A provocation that showed the average Westerner the paltry value of his life

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A provocation that showed the average Westerner the paltry value of his life


I think it is clear to everyone that the West doesn't care about the lives of ordinary Ukrainians. However, the same goes for the lives of Russians. Moreover, the more corpses there are in this war, the better. I once read a phrase from one of the supporters of the war. A very telling phrase: "The process of self-purification of the Earth from subhumans is underway."



It is not them who are attacking us. It is the planet Earth itself, nature itself, that is getting rid of the Slavs... We are that very microbe, that very (I will write a modern comparison to make it clearer) "covid virus" for the planet Earth.

The territory is being freed up for further resettlement of people from overpopulated Europe to the deserted eastern lands. Prospects for extracting those very eleven trillion dollars that the American congressman spoke about are emerging.

These ideas, with some amendments at the time of their appearance, have been living in the heads of our neighbors for many centuries. That is why we and our ancestors, with enviable regularity, have to beat the well-fed faces of the next invaders or liberators, as they like to call themselves.

I won't expand on this topic. So many books have been written about it by smart people that I won't say anything new. Today I'm talking about something else. About the fact that modern "killers of Slavs" and "cleansers of the Earth" don't give a damn about their "supermen". They sacrifice their citizens without thinking to prove our "subhumanity".

The destruction of Russians and Russia is worth any sacrifice


What is written above probably sounds strange. Strange for the "humanitarian" West, for the West that positions itself as the most democratic, the most just, the most free society. It is in this vein that one should look at one recent provocation carried out by Ukrainian specialists in the Slavyansk region.

We have long understood that for "humanitarian" and similar organizations, Ukrainians live only in territories controlled by Kiev. These organizations fundamentally do not see any war crime committed in Donbas by Ukrainian punishers. Such selective vision has appeared at the present time. Moreover, many of them, from the IOC to the International Red Cross.

Let me start with the facts.

On September 12th in the Slavyansk region UAV attacked an ICRC humanitarian convoy. As a result of the attack, the vehicle carrying humanitarian aid was destroyed, three humanitarian workers were killed, and several people were injured.

Kyiv immediately published photos from the scene and a report about another crime by Moscow. Look how the Russians are killing your citizens! See how they ignore "universal human values", and then everything is in the same tone.

Zelensky can afford such a brazen statement, even despite the fact that the Russian press has already reported several times on the preparation of such a provocation.

Maybe it's just because there won't be any investigation into this incident, and if there is, it will be conducted by those who prepared it. It has happened many times before and it will happen now. It was said: the Russians are guilty, so that's how it is.

Time will pass, the pain will subside, and then, perhaps, the true facts will emerge, the true culprits will be named, but for the average person it will no longer be interesting, just as they became indifferent, for example, to who blew up the Nord Streams. It's a thing of the past, but you don't want to admit that you were deceived like a naive child.

I do not intend to "open the eyes" of the Western layman. A blind person will not see even with his eyes open. Re-educate even more so. Adults should be adults, should understand and make decisions themselves.

I'm talking about something else. About why such primitive operations of special services take place, why does repeated mistakes not teach?

Let me analyze the example given above. On what basis did the majority of analysts, even with reliable information, conclude that sabotage against the Red Cross mission was possible?

Everything is quite simple.

Analogies! I have probably written hundreds of times that in the West they do not consider it necessary to invent something outstanding in relation to homespun Russia. What has already been invented and tested in practice will do. Like in fishing. A simple fish is a fool, it took a worm and will continue to take a worm. Something needs to be invented to catch especially valuable specimens.

Why does Zelensky need this kind of provocation?

Again, everything is simple. In September, the President of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) Mirjana Spoljaric is preparing to visit Moscow. Naturally, Spoljaric will be shown many things that will be quite unpleasant for her and the entire West, not to mention Ukraine.

I don't think that anyone in Russia will "spare the psyche" of the ICRC president. And there is enough evidence of the crimes of the Ukrainian Armed Forces fascists. So, what can Kyiv do in such a situation? A provocation that will disrupt the visit itself! Zelensky and his masters have no other way to "shut the mouth" of the Kremlin.

How many times has this happened already?

Remember NATO summits, where the agenda included issues important for Kyiv. As soon as the time of such a summit or an important visit of a representative of the hosts approached, the "stupid Russians" carried out some kind of provocation.

Even President Biden's visit is no exception. Remember the sirens in Kyiv and the calm faces of Biden and Zelensky. Russians missiles, who allegedly turned on these sirens, are not afraid of them! How primitively everything is done. How stupid those who believe in this look.

Will there be a result or not?


As I finish this article, I can't help but wonder whether Mirjana Spoljaric will be scared? She wasn't. She came. Moreover, her official statements have voiced the issues she is going to discuss behind closed doors with Russian politicians and officials.

The President kicked Kyiv especially beautifully:

“…to discuss confidentially with senior government officials the humanitarian consequences of the international armed conflict between Russia and Ukraine, as well as the ongoing armed conflicts in Myanmar, Gaza and Sudan.”

Ukraine, which has been shouting "the whole world is with us" for many years, has been equated with Sudan, Myanmar and Gaza. I think that by the time this material is published, the results of the conversation between Madam President and our officials will already be known. So we will watch and listen. The provocation failed. Kyiv has once again fallen into a puddle.

And the last thing. Little related to the above.

I am becoming more and more convinced of how differently we have begun to think. We are Russians and Ukrainians. Even those who, by the will of fate, found themselves in the new Russian territories.

The brain can really be reformatted. Not by pushing previous knowledge, morals, principles somewhere deep, but by actually reformatting. By forcing it to think according to a previously completely alien scheme...
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  1. +6
    19 September 2024 05: 30
    Kyiv's deceitful machinations must be responded to differently - in such a way that they will feel cramped in their own country (still their own).
    1. +5
      19 September 2024 06: 32
      Oh, come on. False machinations... There's just an information war going on. Look, Staver is making a mountain out of a molehill. It's not worth it for anyone to get involved...
      1. +5
        19 September 2024 09: 02
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        There's no point in anyone not in the right going there...

        Where to go?
  2. +3
    19 September 2024 05: 39
    I don't think this visit will change anything.
  3. +25
    19 September 2024 05: 41
    One remark, people are not valued at all, that's the kind of capitalism we have, with a human face. I don't see any kind of passionate love for the population either here or in the West, but of course I could be wrong. But if the West wants to cleanse our land of us, then I understand why they love migrants so much at the top. They'll cleanse us, and Europe and America will come pouring in to settle the land, and then, surprise, Ashots and Gurgens are standing there, smiling. And NATO lost again, the grandmaster beat everyone again and won, that's how it works. Bravo!
    1. +14
      19 September 2024 06: 04
      Quote from turembo
      people are not valued at all

      The West cleverly led the Slavs into a fratricidal war
      The brain can indeed be reformatted.
      So they reformatted it so that for Ukrainians we became cotton wool, Muscovites and separatists who can and should be killed...
      1. +7
        19 September 2024 06: 12
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        So they reformatted it so that for Ukrainians we became cotton wool, Muscovites and separatists who can and should be killed...

        And the Ukrainians - ukrops (the most polite, hasn't been mentioned for a long time), banderas, salo (with all sorts of additions) and many, many more obscene words from our uryakoloks.

        So your words:
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        The West cleverly led the Slavs into a fratricidal war

        absolutely to the point, just don't look at it one-sidedly.
        1. +15
          19 September 2024 06: 36
          I won't raise the source, but it has been written more than once that the Russian State has always been invincible due to the unity of the Slavs. In order to defeat us, the West needs to pit peoples against each other. Which is what is happening. And now this will happen inside the Russian Federation - the indigenous population and those brought in from outside.
          1. 0
            19 September 2024 06: 51
            Quote from: dmi.pris1
            Which is what is happening. And now this will happen inside the Russian Federation - the indigenous population and those brought in from outside.

            Yes.
            The Uriakals nearby are going into hysterics:
            The insidious West, but what did you expect from those who became fascists, Nazis, Banderites, who can and should be killed...


            So the West has successfully treated not only Ukrainians, but also Russians.
            1. +7
              19 September 2024 07: 52
              The insidious West, but what did you expect from those who became fascists, Nazis, Banderites, who can and should be killed...

              What's wrong here...they're going to kill you, and you're offended by the scumbags...it's funny. smile
              1. -1
                19 September 2024 07: 57
                Quote: Lech from Android.
                What's wrong here...they're going to kill you, and you're offended by the scumbags...it's funny.

                So they will kill in response to the senseless actions of the uryakals. Who started all this - and then it suddenly turned out that the enemy is on our territory, and the uryakals continue their uryak from the warmth of Western countries. Or Georgia and Kazakhstan in extreme cases.
                1. +7
                  19 September 2024 08: 32
                  So they will kill in response to the senseless actions of the uryakals. Who started all this - and then it suddenly turned out that the enemy was on our territory

                  Is this Timur Ivanov a bastard?
                  Or Bulgakov?
                  The uryakals have no power...they are not held accountable. smile
                2. +1
                  19 September 2024 09: 12
                  Quote: Vladimir-TTT
                  Quote: Lech from Android.
                  What's wrong here...they're going to kill you, and you're offended by the scumbags...it's funny.

                  So they will kill in response to the senseless actions of the uryakals. Who started all this - and then it suddenly turned out that the enemy is on our territory, and the uryakals continue their uryak from the warmth of Western countries. Or Georgia and Kazakhstan in extreme cases.

                  You don't know another word except "uryakolka"? You, like a child, revel in the repetition of a word you heard for the first time))
                  Who started all this
                  And who started killing children and civilians in 2014? Or does that not count?
                  1. +4
                    19 September 2024 09: 20
                    Quote: BecmepH
                    You don't know another word except "uryakolka"? You, like a child, revel in the repetition of a word you heard for the first time))

                    Does it fit well?
                    Quote: BecmepH
                    And who started killing children and civilians in 2014? Or does that not count?

                    And who were given 8 (eight!!!) years to prepare, arranging all sorts of Minsk agreements and trying to push Donbass back.
                    Doesn't this count either?
                    Or have they forgotten how all of Russia and half of Ukraine asked:
                    - Putin! Bring in the troops!
                    ?
                    1. -6
                      19 September 2024 09: 25
                      Quote: Vladimir-TTT
                      Or have they forgotten how all of Russia and half of Ukraine asked:
                      - Putin! Bring in the troops!

                      I don't remember. And who asked? Crimea asked and got what it wanted.
                      You scold Russia and praise the enemy. So you did not give an assessment of those who bombed the LPR and DPR. You are evading the answer. I understand the course of your petty thoughts. Unfortunately, you are not the only one - there are many of you.
                      I don't see any point in butting heads any longer. I know all the words in advance, because you have the same methodology for everyone. All the best.
                      1. 0
                        19 September 2024 09: 31
                        Quote: BecmepH
                        I don't remember. Who asked?

                        One-day butterfly?
                        And I remember very well.
                        Russian patriots asked for it, the Russian-speaking and simply Russian part of eastern Ukraine asked for it.
                        Quote: BecmepH
                        and praise the enemy.

                        Don't be unfounded - show me where I praise?
                        Am I actually praising the enemy?
                        Combat operations - yes, in many cases the Ukrainian Armed Forces conduct them professionally, sometimes better than the Russian Armed Forces. But this is a statement of facts - you can't underestimate the enemy and try to throw hats at him - we've been through this more than once.
                      2. -5
                        19 September 2024 09: 33
                        Don't be unfounded - show me where I praise?

                        Quote: Vladimir-TTT
                        One-day butterfly?
                        You are talking about yourself. Your memory is short - a couple of lines.
                        So the West has successfully treated not only Ukrainians, but also Russians.
                      3. 0
                        19 September 2024 09: 40
                        Quote: BecmepH
                        So the West has successfully treated not only Ukrainians, but also Russians.

                        and where is the praise of the enemy here?
                        Or do you not see any statement of facts in this expression?
                        Then find that message and read it in full.
                      4. -1
                        19 September 2024 11: 56
                        Quote: Vladimir-TTT
                        Then find that message and read it in full.

                        I read carefully. For you, everything Western is good, and everything Russian is bad. They do everything correctly and well, and we do everything incorrectly and badly. They have smart leaders, and we are all "scumbags".
                      5. -1
                        20 September 2024 09: 46
                        Don't you remember? Don't you remember the thousands-strong rallies in Kharkov? In Nikolaev and in the South-East in general? And how Putin asked to WAIT with the Donbass referendum - do you remember that?
            2. -2
              19 September 2024 08: 46
              Quote: Vladimir-TTT
              Yes.
              The Uriakals nearby are going into hysterics:

              I see our rascal (Bandera's) is everywhere... Figaro here, Figaro there... Your farting in a puddle is funny.
            3. -2
              19 September 2024 09: 08
              Quote: Vladimir-TTT
              So the West has successfully treated not only Ukrainians, but also Russians.

              Do you approve of their work?
              1. +3
                19 September 2024 09: 11
                Quote: BecmepH
                Do you approve of their work?

                I envy their professionalism.
                And I am sad about the lack of it among our authorities and special services.
                In 2013-2014, a lot could have been done with little effort and almost no bloodshed. And a couple of years earlier - completely bloodless.
            4. +5
              19 September 2024 11: 50
              The West has done a good job of treating not only Ukrainians, but Russians as well
              It seems to me that you are not quite right. The fact that Ukrainians have become
              dill (the most polite, hasn't been mentioned for a long time), bandera, lard (with all sorts of additions) and many, many more obscene words
              is not the result of Western indoctrination, but a consequence of the behavior and actions of "non-brothers." No one in Russia, either in 14 or now, walked in torchlight processions and shouted: "Khokslov to knives," etc.
          2. +5
            19 September 2024 07: 38
            Quote from: dmi.pris1
            In order to defeat us, the West needs to pit peoples against each other. Which is what is happening. And now it will happen inside the Russian Federation - a conflict between the indigenous population and those brought in from outside.

            It only remains to find out what preferences will be received by those who came to power today, having privatized the rights to it...
            1. +1
              19 September 2024 07: 45
              They have preferences in the West. But... "Seryozha, you white-eyed pike perch... You've been screwed... K-I-N-U-LI" (C) "Blind Man's Bluff...
          3. +1
            19 September 2024 08: 25
            Crusades against the Slavs were organized as early as the 12th century. According to information that has reached our days, in the film Alexander Nevsky of 1938, Eisenstein embellished everything, the Teutons committed abominations that could not be shown on the screen. The goal of the Crusades was also to prevent the unification of the Slavs, otherwise they would destroy everything. And they succeeded.
        2. +1
          19 September 2024 07: 42
          many, many, many more swear words from our Uriakoloks.

          Well, whose side are you on?
          Ukropov or uryakalok as you put it?
          Or is my house on the edge?
          Otherwise, I see you are very offended by the patriots...in vain.
          1. +6
            19 September 2024 07: 45
            On the Russian side. Only like that. And certainly not on the "Russian" side.
            1. +7
              19 September 2024 07: 49
              I am also on Russian...just don't forget that Vlasov was also Russian...but a traitor in the service of Germany.
              Yeltsin was also a Russian in the service of the USA...he blurted out the phrase God save America to Clinton.
              There are scoundrels and bastards among our people who can only be cured by a rope on an aspen tree.
              So be careful with this. hi
              1. +8
                19 September 2024 09: 16
                Quote: Lech from Android.
                There are scoundrels and bastards among our people who can only be cured by a rope on an aspen tree.

                But the Russian government doesn’t want to introduce rope and aspen.
          2. +5
            19 September 2024 08: 01
            Quote: Lech from Android.

            Otherwise, I see you are very offended by the patriots...in vain.

            I know patriots, I know also hurray-patriots, or hurray-patriots.
            Regarding the latter, your words are quite applicable to them.
            There are scoundrels and bastards among our people who can only be cured by a rope on an aspen tree.

            It is from such people that all sorts of traitors and policemen come into being in real life - they know how to adapt to the situation.
          3. +4
            19 September 2024 08: 04
            The word PATRIOT... There are so many different ones. Often this word is used to describe one's own mistakes, incompetence, stupidity. When they put pressure on patriotism, do you know what happens?
            1. +12
              19 September 2024 08: 38
              The trouble is that people's patriotism is used for their own personal purposes or ambitions by the swindlers in power.
              Recently a similar story thundered with "Goodwin" and "Ernest".
              People who actually gave their lives as volunteers died... the man who sent them to their deaths because of personal hostility towards them is alive, healthy and does not intend to die for the Motherland like them.
              This is how patriotism is killed in people...why fight and die for the interests of crooks.
            2. 0
              24 September 2024 08: 23
              Quote from: dmi.pris1
              When they put pressure on patriotism, do you know what happens?

              If they started talking about patriotism, it means they either stole something or are going to steal it! ((S)M.E. Saltykov-Shchedrin)
          4. -5
            19 September 2024 08: 48
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            Otherwise, I see you are very offended by the patriots...in vain.

            Pan from the tsipsoshny brotherhood. Sits on Soros's allowance. Sucks grants from Soros...
          5. 0
            24 September 2024 08: 18
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            Well, whose side are you on?
            Ukropov or uryakalok as you put it?


            There is no third option? Has it ever occurred to you that these super-mega-ultrapatriots with their hysterical screams cause no less harm than the Ukrainian propaganda?
            P.S. If anything - I am not Ukrainian at all (at least in the foreseeable past). Kursk is my small homeland, and I read the reports from the Kursk region with great bitterness.
        3. -1
          19 September 2024 09: 06
          Quote: Vladimir-TTT
          many, many, many more swear words from our Uriakoloks.

          What do you call them?
          1. 0
            19 September 2024 09: 09
            Quote: BecmepH
            What do you call them?

            Ho h ly. But the browser's auto-replacement is written by Ukrainians.
            1. -3
              19 September 2024 09: 16
              Quote: Vladimir-TTT
              Quote: BecmepH
              What do you call them?

              Ho h ly. But the browser's auto-replacement is written by Ukrainians.

              So we can be called all sorts of names, but we are forbidden to do the same? We are not like them, we are subhuman?
              You stand up for your own.
              And you can't shoot at them?
              1. +2
                19 September 2024 09: 24
                Quote: BecmepH
                So we can be called all sorts of names, but we are forbidden to do the same? We are not like them, we are subhuman?

                Quote what they call you?
                And where do you read this?
                For some reason I don't come across them.
                Quote: BecmepH
                You stand up for your own.

                Of course. For the Russians.
                1. -3
                  19 September 2024 09: 31
                  Quote: Vladimir-TTT
                  Vladimir-TTT
                  (Vladimir)
                  +3
                  Today, 06: 12
                  Quote from Uncle Lee
                  So they reformatted it so that for Ukrainians we became cotton wool, Muscovites and separatists who can and should be killed...

                  ((( You haven't read this?
                  1. +1
                    19 September 2024 09: 37
                    Quote: BecmepH
                    ((( You haven't read this?

                    I read it, of course.
                    So this was our very own Uncle Lee, and he gave this as an example.
                    That is, he says: - they say so.
                    And I asked you specifically:
                    - Quote what they call you?
                    And where do you read this?
                    For some reason I don't come across them.
                    1. -3
                      19 September 2024 11: 54
                      Quote: Vladimir-TTT
                      And I asked you specifically:
                      - Quote what they call you?

                      for Ukrainians we have become cotton wool, Muscovites and separatists,
                      , or are these affectionate words?))
        4. +4
          19 September 2024 09: 44
          Quote: Vladimir-TTT
          absolutely to the point, just don't look at it one-sidedly.

          No, we need to look at it one-sidedly. From the position of a fratricidal war unleashed by the united West and for the benefit of the West.
          The more we kill each other, the more joyfully the West will rub its hands.
          Conclusion - give the West less joy. Yes, you can't escape killing our enemy, otherwise he will kill you. But try to take as many prisoners as possible to save the lives of our sick brothers. They are sick with Nazism, the West infected them with this disease. And our task is to dispose of the incurably sick, and save the rest, if possible.
          They do not understand the reason and meaning of the SVO, they see only the visible factor - they were attacked. And therefore they fulfill the sacred duty of defending the Motherland. And we must understand this. Yes, our fighters on the front lines must hate the enemy, but the hatred must not be blind. For we are fighting brothers who are sick with a terrible disease. And for us, couch fighters, the manifestation of hatred here, in the VO, does not suit us. After the end of the fratricidal war, we are doomed to establish fraternal ties and heal the wounds inflicted on each other. We must do everything so that they, once again, do not fall into the hands of the West.
          1. 0
            20 September 2024 13: 46
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            For we are fighting with brothers who are sick with a terrible disease.
            You haven't seen the light yet.
            We are fighting fascists. And fascism is incurable.
            1. 0
              1 October 2024 09: 47
              Quote: BecmepH

              We are fighting fascists. And fascism is incurable.

              Tell that to the people of the former GDR
              Never did the inhabitants of the central, southern and eastern outskirts suffer from Banderism. Moreover, they treated Banderites extremely negatively.
              But, almost 40 years of anti-Soviet and anti-Russian propaganda have done their job. And on what basis did you decide that anti-Bandera and anti-fascist propaganda will not change anything?
              We just need to take over the media of the Outskirts.
              1. 0
                1 October 2024 12: 10
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                Tell that to the people of the former GDR

                And they didn't demolish the wall?))
                Never did the inhabitants of the central, southern and eastern outskirts suffer from Banderism. Moreover, they treated Banderites extremely negatively.
                So negatively that they twisted a handful of Bandera scum completely)) You are naive. They never liked Russians. And the people themselves cultivated Banderaism. In any case, the overwhelming majority. Even after 2014, when people from the LPR and DPR began to move to Russia, they behaved with the natives defiantly and condescendingly. As if they were of the upper class. For the sake of fairness, it must be said that now in the LPR and DPR the most Russian-Russian people. Especially the younger generation - children of war.
                And on what basis did you decide that anti-Bandera and anti-fascist propaganda will not change anything?
                Decades of Soviet power failed, and now, with the rampant "democracy", you dream of fixing everything)) You are an optimist))
                We just need to take over the media of the Outskirts.
                Aha! The West just gave them to you))
                1. 0
                  1 October 2024 16: 06
                  Quote: BecmepH
                  And they didn't demolish the wall?))

                  I'm surprised you don't want to turn on your brain.
                  How many people in Russia did not support the SVO?
                  This is the same percentage of East Germans who tore down the wall.
                  Quote: BecmepH
                  You are naive. They never liked Russians. And the people themselves cultivated Banderaism. At least the overwhelming majority.

                  And have you experienced this dislike on your own skin?
                  Quote: BecmepH
                  Decades of Soviet power failed, and now, with the rampant "democracy", you dream of fixing everything)) You are an optimist))

                  Never did Soviet propaganda conduct anti-Bandera propaganda in the media. In any case, I have not noticed anything like that since 1967.
                  And the anti-Soviet and anti-Russian began, and I am a witness to this, with the arrival of the hunchback. Calculate how many years it took to reformat the people. Fortunately, not all of them.
                  Quote: BecmepH
                  Aha! The West just gave them to you))

                  With an approach like yours, of course he won’t give it up.
                  1. 0
                    2 October 2024 07: 08
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    I'm surprised you don't want to turn on your brain.
                    How many people in Russia did not support the SVO?
                    This is the same percentage of East Germans who tore down the wall.

                    But your brain is boiling.
                    And how many people did not support SVO? Tell me, please, don't be unfounded.
                    Quote from an article by Ilya Polonsky on the pages of VO dated 03.10.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX.
                    The unification of Germany in 1990 was presented as one of the most impressive results of the "end of the Cold War"... Indeed, a significant part of the population of the GDR perceived the upcoming unification with the FRG with great optimism.
                    Following your logic, a significant part of the Russian population did not support the SVO? Be careful in your statements, my dear.
                    And have you experienced this dislike on your own skin?
                    And have you experienced this love on your own skin? Do you want to say that the Ukrainians adored Russians?)) I'll repeat it again
                    Even after 2014, when people from the LPR and DPR started moving to Russia, they behaved defiantly and condescendingly towards the natives. As if they were of the upper class.
                    This is what I personally encountered. It came down to fists. It was in Perm. Turn on your brain and think!
                    Never before has Soviet propaganda conducted anti-Bandera propaganda in the media.
                    And where did I write about anti-Bandera propaganda? I wrote that
                    The people themselves cultivated Banderaism.
                    and for decades the Soviet government was unable to suppress this infection.
                    With an approach like yours, of course he won’t give it up.
                    And what does my approach have to do with it? The West does everything, even to the detriment of its own people, to crush Russia? Isn't that right? What does this have to do with me?
                    Can you personally influence the West?))
                    1. 0
                      2 October 2024 11: 28
                      Quote: BecmepH

                      Quote from an article by Ilya Polonsky on the pages of VO dated 03.10.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX.

                      This is one person's private view. And another private person has a different view. So what to do?
                      Quote: BecmepH
                      Following your logic, a significant part of the Russian population did not support the SVO?

                      This is your idle logic.
                      Quote: BecmepH

                      Even after 2014, when people from the LPR and DPR started moving to Russia, they behaved defiantly and condescendingly towards the natives. As if they were of the upper class.

                      And other people from the LPR and DPR at the same time shed blood in the fight against the Nazis. Who are we going to look up to? Who are we going to judge? You met one, or two, or even three scoundrels and you judge Ukrainians in general by their behavior. Are you okay?
                      Quote: BecmepH
                      And where did I write about anti-Bandera propaganda? I wrote that
                      The people themselves cultivated Banderaism.
                      and for decades the Soviet government was unable to suppress this infection.

                      And I lived on the Outskirts. And I returned from there in 22. And here you are telling me the dream of a blind mare.
                      Quote: BecmepH
                      And what does my approach have to do with it? The West is doing everything, even to the detriment of its own people, to crush Russia?

                      Yes, it does. And what are we supposed to do, sit back and watch this calmly, like it was in the 90s?
                      We must actively counteract this.
                      That's why SVO.
                      1. 0
                        2 October 2024 12: 04
                        This is one person's private view. And another private person has a different view.
                        Not a very good argument. In 2024, the population of the Earth will continue to increase and by the end of the year will be 8 people. And everyone has their own opinion. So what to do?
                        And how to be?
                        Continue to study the manuals
                        I'm surprised you don't want to turn on your brain.

                        And have you experienced this dislike on your own skin?

                        Are you okay?

                        When a person has no arguments, he resorts to personal attacks and tries to put pressure on his opponent or insult him.
                        I don’t see any point in further arguing with the reader of the manuals, because you don’t have your own thoughts...
                      2. 0
                        2 October 2024 12: 10
                        Quote: BecmepH

                        I don’t see any point in further arguing with the reader of the manuals, because you don’t have your own thoughts...

                        So my experience of more than 40 years of life and work on the Outskirts is not an argument? Then we really have nothing to discuss.
                      3. 0
                        2 October 2024 12: 13
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Quote: BecmepH

                        I don’t see any point in further arguing with the reader of the manuals, because you don’t have your own thoughts...

                        So my experience of more than 40 years of life and work on the Outskirts is not an argument? Then we really have nothing to discuss.

                        Of course! What can you agree on with a purebred hohol?)) You are a troll and a provocateur. And you hate Russia. I have already pointed this out to you before.
                      4. 0
                        2 October 2024 12: 23
                        Quote: BecmepH

                        Of course! What can you agree on with a purebred hohol?)) You are a troll and a provocateur. And you hate Russia. I have already pointed this out to you before.

                        Oh my God, how stupid a person can be.
                      5. 0
                        2 October 2024 15: 57
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Oh my God, how stupid a person can be.

                        When a person has no arguments

                        )))
                      6. 0
                        2 October 2024 18: 54
                        Quote: BecmepH
                        When a person has no arguments

                        Arguments of what? My nationality? Who are you that I should justify myself and prove to you that I am Russian?
                      7. 0
                        3 October 2024 06: 43
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Quote: BecmepH
                        When a person has no arguments

                        Arguments of what? My nationality? Who are you that I should justify myself and prove to you that I am Russian?

                        )))
        5. 0
          24 September 2024 13: 35
          By the way, the term "Bandera, Banderovites" absolutely accurately reflects the situation with the population of the ruins
      2. -4
        19 September 2024 06: 26
        "So they reformatted us so that for Ukrainians we became cotton wool, Muscovites and separatists who can and should be killed..." The insidious West, but what did you expect from those who became fascists, Nazis, Banderites who can and should be killed...
      3. +16
        19 September 2024 07: 34
        But is the main problem the "insidious" West?
        In 14-15 we could have received millions of people loyal to us. In general, not very different in mentality from us. Residents of Kherson and Nikolaev are close in mentality to residents of Krasnodar Krai, residents of Kharkov - to residents of Belgorod...
        But we don't need "easy ways". We "abandoned" them in 14-15 and now we are surprised - why are they fighting us so harshly now. We began to intensively import foreigners and continue to do so, who do not want and will not live by our Secular laws. We have bred diasporas, or, more simply, national organized crime groups, which are already the "first" government for migrants. And migrants in the country are already more than 10% and this does not count the "newly-minted" citizens... And now we "ooh and aah" at how "treacherous" the West is...
        1. +12
          19 September 2024 08: 16
          But we don't need "easy ways".

          "Moves curves digs
          Underground clever mole.
          Normal heroes
          Always go around!
          Normal heroes
          Always go around!

          Bypass go, of course,
          Not very easy.
          Not very nice
          And very far away!
          Not very nice
          And very far away!

          But they do so
          Only the wise men.
          With a detour approach
          Only the brave!

          Fools, hero of the system,
          Rush forward
          Normal heroes
          Always the opposite.
          Normal heroes
          Always the opposite.

          And we are off the curve
          Do not turn back
          And it will be necessary again
          Let's go the crooked way!
          And it will be necessary again
          Let's go the crooked way!"(c)
          1. +8
            19 September 2024 08: 18
            A life poem. It characterizes the reality in our country.
            1. +12
              19 September 2024 08: 20
              A poem about life
              Rather prophetic...written in 1966...for the film Aibolit-66
            2. +3
              19 September 2024 08: 21
              Pirates' song from "Aibolit 66"...
          2. +6
            19 September 2024 09: 28
            They can't even go around normally here. Yes hi
            1. +5
              19 September 2024 09: 35
              hi It is clear that going around is not very easy. Difficulties are encountered constantly. laughing
        2. -11
          19 September 2024 09: 20
          Quote: Vladimir M
          But is the main problem the "insidious" West?
          In 14-15 we could have received millions of people loyal to us. In general, not very different in mentality from us. Residents of Kherson and Nikolaev are close in mentality to residents of Krasnodar Krai, residents of Kharkov - to residents of Belgorod...
          But we don't need "easy ways". We "abandoned" them in 14-15 and now we are surprised - why are they fighting us so harshly now. We began to intensively import foreigners and continue to do so, who do not want and will not live by our Secular laws. We have bred diasporas, or, more simply, national organized crime groups, which are already the "first" government for migrants. And migrants in the country are already more than 10% and this does not count the "newly-minted" citizens... And now we "ooh and aah" at how "treacherous" the West is...

          You feel bad in Russia. So why don't you go somewhere better? To where they do everything right? Or are your selfish interests stronger?
          1. +6
            19 September 2024 09: 49
            Why should I go anywhere from my country?
            The thing is that such "mines" have been planted under the Russian State that when they explode, it will be a nightmare. And now the question is no longer whether they will explode or not, but when they will explode. And here, first of all, it is no longer "the merit" of the insidious West.
            1. -5
              19 September 2024 12: 03
              Quote: Vladimir M
              Why should I go anywhere from my country?

              Because everything is bad for you here. Is it comfortable for you to live among the "Uriakoloks?"
              You are from the Makarevich breed. You don't like any regime. You are like an old grumpy granny at the entrance. It is not interesting to argue with you. You say one thing, and then start to dodge and present your words differently. You do not substantiate your point of view, but start to attack. And you think that you are on top. Funny))
              Until!
        3. +4
          19 September 2024 12: 21
          Many people are now saying that in 2014 it would have been very easy to take almost all of Ukraine. But it seems to me that there are nuances here. Firstly, we don’t know much. We have no information about all sorts of conversations and negotiations at the highest level. It is quite possible that there were some threats and blackmail from the West, up to and including a military conflict. Secondly, the outskirts were not, and still are, an independent state. They followed and continue to follow the West’s orders. I don’t think the West would have said then: to hell with them, with these $11 trillion worth of mineral resources, with the land, with the biolabs and military bases, etc. That is, a military conflict, in my opinion, was inevitable. Moreover, the West would have taken a more active part in this conflict than it is now, since the Ukrainian Armed Forces were frankly weak at that time. And our Armed Forces were not strong enough to successfully resist NATO.
          So all this talk about a loyal population and weak Ukrainian Armed Forces can be discussed somewhere in the kitchen or in the smoking room.
          1. +2
            19 September 2024 12: 29
            In 14-15, the business interests of the Surkovs, Poroshenkos, Medvedchuks "won"...
            It is far from certain that the Russian Army in 14-15 was weaker than the Army of 22. What does reality say?
            The West will not go into a direct military conflict with Russia now and would not have done so then. After Crimea they did not even "move"
            There are no "independent" countries in the world at all.
            But there was no need to take all of Ukraine, only "their" regions. And leave the hemorrhoids in the form of Western Ukraine to the Poles...
            1. 0
              20 September 2024 13: 55
              Quote: Vladimir M

              The West will not go into a direct military conflict with Russia now and would not have done so then. After Crimea they did not even "move"

              The most ironic thing about criticism of the Russian army is that it is often compared to the combined army of NATO. How can the army of one country, even a superpower, be stronger than the combined army of 30 countries, one of which is a superpower? Moreover, this dispute is purely rhetorical.
            2. 0
              2 October 2024 11: 38
              [quote=Vladimir M
              But there was no need to take all of Ukraine, only "their" regions. And leave the hemorrhoids in the form of Western Ukraine to the Poles...
              [/ Quote]
              And where will you put the central outskirts? Well, if you think so, Donbass and Novorossiya to Russia, Galicia to the Poles, and the rest?
              1. 0
                2 October 2024 12: 51
                I think we need to take the east, south and north of Ukraine. Galicia - definitely to the Poles, they can't be "remade" anymore. The center of Ukraine could remain Ukraine itself. And then the remaining Ukraine would no longer be a problem for Russia. Over time, the remaining Ukraine would return to Russia, but "peacefully". hi
                1. 0
                  2 October 2024 12: 53
                  Quote: Vladimir M
                  I think we need to take the east, south and north of Ukraine.

                  Ah, well if that's the case then hi
        4. 0
          24 September 2024 13: 38
          "could have done it in 14-15..." If only...
    2. +9
      19 September 2024 06: 51
      Quote from turembo
      Ashots and Gurgens are standing and smiling

      Ashots and Gurgens have long been, like flesh and blood, the most solid Russians!
      But the Muhammads, Abdurakhmons, Fotims and Oishs - not so much yet. Well, that's also a temporary issue.
  4. -7
    19 September 2024 05: 48
    New Zealand mercenary O'Brien openly threatens to kill our correspondents in the Kursk region.
    The impudence is beyond measure... Mr. Putin, do something so that such Nazis do not live long... do not show tolerance to their lives.
  5. +11
    19 September 2024 05: 54
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Mr. Putin do something

    laughing He's already left... He'll do something...
    1. +9
      19 September 2024 06: 14
      Quote: Medvedev_Dmitry
      He's already left... He'll do something...

      To the women's summit...
      He's already tired of this SVO - let the governors deal with it.
      1. +11
        19 September 2024 07: 18
        He's already fed up with this SVO - let the governors deal with it

        And maybe they told him that this SVO ended long ago, and as we know, he is a trusting person...
        1. +8
          19 September 2024 07: 55
          As we know, he is a trusting person.

          I counted...at least 4 times his partners screwed him over with the contracts. what
          Cool for a former KGB colonel...something doesn't add up here.
          1. +8
            19 September 2024 08: 06
            ...something doesn't add up here.

            I don't know who said, "If someone deceived me once, then he is simply a dishonest person, but if he deceives me constantly, then it is me.... (then you yourself)
          2. 0
            20 September 2024 09: 56
            My opinion on this topic is that anyone can be fooled once or twice.
            If a person is deceived three or four times, he is a loser, a dunce, a blockhead, not fit for the position he holds.
            When a person IN A HIGH POSITION is deceived not three or four times (and Putin was “deceived” more), then we can no longer talk about deception - but about the fact that the person is an ACCOMPLICE, an ACCOMPLICE.
    2. +1
      19 September 2024 09: 29
      To the next forum/summit or Azerbaijan/Mongolia. laughing
  6. +7
    19 September 2024 06: 42
    V.I. Lenin in his work "Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism", 109 years ago wrote that capitalism has reached its highest stage of development - imperialism and the further, the worse, a bright future will not come.. If what is happening now in the world and on the territory of the former USSR is a bright present.., then it will be even worse.. in the sense of brighter.. capitalism with imperialism, is evolving into communism... caveman.. Forward, into the past...
    1. +2
      19 September 2024 10: 10
      "And under communism everything will be for....(good)
      It will come soon - you just have to wait
      Everything will be free there, everything will be fun there.
      There probably won't be any need to die at all
      I woke up in the middle of the night and realized that-

      Everything is going according to plan..." ("Civil Defense")
  7. BAI
    +7
    19 September 2024 07: 06
    The President kicked Kyiv especially beautifully:

    “…to discuss confidentially with senior government officials the humanitarian consequences of the international armed conflict between Russia and Ukraine, as well as the ongoing armed conflicts in Myanmar, Gaza and Sudan.”

    Ukraine, which has been shouting “the whole world is with us” for many years, has been equated with Sudan, Myanmar and Gaza.

    and Russia too
    1. +1
      19 September 2024 18: 36
      As the experience of the war over 2 years has shown, after battles with the Nazis, only ruins remain from the cities where the Banderites were expelled, and the residents say that the militants deliberately shoot at the surviving houses with tank guns before retreating. So what state will Kyiv be in when it is liberated? Maybe they should destroy this city, along with its leadership, immediately, without waiting for the fatal end, then perhaps the war will end faster. To inflict a defeat up to a nuclear strike. So that there are no illusions about Russia's determination to win the war.
      1. 0
        19 September 2024 18: 55
        They jumped and skipped on the Maidan and shouted: "Hang the Muscovite," but apparently they didn't take into account that Russia is a nuclear power capable of using this weapon in practice. You see, those seeking adventures along the way will quiet down, both locally and abroad. And the number of military registration and enlistment offices with zealous military commissars will decrease.
  8. +6
    19 September 2024 07: 30
    Of course, I understand that now those who like to hide their heads in the sand will give me minuses, but it is obvious that the roots of the problem are in the gross mistake of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which allowed the UN to recognize Russia as an aggressor country, which should never have been allowed, and there were opportunities for this. Formally, the requirements of various conventions apply to all parties to the conflict, but their violation in relation to the aggressor is traditionally closed to. And now, be indignant or not... :((
    1. +9
      19 September 2024 07: 50
      Quote from solar
      The roots of the problem lie in the gross mistake of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which allowed the UN to recognize Russia as an aggressor country, which should never have been allowed, and there were opportunities for this.

      The Russian Foreign Ministry only announces to the world the strategic line being pursued in the Kremlin.
      The whole problem with Russia is that the "upper" government certainly wants to create some kind of job for itself in the country, preparing a "cushy job" somewhere in Europe or some other West in advance. That is why from year to year we cannot hear a clear answer: when and who will answer for what has been done in the country and why does the government so stubbornly ignore the demands of the population and wipe its feet on them?
      That is why they in the Kremlin want to return to the time when they would be understood and forgiven.
      But fighting the enemies of the country, who have set themselves the ultimate goal of destroying the Russian people, cannot be done by puffing out one's cheeks and expressing discontent...
      Dangerous to health...
    2. +3
      19 September 2024 07: 51
      This is a consequence, not the roots. They are more significant before this recognition and deeper.
    3. 0
      19 September 2024 12: 07
      which should never have been allowed, and there were opportunities for this.

      Which ones?
      Are you putting the UN on the same level as the average Russian who will eat anything?
      1. 0
        19 September 2024 12: 09
        It would have been entirely possible to prevent the transfer of the issue from the Security Council, which has the right of veto, to the General Assembly, which does not have such a right. But this, it seems, came as a complete surprise to the Foreign Ministry.
        1. 0
          19 September 2024 12: 16
          I am NOT strong in UN bureaucracy and do not really understand how. Perhaps they were.

          But it’s generally funny that the deep establishment comes up with all sorts of thoughts about how to get out of it and get away with it, but no thoughts like, maybe it wasn’t worth starting?
          1. -1
            19 September 2024 13: 29

            But it’s generally funny that the deep establishment comes up with all sorts of thoughts about how to get out of it and get away with it, but no thoughts like, maybe it wasn’t worth starting?

            And it can be followed by a completely seditious thought “to return to how it was”, so you can’t think such a thought :((
  9. +10
    19 September 2024 07: 54
    Another explanation of why we are losing the information war. They are evil and insidious, and we are kind and noble. Of course, to shout so much about trials and not hold a single one, when the criminals were in their hands... To arrange an open trial, apparently one suitcase with evidence was not enough, but they simply took, carried out an exchange, for the "anti-fascist" of all times and peoples. If the trial had been held, it would have been different.
  10. 0
    19 September 2024 08: 26
    Reformatting brains is exactly what Goebbels did and did very well. They simply did not have enough resources back then due to overestimation of their own strength.

    In general, the logic of human thinking sometimes baffles me - probably precisely because of the different format of brains. Two Slavic peoples beat each other to death, destroy their economies, sometimes even deny the people the right to exist, but for some reason many believe that some third forces are to blame - either the Anglo-Saxons or the Jews. The peoples themselves have nothing to do with it, and their authorities have nothing to do with it, and the ruling classes have nothing to do with it, but the insidious West is to blame for everything. At the same time, everyone benefits from what is happening, except for the direct participants - suppliers of weapons, gas, oil, missiles and medicines.

    Logic would dictate that if a third party is to blame for all of this, then these two Slavic nations are basically idiots. But that is certainly not the case.
  11. -2
    19 September 2024 08: 46
    Russia should now be the same as the West in one thing. It should also now be absolutely "violet" how many crested steeds die in this Banderaism. Preferably, the more, the better. There, the ideology of Russophobia has already become a new kind of Nazism, more terrible for Russia than Hitler's Nazism, therefore Russia should make every effort, like the USSR during the Great Patriotic War, to solve the problem - the more Nazis are disposed of, the safer it is for Russia.
    In order to avoid Stalin's mistakes made after the USSR's victory in the Great Patriotic War after Russia's victory in the North-Eastern Front, we must not stoop to the level of "spiritual virtues" as Stalin took pity on Germany after the Victory over Germany. Stalin made the first step partially correctly and simply annexed part of Prussia, the nest of Rus''s enemies since the time of the Teutonic Order, to the USSR. It's too bad that only part, there was no need to give the other part to Poland. And I want to note that neither Europe turned upside down because Prussia disappeared, nor did the United States become stutterers because of it. A minimum of time passed and everyone got used to it. And there were enough people, demographic resources, to resettle a sufficient number of Russians to the current Kaliningrad region after the Great Patriotic War, so that there would be enough people there and in a couple of decades even the stench of German Nazism would disappear there. Stalin's mistake is that with the opening of the second front the USSR created a situation in which it was impossible to repeat the same thing with all of Germany that was done with Prussia. Stalin did not have the foresight to do it, and the goat in the face of the USA was already thrown into the "garden". So, the same thing that Stalin did with Prussia and should have done with
    all of Germany, the same will have to be done by the ruler of Russia after the Victory of Russia in the North-Eastern Front. Moreover, the Russians will not demand that the former Russophobes-Banderovites and other surviving jumpers take off their hats when they see Russians or hear the Russian language. Three decades after the Victory of the USSR in the Great Patriotic War, I crossed the length and breadth of the Kaliningrad region, and I did not feel the former stench of German Nazism anywhere, just as I did not see Russian arrogance in front of the Germans living there and
    and their descendants.
  12. +6
    19 September 2024 08: 59
    It's just a fact of life, unfortunately.
    Provocations are commonplace
    I came across this somewhere: "Provocations always exist and will exist. Both from our own and from strangers. You can always say: "We saw that they were clearly not transporting humanitarian aid", "you blew it up yourself", "it was flying past, and you started shooting it down, so it turned the wrong way", "it was debris that fell"
    One can recall a lot of cases of similar statements."
    etc.
    I remember, even United Russia had long ago scared him with the image of an "orange revolution activist" and then invited him to the Kremlin, they discussed something for a long time...
    and then the activist demonstratively invited the opposition to his place, blah-blah about nothing, and there the hurray-reporters were already waiting for them....
  13. +1
    19 September 2024 09: 09
    Zelensky can afford such a brazen statement, even despite the fact that the Russian press has already reported several times on the preparation of such a provocation.
    And what Jew felt sorry for the Russians? Remember Trotsky.
  14. +4
    19 September 2024 09: 20
    This is exactly the case when the comments are more interesting than the article.
  15. +3
    19 September 2024 09: 37
    Ukraine, ..., equated to Sudan, Myanmar and Gaza

    what's wrong with Sudan? or Myanmar? (Gaza is ok, a special case)...
    The author thinks these countries are "not first class", right?
    Well, here's bad news for Staver: he's infected with the virus of "CEo-European exceptionalism", i.e. banal Nazism-racism.
  16. +1
    19 September 2024 10: 20
    I never thought that the dancers and I are so different. Geography is close, language is similar, you can't tell people apart outwardly, unless you grow a forelock, we drink and eat the same thing, but in our heads there are completely different things. We forgive, they accumulate anger, we are open, they carry a viper in their bosom, we are ready to share a crust of bread - and that in half, they "tiльki to themselves" ... Previously, these differences did not hurt the eye, but now everything has stuck out. And now I don't give a damn about them.
  17. +2
    19 September 2024 12: 22
    I was actually reading it now and thought it was Podymov's pen, so loud and juicy in the title and murky-long-winded-florid inside. But then - Staver! Oh, I didn't expect it.
    Seriously, either I'm stupid or I didn't understand a damn thing about the subject - it's absolutely impossible to understand from the article what happened, what's the fuss about? Author, damn, you should have briefly described the subject first and then angrily branded and condemned it. There's a lot of news now and writing an article assuming that everyone already knows and condemns it is a big assumption.
  18. +2
    19 September 2024 13: 18
    Staver leaves the most repulsive impression. Even propaganda does not necessarily have to be indecent
  19. +1
    19 September 2024 14: 41
    The author (as usual) contradicts himself. Yes, the West wants to destroy us all, and at the same time has no complexes at all, killing some of its own. This is its, the West's, method of life. Based on the fact that every person lives to cause himself as many pleasant sensations as possible. Therefore, the victims in the Red Cross convoy are absolutely unimportant to them. If only they had killed two-thirds of the population of Germany... however, they do not feel sorry for the Germans either.
    And then - ah, a visit from another talking head from the West, ah, how important, oh, she'll see here... Alexander, I don't care what she'll see here! And I don't care what they're talking about! They should be kept in quarantine for a month, not allowed out of the toilets! You never know what kind of infection this president will bring...
    The only thing that matters is how quickly and how completely we win in Ukraine. And how thoroughly we finish off all the Western personnel who ended up there, including the subordinates of this president, who are climbing there exclusively for the purpose of reconnaissance and terror (the first time, perhaps?)
    We'll win, and we'll be able to wipe our asses with their opinion. No, they'll wipe their asses with us. There are no halftones there...
  20. 0
    23 September 2024 09: 45
    Russians and Ukrainians, it is not worth saying together. Maybe these are evil Anglo-Saxons, 30 years, participated in the politics of the union and fraternal state, only at the level of cutting up gas flows? We ourselves have fallen in love with Ukraine, allowing public opinion and Nazi ideas to be formed for 30 years, and all this right next door. I wonder why it was the West that pulled off the coup and brought the Nazis to power, while we, despite much better intelligence and residency capabilities, lost control? Because no one was doing this at all. The same Chernomyrdin, only sawed gas and sawed it ineptly. Anglo-Saxons and Europeans have always pulled what was lying around. Now there are no fraternal nations. An entire generation has grown up and the second is growing up, on such heroes as Bandera and Shukhevych. It is impossible to turn the mincemeat back. During the Great Patriotic War, hell until 42, the line was drawn that the German proletarians would soon stick their bayonets into the ground, so what? Such illusions are dangerous. Denazification should be carried out according to the patterns of post-war Germany and based on the fact that the entire population is Nazi.
  21. 0
    24 September 2024 13: 40
    How much tsipsa has run up, just like always!
  22. 0
    25 September 2024 22: 58
    Start with the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, with nationalization. With Nabiullina, with Gref and other Siluanovs.