Western Weapons Strikes on Russian Territory: "Okroshka Kiev Style" or "Iranian Retaliation"

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Western Weapons Strikes on Russian Territory: "Okroshka Kiev Style" or "Iranian Retaliation"


On the path of escalation


One of the most discussed topics of recent times has been the possibility of Ukraine receiving permission from Western countries to launch strikes with high-precision cruise missiles (KR) and operational-tactical missiles (OTM) supplied by them on the old territory of Russia.



In many ways, this permission is a disingenuous act, since the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) have long been carrying out strikes on old Russian territory without any restrictions using American HIMARS guided missiles. Also, the AFU and the Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR) of Ukraine carry out strikes hundreds and even thousands of kilometers deep into Russian territory using unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) - kamikazes, using information received from NATO intelligence structures.

However, permission to launch strikes by Western cruise missiles and tactical missiles is something completely different.

First of all, the flight time is important here - if long-range kamikaze UAVs fly at a speed of about 150-200 kilometers per hour, then cruise missiles like Storm Shadow and JASSM fly at a speed of 800-900 kilometers per hour, and operational-missile defense systems like ATACMs fly at a speed of about 600 meters per second - over 2 kilometers per hour. This means that the air defense forces (Defense) The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (AF RF) will have significantly less time to prepare and repel the attack.


Launch of a JASSM cruise missile from an F-16 fighter jet

In addition, upon receiving information about a raid by Ukrainian kamikaze UAVs, the Russian Armed Forces promptly move and relocate mobile potential targets, such as aircraft and helicopters at air bases, launchers of Iskander operational-tactical missile systems (OTRK) and other similar objects; in the case of the use of Western cruise missiles and operational-tactical missiles, this will be much more difficult to do, and in some cases completely impossible due to lack of time.

Another significant factor is the weight of the warhead (WH) of the cruise missile and operational missile system. If for long-range kamikaze UAVs it is usually about 50 kilograms, less often 100-150 kilograms (usually with this the range drops significantly), then for cruise missiles of the Storm Shadow and JASSM type, as well as operational missile systems of the ATACM type, the WH weight is about 400-500 kilograms. Also for these munitions there are cluster WHs, which effectively operate over areas, and armor-piercing WHs, capable of hitting highly protected and buried objects.


Opening of the cassette warhead of the OTR ATACMS

One should not underestimate the possibility of Ukraine using massive cruise missiles and operational-tactical missiles in a salvo of up to fifty units – repelling such a strike will be very difficult, and practically impossible without losses.

Yes, the use of cruise missiles and operational-technical missiles produced by Western countries by the enemy will not lead to a military defeat of our country, but the losses can be quite significant. Losses in weapons, especially in such valuable ones as airplanes and helicopters, fuel and energy complex (FEC) facilities, industrial facilities.

All these losses will lead to a reduction in the offensive potential of the Russian Armed Forces, a prolongation of the conflict, and, as a consequence, to an increase in losses among the military and civilians and an increase in social tension, that is, to what, in fact, Western countries are trying to achieve.

It is necessary to mention separately the possibility of using cruise missiles and operational-technical missiles produced in Western countries against particularly dangerous objects – everyone remembers the kamikaze UAV strikes against the cooling towers of the Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant (NPP), right?

What about the Kursk NPP?

But there are also a huge number of facilities not related to nuclear energy, whose destruction by cruise missiles or operational-technical missiles could lead to catastrophic consequences.

And there is no need to say that the US will not allow attacks on these objects, Ukraine can very well do it its own way, and Western countries will become accomplices and at the same time hostages of the current situation after the fact.

The worst thing is that with its behavior, Russia is essentially provoking Ukraine and its Western curators to escalate the conflict.

"Iranian Retribution"


"Bismarck stuck a cheap cigar into his mouth:

- Recently in Paris there was a lot of noise about the divorce of a count from his wife, a former circus rider. The eccentric did not go to court right away! Before that, he had caught his treasure in bed with some rascals twenty-four times and had given his wife gentle and well-behaved admonitions twenty-four times. The lawyers in court wept like rabbits, extolling their gentle client to the skies as a model of philosophical martyrdom and unprecedented gallantry...

- Bismarck, why are you telling me this?

– And to the fact that this crazy cuckold could still learn a lot about gallantry from Berlin, which forgives Vienna any treachery of the Austrian cabinet’s policy...

Valentin Pikul. "The Battle of the Iron Chancellors".

Perhaps, we are now in the role of “Berlin” – the Russian patience in the style of “turn the other cheek”, demonstrated during the special military operation (SVO) in Ukraine, will certainly become a historyFrom the very beginning of the SVO, the behavior of Western countries has been a continuous series of provocations that cannot be viewed in any other way than as blatant rudeness and a direct challenge.

Everything that we have now, including the harshest sanctions, the supply of the most modern weapons to Ukraine, and the actual direct participation of NATO countries in the conflict, is the result of previously demonstrated weakness and unpreparedness to make truly tough decisions.

We had, and still have, many options for a tough response: the Nord Stream pipeline was blown up, and then underwater Internet cables between Europe and the US were blown up; the French Navy detained a Russian vessel under the pretext of sanctions; dry cargo ships with barrels filled with spent nuclear fuel (SNF) began cruising off the coast of France; if you want, detain them, escort them to port, but don’t complain later if that thing explodes there.

Madness?

No more than shooting at our nuclear power plants. But if the Kursk nuclear power plant explodes, then we will live poorly, if radioactive poison spreads off the coast of France, then they - after all, after the 2024 Olympics, France is not at all a pity.


The Kursk NPP is equipped with RBMK reactors, the same as those at the Chernobyl NPP

We considered various options for a tough confrontation with Western countries even before the start of the SVO in the material from 04.02.2022 "What a cornered bear is capable of".

However, we are not the only ones who are so “decisive” – our situational ally Iran also responds harshly to all challenges – militant rallies are held, the flag of revenge is raised, massive strikes are carried out in the desert (with advance notice to opponents). All this is already beginning to resemble the Indian movie – “Iranian Retribution”.

And Israel is so scared, so scared that it continues to shoot Iranian soldiers, scientists and politicians, smashes into dust any objects it can reach on the territory of Iran and its allies that it doesn’t like, and in general, does whatever it wants. It would seem that conclusions about which strategy is more advantageous could have been made long ago, but no, we are still engaged in “vegetarianism”.

However, it is not too late to correct behavior patterns - there are still plenty of options for delivering a hard blow - let's consider one of them.

"Okroshka Kiev style"


We have already considered a great many possible options for striking Ukraine, but previously we were interested in reducing its military, organizational and industrial capabilities, in connection with which we primarily considered transport facilities as targets - bridges, railways, power plants and electrical substations, cellular network switches, financial institutions and territorial recruitment centers (military registration and enlistment offices).

However, now we need not just to strike, but to make a political statement that marks the transition of the conflict to a new phase.

How can I do that?

Nothing exotic is required - just a sudden massive missile strike carried out in the middle of the working day on government buildings in Kyiv.

Ideally, it would be best to time it to coincide with the visit of another Western politician, some "Blinken" or "Johnson" - you can even promise not to strike during his/her visit. So what? The US promised that NATO would not expand to the east - it's time for them to feel the consequences of unfulfilled promises.

If suddenly, then this is without the options of the Iskander-M OTRK, for example, 6 PU - 12 operational-tactical missiles, maybe more, it all depends on how many targets it will be decided to hit, and in pursuit, anti-ship missiles (ASM) Onyx, modified to hit ground targets, launched from ground-based launchers of the Bastion complex, can be launched.


Iskander-M OTRK – the basis for a surprise strike on Kyiv

At the moment of the launch of the OTR, the MiG-31Ks should begin to take off – carriers of the Kinzhal hypersonic missile system, whose task will be to destroy or at least damage underground bunkers under government buildings – maybe they will bury Zelensky?

They may be followed by long-range Tu-22M3 bombers with Kh-22/Kh-32 anti-ship missiles, preferably with cluster incendiary fragmentation warheads.

All of the above-mentioned means of destruction are not intercepted by the Ukrainian air defense systems, and it is practically impossible to predict the moment of such a strike, of course, if we do not consider the factor of betrayal.


Tu-22M3 with Kh-22 anti-ship missile

Conclusions


We cannot win the war with the countries of the global West with peace and decency. Any, absolutely any attempts to compromise, to reach an agreement, to act within the framework of international law or simply common sense are doomed to failure: our opponents perceive them only as weakness and a pretext for further escalation of the conflict.

The war will continue - first until the last Ukrainian, and then the Poles, Balts, Finns, Czechs and Romanians will be eliminated, and then it won’t be long before the Germans and French are gone.

The war will continue until the Western countries feel the abyss opening up beneath their feet.

The implementation of the “Okroshka Kiev-style” strike, even if it does not lead to the liquidation of, for example, Zelensky, will be a serious message for both Ukraine and Western countries – things will never be like they were before.

There is a big difference between President Zelensky, who is freely rolling around Ukraine, and President Zelensky, who is ruling from a bunker or from abroad. And don't say that, supposedly, Zelensky is a drug addict and an idiot, so he is beneficial to us, and if we eliminate him, they will put in someone smarter.

Zelensky is quite good at following the orders of the "smart ones" from Great Britain and the USA and has "got used to it" in his place, and the new "smart one" appointed as the President of Ukraine will definitely understand that something similar can happen to him, so he will rule, as was already said above, either from a bunker, or somewhere "in exile", or from a bunker "in exile".

We spoke about the need to destroy the leaders of hostile states back in April 2022 in the article "Confrontation with the West on the territory of Ukraine: to press without stopping".

And this should be only the beginning, then it is necessary to move on to "close work" directly with Western countries. Escalation is what it is, it can be carried out from both sides.
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  1. +19
    22 September 2024 06: 02
    What can I tell you, Andrey Mitrofanov! Everything is correct, everything is true!
    We cannot win the war with the countries of the global West with peace and decency

    The war will continue - first until the last Ukrainian, and then the Poles, Balts, Finns, Czechs and Romanians will be eliminated, and then it won’t be long before the Germans and French are gone.

    Yes
    1. -8
      22 September 2024 07: 09
      Quote: ROSS 42
      What can I tell you, Andrey Mitrofanov! Everything is correct, everything is true!

      Childish babble of an evil boy! The joke is that we will not reach the Western elites by fighting in Ukraine and killing Ukrainians!!! Even if you break it so that everyone can see..
      1. 0
        22 September 2024 07: 33
        Quote: Edik
        The funny thing is that we...

        ...we sit on our sofas and can only argue our messages and support them with facts.
        It is possible to reach the West by causing them irreparable damage every time for the smallest nastiness towards Russia... With one condition: the country's leadership must rely on the support of the population, and not those nouveau riche who imagine themselves to be the masters of the Russian land.
        In Ukraine, they are killing those Nazis who wanted to turn Slavs into homosexuals and lesbians, forcing them to love Satanism and sodomy.
        * * *
        I repeat once again, there is no need to come up with epithets for authors, you can pour out your pain through the epistolary genre... One thing worries me: your deep knowledge of Russian literature, spelling, punctuation and syntax may be a hindrance to this.
        1. 0
          22 September 2024 09: 46
          Yuri Vasilyevich, there is such an expression: "And who are the judges?" I am referring to your passage: "....the country's leadership must rely on the support of the population, and not those nouveau riche who imagine themselves to be the masters of the Russian land."
      2. +13
        22 September 2024 08: 59
        Quote: Edik
        The joke is that we won't get through to the Western elites by fighting in Ukraine and killing Ukrainians!!! Even if you break it so that everyone can see.

        Everything is correct, but there are nuances. Ukraine is now hanging on the neck of the West in all respects. We can slightly increase their costs for its maintenance to the level when they really become scared. But this must be done at once, and not drag it out ... Immediately remove all 750 and 330 kV substations and all Ukrainian nuclear power plants will stop, and their maintenance is not our problem. The fact that this can be done was confirmed by the IAEA, ignoring the blackout of the Zaporizhzhya NPP. Well, and then there will be small change in the form of the remaining large power generation nodes. Our elite simply needs to finally not even decide, but simply understand that for the West they will never become one of their own and will be the same untermenschen as we are. And if they want to be treated with dignity, then they should behave accordingly, and not turn their cheeks alternately to the left, then to the right.
        1. +2
          22 September 2024 09: 55
          Take out all 750 and 330 kV substations at once and all Ukrainian nuclear power plants will stop, and their maintenance is not our problem

          But what about our oligarchs who are still hoping to warm their little hands on the remaining industrial potential of Ukraine?
          1. +7
            22 September 2024 14: 01
            Quote: Dimy4
            But what about our oligarchs who are still hoping to warm their little hands on the remaining industrial potential of Ukraine?

            This is the problem, that they can't understand that in order to warm their hands, they need to win, otherwise someone else will warm theirs at their expense. It is better to receive ruins than to give away what is yours.
        2. -4
          22 September 2024 10: 33
          Quote: qqqq
          Remove all 750 and 330 kV substations at once and all Ukrainian nuclear power plants will stop

          Are you sure they'll be able to shut down the reactors? What if they can't? The prevailing winds there are westerly - look at the map, where they'll carry the radiation.
          1. +3
            22 September 2024 13: 26
            will they be able to shut down the reactors?
            In the bunker for the personnel of the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant I saw an illuminated sign with the inscription "air attack", so there are protocols for this case.
          2. +4
            22 September 2024 13: 59
            Quote: Nagan
            Are you sure they'll be able to shut down the reactors? What if they can't? The prevailing winds there are westerly - look at the map, where they'll carry the radiation.

            The contamination zone after Chernobyl is 40 km. Kyiv was hit by the main wave, nothing terrible, it lives and prospers. I read statistics that Chernobyl victims get sick no more often than others, and given the special attention to their health, a little less often. In general, these are not our problems.
      3. +4
        23 September 2024 09: 17
        Quote: Edik
        we won't get through to the West

        We will get through. We will get through - if we destroy the state institutions of the former in the middle of the working day, because we will clearly show that from now on there are NO UNTOUCHABLES. And especially if we continue such attacks throughout the former, exterminating their political, military and local government. A country and an army without a head do not fight.
        Then the European gay leadership will SEE what happens to the leadership of countries fighting against Russia. And finally resume testing new nuclear warheads at the Novaya Zemlya test site.
        Quote: Edik
        Even if you break something, so that everyone can see it.

        But you don’t need to break anything for yourself, only for your enemy.
    2. -13
      22 September 2024 07: 37
      I'll tell you "in secret" what our victory will look like!!! We will start winning when the Americans, en masse, start building nuclear bunkers out of fear.
      1. -5
        22 September 2024 07: 49
        Quote: Edik
        I'll tell you "in secret" what our victory will look like!!!

        And I can tell you how you can win, wiping off the face of the earth with one blow the most evil enemy in Europe... With one "Sarmat"... Not only that... No country would want to try on such a fate...
        Imagine the scene: 04:00:00 GMT and the sky is lit up by a huge flash (a kilometer-high wave rises in the sea), and in the morning, when the sun's rays illuminate the Champs-Elysees, it turns out that the tunnel under the English Channel is flooded, there is no need to go anywhere, and no one is answering the phone...
        1. -12
          22 September 2024 07: 53
          Quote: ROSS 42
          And I can tell you how you can win, wiping off the face of the earth with one blow the most evil enemy in Europe... With one "Sarmat"... Not only that... No country would want to try on such a fate...
          Picture this: 04:00:00

          You don't need much intelligence for this, the main thing is to write without mistakes, and to have the strength to press the button.
          1. +1
            22 September 2024 07: 57
            Quote: Edik
            You don't need much intelligence for this, the main thing is to write without mistakes, and to have the strength to press the button.

            Do you think that this is how the IVS won?
            1. -10
              22 September 2024 08: 04
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Do you think that this is how the IVS won?

              Enough, maybe you should hide behind Stalin already? One of the favorite methods of Western propaganda, pouring on us from every iron! If you are a real Russian person living here, then you are a fifth column for Russia!
              1. +4
                22 September 2024 08: 12
                Quote: Edik
                If you are a real Russian person living here, then you are a fifth column for Russia!

                Thank you under the hood, you are our narrow-minded friend... Remembering the temporary detention facility, I wanted to say that the Soviet people stood behind it...
                You don't change with time, and communicating with you is not a pleasure...Goodbye!
                1. -8
                  22 September 2024 08: 13
                  I hope far away and for a long time.
        2. +2
          22 September 2024 11: 22
          Quote: ROSS 42
          and no one answers the calls...

          You are evil, Yuri Vasilyevich. laughing
          1. +3
            22 September 2024 11: 51
            Quote: Kotofeich
            You are evil, Yuri Vasilyevich.

            I'm not evil, I'm adequate. And I also don't like to bend my back in front of a narrow-minded, even if it's a boss, and I can't stand empty talkers who take words out of context and build the entire dialogue on it.
            hi
            1. +4
              22 September 2024 13: 39
              Quote: ROSS 42
              I can't stand windbags

              I love you very much too laughing
              1. +1
                22 September 2024 13: 43
                Quote: Kotofeich
                I love you very much too

                You shouldn't have taken this personally. There are a couple of people here with a different mindset.
                It was precisely them that the definition of empty talk concerned. Many words - no thought.
                1. +3
                  22 September 2024 13: 45
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  In vain you took this personally

                  Accepted drinks
        3. +3
          22 September 2024 13: 27
          No country would want to suffer such a fate.
          But one will try it on anyway - the English won't draw any red lines.
          1. +2
            22 September 2024 13: 32
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            The British will not draw red lines.

            In this situation they will not be anything at all, because they will not be there at all!!!
            And imagine the alternative: let's punish Russia and let's disappear into oblivion, because we have nothing and we are smaller than Russia... Just imagine... And after that they will start saying: Well, you asked for it... You asked for it a long time ago... And that's it!!! Silence at the Ivanovskoye Cemetery...
            1. -3
              22 September 2024 13: 35
              there won't be any at all!!!
              Yeah, we'll glaze everyone and everyone else will get scared. Yes . The retaliatory strike will be carried out, among others (the British submarines will shoot back on their own) by the Americans and the French (the Chinese are 50/50 in probability), and in the "glazier" scenario there will simply be nothing left for them. The Russian expanses will not be a salvation, but a grave in a nuclear war.
              1. +2
                23 September 2024 09: 29
                Comrades or gentlemen, for God's sake, let me finish digging the bunker! And then, please, you can go to heaven or wherever. hi
              2. 0
                23 September 2024 09: 41
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                The retaliatory strike will be carried out by the Americans and the French, among others.

                And what if there is no one to answer there?
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                Yeah, we'll glaze everyone and everyone else will get scared.

                Why glaze something that is intended for Wet Cleaning according to Operation "Wrath of the Sea King"?
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                British submarines will shoot back on their own

                At best, ONE boat. If it is not tracked down and neutralized in time the day before.
                And the French have no more than one. In the best case. And the best cases are rare.
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                In the event of a nuclear war, the Russian expanses will not be a salvation, but a grave.

                In this case, it will be hard for everyone, but it will be easier for Russia. Not because of the vastness. Because NATO will have practically nothing to respond with from the gays. And no one. And Russia will retain its entire missile and nuclear potential. And we have a missile defense system - we will somehow fight off the rare retaliatory salvos.
                There is no one left to negotiate with your side. And what are they doing with Mad Dog?
                It's just planetary sanitation.
        4. +1
          23 September 2024 09: 20
          Standing ovation!! I completely agree. Destroying this island will really make the world a better place. And it has been asking for this since the 16th century.
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        5. 0
          30 September 2024 18: 46
          having wiped off the face of the earth with one blow the most evil enemy in Europe...With one "Sarmat"

          Is it the one that recently exploded, destroying a mine? The one that hasn't been properly tested, but is already in service? It's still a question of who will be damaged more by it.
      2. +5
        22 September 2024 08: 01
        Quote: Edik
        We will start winning when the Americans start building nuclear bunkers out of fear.

        That's right - we need to fight not with the force, but with its source. The source of the force is the NATO countries led by the USA, and Ukraine is just disposable toilet paper - wiped and thrown away...
      3. 0
        22 September 2024 10: 48
        The Americans built them in the 50s, and where is the USSR?
  2. +10
    22 September 2024 06: 21
    NATO and the savages from America have received the greatest gift they could not even dream of three years ago. They tested and tested air defense using old types of missiles. Nothing surprised them. They have new models with unknown capabilities in stock. They tested possible attack directions, looked for weak points and found them. NATO intelligence does whatever it wants, looks into the Kremlin's soup bowl with impunity. They warn Koper in advance about the preparation for the launch of bombers. The drug addict receives a message about missile launches immediately after their launch.
    Defense accountants in America are constantly drunk on champagne. Factories work in 3 shifts, orders are placed 10 years in advance, and Koper uses old scrap metal sent free of charge by respected Western partners.
    The Russian bear ran out of the forest and roared at the very beginning. Then they got scared. They noticed that something was wrong here. The bear was limping and blind in one eye. True, he still roared loudly, but they had already gotten used to the cries.
    The West's arrogance is the result of gelatinous red lines and the knowledge that they have a huge advantage in conventional warfare. 7000 cruise missiles will arrive and we will return to the caves.
    What to do in this situation. I don't know, people much smarter than me don't know, and what's worse, the Kremlin team probably doesn't know either.
    1. +9
      22 September 2024 07: 34
      absolutely everything is on point, except for the option that everything is going according to plan, agreed upon and approved in advance.
    2. -5
      22 September 2024 11: 16
      Little Bear, everything is bad. The Kremlin has screwed everything up. We are screwed.
      1. -1
        22 September 2024 15: 03
        Little Bear, everything is bad. The Kremlin has screwed everything up. We are screwed.
        Katz offers to surrender?
    3. +2
      22 September 2024 11: 54
      Quote: Little Bear
      True, he still roars loudly...

      ..but it’s more from pain and helplessness.
  3. 0
    22 September 2024 06: 23
    The war will continue - first until the last Ukrainian, and then the Poles, Balts, Finns, Czechs and Romanians will be eliminated, and then it won’t be long before the Germans and French are gone.
    The French are against belay
  4. +10
    22 September 2024 06: 36
    The implementation of the “Okroshka Kiev-style” strike, even if it does not lead to the liquidation of, for example, Zelensky, will be a serious message for both Ukraine and Western countries – things will never be like they were before.

    It will take a long time to build up your lost reputation before it starts working for you.
    I remember the first days of the conflict, my American friends were completely confident that our army was number 2 in the world and that everything would be over in 2 weeks.
    But we have long and carefully weaned the world off this idea.
  5. +14
    22 September 2024 06: 40
    Remember 10 years ago, when everyone was throwing their caps in the air about getting up off their knees? However, the West is deciding whether Russia can be shot at, and the gentlemen in the Kremlin are thinking about what and how they can sell to the West. I can't help but remember, but this is no longer a quote from a film, this is reality. Are the Kremlin people really on another planet? While they are shooting at us, they will sit it out
    1. 0
      22 September 2024 07: 20
      Here, many are waving sabers about the "adequate response" from the Russian Federation to attacks on its territory and do not understand the simple truth that if the Russian Federation could respond, it would respond. But there are no means for a "response" - the entire so-called military potential turned out to be limited in military terms and, in addition, from the very beginning, the Kremlin received red lines from NATO and the US, saying that if strategic objects of Ukrainian infrastructure, energy, communications, etc. are destroyed, then NATO, with its own means, will begin to destroy the same objects on the territory of the Russian Federation to the entire depth of the territory. There are no fools sitting in the Kremlin and they know perfectly well that the capabilities of the Russian Federation and NATO in this regard are simply incommensurate - especially in terms of reconnaissance, detection and accuracy of targeting of destructive weapons.
      1. -6
        22 September 2024 07: 27
        Nonsense from start to finish!!! To set stupid conditions for a country that has a nuclear triad in its arsenal! Only idiots can believe this! And the "limited arsenal" thing made me smile! Numbers, please, in the studio!
        1. -2
          22 September 2024 07: 35
          Nonsense? Well, well. As for the numbers, that's for the former "Minister of Defense". lol and yes, stop "distorting" about "possession of nuclear weapons" - the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been in the Kursk region for more than a month, and according to the Constitution, the Guarantor is obliged to use them (all means) if enemy troops invade the territory of the Russian Federation, so what? Did he use them? tongue Ask yourself, why didn't you use it? Because the same thing will come back from NATO, and then instead of writing patriotic nonsense here on the forum, you and your family will have to wrap yourself in sheets and crawl to the cemetery... Thank God, the Kremlin understands this and feels sorry for you.
          1. -6
            22 September 2024 07: 46
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            Nonsense? Well, well. As for the numbers, that's for the former "Minister of Defense".

            Yes, you can post your Western ones, I won’t be offended. laughing
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            stop "distorting" the idea of ​​"possession of nuclear weapons" - the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been in the Kursk region for more than a month, and according to the Constitution, the Guarantor is obliged to use them

            Where is this written? And they are distorting it to Russia in the West drinks If it didn't have nuclear weapons, we would have been grazing here long ago! tongue
            1. +2
              22 September 2024 09: 51
              Quote: Edik
              If it didn't have nuclear weapons, we would have been grazing here long ago!

              so that what? Well, why? Why capture us? This is a specific question... I ask for a specific answer - why? Just don't talk about resources - we are ready to sell to them on their terms and we sell through all sorts of "Indies"
          2. -4
            22 September 2024 08: 30
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            and yes, stop "distorting" it to "possession of nuclear weapons"

            Some people on the site take your writing seriously! So let them think about it. The entire political, economic, military strategy of the West towards Russia is based on the fact that Russia will use nuclear weapons in the event of a threat to its own existence. These huge amounts of money are spent by guys who know how to count these very same money. Those who disagree with (What's the Difference) hi
          3. +2
            22 September 2024 08: 33
            Monster_Fat, don't spout ridiculous nonsense, if everything was really that easy and simple, then NATO, without thinking twice, would have already unleashed a direct war against us.
            1. +2
              22 September 2024 13: 15
              belay Why should they fight against us? Risk their priceless Anglo-Saxonism? When they found someone who would lay down their lives for them. And the stupid Russians will bury themselves...
      2. +7
        22 September 2024 07: 40
        There are no fools in the Kremlin
        But then the question arises why did they start? I remember the video very well, when everyone supported and only Naryshkin hesitated...
        However, this is the impression, both then in Syria, and then Crimea is ours, and already on 24.02 they asked to start...
        1. +2
          22 September 2024 12: 02
          Quote: Gardamir
          But then the question arises why did they start? I remember the video very well, when everyone supported and only Naryshkin hesitated...

          I remember very well that in the video Naryshkin could not formulate his attitude towards the acceptance of the LPR and DPR into Russia.
          1. +5
            22 September 2024 14: 55
            Well, you remember how it was then. In the wave of excitement about getting up from our knees, it was impossible for anyone to shoot even once in Crimea, not to mention exploding air conditioners. And then, to distract Kyiv, they stirred up trouble in Donbass. The Kremlin itself did not need Donbass. The people did not think that everything was calm in Crimea, but there was shooting in Donbass. In fact, the Kremlin considered Donbass to be Ukrainian until 2022. So the Kremlin itself did not recognize the LPR and DPR until the very end...
            1. -7
              22 September 2024 16: 52
              Gardamir
              I wonder why you have the same stuffing in your head! You all graze here... They write here mostly in a different vein... So where do they put such stuffing on you and what is the point for you, as a normal person, to cry here endlessly.
              1. +3
                22 September 2024 19: 58
                What do you mean by minced meat? I live in reality. You live in a fantasy world. I am for Russia. And who are you for? For someone who does not want to take responsibility for everything that happens.
                1. -4
                  22 September 2024 20: 06
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  What do you mean by minced meat?

                  The source of your information. What you impose here is not written on VO. So where do you get it from?
                  1. +3
                    22 September 2024 21: 13
                    Well, I read not only VO. Besides. there is such a word. analytics.
                    1. -4
                      22 September 2024 21: 59
                      Quote: Gardamir
                      Well, I read not only VO

                      What are you reading and where? This is the third time I've tried to reach you.
                      Quote: Gardamir
                      Besides, there is such a word. analytics.

                      Well, this is not about you. I can say about many here on the resource, who exactly they are watching and whose "whose interests" the courts are broadcasting. Who is putting it in your ears and where? Who is this real patriot of Russia?
      3. -1
        22 September 2024 15: 07
        Here, many are waving sabers about an "adequate response" from the Russian Federation to attacks on its territory and do not understand the simple truth


        Katz offers to surrender?
    2. +2
      22 September 2024 08: 43
      Quote: Gardamir
      Is it really true that the Kremlin people are on another planet?
      They are behind a high Kremlin fence with special rations and special services. wink
    3. +3
      22 September 2024 11: 57
      Quote: Gardamir
      Is it really true that the Kremlin people are on another planet?

      This is not true, this is the Kremlin's position. It is convenient for them to live this way. The West can hurt them much more than a people who have been deprived of their rights.
  6. +13
    22 September 2024 06: 56
    We cannot win the war with the countries of the global West with peace and decency


    So no one is going to win the war.
    The goal is not to win, the goal is to reach an agreement. From the first to the last day of the SVO, this goal is unchanged.
    It's time to understand this.

    The war will continue - first until the last Ukrainian, and then the Poles, Balts, Finns, Czechs and Romanians will be eliminated, and then it won’t be long before the Germans and French are gone.


    Well, yes. And Russians are unlimited.
  7. +8
    22 September 2024 07: 00
    What the author writes about, commentators on VO have been writing for more than two years. But cowards and traders continue their dirty rule in the country. So, write or don't write, it will be of no use. Even if 100% are against at the elections, they will get 146% for... And they will soon vote from "election" to "election" without a break.
  8. +1
    22 September 2024 07: 00
    for the most important facilities, like ammunition depots or kremlin, not even tunguska and pantsir turrets aren't enough, you need rotary cannons as a supplemental last line of defense. plus consolidate the roof with those simple things exported by nato to ukraine, with wire and pebbles. but of course, the best way is to remove the gerasimovs, yevkurovs and belusovs that forbid the air defense to hit nato stealth plane and the use of mig 25 and 31. also, it's not clear why the nukes aren't deployed, during ussr they were alarming them for each state coup in oceania, while now you have a direct conflict with direct nuclear threats from both sides.
    for the most important objects, like ammunition depots or the Kremlin, even the Tunguska and Pantsir turrets are not enough, you need rotary guns as an additional last line of defense. plus reinforce the roof with those simple things that NATO exports to Ukraine, wire and pebbles. but of course the best way is to remove the Gerasimovs, Yevkurovs and Belousovs, who forbid the air defense to shoot down NATO stealth aircraft and use the MiG-25 and 31. also it is unclear why nuclear weapons are not deployed, in the USSR they were worried about every coup d'etat in Oceania, and now you have a direct conflict with direct nuclear threats from both sides.
    1. +1
      22 September 2024 12: 07
      Quote: Ionescu Popa
      shoot down NATO stealth aircraft and use the MiG-25 and 31.

      As far as I remember, the MiG-25 was decommissioned. MiG-35 or Su-35?
      1. 0
        23 September 2024 10: 50
        the high-altitude interceptors able to catch the stealth bombers.
  9. +4
    22 September 2024 07: 04
    Are we in the position of Berlin??? belay No, in the position of a French cuckold!
  10. +2
    22 September 2024 07: 51
    The war will continue - first until the last Ukrainian, and then the Poles, Balts, Finns, Czechs and Romanians will be eliminated, and then it won’t be long before the Germans and French are gone.
    Yeah, we'll bury everyone, we'll bury everyone.. We have
    an inexhaustible human resource, judging by the demographics.. And there are no losses at the front. We will transfer shopping centers to military rails, produce UAVs.
  11. +6
    22 September 2024 09: 00
    The US blew up the Nord Stream in NATO's economic zone, not Russia's - they blew it up in their own, so to speak. So they can't respond with an explosion, eye for an eye.
  12. +4
    22 September 2024 09: 09
    BECs, drones, anti-ship missiles for the Houthis, let them hit the ports and bridges of England and the US, and not just in the Gulf of Aden. All strikes are by the Houthis, the Islamic State, and the PMC "Bambarbiya Kirgudu".
  13. +6
    22 September 2024 09: 31
    Here's the thing: every day on VO there are articles about what and how to do.
    But nothing is being done.
    And none of the authors name the reason or reasons for this inaction.
    But he has a specific last name and position.
    1. +6
      22 September 2024 12: 09
      Quote: Million
      And none of the authors name the reason or reasons for this inaction.

      This is a common fear of criminal liability for extremism...
      1. 0
        23 September 2024 09: 47
        Then why write? request "" "
  14. +3
    22 September 2024 10: 10
    There is only one conclusion here - Ukraine must cease to exist.
  15. +2
    22 September 2024 10: 42
    We are not dealing with Ukraine, we are dealing with the US/UK and their war against us. Ukraine is their puppet and fighting machine. It is time to finally understand this.
    The war between Ukraine and Russia is a fabrication by the US/UK to distract everyone from their real war, which they have been preparing since the 1991 coup with the help of their dependent Ukraine, Russia, NATO countries and Japan, with the aim of destroying Russia and Ukraine, appropriating their natural resources and territory and creating their own foothold in Eurasia to attack China.
    On the territory of Russia, this war began with the creation of the first theater of military operations near Kursk.
    All the constructions that are born inside the “fishbowl of political correctness” that isolates the war between Ukraine and Russia from its main player and master – the USA/UK – are lies and disinformation in their place of birth. They deprive us of the awareness of our real enemy – the one who holds all the threads of the conspiracy in his hands, against whom we need to mobilize our forces and who we need to force to retreat. So the bullfighter distracts the bull’s attention with a red rag, and his assistants stick pikes into the bull and weaken him, so that the bullfighter can finish the bullfight with a final spectacular blow.
    Our enemy is the US/UK and Russia, bleeding and losing people it needs in its economy, has very little time left to free itself from dependence, to force the enemy to retreat and wind down this war.
    1. +2
      22 September 2024 12: 48
      We are not dealing with Ukraine.

      If there were no Ukraine, there would not have been such a large-scale and bloody war. A striking example of this is Syria.
      1. -2
        22 September 2024 12: 56
        In WW2, Ukraine, as part of the USSR, together with Russia and other nations, defeated the West, united by the Anglo-Saxons around Germany.
        In order to avoid the current bloody war, Russia should not have given Ukraine over to the Americans. All the time before the SVO, Russia could have threatened to cause unacceptable damage to the US/UK to refuse to use Ukraine against us.
        It was they who chose a bloody war for us, using their decisive influence on our government, which followed their lead and continues to this day.
        1. +3
          22 September 2024 13: 02
          In WW2, Ukraine, as part of the USSR, together with Russia and other nations, defeated the West

          Just don't sing odes to Ukrainians here. Every day at work I talk to Ukrainians who fled Odessa to Russia back in 2014. They look at the locals like wolves, and it seems like they're going to grab you by the throat. Western Ukraine has no business in Russia, they'll cause significantly more problems than benefits.
          1. +3
            22 September 2024 13: 14
            And what do you want?
            Two former brotherly nations are destroying each other with their own hands and enriching the Master and Organizer of this war. What do you want from one of them?
            Imagine that the barbarities that preceded the NWO were organized by the USA/Great Britain with the help of specially trained people and the few local fascists at that time with the aim of causing the introduction of Russian troops.
            We ourselves have already carried out a real war with the people of Ukraine and mass instillation of self-hatred by conducting full-scale military operations on the territory of Ukraine.
            This is the technology of the Anglo-Saxons - this is how they start wars.
          2. 0
            22 September 2024 13: 31
            Western Ukraine has nothing to do in Russia
            The Eastern ones are the same.
            1. +4
              22 September 2024 14: 58
              The Eastern ones are the same.

              I completely agree with you. Just 4 days ago I happened to listen to a conversation between a resident of Donetsk and another one who came to us on a business trip for goods. They speak pure Russian with a slight southern accent, but they do not consider themselves Russian at all. The men are about 35 years old, their native language is Russian, but they are not Russians and, moreover, there was obvious disdain for Russia in almost every phrase.
              1. +1
                22 September 2024 15: 05
                obvious disdain for Russia in almost every phrase.
                I spoke with the Luhansk defender of London on the Thames in London laughing . He told me what Europeans Ukrainians are. And then with a sound of hrrr-aaa-k he spat out some green muck on the glass of the bus stop. The black man standing next to him was stunned - he probably thought "okay, I got down from the palm tree yesterday, but where did this one come from?" And Misha (I think so) continued his tale about the European destiny of Ukraine. By the way, about England and the English, living here, they speak about the same as about you.

                In Nice, a family of "refugees" was pushing their way into an empty (terminal) tram to get to the front seats, pushing aside the offic... that is, the surprised locals. wassat .

                A similar experience - in Riga, a Ukrainian on a bus was telling a fellow countrywoman who had just arrived (he had apparently been living in Riga for about a year already) what a hole Latvia really is and how to stay here for a long time laughing .
                1. 0
                  22 September 2024 15: 12
                  These are your obvious Westerners, and I am talking about those who are on the other side of the barricade, they behave more restrained, but their difference, anger and displeasure literally shine through in everything. I have something to compare with, we have a lot of Uzbeks and Tajiks coming here and recently there have been a lot of rowdy people among them, but after living in Russia for several years, their behavior becomes almost indistinguishable from those around them, but these are not, they do not want to be re-educated at all.
                  1. +3
                    22 September 2024 15: 19
                    These are obvious Westerners among you.
                    No, not Westerners - I lived in Ukraine (under the Soviet Union) in places where there are battles now. I'll buy the accent. It is Westerners who behave quietly abroad - they are afraid of their masters. And by the way, when I talked to them, the only one who said (before the SVO this was) that Europe doesn't need Ukraine at all was a pig farmer from a village near Lviv. The rest (including people from the V/Obr) shouted in unison how they would become EU citizens and bring their families to England for social security. They even seriously chose the district.
                    become indistinguishable from those around them
                    There are doubts. These are more dangerous than even the most hardened Banderites.
              2. 0
                23 September 2024 10: 49
                Quote: Sergey3
                The men were about 35 years old, their native language was Russian, but they were not Russian, and moreover, there was obvious disdain for Russia in almost every phrase.

                Well, they don’t remember the USSR and Russia, it’s all logical... it would be more illogical if they considered themselves Russian...
  16. +3
    22 September 2024 11: 09
    It's a pity that all this is only here, on the pages of VO. The West openly says that the attacks on the civilian population of Russia are aimed at destabilizing the internal situation in Russia. Why aren't we making these attacks to destabilize the situation in Ukraine? Why aren't we doing everything to prevent thousands of hungry and dirty pot heads from storming Bankova. We'll probably never get answers.
  17. 0
    22 September 2024 11: 35
    I agree with the author, the red lines are already cutting our pants, and we are still being stupid. Of course, Bankova in Kyiv, during the day, on a working day, and with some visitor from the West - it will be like a blow to the head with a sledgehammer. But what will happen in response? Maybe the Kremlin knows something that we don't? Well, as an alternative, I would suggest finishing off the power generation, but only in a smart way, so that the nuclear power plants are turned off. Now I see elements of chaos in our attacks, and all the nuclear power plants are working. Well, why, after the blown up SP, they still haven't blown up the Atlantic cables - that's completely incomprehensible.
  18. +8
    22 September 2024 11: 46
    Hypocrisy on ears.
    Russia, as an example, strikes all over Ukraine at once, both the old and the new, already declared Russian regions. And it strikes the Kursk region - where necessary. And it strikes from the territory of Belarus, when necessary. And with its own missiles, and Iranian UAVs, and even, possibly, Korean shells and missiles, if they exist (classified, the media do not officially confirm).
    The media described all this with great relish.

    And here comes feigned surprise. The Ukrainians are supposedly not allowed. In the new ones, not yet fully annexed, they say, it's sort of possible, but in the old ones - no way. In the Kursk region - okay, we'll shut up if they beat us. But further - well, no way.

    Logically, there is no war. Anyone can supply weapons to anyone. Even if we supply planes to Algeria, or Korea to us. And China and Turkey supply UAVs to Ukraine. And we supply oil, gas, titanium, gold to NATO. (And NATO will make gasoline and missiles and supply them to the Ukrainian Armed Forces)

    "then it is necessary to move on to "close work" directly with Western countries."
    And the media just screwed up, how we supply NATO with resources bypassing them... tight work? Sell them more uranium and titanium?

    Capitalism is here. The rich sell Uranium, the poor shoot each other...
  19. +3
    22 September 2024 12: 36
    The author is right that the war will continue as long as the US and the small-timers see it as a benefit for themselves and a loss for the rest of the world, especially for us and China. But I don't understand why Russia, or rather the Russian government, needs a long war. It is clear that there is a desire to knock out the Ukrop passionaries, but in doing so, our own people are also dying, don't we need them in the future? Moreover, there are ways to achieve a fairly quick victory, and without tactical nuclear weapons and large casualties among the civilian population of the Ukropia, but for some reason the government is not rushing it (the victory). To accelerate the military economy to the maximum? To fight with someone else later?
  20. 0
    22 September 2024 22: 53
    Well, what can I say about the author's proposal? Weak! The buildings on Bankova will be destroyed, so what will NATO say, that's what war is for, we will continue to help. But here's what I've already written many times:
    As an adherent of a tactical nuclear strike on Ukraine, I cannot agree with you. I believe that at first even a single powerful ground nuclear strike by a strategic missile on the Yavoriv test site in the Lviv region near the Polish border with an easterly wind should inspire many Russophobes with pants full of goodness that the slow heating of the frog is over and a bloody meat grinder can begin. The Poles will definitely howl. At the same time, there is no strike on NATO and there are no reasons for a 3rd world war. And if a test strike on the Yavoriv test site does not have any effect, then there are many targets for TNW in Ukraine, especially in the West, even without a strike on cities.
  21. -1
    23 September 2024 00: 02
    good article. it's a pity that Mitrofanov didn't consider two more facts. the first is that Russia doesn't have nuclear weapons. the plutonium was sold to the USA, because the second fact is that Putin is a traitor. and when these two facts are superimposed on the SVO, the peacefulness (diplomacy to the level of both cheeks) of Russia immediately becomes clear. both the "anaconda loop" and boiling a frog - they immediately take place. and the question already begs to be asked, as in the joke about the partisan and the cuckoo....how long does Russia have to live with such a president? eins ku-ku, zwei ku-ku. feuer!...?
  22. 0
    23 September 2024 00: 22
    Another wet dream...
  23. 0
    23 September 2024 05: 21
    I agree with the author of the article.
  24. 0
    23 September 2024 09: 32
    There are plenty of scenarios for the development of events. Both strikes on targets in Kyiv and other countries. The confrontation can continue in other parts of the world, with no less intensity than in/on Ukraine. The only question is in the determination and involvement in the conflict. The determination of our leadership to escalate is minimal. The involvement of our society in the conflict is less than it was in the CTO. As a consequence of the SVO, no matter what it is called. A very limited number of people are actually waging a war, the rest are watching the show and rooting. And even if there is public consolidation, who will lead it? There are no options, or I just don't see any.
  25. 0
    23 September 2024 10: 19
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    Here, many are waving sabers about the "adequate response" from the Russian Federation to attacks on its territory and do not understand the simple truth that if the Russian Federation could respond, it would respond. But there are no means for a "response" - the entire so-called military potential turned out to be limited in military terms and, in addition, from the very beginning, the Kremlin received red lines from NATO and the US, saying that if strategic objects of Ukrainian infrastructure, energy, communications, etc. are destroyed, then NATO, with its own means, will begin to destroy the same objects on the territory of the Russian Federation to the entire depth of the territory. There are no fools sitting in the Kremlin and they know perfectly well that the capabilities of the Russian Federation and NATO in this regard are simply incommensurate - especially in terms of reconnaissance, detection and accuracy of targeting of destructive weapons.

    If you're so smart, you shouldn't have started. The one who fights to the end wins. Or doesn't get into a fight.
  26. 0
    23 September 2024 12: 13
    And they will also be able to strike our assembly centers. If a drone only knocks out windows and damages the building's facade, then a cruise missile can kill many people in the building.
    Which will discourage new recruits and people who were considering joining the military under contract.
  27. 0
    23 September 2024 19: 55
    Andrey Mitrofanov! Everything is very correct! But! Our advice and "wants" are probably taken into account somewhere, but the Supreme has his own plan, his own strategy, his own principles and, of course, a host of advisers and experts... We are extras in this play called "Life", and in it (the play) there are leading actors in the main roles, there is also a director, a scriptwriter, probably, who see everything and everyone a little differently than you and I...
  28. +1
    23 September 2024 23: 57
    It is time for us to acknowledge the obvious fact that Russia is in a deep, mortally dangerous crisis.
    During Yeltsin’s 10 years, the US/Great Britain created a system of power in Russia that was subordinate to them, resistant to changes in heads of state, a “vertical” of governance dependent on them, and big business tied to them.
    This allowed them to turn Russia, as well as Ukraine, into their geopolitical instrument, to ignite a war between them in Europe, to tie Russia's hands by destroying the former fraternal nation, and to prepare a war with the participation of NATO countries and Japan with the aim of destroying Russia with conventional weapons by forces of their slaves that are more than 4,5 times superior. Thus, the "vertical" uncontrolled by the people brought the country, which possesses nuclear weapons, to the brink of destruction in 23 years.
    The Western-style multi-party system, created as an “imitation of democracy” that does not interfere with the “vertical,” has remained so. The people are practically not included in the control circuit. The control system without popular participation and control is left to itself, corruption, formalism, indifference to the country and the interests of the business flourish in it. Instead of an instrument for exiting the crisis and developing, it has become an obstacle on its path.
    Her work is accompanied by a deep discontent, misunderstanding and impotence of the people.
    This is a crisis of governance of the country and the political system.
    The capitalist system created a more or less comfortable environment in Russia. However, in accordance with its uncontrollable nature, it minimized the financing of the country's vital activities, including science, education, health care and defense. This minimization of expenses based on an abstract optimistic life scenario, in the conditions of an aggressive capitalist environment, led to the country's unpreparedness for survival in the conditions of crisis and war, which was being prepared before our eyes, to the inability to defend its life with conventional weapons. The country now has to rely on the use of its strategic nuclear forces.
    The complete absence of centralized strategic planning and scientific management of the economy, the independence of the country's Central Bank, leads to the inaccessibility for us of a controlled exit from the crisis and the transition to a mobilization economy of the country in war conditions, which also calls into question its survival.
    The comfortable environment has thus turned into a “Potemkin village,” hiding from the population the entire abyss of problems that the country actually faces.
    This is a crisis of the economic system, even with some formal favorable indicators.
    Russian society, in the absence of an ideology adequate to the interests of the country, is based mainly on the quantity and quality of consumption, is deprived of moral and ethical guidelines and is disunited. The war with Ukraine is a controversial unifying factor against the background of impunity and immunity of the master of this war - the USA/Great Britain, which is "concurrently" the master of the war to destroy Russia (after all, everyone sees and understands this).
    The problems within the army are a reflection of all the above-mentioned problems of the country and society, which prevents it from fully performing its functions.
    The crisis in the army is thus inextricably linked to the crisis in the country and society. This does not allow us to treat the army as an “oasis” of health that can be relied upon to save the country.
    The key and solution to all problems is to introduce the people as a ubiquitous and obligatory element in the country's governance. This can be done by replacing the dead multi-party system with a new single mass people's ruling party, open to the broad masses of the population and making it an OBLIGATORY link in the governance and control of all aspects of the country's life.
    The return of ideology and the goal of building a just society will allow Russia to become not a fellow traveler, but a friend for the PRC and other socialist countries and claim their friendly assistance in reforming the system of power and the economy, in a joint confrontation with the geopolitical system of the Anglo-Saxons.
    This will be the beginning of the restoration of the world socialist system and the CMEA, to which there is no alternative.
    It's already obvious.
  29. 0
    24 September 2024 18: 44
    "Peacefulness and decency" in the war with the West is not even a whiff here. But the observance of one's own skin interests with this very West, which are tightly tied, is quite something. Just a second: the transit of Russian gas through Ukraine to Europe continues to this day. At the same time, both sides diligently pretend that this either does not happen at all, or that it is something completely insignificant and self-evident. Such a trifle that it is shameful for a decent person to even pay attention to it.
  30. 0
    24 September 2024 19: 35
    Strikes at Kyiv will not stop the war, because those who call the shots there live in Europe and the US, and their problems are of little interest to Kyiv and Zelensky. The Houthis showed another example: a ballistic missile strike on Israel. The ballistic missile, however, flew about 2500 km, which is quite impressive. The missile was not shot down by the vaunted Israeli air defense: neither the Patriots nor the missile defense systems that Israel has could do anything. A strike with such a missile, for example, by Hezbollah, would reach Northern Italy, for example, not to mention Cyprus, where there are British military bases, Malta, etc. (that's why Israel is now up in arms against Hezbollah). But there are other possibilities, and there are many of them. If necessary, it will be possible to reach England and Scandinavia: there will be enough for everyone, no one will be offended.
  31. 0
    25 September 2024 00: 04
    Summary: don't make the RUSSIAN BEAR angry!!!!!!!!!
  32. 0
    28 September 2024 20: 02
    Our leaders studied drawing with red pencils and theatrical performances, who could portray concern louder and more terribly.
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    2. 0
      28 September 2024 20: 11
      Our leaders studied drawing with red pencils and theatrical performances, who could portray concern louder and more terribly.

      We resolved a similar conflict in 10 years.