We need to protect facilities from drone attacks now, not in a year or two

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We need to protect facilities from drone attacks now, not in a year or two


How much talk is there today about protecting our military and industrial facilities from attacks? drones. It is understandable. Fuel storage facilities, military-industrial complex workshops, and critical infrastructure facilities catch fire in one place or another from “drone debris” or “as a result of a violation of repair technology.”



As always, the mentality of a citizen of a huge country is reflected. Global projects are proposed, such as complete coverage of the country's territory with stations EW or the creation of an alternative "anti-drone" system Defense country.

Of course, why waste time on trifles? Set a task, provide funding, and in a few years we will invent such a system. And we will even teach artificial intelligence to manage it. If we are going to have fun, let's have fun...

You can also bury all the warehouses and key production facilities. Shovels in the hands of all civilians and for a clean-up day. A drone won't be able to penetrate the earthen cover. Isn't that a project? Not enough shovels? So give the military factories a task, and in a month every Russian will have one working and one or two spare shovels...

You can come up with hundreds of such projects. They might work. Of course, not 100%, but they will. Then... In a year or two or three... And warehouses, storage facilities, workshops are burning today! Probably, right now in some forest, another saboteur is attaching a thermite bomb to a civilian drone.

Under bullets and drops the head works much faster


Today, many people write that we need to remember the experience of the USSR. I am sitting here, recalling this very experience of fighting drones, and I cannot remember. And we ourselves Drones at that time, I forgot something. I remember the strategic ones, but not the little things that pose a particular danger today. Maybe only guided missiles...

Of course, we shouldn't reject the experience of the Soviet Union. There were very interesting and useful developments there. Like earthen ramparts between dangerous objects. It seems like a cheap trifle, but it worked and works. They blew up one tank, the others are safe. But this is not a solution to a specific problem. This is a fight not specifically against drones, but against the consequences of strikes.

But there are already proven and simple solutions that can be implemented at many sites in a short time and at minimal cost. For example, protecting the same aircraft at airfields. Hangars and caponiers? In the future, yes.

Let's look at those who are now in the SVO zone. What solution did they find?

Barbecues! Is it difficult and expensive to install such structures at airfields? The plane has worked, returned and is parked under the net. It won't protect you from missiles, but a drone is powerless against a barbecue.

Fuel storage facilities can be protected in the same way. Fuel tankers – in individual caponiers and under the net. That’s it! Even if there is a massive attack, the losses will be several times less than in open areas.

And if you think about it, it would be worthwhile to think about this kind of protection at defense enterprises. It's even simpler there. Fixed roofs. Just cover the workshop with a false roof made of mesh. "Drone debris" and "careless repairmen" will no longer be able to set fire to roofs...

What else do fighters use in the SVO zone?

From the simplest, but most effective.

Hunting and anti-drone guns! The facilities are guarded. So why can't some of the guards be trained to handle such weapons and create a mobile group in each shift that, if necessary, would move to dangerous areas and work on the UAVs that have broken through.

I have given only a couple of examples of how it is necessary to use the experience of the Air Defense Forces in combating enemy drones in the rear. I am sure that these are not the latest "inventions" of our fighters. So the task is not so much in creating something new and super-effective, but in the rapid implementation on the ground of what already exists, which has proven itself well in combat conditions.

But this does not at all cancel out other means of protection. At more distant borders. The same electronic warfare, even ZSU-23 or machine guns on the approaches to the object. This is a different level of protection. I wrote about the last line of defense. About what can be done quickly and without spending a lot of money.

In general, I think that it is not worth investing in expensive anti-drone defense projects today. I just remembered the old confrontation that has lasted for centuries: the confrontation between projectiles and armor. This is a modern confrontation. Only drones are in an obviously better position. They are advancing. They are constantly improving. Defense is less mobile.

Drones are the most dangerous weapon on the front lines today


The SVO has changed a lot in the understanding of modern warfare. Including the role of drones on the battlefield. Few expected that drones would become the most formidable weapon of the 21st century. I am not only talking about UAVs, but about drones in general. No one is surprised anymore that drones are constantly mastering new and new military specialties.

Nobody is surprised that they are much more effective. At the same time, the drone also becomes a "budget" version of weapons. The cost of a drone is not even several times, but orders of magnitude lower than the cost of the objects it hits. I am not afraid to say that drones have revolutionized military science.

I am not diminishing the role of other weapons. They still play a huge role on the battlefield. But, you must admit, now no one can act without taking into account the actions of drones. This means that the problem of protection from these weapons must be solved urgently: at the front and in the rear.

I am sure the problem will be solved. But until that happens, we must use what has already been tested and works. Maybe not as effectively as we would like, but it works.
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  1. +35
    22 September 2024 06: 08
    Under bullets and drops the head works much faster

    You have noticed this correctly... Only for this purpose the personal offices of various ex- and ordinary ministers need to be moved to the Donetsk or Kursk region. When bullets fly into their heads, "drops" rain down from above, and "pops" are heard behind the wall, - maybe something will move from its place...
    And if they are not able to ensure their own security, then the country does not need such professionals for free, and does not need them with money...
    1. -15
      22 September 2024 06: 47
      I believe that we need to work on Ukraine with tactical nuclear weapons now.

      And there will be no drone attacks. Fear. Fear rules the world.

      And only the Fear of being destroyed can stop this terrible war.
      1. +12
        22 September 2024 06: 50
        The area of ​​damage from a drone is proportional to the square of the radius from the launch point. The same as the area of ​​damage from a guided aerial bomb.

        The Western press explained the Ukrainian Armed Forces' desire to obtain and use all these "Storm Shadows": it is ineffective in principle to destroy the carriers - the VKS aircraft. And what if there are not a couple of aircraft, but a dozen??? In any case, it is necessary to strike the concentration airfields with a "long arm"...

        While UAVs penetrate through LBS, as in Nevsky, the danger from UAVs will increase many times over. And what if not a couple dozen drones like near Toropets, but hundreds... saturate the air defense of the facility, or God forbid - civilians...

        I will not stop repeating that in such conditions, the war of attrition qualitatively changes to terror against Russia. And the damage to Russia from the unsuccessful defense of the people of Russia from this, many times exceeds the kinetic losses, with all the ensuing consequences.

        There is no more rear.

        In such conditions of Russia's loss of images of a competent military power, the preservation of personnel ceases to be the main parameter limiting the methods of waging war. It is clear as day - a strategic operation is needed to clear the Left Bank of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, with the exception of the Kyiv segment.

        Either there are no weapons, or political will, or a commander who can confidently stake his life on the success of this operation. And I will never tire of repeating - wasps are not destroyed individually, but by destroying the nest as quickly as possible.

        The losses will be high, but the only strategy to reduce total military losses is to reduce the duration of the war.
        1. +8
          22 September 2024 14: 22
          This "arithmetic" may look cynical, but what is more effective for achieving a result, in this case, victory. To lose 10 people in 10 days in skirmishes on the contact line or the same 10 people in one day, but having moved forward significantly?
          Not to mention the time that allows the enemy to create human and material reserves, develop and implement new types of weapons. Prolonging the war, indecisiveness, only leads to new significant losses.
      2. +7
        22 September 2024 07: 43
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        I believe that we need to work on Ukraine with tactical nuclear weapons now.

        This should have been done immediately, as soon as they began to retreat from Kyiv, shamefully surrendered Kherson, and Ukraine began to receive serious lethal weapons...
        1. +7
          22 September 2024 08: 05
          No. Then - there were no grounds for this. But now - the Ukrainian Wehrmacht has already invaded Russian territory, which means - it has given a reason to use it according to our official doctrine...

          Although - what will it change? Do you think the West feels sorry for the Ukropiteks? We won't be hitting the cities anyway, and as for the troops - well, a brigade of Papuans more, a brigade less... There will only be a howl all over the planet...

          If they are going to use it, then do it en masse and across the entire territory. But a single explosion in country 404 - the West won't stop anything.
          1. -7
            22 September 2024 09: 29
            If they start using long-range Western missiles in large numbers deep into Russian territory, then a nuclear strike must not be launched against Kiev, they are just puppets on whom nothing depends in principle, but against London, the main breeding ground for Russophobia and one of the main sponsors of this war. The US is unlikely to respond to our strike against London and thereby expose itself to our counter-nuclear strikes.
            1. -5
              22 September 2024 11: 52
              Not about London, but in general. Two Sarmats should close the "British question" forever. With this step, the Russian Federation will also exclude the retaliatory use of nuclear weapons by NATO, since this requires not only the consent of representatives of all members of the Nuclear Planning Group, but also the joint consent of the US President and the British Prime Minister.
              1. +4
                22 September 2024 21: 44
                So far, judging by the latest reports from Plesetsk, we are not ready for two Sarmats.
                1. 0
                  25 September 2024 08: 18
                  They'll fix it. There were very few tests there. No point in flapping your mouth and shouting at the whole universe.
          2. +3
            22 September 2024 11: 19
            Just an invasion is not a reason to use tactical nuclear weapons. Read the doctrine.
            1. 0
              22 September 2024 12: 25
              The threat of seizing a nuclear power plant is not an argument for you?
            2. +4
              22 September 2024 12: 53
              Here the question is about the existence of the state and not about invasion. Read the doctrine.
              1. +1
                22 September 2024 21: 14
                Quote from: dmi.pris1
                Here the question of the existence of the state already arises.

                The proxy war unleashed by the West and the shelling of Russian territories by its puppets is not a threat to the state?
                This way, you can then watch Moscow burn in nuclear ashes and sing, “otherwise, everything is fine.”
              2. -1
                23 September 2024 11: 58
                I read and contradict. The threat to the existence of Russia is if the enemy is near Moscow. Something we do not observe laughing
                1. -1
                  25 September 2024 08: 19
                  In this war you can stand nowhere at all, but be smashed to dust.
                  1. 0
                    25 September 2024 10: 57
                    To smash huge Russia into pieces? From a distance? Russia is not Gaza.
          3. BAI
            +1
            22 September 2024 17: 46
            If we are going to use it, then do it immediately on a massive scale and throughout the entire territory.

            You can cover the whole of Ukraine with asphalt, it won’t change anything.
            We need to strike at NATO territory. A pinpoint strike would be enough there.
          4. +5
            22 September 2024 18: 58
            If they are going to use it, then do it en masse and across the entire territory. But a single explosion in country 404 - the West won't stop anything.

            As an adherent of a tactical nuclear strike on Ukraine, I cannot agree with you. I believe that at first even a single powerful ground nuclear strike by a strategic missile on the Yavoriv test site in the Lviv region near the Polish border with an easterly wind should inspire many Russophobes with pants full of goodness that the slow heating of the frog is over and a bloody meat grinder can begin. At the same time, there is no strike on NATO and there are no reasons for a third world war. And if a test strike on the Yavoriv test site does not have any effect, then there are many targets for TNW in Ukraine, especially in the West, even without a strike on cities.
          5. +1
            22 September 2024 22: 37
            I agree, and in this case our analysts have looked at everything and brought the situation to the point of zug and zwang, the conclusion is cowardice, indecision or maybe someone is holding our guarantor by that very place (well, you get the idea).
            1. 0
              25 September 2024 08: 23
              It looks like everything together. This is not the kind of chief of staff that is needed during a war. He is a manager and a trader, not a warrior. The General Staff is the same, apparently. There is no courage on the mumu's face, only bitchiness. The interests of the country are far from being the first priority. If it weren't for the raw materials, he would have disappeared long ago.
        2. -2
          22 September 2024 09: 13
          This had to be done immediately, as soon as they began to retreat from Kyiv.

          This should have been done immediately after the failure of plan "A" in the second week of the special operation. It was not too late after the shameful retreat in the fall of 2022, but with the mobilization. In 2023, this was fraught with an economic and naval blockade by NATO and US allies in the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. Now it is fraught with a full-scale war. Failure to use nuclear weapons in the near future may well lead to capitulation in the form of an armistice of 1918.
          1. +1
            25 September 2024 08: 25
            All because not a single boss has a strategic vision. Not given. And their goals are tiny - Jewish business.
        3. +20
          22 September 2024 12: 04
          Quote: Luminman
          This should have been done immediately, as soon as they began to retreat from Kyiv, shamefully surrendered Kherson, and Ukraine began to receive serious lethal weapons...


          Yeah. Instead of properly preparing and conducting an operation, like the "stupid Americans" did in Iraq, who took Baghdad in less than a month, they should immediately fire a nuclear missile. But I'm afraid even a nuclear missile won't fix the consequences of the incompetent leadership of money-obsessed liars.
          1. +2
            25 September 2024 09: 50
            You are trying to take a step back from the situation in my post.
            I don't understand how much time is needed for a mediocrity, who has not mastered the basics of strategy and military art, to prepare for a military operation properly. Obviously, it was not possible to prepare for a large-scale war with an army that was experienced and trained thanks to our inaction in 8 years. But there are still Soviet cliches of the planned war in Europe in the 70s of the last century. In them, without pacifist whining, the tactics of using and exploiting the results of the use of tactical nuclear weapons in the interests of a general offensive were described. As well as the role of strike mobile and airmobile units. Well, and all sorts of details in the form of conducting a general mobilization and providing support for the operation from the side of the strategic nuclear forces.
            After the failure of Operation Danube-2 (Plan A), a full-fledged war was to begin in a limited theater of military operations with the use of ALL available means with the aim of completely occupying the country, preventing organized mobilization and localizing armed enemy groups in operational environments with the aim of their subsequent capture or destruction.
            All this was not done in a timely manner, which led to a gradual degradation of the situation to the current level.
            So it is still a big question what would come out of a strategic offensive operation with available forces without the use of nuclear weapons, given the current level of management.
            1. ada
              +2
              25 September 2024 12: 55
              Quote: Victor Leningradets
              ...So another big question is, ...

              Greetings!
              It's not just big, it's conceptual!
              Here, you are referring to the 70s, but now there is not even a shadow of that military system of the state - there are no powerful Armed Forces, no mobilization base for them, no sufficient number of military-educational organizations, including in the civil education system, no operational equipment of territories, no adequate planning of evacuation measures, and there is not even a civil defense adequate to the threats. Here the question of the military-industrial complex and the work of the EKS according to the plans of the Internal Troops is especially important, it is likely to assume that the level of this planning is lower than required in relation to modern threats of a global conflagration. But! The most important thing is not these details, but the absence of a system for building up military capabilities due to the echeloned reservation of the Armed Forces and the military-industrial complex. Almost the entire previously existing base for mobilization deployment of the Armed Forces has been reduced to the minimum needs of the New Look Armed Forces - there is no reserve of the OVU, SIVCH SS, BHViVT according to the type of organization of formations, there are no those VC and that level of resource designation that all this provided and there are no reserves of MS in the required degree of readiness for them. Even in the existing Armed Forces there are no double or triple staffs and command positions, narrow specialists, etc. This means that there is no organizing core for a special period, and where will the level of management come from if a mobilization deployment of such a scale is not envisaged from the outset?
              I believe that such transformations are very similar to a successful strategic-level sabotage. The scary thing is that as a result there are no personnel of the required level and quantity.
      3. +9
        22 September 2024 09: 58
        As many experts write and say, we are at war with NATO, which threatens to turn into World War III. Some talk about the use of nuclear weapons against NATO countries. Why is the use of TNW against Ukrainian territory unacceptable in such conditions? Why are bridges and tunnels not destroyed by our missiles, which, according to experts, could hit even an open window? Why are there so many of them? The conclusion from the past years of the SVO is one, the weaker we hit, the more modern weapons Ukraine receives. When Ukraine or some NATO country strikes Russia with nuclear weapons, what will we do? Will we surrender so that there is no full-scale nuclear war? Or will we respond? In my opinion, in order to avoid a nuclear war, it is necessary to destroy with conventional weapons both the supplied weapons at the delivery points and the routes of their delivery, including railway junctions, etc.
        1. +10
          22 September 2024 14: 37
          How dare you attack the interests of Russian oligarchs in Ukraine? Have you forgotten that there are Putin's friends among them? Remember and pass on to others: bridges across the Dnieper, tunnels on the western borders of Ukraine, railway interchanges are also not inviolable, as are gas and oil pipelines, through which we sell these resources through the territory of Ukraine to NATO countries that are actually waging war with us.
          1. -3
            22 September 2024 17: 45
            You are right, but I think Putin himself understands perfectly well that Russia cannot lose, in case of loss his friends will of course collect money, but only to buy themselves off, they will hardly remember about their friend. Everyone will suddenly become fighters against the regime, like in 1991.
            1. 0
              26 September 2024 22: 43
              If he had understood, he would have long ago given the order to clean out Kokainisimus and his gang, but it turned out to be much more convenient to move the conventional red lines, comically scaring the West with “our response,” which no one with a brain believes in anymore.
          2. +1
            25 September 2024 08: 28
            That's exactly how they reason. The skins of the oligarchs and their desires - they don't give a damn about Ukraine or Russia. Their narrow-mindedness and venality amaze me. Where will they go from a submarine? We'll find them everywhere and ask.
        2. 0
          25 September 2024 14: 37
          It is necessary to use conventional weapons to destroy both the supplied weapons at the delivery points and the routes of their delivery, including railway junctions, etc.

          To do this, these conventional weapons must be available in the required quantity and quality.
          More than two years of the SVO have shown that we do not yet have either one.
      4. -3
        22 September 2024 11: 28
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        I believe that we need to work on Ukraine with tactical nuclear weapons now.

        And there will be no drone attacks. Fear. Fear rules the world.

        And only the Fear of being destroyed can stop this terrible war.

        First, we need to pass a law on resuming nuclear testing. Then conduct tests of tactical nuclear weapons and nuclear weapons. Adopt and publish a new doctrine for the use of nuclear weapons. Yes
        The enemy must understand that by his actions he is bringing the beginning of a nuclear war closer. Red lines do not frighten anyone. What frightens is the explosion of the Tsar Bomba.
      5. 0
        22 September 2024 11: 40
        But TNW is not possible. Do you have a plan "B" to stop this "horrible war"?
      6. +5
        22 September 2024 14: 29
        You probably live on the Kuril Islands and have no idea about radiation contamination of the area. And what kind of Fear are you writing about here? Do you want to scare? Zelensky and his gang? Well, they themselves are in well-protected bunkers, and in general they do not plan to live in Ukraine, their families have long been abroad. 2,5 years of the SVO have shown that Putin will not give the order to destroy them. They have no one and nothing to fear.
        1. 0
          25 September 2024 08: 29
          Exactly. A feudal war in which the serfs' forelocks crack.
      7. +3
        22 September 2024 18: 43
        Fear rules the world. And only the Fear of being destroyed can stop this terrible war.

        I am an adherent of the TNW strike on Ukraine. I have written so much in the comments on this subject that I can no longer think of anything new, except for repeating comments from various articles:
        As for the SVO, even if unofficially, it is time to start a war. And in war all means are good, including TNW. An air explosion of 1-2 ktn 500 meters from that dry cargo ship would clarify a lot in terms of the security of the Odessa and Danube berthing terminals. Foreigners would hardly stick their noses in there.
        I spent six months as a partisan in 1987 near the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant. I had plenty of time to study the literature on radiation, its distribution, and the opinions of military and civilian experts in this area about the most dangerous explosions and disasters involving nuclear materials. So, the most dangerous thing in terms of radioactive contamination is the explosion of a nuclear reactor. This is immediately equivalent to 1000 tactical nuclear bombs in a ground explosion. Nevertheless, the city of Kyiv, 100 km from the station, happily exists, and its population has also grown significantly. Of course, the contamination zone near the station itself remained, since the release of radioactive materials was simply gigantic, not comparable even to a ground explosion of a tactical nuclear bomb. And I am an adherent not of a ground, but of an airborne nuclear explosion of comparatively low power, in which the radiation at the site of the explosion is already minimal on the second day, and after a month it is practically non-existent.
        The difference between an air and ground explosion in terms of radioactive contamination of the area is simply gigantic. In particular, in Hiroshima, where a 15 kt bomb exploded at an altitude of 500 meters, people live and the background is normal, although it was hardly justified to live there for the first months. So, if a TNW with a capacity of 2-5 kilotons is used on the Odessa berths above the water area, then significant radioactive contamination will not occur.
        And there are also commentators who believe that conventional ammunition, due to its accuracy, can replace nuclear weapons. I don't think that the explosion of a 1-2 kt nuclear missile 300-500 m above the ground is equivalent to the explosion of a 500 kg charge of a conventional missile on the ground. The comparison is simply ridiculous. Regarding purity (radiation): The air explosion of the Tsar Bomba on Novaya Zemlya at an altitude of 4 km did not lead to significant radioactive contamination. Just a few hours later, people were working under the explosion point, assessing and measuring the consequences of the test. So it was 60 megatons, not units of kilotons.
      8. 0
        22 September 2024 19: 00
        Nobody wants to release the nuclear genie... But, pursuing a policy of escalation, they may ask for it. Therefore, it would not hurt to conduct nuclear tests of TNW, so that there are no "doubts", it is there and it works.
        What to do against UAV attacks?
        Yes, everything is as always, a comprehensive solution.
        In addition to improving the actual air defense and electronic warfare systems, work needs to be done, although this is difficult and tedious. And the responsibility is "unnecessary." After all, ammunition, for example, needs to be distributed, caponiers need to be dug in sheltered places, hidden in mine workings, etc., and this requires organizing security and defense, and it is more difficult to deliver and remove. This is not like piling up a "Cheops pyramid" on the territory of an arsenal because the storage capacity is not enough. The same can be said about storing fuel and lubricants. Well, nets, suppression, mobile ZPU for protecting enterprises.
        Of course, a lot is being done now. Hundreds of aircraft-type drones are being shot down. But we need to fight them better not only in the air, but also on the ground.
        1. +1
          25 September 2024 08: 33
          Putin is literally pushing the West and NATO towards escalation with his sitting between chairs, two-faced policy and vulgar one-off agreements. He himself convinced them that there is nothing to fear. They don't give a damn about him, but the whole country will have to clean up the mess.
      9. +1
        22 September 2024 20: 54
        "Working" with a loaf of bread on your own territory is madness.
  2. +9
    22 September 2024 06: 12
    A barbecue won't do for an airplane. An airplane, unlike a tank, is not armored. A charge with metal striking elements will still cause damage.
    As an option, stretch radio and visually opaque canvases with an area much larger than the area of ​​the aircraft parking. NATO will not see exactly where the aircraft is located, and the probability of defeat is reduced accordingly.
    1. +31
      22 September 2024 06: 47
      A. Staver, take a gun and try to shoot down a UAV flying towards the object. It's the size of a light aircraft. And no net will hold it back. I suggest first of all that we gather all these ridiculous propagandists with hunting rifles and let them shoot. Well, at least try. The war needs to be ended, not nets pulled over their heads. How to end it? Throw all the red lines down the toilet and finally get down to destroying the one and those whom we can't bring ourselves to destroy. Together with those they've drugged. And yes, let it be genocide.
      1. +6
        22 September 2024 07: 35
        IMHO - the main problem is not to shoot it down, but to detect it in time.. When you already know what and where it is flying - you will find something to shoot it down with. But to detect a low-flying plastic little pest - however, it seems that at the moment it is not so great..

        This is the direction in which we urgently need to think about something! Until we come up with something, we need to urgently mobilize the population so that every suspicious object is immediately photographed and sent via a special application where necessary along with the coordinates. As an incentive, offer money for successfully detecting the enemy. At least in threatened areas.

        It's a so-so method, of course - but when there's no fish, even a crayfish is a fish...
        1. +4
          22 September 2024 07: 47
          Quote: paul3390
          It's a so-so method, of course - but when there's no fish, even a crayfish is a fish

          A method will be found anyway. Just as it was found against the first airships, tanks and Guderian breakthroughs. It's only a matter of time...
          1. 0
            22 September 2024 09: 41
            By the way - a substitute for such an application does exist on RuStore - it's called Radar.RF... If anyone is interested - you can take a look. I don't know how functional it is - since it's a private initiative, not state software...

            https://onf.ru/radar?ysclid=m1d7naflmf228360696
        2. +2
          22 September 2024 10: 05
          . This is the direction in which we urgently need to think about something!


          To stop the raids, it is necessary to destroy the leadership and the general staff of the Ukrainians. Technical means allow it.
          1. -2
            22 September 2024 10: 53
            Quote: Podvodnik
            To stop the raids, it is necessary to destroy the leadership and general staff of the Ukrainians.

            The fact that there will be new ones in half an hour is undeniable.
            Quote: Podvodnik
            Technical means allow it.
            - judging by Budanov, they don't allow it. They tried it on him, but it didn't help...
            1. +9
              22 September 2024 11: 11
              . They used it on him - it didn't help...

              Israel succeeds, America succeeds, but Russia fails. Maybe the grenades are of the wrong type? Or is it better to talk than to move sacks?
              1. -5
                22 September 2024 11: 18
                Quote: Podvodnik
                . They used it on him - it didn't help...

                Israel succeeds, America succeeds, but Russia fails. Maybe the grenades are of the wrong type? Or is it better to talk than to move sacks?

                I repeat - new ones will be appointed in half an hour. Until the moment when the US supports the country 404 and gives money - new ones will be appointed there immediately
                1. Egg
                  +6
                  22 September 2024 18: 07
                  Quote: your1970
                  new ones will be appointed in half an hour. Until the moment when the US supports the country 404 and gives money - new ones will be appointed there immediately

                  What new ones? Destroying the leadership brings chaos and confusion, and what will they appoint? Do you know how long it takes for the new leadership to get into the swing of things? And how many things are there that even the closest deputies are not trusted with? Destroying the leadership has always been a priority.
                  1. -1
                    23 September 2024 11: 50
                    Quote: Telur
                    Do you know how long it takes for new management to get into the swing of things?

                    No one is interested in any "streams" in the leadership of country 404 - they are really controlled from the outside.
                    I have already given an example - a change of manager in emergency mode and a willing found:
                    Quote: your1970
                    Hitler was dragged to the trash can in a rug and his successor took power. Although they could have simply not gotten through - "subscriber out of network coverage" belay lol ....And the polar fox was already in the middle of Berlin....

                    I hope that in the Third Reich things were much worse for the receivers in April 1945 - you won't dispute that?
                    1. Egg
                      0
                      24 September 2024 18: 18
                      Quote: your1970
                      I hope that in the Third Reich things were much worse for the receivers in April 1945 - you won't dispute that?

                      In April 1945, everything was already practically over, nothing depended on the successors and no leadership, either from above or from the outside, could have decided or undertaken anything in that situation, there were only a few days left.
                      In Ukraine, now, the situation is different and we will have to delve into the situation, into the concluded agreements and deals, in addition, we will have to develop some new plans and events, appoint our people to posts... and all this takes time and while all this is being arranged, there will be chaos in the troops and the country, which will be to our advantage.
                      1. 0
                        25 September 2024 06: 20
                        you will have to delve into the situation, into the concluded agreements and deals, in addition, it will be necessary to develop some new plans and events, appoint our people to posts... and all this takes time and while all this is being arranged, there will be chaos in the troops and the country,
                        whoever the US says will be appointed.
                        Delve into this? And who has ever done this? Poroshenko signed the decree and 40 minutes later filed a claim with the Constitutional Court to recognize Poroshenko's decree as unconstitutional.

                        There is an institution of deputies in the army - in case of removal or death of the commander. So those who want to will be there right away
              2. +6
                22 September 2024 11: 20
                Israel and America developed science, military, and advanced developments. We, on the other hand, mostly threw dust in the eyes, parades, biathlon, a park with a huge temple... Not to mention theft. I won't be surprised if it turns out someday that the "grenade" really didn't exist.
                1. +6
                  22 September 2024 11: 40
                  We were basically just throwing dust in the eyes


                  In fact, it turns out that this is how it is. And the main focus, judging by the "Timurovskaya Team", was in a completely different direction. And judging by the scale, the team is clearly not alone.
                  It's unfortunate. The scale of the outrages and "dust" is enormous, but there are no conclusions or actions in sight. Isolated cases.
              3. 0
                25 September 2024 08: 36
                Israel is a subject of international law (an independent state with a national idea, albeit a Zionist one), and Russia is a colony. Do you still believe in the independence of Putin's regime? He is not even ruling a country, but a group of Jewish marauders.
            2. +3
              22 September 2024 14: 12
              During the Great Patriotic War, policemen were shot to teach others a lesson. In Zelensky's case, it is obvious that the Russian leadership was forbidden to touch him.
              1. -5
                22 September 2024 15: 50
                Quote: Boris Sergeev
                During the Great Patriotic War, policemen were also shot to teach others a lesson.

                - did it help? or were there others?
                Hitler was dragged to the trash can in a rug and his successor took power. Although they could have simply not gotten through - "subscriber out of network coverage" lol ....And the polar fox was already in the middle of Berlin....
                1. +5
                  23 September 2024 07: 58
                  Imagine, it helped: at least police candidates had to think twice before making a decision. Not to mention that it sent a signal to the occupiers that they were not the ones in power here.
                  1. -2
                    23 September 2024 12: 09
                    Quote: Boris Sergeev
                    Imagine, it helped: at least police candidates had to think twice before making a decision. Not to mention that it sent a signal to the occupiers that they were not the ones in power here.

                    First, read about how the Germans used collective farms.
                    And yes - why policemen/mayors/burgomasters were always present in return killed.
                    1. 0
                      23 September 2024 14: 30
                      G. Sadulayev:

                      "I can imagine the comments during the counter-terrorist operation in Chechnya:

                      "Dzhokhar Dudayev cannot be killed. He does not decide anything, he is a puppet. Instead of Dudayev they will put someone even worse. Basayev, for example."

                      "The murder of Dudayev is terrorism. We must not become terrorists ourselves."

                      "If Dudayev is attacked, peaceful Chechens may suffer. This is unacceptable."
                      1. 0
                        23 September 2024 14: 49
                        Quote: Boris Sergeev
                        Dzhokhara Dudayeva

                        And don't you think his death is extremely strange? Like missile guidance via satellite phone - something that still doesn't exist?
                        Or than got him interested in this?
                        Think ......
                        And yes, Yandarbiyev took his place immediately.
              2. 0
                22 September 2024 16: 46
                So, let's continue the logical chain. Who is the real leadership, and not the figurehead chairmen?
        3. 0
          22 September 2024 11: 23
          The system of photographing objects and sending photos from smartphones to the center has been launched for a long time. They say nothing about the results.
      2. -2
        22 September 2024 10: 36
        Maybe it's better to make peace than to commit war crimes and still not win? Well, no country with a not very powerful capital economy will win a bloc of 50 countries.
        1. +2
          22 September 2024 11: 35
          Kronos: "...maybe it's better to make peace than to commit war crimes and still not win? Well, no country with a not very powerful capital economy will win a bloc of 50 countries..."

          Dear Sir, who are you addressing?
          Reading the comments here, you involuntarily come to the thought: that those writing here are old retirees, out of their minds and living out their days in nursing homes - without their own children or grandchildren - they can fight, their own life has been lived, and then let the grass not grow!
          Due to dementia, they have forgotten the history of the US war in Vietnam or the USSR in Afghanistan.
          1. +4
            22 September 2024 12: 11
            I wonder who will offer peace to those who do not want to fight? They are offered only capitulation.
            1. +4
              22 September 2024 12: 39
              Are you personally interested in fighting and are you willing to fight?
              Well then, go ahead and sing for the assets of Russian oligarchs, just leave the cat at home.
              For some reason, the Ukrainians are blowing up warehouses with UAV debris, testing airfields, but why aren’t they hitting oil and gas production sites, large factories, nuclear power plants, and thermal power plants? Why is that?
              Why is gas/oil still being pumped to the West from Russia and other uranium goods being supplied?
              Think about this at your leisure, our warlike one.
              1. +1
                22 September 2024 13: 04
                And that's true. Take yesterday's attack on Tikhoretsk, for example. There is a "most luxurious for them" facility there. It stands untouched... Oil, it's the head of everything
              2. 0
                22 September 2024 13: 16
                Don't evade! What kind of "peace" can they offer to those who are already pumping gas through occupied Sudzha? In Leningrad's backyards such "first strikers" were dragged through the mud.
                1. +5
                  22 September 2024 13: 59
                  Boris Sergeev:"...What kind of "peace" can they offer to those who are already pumping gas through occupied Sudzha?..."

                  Yeltsin handed you, the "non-swerving ones", over to the West without asking your permission, back in 93.
                  And today there is simply a redistribution of zones of influence between capitalists. IMHO.
                  1. 0
                    22 September 2024 14: 02
                    Don’t you want to say that under the government that Chubais has already selected, nothing will change for us?
                    1. 0
                      22 September 2024 14: 08
                      I don’t know, the people have instructed the State Duma to deal with this.
          2. +2
            22 September 2024 13: 00
            Well, sort of... If we draw an analogy with the USA-Vietnam, then today's Russia-Ukraine immediately comes to mind. Or the USSR-Afghanistan. Well, you can't defeat people united by ideology and unwilling to bring their own vision of the world order. Well, except perhaps the destruction of the people. But even Hitler couldn't do that.
            1. -7
              22 September 2024 13: 52
              Name at least one country where people are united by ideology! In Europe they are already going to forcibly send out refugees who do not want to return voluntarily for mobilization.
              1. +5
                22 September 2024 14: 04
                Ukraine, no? What ideology? Yes, protecting the country from the aggressor. They lived their own lives, but we tried our best to turn the inhabitants of this territory against us. Which produced a response in the form of a language ban and the like. Something similar happened in Afghanistan. As did those same Americans in Vietnam.
                1. +2
                  22 September 2024 14: 16
                  In Ukraine, back in 2014, deputies were ready to vote for the entry of a strip of regions from Kharkov to Odessa into the Russian Federation. However, the Kremlin did not support them.

                  Isn't that where the source of the "ideological power" of Ukrainians lies?
                2. -1
                  23 September 2024 04: 51
                  I get the feeling from your comments that you are an employee of the Center for Information and Psychological Operations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. You call for genocide of Ukrainians, then you cite the arguments of the pro-Ukrainian opposition...
                  1. +1
                    23 September 2024 08: 00
                    Whose employee are you, who is involved in cheap temporary shelters: where was the call for genocide of Ukrainians heard?
                    1. 0
                      23 September 2024 09: 48
                      Boris, the comment was not addressed to you. Either there is a mistake on the site or something else. The comment was addressed to dmi.pris1
            2. +2
              22 September 2024 14: 04
              dmi.pris1:"...even Hitler couldn't do it..."

              Hitler failed to deal with the USSR, but his followers succeeded in 91-93. Through the hands of Gorby/EBN.
            3. -2
              22 September 2024 19: 09
              Well, you can't defeat people united by ideology.

              The mentality of the eastern Ukrainians, some of whom are also Russians, is similar to the Russians, so you can forget about ideology. Both peoples, to put it mildly, do not like power. Any. But that is not the main thing: After the explosion of nuclear bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Japanese immediately capitulated. Eh?
              And a long war means tens of thousands of our soldiers killed and others maimed.
        2. +1
          22 September 2024 12: 18
          Those who do not want to fight are not offered peace, but capitulation. This is exactly what you mean, but you are embarrassed to call a spade a spade.
          1. +5
            22 September 2024 12: 24
            And what do you propose, "those who want to fight"? What's the point?
            1. -2
              22 September 2024 13: 20
              All your mantras have long been known. The most important thing is that the entire Russian officialdom agrees with them and every week declared its readiness for peace talks. Only in response, it seems, the "partners" destroyed the strategic weapons base in the Tver region. So, continue: you call for peace, and every week they demolish one strategic base, do you want to guess how this will end?
              1. 0
                22 September 2024 13: 24
                For you, enemies of the USSR, everything is as always, everything is evil, irrational, there are AGAINST, but no FOR.
                What exactly do you propose? I am not capable of proposing anything like what you propose.
                1. +1
                  22 September 2024 13: 55
                  It is clear that you consider only yourself as a "friend of the USSR". Specifically, you are told that a kind word rarely protects against a pistol - a pistol is also needed for protection.
                  1. -2
                    22 September 2024 13: 56
                    The enemies of the USSR are impenetrable; in their mentality, there is nothing but an evil AGAINST.
              2. +5
                22 September 2024 14: 04
                It will end with the fact that peace will have to be concluded anyway, but the longer the military actions last, the worse it will be for Russia itself, first of all.
                1. +1
                  22 September 2024 14: 18
                  So conclude! "Brest Peace-2". Donbass and Crimea will return to their owners. Their future fate does not concern you at all? The Russian Federation will turn into a "banana republic", directly subordinate to TNCs. However, it is not a fact that it will survive at all.
                  1. +2
                    22 September 2024 21: 19
                    You are wrong about the Brest Peace. Nothing was lost irretrievably. The country was saved, in a losing situation. Over time, it was transformed into a huge victory. Everything was returned with interest and half the planet to boot.
                    To which owners will Crimea and Donbas return? This territory
                    , up to the border with the Poles, one master is Russia. This is Russian land.
                    1. +1
                      23 September 2024 08: 03
                      In Brest-Litovsk it was declared that Soviet Russia was unilaterally ceasing military actions, which did not save it from territorial losses. It was not Trotsky who restored territorial integrity, but Stalin. Do you see a figure of such scale in today's Russian Federation?
                      1. -1
                        23 September 2024 08: 09
                        Regarding the "masters" to whom Crimea was supposed to return according to Istanbul - here is fresh evidence from Schroeder: Donbass is being integrated back into Ukraine, and regarding Crimea - the "South Tyrol solution", while Ukraine only temporarily refuses to join NATO. The "South Tyrol solution" is the resettlement of Germans from Italian territory to Germany. It is the resettlement of Russian speakers from Crimea to the Russian Federation that Putin has so many times proposed to us as an ideal, but he was responded to by invading the Kursk region. Under what humiliating conditions are we being called to peace now?
                      2. -1
                        23 September 2024 08: 13
                        Contrary to some media reports, a peaceful settlement was within reach, Schröder said. A compromise had been reached, under which the eastern territories (referring to Donbass) would remain part of Ukraine. A "South Tyrolean solution" was planned for Crimea, which would have meant the creation of a Russian enclave. The package of agreements also included a temporary waiver of Ukraine's accession to NATO. 

                        "But the government of Volodymyr Zelensky was unable to make a free decision," Schroeder noted.
                      3. +2
                        23 September 2024 08: 34
                        What does Bronstein have to do with it? It was the Soviet government that made peace. And it used the respite to bring the country to a new level, not allowing it to be destroyed.
                        In the Russian Federation, figures like IVS cannot exist in principle, because a Bolshevik is impossible among oligarchs. And this system has other tasks than the interests of the state and its people. Their purse is their god.
                      4. 0
                        23 September 2024 09: 06
                        The fact remains that unilateral recognition of oneself as "the party that sat down for peace negotiations" does not prevent territorial losses and humiliation. Incidentally, the German occupation authorities then quickly began to create a puppet government in Ukraine.

                        As for a possible respite, in our conditions it will most likely be used to hold tank biathlons and build another “temple of the Armed Forces”.
                      5. +2
                        23 September 2024 09: 12
                        This fact played a positive role. The RSFSR solved its problems, which had nothing in common with the problems of the Russian Empire and its allies. What humiliation are we talking about? Expediency. Kutuzov retreated to Moscow and then surrendered it for the sake of a common victory. We do not hold this against him. Yes, they gave up part of the territory to save the state. Then they returned it.
                      6. 0
                        23 September 2024 09: 26
                        Wasn't it Lenin who called the Brest Peace "obscene"?
                      7. 0
                        23 September 2024 09: 33
                        Please also note that all the territory ceded to the RSFSR at that time - Poland, the Baltics, Western Belarus - was immediately used as a springboard for an attack on Soviet Russia or, at a minimum, as sabotage bases. The fact that some of these losses were later recouped does not change the fact that the negotiations in Brest-Litovsk were caused by the weakness of the Bolshevik government at that time, and therefore are not considered an achievement.
                      8. +1
                        23 September 2024 11: 32
                        This is caused by the lack of potential to wage a full-scale war. The Bolsheviks' power, on the contrary, turned out to be very strong. Which was shown by subsequent history. Of course, this is not an achievement, who argues, a forced measure. Which played.
                      9. +2
                        23 September 2024 09: 33
                        He did. So what? Well, he himself was one of its collegial initiators. A smart and far-sighted politician and leader.
          2. +2
            22 September 2024 21: 23
            Quote: Boris Sergeev
            capitulation

            In the long term, they will offer shame or death.
            And the choice will be from one option because shame will be followed by death, and if you choose death, then they will throw mud at you anyway.
        3. 0
          23 September 2024 04: 47
          How do you imagine this? Specifically, not in general terms, step by step?
    2. +8
      22 September 2024 07: 47
      You can't cover the whole country with polyethylene... As for me, this is a political issue first and foremost. And it's not about the Bandar-logs. After all, drones travel long distances using GPS, or using provided maps of the area. And where does all this come from? From NATO. So, they should stop providing the Ukrainian Wehrmacht with all this. How can we make them do this? Only by responding in kind... When the supposedly Houthi drones start entering Western territories and their factories and oil depots go up in flames - only then will they think about whether it's worth slowing down and reaching an agreement? Because otherwise, this one-sided football can go on forever...
      1. +9
        22 September 2024 09: 29
        Quote: paul3390
        Only by responding in kind...

        Pavel, in order to answer, “the same thing” we need to put a henpecked government in the USA, first having people’s power, and not oligarchic power.
        It’s time to understand why everything is being done according to the most unfortunate scenario for Russia.
        Military operations are divided into offensive and defensive, have specific goals and deadlines. What is happening with this strange military operation probably has no analogues in Russian history, and perhaps in the world. The whole point of this operation, as it turns out, is the "grinding" of the Slavs, the exhaustion of Russia, to the point where NATO, rearmed and mobilized, will be able to finish off the exhausted and ruined Russia.
        Our bourgeois have no homeland, their "homeland" is where their profit lies, they have long ceased to be our "elite", and even their enemies are more worthy than our traitors. With all this, depriving Russia of the Soviet missile-nuclear potential is the main task of the West and their lackeys in Russia. Having exhausted the usual potential, they will only have to accept an ultimatum to please their masters, naturally, in the name of peace, humanism and tolerance, in order to live well again in the bourgeoisie, remaining to pump blood out of Russia.
        You shouldn't believe all the claqueurs and "Devil's advocates" who work their bones off in front of the bosses for hurray-patriotism; without people's power and renewed socialism, we are unlikely to defeat the masters of capitalism, picking up their capitalism from the trash heap of our history.
    3. +1
      22 September 2024 12: 18
      Is there a shortage of concrete and construction equipment in the country? There are not that many airfields, concrete and banked hangars are not afraid of cluster munitions, let alone UAV munitions.
  3. +9
    22 September 2024 06: 15
    Simple solutions like nets and barbecues around warehouses and equipment are unfortunately not a panacea for all ills. UAVs can carry a hot mixture and have a tandem configuration or charge and many other nasty things can be invented by the enemy, whose human moral standards have been replaced by European values.
    The problem is that Russia, in pursuit of strategic air superiority, rushed to create large air defense missile systems, powerful radars and electronic warfare stations. And now we are faced with the need to equip troops and civil protection or defense units with portable radars, optoelectronic target designation systems, portable electronic warfare stations and simply basic canister guns on an automatic rotating platform.
    But the most important and scary thing for engineers is to link the entire existing and created Zoo into a single information network to avoid both "friendly fire" and "swan, crayfish and pike" situations.
    1. +5
      22 September 2024 07: 39
      I'm afraid it will be difficult to coordinate such a number of small detection tools... what And the range will be completely forgotten - you won't be able to figure out what is reflected from what when such a crowd starts working at once... what
  4. +20
    22 September 2024 06: 22
    In fact, it’s even simpler: in order to begin treating a disease, you need to acknowledge its presence.
    Our official media and representatives of the Ministry of Defense tell us in one voice - everything is being intercepted, debris is falling, and from them there are minor fires with minor detonation...

    So maybe we need to start by stopping lying left and right?
    How about trying to tell the truth?
    1. -4
      22 September 2024 11: 02
      Quote: Vladimir-TTT
      In fact, it’s even simpler: in order to begin treating a disease, you need to acknowledge its presence.
      Our official media and representatives of the Ministry of Defense tell us in one voice - everything is being intercepted, debris is falling, and from them there are minor fires with minor detonation...

      So maybe we need to start by stopping lying left and right?
      How about trying to tell the truth?

      -
      and when did they tell the truth? When in 6 weeks ALL Wehrmacht equipment was knocked out and wounded did you count it?
      “As long as the German command did not dare to publish true data on its losses, this lack of “emergency reports” of German propaganda on August 6 will be filled by the Soviet Information Bureau.
      According six weeks of war Nazi Germany lost over 1 1/2 million killed, the wounded and captured German soldiers. These enormous losses explain the fact that the Germans are increasingly throwing into battle soldiers over 45 years of age and young men aged 17 years.
      Our losses in killed, wounded and missing are about 600 thousand people.
      The German armored divisions suffered heavy losses. The Red Army More than 6 thousand German tanks were captured and destroyedOur losses are about 5 thousand tanks.
      The German artillery suffered the heaviest losses. During the six weeks of war, the Red Army captured and destroyed over 8 thousand German guns, having lost about 7 thousand guns during the same period.
      The German air force suffered particularly heavy losses. According to updated data, German losses amount to over 6.000 aircraft. Our losses in six weeks of war are about 4.000 aircraft.
      The results of the six-week war clearly show how little Hitler and his criminal clique value the lives of German soldiers: they are forcibly driven under the destructive fire of our machine guns and artillery, they are machine-gunned by their own officers during their retreat, the German command abandons tens of thousands of its wounded to the mercy of fate." (C) Sovinformburo
      1. +2
        22 September 2024 21: 32
        Does the USSR, what it was, make you feel uneasy? Itches? Talk about today's threats. And the lies of the authorities, in the era of unlimited access to information, look very unsightly. People have changed, times are different. Who are the Russian people holding their towers for?
        1. 0
          23 September 2024 12: 07
          Quote: Essex62
          Who are the Russian people holding the towers for?
          -And who did those same towers hold the people for when THEY LIED about 1,5 million killed,WOUNDED and prisoners???
          For a flock of sheep??Which does not understand that it is possible to count the prisoners, roughly estimate the number of those killed and IMPOSSIBLE count the number of wounded of the enemy??what fool you had to be in the towers to not understand that the adult population was fighting en masse and KNOWS that the wounded cannot be counted?

          Quote: Essex62
          Does the USSR, what it was, make you feel uneasy? Does it itch?
          - I don’t like it when “Everything is bad now, but back then it was paradise, manna from heaven and power with wings!!”
          Because the government is in a difficult situation - what they lied about then, what they are lying about now.
          Against the background of the above lies, Konashenkov almost feel don't lie
          1. -1
            23 September 2024 14: 21
            Comparing the Great Patriotic War of the Soviet people and the GV unleashed by the new Russian bourgeoisie is, at the very least, incorrect. Other terms come to mind, but you can't, they'll ban you. Yours have completely lost their bearings in their lies and contempt for those who feed them.
            1. 0
              23 September 2024 14: 41
              Comparing the Great Patriotic War of the Soviet people and the Civil War unleashed by the new Russian bourgeoisie is, at the very least, incorrect.
              There is an opinion that WWII is also a continuation of the Civil War. There are too many That there were Russians, Ukrainians and others on the side. And they spent too long eradicating and still couldn't eradicate Banderaism...

              Quote: Essex62
              Your people have completely lost their bearings in their lies and contempt for those who feed them.
              Are you talking about the above-mentioned Sovinformburo report?
              1. -1
                24 September 2024 09: 07
                Of course they were and they got what they deserved, traitors to their homeland and their people.
                This is about the power of parasites and bloodsuckers. Soviet power is workers' and peasants'. Flesh of the flesh of the working people.
                1. +1
                  24 September 2024 10: 47
                  Soviet power is workers' and peasants'. Flesh of the flesh of the working people.
                  Hmm ...
                  And whose working people were beating out the rights to manage all ruble proceeds and 1989/1 of the foreign currency proceeds from the sale of coal from the workers' and peasants' Soviet government in 2 with helmets???!!! Or were they not miners but damned capitalists??!!!!
                  Why did the working people take and shit on the Soviet government in 1991?
                  No one stood up to defend her - EVERYONE betrayed and sold her out.
                  Stop pushing slogans - "people's, workers' and peasants' and other blah-blah" looks stupid against the backdrop of EVERYONE's betrayal.
      2. 0
        23 September 2024 10: 05
        So, while breaking the USSR in 1991, “Those with teeth sticking out” screamed with all their might that they were “not biting”, but they themselves turned out to be even worse.
    2. -1
      22 September 2024 19: 33
      In fact, it’s even simpler: in order to begin treating a disease, you need to acknowledge its presence.

      This is true. However, the measures should be comprehensive: unloading the artillery depots from old stuff, dispersing the ammunition into smaller depots, bunding if there was none, upgrading the air defense with whatever is possible: drones, machine guns, more powerful destruction and detection systems, filling the free spaces with models, etc. That's all, just that! And it's difficult and time-consuming to do everything. So, don't have any illusions. And not all the officers in the Ministry of Defense are embezzlers and have oak mass in their heads instead of brains. The people are what the army is. I know retired officers. Normal and even better than many.
  5. +7
    22 September 2024 06: 32
    In my opinion, the very concept of "military acceptance" has been lost. This means that it is necessary to create an object much more reliable than a civilian one. But when an object designed for a nuclear strike burns from drone debris, then this is beyond all bounds. I have worked at military enterprises all my life, and I know how meticulously the inspectors check my work. This is where continuity with the past should work first and foremost.
    1. +1
      22 September 2024 06: 58
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      But when an object designed to withstand a nuclear strike burns from drone debris, then that's beyond the pale.

      This is only in our official media. But what is there in reality - it could easily be a cruise missile with a special anti-bunker warhead.
      And they don’t give a damn about the red lines or the loud statements of Maria Zakharova.
      And if there is (practically) no air defense of such an object, then the enemy can easily choose where to strike.
    2. +6
      22 September 2024 06: 58
      Yes, objects do not burn from debris. But from the destruction of these objects. And yes. It is stupid and foolish to store it just like that, in the open air. The same Tikhoretsk, fifty miles from me... You drive along the highway and wonder... How is this possible.. I am not talking about the ammunition depot, but about another object there..
      1. +1
        22 September 2024 14: 39
        "May the objects not burn from the debris."
        But judging by the reports in our media, exclusively from them!
    3. -2
      22 September 2024 12: 27
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      This is where continuity with the past should work first and foremost.

      For some reason, the only thing that works well for us is the continuity of embezzlement and sloppiness.
  6. +6
    22 September 2024 07: 03
    the easiest way to fight. finally "start". For example, "squeezing out" is a new word in military science. Or maybe the old-fashioned way, into the cauldron and that's it.
  7. +4
    22 September 2024 07: 03
    The CBO has changed a lot in the understanding of modern warfare, including the role of drones on the battlefield. Few expected itthat it is drones that will become the most formidable weapon of the 21st century.


    By this "few expected" are meant the jingoistic patriots and their superiors in the General Staff. After all, for them drones were expensive toys against the Papuans. And completely useless against a normal army.

    And developed countries invested billions of dollars in drones. For some reason, they were just waiting.
    1. -4
      22 September 2024 11: 06
      Quote: Heda
      And developed countries invested billions of dollars in drones. For some reason, they were just waiting.
      -
      it's exactly what the article says NOT developed (apparently) The US is also in shock - I didn't expect it either for some reason.
  8. +9
    22 September 2024 07: 21
    The main problem is that in modern Russia the politics of real actions has long ago largely turned into the politics of statements and declarations. There is a problem with the organizers and leaders. To blurt out something grandiose to the public, and then, without a twinge of conscience, to shift the deadlines to the right without any responsibility for this, this is the algorithm of work of many of the current locum tenens.
  9. +8
    22 September 2024 07: 22
    This article is about the news that the Tikhoretsk district of the Krasnodar region was attacked by unmanned aerial vehicles of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the night of September 20-21. The air defense repelled the attack, but after the fall of debris from one of the drones, a fire started, which led to the detonation of explosive devices and the temporary change of routes for a number of passenger trains. Tikhoretsk is an important railway junction.
    1. 0
      22 September 2024 13: 08
      People were evacuated there, even from a settlement in the neighboring Vyselkovsky district. I know what happened there and how, but I was warned not to name the settlements, although the locals know everything and how.
    2. 0
      22 September 2024 14: 46
      " but after the fall of the wreckage of one of the drones, a fire started, which led to the detonation of explosive devices "
      And what are these "explosive objects"? The described case is similar to "spontaneous detonation of hunting ammunition", as in Semenov's "Peculiarities of National Fishing".
  10. +10
    22 September 2024 07: 32
    Hunting and Anti-drone guns! The facilities are guarded. So why can't some of the guards be trained to handle such weapons? and create a mobile group in each shift that, if necessary, would move to dangerous areas and work on the UAVs that have broken through.

    That's what they did at my plant. But the result was "as always".
    We don't have security, but "controllers", mostly women over 50.
    And so we go to our shift after the last major UAV attack and see an "oil painting" from the series "the circus has left, but the clowns remain" - at the checkpoint we are met by our valiant women in Kevlar helmets and body armor and with "anti-drone" guns in their hands.
    I was also "pleased" by the instructions on how to act in the event of an air attack, which is warned about by broadcasting the command: "Attention! Unmanned danger!"
    That is, "not air raid alarm", not "air", but specifically "unmanned danger". wassat
    1. 0
      22 September 2024 07: 51
      I read a few comments. I immediately dismissed the smart guys who are really looking forward to TNW. But I found a couple of useful comments. It is clear that you can't protect yourself from everything on the last line. There will be losses. It is inevitable. But at least something needs to be done.
      And about your plant... A tick rules everything. Put a tick in the plan and well done. Once Raikin said it perfectly in one of his speeches: - You didn't tighten the nut, you didn't tighten the bolt... You need to work with the chicks and then there will be some sense. And so, just a tick in the plan
      1. +7
        22 September 2024 08: 16
        These "smart guys" discredit the world's second army, de facto, by declaring that without the use of nuclear weapons it is not capable of defeating those against whom it began military operations.
        And those who all this time have been “solving problems” by saying “let’s bomb them more”, are also not far from those “smart guys”.
        1. 0
          22 September 2024 09: 56
          Quote: tatra
          also not far removed from those "smart guys".

          Dear Irina!
          All this has happened in history before. For example, the Americans couldn't do anything in Vietnam. And they became furious and angry about it. Just look at the "Broken Jaw" plan. The eloquent name speaks for itself. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD_%C2%AB%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BC_%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8E%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%C2%BB
      2. +3
        22 September 2024 10: 51
        Author, what's next? What articles? About how to build a bunker in the Urals? About how Yekaterinburg and Omsk need to be covered by echeloned air defense? Doesn't anything seem strange to you about what's happening?
    2. +4
      22 September 2024 11: 36
      Honestly, if they gave me a helmet and a gun and told me that I now had another job description - shooting down drones, I would quit. Going to work is like playing Russian roulette - screw it.
    3. -2
      22 September 2024 14: 53
      Our "wise men" also suggested a lot. Either stick a film on the windows so that the glass doesn't shatter, or light-protective curtains, and of course, we can't do without an anti-drone gun. This is in the center of Rostov! The film and the gun are lying around in a warehouse somewhere, in general, we've mastered the means!
  11. +2
    22 September 2024 07: 40
    It won't save you from missiles, but a drone is powerless against a barbecue

    This is only if the drone is carrying a cumulative charge... And a landmine against an aircraft standing under barbecue?
  12. +5
    22 September 2024 07: 53
    Fixed roofs. Simply cover the workshop with a false roof made of mesh.

    Not just without calculating wind and snow loads.
    So why can’t we train some of the security guards to handle such weapons and create a mobile group on each shift that would, if necessary, move to dangerous areas and work on UAVs that have broken through?

    It is possible to train and create. The question is - who will notify the guards about the upcoming raid. The ravine does not have more or less long-range reconnaissance means. Only its own eyes. This means that each facility needs a local air defense with its own air surveillance and warning posts.
  13. +5
    22 September 2024 08: 05
    "I'm not afraid to say that drones have revolutionized military science," and one famous reindeer herder said: "..show me some paper kites next.." Nine years ago, a Russian scientist proposed a method for detecting UAVs using BACKSCATTERING. Now the US and China already have similar installations. And us?
    1. +1
      22 September 2024 08: 12
      Quote: Plowman
      BACKSCATTERING MLA detection method

      Do you mean corner reflectors?
  14. +2
    22 September 2024 08: 13
    Why reinvent the wheel? As far as I know, the pig-noses use a network of mobile phones to detect UAVs and mobile groups to destroy them, and also light aircraft with machine guns. Quite effective. Is it really that hard to organize?
  15. +4
    22 September 2024 08: 19
    Today, many people write that we need to remember the experience of the USSR. I am sitting here, recalling this very experience of fighting drones, and I cannot remember.

    And in the USSR there was no chewing gum, mobile phones or smartphones laughing
    However, there were schools for the air defense forces of both the country and the ground forces.
    There were air defense units of the Ground Forces, covering them on local sections of the front, Shilkas and Zu-23s, etc., etc., a deployed air defense system of the country, I remember from childhood: radars along the entire coast of Crimea. Finally, Moscow's missile defense. There were downed Americans and even one Boeing.
    But the experience of air defense during the Great Patriotic War of the USSR came in handy in the best possible way: balloons, nets, searchlights, and even twin Maxims.
    And there was also the responsibility of everyone from the bottom to the top in the country's administration: Marshal S.L. Sokolov was instantly removed from his post because of Rust's flight.
    And of course the controls weren't chilled out, relaxed...
    1. +5
      22 September 2024 08: 33
      Quote: Edward Vashchenko
      And there was also responsibility from everyone from the bottom to the top.
      That was the most important thing
    2. +3
      22 September 2024 09: 32
      Well, Eduard, not everything was wonderful in the late USSR. The same sloppiness and total nepotism. And the same generals who never leave their comfort zone. And the same "squeezing out" in Afghanistan, with an attempt to re-educate savage bandits into a "brotherly people". And the government, in words, building communism, but in reality converging on a bourgeois republic?
      It's just that back then the people saw everything and grumbled in their kitchens and smoking rooms. That's what the Western agents took advantage of. Now the people don't give a damn. The government pretends to rule, the people pretend to believe the government. And all of this is heading towards where the straw is laid for the final bonfire.
      The people were different,
      1. +1
        22 September 2024 21: 50
        The tasks in Afghanistan were somewhat different than transforming savages into brothers. The tasks were purely utilitarian - not to let NATO in, to test in real combat conditions an army and equipment that had not fought for a long time.
        The Russian Federation became a bourgeois republic after the liquidation of Soviet power in 93 and the legalization of privatization, but not earlier. This slide could have been prevented. No private property - no capitalism.
    3. +2
      22 September 2024 11: 59
      Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
      And of course the controls weren't chilled out, relaxed...

      Don't worry, everything is under control. All that's left is to set up protection against drones and we'll win right away.
  16. +5
    22 September 2024 08: 32
    So, we will live for centuries with this anti-Russia in the neighborhood and drone attacks from there? Have we already come to terms with this? Or maybe we should crush it? Not destroy it. Well, there were such examples. Romania, Finland, Bulgaria in 1944. Poland in 1939. France in 1940. Japan in 1945. Hungary in 1956.
    That is, there is no need to go through the entire country with battles, meter by meter, trenches, "porridge and a shovel", and pay for each meter with the lives of soldiers, and so go through the entire country from one border to another by "squeezing out" and trench "gnawing" for years or even centuries. This is not even the Middle Ages, this is some kind of ancient world laughing
    Are we reviving the "military science" of antiquity? Or maybe we should build the Great Wall?
    There have been other examples in history when a state, having suffered defeat in a major battle, capitulated.
    So here too, we need to find an approach, we need to defeat the Kyiv regime. Not the former Ukrainian SSR and its people. But the regime itself. Destroy it or force it to surrender.
    1. +2
      22 September 2024 14: 59
      "Or maybe we should build the Great Wall?"
      No-o-o, you can fly over the wall, a dome is better! And the edges should be deeper, so that they can't dig under!
    2. +1
      22 September 2024 17: 21
      What is needed is not a way out, but a strategic solution. A blow to such a sore spot that it will stop the enemy
      1. 0
        22 September 2024 17: 57
        There is such a direction here, it is an offensive from Belarus, to Kyiv and west of Kyiv, and further to the south and southwest.
        1. 0
          22 September 2024 22: 04
          And what will this give? Enormous losses of Russian people in the Civil War imposed on them by the bourgeoisie. Only total terror of a handful of bearers of Bandera, Ragulya ideology and their masters-occupiers, especially representatives of the Naglosak special services, on the territory of the outskirts. The earth should burn under their feet. Unacceptable losses will force them to back out. Only the desire of the Russian oligarchy to win raises great doubts.
  17. +2
    22 September 2024 08: 36
    Fuel storage facilities can be protected in the same way. Fuel tankers – in individual caponiers and under a net. That’s all!


    Not everything! A fuel truck, a tank or an airplane cannot be protected with a net. It is impossible! Unless the net is located tens of meters from the object, but this is in the realm of fantasy - too expensive and time-consuming.

    Fixed roofs. Just cover the workshop with a false roof made of mesh. "Drone debris" and "careless repairmen" will no longer be able to set fire to roofs...


    It won't work. The roofs of industrial facilities are covered with bitumen-based insulation, which burns very well. There will simply be a big fire.

    Hunting and anti-drone guns! The facilities are guarded. So why can't we train some of the security guards to handle such weapons and create a mobile group in each shift that would, if necessary, move to dangerous areas and work on UAVs that have broken through.


    It's useless! If a UAV approaches an object by tens of meters, both the guards will die and the object will be seriously damaged. UAVs should be destroyed kilometers away from fire-hazardous objects, so that even the debris does not reach them.

    The same electronic warfare systems, even ZSU-23 or machine guns on the approaches to the object.


    EW yes! What will happen to people who find themselves in the line of fire of shells and machine gun bullets? Which zones should be completely isolated? Or do your own bullets and shells not kill your own?
    1. +1
      23 September 2024 13: 12
      I don't agree with your last paragraph, to put it mildly. There is an exclusion zone around dangerous strategic objects. Anti-aircraft shells are equipped with self-destructors, and bullets should not fly beyond the zone.
      1. 0
        23 September 2024 19: 02
        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
        I don't agree with your last paragraph, to put it mildly. There is an exclusion zone around dangerous strategic objects. Anti-aircraft shells are equipped with self-destructors, and bullets should not fly beyond the zone.


        You can look at Google maps and change it with a ruler. It is unlikely to please. Perhaps individual objects of the Ministry of Defense have a sufficient exclusion zone, but not oil refineries and certainly not oil and fuel bases. The existing exclusion zones are usually oriented in accordance with the wind rose to protect the population from harmful emissions, and this is not 360 degrees, but rather an oval.
        1. -1
          23 September 2024 20: 47
          Well, be so kind as to take a look and make sure that there is an exclusion zone around the oil refinery.
          If not, give an example of an oil refinery located in a residential area.
          1. 0
            24 September 2024 00: 17
            Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
            Well, be so kind as to take a look and make sure that there is an exclusion zone around the oil refinery.
            If not, give an example of an oil refinery located in a residential area.


            Let's look at two examples: the Moscow and Volgograd refineries. It should be noted that while the situation with the Volgograd refinery is somewhat better, the Moscow refinery is completely surrounded by residential development and industrial and commercial centers. Even in the case of the Volgograd refinery, things are not so simple and easy from the southwest.
            1. -1
              24 September 2024 10: 13
              The Moscow refinery is a special case. But I don't see any housing near the Volgograd refinery. Show me where exactly.
              1. 0
                24 September 2024 12: 18
                Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                The Moscow refinery is a special case. But I don't see any housing near the Volgograd refinery. Show me where exactly.


                In order to see small settlements, you probably need to open Google Earth (preferably Pro), zoom in on the areas adjacent to the plant, within a radius of up to 10 kilometers. There are many interesting things there, which you don't pay attention to from above, but which can become a headache when it comes to action. Everything, oddly enough, is in the public domain. I'm looking at it on an 84" screen, maybe that's why I can see more potential problems, but you can, in any case, zoom in on individual pieces.
                1. -1
                  24 September 2024 12: 20
                  What other 10 km? Machine guns have a range of 1,5-2 km. The range of 30 mm cannons is limited by a self-destruct device and is no more than 4 km.
                  1. 0
                    24 September 2024 12: 30
                    Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                    What other 10 km? Machine guns have a range of 1,5-2 km. The range of 30 mm cannons is limited by a self-destruct device and is no more than 4 km.


                    I mean 10 km from the plant boundary. There are in most cases a lot of buildings behind the fence. It is necessary to take them into account, even if they are not densely scattered, as well as the private sector, farms, gas stations, etc. Again, I hope that you are not going to shoot bullets and shells, even small ones, from the plant territory.
                    1. -1
                      24 September 2024 12: 35
                      I don't think there's any need to continue the discussion any further. 10 km of emptiness around the plant can only be a dream.
                      1. 0
                        24 September 2024 12: 40
                        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                        I don't think there's any need to continue the discussion any further. 10 km of emptiness around the plant can only be a dream.


                        Agreed! We are wasting time. When you start to get interested in details, then problems arise or are revealed, sometimes unsolvable. I have encountered them.
  18. +2
    22 September 2024 08: 45
    From the simplest, but most effective

    Two pictures are worth a thousand words, maybe just a 30mm canister shot with instant opening
    .
    1. -3
      22 September 2024 11: 13
      Quote: Konnick
      From the simplest, but most effective

      Two pictures are worth a thousand words, maybe just a 30mm canister shot with instant opening
      .

      They will enter from the residential sector, using it as cover.
  19. +5
    22 September 2024 09: 29
    General Badanov once said: "The best air defense is our tanks on their airfields." We just need to start fighting for real, to drive all the scum that has dug in in Kyiv into the ground. And there is absolutely no need to use tactical nuclear weapons, it is just necessary for the government to stop repeating on all corners about the impossibility of conscripts participating in combat operations and to raise the troops on combat alert. I think that a strike by two full-fledged army groups (not battalion tactical groups), for example, on the flanks of today's "Kursk salient", with an exit to the territory of Ukraine to destroy reserves and supply routes would have simply fatal consequences for the Ukrainian military. And all the arguments about the lack of opportunities are just "noodles on the ears", covering up the true reasons why our government "does not want to win."
    1. +2
      22 September 2024 10: 13
      So our government does not welcome Kyiv's capitulation (with its signing in Kyiv). Only negotiations, in some third country.
      1. 0
        22 September 2024 10: 31
        Then this is already a betrayal, both of national interests and of those who are on the front lines today.
        1. -1
          22 September 2024 10: 59
          National interests are to do everything for the benefit of one’s country and people, but none of those who are for all this, during all this time, have proven that this will bring great benefit to Russia and its people.
          So they themselves admitted that they have no national interests in all of this.
      2. -3
        22 September 2024 12: 34
        Only the next Minsk, Istanbul, Beijing, Mogadishu agreements with the withdrawal of troops, the Marlezon ballet, Chinese ceremonies and other gestures of goodwill.
  20. +1
    22 September 2024 11: 21
    nothing.
    Against all the bad for all the good.

    You can't launder much money with shotguns
  21. 0
    22 September 2024 11: 22
    Una cosa l'abbiamo capita tutti : Putin è in curva e invece di attaccare con la potenza militare che ha, si sta difendendo dall'Ukraina giocando in difesa. Ciò non è ammissibile che non riece a fare 2 +2 la tattica di Zelenskyj è troppo limpida nel far esplodere le polveriere russe una alla volta.
  22. +2
    22 September 2024 11: 26
    Look at the map of Russia. The area and length of the borders.
    Imagine the wealth of tactical capabilities of the enemy to launch missiles from land, sea and air, with well-thought-out routes to break through borders and to facilities, across the borders of neutral states and across border junctions.
    Imagine all the dangerous objects scattered across the vast territory of Russia: nuclear power plants, spent nuclear fuel storage facilities, hazardous waste disposal sites, drinking water sources, hazardous industries.
    Imagine the entire arsenal of nuclear, chemical and bacteriological weapons. Add the possibility of uncontrolled sabotage.
    There is a suggestion that the unsystematic, chaotic attacks on civilian targets by UAVs are deliberately forcing us to tighten up our air defenses on civilian targets, removing air defense assets from other targets and directions and exposing them to future “decisive” strikes.
    It is PHYSICALLY impossible to protect all of this by limiting ourselves to defense alone. The enemy must be deterred from attacking by threatening to inflict unacceptable damage, as the USSR did.
    The USA/Great Britain - the customer, organizer, sponsor and beneficiary of this war to destroy Russia at the hands of NATO countries and Japan - are still safe and sound.
    Our nuclear doctrine is formulated in such a way that they are not in any danger in a war “by proxy”.
    As part of the “nuclear five” on January 3.01.2022, XNUMX, we gave them a commitment that we would not unleash a nuclear war.
    1. +1
      22 September 2024 13: 38
      The only thing that can keep the enemy from a crushing blow to Russia is the threat of a preemptive strike on critical US infrastructure. Everything else is a policy of appeasement, which was completely discredited in 1938-1939.
      As the saying goes: lead not into temptation, but deliver from the onion.
      1. 0
        22 September 2024 13: 48
        They are already delivering a crushing blow. The US/UK will hold the Kursk bridgehead using ALL NATO forces, for now - under the guise of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
        The goal is to seize the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant and nuclear blackmail Russia, outstripping our own threats and neutralizing them.
        The threat to critical US infrastructure will be mitigated by this move by the US and will NOT lead to their retreat and curtailment of the war.
        We need to get ahead of them with the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant and create a threat GUARANTEEDLY sufficient to force them to completely retreat and abandon the war.
        We will have to hold this threat for an indefinite period of time until the results of their retreat become irreversible.
        1. +1
          22 September 2024 13: 57
          The US defense will not checkmate us. Our success in defending the Kursk NPP is our self-satisfaction.
          The threat must be to the hegemon. A full-fledged one, otherwise instead of the Kursk NPP there will be the Leningrad NPP. From Estonia it is even closer, and there is also the Belarusian NPP, and this is generally the border with Lithuania.
          Ukraine must be finished off as soon as possible, before NATO starts a real war in Europe. But this will not be the end of the confrontation. Cutting off the Baltic pincer and unifying Korea under the leadership of Kim Jong-un may ease the situation somewhat, as paradoxical as it may sound.
          1. +1
            22 September 2024 14: 08
            For this reason, Russia needs to:
            - remove all restrictions in its nuclear Doctrine
            - withdraw from its guarantee of not unleashing a nuclear war as part of the "nuclear five" from 3.01.2022.
            - to issue an Ultimatum to the US/UK with the threat of a massive nuclear strike on their territories with the demand to stop supporting Ukraine, begin the withdrawal of US and NATO troops from Ukraine and from our borders and to accept for implementation the Proposals for security measures in Europe that we have previously put forward
            I think that after this, everything that is based on the interests of the USA/UK in this war will fall apart on its own.
            1. 0
              22 September 2024 14: 16
              Alexey!
              You are absolutely right in your assessment of the situation, but you are looking for a rational way out of it within the framework of legal and diplomatic procedures.
              The enemy does not hear you, he is blinded and deafened by his unexpected success, so only a cold shower in the form of specific ACTIONS that are sensitive to the enemy will force him to abandon his plans.
              1. +2
                22 September 2024 14: 23
                The Anglo-Saxon "deep state" is inhabited by extremely sober and rational people.
                Another thing is that the boy had already shouted many times: Red lines!!!
                In order for his scream to be at least noticed this time, a competent director's work and strong blows to the sense organs are needed.
    2. ada
      -2
      22 September 2024 14: 25
      Quote: Alexey Davydov
      ... USA/UK - customer, organizer, sponsor and beneficiary ...

      Yes, you are absolutely correct and demonstrative in placing the actors in their places, but then you use the word "war" by the hands of NATO countries - here we need to understand exactly in what temporary position we are as a country, but you do not have such information. It is unknown whether the enemy's VPR, our leadership, has such an assessment. This is the basis for the assessment, and we - readers and viewers, in general the mass of the population, do not have it. It is possible to invent it, but this is a fantasy - mass psychosis and it is eliminated by means of the government with the announcement of the corresponding situation in the country and the introduction of the corresponding planning, say, Martial Law and the Defense Plan with obvious mobilization and other measures, that is, they involve the people in the war.
      And now such preparation is underway. They do not read the doctrine, but act according to the military planning mastered by the troops and government agencies, but we must prepare for this - we need time and everyone is trying to win it for themselves. This period is the pre-war preparation of countries and it can be long, and during its duration it can periodically go beyond the planned calculation, like the SVO, but before the time of reaching the level of the required combat and mobilization readiness of the state, it is possible to start a war only in case of extreme necessity - this is the real doctrine and no one disdains it.
      1. +2
        22 September 2024 14: 41
        The theater of military operations near Kursk with the prospect of capturing the nuclear power plant and nuclear blackmail of Russia indicates that the war with Russia by the hands of NATO countries and Japan, for which the USA/Great Britain have been preparing all these years, has already BEGUN. Such theaters of military operations are not created just like that.
        The government had 23 years to prepare for it, now the time is up. Whether we are ready for it or not is no longer important. We need to stop the US/UK and force them to retreat WITH THE MEANS WE HAVE.
        Our ultra-modern strategic nuclear force is designed to remove precisely such strategic threats. There were times (when Serdyukov was reforming the army) when Putin defined the role of strategic nuclear forces for Russia in precisely this way.
        Our history confirms this position. In 1962, the USSR successfully used the threat of nuclear weapons to prevent an unpunished nuclear war.
        1. ada
          -1
          22 September 2024 16: 12
          Well, don't rush, let's put some points in order suitable for calculations.
          There is no new theater of military operations near Kursk, the territory here is common for the ETVD. Using the definitions used in military documents, then to specify the geopolitical location of the territories and events within their borders, one can use the definitions of theater of military operations within the borders of the states in conflict, including taking into account its prevalence on someone's territory - in this case, Ukrainian or Russian-Ukrainian. To consider the military infrastructure of the territory and the military-political situation, it is possible to define theater of military operations within the state borders of the country. Also in use is a specific term "central countries of Europe", which is used in relation to territories with a threat of military action based on assumptions or obtained intelligence, as well as in the legend of training events for the B/training of troops and operational training of headquarters. It fundamentally differs in position from the widespread concept of "middle Europe" or "central" and is actually located within the "intermarium" on the territories of the Eastern European countries from the former Socialist Bloc.
          The term "war" is doctrinal for us, it has a definition and its use at the state level is regulated by legislation, and in the state apparatus there is an official who has the right to directly use and apply it - the President of the Russian Federation. Our "war" is a personal expression, in reality - SVO, in general, an action to improve one's positions and a number of other things that is common for pre-war periods. Therefore, whether a war has been started against us or not, who is part of whom - we will not decide.
          The terms of being in power here are not very necessary for understanding the situation and the general situation. NATO-91 SC is generally from the late 80s, and we see its most serious military aspects being implemented only today. Why weren't they there before? What was in the way? That's the question!
          Readiness for war is the most important determining evaluation indicator for resolving the issue of war for the VPR, there is nothing more important than knowing its exact level and the time frame for achieving it, its duration, etc. Everything else has nothing to do with military affairs, it is more likely to be attributed to psychiatry.
          As for our situation as a country, I don't know it, as does the majority of the population, but I assume that we are in a pre-war period, where the exact date of the beginning of the war has not been established, and the planned events of the threatened/threatening period for us and the enemy are in constant adjustment/clarification and do not fit well into the previously allocated deadlines, are going with significant gaps in the calculated time scale, and some do not have an estimated completion at all. What does this mean? This may indicate a similar state of us and the enemy in terms of readiness for war.
          I have another personal impression from some secondary signs that the real forces that have decided on such an escalation in our international relations are not afraid of the probable damage either to themselves or to their people/territory and are ready for this sacrifice. Therefore, I consider intimidation to be a useless exercise.
          If we consider the main indicators of the planned world war, then the winner in it, provided that the main goals of the war defined in them are achieved, receives an undivided future. This is not so easily abandoned. If possible, I would try to eliminate significant groups of these figures, it seems to me a more realistic action to reduce the level of confrontation to an acceptable level than unprepared BDs.
          1. -1
            22 September 2024 16: 31
            I'll butt in on your conversation. So everything will be as you say, only under Putin. And simulate the situation if Kadyrov comes to power in the course of extraordinary events within 6 months! A young builder from Chechnya in the Caucasus, like Stalin, has his own army, Akhmat-Wagner (with the experiences of the march on Moscow and the divorce of Batka Prigozhin), Kadyrov and his team have no property in the West, especially in Britain! A Muslim, i.e. not Orthodox or Catholic, with different world views. By the way, the Chechens with the Wagners are the best oprichniks for you to cleanse the pseudo-elite of thieves and shit! Then what do you say, smart guys, Kadyrov will first bang Sarmatushka in London, if they don't piss themselves, then in Europe, then the USA or not! Oh, I think it will bang...
            1. ada
              -2
              22 September 2024 16: 44
              Comrade Stalin has had good practice, there is no one on his level in the Caucasus. No oprichnina can handle such a territory, for such a scale the overwhelming majority of the population must be involved in the matter.
              They'll bang, they'll all bang, sooner or later, but there's no other way - it's always been like this, so what's wrong now?
          2. +1
            22 September 2024 17: 58
            "...the forces that have decided on such an escalation in our international relations are not afraid of the possible damage either to themselves or to their people..."
            Answer.
            A war with NATO countries and Japan, in which NATO countries alone have a 4,5 times advantage in manpower, means GUARANTEED DEATH for Russia, especially since the Master does not feel sorry for them, just like he does for Ukraine.
            By choosing to be drawn into this war, Russia is essentially choosing guaranteed destruction and a triumphant enemy that has strengthened itself at the expense of its territory and resources.
            A nuclear standoff with the US/UK, on ​​the contrary, is advantageous to Russia in its current position, since, unlike the US, as in 1962, it has nothing to lose and can force it to retreat.
            If the enemy does not make a reasonable retreat, Russia will have to destroy it, receiving a counterattack. Evil will be weakened and deprived of the potential for development, Russia's mission in the world and before God will be fulfilled.
            So your expression "to scare" is inappropriate here.
            1. 0
              22 September 2024 22: 21
              Who will the mission be accomplished for? What is this all about?
              Good scenario, optimistic. I remember there was a rumor - Mao Libu suggested to hit the Masons. You and the Americans are done for, but there are many of us Chinese, some will survive, they will build communism. laughing
              1. +1
                22 September 2024 22: 29
                This is not a store where you can choose. This is life - you are welcome to receive everything you have earned. What you have not earned - others will receive. For optimism - to the ostriches, but even that will not last long.
                1. 0
                  22 September 2024 22: 37
                  This is life and it can be built wisely. And it worked out. We had parity with NATO (the Anglo-Saxon world) in human resources. But the damned generation wanted gum and rusty Mercedes. And they also wanted to profiteer and travel abroad and it brought us to a state where there is no choice. Only "to heaven".
                  I don't argue with your concept, everything is correct. Except for the divine mission, because I am an atheist and a Bolshevik. hi
              2. ada
                0
                22 September 2024 23: 20
                I haven't heard, but these - these can laughing
            2. ada
              0
              22 September 2024 23: 17
              Quote: Alexey Davydov
              ... So your expression "to scare" is inappropriate here.

              It is appropriate to describe what you proposed earlier.
              Understand what I am saying - you are setting everything out correctly and putting it in the right places, but when the proposal needs to be implemented directly, then you will have to go down to the actual operating mechanisms of this process - war, and some will have to be restored, renewed or remade to a working condition, and new ones will have to be introduced. Do you understand? There in the state apparatus it is not enough to simply make a decision, this apparatus must be managed to implement the management decision - this must be ensured and here it is not enough to poke a finger at a button to send a message to the server. In this form - this is "scare", nothing more.
              And if you want to propose to start a nuclear war without any preparation at all - then this is simply an attempt to carry out an unprepared MRU nuclear war, and what next? What should the country do as a whole, its Armed Forces and the rest of the state apparatus with local self-government bodies, the entire ECS, allies and bordering countries? We'll figure it out later? We won't figure it out.
              This does not happen, just as there are no fully prepared plans for the use of troops/forces/resources and other planning - everything must be brought to a real working condition, and time is the most valuable resource being extracted now and it must be used correctly and accurately within the timeframes planned by US.
              Yes, there is no god - that's for sure, but there are beliefs in them. These two positions will never converge in reality and will not become a phenomenon - this dangerous psychosomatic state is not suitable for sobriety.
              1. +2
                23 September 2024 00: 21
                What you write should have been done earlier. All this should have been ready long ago. There were two decades for this. I will not believe that the one who ineptly (criminally) squandered the time the country had is now capable of a different approach, and that the enemy will give him this time.
                I hope that the country and the people will save their future.
                1. ada
                  0
                  23 September 2024 00: 50
                  It must be ready - this is the minimum duty, after which what is needed is something that will be adequate to the current, and even better - the upcoming situation in the development of the existing situation.
                  Decades have nothing to do with it, we had a lot of groundwork for the development of even the rest of a large country, but now our situation shows that the desired result is not there, for some - it is not there yet, for others - they will never get it, and still others will sell them both for next to nothing, but for cash, and we are only now taking up our heads and not with both hands.
                  1. +1
                    23 September 2024 00: 59
                    The plans for using nuclear weapons should have remained from Soviet times. The coordinates of the targets of unacceptable damage have not changed. If they do not retreat, they will have to strike with massive strikes without preparation. Even the USSR, with all its preparation, could not have pulled out a nuclear war. It was and is chaos.
                    We have run out of time to prepare. Now is the time to act.
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                    2. 0
                      23 September 2024 16: 48
                      I read somewhere on the Internet that we disassemble nuclear warheads and sell the fillings to the US at a price of 50 dollars per kg of enriched uranium. Look how many warheads we have and what damage they cause and what area of ​​cities in Europe. I won't say anything about the US.
                      1. 0
                        23 September 2024 16: 53
                        There is no enriched uranium in warheads. There are other components. So let's consider this a rumor that humanity entertains itself with.
                      2. 0
                        23 September 2024 16: 54
                        There they somehow dilute it, in short, they add chemicals.
                    3. ada
                      0
                      24 September 2024 22: 05
                      Quote: Alexey Davydov
                      Plans for the use of nuclear weapons should have remained from Soviet times. ...

                      Listen, you are having a serious conversation - what is the point of this? Modern planning of a comprehensive nuclear strike against an enemy requires the inclusion of significant capabilities for its refinement and adjustments with high frequency and sufficient multiplicity to ensure that it is in action, but when you approach the border of war and have the opportunity to conduct planned activities, then you cannot fail to take advantage of this - this is definitely a crime against the people.
                      Quote: Alexey Davydov
                      Even the USSR, with all its preparation, could not have pulled out a nuclear war. It was and is chaos. ...

                      This is not true in terms of the estimates that existed before, and chaos was taken into account. How this could have been in reality, then, is now even more difficult to say, but no one was going to give up then.
                      As for the "ended" time - I don't think that's true, and there's nothing to "calculate" it for precise dating of relatively major events yet, but when massive weapon strikes begin at a significant depth of troop formations and the main KVOs, in particular VPR - then, yes, it can be taken as the beginning of the first military period and the first strategic operations of the war. It will be hard to miss, but without the initial ones - these are just assumptions.
                      Well, but I want to note that I like what you write, this topic requires placement on the “front pages” and constantly, and you help to excite the people.
                      1. 0
                        24 September 2024 23: 03
                        Soviet plans, because, under certain conditions, they are the only reliable documentation that can be relied upon now.
                        Time is up - because a bridgehead has already been created near Kursk, to which any forces can be pumped through Ukraine from NATO. I assume that our capabilities are more modest (especially with the Donetsk direction "victorious" for us). In these conditions, the capture of the NPP can be a matter of several days.
                        Nuclear blackmail of Russia by the USA/UK will fundamentally change the whole situation with the PREPARATION of pressure on them with the help of our nuclear weapons.
                        So, I still think that time is up.
                      2. +1
                        24 September 2024 23: 35
                        In general, the Kursk NPP is not the only potential object for blackmailing Russia. The initiative is still with the enemy, and he may ALREADY be ready to "hit us from all sides", not giving us time to come to our senses.
                        We need to have a strategy of raising the stakes to the limit and seizing the initiative in ANY of his actions. Firmness and determination to carry out this strategy to the end. "Outlast" him.
                2. +1
                  23 September 2024 02: 53
                  The people have no leverage to save their future without looking back at the government. The government does not believe that the future needs saving at all, everything is going according to plan. Are you suggesting demolishing it?
                  1. +1
                    23 September 2024 11: 03
                    The life and death line on which the country finds itself should lead to natural changes in power and in the people, as has always happened in Russia. Now EVERYONE should think about how to save the country. To overthrow the government is to put the cart before the horse.
                    1. 0
                      24 September 2024 23: 41
                      Quote: Alexey Davydov
                      Now EVERYONE should think about how to save the country. To overthrow the government is to put the cart before the horse.

                      Well, it seems that some people learned nothing from February 1917. I have an extremely negative attitude towards Nicholas II, but what happened then was a crime against the country.
                      1. 0
                        24 September 2024 23: 57
                        It seems that the subsequent GREAT 73 years also taught us nothing.
                        In particular, that the subsequent beheading by the enemy should not be considered a “correction of her mistakes.”
                  2. +1
                    23 September 2024 16: 34
                    It is time for us to acknowledge the obvious fact that Russia is in a deep, mortally dangerous crisis.
                    During Yeltsin’s 10 years, the US/Great Britain created a system of power in Russia that was subordinate to them, resistant to changes in heads of state, a “vertical” of governance dependent on them, and big business tied to them.
                    This allowed them to turn Russia, as well as Ukraine, into their geopolitical instrument, to ignite a war between them in Europe, to tie Russia's hands by destroying the former fraternal nation, and to prepare a war with the participation of NATO countries and Japan with the aim of destroying Russia with conventional weapons by forces of their slaves that are more than 4,5 times superior. Thus, the "vertical" uncontrolled by the people brought the country, which possesses nuclear weapons, to the brink of destruction in 23 years.
                    The Western-style multi-party system, created as an “imitation of democracy” that does not interfere with the “vertical,” has remained so. The people are practically not included in the control circuit. The control system without popular participation and control is left to itself, corruption, formalism, indifference to the country and the interests of the business flourish in it. Instead of an instrument for exiting the crisis and developing, it has become an obstacle on its path.
                    Her work is accompanied by a deep discontent, misunderstanding and impotence of the people.
                    This is a crisis of governance of the country and the political system.
                    The capitalist system created a more or less comfortable environment in Russia. However, in accordance with its uncontrollable nature, it minimized the financing of the country's vital activities, including science, education, health care and defense. This minimization of expenses based on an abstract optimistic life scenario, in the conditions of an aggressive capitalist environment, led to the country's unpreparedness for survival in the conditions of crisis and war, which was being prepared before our eyes, to the inability to defend its life with conventional weapons. The country now has to rely on the use of its strategic nuclear forces.
                    The complete absence of centralized strategic planning and scientific management of the economy, the independence of the country's Central Bank, leads to the inaccessibility for us of a controlled exit from the crisis and the transition to a mobilization economy of the country in war conditions, which also calls into question its survival.
                    The comfortable environment has thus turned into a “Potemkin village,” hiding from the population the entire abyss of problems that the country actually faces.
                    This is a crisis of the economic system, even with some formal favorable indicators.
                    Russian society, in the absence of an ideology adequate to the interests of the country, is based mainly on the quantity and quality of consumption, is deprived of moral and ethical guidelines and is disunited. The war with Ukraine is a controversial unifying factor against the background of impunity and immunity of the master of this war - the USA/Great Britain, which is "concurrently" the master of the war to destroy Russia (after all, everyone sees and understands this).
                    The problems within the army are a reflection of all the above-mentioned problems of the country and society, which prevents it from fully performing its functions.
                    The crisis in the army is thus inextricably linked to the crisis in the country and society. This does not allow us to treat the army as an “oasis” of health that can be relied upon to save the country.
                    The key and solution to all problems is the introduction of the people as a ubiquitous and obligatory element in the contour of the country's governance. This can be done by replacing the dead multi-party system with a new single mass people's ruling party, open to the broad masses of the population and making it an OBLIGATORY link in the management and control of all aspects of the country's life.
                    The return of the ideology and goal of building a just society will allow Russia to become not a fellow traveler, but a friend for China and other countries and claim their friendly assistance in reforming the system of power and the economy, in a joint confrontation with the geopolitical system of the Anglo-Saxons.
                    This will be the beginning of the restoration of the world socialist system and the CMEA, to which there is no alternative.
                    It's already obvious.
  23. 0
    22 September 2024 11: 29
    A year or two is too fast for the current situation.
    dominant system in the Russian Federation. Almost 10 years have passed since the first alarm signal that the army needs to be increased, not endlessly reduced.
    1. +2
      22 September 2024 11: 54
      Or maybe we just need to stop creating enemies for our country in the world and start pursuing positive geopolitics for our country?
      You have to be really clever to create, out of thin air, worse relations with the West for your country than the relations between the USSR and the West were during the Cold War.
      1. -1
        22 September 2024 17: 06
        good good That's exactly it, and nothing else. We need to take care of our country, our image. And not lecture our neighbors, including with a club. The answer will come. Which is what we see.
        1. +1
          22 September 2024 22: 28
          Where is the response to the Anglo-Saxon world? There is none. They have been doing exactly what you are trying to dissuade them from doing their entire history. And everything works out. They even managed to destroy a super empire with flower petals. Everything is fine only with those who are feared. That is the basis of the "image"
      2. +1
        22 September 2024 22: 50
        Dear Irina, the current relations arose because Russia cannot conduct geopolitics within their system. It is crushed by global capitalism. National capitalism, in confrontation with others of the same kind, is in the distant past. Modern Russia does not have such opportunities. Solid red lines and puffing up of cheeks, for the electorate. The new Russian capitalist is a very practical subject and knows his own hearth.
      3. +1
        24 September 2024 23: 47
        Quote: tatra
        You have to be really clever to create, out of thin air, worse relations with the West for your country than the relations between the USSR and the West were during the Cold War.

        Was it us who brought our military bases closer to their borders? Was it us who told the West how to live and what values ​​it should have? am
  24. +1
    22 September 2024 11: 55
    Given the wingspan of these UAVs, the logical solution is to stretch a large-mesh net (to reduce wind load and cost) made of steel cables around all critical structures. The same primary processing units at oil refineries.
    Regarding the warehouses - it's completely unbelievable. Ammunition was stored in some places in the open air. This was visible on satellite images.
    No nets, nothing. Looks like a deliberate betrayal somewhere at the top.
    1. 0
      22 September 2024 12: 01
      Only the lazy have not written about mobile groups. About stationary detectors too. As well as about a single system with display and supposed vector of movement of all detected objects (nowadays chats in Telegram are monitored for these purposes).
      There are still no caponiers. No one is involved in the embankment of fuel and lubricants tanks (judging by the duration of the fire in the Rostov region).
      Protective networks are rare.
      This is how we live. Soon it will be three years of war. Many questions, few answers.
  25. +1
    22 September 2024 12: 19
    There is no need to protect any objects, we need to end the conflict with Ukraine. And this can be done by blowing up, for example, Poseidon off the coast of Britain))
    1. -2
      22 September 2024 13: 20
      So that at least some benefit could be gained from this channelless place - at the bottom above the Channel Tunnel.
  26. +1
    22 September 2024 13: 22
    Fuel trucks at airfields? What was the author smoking?
    This is called TZ. And the main fuel in aviation is kerosene of the TS-1, RT and international Jet A brands.
    1. ada
      0
      22 September 2024 16: 27
      Don't offend the "pianist", he threw us some dominoes again - to chew on here wassat
  27. +2
    22 September 2024 13: 28
    Yesterday, extraordinary measures were needed, such as the creation of equipped mobile groups to combat this threat. And here the question is not only of the Ministry of Defense, but of the effectiveness of the state management system itself. The inertia of the entire state system, including of course the army component, in relation to the most pressing threats, even 10 years after Crimea, when it was necessary to begin in earnest, is alarming.
  28. +2
    22 September 2024 13: 29
    I've been saying for a long time that radars on balloons would solve this problem. But who will listen to me?
    1. 0
      22 September 2024 14: 04
      Yes, why, we hear, but where to get them. And they took them, without anti-aircraft towers on the objects it is a half measure. And on the towers you need 100-130-mm anti-aircraft guns and crews for them. In short, the Third Reich 80 years ago.
      We don’t have time to build a full-scale air defense system; all that’s left is a blitzkrieg in Ukraine in a real war and subsequent operations.
      1. 0
        23 September 2024 12: 37
        These drones are slow, any helicopter can catch up with them. So the key here is to simply detect them, preferably close to the front. Raise the air force and destroy them in batches, because they are actually very easy targets. The problem is that they are not seen.
    2. 0
      24 September 2024 23: 49
      Quote from: newtc7
      But who will listen to me?)

      The enemy, it seems, has already started using such things.
  29. 0
    22 September 2024 14: 52
    How many empty words!!!
  30. +1
    22 September 2024 14: 54
    Firstly, from the very beginning of the SVO against Ukraine there were no proportional responses to the defeats “crossing red lines” by the collective enemy. Starting with the destruction of the cruiser Moskva, two days after Johnson’s arrival, continuing with the destruction of the Nord Stream, and other crossings. The enemy continues decisive actions to increase damage to the Russian Federation, not fearing any response at all! There will be no nuclear strike on Britain under this government, at least 70% of them ALL and their Oligarchs are in Britain. The PARTY is them - the oligarchs, and THEY are not united with the people! To solve the problem with slow-moving kamikaze drones, you don’t have to be a Nobel laureate, give me 10 days and I will close the skies over the entire country of the Russian Federation from them! By the way, this is exactly what Belousov should have been doing first and foremost, as well as Arched concrete shelters with normal armored hydraulic gates for aircraft, and many other things that the Russian Defense Ministry screwed up under Shoigu. But I am sure that it is the CIA, through its agents in the Russian Defense Ministry, “saboteur generals,” that is preventing these priority topics from being closed, just as they have been sabotaging the development of UMPK kits and thousands of other topics in the development of the military-industrial complex for 20 years. Therefore, as the Ukrainians say, “Holey Rashka is a city in Serbia,” everything flies in and lands where it needs to, and the CIA just rubs its hands!
    1. +1
      23 September 2024 13: 08
      By the way, it is quite possible that sabotage is carried out by hidden agents. So the problem is not that complicated in technical terms. Or maybe there are stupid people among us
  31. +1
    22 September 2024 15: 07
    Residents of three settlements in the Vladimir region were evacuated due to an alarm
    08:53 22 September

    A danger signal was received on September 21 in the Kirzhach district. This was reported by the local administration. Due to the threat, the nature of which was not specified by the official source, residents of three settlements were evacuated. These are the settlements of Barsovo and Mirny, as well as the settlement of Dubki.

    It seems they were expecting an attack similar to the one carried out by Ukrainian drones in Toropets near Tver...
    Instead of organizing enhanced air defense over "special defense facilities" it is easier for officials to transport people there and back by bus...
    But they don’t take into account that drones can also hit a column of buses with citizens, because no one protects them from drones either...
  32. +1
    22 September 2024 17: 13
    If deputies and officials' salaries are reduced (and benefits are removed), well... at least to 100 thousand, at least for a year, then it will be enough to create an air defense facility for important objects throughout the country. I'm not talking about air defense systems, electronic warfare, canopies and barbecues, more than enough
    1. +1
      23 September 2024 13: 09
      And if Moscow stops laying tiles and curbs every year in the same places, we can save up for 40-50 drone planes) but we have what we have
  33. +1
    22 September 2024 17: 16
    As soon as the SVO began, it was necessary to establish order in the airspace of the country. Up to, pardon me, to the point of accounting for every flying crow. Introduce categorical mandatory identification of flying objects and use, wherever possible, legal small aircraft (training, civil, departmental, private...) to combat detected UFOs. Since the air defense system was reduced in some regions and around strategic facilities, at first it was not a big deal to organize local and departmental airborne warning systems around the facilities, sometimes by volunteers, sometimes voluntarily-compulsorily, united into a single information and warning system. What and how to shoot down detected UAVs can be thought up, but it is necessary to start with a clear organization of ensuring safety in the air and from the air, and somewhere on the water, and from the water. This was not done, completely out of concept.
    1. BAI
      0
      22 September 2024 17: 40
      Right down to, pardon me, taking into account every flying crow.

      what kind of accounting? all drones were immediately banned. Any drone in the air is an enemy
  34. BAI
    +3
    22 September 2024 17: 38
    Here the hohols have organized a continuous system of acoustic detection of drones (what the hell is the auto-replacement of drone with shotgun?) and immediately determine both the threat and the direction of attack.
    and here they don't even try
  35. 0
    22 September 2024 18: 22
    In general, I think that it is not worth investing in expensive anti-drone defense projects today. I just remembered the old confrontation that has lasted for centuries: the confrontation between projectiles and armor.

    Ok, author, so please suggest protection against low-visibility guided bombs that fly along lowlands and are not visible to radars
    1. +1
      23 September 2024 01: 16
      Please excuse me for interfering. For example, I believed and believe that for low-altitude target direction finding, the acoustic method is much more effective than the electromagnetic method (radar). Electromagnetic waves are sharply damped near the surface and vegetation. All attempts at technical efforts in electromagnetic location of low-altitude targets only lead to a large increase in the cost of equipment and a penny result. Near-field acoustic detection devices (10-20 km) are much more sensitive for detecting drones even at tree height. And in terms of equipment cost, it is an order of magnitude cheaper than electromagnetic. I even wrote on similar topics more than once several years ago, even to the Advanced Research Foundation:
      https://fpi.gov.ru/partnership/add-project/
    2. 0
      23 September 2024 15: 23
      There are no such things. A bomb is not a rocket.
  36. +1
    23 September 2024 00: 41
    In the second half of the seventies, a large article about unmanned aircraft was published in the magazine "Foreign Military Review". Already in it, the authors claimed the prospects of robots and drones in future operations. Then it was said (almost a quote): "For example, a certain Tom Jones, sitting in an office on Capitol Hill, will control a combat drone somewhere in the Red Sea" ... Now we can only regret that we did not find people capable of acting for the future. After all, even then, in the seventies, I myself read an article by some expert from the USSR Academy of Sciences, who claimed that full automation of factory conveyors in the USSR had no prospects due to their high cost. This article appeared in response to the launch in Japan of the world's first fully robotic automobile assembly line.
  37. 0
    23 September 2024 07: 11
    It seems that we have a crisis in decision-making in public administration. But my former boss used to say, "with a soft male genital organ, there will be no order either in the family or at work." And he also expressed himself this way - "if a manager does not know what to do, then he begins to create commissions and hold meetings."
  38. 0
    23 September 2024 11: 20
    "We need to protect facilities from drone attacks now, not in a year or two..." A wise suggestion from Mr. Staver... But! There is a "small" "but"... It is difficult, at one go, in "one, two, three" to restore what was created over decades, and was destroyed instantly, according to the "wants" of thieving liberal democrats and other crooks in the power structures... And the "new" Russia was busy with something completely different, in the "embrace" of new "European values, European principles", the main one of which was the principle of "earning" money, a lot of money, by any means, otherwise, you, a "loser" and "rolling penniless".... All other principles: communist, socialist, moral - human, simply Christian - ethical, were forgotten... So everything and everyone was sold out, stolen, including state secrets, objects, products... "Wise" decisions were made to please the new overseas "partners" and, first of all, in matters of defense... And all THIS, was happening against the background of monstrous destruction education, culture... Ideology as such was declared a "chimera" unworthy of the "new" Russia, which was "rushing" to capitalism, "overtaking its own squeal..." And now we have what we have... True, the Supreme, during his years of rule, managed to restore some things, despite the monstrous opposition and outright sabotage of the "fifth column", but a lot was destroyed and stolen, including in the depths of the RF Ministry of Defense... And you can't put a fighter at every lamppost with a hunting rifle.... We need a system that includes ECHELONIZED CONTROL of the radar field of Central Russia, specialized radars viewing small-format objects against the background of the earth's surface, in the form of "curtains" (airships + radars), the creation of mobile units to protect "drone-dangerous areas", the creation of mobile structures of electronic warfare - the protection of residential and industrial facilities, toughening the responsibility for carrying out terrorist acts on the territory of the Russian Federation... For some things you need a lot of money, trusted and loyal employees - performers, and for some things - political will... And, of course, you need time... To us, the SVO seemed like a matter of a couple of weeks, with the final parade on Kreshchatik, Kyiv... But the SVO has already "passed" 900 days....
  39. 0
    23 September 2024 15: 22
    No effort is visible. At the very least, the 12,5 and 23mm tracks are not visible; there should be posts with anti-aircraft guns.
  40. +1
    23 September 2024 16: 09
    A barbecue won't protect an airplane from a drone - it's not a tank, the aluminum fuselage and wings will be cut through by shrapnel((

    I agree with the rest - we are taking a long time to "warm up", the Ukrainians are really fighting with the mobilization of the entire zombified population - we are drawing "red lines" that no one cares about there

    and a lot can be done right now quickly and with small forces - groups to combat light targets with machine guns on pickups and jeeps, acoustic monitoring of the sky near critical infrastructure and military facilities, aerostat systems with locators, and much more... the "Shilkas" with a 4-barrel machine gun mount in storage probably cost more than a thousand, digging caponiers with embankments is also not particularly long and expensive

    Why not set up the assembly of UAV-quadcopters in any "garage"? You need components and hands from the right place, nothing super complicated. And they can be flashed for specific tasks right on the LBS in the end...
  41. 0
    23 September 2024 16: 42
    There is no need to store it in the open air. Go to Google Maps, find this city and the warehouse will be in full view, and what and how is stored there. ANYONE can see it. For those who are too lazy to look, I will say that stacks of green boxes along the railway and something long are visible. Now, as I understand it, after the bombing, none of this is there, everything was destroyed. Who is to blame? Of course, the Ukrainians have reconnaissance satellites for the entire West, but I do not have these satellites and I saw it on simple Google images.
  42. 0
    23 September 2024 19: 22
    I don't see a problem - to solve it, it is enough to introduce personal responsibility of the air defense commander of a specific area for the safety of this area - in other words - if a drone crosses the air defense zone that is subordinate to you, lean the culprit against the nearest wall
  43. +1
    25 September 2024 09: 10
    Frankly speaking, I am not at all sure that the problem will be solved. Why? Because it is not being solved. And why solve it if those at the top are about to make peace. Well, it is being postponed from time to time, so what? Everything is fine with the air defense in Rublyovka and Novo-Ogaryovo.
  44. 0
    25 September 2024 14: 48
    . A banal set of cliches and Manilov-like reasoning.
  45. 0
    25 September 2024 21: 53
    The enemy's massive use of drones can only be combated in a comprehensive manner, using the entire spectrum of weapons. Detecting drone launch points, their production, and drone transportation systems to the launch site would provide the best results. The conclusion follows: reconnaissance, reconnaissance, and reconnaissance are needed.
  46. 0
    28 September 2024 20: 42
    It's been three years since everyone started talking about this problem, a bunch of oil depots have already been burned down, and now pay attention, the State Duma will only now, at the end of September, discuss this problem, read the agenda of the meeting... This is just some kind of nightmare, a clown show.