"Compact submarine for precision strikes: Western press evaluates Amur-950 project"

The Russian Rubin Design Bureau continues its attempts to promote the Amur-950 submarine project on the world market.

By now, this submarine has been significantly redesigned and now includes a vertical launch system that allows it to launch missiles from an underwater position. missile salvo at targets on the sea surface or on the shore

- says the publication Defensa.

As stated, the hull and equipment such as the sonar have been optimized to provide stealth and the ability to conduct surveillance and reconnaissance without attracting the attention of potential adversaries.

Autonomy is 30 days, allowing to operate at a distance of up to 1000 miles from bases or supply points. Speed ​​is 20 knots. The crew consists of only 19 people. Armament is represented by four 533-mm torpedo tubes and 10 VPU.

A small ship with a displacement of about 1000 tons has great combat potential due to the VPU, located behind the conning tower. This compact submarine is capable of delivering pinpoint and precise strikes

- is assessed in the Western press.

According to the author, Russia is one of four countries in the world that have managed to create submarines with VPU:

Using this technology requires special expertise, as the containers that house the missiles must withstand enormous pressure when submerged to depths of several hundred meters.

Comments

[Romanenko]

Compact submarine for precision strikes

Will they make something like this for our fleet? Or did they just draw it to tell the enemy what they would like to see?

[dzvero]

"Amur" is an export version of "Lada" (not that one, but project 677). Why build a cut-down submarine for yourself? Although, without VPU it is quite suitable for OVR in addition to boats and corvettes.

[Per se.]

Quote: dzvero

Why build a cut-down submarine for yourself?

Why occupy the shipyards of a "cut" for someone else, we don't have an excess of qualified labor force to waste them. What are the priorities here, our own fleet and army, or, under our oligarchs, "for a golden piggy bank, we'll sell our own mother"?

[dzvero]

If the shipyards are fully loaded, then yes, there is no point. But if government orders are a piece of cake and that's it, then why not work for someone else? Profit is profit, but the workers also need to be paid, otherwise they will run away. And the design bureau workers are not idle either. Perhaps some of the developments/solutions for the "cut-down version" will migrate to future submarines.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

I would like to understand what is the difference between VPU and conventional missile silos on submarines? I was always sure that the problem is not in creating a strong silo on a submarine, but the missile itself, which can launch from a depth of 40-50 meters. I just served my conscription on a missile submarine of the 629A project, with a modernized complex for underwater launch and I remember all the difficulties and technical solutions to this problem. But on this project, the missile engine was launched directly in a flooded open silo, and not like on the Sineva or Bulava now, where the missile is pushed to the surface by a special powder charge in a separate container (PAD). And only on the surface does the engine start, and the PAD in the form of a barrel flies away from the missile.

[Peter1First]

And what, someone said that his own uncle filled that shipyard with orders? Besides, almost all potential friends of Russia are maritime countries, including S Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Syria, ...North Yemen

[URAL72]

By selling weapons, we also sell our own influence. Weapons require consumables - spare parts, software, maintenance training, complex systems, such as aircraft, for example, - weapons.

[Romario_Argo]

I would say that for the Russian Navy, on the contrary, more advanced weapons and without the UVP like the Amur-950 project
because it will not be possible to return the radar buoy to the UVP, and a salvo of anti-ship missiles or SAMs will unmask the diesel-electric submarine
Only when using torpedo tubes can the radar buoy be pulled back into the TPK, the cable reel is up to 60 km long
and accordingly, the launch of the 9M96 SAM at an ASW aircraft or ASW helicopter is carried out from a surfaced TPK without unmasking our diesel-electric submarine, the length of the cable in the reel is also up to 60 km

[alexmach]

"Amur" is an export version of "Lada" (not that one, but project 677)

Oh, come on. The Lada has more than twice the displacement. It's a completely different boat.

Why build a cut-down submarine for yourself?

For work in shallow waters? In the Baltic, for example?

[Sergey39]

The Amur class submarines are a project of Russian non-nuclear submarines of the fourth generation. They are positioned as an export version of the Project 677 Lada submarine.
"Amurs" are offered for export in various versions with a displacement of up to 2000 tons.

[alexmach]

Yes Yes.
And from the same pedevik where your quote comes from
Amur-950 - mentioned in the article
Displacement
(surface / underwater), t: 950 / 1300
Exactly half of the Lada.
A completely different boat.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

"Amur" is an export version of "Lada" (not that one, but project 677).

Lada Kalibr can only launch through torpedo tubes, while Amur can launch all 10 missiles in one salvo from a vertical launcher VPU.

The Amur is very interesting in terms of destroying coastal infrastructure and objects deep in the enemy’s defenses.

Despite the fact that Amur is 2 times smaller (less noticeable) than Lada.

[dzvero]

Here everything depends on the Navy's interest in such a submarine. But even if there is interest, then Amur will only serve as a starting point, because it is necessary to replace the "cut"/imported filling with a full-fledged one.
By the way, it would be nice to read the opinion of Timokhin, Klimov, Andrey from Chelyabinsk or two or three other forum members I respect on the topic, but they are not visible.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

"Russian Design Bureau "Rubin" continues to try to advance on the world market the submarine project "Amur-950" -
"The submarine has been significantly redesigned and now includes a vertical launch system that allows it to launch from an underwater position fire a missile salvo at targets on the sea surface or on the shore"-

- We need to demonstrate application, for example, in the waters of Odessa, you look market promotion it will go faster...

[Uncle lee]

when diving to a depth of several hundred meters.

Deep...

[Dutchman Michel]

— We need to demonstrate the application, for example in the Odessa water area, and you’ll see that market promotion will go faster...

Yes, yes, advertising is the engine of trade.

[Zhan]

The crew consists of only 19 people.

What level of automation is there on the boat?

[I dare to_notice_]

The Russian Rubin Design Bureau continues its attempts to promote the Amur-950 submarine project on the world market.
The war is in full swing, and they are getting ready to go to the market!..

[Per se.]

So, the lords are "fighting", and the serfs' forelocks are cracking. Capitalism...

[svp67]

According to the author, Russia is one of four countries in the world that have managed to create submarines with VPU

This is all well and good, but without a system that allows it to stay underwater for a long time without surfacing, all this is of little value, effectively making this submarine almost disposable, since its area of ​​operation is coastal waters, and there it will be very difficult to stay on the surface and go unnoticed.

[by land]

Does it have an air-independent propulsion system?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: overland

Does it have an air-independent propulsion system?

Evil tongues say that the AIP is ready and tested based on a single engine - a closed-cycle gas turbine (!), and new high-capacity ABs are also available...
But it's not a waste of time: Everything for the victory over the Svidomites! In general, I have the impression that the Navy will be remembered when a Norwegian A26 appears in the middle of the Neva during the next main military parade!!!

[Boa kaa]

Everything is fine in the article. Only after the "author's" statement that

containers, which house the missiles, must withstand enormous pressures when diving to a depth of several hundred meters.

says that the author is "not Copenhagen" in matters of the design of the Amur-type RPL. The whole point is that the VPU "pipes" for Kalibrs/Tsirkons and other winged brethren are located INSIDE the submarine's strong hull. On top is an equally strong PK cover. The launch is from a depth of 40-50 m, and this is 4-5 atm, well, not very stressful. But the hull of a cruiser/brigade emerging from under the water must withstand at least 6 atm. (so that it does not crush you if you fall out of the launch corridor due to the fault of the boatswain or the "bilge". Although, the latter units have an automatic system for filling the replacement...)
So, again the "literary people" from journalism have blown bubbles... It happens.

[nikolai55soot]

I have long been suggesting that when leaving a base, a submarine should take a convoy - a caravan of diesel-electric submarines that are connected by armored cable, air and other means (the main thing is that a diesel-electric submarine is a ram, quietly destroying everything in its path - submarines and enemy surface ships), and who will find out about this, no one, they will sit at their bases and not stick their noses out...

[Boris Ibragimov]

Drawing is the thing we like to do most in the navy, we've had all sorts of incredible projects. But the budget is not unlimited, we had enough guard ships, which had to be equipped with S1 armor.

[storm]

We have practically no submarine fleet in the Baltic Fleet, only one ancient as a mammoth submarine Halibut of 1, and submarines undergoing tests being built for the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet. The small-sized Amur-1986 is best suited for the shallow Baltic. Small and quiet, they could become the main striking force of the Baltic Fleet, especially in the conditions of aggravated relations with NATO.
Ideally, two submarine brigades of 6 units each should be deployed in Kaliningrad and Kronstadt, and Batika will be under the complete control of Russia.

[sgrabik]

Why is this boat being offered specifically for export, and aren’t our Navy interested and in need of such systems???