceeded the volume of settlements in US dollars. At the same time, expert estimates indicate that a significant increase in the volume of settlements in national currencies began in 2022.

At the moment, BRICS, in addition to Russia, Brazil, India, China and South Africa, includes countries such as the UAE, Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Ethiopia. A number of other countries around the world have expressed a desire to join BRICS. Among others, these are Venezuela, Turkey, Thailand, Malaysia and Azerbaijan.



By now, the total GDP of the BRICS countries already exceeds the total GDP of the so-called "Big Seven". As of August of this year, the volume of BRICS GDP from the global indicator was 35,4%, while the GDP of the G7 was 29,3%. And the gap is literally widening month by month.

The growth of mutual settlements in national currencies between the BRICS countries is a serious blow to the hegemony of the American dollar in the global economy. The reduction in the dollar mass in transactions on the world market against the backdrop of the unrestrained growth of the debt of the United States of America leads to the fact that it has become much more difficult for the American state to service this debt than it was some 8-10 years ago. The US debt is approaching 35,4 trillion dollars, and the budget deficit of this country has exceeded 2 trillion dollars. That is, the US budget deficit alone exceeds the GDP of such countries as Egypt, the UAE, South Africa and Malaysia combined.

The more the volume of settlements in national currencies (without the dollar as an intermediary) grows among the countries of the world, including the same BRICS countries, the more openly the US will try to maintain dollar dominance by using force, including not only sanctions pressure, but also a military component. The US understands perfectly well that the further existence of the country in its current form is conditioned by the activity of the dollar in the world economy - in fact, by the imposition of dollar transactions in the world.
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  1. -6
    20 September 2024 07: 56
    Yes, I wish I could live to see those happy times when the US collapses and stops consuming goods from the entire world, especially China. That would probably send the Chinese economy soaring and everything around it along with it.
    1. +2
      20 September 2024 08: 16
      Quote: Smoked
      This will probably send the Chinese economy into the sky and everything around it along with it.

      How will it take off into the skies if it loses its largest sales market? In order to take off, it first needs to raise its domestic consumption level to the American/European level...
      1. -5
        20 September 2024 08: 20
        It doesn't matter. You turn on your brain, but you just need to believe in a happy future with the collapsed USA, like everyone else.
        1. +4
          20 September 2024 08: 23
          Quote: Smoked
          but you just need to believe like everyone else

          I'm an atheist. wassat
          1. -4
            20 September 2024 08: 31
            Atheists are also believers.
            By the way, we should come up with a word to describe a disillusioned atheist, for example one who has lost faith in the decay of capitalism.
            1. +4
              20 September 2024 08: 34
              Quote from Aken
              By the way, we should come up with a word to describe a disillusioned atheist, for example one who has lost faith in the decay of capitalism.

              And what does atheism have to do with capitalism and its decay/prosperity?
              1. -5
                20 September 2024 08: 36
                Communists = atheists. Or at least, they should be. Many, having rejected communism, rejected atheism at the same time.
                1. -2
                  20 September 2024 08: 43
                  Quote from Aken
                  Communists = atheists.

                  laughing Faith in Communism is also a religion based on faith. With its 10 commandments of the builder of communism, and its incorruptible relics in the mausoleum. wassat
                  1. -3
                    20 September 2024 08: 46
                    Despite the obvious borrowing of attributes and rituals, communism is closer to Confucianism.
                  2. 0
                    20 September 2024 08: 59
                    Quote: fif21
                    Faith in Communism is also a religion based on faith. With its 10 commandments of the builder of communism, and its incorruptible relics in the mausoleum.

                    Everything that happened after the counter-revolutionary coup of 1953, when opportunists came to power in the Party, has nothing to do with Marxism! Including the so-called "The Moral Code of the Builder of Communism"All these actions were carried out with the ultimate goal of dismantling the Soviet socialist system, which was achieved in 1991!
                    As for Lenin's body, it is located 3 meters below ground level, that is, formally buried. And this is no different from traditional crypts. And his body was not chopped into pieces and transported to different cities and villages for various obscurantists to kiss. So the analogy is inappropriate.
                    1. +1
                      20 September 2024 09: 17
                      Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                      Everything that happened after the counter-revolutionary coup of 1953, when opportunists came to power in the Party, has nothing to do with Marxism!

                      I have a different opinion. The Great October Socialist Revolution ended with Stalin coming to power. The dictator (master) turned the USSR into a country of state capitalism, and single-handedly determined its further development. Having destroyed the opposition, he began to create an empire in the interests of the state, and not the people living in it.
                      Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                      As for Lenin’s body, it is located 3 meters below ground level, that is, formally buried.

                      Formally, yes. The priests, shepherds... did not have the opportunity to embalm their saints, so their incorruptible remains were distributed left and right. This is a marketing ploy. Any religion is, first of all, a business project and management of people, through artificially created values. hi
                      1. +2
                        20 September 2024 09: 25
                        Quote: fif21
                        Having destroyed the opposition, he began to create an empire in the interests of the state, and not the people living in it.

                        People, on such a massive scale, do not display heroism, even to the point of dying for the State, if this State was not built in THEIR interests, as was the case during the Great Patriotic War!
                        I hope you are not a supporter of the liberal position about barrier detachments and the People who won in spite?
                        P.S. When prices for consumer goods are periodically reduced, in whose interests is this? The people? The state?
                        P.S. By the way, Lenin ended with the NEP! And that's not even state capitalism...
                  3. 0
                    20 September 2024 10: 08
                    Christianity and communism are ideologies that are almost indistinguishable. At the core is the construction and management of society based on the spiritual (moral) qualities of man. Capitalism is not an ideology at all. It is a way to manage people with the help of money, where material values ​​are primary as a goal for man.
                2. +3
                  20 September 2024 08: 47
                  Quote from Aken
                  Communists = atheists.

                  But atheists ≠ communists!
                  1. -3
                    20 September 2024 08: 50
                    Atheists come in different types: black, white, red.
                    Non-communist atheists are spontaneous. Their denial of gods is more like a teenage rebellion.
                    And only communists have Scientific Atheism.
                    1. -1
                      20 September 2024 09: 00
                      Quote from Aken
                      And only communists have Scientific Atheism.

                      What a mess you have in your head. There is Darwin's theory. That's all there is to atheism. Man cannot accept the fact that he was created by nature, he demands exclusivity! He is not a louse, he was created by higher powers. wassat
                      1. 0
                        20 September 2024 09: 07
                        How does Darwin's theory differ from Scientific Atheism from the point of view of atheism?
                        Only in that Darwinism is the first, unconscious, step towards atheism.
                      2. +3
                        20 September 2024 09: 17
                        Quote from Aken
                        Only in that Darwinism is the first, unconscious, step towards atheism.

                        Actually, atheism originated in the 5th century BC! Ancient Greek. ἄθεος. And quite consciously - entire philosophical schools are based on this!
                      3. -3
                        20 September 2024 09: 24
                        These were local schools, forgotten for thousands of years.
                        The whole world knows that a German invented the monkey. But who remembers the names of the founders of philosophical schools and the main postulates of their teachings?
                        In the 19th century, Atheism was essentially reinvented.
                      4. 0
                        20 September 2024 09: 34
                        Quote from Aken
                        And who remembers the names of the founders of philosophical schools and the main postulates of their teachings?

                        Well, the masses, in general, don’t remember or know anything... What does this have to do with it?
                        Quote from Aken
                        In the 19th century, Atheism was essentially reinvented.

                        So in the middle there was still the Renaissance! Modern word atheist was first used in 1577! Later related words appeared: deist in 1621, theist in 1662, theism in 1678, deism in 1682 and non-theism in 1852. Meanings of words deism и theism changed somewhat around 1700 under the influence of atheism.
                        So nothing was invented in the 19th century. It was a continuous process, which died down somewhat during the period Dark Ages.
                      5. 0
                        20 September 2024 09: 46
                        You didn't quite understand me.
                        How many people in the world in the 17th century knew and used atheistic terms? As many as ancient ones.
                        But atheism came to the masses with the works of Darwin. That's what I call reinventing.
                      6. 0
                        20 September 2024 11: 44
                        The study of nature does not contradict any beliefs; they are different things.
                      7. 0
                        20 September 2024 15: 31
                        Galileo thought the same thing at one time. Naive.
                      8. +1
                        20 September 2024 11: 57
                        Quote from Aken
                        How many people in the world in the 17th century knew and used atheistic terms? As many as ancient ones.
                        But atheism came to the masses with the works of Darwin. That's what I call reinventing.

                        Well, that's natural! Atheism, unlike Obscurantism, is a consequence of education! When education became mass, then atheism also acquired mass forms!
                        The opposite is also natural. Right now we see the degradation of general education. And as a consequence, the rampant growth of obscurantism in its various manifestations - from various religious confessions, esoteric practices, extrasensory perception... to flat-earthers and alternative historians!
                      9. 0
                        20 September 2024 15: 27
                        Here I absolutely agree with you. Plus, the lack of coercion to believe had an effect.
                      10. 0
                        21 September 2024 00: 51
                        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                        Atheism, unlike obscurantism, is a consequence of education! When education became mass, then atheism also acquired mass forms!

                        In my opinion, convinced atheism is a consequence of poor education and limited intelligence. Many great scientists, much more educated than us, were not atheists.
                      11. 0
                        21 September 2024 07: 33
                        Quote: Vasia
                        Many great scientists, much more educated than us, were not atheists.

                        You forgot to include Darwin in this fine company. He also claimed to believe in God. wassat
                        You are missing one important detail - scientists are people too. They live in society and depend on society. Especially on capitalist society, where cancel culture has always been strong. Pay attention to the years you cite. Give an example of TODAY'S scientists, Nobel laureates or not, who would speak similarly about religion.
                        So, I understand, you are a religious person? That is, you really believe in a magical super-being who watches your every action, weighs it, evaluates and judges it? And so for all people throughout history, on the whole Earth? And also the Solar System, the Milky Way, Laniakea, the Great Attractor... the whole Universe in short! By the way, those people whom you cited as an example, who like "more educated than us" didn't even imagine the true scale of the Universe. It wasn't known then. Until the beginning of our century.
                      12. 0
                        21 September 2024 07: 33
                        Fifty thousand years ago, there lived three boys, and one day they were walking across a plain, far from each other. Suddenly, each heard a rustling in the grass. The first thought it was a tiger, and ran as fast as he could. And it really was a tiger, but the boy managed to get away. The second also thought it was a tiger, and ran as if he had been stung, but it was only the wind rustling the grass, and all his friends laughed at the runner for his cowardice. And the third gave up on everything, thinking that there was no need to be afraid of rustling, and he was eaten. This happened millions of times over the history of ten thousand generations, and in the end, everyone saw the tiger in the grass, even if it was not nearby - after all, even cowards have more children than dead people. From these modest premises, we have learned to see faces in the clouds, omens in the stars, and purpose in chaos, since natural selection encourages paranoia. Even now, in the 21st century, you can make people be more honest by drawing a pair of eyes on the wall with a marker. Even now, we are wired to believe that invisible beings are watching us. Some people have learned to exploit this. They paint their faces, wear strange hats, shake rattles, wave crosses, beat drums and say, "Yes, there are tigers in the grass, faces in the sky, and they will all be very angry if you do not follow the commandments. You must bring gifts to appease them, grain, gold and servants for our enjoyment, or they will strike you with lightning or send you to some Horrible Place." Billions of people believed them because they saw invisible tigers. (C)
                      13. 0
                        21 September 2024 11: 12
                        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                        Give me an example of TODAY'S scientists, Nobel laureates or not, who would speak similarly about religion.

                        There are various statements on the Internet, both for and against. For example:
                        Arno Penzias: "God reveals Himself in everything that exists. All reality, to a greater or lesser degree, reveals the plan of God. In all aspects of human experience there is some connection with this plan and the world order."
                        Joseph Taylor: "We believe that there is something divine in every person, and therefore human life is sacred. We must look for the depth of spiritual presence in people, even in those with whom we disagree."
                        Arvid Karlsson: "We are born with genes that God gave us. And this is the natural form of life: in a relationship with God, in prayer to God and in faith in God."
                        By the way, those people whom you cited as an example, who were supposedly “more educated than us”, did not even imagine the true scale of the Universe.

                        Modern ideas differ from yesterday's, tomorrow's ideas will probably differ radically from today's - nothing changes in general. Today, physicists are already seriously talking about 26 dimensions and 10 to the 500th power universes, we cannot even imagine what will happen tomorrow. Although I am closer to those who "yesterday" proposed creating a new physical paradigm, based on which consciousness would be considered as the primordial matter. I think consciousness is primary. Due to the specificity and radical nature of the issue in relation to the classical paradigm, this direction will most likely not receive any significant development within physics soon, remaining a subject for reflection by philosophers and psychologists. Only now did I think about it, because atheists are the biggest fanatics, acting contrary to common sense. I am not talking about those who, although not being believers, do not deny the possibility of the existence of the Almighty, but about convinced atheists who completely deny any possibility. After all, even a fool understands that a person cannot, and may never be able to grasp the whole picture of the universe and the laws existing in it due to limited physical and mental capabilities. Scientists themselves constantly prove this with new discoveries, but for some reason people always step on the same rake and try to shove all the existing light under their current vision of this world - utter stupidity. Those who are further from science suffer from this especially. If we do not know everything about this world, then on what basis can someone deny something - it's stupid. In any case, we will remain with our views and will not prove anything to each other. It's like a person in a dream who thinks that he lives in an ordinary world, does something, and does not even suspect that soon this world will disappear and another will begin. And no one will be able to prove anything to him there in a dream. By the way, if a relatively primitive consciousness/brain of a person can create personal primitive worlds for him, then why can't the Superconsciousness create a big world for many?
                      14. 0
                        21 September 2024 11: 37
                        Quote: Vasia
                        If we don’t know everything about this world, then on what basis can anyone deny anything – that’s stupid.

                        Let's first define what we are discussing. Deny what? Give your definition of "God", what exactly do you mean by this term?
                        Quote: Vasia
                        It’s like a person in a dream who thinks that he lives in an ordinary world, does something, and doesn’t even realize that soon this world will disappear and another one will begin.

                        Is that the case with you? For example, I am always aware that I am dreaming and can even control it - direct the development of the "plot" in a certain direction...
                        P.S. And your examples of scientists are the same. When I said modern, I meant 95-year-old old men who did not live to see our days, and scientists whose active scientific activity falls on the 21st century! TODAY!
                      15. 0
                        21 September 2024 12: 44
                        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                        Let's first define what we are discussing. Deny what? Give your definition of "God", what do you specifically mean by this term?

                        A very strange question, considering that we were talking about atheists. And really, what do they deny? request
                        Give your definition of "God", what exactly do you mean by this term?

                        Why should I give this definition in the context of this discussion - it doesn't make sense.
                        Is that the case with you? For example, I am always aware that I am dreaming and can even control it - direct the development of the "plot" in a certain direction...

                        Dreams controlled in some segments are a common, but not very frequent phenomenon, I have experienced it many times. I do not believe that it is always like this for you. Lucid dreams are much less common, but that is a completely different topic.
                        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                        And your examples of scientists are the same. When I said modern, I meant 95-year-olds who did not live to see our days, and scientists whose active scientific work falls on the 21st century!

                        If you don't like quotes from great minds, who are among the greatest creators of modern physics, because they were influenced by society and were afraid of being canceled, then why are you asking for quotes from our contemporaries, at a time when the culture of canceling God is being aggressively promoted in the West, and the culture of cancellation is incomparably more effective. The term "cancel culture" itself is very recent, before that there was no such concept.
                        Sorry, I repeat:
                        In any case, we will stick to our views and will not prove anything to each other.

                        So why waste time? hi
                      16. 0
                        21 September 2024 15: 43
                        Quote: Vasia
                        Why should I give this definition in the context of this discussion - it doesn't make sense.

                        How does it not matter? We are not discussing a spherical horse in a vacuum, but God! The Creator of the Universe, the Demiurge, the Thrower of Lightning, the Lords of Life, Death? About what? About whom? We need to define the concepts, otherwise maybe we are talking about completely different Things?
                      17. 0
                        21 September 2024 16: 48
                        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                        How does it not matter? We are not discussing a spherical horse in a vacuum, but God! The Creator of the Universe, the Demiurge, the Thrower of Lightning, the Lord of Life, Death?

                        It makes no sense, as does the discussion itself, for the reason I have stated twice above: In any case, we will stick to our views and will not prove anything to each other.
                        We exchanged opinions, as most people here did - more is hardly necessary until the admin fines us for off-topic.
                        And how can gravity be cancelled with the help of "cancel culture"? Or Planck's constant? Or the ratio of the circumference to the diameter? Or the energy released during nuclear fission? Or the ratio of the sides in a right triangle? "Cancel culture" applies only to humanitarian, cultural chimeras, one of which is religion!

                        Nonsense, there is nothing complicated in canceling what you have listed, except for the most basic things that can be counted on your fingers and checked yourself (circle, triangle, 2+2), the main thing is to prepare broad layers of the population, stimulating its degradation to a certain level. Already today, millions of people, many of whom received higher education, believe in a flat Earth, for them there is no longer an obvious picture of the world with its many laws. If the world is under a single authority, someone similar to the not yet hegemon, anything can be canceled. History is also scientific facts, but it is constantly being canceled.
                        Okay, thanks for the chat, I have to go...
                      18. 0
                        21 September 2024 15: 50
                        Quote: Vasia
                        If you don't like quotes from great minds, who are among the greatest creators of modern physics, because they were influenced by society and were afraid of being canceled, then why are you asking for quotes from our contemporaries, at a time when the culture of canceling God is being aggressively promoted in the West, and the culture of cancellation is incomparably more effective. The term "cancel culture" itself is very recent, before that there was no such concept.
                        Sorry, I repeat:

                        How can you cancel gravity with the help of "cancel culture"? Or Planck's constant? Or the ratio of the circumference to the diameter? Or the energy released during nuclear fission? Or the ratio of the sides in a right triangle? "Cancel culture" applies only to humanitarian, cultural chimeras, one of which is religion!
                      19. -3
                        20 September 2024 10: 12
                        As always! Darwin only suggested that man descended from apes. But there were those who, under the guise of "teaching", were doing their own business.
                    2. +3
                      20 September 2024 09: 05
                      Quote from Aken
                      And only communists have Scientific Atheism.

                      In fact, the founders of Scientific Atheism are Hegel и Ludwig Feuerbach, Karl Marx then walked under the table on foot laughing
                      1. 0
                        20 September 2024 09: 08
                        Did I attribute the authorship of the NK textbook to Marx?
                      2. 0
                        20 September 2024 09: 14
                        Quote from Aken
                        Did I attribute the authorship of the NK textbook to Marx?

                        A textbook on what? NK? What is this? laughing
                      3. +1
                        20 September 2024 09: 20
                        Scientific communism.
                        If you remember, German classical philosophy is one of the three sources of Marxism.
                      4. 0
                        20 September 2024 09: 26
                        Quote from Aken
                        Scientific communism.

                        Well! laughing What were we talking about? Scientific Atheism!
                        You're completely confused! wassat
                      5. +1
                        20 September 2024 09: 37
                        Scientific Atheism is an integral part of Scientific Communism.
                        And Scientific Communism is one of the constituent parts of Marxist-Leninist teachings.
                        Forgot? Or just didn't study?
                      6. 0
                        20 September 2024 11: 48
                        Quote from Aken
                        Scientific Atheism is an integral part of Scientific Communism.
                        And Scientific Communism is one of the constituent parts of Marxist-Leninist teachings.
                        Forgot? Or just didn't study?

                        Apparently you haven't studied the right thing. wink Term Scientific Atheism appeared BEFORE Marx wrote his Capital!
                      7. 0
                        20 September 2024 15: 31
                        I don't consider the order in which disciplines emerge at all. It doesn't matter at all.
                        And Capital is only a part of a general teaching that did not appear at once, but was collected into a system over generations.
            2. +1
              20 September 2024 09: 35
              Atheists are also believers.


              This is a favorite mantra of "aggressive" believers. Atheists simply do not see evidence of the existence of God. Not a single person on Earth can prove that he has seen or heard God, and moreover, if he starts saying that he has heard God, then all existing churches/confessions, etc., will be the first to call him crazy, a heretic, a sectarian.
              1. +1
                20 September 2024 10: 47
                It is simply imperative for believers to “stain” everything and everyone around them with their faith.
                When they say that all believers, like, some believe that he exists, and others believe that he does not, then it looks more and more like a play on words.
                After all, with the same success we can say that some believe that he exists, and others do NOT believe that he exists. And then it turns out that some are believers, and others are NOT believers.
                1. +2
                  20 September 2024 11: 47
                  Elements of faith and elements of logical awareness are present in any individual. It is only a matter of proportions.
        2. -1
          20 September 2024 10: 05
          I guess you meant to turn off your brain and just believe. Because with your brain on you doubt a lot of things.
      2. -4
        20 September 2024 08: 30
        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
        How will it take off if it loses its largest market?

        The sales market is provided by the printing press capacity of the US Federal Reserve System laughing Are you from the Papuan tribe that sells gold for glass beads? hi
        1. +3
          20 September 2024 08: 43
          Quote: fif21
          The sales market is provided by the power of the US Federal Reserve printing press. Are you from the Papuan tribe that sells gold for glass beads?

          Any money is "glass beads" that are backed only by the fact that these wrappers (lines of code) are a means of payment and people believe that they have some value. In themselves, neither shells, nor pieces of leather and fur, nor various pieces of paper with symbols printed on them, nor even more so virtual squiggles... have no material value!
          1. -2
            20 September 2024 08: 51
            Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
            Any money is "glass beads" that are secured only by the fact that these wrappers are

            And turn on your brain? Until 1976, the US dollar WAS backed by gold! And now it's a cotton bill! wassat Even in the USSR there were gold, silver, and copper coins. hi
            1. -1
              20 September 2024 09: 12
              Quote: fif21
              And turn on your brain? Until 1976, the US dollar WAS backed by gold! And now it's a cotton bill! Even in the USSR there were gold, silver, copper coins.

              So you don't know that gold and silver circulation is just as susceptible to inflation as paper? Including hyperinflation? When, in the ruins of the Roman Empire, they gave one chicken for a silver coin? wassat So neither gold, nor silver, nor especially copper... in this regard are any different from other conventional means of payment!
              1. 0
                20 September 2024 09: 29
                Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                So you are not aware that gold and silver circulation is just as subject to inflation as paper circulation?

                laughing Inflation is caused by greedy profiteers, and the currency has nothing to do with it. What could you buy for a tsarist chervonets in besieged Leningrad and Tashkent? And the "lemons" of the war communism era? The issue of fiat money is limited only by the availability of paint and banknote material. And the availability of precious metals on planet Earth is limited. Alchemists have not achieved success! wassat
              2. 0
                20 September 2024 09: 56
                Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                So you are not aware that gold and silver circulation is just as subject to inflation as paper circulation? Including hyperinflation?

                In relation to what? Chicken?

                Gold and silver are subject to slight inflation distributed over time, as the productivity of precious metals mining increases. And outpaces the complexity of their extraction. Accordingly, the cost price falls.
                But for gold to be subject to hyperinflation... I've never heard of that!

                Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                in the ruins of the Roman Empire, one chicken was given for a silver coin

                I have not been to the ruins of the Roman Empire.
                But let's not take short periods of tragedy. And extreme places of deprivation. Like water in the desert is worth its weight in gold! But let's take a normal situation of that stability in which we live most of the time. We will not see any hyperinflation of gold (even during war!).
            2. +1
              20 September 2024 11: 48
              So gold is also a type of money. The difference is not fundamental.
              1. 0
                20 September 2024 11: 53
                Quote: th.kuzmichev
                So gold is also a type of money. The difference is not fundamental.

                The world trusts gold more than the US dollar. And no country has the ability to use gold as an instrument of economic warfare. Gold is mined all over the world, the real US dollar is printed only in the USA. hi
                1. +2
                  20 September 2024 12: 04
                  It's not about trust. Gold is not food, fuel or building material. It's just money. There are rare earth elements more important than gold in terms of value as a commodity.
                  1. 0
                    20 September 2024 12: 18
                    Quote: th.kuzmichev
                    It's not about trust.

                    Here, I do not agree with you. Banks all over the world believed in the dollar, and accepted it as a supranational currency (an instrument of settlements), by inertia continued to believe when the US declared that the dollar would not be backed by gold. But after the US began to use its dollar in economic wars (sanctions, disconnection from payment systems, freezing of assets of the Central Bank, a ban on its use ...) Faith in the US dollar collapsed in the Central Bank of the DPRK, the Central Bank of Iran, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, and other countries forced them to think. Therefore, for the development of the economy and ensuring payments, another currency is needed, not controlled by any country in the world, different from the US dollar, and its derivatives Euro, pound, yen. hi
                    1. 0
                      20 September 2024 12: 34
                      This all goes without saying. But money is an invention, of course, convenient, but it has many shortcomings. It is generally possible to live without it, but it is impossible without water. It is time to come up with something new.
                      1. 0
                        20 September 2024 12: 47
                        Quote: th.kuzmichev
                        But money is an invention, of course, convenient, but it has many disadvantages.

                        They said that under Communism there would be no money! wassat
                        But they didn't come up with any other calculation tools. I'm lying, there were also workdays. wassat There was barter. But how to put it into a bank account, I have no idea. laughing
                2. SIT
                  -1
                  21 September 2024 12: 28
                  The amount of gold is limited. You will not be able to increase production, because you need to invest in new capacities, and there is no money, because there is no more gold. You will have to cut other expenses. Salaries, for example, but then people will run away. Reasonable inflation is the engine of progress, when profit is at the forefront. There will be no profit when calculating in gold. That is why fiat money was invented.
                  1. 0
                    21 September 2024 14: 20
                    Quote: SIT
                    The amount of gold is limited. You will not be able to increase production,

                    The fact that the amount of gold is limited is good. It will not be possible to issue currency backed by gold without control. And if necessary, the BRICS Federal Reserve will be able to reduce the gold backing of its currency. Gold prices will naturally increase.
                    Quote: SIT
                    Reasonable inflation is the engine of progress, when profit is at the forefront. There will be no profit when calculating in gold. That's why fiat money was invented.

                    Reasonable inflation when calculating with a currency backed by gold will be. And this is evident in the example of the dollar. The US Federal Reserve refused to back the dollar with gold only in 1976. The dollar, both backed by gold and not backed by gold, is also a fiat currency. Fiat money was introduced for the convenience of buyers. How to buy a box of matches worth 1 kopeck using a gold chervonets "Sower"? Digital money is being introduced now to reduce the costs of issuing fiat money. This is, if a short answer to your question. hi
                    1. SIT
                      0
                      21 September 2024 14: 53
                      It is possible to reduce the gold backing, but this will lead to an increase in prices while maintaining the same level of wages, i.e. a fall in the standard of living. Moreover, this will be a consequence of more efficient production and growth in labor productivity. What's the point of toiling then? Capitalism cannot stand still. It can only expand. This leads to crises that are not at all spontaneous, during which capital is centralized - the rich become richer and the poor become poorer. The result of this process is the theory of the golden billion, i.e. globalization. The system must be changed in principle.
                      1. 0
                        21 September 2024 21: 28
                        Quote: SIT
                        It is possible to reduce the gold backing, but this will lead to an increase in prices while maintaining the same level of wages, i.e. a fall in the standard of living.

                        Do you get paid in foreign currency? No! You get paid in the national currency. No one will transfer it to the gold standard. A supranational currency is needed to make payments between countries, to ensure stable payments. Citizens will also be able to buy it according to the exchange rate, say, for vacation trips to other countries. The development of one's own economy occurs at the expense of national money, and does not depend on the political forms of government of the state. Take Vietnam and China. Both countries are governed by communist parties. hi
                      2. SIT
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                        22 September 2024 13: 26
                        And imports will have to be purchased for gold. This means that the price in the national currency will grow, and the standard of living will accordingly fall. Technologies abroad will also have to be purchased for gold, which means that the products from these technologies will have to pay for this spent gold. The prices will be appropriate. It will not be possible to develop the economy only at the expense of national currencies in the open world. It is possible NOT to tie your currency to the currency of the issuer country as the base one in the currency board system, but for this you need to have a state bank of China, and not the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, which serves exclusively global financial speculators.
                      3. 0
                        22 September 2024 20: 02
                        Quote: SIT
                        But imports will have to be purchased with gold.

                        belay It's a pity that you didn't understand anything. request
                        Quote: SIT
                        Developing the economy only through national money in an open world will not work.

                        Correct. And to attract foreign investment, to buy the necessary goods, technologies and services, you need international currency. To sell something unnecessary, you first need to buy something unnecessary! tongue
                        Quote: SIT
                        It is possible NOT to peg your currency to the currency of the issuer country as the base currency in the currency board system, but for this you need to have a state bank of China, and not the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, which serves exclusively global financial speculators

                        For this, we need to have the BRICS Federal Reserve and the "BRICS" currency, the BRICS Development Bank already exists, and payment systems also exist. In the meantime, yes, we serve the US Federal Reserve, the IMF, and the US, albeit not in the same volumes, but we do serve. The Russian Federation paid SWIFT owners 3 billion greenbacks annually, just for the transfer of transactions (payments to suppliers in other countries). Not bad? hi
                      4. SIT
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                        22 September 2024 21: 34
                        A single currency is the last stage of economic integration. Before that, we need to go through all the other stages and not run away. This is a very long and difficult path.
                      5. 0
                        23 September 2024 06: 53
                        Quote: SIT
                        A single currency is the last stage of economic integration. Before that, we need to go through all the other stages and not run away. This is a very long and difficult path.

                        Countries of the world may have insurmountable contradictions in the area of ​​national interests, religion, social system. But when it comes to trade, development of their own economy, there is no contradiction. If the economy is not drawn into an economic war. A supranational currency is NOT INTEGRATION , this is a tool that ensures interstate trade. And one more plus, the shareholders of the US Federal Reserve System are the financial tycoons of the West, my proposal is that the shareholders of the BRICS Federal Reserve System will be the Central Banks of the participating countries. An agreement is needed between the participating countries, and the technical issue can be resolved in a year or two. hi
                      6. SIT
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                        23 September 2024 18: 12
                        Economic integration goes through several stages (phases) 1:

                        Free trade zone. Provides for the abolition of customs barriers and tariffs in mutual trade of goods and services. But in relations with third countries, a single customs policy is pursued.
                        Customs Union. Customs tariffs are abolished, a system of non-tariff regulation in relations with third countries is introduced. Duty-free intra-integration trade in goods and services is envisaged.
                        Common market. Characterized by the formation of a single market for all types of resources (goods, services, capital, labor, and technology). Coordination is carried out at meetings of heads of state and government.
                        Economic and Monetary Union. These levels imply full integration of national economies, introduction of a single currency system, implementation of a unified budgetary and monetary policy, formation of supranational governing bodies.

                        The Central Bank of the Russian Federation and the State Bank of China are different organizations in terms of functionality. Compare our law on the Central Bank and the law on the State Bank of China. It would be very reckless to enter into an alliance with an office like our Central Bank.
                      7. 0
                        23 September 2024 18: 57
                        You are told that the introduction of a supranational currency of the BRICS countries is NOT INTEGRATION of economies. It is an instrument of international trade of the BRICS countries, and of all who agree to trade for the new currency.
                        Quote: SIT
                        The Central Bank of the Russian Federation and the State Bank of China are different organizations in terms of functionality. Compare our law on the Central Bank and the law on the State Bank of China.

                        The USSR State Bank and the US Federal Reserve System are also different organizations in their functions, which did not prevent them from trading. Therefore, your arguments are not convincing. The PRC is now successfully trading with the West, but the PRC economy has already felt the pressure of the Western financial system to curb economic growth. The West is putting pressure on competitors and will continue to do so. Or does anyone still have illusions that kind Uncle Sam will allow the economies of countries trying to pursue an independent policy to develop? hi
                      8. SIT
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                        23 September 2024 19: 07
                        So far, the introduction of a supranational currency has been a consequence of the process of economic integration and nothing else. You are clearly in line for the Nobel Prize in Economics - go for it. The USSR and the USA traded in US dollars. For exporting Soviet chervonets and quarters abroad and for speculating in currency within the country, one could end up under the "butterfly" of Article 88 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR, and this could go all the way up to the death penalty.
                      9. 0
                        23 September 2024 19: 09
                        Quote: SIT
                        So far, throughout the world, the introduction of a supranational currency has been a consequence of the process of economic integration and nothing else.

                        Everything is clear with you. Goodbye. hi
        2. -3
          20 September 2024 09: 37
          The sales market is provided by the printing press capacity of the US Federal Reserve System


          If it were that simple, everyone would be typing like crazy and living happily ever after.
          1. +2
            20 September 2024 10: 01
            Quote: Oldrover

            If it were that simple, everyone would be typing like crazy and living happily ever after.

            The shareholders of the US Federal Reserve System live like this. And the US national debt shows that the printing press works around the clock and the US pays all its expenses with this money. The rest of the world must EARN dollars, the slaves of the US colonies haven't understood this yet?
            1. -3
              20 September 2024 10: 08
              And the US national debt shows that the printing press works around the clock and the US pays all its expenses with this money.


              Who is stopping others from doing the same, printing rubles, yuan, euros, etc.?

              The rest of the world must EARN dollars, the slaves of the US colonies haven't understood this yet?


              I don’t know what slavery and colonies you’re talking about, the standard of living in the US is not that great compared to other developed countries.
              1. 0
                20 September 2024 10: 32
                Quote: Oldrover
                Who is stopping others from doing the same, printing rubles, yuan, euros, etc.?

                laughing Of all the currencies you listed, only the Euro is accepted by almost all banks in the world (the US trades only in dollars). Other national currencies are not allowed there!
                Quote: Oldrover
                I don’t know what slavery and colonies you’re talking about, the standard of living in the US is not that great compared to other developed countries.

                The "Great Depression" would have been repeated in the USA long ago if the US dollar, through the efforts of the Federal Reserve System, had not been recognized as the world's unit of payment. All developed countries are obliged to buy US debt obligations (treasuries), and they (the Federal Reserve System) ensure that the dollars printed in astronomical quantities do not affect the growth of domestic consumption. Roughly speaking, the dollar is the most sold commodity in the world (for now). The USA does not need to produce or sell anything, they can only sell dollars and buy whatever they want with it. The whole world must produce something and receive dollars for it. And the USA can buy everything for a piece of paper printed. Conclusion - The whole world works for the USA. hi
                1. SIT
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                  21 September 2024 12: 37
                  Since 1976, the Jamaican currency system has been in effect, which abolished the gold standard. Exchange rates are determined by supply and demand, BUT according to an agreement between the US and the largest oil producing country, Saudi Arabia, it was established that oil and gas are traded only in dollars. Everyone needs oil, which means everyone needs the dollar. Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi tried to change this. You know what happened to them with the help of the US.
                  1. 0
                    21 September 2024 14: 27
                    Quote: SIT
                    BUT, under an agreement between the US and the largest producing country, Saudi Arabia, it was established that petroleum hydrocarbons are traded only in dollars.

                    The contract expired and was not renewed. Oil is already being traded in national currencies.
                    Quote: SIT
                    Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi tried to change this. You know what happened to them with the help of the USA.

                    Libya and Iraq are militarily weak countries. Russia, China, India are not afraid of the US and NATO armies. This means they don't care about the opinion of the US and the shareholders of the Federal Reserve System. wassat
                    1. SIT
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                      21 September 2024 15: 06
                      Look at this picture. Indeed, the dollar share was falling, but look at what happened after our SVO began. The dollar share went to its maximum, and the euro rolled down. If it weren't for our SVO, there really could have been a technical default for the dollar. Is it clear what we're fighting for?
                      1. 0
                        21 September 2024 21: 35
                        Quote: SIT
                        Do you understand what we are fighting for?

                        The economic war imposed on Russia by the West is no less dangerous for Russia than the NWO. Russia will win the NWO, but if it loses the economic war, it will remain a colony of the USA, and other countries in their economy are entirely dependent on the whims of the USA. hi
                      2. SIT
                        +1
                        22 September 2024 13: 38
                        Russia can win, but it can NOT win, because this is not its game. We, like Ukraine, are objects in this matter, not subjects. The only beneficiaries of this slaughter are the owners of the money from Wall Street. Neither Russia, nor Europe, nor even the US as a state are interested in this war. For the third time in 3 years, we are smashing to rubble what was built by the hard work of previous generations, because there is no Ukraine and never was. There was also the Kaiser's Anti-Russia project, which has now been revived for the third time. This is a purely civil war. Europe, deprived of cheap Russian energy resources, is deindustrializing. The US is sliding into the era of the Cuban Missile Crisis and is again beginning to live under the guns of Russian nuclear missiles. All this in order to prolong the dominion of the dollar and its owners on the planet.
                      3. 0
                        22 September 2024 20: 14
                        Quote: SIT
                        Russia can win, but it can NOT win,

                        Politically and economically Russia has already won; the regions of Ukraine and Crimea, with people already Russia. There will be no NATO bases in these territories, and nothing has ended yet. The Russian economy is moving from raw materials to import substitution, developing the necessary industries. And all because in the West someone decided to break the Russian Federation economically, and scare it with military force. As a result, the West is left without cheap raw materials, and with the growing military power of the Russian Federation. hi
                      4. SIT
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                        22 September 2024 21: 47
                        Won?? According to our Ministry of Emergency Situations, it will take 100 years to demining Ukraine alone. No one has ever counted the time or money needed to restore everything that was destroyed. Where is the import substitution? The first on the Forbes list are Alikperov, Mordashov, Lisin, i.e. those who, taking advantage of the increased demand due to the war, raised the prices of fuel and metal. Where are the technological breakthroughs? It's just that imports have become Chinese, not European. In 2022, at the height of the fighting, military spending amounted to 9% of GDP, and 13% of GDP was transferred to offshore accounts. ALL offshore accounts are in the American banking zone, i.e. our money is working for our enemies. Is this import substitution? Is this all for the front, all for victory?
                      5. 0
                        23 September 2024 07: 04
                        Quote: SIT
                        Is this import substitution? Is this all for the front, all for victory?

                        Victory requires a strong, sovereign economy. Not slogans and accusations. The Russian economy has proven vulnerable to the Western financial system. This means that this threat to the country's sovereignty must be eliminated. A supranational currency of the BRICS countries can do this, especially since the US continues to "pressure" their economies. It is ridiculous to demand that businesses not work in the American banking zone. There is no alternative to it yet, which is why it is necessary to create a BRICS banking zone, providing it with financial instruments that are not controlled by the US Federal Reserve. hi
                      6. SIT
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                        23 September 2024 18: 02
                        In order to conclude a currency union, the economies of the participating states must be approximately equal. Legislation must be brought to a single standard. Can this be said about the BRICS countries now? In order to do all this, it is necessary to at least repeal the law on the Central Bank of the Russian Federation and revise the agreement with the IMF. In connection with Russia's raw material orientation, Part 2 of Article 9 of the Constitution must also be thrown into the dustbin of history. Natural monopolies CANNOT be privately owned. Without this, Russia will never emerge from its status as a banana republic in the form of a kerosene shop. Who will do all this? Who has the political will for this?
                      7. 0
                        23 September 2024 18: 29
                        Quote: SIT
                        In order to enter into a monetary union, the economies of the participating states must be approximately equal. Legislation must be brought to a single standard. Can this be said about the BRICS countries now?

                        You've gone in the wrong direction. What's needed is not a monetary union, but the creation of financial mechanisms and instruments for normal trade, where there is no hegemon and shareholders of the Federal Reserve System. Do you really not understand what we're talking about? Or are the US and the IMF your everything, like Nabiullina?
                        Quote: SIT
                        In order to do all this, it is necessary to at least repeal the law on the Central Bank of the Russian Federation and revise the agreement with the IMF. In connection with Russia's raw material orientation, Part 2 of Article 9

                        Is that the problem? When the issue concerns economic sovereignty! An agreement with the IMF and possibly changes to some articles in the Constitution of the Russian Federation? When one boss needed to reset everything, they quickly concocted everything. And Nabiullina and the central bank need to remember - there are no irreplaceable people. hi
                      8. SIT
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                        23 September 2024 18: 56
                        Do you want to move economic theory forward? Are you not satisfied with the developments of your predecessors, based on world experience? When you develop these financial mechanisms and instruments, don't forget to go and get the Nobel Prize in Economics.
                        What kind of economic sovereignty can we talk about when the ruble is tied to the dollar by agreement with the IMF? Article 9, Part 2 of the Constitution is the next cornerstone in the general system of plundering Russia after the law on the Central Bank. Its abolition is not the same as resetting the presidential terms. It is a complete change of the economic basis, which will entail a change in the political setup, in which there will not even be a place for a position with such powers as the reset boss now has. Where is the political force that can do this?
                      9. 0
                        23 September 2024 19: 08
                        Quote: SIT
                        Do you want to move economic theory forward? Are you not satisfied with the developments of your predecessors, based on world experience?

                        wassat I am satisfied with the developments of predecessors. I just suggest stealing wassat economic model of the West, and project it onto the new center of power of a multi-polar world, but slightly rework it, increase the competitive advantages of the new currency (gold standard) and replace the shareholders of the US Federal Reserve with the States.
                        Quote: SIT
                        This is a complete change of the economic basis, which will entail a change in the political setup, in which there will not even be a place for a position with such powers as the zeroed-out boss has now. Where is the political force that can do this?

                        When the economy is turned into political economy, don't expect anything good. Nothing will have to be changed, because of the introduction of a new supranational currency. And for a change of the state system in the Russian Federation, look for other reasons. As you have already learned with your political economy. am
                      10. SIT
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                        23 September 2024 19: 16
                        Politics is the concentrated expression of economics. (C) Carl Philipp Gottlieb von Clausewitz
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                        23 September 2024 19: 18
                        Quote: SIT
                        Politics is the concentrated expression of economics. (C) Carl Philipp Gottlieb von Clausewitz

                        laughing Can you quote something of yours? It's the 21st century outside! hi
                      12. SIT
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                        23 September 2024 19: 21
                        So far, no one has refuted this before you. But I wrote to you - go for it! I will show this correspondence to my grandchildren and say that I spoke with a Nobel laureate.
    2. 0
      20 September 2024 10: 03
      Such a large economy cannot collapse in an instant, and especially not from the narrowing of global dollar settlements. The process will be long, long. Oh, and don't forget about dollar inflation. Americans themselves suffer from this, but dollar holders abroad are also getting poorer. Their dollars are also getting cheaper.
    3. -2
      20 September 2024 10: 07
      All sorts of Googles, Pepsi-Colas, Fords and other transcontinental corporations are not going anywhere. You can puff yourself up as much as you want, but during the hegemony of the dollar, they have very well developed their production of goods and services and have hooked the whole world on them and bought a lot of things. And China is not going anywhere, they have to sell to someone.
      1. 0
        20 September 2024 10: 52
        Quote: KukuRuzvelt
        And China won't go anywhere from them, they have to sell to someone.

        So that later, like Iran and Russia, they take away the accumulated reserves? If Biden is also the Secretary of the CPC Central Committee, then yes, the Chinese have nothing to worry about. Unable to withstand competition with China, the US will first start an economic war - sanctions, which will not help, they will drag China into a war with India or Pacific NATO, or they can unleash a hybrid war, and sanctions and a war, say, with the Philippines. To maintain its hegemony over the world, the US will stop at nothing. hi
      2. 0
        20 September 2024 10: 59
        Quote: KukuRuzvelt
        All sorts of Googles, Pepsi-Colas, Fords and other transcontinental corporations are not going anywhere.

        There are no companies in the world that are global monopolies. hi
    4. 0
      22 September 2024 09: 23
      Credo che tu sia realmente "affumicato". Non è che quello che ti viene imposto debba per forza essere meglio, sono anni che gli usa ti cagano in testa con la loro egemonia, e c'è chi, come te, lo apprezza.
  2. +8
    20 September 2024 08: 00
    This is good news. You are on the right path, comrades!
  3. +5
    20 September 2024 08: 06
    Someone behind the puddle started to itch badly in one place.
  4. +4
    20 September 2024 08: 13
    BRICS is slowly gaining strength. More and more countries want to join!
  5. +4
    20 September 2024 08: 15
    It's time to switch to the BRIGS currency. The main thing here is the system, not records.
    1. -2
      20 September 2024 08: 32
      There will not be a single one. There will be several regional ones.
    2. -2
      20 September 2024 08: 35
      Quote: APASUS
      It's time to switch to the BRIGS currency. The main thing here is the system, not records.

      good BRICS is at the beginning of the path, moving away from unsecured, candy wrappers. We are returning to the gold standard. And we are creating a system, taking into account the mistakes of the US Federal Reserve (the world unit of account, cannot be the unit of account of any country, and must be secured by something, previously it was gold) hi
      1. -4
        20 September 2024 09: 40
        cannot be a unit of account of any country, and must be backed by something, previously it was gold)


        The dollar is backed by the power of the US economy and army, why do you need gold, maybe it would be better to use grain as a security measure, at least you can eat it if necessary.
        1. +2
          20 September 2024 10: 10
          Quote: Oldrover
          The dollar is backed by the strength of the US economy and military

          wassat The US Army still does, but is real production in the US growing? And at the expense of what? By robbing the rest of the world. The US doesn't even have the money to buy oil, the strategic reserves of which they have spent half, knocking down fuel prices. The US is BANKRUPT! hi
  6. 0
    20 September 2024 08: 20
    The BRICS countries have reached such a level of development that the flow of migrants from Europe and the USA is already flooding India, China and Russia... It is strange that those migrants who are changing the elevators in our building look little like Europeans. True, on TV they show that only Turks, Arabs and other Tajiks have been living in Europe for a long time.
  7. -2
    20 September 2024 08: 22
    If only they would abandon secondary sanctions, they would be priceless.
  8. 0
    20 September 2024 08: 30
    [/i]For the first time in history, the volume of settlements in national currencies between the BRICS countries exceeded the volume of transactions in US dollars[i]

    It's not a bogeyman yet, but I would like to see panic in the near future on Wall Street, all sorts of Londoners and hangers-on in gay Europe, calling for buying up all the greenbacks for the formerly wooden rubles for free!
    When the tsunami approaches, the entire debt of 35 trillion greenbacks in the Yankee will turn into garbage and drag all allies and partners down with it.
  9. -2
    20 September 2024 09: 20
    Have the issues of mutual payments with India been resolved or is Russia still supplying oil to the Indians at a discount, and they are promising to resolve the payment issue “in the near future”?
    1. 0
      20 September 2024 11: 02
      Quote: Amateur
      And the issues of mutual payments with India have been resolved

      Decided . hi
  10. 0
    20 September 2024 14: 13
    This is all very well, but then the States introduce secondary sanctions against banks and all this BRICS activity goes down the drain

    request
  11. 0
    21 September 2024 11: 45
    This is a fake. It would be nice, but it is not. In Russia's settlements with these countries, the dollar has given way to national currencies, and in the settlements of the BRICS countries among themselves, except for us, the dollar remains dominant. This is convenient, and we always think about the risks later.