What killed Stalin

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Stalin did not go into the past, he disappeared into our future, as it does not grieve for many.
French writer Pierre Courtad


5 March 1953, the leader of the Red Empire, Joseph Stalin died. According to the official conclusion, death occurred as a result of hemorrhage in the brain. 1 in March of Stalin, lying on the floor in the small dining room of the Middle Villas (this was one of the government residences), was discovered by security officer Lozgachev. In the morning of March 2, doctors arrived at the Middle Cottage and diagnosed paralysis of the right side of the body. March 4 in the USSR was announced about the illness of the leader, published and radioed bulletins about his health. 5 March, Stalin's death was announced.

March 6 Stalin's body was put up for parting in the Hall of Columns of the House of Unions. At the tomb of Joseph Vissarionovich in the honor guard the leaders of the Communist Party and the Soviet government carried mourning: Malenkov, Beria, Molotov, Khrushchev, Voroshilov, Bulganin, Kaganovich and Mikoyan. They were joined by leading politicians from allied and friendly states: Premier of the PRC State Council Zhou Enlai, 1 General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Mongolian People’s Revolutionary Party and head of the Council of Ministers of Mongolia Yumzhagin Tsedenbal, the leader of the Communist Party and president of the Czechoslovak Clement Gottwald, head of the Czechoslovak Council of Ministers, head of the Mongolian People’s Revolutionary Party Take, the head of the Hungarian government Mathias Rakosi, the leader of the Bulgarian Communist Party and the chairman of the government Vylko Chervenkov, the Secretary General of the Romanian Workers Party and the head of the Romanian government, George Gheorghiu-Dej, the secretary general of the Italian Communist Party, Palmiro Tolyatti, the first secretary of the Central Committee of the Socialist Unified Party of Germany, Walter Ulbricht, and other prominent figures.

The military, workers and peasants, representatives of various working groups, peoples of the USSR and peoples who were part of the socialist bloc (Mongols, Koreans, Chinese, Poles, Hungarians, Czechs, Slovaks, Romanians, etc.) said farewell to Stalin. Moscow was filled with people who were waiting for their goodbyes. To illuminate the night streets and squares were included spotlights mounted on trucks. Delegations from various Soviet regions, Beijing, Warsaw, Bucharest, Prague, Tirana arrived on Moscow by plane and train. 9 March 1953, the funeral of JV Stalin was held in Red Square in the Soviet capital. The embalmed body of Stalin was placed on public display in the Lenin's Mausoleum (it was called the “Mausoleum of V.I. Lenin and I.V. Stalin” in 1953 — 1961).

According to many researchers, Stalin was killed. If the doctors were called immediately after the paralyzed leader was discovered, he could have been saved. Among the perpetrators of the death of Stalin called Beria, Malenkov and Khrushchev. In recent years, there have been many works about Stalin, both frankly deceitful and filled with hatred for this great man, as well as truthful, trying to unleash the rubble of lies and untruth from his grave. Among them are the works of V. Dorofeev, A. Martirosyan, Yu. Mukhin, V. Karpov, G. Sidorov and other researchers. In particular, the Hero of the Soviet Union (1944), the writer Vladimir Karpov revised his views on Stalin. In The Shot Marshals, the writer who himself as a cadet in 1941, under a denunciation, was repressed and acquitted after several months of service as a member of a penal company, denounced Joseph Stalin as the organizer of mass repression, which resulted in the destruction of the main command personnel of the Red Army, especially the top management. And he concluded that by the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, the USSR was left, in fact, without experienced commanders. However, in the book "Generalissimo" (2002 year) Karpov turned to 180 degrees and began to argue the need for repression to defeat the "fifth column" in the USSR.

To understand why Stalin was killed, it suffices to recall the main achievements of the USSR under his rule. It is obvious that all external enemies of the USSR were interested in his premature death. Russia was close to becoming the absolute leader of humanity. This led Western civilization to catastrophe and death.

Under Stalin, the Armed Forces were created, which, despite the severity of 1941-1942 military catastrophes, withstood the best army in the world at that time, and then surpassed it and managed to defeat Nazi Germany with its allies Italy, Finland, Hungary, Romania, Slovakia. Smashed and militaristic Japan. Under Stalin, the foundations of the power of the Soviet army were laid, which allowed and still allow the majority of the inhabitants of the Russian civilization to live in peace.

Under Stalin, illiteracy among the population of Russia-the USSR was eliminated, and the possibility of arbitrarily high education was provided for all people, without exception, regardless of their social or national origin. Under Stalin, there was such a serious rise in the cultural development of the Soviet population that we can talk about the cultural revolution and the beginning of the formation of a new human culture that leads humanity to the future, to the stars. At the same time, there was a rapid growth in the intellectual, scientific potential of the Soviet people, physical culture and sport spread en masse, which made Soviet (Russian) people the most intelligent and healthy nation on the planet. In the USSR, such an atmosphere of military, scientific romanticism was created (it is enough to recall Chkalov, the epic of the Chelyuskins) that in 1939-1940. competition in aviation and naval military schools had over 100 people in place.

Stalin fully contributed to the development of science and technology, the introduction of new technologies. Suffice it to recall that under him the US atomic monopoly was abolished, and the USSR began to take the lead in this advanced area in a number of directions. The foundation was laid for leadership in space research and space exploration. So, the glory of man’s entry into space was inherited by Khrushchev without justification. Man’s flight into space was already discussed with 1946 of the year, and the decision about him was made by Joseph Stalin in 1951.

Under Stalin in the USSR, crisis-free development of the national economy was organized, which gave mankind an example of alternative development of the economy, without usurious loan interest, parasitizing some countries over others and exploiting the rich masses. Therefore, the USSR could even provide assistance to countries that had just entered the socialist path of development. This made it possible to restore the country and in a very short time after the worst World War II. And there was something to restore - 2000 of large cities and 100000 settlements, which lay in ruins, or were completely destroyed. Moreover, they restored not only factories and plants, infrastructure, but also housing for 25 million people (!) Who lost it. The USSR became a country where, after a terrible war, they began annually reducing the prices of basic food products and manufactured goods, while the incomes of the population grew!

What killed Stalin


The rapid development of the Soviet national economy scarecrow masters of the West. No one in the world expected that after such an extremely cruel war, the USSR would restore its economy in such a short time. In fact, by the beginning of 1948, the recovery phase was completed, which allowed the card system to be canceled and monetary reform implemented. For comparison, England, in whose territory the war did not go through with a devastating whirlwind, could not cancel cards at the beginning of the 1950s. The very first post-war five-year plan, despite all the difficulties of this time, literally broke all previous records. Already in the beginning of the 1950s in the West, people began to look at the economic development of the USSR with fear. American presidential candidate Stevenson said that if production growth in the USSR persists, then by 1970, the Soviet production volume in 3-4 will surpass the American one. And in 1953, the American magazine "Business Business" in the article "Russians are catching up with us ..." reported that in terms of the growth of economic power, the Soviet Union is ahead of any state. Moreover, the economic growth rate in the Soviet state in 2-3 is higher than in the United States. Economic superiority led to military-political, which forced the West to surrender to the mercy of building socialism in the visible future.

Aleksey Chichkin in his article “A Forgotten Idea Without a Statute of Limitation” in Rossiyskaya Gazeta reported that 3 - 12 on April 1952 of the Soviet capital had a very important geopolitical international economic meeting. On it, the Soviet Union, the CMEA and China proposed to form, as opposed to the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) and the expansion of the United States, a common market for goods, services and investments, without the US dollar. Iran, India, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Syria, Ethiopia, Uruguay, and Yugoslavia showed great interest in the “dollarless” space. The Western countries who have abandoned the Marshall Plan - Finland, Sweden, Austria, Iceland, Ireland have shown interest in this idea. It should be noted that even in 1951, the countries - members of the CMEA and China expressed the need for closer cooperation between those countries that do not want to obey the dollar, which means the United States, and the dictates of pro-American trade and financial structures.

Moscow at the 1952 meeting proposed a phased transition to new relations: first, bilateral and multilateral agreements with similar conditions (on price, customs, credit issues and benefits, commodity quotas), and then the gradual unification of foreign economic policy bases and the development of a “general block” free trade. At the final stage, an interstate payment unit with an obligatory gold basis should have appeared (the ruble had a good chance of becoming such a currency, which had been transferred to the gold standard in advance) and, accordingly, the actual establishment of a common market. With some additions, this idea was supported by the majority of the meeting participants, except for the American allies (vassals). After Stalin’s death, Moscow and most other CMEA countries moved away from the foreign economic ideology of 1952, preferred bilateral economic and political ties, where political and ideological factors often dominated rather than economic interests. In addition, from the middle of the 1960-s, the USSR began to supply its geopolitical opponents with cheap energy and industrial raw materials, in fact, handing over the idea and plan of its political and economic domination in Eurasia (and the world) to the archive.

One of the main factors that determines the stability of the financial and monetary system of the state, its reliability as a borrower, is the presence and size of the state gold reserve. The gold reserve can also be called the yardstick of the leaders of the state. 1928, in the Soviet Union, only 150 tons of state gold remained. And the annual production of gold was equal to 20 tons. For comparison, in 1914 there was 1400 t of this precious metal, and by October 1917, the Russian state had a gold reserve of about 1100 tons. As a result of the civil war, reparation payments, the sale of gold at low prices for the purchase of various goods (for example, 60 tons of gold were paid to the British and the Swedes for 200 locomotives) by 1923 in the country there was a reserve of about 400 tons. When the course of industrialization was adopted, the Soyuzzoloto trust was established in 1927, personally Joseph Stalin personally appointed Serebrovsky I left an ambitious goal: (!) over the five years to go for the extraction of the precious metal in the first place in the world (the then leader of the Transvaal - now the Province of South Africa - mined annually 300 tons). In addition, the precious metal in the country was collected through the TORGSIN store system, where scarce goods were sold for currency and gold, and confiscations for speculation in gold.

As a result, gold production was raised to 310-320 tons per year. True, the leaders of gold mining did not, because Transvaal increased it to 400 tons per year. It should be noted that from that time Moscow was not selling so much gold - only about 300 t, the rest went to the reserve. Yes, and spent the gold much more wisely, it bought the equipment for the 10 industrial giants. By the beginning of World War II, the Soviet Union had a record for the Russian stories stock in 2 800 t (exceeding twice the maximum royal). This stock has contributed to the victory in the Great War and the restoration of the destroyed economy. Dying, Stalin left the successors "stash" in 2 500 tons. Interesting is the fate of the “Stalinist stash” under his successors. Khrushchev and Brezhnev were squandering - 1 600 t remained after the “corncob”, after the author of the “Lesser Land” - 437 t. Andropov and Chernenko were more zealous owners, with them the stock rose to 719 t. Gorbachev destroyed the gold reserves of the Red Empire - Russian Federation from the USSR passed all 290 tons. It should be noted that at that time 220 tons of gold per year were mined only in the RSFSR. Putin got 384 tons, by 2011, the stock has grown to 852 tons.

Stalin challenged the possibility of the United States to parasitize on the sale of the dollar (paper). 1 March 1950 was published in Soviet newspapers by the Soviet Government decree on the discontinuation of the determination of the exchange rate of the ruble against foreign currencies on the basis of the American dollar. The Soviet ruble was transferred to a stable gold base, its gold content in 0,222168 grams of pure gold was established. From 1 in March, the purchase price of the State Bank for gold in 4 rubles was set. 45 cop for 1 gr pure gold. Based on the gold content of the ruble, the exchange rate was set for foreign currencies: for 1 US dollar 4 ruble (instead of former 5 p. 30 cop.), For 1 pound sterling - 11 rub. 20 kop. (instead of 14 R.84 cop.). The exchange rate has also changed for other foreign currencies. Later, a similar focus with the United States will turn on the “last great Frenchman,” General de Gaulle. He will collect 750 million paper dollars in France and in the 1967 year during an official visit to the States with a scandal, but he will exchange paper for gold (the gold standard was still maintained in the USA). In Paris, de Gaulle brought almost 66,5 tons of gold. True, for him personally it ended badly. Already in May, the 1968 of the year "began" the famous student unrest, which led to the resignation of the general. 9 November 1970, Charles de Gaulle died suddenly from aortic rupture.

In the field of providing the population with housing it was under Stalin that in 1952, a program of industrial construction, mass housing construction, was adopted. This program was recorded in the merits of Khrushchev. However, the “merit” of Khrushchev was that he reduced the ceiling height of apartments from 3 meters to 2.25 (according to the American standard), reduced the area, reduced the number of floors from 12-16 floors to 5, removed balconies, elevators, and garbage disposal, combined bathrooms and toilets and reduced the lifespan of housing — from 100 years to less than 50.

Stalin was a global politician and high-class manager, which allowed him to split Western civilization and, in the war with the German bloc, receive help from another part of the West. Moreover, Stalin was able to outplay the "world behind the scenes" and after the war the USSR became even stronger, expanded, created its own socialist bloc. He worked on 12-15 hours a day. He knew and tracked all the leading scientific and technical developments. He knew by name and patronymic of all managers of enterprises, leading scientists, designers and other people employed in important posts in the field of management, science and culture. He tried to delve into all aspects of life and life of people. He knew and understood the role of art, theater, cinema, literature, poetry in shaping the consciousness of man and society as a whole. Stalin watched movies, regularly went to the theater, tracked the output of literary works, giving his instructions. Thus, the Soviet people were protected from informational "viruses", other people's programs.

Stalin was very hard on asking managers. They received many benefits: apartments, company cars, cottages, special rations, special maintenance, etc. But there was also a great demand from them, there were no "untouchables". Modern Russian researcher Yuri Mukhin in his popular book “Stalin's murderers. The main secret of the 20th century ”(2007) suggested that shortly before his death, the Soviet leader began to prepare a reform of the party, which was to remove the party rule from state power. The Communist Party was supposed to educate the people. This was the main (internal) motive for the murder of Stalin. Khrushchev and other party members did not want to lose power, because she gave them unprecedented privileges and material well-being.
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  1. +51
    5 March 2013 08: 59
    "Stalin asked the managers very harshly. They received many benefits: apartments, official cars, summer cottages, special rations, special services, etc. But the demand from them was great, there were no" untouchables "." - the carrot and stick principle!
    Ours would be so ..........
    1. +14
      5 March 2013 10: 53
      There are many guesses and assumptions about Khrushchev's conspiracy with the amorphous "bureaucratic army" and the ban on the development of high-ranking officials by the special services.

      Isn't the reason for the current state of affairs in such a connection between the temporary workers?
      1. Indigo
        +15
        5 March 2013 21: 36
        Quote: Astrey
        There are many guesses and assumptions about Khrushchev's conspiracy with the amorphous "bureaucratic army" and the ban on the development of high-ranking officials by the special services.

        how the former opera of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Soviet era will tell you in the affirmative - yes there was a ban on taking party cones into the operational development, but we were required to get information from the party control and the deep drilling office, and how did they implement it?
        I would also like to draw your attention to such a fact as the ban at the beginning of 90. Cooperatives "coward" - that was a klondike for robbing state enterprises for a deficit ... the thieves began to feast and already with the money they wanted the authorities, Bp. their mother ...
        1. +6
          6 March 2013 00: 34
          Quote: Indigo
          as a former opera of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Soviet era I’ll tell you in the affirmative - yes there was a ban on taking party cones into the operational development


          but that doesn’t mean that your neighbors did not follow them wink


          Quote: Indigo
          I would also like to draw your attention to such a fact as the ban at the beginning of the 90's.


          at the beginning of the 90's, Soviet police were no longer there.
      2. +5
        6 March 2013 14: 37
        I recommend reading on this topic Bushkov A. two-volume "Red Monarch" and "Ice Throne", as well as E. Prudnikova "Khrushchev. Fathers of Terror." You will learn a lot of interesting things. soldier
        1. +5
          6 March 2013 18: 13
          Anyone interested in this stage in the history of the country and trying to analyze and study various sources of information comes to the conclusion that the repressions of 37-38 took place against the wishes of I.V. Stalin. The repressions were generated by the regional elite, the so-called "old guard", who are afraid of losing power. Stalin managed to turn the tide, according to the principle "You can not stop the movement, lead it" and eliminate most of the initiators of repression. Only now I overlooked Khrushchev.
          1. +1
            7 March 2013 11: 42
            All the same, it’s funny for you guys. When it comes to achievements, they are all attributed personally to Comrade Stalin. Well, if there are "local excesses", then Stalin has nothing to do with it - the tsar is good, the boyars are bad. Where is the logic?
            1. Eric
              +1
              12 March 2013 01: 12
              And why do you need our logic? Our state is already more than 1000 years old, considerable experience. What about yours? Here is the answer.
    2. +9
      5 March 2013 10: 56
      Quote: nycsson

      "Stalin asked the managers very harshly. They received many benefits: apartments, official cars, summer cottages, special rations, special services, etc. But the demand from them was great, there were no" untouchables "." - the carrot and stick principle!
      Ours would be so ........


      I completely agree. And I copied the article to the desktop, the more people I read, the better.
      1. +37
        5 March 2013 12: 52
        "Name of Russia"

        For some reason, it seems that in the USSR no one knew who Stalin was. That no one knew what happened during the reign of Stalin and how the country lived. How do people know how they themselves lived on collective farms, how they plowed at the construction sites of communism, how they fought a war and how they themselves killed the Germans in Berlin? They didn’t know anything. Today’s unknown is how the society in which they live functions. They are firmly convinced that only they possess knowledge, because Svanidze told them yesterday on television. But, no matter how strange today's idiots might seem, everyone knew about the charms of Stalinism in the USSR.

        However, there was one interesting feature. In the cabins of almost all Soviet trucks there was a portrait of Stalin. And always facing out. That is, the portrait was intended not for the driver, but for those around him. I repeat: everyone knew who Stalin was and how hard it was under him. Everyone knew how Nikita Sergeevich Khrushchev "exposed" Stalin. Everyone knew that the CPSU did not approve of the mass of everything Stalin had done, and it resolutely dissociated itself from him. And yet portraits of Stalin were everywhere.

        Why did the proletarian hang a portrait of Stalin in his car - facing out? Was the proletarian an ardent Stalinist? Did the proletarian want to return to the thirties? Did he want to plant "half the country" in the camps? The proletarian wanted none of this. The proletarian wanted to speak out. The proletarian was firmly convinced that there was order under Stalin. Thieves were imprisoned, traitors were shot, traitors were hanged. That when they were "imprisoned for being late for work", there was no talk of absenteeism, which means there was no mess. That when it was necessary, the whole country rose as one.

        It is clear that in reality everything was somewhat different than it seemed and seems to the proletariat. But what did he want to say by showing the public the stern face of the Leader of the Peoples? The proletariat protested against the inaction of power. The proletariat turned to society and power: restore order! Stop the thieves, scammers and scum! After all, he could! And in protest against the mess, he hung a portrait of Stalin - facing the people. Was the proletarian right? In the main, of course, he is right: thieves, traitors and scammers must be caught and punished. What does the proletarian remember about that time? More precisely, what does the proletariat want to remember about that time? He remembers the most important thing: there was order, there was justice. A bit like Vysotsky’s song:
        There was a time - and there were cellars,
        There was a thing - and prices were reduced,
        And the channels flowed right
        And in the end, where it was necessary.

        What does the proletarian want today when he talks about Stalin? Exactly the same thing: order and justice.

        A minor moron, of course, squeals: so what is it that they didn’t steal in the USSR, or what ?! It’s difficult for a young moron to understand that this is just about the USSR, and that the proletariat did not like it in the USSR. The fact that the proletariat may not like something in democratic Russia is beyond understanding the moron, because he lives in an earthly paradise and is happy that his country has been plundered to the ground. At the same time, that is characteristic, nothing fell from the stolen moron from the stolen. The moron was explained that one had to be happy simply because the USSR was no more — and the moron was happy. Which is not surprising for a moron.



        Joseph Dzhugashvili. 1917 year.
        1. +39
          5 March 2013 12: 53
          And then lo and behold - the citizens from RTR organized a vote on the topic "Name of Russia". It is unclear why they presented there a wide variety of characters - Lenin and the poet Yesenin, goalkeeper Yashin and Georgy Zhukov, Ivan the Terrible and - a surprise !!! - Yeltsin. Why this heap is small, why should commanders, poets, writers, leaders, composers gather in one heap - is unclear. Obviously, in order for the "name of Russia" to be represented by a certain Poet, personifying our funny history and wonderful society.

          And what do we see? In the first place, of course, Stalin - because there simply cannot be anyone else. Why is indicated above. Vladimir Vysotsky is registered behind him by administrative efforts - you must understand, a figure of exactly the same caliber. By the same efforts, citizen Romanov is pushed through, having screwed up Russia and abandoned the country entrusted by God to the mercy of fate. Not for Peter I, not for Sergius of Radonezh - they vote for the weak-willed dunce who ruined the country. Of course, each character was provided with a short "annotation". Naturally, in the spirit of liberal trends - purely disgusting content. Then the texts were changed. And then - about horror !!! - in the first place was Stalin.

          The democratic public, as usual, is in shock:
          This is the result of the lack of a state ideology, a clear position of both the state and the media in relation to these political figures. The Stalinist film was recently shown on the largest national channel, now the Stalinist textbook is distributed to schools, and the person who called for the transfer of the First World War into a civil war is still in the mausoleum.
          That is, there were not two decades of desperate shit pouring on their own history. There hasn't been two decades of shameless bullshit about our past. The "penal battalions", "children of the arbat", "liquidations" and other "bastards" did not walk on ORT without a break. Millions of media circulations were not choked with their own shit, shusters and rezuns were not brainwashed. There was nothing - the people, it turns out, again do not know anything !!! After all, as mentioned above, he knew nothing then, he does not know anything even now. It's time to do the rebuilding again.

          Right, after all, how? There should be exactly one opinion - such as is liked by Soviet intellectuals. Since we now have freedom (which, as is known, it was not the CPSU Secretary General who declared, but the Soviet intellectuals pulled out of Stalin’s bloody claws), other opinions are unacceptable in principle. Freedom - it is strictly for the elect, and every mug (see Cattle or People) must know its place, sit there and not blather Because he is better when everything is determined for him.

          Well, the people - why? The people do not need the howls of Radzinsky and the groaning of Svanidze. Life is exactly one, and they live it now, and not in the 1924 year. Therefore, the people now need an elementary order and social justice. Not camps and mass shootings, but order and justice. Not Stalin, but order and justice. But order and justice in our country from the point of view of the people personifies only Stalin. But this, of course, is beyond the understanding of domestic intellectuals.

          It is clear that everything will be corrected by the hand in the results.
          Correct now, because the result is undemocratic.

          This is true freedom - do what you want.
          And they say that it was so.

          07.07.2008.
          Dmitry Puchkov (Goblin).



          November 1902, XNUMX
          1. +17
            5 March 2013 13: 04




            like this. hi
          2. Kaa
            +31
            5 March 2013 13: 52
            Quote: Karlsonn
            People do not need howls of Radzinsky and moaning Svanidze

            And let's ask the question, where did these moans come from?
            " Nikolai Karlovich Svanidze - was born on April 2, 1955 in Moscow. Graduate of the Faculty of History, Moscow State University (diploma in Watergate), an employee of the Institute of the USA and Canada. From 1975 to 1991, a member of the CPSU. Notice Communist 20 years old. In January 1994 (in the wake of the events of August 1993), by a decree of President Yeltsin, he was awarded the Order For Personal Courage. Member of the Public Chamber, a prominent historian, publicist, fighter for the purity of Russian history. The author (together with his wife, also a historian) of the biography of the President of Russia Dmitry Medvedev "- A BRILLIANT CAREER! AND WHY?
            "Father - Karl Nikolaevich Svanidze - “the son of an enemy of the people”, a front-line hero, a graduate of the History Department of Moscow State University, a guide of the Polytechnic Museum in Moscow, has gone from an ordinary employee to Deputy Chief Editor of the Political Publishing House of the CPSU Central Committee.VON IT IS WHAT! AND WHO IS THE "ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE"?
            " Grandfather - Nikolai Samsonovich Svanidze - 1 secretary of the Tiflis city committee of the CPSU (b), was a member of the circle of like-minded Ordzhonikidze. Beria did not agree with Lavrenty and Ordzhonikidze sent him Minister of Railways of the Ukrainian SSR. Arrested in 1937 in the reception room of 1 Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine Kosior. In the same year he was shot.
            " Grandmother - Tsilya Isaakovna Svanidzf - the daughter of a shoemaker, an employee of a hat workshop, an old Bolshevik, worked in the Central Committee’s female department, which was led by Kollontai was friends with the wife of Bukharin Anna Lurie. She was familiar including Trotsky, Kamenev, Radek. After her husband's arrest, she left her son Karl, named after Karl Marx, in the care of her own sister, who lived in the “House on the Embankment” (2 Serafimovich Street), worked as a cleaner, lived to be 96 years old "http://kprf.ru/ rus_soc / 84512.html
            That is, we are dealing with a faithful follower of Trotsky’s cause, which lives, and fortunately DOES NOT win negative
            1. +14
              5 March 2013 14: 44
              Quote: Kaa
              That is, we are dealing with a faithful follower of Trotsky’s cause, which lives, and fortunately DOES NOT win


              Kaa Welcome hi

              and will never win! angry

              1. Kaa
                +17
                5 March 2013 15: 38
                Quote: Karlsonn
                and will never win!
                Forever and ever, Amen! And in general, they are not doing that ...
                PS By the way, don't you find that the alpenstock surprisingly resembles the T-shaped version of the cross, the so-called "Antonievsky" one?
                It turns out that "Judas Trotsky", by order of a former graduate of an Orthodox university, was finally "christened"? bully
                1. +3
                  5 March 2013 15: 55
                  Quote: Kaa
                  By the way, do not you find that the alpenstock surprisingly resembles a T-shaped version of the cross, the so-called "Antonievsky"?


                  to be honest, I didn’t go to such depths what


                  Quote: Kaa
                  It turns out that "Judas Trotsky", by order of a former graduate of an Orthodox university, was finally "christened"?


                  while Trotsky was guarded by US government agents.
                  this apricot didn’t have to be released from the USSR at all, and now we have a mutant of Trotskyism — neo-conservativeism in the states.
                  1. Kaa
                    +7
                    5 March 2013 16: 09
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    to be honest, I didn’t go to such depths

                    Nnu-oo, maybe I have paranoia? recourse Although the well-known Rezun (or a group of tovarischi from MI-6 using his face) described in one of his opuses, a really deep weight - Mercader was well prepared, had a pistol, he could choose a knife, a silencer, in the end, Rabeta and Bandera generally had chemical weapons liquidated, but for some reason chose ALPENstock. According to this author, in this way Stalin conveyed a message to the world banking capital with the then center in ALPS, i.e. Switzerland, with "gratitude" for interfering in the affairs of the USSR. This is definitely paranoia ... or is it allegorical and beautiful? request By the way, by coincidence, Hitler soon began to plan a suicidal version of a war on two fronts - to the very "Barbarossa" fool . And evil tongues dare blasphemously claim that Lev Davidovich could become one of the possible governors in the defeated USSR belay ... Something in the conspiracy theory suffered me ... laughing
                    1. +13
                      5 March 2013 16: 20
                      Quote: Kaa
                      . Something in the conspiracy theory suffered me.

                      How else? I repeat
                      The bombing was the speech of Viktor Ilyukhin at a plenary meeting of the State Duma of the Russian Federation on 16 on June 2010. He said that he had information that had to be carefully checked through a parliamentary investigation, that a powerful A team of specialists in falsification of historical documents of the Soviet and mainly Stalinist period. For one purpose, to discredit the Soviet past and equate Stalinism with fascism. That is what the authors of the shown fake achieve.
                      “The group included employees of the Russian special services, as well as the 6th Institute of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the country. It was located in the premises of the former dachas of the Central Committee of the CPSU in the village of Nagorny in the suburbs. It is possible that the group or its parts work to this day. The activity of the group coincided with the period of declassification of documents of the Politburo and the Central Committee of the CPSU, which was carried out at the beginning of the 90's by a government commission led by Mikhail Poltoranin.
                      According to available information, the forgers on genuine 1940's letterheads technically executed hundreds, thousands of fake pages, and they were placed in archival files and documents. The so-called note by L. Beria of March 1940, in which he allegedly asks the Politburo of the CPSU (b) to give consent to the shooting of 27 of thousands of Polish prisoners of war, is falsified. We present expert opinion materials confirming this. An extract from the decision of the Politburo of the party, allegedly giving consent to the execution of the Poles, was also falsified. We are presenting an expert study on the fabrication of documents on alleged cooperation between the NKVD of the USSR and Gestapo Hitler Germany.
                      Russian archival documents today "walk" virtually across Europe. At our disposal there are fake seals, stamps, imprints of the signatures of Stalin, Beria and others, as well as blank forms of 30-40 years, on which fakes were prepared. I present to you the volume with archival documents - this is the correspondence of the NKVD, the NKGB, the People’s Commissariat of Defense of the USSR with Stalin. It was formed with only one purpose - to legalize several false documents, including a note made on behalf of the General Staff of the Red Army. Unfortunately, the legalization took place. ”
                      December 7 2010 Viktor Ivanovich, Honored Lawyer of the Russian Federation, Doctor of Science, Professor, sent an open letter to the President of the Russian Federation D. Medvedev.
                      Little of, On 18 on June 2012, the European Court made a sensational decision that the “documents” provided by Gorbachev and Yeltsin, indicating that Stalin and the Soviet side were to blame for the execution of tens of thousands of Polish officers near Katyn, were fake.
                      Of course, this sensation of a world level, all of our most-most "truthful" after the courts, the media did not notice and did not cover.
                      What played into the hands of all crooks from science, archival affairs and other things.
                      Just imagine the whole comic of this action. These adventurers got into a mess with "wet" stamps on genuine letterheads, typewritten letters, and "genuine" murals of politicians to our truth-seekers. Maybe not for nothing.
                      http://www.vremia.ua/rubrics/problemy/3215.php
                      xxxxx
                      So this is not a conspiracy? And still ask the Poles for forgiveness? And on I.V. Stalin pour mud ?! am
                    2. 0
                      5 March 2013 18: 40
                      Quote: Kaa
                      ..Something in the conspiracy theory suffered me ...

                      Yes
                2. yak69
                  +5
                  5 March 2013 17: 17
                  Quote: Kaa
                  alpenstock surprisingly resembles a T-shaped version of the cross

                  This is not an alpenstock. This is an ice ax. In this context - boshkorub. wink

                  And just do the article correctly noted:
                  all external enemies of the USSR were interested in his premature death. Russia was close to becoming the absolute leader of mankind. This led Western civilization to disaster and death.
                  And yet, the west, is following the exact course to hell! There is little left and it would be necessary to help him (the West) .... a good kick to his liberalistic dupa!
                  laughing
                3. Flamberg
                  +1
                  8 March 2013 17: 33
                  Alpenstock also resembles a coinage - a medieval weapon used to pierce any knight's armor.
            2. ibn117
              +6
              5 March 2013 15: 43
              just look at it and it will become clearer and clearer on Svanidze on this
            3. +12
              5 March 2013 22: 27
              Kaa,

              Here, speaking, it is necessary to consider the genesis of such in historical development in terms of degeneration of generations. It is difficult to speak about the causes of this degeneration, but to trace the very evolution of generations of the so-called liberals are quite easy, since it is typical for almost everyone.
              The first educated urban generation - post-revolutionary natives of Russian villages and Jewish towns, idealistic communists (the time of active social life of the 20s - 50s).
              Their children - second generation - disillusioned with communism, the liberals of the Soviet "intelligent" townsfolk (60s - 80s).
              Third generation - cynics businessmen businessmen (80s-00s). Liberals call their people ADAPTED to the conditions of the MARKET (gangster) and proudly call them the middle class as a minimum, BASIS OF ANY STATE (as Karish and others like him say )
              The generation of their children (starting from the zero years of the 21st century) is the “lost generation”having no ideological or even career motivation, existing as if by inertia; playboys, often drug addicts (in recent years, tragedies in the families of M. Gelman, A. Malgin, and others have attracted attention to his problems)
              Here is the chain of degeneration of Western technocratic and consumer ideology, Therefore, the death and decomposition of states infected by this process is sooner or later inevitable, Hence the expression "rotten West", which the liberals fiercely refute, not even noticing that the seemingly rich and civilized society is decaying from INSIDE quietly and imperceptibly at the mental level. Inevitable. Compare Europe in the 70s and what has become of it now. There metastases are already so deep that the patient is already hopeless, Stalin, with his therapy, extended our healthy life by 50 years. And in the 90s, the effect of vaccination ended and the infection that began just started gradually from the risk group, just from the notorious intelligentsia and the middle class and the bureaucratic bureaucracy.
              But we, thank God, have an immunity to degeneration, and it lies in the primordial need of the Russian people for JUSTICE and not in a SOCIETY OF RIGHTS AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES like degenerates, which the Russian people reject. The ideological vacuum is gradually being filled from here and the overestimation of many of Stalin's role for our people, despite the wild pressure of the "degenerate de-Stalinizers." This means that society is beginning to recover and the degenerates in their agony will not be able to prevent us ..
              1. Pinochet000
                +4
                5 March 2013 23: 13
                Quote: Ascetic
                overestimation of the role of Stalin for our people by many, despite the wild pressure from the "de-Stalinizers-degenerates" This means that society begins to recover and the degenerates in their agony will not be able to prevent us ..

                And this inspires hope, as I see not only with me.
              2. +3
                6 March 2013 00: 40
                Quote: Ascetic
                Their children, the second generation, became disillusioned with communism and became liberals of the Soviet “intelligent” inhabitants (60-e - 80-e).


                I do not agree! No.

                - my great-grandfather - was for communism;
                - his only surviving son, my grandfather is a radical Stalinist, I am not fit for him. crying
                - his grandson, my father - a career officer of the USSR Internal Troops, who has gone through almost all the "hot spots" of the Union, still keeps his party card;
                Well, actually, we are great-grandchildren - communists.

                - not everything is so simple wink
                1. +6
                  6 March 2013 01: 08
                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  the evolution of generations of so-called liberals are pretty easy


                  Carlson, are you a hereditary liberal who came from a Jewish town in the first generation? and grandson of a sixties dissident? This is me about people like Pavel Gusev for example or Yegorushka Gatsidar and others like them. bully

                  Of course, not everything is clear, but the trend is obvious if you look at the biographies of all our national heralds and civil activists with grant-eaters up to the third generation, the picture will be something like this
                  1. +4
                    6 March 2013 01: 21
                    Quote: Ascetic
                    Carlson, are you a hereditary liberal who came from a Jewish town in the first generation? and grandson of a sixties dissident?


                    Unfortunately, I only:
                    - the great-grandson of the dispossessed;
                    - the great-grandson of those deported from Ukraine to the border with China, in the Amur River region;
                    but unfortunately (grand not to break crying ) in my family all the communist radicals - therefore buy an English football club - I do not shine crying


                    Quote: Ascetic
                    Of course, not everything is clear, but the trend is obvious if you look at the biographies of all our national heralds and civil activists with grant-eaters up to the third generation, the picture will be something like this


                    they are negligible bully they just have the power that we ourselves gave them.
                    Lenin about online nation when he still said wink
                    1. Eric
                      0
                      12 March 2013 01: 50
                      Finally, at least someone (I beg your pardon if I did not notice) said these words: "There are an insignificant number of them bully, they just have the power that we ourselves gave them.
                      Lenin about the nation's line when he still said wink "Here! This is the first spikelet of revival!
            4. postman
              0
              6 March 2013 21: 20
              Quote: Kaa

              And let's ask the question, where did these moans come from?

              Now for the sake of interest (academic), analyze your biography from the perspective of your conclusion:
              Quote: Kaa
              That is, we are dealing with a faithful successor

              Threat. I'm not joking, it's just interesting at such a global input about Trotskyism (fifth colonism, well, and so on) Svanidze to look at "deducing", through the prism of HIS (pure?) Biography.
              Weak?
          3. +7
            5 March 2013 14: 13
            Quote: Karlsonn
            But order and justice in our country from the point of view of the people personifies only Stalin


            How exactly noticed.
            1. ibn117
              +12
              5 March 2013 15: 45
              I am 35, so I always swear from the bottom of my heart- STALIN IS NOT FOR YOU !!!
        2. Quiet
          +3
          5 March 2013 18: 31
          Thanks Karlsonn !!! Well said !!!! hi
    3. +2
      5 March 2013 12: 17
      ON THE BACKGROUND OF GREATNESS OF STALIN, THE NECESSITY OF THE CURRENT GOVERNOR IS VISIBLY VISIBLE!
      1. 755962
        +8
        5 March 2013 12: 36
        And here are some confirmations in numbers ..

        36 percent of Russians support Stalin: VTsIOM sensational poll

        36% of Generalissimo fans - this army is larger than all other groups in terms of numbers. And those who do not care about the dead secretary general, and those who hate him, remained in the minority. Only two years ago there were still more indifferents, but now the trend has changed ...

        The survey, dedicated to the 60th anniversary of Stalin's death, was conducted by the VTsIOM on February 16-17. The results that sociologists are unveiling today would have impressed the dead man himself, who could hardly have hoped that the people's love for him would be so long. “Respectfully” refers to Stalin 27% of respondents, “admiration” 3%, and another 6% defined their attitude to the bloodiest ruler in the history of our country as “sympathy”. Total - 36% of those who vote “for” Stalin. And you cannot vouch for the fact that this number did not grow up after NTV pleased its audience with the apology film “Stalin With Us” last weekend.


        http://www.mk.ru/social/article/2013/03/05
        1. +18
          5 March 2013 14: 04
          Quote: 755962

          And here are some confirmations in numbers ..

          36 percent of Russians support Stalin: VTsIOM sensational poll


          I don’t know, maybe I was just, purely by chance lucky, but whoever I come across 100% all are supporters of the course of Stalin, except Media. And ... this is probably because they live on the other side of the screen !!!
          1. postman
            -1
            6 March 2013 21: 43
            Quote: skeptic
            but whoever comes across 100% all are supporters of Stalin’s course,

            It’s a pity you can’t conduct an experiment:
            Having lived a year under Stalin, of these 95% (the rest of the repressive apparatus) would have cried - WANTED BACK, to the quagmire.
            ===============
            I don’t know where you found 100%, according to experience 30-40% is a real figure, for the most part retirees (like my mother) talk about this topic: "Stalin is not on you."
            When you start remembering (theirs and grandparents) stories, it comes to mind: don't ...
            A week passes, again the same thing (relapse)
            NOT UNDER STALIN LIVING SWEET, but now we exist in "shit", or rather under "shit"
        2. +7
          5 March 2013 15: 13
          Very interesting. Thanks for the info. And there is no sensation here. Maybe she was even understated. But that is so-thoughts aloud.
      2. -3
        5 March 2013 14: 25
        Well, what kind of nonsense is this? If now they start to "press" everyone in a row, then just people like you will take to the streets with the slogan - freedom of democracy. Because it is already hard to frighten the party with the people who have changed very much in 20 years ...
        1. +10
          5 March 2013 16: 16
          That is, you have not read the article. The fact of the matter is that "everyone in a row" will not be! Everyone in a row ... who then built all these factories, newspapers, steamers, agriculture and so on and so on ... It is necessary to press, as Koba did, thieves and traitors. So that we flooded into the street "for democracy" .... are you laughing or kidding? If they start throwing thieves into the Turukhansk Territory, according to the old times, and putting traitors against the wall, if they lean the dearest Svandze against the wall, do you think we will rush into the streets ?!
          Although, maybe we'll rush. We will celebrate! Well, if for this you need to, so do me ... yes to hell with him, let him. I took the oath to the Motherland, and if it so happened that it would not work out otherwise ... well, let them come.
          1. +4
            5 March 2013 19: 40
            We will celebrate! Well, if for this you need to, so do me ... yes to hell with him, let him. I took the oath to the Motherland, and if it so happened that it would not work otherwise ... well, let them come .... completely for ++++ =
          2. s1н7т
            +1
            6 March 2013 02: 06
            Quote: Mikhail3
            So that we flooded into the street "for democracy" ....

            Yeah, in the 91st Yankees, or something popped? In the 93rd Abrams the Supreme Council was shot?
            1. +1
              6 March 2013 11: 48
              It seems that the conversation is not about then but about now? In addition, the then Supreme Council ...
      3. +3
        5 March 2013 15: 46
        Quote: kris
        ON THE BACKGROUND OF GREATNESS OF STALIN, THE NECESSITY OF THE CURRENT GOVERNOR IS VISIBLY VISIBLE!

        For the truth, the man got a lot of minuses !!!
        Write a comment, justify the wrong!
        1. +2
          6 March 2013 00: 41
          Quote: AlNikolaich
          Write a comment, justify the wrong!


          turn on the radio chanson and I'll immediately "justify" hi
      4. 0
        6 March 2013 06: 00
        I agree with you completely. Twist the ass as they want!
    4. Kaa
      +13
      5 March 2013 14: 15
      Quote: nycsson
      But the demand from them was great, there were no “untouchables”. "- the carrot and stick principle!

      But they just didn’t like this ... That’s why they killed Stalin. Who and why?
      "Evil" languages ​​claim that there were at least three reasons for this.
      1) The consequences, or rather, continuation of the investigation of the "Leningrad case"... Then the "group of tovarisches", namely Kuznetsov, Alexey Alexandrovich - secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b), Popkov, Pyotr Sergeevich - the first secretary of the Leningrad regional committee and city committee of the CPSU (b), Voznesensky, Nikolai Alekseevich - chairman of the USSR State Planning Committee, Kapustin, Yakov Fedorovich - Second Secretary of the Leningrad City Committee of the CPSU (b), Lazutin, Pyotr Georgievich - Chairman of the Leningrad City Executive Committee, Rodionov, Mikhail Ivanovich - Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the RSFSR, Turko, Joseph Mikhailovich - First Secretary of the Yaroslavl Regional Committee of the CPSU (b) set out to anticipate the actions of the EBN - having organized the Russian Communist Party and to separate for itself, loved ones, Russia from the USSR.Shot. But there was still a trace leading to N.S. Khrushchev, who claimed the role of the head of the Ukrainian SSR and S.D. Ignatiev - the head of the MGB, who saw himself as the head of the BSSR. By March 1953, Stalin got close to this.
      2) At the 19th Congress of the CPSU (B.) In 1952, the party was renamed the CPSU and Stalin clearly expressed his intention to retain only the functions of agitation and propaganda, transferring power to the hands of, on the one hand, the Council of Ministers, with professionals, and on the other - to local Councils. The apparatchiks were left with nothing.
      3) Well, soooooo evil languages ​​say that the conspirators maintained contacts with the West, which Stalin and the whole combination with the Russian Communist Party and the collapse of the USSR was inspired by him. So far, the "Secret" stamp has not been removed, but an indirect confirmation is a similar combination carried out in 1990-1991 with the nomination of the EBN.
      1. luka095
        +5
        5 March 2013 21: 59
        You can add that, according to some estimates, the speech of N.S. Khrushchev at the 20th congress (more precisely, outside the framework of the congress) with accusations against I. Stalin is not only the personal work of the corn-grower. Representatives of the West provided assistance in the refurbishment. Is it by chance that Khrushchev’s descendants live in the USA?
    5. CaptainBlack
      +4
      7 March 2013 06: 44
      Yes, with our people then it was different and impossible! Stalin clearly understood what the threat of democracy ... This is now no one is afraid of anything, for the time being ... what
    6. +1
      7 March 2013 14: 33
      Well, maybe we'll wait ... I hope ..
  2. Son
    Son
    +17
    5 March 2013 09: 15
    If we consider the development of society as a cyclist, then we can try to divide it into stages:
    1. Stalin - landing on a bicycle, speeding up ..;
    2. Khrushchev - stopped pedaling, where to go ..?;
    3. Brezhnev - hands removed from the steering wheel - riding without hands by inertia ..;
    4. Gorbachev - no speed, the cyclist fell ...;
    I remember Aifosha, being at the helm - he said that there were enough breakthroughs ... Something like that ...
    5. Putin - picks up a fallen bike ...
    1. +16
      5 March 2013 09: 55
      I wonder when Putin lifted (raises) a bicycle? Since 2000, there is no way to raise forces?
      1. Son
        Son
        +4
        5 March 2013 10: 28
        Comparing with EBN, it raises ... And, on this bike there is already "rust" and "dirt", again the leaders "help" ... Their own shouts, grabbing the trunk: - Let's lie down! It's easier here ... Look, others are also driving by inertia ...
        1. Pinochet000
          +1
          5 March 2013 20: 33
          Quote: Son
          Let's lie down! It’s easier here ... Look, others also ride by inertia ...
          The question is how to go at all ....... lying down? While only thinking to raise or not, then he will think where to go ... IMHO
      2. +4
        5 March 2013 10: 46
        Quote: anip
        I wonder when Putin lifted (raises) a bicycle? Since 2000, there is no way to raise forces?


        He would raise it faster if those who inserted the sticks did not break the needles. And the one who stopped pedaling, and the one who did not hold the steering wheel, rolled into the swamp they did their bit, and the bicycle rusted without lubrication and care .
        1. Son
          Son
          +3
          5 March 2013 10: 58
          ... and the model is out of date ... But, I think, the main question is WHERE to go ..? I do not give out my opinion, as the truth.
          1. 0
            5 March 2013 15: 21
            Quote: Son
            I do not give out my opinion, as the truth.


            In vain, and suddenly it is the most correct.
        2. s1н7т
          +1
          6 March 2013 02: 10
          Quote: skeptic
          Would raise faster

          Only he needs it? He’s so good.
      3. +6
        5 March 2013 13: 18
        It’s easy to break it down, which has been done since the time of Khrushchev, and raising one generation is not enough, is it really not clear ?????
        1. lucidlook
          +11
          5 March 2013 16: 40
          Quote: GarySit
          It’s easy to break it down, which has been done since the time of Khrushchev, and raising one generation is not enough, is it really not clear ?????

          No, it's not clear. For comparison - "Magnitka" was built in 3 (in words - THREE) years. From the beginning to the end. And this is not counting other similar construction projects and achievements that went in parallel. How many magnet boxes have we built in 12 years? Moscow is swelling with dollars (like the enemy’s, US dollars), brilliant youth are driving around in gold cars, and along the BAM and Transib, settlements disappear. And so yes ... you will look at Moscow, it seems like everything is fine. Only that's exactly what "sort of like".

          Therefore, one generation might not be enough if this generation did at least 1/10 of what their grandfathers did. Then yes, then the second generation would continue and complete what had begun. And what will the next generation of today's leaders continue? What is such a great undertaking?
      4. 0
        5 March 2013 14: 26
        damn, that's why you are unhappy with everything. yes compare it with the year 2000 and now? is there really no difference?
        1. imperiologist
          +4
          6 March 2013 01: 10
          Yes, I look out the window and I don’t see much difference.
        2. s1н7т
          +4
          6 March 2013 02: 12
          Quote: Gentleman
          compare it with 2000 and now? is there really no difference?

          Of course I have. It got worse.
    2. +11
      5 March 2013 12: 46
      Quote: Son
      5. Putin - picks up a fallen bike ...

      It turned out to be hard to see, not a hat for Senka.
      Quote: Son
      and the model is out of date ..

      For the model, it was necessary to take the VMS, and the whole world would be able to cope with the drive, and given modern capabilities it would not be necessary to twist, only to direct.
      Quote: Son
      But, I think, the main question is WHERE to go.

      But it is necessary to go forward, to take the basis of socialism and all that is acceptable from capitalism, then all that is necessary will turn out.
      1. +9
        5 March 2013 13: 37
        baltika-18 hi

        Quote: baltika-18
        For the model it was necessary to take ZIS


        something like this? wink



        I. Stalin and ZiS-110.


        Quote: baltika-18
        But it is necessary to go forward, to take the basis of socialism and all that is acceptable from capitalism, then all that is necessary will turn out.


        Let me subscribe! good drinks

        winked though when we go "forward", we will have to shoot "back" from time to time, but we are no stranger to soldier .
        1. +4
          5 March 2013 14: 04
          Quote: Karlsonn
          Karlsonn

          Bravo, a man with a propeller. good
          You understood me absolutely right. drinks
          And the tachanka in the subject. soldier
          1. +5
            5 March 2013 14: 51
            Quote: baltika-18
            Bravo, a man with a propeller.




            “Carlson, why do you have four fingers?”
            - Yes, I scratched my back ...



            Quote: baltika-18
            And the tachanka in the subject.


            she is always in the subject drinks
      2. Son
        Son
        0
        5 March 2013 16: 13
        "I do not betray my opinion as the truth." See above.
      3. imperiologist
        +1
        7 March 2013 00: 07
        Quote: baltika-18
        Putin - picks up a fallen bike ...

        Yes, it’s time to transfer to a motorcycle once the money is not enough smile
    3. ivachum
      +7
      5 March 2013 12: 49
      "Putin got 384 tons, by 2011 the stock had grown to 852 tons."

      Yes, after that Putin can only be a tyrant for the "friends of Russia". De Gaulle was less fortunate ...

      "Already in May 1968, the famous student riots began, which led to the resignation of the general. On November 9, 1970, Charles de Gaulle suddenly died of a ruptured aorta."

      We have "Marches of Millions", etc.
      1. +1
        5 March 2013 15: 59
        Quote: ivachum
        Yes, after that Putin can only be a tyrant for the "friends of Russia". De Gaulle was less fortunate ...


        indicative in terms of personality, yes Gaulle's attitude to Stalin:

    4. lucidlook
      -1
      5 March 2013 16: 33
      Quote: Son
      5. Putin - raises

      Well, well ... to the slogan "Putin is Stalin today!" half a step left. We are waiting, sir. No.
    5. imperiologist
      +3
      6 March 2013 01: 30
      it seems to me that a comparison with a train that decently decently turned off the engine during the Soviet era turned off and it all rolls by inertia. I really want to think that the engine has already turned on but sluggish industrial growth, agriculture living off of dilapidated collective farms, a constant increase in oil and gas production, lack of high-tech products, not only for export but also for their own consumption and much more, as it does not inspire optimism. I think that everyone at the top understands this and will take everything necessary
    6. s1н7т
      +2
      6 March 2013 02: 09
      Quote: Son
      5. Putin - picks up a fallen bike ...

      And does not know what to do with it laughing
  3. +26
    5 March 2013 09: 20
    A dead lion can be kicked and a donkey.
  4. +15
    5 March 2013 09: 24
    Thank you for the article. Of course, today this version is almost impossible to prove, but believing in Stalin's wisdom is much more correct than sprinkling ashes on your head (or worse) and moaning about the "tyrant".
  5. +28
    5 March 2013 09: 25
    Enemies were stronger. Both external and internal. Stalin was removed, Beria was killed. The USSR rolled by inertia until 1991 and fell. And we disentangle the consequences. See Stalin's current Russia, to put it mildly, would be stunned by lawlessness. T
  6. +30
    5 March 2013 09: 25
    When the mighty lion dies, jackals and hyenas, vultures and scavengers come running from all around to kick his corpse, for they will never have another case, by the definition of nature itself.
  7. Atlon
    +10
    5 March 2013 09: 26
    Good article, thanks!
  8. Denis_SF
    +23
    5 March 2013 09: 32
    Everyone has their own opinion about Stalin, but Churchill’s same phrase “Stalin accepted Russia with a plow, but left with an atomic bomb” says a lot, and by the way, if it wasn’t Churchill who said it was just a myth, it doesn’t cancel the fact and doesn’t touches merit. Yes, even for the fact that he broke the back of the main hater of the Russian people to Bronstein - a low bow. And how he and the Chechens resolved the issue in two days. That's really the Master.
  9. +45
    5 March 2013 09: 34
    Yeah ..., From the grateful people ...

    He sensed a sniff, along with whom he would have to stand, and escaped all critics with one phrase: “A mountain of garbage will be put on my grave, but the wind of history will disperse it!”
    1. 0
      5 March 2013 10: 20
      And where is such a "blue" monument? In what city?
      1. +6
        5 March 2013 10: 32
        Quote: Renat
        And where is such a "blue" monument? In what city?

        In my opinion in Yekaterinburg! But I could be wrong ......
      2. +5
        5 March 2013 10: 41
        Yekaterinburg..
    2. Yashka Gorobets
      +8
      5 March 2013 11: 12
      The monument to Yeltsin impressed. About the dead they say good or nothing, the "grateful" people eloquently kept silent.
      1. +3
        5 March 2013 13: 45
        Quote: Yashka Gorobets
        They say good or nothing about the dead


        You need to know the classics. Sorry.

        There are as many as three proverbs:
        - About the dead - the truth.
        “Oh dead or good, or nothing.”
        “About the dead, either good or bad.”
        1. Yashka Gorobets
          +1
          5 March 2013 14: 16
          Now I'll know)
          1. +1
            5 March 2013 15: 17
            Quote: Yashka Gorobets
            Now I'll know)


            somehow enlightened feel
    3. +6
      5 March 2013 16: 21
      My heart is telling me that they will bury Gorbachev like a scoundrel dog, secretly, they’ll probably put pebbles as in Arlington cemetery and write their full name in micro font. Because it’s scary to imagine what will happen to his grave if Russian people know about it ...
      1. +3
        6 March 2013 00: 05
        Will urine smell?
    4. Sashko07
      +2
      5 March 2013 17: 23
      I apologize, but where can a tourist get to the Kremlin where the grave of Stalin?
      1. +3
        5 March 2013 18: 05
        Sashko 07
        Near the Kremlin wall, where all the monuments are. People go and lay flowers.
      2. 0
        5 March 2013 18: 45
        Quote: Sashko07
        where can a tourist get Stalin’s grave?


        joking if you please?
  10. lars
    +8
    5 March 2013 09: 36
    Today we will remember with fighters and veterans, there is something to remember and what to learn!
  11. +23
    5 March 2013 09: 37
    ... The best thing about a man is his name. Stalin is not a pseudonym. This is just a Russian translation of the Georgian word “juga” - “steel”. He did not impersonate another. He was himself. When the people, and the authorities, and the intelligentsia were spoiled and decomposed as a result of the revolution to the last limit, when everyone did what they wanted or did nothing at all, the people needed a shepherd with an iron staff. And he came ....
    1. Dima67
      +13
      5 March 2013 09: 47
      Hello everyone. Where is our present Stalin? It is time for Russia to wake up from the Western dope and do what we declare and not vice versa.
    2. +5
      5 March 2013 10: 51
      The fact that "dzhuga" in Georgian means "steel" I learned quite recently. But even without this knowledge, I was sure that it was "Stalin" that was most suitable for the leader.
      1. Volkh
        -1
        6 March 2013 16: 47
        Quote: Renat
        The fact that "dzhuga" in Georgian means "steel" I learned quite recently. But even without this knowledge, I was sure that it was "Stalin" that was most suitable for the leader.

        not your truth - read
        I know the following versions (I’m not going to judge their plausibility):

        1.cargo. ჯუგაშვილი [dzhugashvili] <os. Dzugata (Russified form of Dzugaev) <os. dzuga "flock", "flock" (Unbegaun B.O., Russian surnames, M., 1989)

        2. the cargo. ჯუგაშვილი [dzhugashvili] <cargo. ჯუგაანი [dzhugaani], a village in Kakheti (I. Maisuradze, Georgian surnames, Tiflis, 1950)

        3. cargo. ჯუგაშვილი [dzhugashvili] <other-cargo. ჯუგა [dzhuga] "steel" (Gergiy Lebanidze, "Do not be afraid of trials", Truth. 01.09.88/XNUMX/XNUMX)

        4. cargo. ჯუგაშვილი [dzhugashvili] <other-cargo. ჯუგა [dzhuga] "garbage" (Unbegaun B.O.)

        5. cargo. ჯუგაშვილი [dzhugashvili] <other-cargo. ჯუგა [dzhuga] - “a very ancient pagan Georgian word with a Persian connotation, probably widespread during the period of Iranian rule over Georgia. The meaning, like many names, is untranslatable "(Kit Buachidze's version; Pokhlebkin V.V., Great pseudonym, M., 1996)

        6. cargo. ჯუგაშვილი [dzhugashvili] <cargo. ჯუგა [dzhuga] "Jew" (folk etymology, author unknown. Note that a Jew in Georgian is ებრაელი [ebraeli], or in a derogatory sense ურია [uria]).
    3. wax
      +6
      5 March 2013 15: 33
      just a Russian translation of the Georgian word "juga" - "steel".

      This is one of the versions. The etymology of the Georgian word "dzhuga" is lost in the darkness of centuries.
      A more attractive version is that Stalin chose a pseudonym under the influence of "The Knight in the Panther's (Tiger's) Skin" - a work that Stalin loved very much and often quoted.
  12. +23
    5 March 2013 09: 47
    He is kicked by those who were then imprisoned for economic crimes. Those whose children and grandchildren now own the media and write us a story about how they unjustly dealt with their ancestors. Those who are in the 90-era having enough of a pumpkin on a mountain of people and carefully ignoring their limitless 90-x. Those who want to re-arrange the coven on the ruins of Russia.

    Blackening Stalin, they try to whiten themselves, but the more dirt they pour on Stalin, the more they look frozen.

    The primary task of the authorities is the nationalization of ideology and the media, as an instrument of ideology, in the interests of the entire multinational Russian civilization. It is the media that shape our worldview, our thoughts. First thought - then action. What do you think - and do it. As you do, so you live.
    1. folds
      +15
      5 March 2013 10: 57
      Visible falcon by litter. What is happening now in the country is the material expression of the main task of the current government. And this power has nothing to do with Russian civilization.
      1. s1н7т
        0
        6 March 2013 02: 17
        Quote: plis
        this power has nothing to do with Russian civilization.

        But what about 146% ?! laughing
    2. Yashka Gorobets
      +12
      5 March 2013 11: 29
      I am not a fan of Stalin, but the lie that he is one bloodthirsty dictator and all the rest are white and fluffy is obvious. How obvious are the successes of the USSR during his reign.
      1. +15
        5 March 2013 13: 06
        All leaders who worked to strengthen Russia were declared bloody maniacs. Unfortunately, there were such insultingly few, for the entire twentieth century, except for Stalin and Stolypin ("the hangman") and there is no one request
        But Nicholas the 2nd who allowed the collapse of the Russian Empire declared a saint, Khrushchev laid the foundation for the top impunity - the creator of the thaw, about Gorbachev would say yes censorship will not miss such words ....
        1. Kir
          +2
          5 March 2013 16: 20
          Let me disagree with you, but not really, Stolypin next to the Leader isn’t even worth mentioning, but with regards to personalities, but for example, at least for me, did KP Pobedonostsev not have a blessed memory? He was kind of like liberating and ultra-believers did not really like, it’s interesting why such unanimity.
        2. Yashka Gorobets
          0
          5 March 2013 17: 33
          Regarding Nicholas II, I do not agree with you, because I myself consider him a saint, and this holiness was not declared, but confirmed by many miracles. I won’t take a substantive discussion of the board, but do not forget that it was with him that the economic growth of Russia began, and certainly not contrary to his board. And dirt and lies were poured on him more than anyone else just by the same forces that are now distorting our history.
          1. Kir
            +4
            5 March 2013 17: 48
            I had the same acquaintance like you, considered Nikolashka a saint, and with him the saints of the atamans Shkuro, Platov, and of course Vlasov, along with the Krasnov brothers, and at the same time I considered myself a patriot, that's how.
          2. +3
            5 March 2013 18: 48
            Quote: Yashka Gorobets
            Regarding Nicholas 2, I do not agree with you, because I consider him holy



            Quote: Yashka Gorobets
            but do not forget that it was with him that the economic growth of Russia began, and certainly not contrary to his reign.


            I recall that in tsarist Russia workers from the entire population amounted to 3%, what the hell is the growth? Baku oil, for example, was owned by foreigners.
          3. s1н7т
            -2
            6 March 2013 02: 19
            Quote: Yashka Gorobets
            this holiness is not declared, but confirmed by many miracles.

            For example, Bloody Sunday?
            You are sick, shopipets! To the psychiatrist!
            1. 0
              6 March 2013 02: 37
              Quote: c1n7
              You are sick, shopipets! To the psychiatrist!


              why be rude?
              hard to be polite?
          4. 79288730085
            -2
            8 March 2013 23: 22
            and bloody sunday
      2. -6
        5 March 2013 13: 18
        I am not a fan of Pol Pot, but the lie that he is one bloodthirsty dictator and all the rest are white and fluffy is obvious. As are the successes of Cambodia under his rule.
        1. Yashka Gorobets
          +4
          5 March 2013 14: 18
          Well, tell us about his successes.
          1. +2
            5 March 2013 15: 18
            Quote: Yashka Gorobets
            Well, tell us about his successes.


            join in
            1. Kaa
              +1
              5 March 2013 16: 22
              Quote: Karlsonn

              Karlsonn UA Today, 15:18 p.m. ↑
              - 1 +
              Quote: Yashka Gorobets
              Well, tell us about his successes.
              join in

              Colleagues, this at Naijas's euphoric sense of humor leaped .... feed correctly ...
              1. +6
                5 March 2013 18: 52
                Kaa

                Quote: Kaa
                Colleagues, this at Naijas's euphoric sense of humor leaped .... feed correctly ...


                I have an earlier photo wink from ebony infancy
            2. 0
              5 March 2013 18: 28
              Yes please. And if you delve into the sites of the Natsiks, they will sing the same songs about Hitler, how he was the savior of the nation, an effective manager, etc.
              "Pol Pot and his comrades inherited a devastated country. Deserted villages; millions of refugees flooded into the capital, fleeing American bombs and mines. Beggars and hungry, they had to somehow be fed. But due to the bombing, in 1974 rice was not Pol Pot ordered everyone to leave the cities to cultivate the rice fields. It was a harsh but necessary decision. A year later, the Cambodians had enough rice to feed themselves and sell abroad to import the necessary goods.
              The new Cambodia (or Kampuchea as it was now called) Pol Pot and his associates became a nightmare for the elite, the wealthy, and their minions. But the poor people now had enough food to learn to read and write. As for the massacres, these are just horror stories, my interlocutors argued. Yes, the victorious peasants shot looters and spies, but according to them, many more people died from American mines and the subsequent occupation of the country by the Vietnamese. "
              1. Kir
                +1
                5 March 2013 18: 48
                Hurray-Hurray, and do not offer a link to the author, eh? Well, in general, Pol-Pot, having started it seems as if he ended up for good health, if anyone should probably be cited as an example, it is General A. Pinochet, he himself resigned and left the country prosperous in terms of the economy. and the nephew of the legendary with a minus sign Krasnov helped him in this event, and it seems like emegrants from among the former, both ours and the Nazis, but with regards to Schickelgruber, well, this devil is comparable to Leiba, and in general, the further that time goes, together with modern events, more and more there is a feeling just like the proverb "the best way to cope with drunkenness is to lead it", just someone's snout smelled a request for the revival of Greater Germany, well .........., and at the same time talks about the intellect of individual Nazis who pray to the one who brought them to this state.
                1. -5
                  5 March 2013 19: 08
                  Yes please, author Israel Shamir http://left.ru/2012/5/shamir216.phtml
                  I believe that the deeds of dictators should be looked at and evaluated from the outside, even if he is "native". Otherwise, patriotism forces the heart to pump blood from the brain into fists.
              2. +3
                5 March 2013 18: 54
                Quote: Nayhas
                Then Pol Pot ordered everyone to leave the city to cultivate rice fields.


                the difference between Paul Then sent the townspeople to sow rice and Stalin at which the peasants built hundreds of cities do not you see?
                1. 0
                  5 March 2013 19: 15
                  You are only comparing the directions of their activities, not the ways of realizing their ideas. This is somewhat narrow. I initially sneered at the Stalinist, drawing a parallel about the assessment of the legacy of a similar monster, you wanted to know what his "achievements" were, I found an article by a Pol Pot fan justifying his atrocities in exactly the same way as the Stalinists justify Stalin: "I did a lot for ordinary people, restored the country, the number of victims is overstated, the people still love him ... "and so on. The Nazis write exactly the same thing about Hitler ... Believe it?
                  1. Yashka Gorobets
                    +3
                    5 March 2013 19: 38
                    Well, firstly, I’m not a Stalinist. And secondly, to evaluate according to the results it means where I started and what I ended up with. We already talked about Stalin, I started with plow, I ended up with vigorous bonboy, and Pol Pot started with rice and finished ...?
                    1. -1
                      5 March 2013 22: 47
                      So good people were found, they did not let me finish what I wanted. Unlike the DPRK, where Kim also took the country destroyed by the war and launched into space, and how people love them!
                      PS: I apologize to the Stalinist.
                      1. Yashka Gorobets
                        +1
                        5 March 2013 23: 06
                        Everything is fine, but I saw the irony, I love a good sense of humor hi
                  2. +4
                    6 March 2013 00: 50
                    Quote: Nayhas
                    You compare only the directions of their activities, and not the ways of realizing your ideas.


                    Dear, please do not ascribe to me your thoughts! I compare by results! where is the USSR and where is Cambodia?


                    Quote: Nayhas
                    I initially sneered at the Stalinist, drawing a parallel about the assessment of the legacy of a similar monster, you wanted to know what his "achievements" were, I found an article by a Pol Pot fan justifying his atrocities in exactly the same way as the Stalinists justify Stalin: "I did a lot for ordinary people, restored the country, the number of victims is overstated, the people still love him ... "


                    I am a Stalinist, proud of it! was an october, a pioneer, joined the Komsomol ahead of schedule - try me, mock wassat hi wink


                    Quote: Nayhas
                    . Natsik write exactly the same thing about Hitler ... Believe me?


                    comparing me with the Natsiks, you greatly insulted me, as well as the memory of all those of my family members who died gaining the Victory, thanks to which we now live.

                    Naujas? what You have stripped me of any desire to communicate with you.
                    All the best to you.
                    Regards Karlsonn.
                    1. +1
                      6 March 2013 00: 59
                      Quote: Karlsonn
                      proud of it! was an october, a pioneer, entered ahead of schedule in the Komsomol


                      colleague hi thereby you stepped on my sore spot Yes
                      1. +4
                        6 March 2013 01: 34
                        Quote: Apollon
                        colleague thereby you stepped on my sore spot


                        --- firmly shake my hand ---
                        - actually, our vows have not been canceled! wink



                        - you won’t explain to young people how you feel when you go home for the first time with a pioneer tie, how you have to iron it every morning, and you have to manage to get it awake, you personally had to get up at 15 minutes earlier crying wink how cool it was to exchange a tie with a pioneer from another country - I lived in the Far East, we had the coolest North Korean and Vietnamese ties good

                        these were the times! children (and in my person in particular) had such access to the ball that today's children cannot even dream about, unfortunately.
                      2. lucidlook
                        +4
                        6 March 2013 01: 52
                        Everything was like that. It’s cool and sincere that it was breathtaking when it was tied for the first time. And then ... then I somehow found out that everyone will always and anyway be accepted as pioneers, that this is only a matter of age. And that second-year students from the most backward classes are also finally accepted. And so it was. And I tried to notice the difference, understand it. But alas, either pioneer vision failed me, or egalitarianism was too strong, or maybe in the beginning of the 80s the spirit of communism was already eroded from the heads of the school leadership under the influence of cooperative prices, but we were all the same and it was annoying that this bully-brawler who didn’t give you the whole year to pass, he is also a pioneer and is smiling.
                      3. +4
                        6 March 2013 02: 39
                        Quote: lucidlook
                        then I somehow found out that everyone will always and anyway be accepted as pioneers, that this is only a matter of age. And that second-year students from the most backward classes are also finally accepted.


                        and it was, but did the feeling of disappointment compare with that delight when you tied a tie?
                      4. +1
                        6 March 2013 10: 08
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        Is the feeling of disappointment compared with that delight when you tie a tie?

                        I still have my Komsomol ticket! For I "fought" for him! with three district committees with the involvement of the city committee laughing We just arrived at my husband's place of service - and the three district committees did not know where to "attach" me - at the place of residence, at the place of work in the district, or in the military unit where the departmental d / garden belonged. In short, I raised such a storm - but how! I’m a student of a pedagogical university, then I’ll come to school, to the children, and “I dropped out of the Komsomol because I didn’t register on time? I’ll go to the Central Committee in Moscow (fortunately, it was not so far away).” The first secretary of the city committee opened his eyes and asked: "Where did you come from?" Conquered! But how pleasant it was when in 2008 she became a "Delegate of the solemn event dedicated to the 90th anniversary of the Komsomol!"
                      5. lucidlook
                        +2
                        6 March 2013 12: 47
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        and it was, but did the feeling of disappointment compare with that delight when you tied a tie?

                        Hard to tell. It depends. And my personal is not so important in this case. The social significance of the pioneer organization was emasculated, the title of "pioneer" lost its value, because there was no background left, there was nothing to compare, there was no effort to achieve this title ... time is for all time and age - for all age ... It doesn't matter how good or bad you are. I believe that in that era, the era of stagnation, these processes of emasculation of the essence to one degree or another were going on in all communist organizations. As a result, it led to the substitution of concepts, because ideology does not tolerate a vacuum. The collective very quickly changed to the individual. Instead of the famous slogan "One for all and all for one", the slogan "One for all and all for one", more and more often sounded "Your shirt is closer to your body."

                        Well, then it went on and on ... thieves "freedom", thieves' habits, Western individual values. Where the ideologists and leaders were looking - I still do not understand. And they looked there, it seems. The fish and the head ... as always.
                    2. -2
                      6 March 2013 09: 46
                      I compare by results! where is the USSR, and where is Cambodia - Pol Pot ruled Kampuchea, and the result is the same, states like Kampuchea and the USSR do not exist, so it is the same.

                      comparing me with the Natsiks, you insulted me greatly - and in what ways did I insult you? I didn’t write that you are just like them, I pointed out that Natsik, justifying their idol, use the same scheme as the Stalinists. If I wrote that the Natsiks use the same alphabet as the Stalinists would you be offended too?

                      I regret that I fought off the desire to communicate, I apologize if I was tactless.
                      1. -1
                        2 October 2017 03: 10
                        Neyhas
                        You cheat - you would also compare by the time when the protons begin to decay ....
                    3. 79288730085
                      0
                      8 March 2013 23: 29
                      bravo carlson
  13. 0
    5 March 2013 09: 53
    However, Khrushchev’s “merit” was that he reduced the ceiling height of apartments from 3 meters to 2.25 (according to the American standard), reduced the area, reduced the number of floors from 12-16 floors to 5, removed balconies, elevators, and garbage chutes, combined bathrooms and toilets and reduced the life of the housing - from 100 years to less than 50.

    Well, actually, the ceilings in Khrushchev are 2,5 meters, and the balconies have not been removed. And a joint bathroom in some cases is more convenient than a separate one.
    A article +.
    1. +2
      5 March 2013 10: 38
      2,5 meters from the bottom of the ceiling to the top of the floor. Plus logs, flooring, plus the thickness of the ceiling wallpaper turns out to be exactly 2,25. Balconies were considered under the blessed Khrushchev were considered an architectural excess, but they were replaced by loggias.
      But again, article +
      1. Tambov we ...
        +3
        5 March 2013 13: 20
        From what sources did you take 2,5 meters? Yes, the height of the floor is determined from the bottom of the finished floor slab to the bottom of the finished floor slab of the next or lower floor (the overlap is usually 300 mm, of which 220 mm is a slab, the rest is insulation, screed and flooring). This value was always indicated in SNiPs. At present, it is 2,8 m (minimum). And what you present for reading on the site is your "free" interpretation of the characteristics of the house in Marseille, which was designed by Charles Jeanneret-Gris. Moreover, a typical apartment in this house was two-level, with a pocket height of 2,2 m. You have to be more careful.
  14. Denis_SF
    +12
    5 March 2013 09: 58
    In 1943, Stalin said: "I know that after my death a heap of garbage will be put on my grave, but the wind of history will mercilessly scatter it!"
    1. +5
      5 March 2013 12: 39
      ... now I started to inflate ....
  15. +12
    5 March 2013 09: 58
    Stalin is a great man, today's "analysts" are unworthy to clean his boots.
    1. Aleksey44
      -26
      5 March 2013 10: 10
      Would you like to live at the time of this great man? I think not very much!
      1. +11
        5 March 2013 10: 53
        And why not, then an honest man had nothing to fear then, my grandmothers and grandfathers also told me that. Yes, there were denunciations of honest people, but they practically dealt with them, and if they took them away they let them go. Everything else is slander directed change of consciousness of people.
        1. +1
          5 March 2013 11: 41
          Nevertheless, there was such a thing:
          "After the February party plenum of 1937, whose decisions, in fact, stimulated repression, arrests at GAZ took on a massive character. At that time, the best specialists of the plant were arrested: director SS Dyakonov, chief engineer AS Ivanov, Ch. power engineer G.M. Zelberg, deputy director E.M. Rubin, head of the tool die building S.Z.Bondarchik, head of sales V.S.Kukanov, former secretary of the party committee A.S. Zashibaev, deputy secretary of the party committee S.A. Osipov, the leader of the automobile plant Komsomol V. Sorokin By the end of 1937 there were almost no shop managers left at the plant. years to build a plant, establish production and those who remained in the USSR. "
          Really all these people, who led the construction and launch of the car factory, were traitors, spies and wreckers. Maybe all the same there were excesses?
          1. +8
            5 March 2013 12: 58
            Learn more about these people, because their арестовали. And the second, just imagine yourself in his place, in the army a conspiracy, the fifth column has not yet been completely eliminated, anti-soviet sowing discord, there are still enough spies in the country. Indeed, in the eyes of the West, the USSR was indeed a threat to its state system. And you know that, but no time. You cannot judge where you have not been, study yes, judge no. Just mentally put yourself in his place. After all, no one will deny that he did not pursue personal, selfish goals, yachts, villas, accounts in Western banks .............. he pursued the goal of strengthening the country, making the people wealthy and hardworking. In general, he was a patriot, not a traitor.
            1. +6
              5 March 2013 14: 00
              Mareman Vasilich hi

              Quote: Mareman Vasilich
              And why not, then an honest man had nothing to fear then, my grandmothers and grandfathers also told me that. Yes, there were denunciations of honest people, but they practically dealt with them, and if they took them away they let them go. Everything else is slander directed change of consciousness of people.


              Quote: Mareman Vasilich
              Learn more about these people, because they were arrested.






              1. 0
                5 March 2013 14: 07











                http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/741997.html
                1. 0
                  5 March 2013 14: 16
                  AND..........
                  1. +7
                    5 March 2013 15: 21
                    Quote: Mareman Vasilich
                    AND..........


                    as an argument I drove you, and from creacles and liberoids you can only hear about Solzhenitsyn’s 60 000 000 innocent.
                    1. +3
                      5 March 2013 15: 32
                      then we understood each other correctly.
                      1. +6
                        5 March 2013 16: 01
                        Quote: Mareman Vasilich
                        then we understood each other correctly.


                        Yes sir! drinks

                        By the way drew attention to those sentenced to death for falsification of investigative materials and illegal arrests?
                      2. +2
                        5 March 2013 19: 18
                        Necessarily, everything was taken into account in Russian in white.
                    2. Son
                      Son
                      +3
                      5 March 2013 16: 21
                      Impressed ... Where did access come from ..? Such information, yes to the masses ...
                      1. 0
                        5 March 2013 18: 56
                        Quote: Son
                        Where does access come from ..? Such information, yes to the masses ...


                        link at the end of scans - recommend drinks
                      2. Volkh
                        -4
                        6 March 2013 17: 16
                        Quote: Son
                        Impressed ... Where did access come from ..? Such information, yes to the masses ...

                        excuse me, but why? The mass will surely have softer and more comfortable paper, and the self-rolls are out of use.
            2. Volkh
              0
              6 March 2013 17: 12
              Quote: Mareman Vasilich
              know more about these people, because they were arrested. And second, just imagine yourself in his place, in the army a conspiracy, the fifth column has not yet been completely eliminated

              And what a conspiracy, such a conspiracy that they still argue whether he wasn’t.
              Do you really believe what you are saying? If so then I sincerely feel sorry for you.
          2. +2
            5 March 2013 13: 24
            Ask for a start who and on whom wrote denunciations, so that they were arrested, and then write about the "repression" ...
            1. 0
              5 March 2013 13: 40
              what are you talking about?
          3. +5
            5 March 2013 13: 44
            Uzoliv
            Of course, the excesses were in place. However, in your case, I don’t think that everything was unfair. And not only because foreign specialists and people trained in America worked there. Perhaps the plant's management cheerfully reported about some deadline for completing the assignment. And it did not meet the deadline. At the time, this was seen as sabotage. Those. - sabotage. Not sure - don't promise. He promised - do it! And judging by the list given by you, nobody touched the workers! Perhaps there was some kind of "sticking to the handles". However, who will admit this now? All were repressed, period. This needs to be raised and clarified in order to understand. yes at the same time and see who gave the "signals" .... Sometimes, an interesting "movie" turns out. hi
            1. lucidlook
              +5
              5 March 2013 16: 51
              Quote: Egoza
              Of course, the excesses were in place.

              The infamous Khrushev was one of the main excesses in terms of executions. Well, we all know what he then poured out on the Leader, what "historical" studies were under him.
          4. +6
            5 March 2013 15: 53
            Excuse me, did Stalin arrest them personally? On the ground, a lot of excesses were allowed. Yezhov was shot for this. On Khrushchev's letter, where he asked to increase the execution limits by the hand of Stalin, it was written: "Calm down, you fool."
          5. +5
            6 March 2013 00: 15
            Stalin would start to deal with arrests and exile. Yezhov and Yagols of various kinds were not enough. Khrushchev himself, who was pissed off, asked Stalin to increase the quotas for executions. And on the ground, all sorts of opportunists wrote denunciations and old-style engineers, but all kinds of scum harmed production. Stalin noted this in the article "Excessive Localities".
            1. lucidlook
              +3
              6 March 2013 01: 38
              Quote: Alexey Garbuz
              This Stalin noted in the article "Excesses in the Field"

              You are confusing something. First, the article was titled "Dizziness with Success" (the full title was "Dizziness with Success. On Questions of the Collective Farm Movement"). And secondly, it came out in March 1930, i.e. 7 years before the infamous NKVD order 00447.

              However, I admit that in fact the article is very close to what happened 7 years after its publication. What once again emphasizes the fact that the top of the CPSU (b) was rotten, and the poet they strangled each other almost without ceasing throughout all these years.
            2. +4
              6 March 2013 01: 45
              Quote: Alexey Garbuz
              Khlushchev, who had been bent, asked Stalin to increase quotas for execution.

              Khrushchev tried to otmazatsya from the Crimea with blood.


              Quote: Alexey Garbuz
              And on the ground, all sorts of opportunists were written by denunciations and engineers of the old model, but all scum harm production


              scum - not frolic for a long time, look at the scans above good


              Quote: Alexey Garbuz
              Stalin noted this in the article "Excessive Localities".


              if I’m not mistaken, Stalin’s speech from the 1930 year, the children don’t know what kind of hunger bourcrats of the Sovapparat were shot for in Ukraine, that the 1931-32 specialists reduced the supply of grain abroad, namely mass starvation, registry, fraud - this is the term today acquired a somewhat vulgar meaning feel , forced Stalin to search for a Chekist not covered by the International and the central apparatus of the NKVD, it was from the middle of the 1932 and until the appointment of Beria that the People's Commissar began the purge of the Chekists and the army, as enemies of the people! who they essentially were.
          6. +1
            6 March 2013 00: 53
            Quote: Uzoliv
            All were arrested. Almost all the designers of the automobile plant who had completed training in America were subjected to repression. Many foreign specialists, who had arrived in the early 30s to build the plant, to establish production, and those who remained in the USSR, were destroyed. "
            Really all these people, who led the construction and launch of the car factory, were traitors, spies and wreckers. Maybe all the same there were excesses?


            compare the production of cars, if there were such heavy arrests in 1937, then the release should have fallen, if it did not fall sharply, then what you wrote here is a lie.
          7. +3
            6 March 2013 02: 36
            Quote: Uzoliv

            Nevertheless, there was such a thing:
            "After the February party plenum of 1937, whose decisions, in fact, stimulated repression, arrests at GAZ became widespread

            At the same time, there was another. My grandfather’s brother was an imperial officer, married to a noblewoman and was in the White Army for some time. I found him alive. The most intelligent person was. In the 37th he was arrested, sentenced to death and a month waiting for the execution of the sentence in prison. But his complaint was examined, sorted out and acquitted. The rest of my life I lived in Kiev. And he worked until retirement with material values. My own grandfather, after introducing several taxes on him, as a prosperous peasant, could not pay the tax, was arrested. I served a few months. The family was evicted from their home. In the winter. Also the brother of the white officer. Then they sorted it out. Grandfather was released. The house was returned. Four of his sons went through the war. One heroically died in the Crimea.
            Not all without exception were shot. IMHO. Although, perhaps, there were "excesses". Who didn't have them and when?
        2. Aleksey44
          -6
          5 March 2013 13: 30
          As I understand it, is denunciation in itself a normal occurrence? Well, think about it, it is not fair that a person was arrested at the denunciation of a neighbor or colleague - there’s nothing wrong with anyone. After all, the vigilant bodies will sort it out and let it go home, but they will apologize to the last, forgive me, they say, a mistake
          1. Cheloveck
            +9
            5 March 2013 15: 40
            Quote: Aleksey44
            As I understand it, is denunciation in itself a normal occurrence? Well, think about it, it is not fair that a person was arrested at the denunciation of a neighbor or colleague - there’s nothing wrong with anyone. After all, the vigilant bodies will sort it out and let it go home, but they will apologize to the last, forgive me, they say, a mistake

            You will be surprised, but called, sorted out and released as much as you like, and even (oh god!) Apologized.
            I will tell you a little secret.
            If you look at the documents of that era, it suddenly turns out that the proportion of acquittals reached up to 20%.
            In addition, most sentences were sentenced to 10 years, very rarely 15 (the average political term was about 6 years).
            The famous 25 years began to be given after the decree of 26.05.1947/XNUMX/XNUMX abolishing the death penalty in the USSR.
            Hmm, which Nikita safely buried.

            Learn history not from textbooks, but documents from the corresponding era.
          2. +4
            5 March 2013 16: 30
            Quote: Aleksey44
            As I understand it, is denunciation in itself a normal occurrence?

            So in fact it is completely "European" !!! In France, for centuries, concierges reported, in Germany, in Italy - and everywhere where there was a similar position, or where the church approved it. Look at the historical layer horizontally, not vertically for one country. And you will see that this was the norm for all countries of that time!
          3. +3
            5 March 2013 18: 36
            What another! Stop by any city, the cradle of democracy. The FIRST who sees you will be the first to snitch on you. He will instantly knock on the police that a stranger has appeared in the city. Settle where realties and any of your non-standard movement will "illuminate" both neighbors. And if it seems to them, it will only seem ... Do you think it's different in Europe? They are taught from an early age, denunciation is valor!
          4. Tambov we ...
            0
            6 March 2013 03: 06
            The denunciation in those days was worse than the executions of Egypt. My uncles, being one surname, changed it to three strangers ...
      2. +3
        5 March 2013 13: 11
        I would love to live in those days, but my parents let us down
      3. +5
        5 March 2013 13: 36
        Quote: Aleksey44
        Would you like to live at the time of this great man?

        Yes with pleasure! And they lived, and still want to live! Honest people had nothing to fear! Look at the photographs, pre-war documentaries .... Where will you see people frightened by fear?
        1. -10
          5 March 2013 16: 23
          Yes with pleasure! And they lived, and still want to live! Honest people had nothing to fear!


          Would you like to live in a country similar to North Korea? However, you are an esthete.
          1. Kir
            +1
            5 March 2013 16: 36
            I apologize for interfering in a personal dialogue, but it doesn’t seem nice to you that for all countries and peoples there are no universal recipes, and what is more like your people not only not suitable for others, but maybe simply unacceptable to others?
            1. -5
              5 March 2013 16: 45
              what your people like best not only doesn’t suit others, but it may just be unacceptable to others


              If you are in response to my post, then it seems that in both North and South Korea the same people.
              1. Kir
                +2
                5 March 2013 17: 03
                I don’t know how it is now, but earlier there was a trietnogroup of Power, Pekche and some other third, I advise if you find a good Korean serial film we have (in Russian translation) "Monk", it just says about the time of the formation of a unified state. there all ethnic groups are named. Moreover, it is not worth writing off how the shtatovtsy got in, so ........
                1. -3
                  5 March 2013 17: 26
                  Subsequently, they still had a single state. But all this has nothing to do with the topic.
                  Here we have a clear example, so to speak - the same people with their beloved leader and without a leader.
                  1. Kir
                    +4
                    5 March 2013 18: 02
                    Well, so Kitaev is the same sort of as two, Continental and island, and that of the USSR, and before that the Russian Empire, and so on to infinity. And by the way, for you, my dear, well, except of course the northern territories, are the Chinese the same people? Plus, even if the history of the solvent does not tolerate, but where is the guarantee that the current division would not be harnessed by external forces? So this is a fortune-telling on coffee grounds, there is as it is, the question is in whom else and why this provision does not suit, others may also have a list of questions and claims to them, and why some take on the right to determine how and what right, maybe at first it’s worthwhile to present this deceived certificate, of course, with the personal signature of the Lord God, well, to the end with the facsemile thereof. And?
                    1. -3
                      5 March 2013 18: 08
                      Sorry, I did not understand a damn thing in your post, except about China. China, if anything, just moved away from "leaderism" and just in time.
                      1. Kir
                        +2
                        5 March 2013 18: 17
                        Well, he left, and the new one seems to be looking again at the side of legism, and with regards to the post, read carefully, and if something in PM.
                  2. 0
                    2 October 2017 03: 30
                    And you are exactly the one whom they call Zh.i.d.om.
          2. +2
            5 March 2013 18: 58
            Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
            Would you like to live in a country similar to North Korea?


            Can North Korea and the USSR be equal?


            Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
            However, you are an esthete.


            However, admit, you are writing from an alternative reality to us?
            1. -2
              5 March 2013 19: 24
              Can North Korea and the USSR be equal?

              Why not? Comrade Kim also took over the country with a plow, and left with a nuclear bomb.
              DPRK today is just a paradise for fans of the USSR - nostalgia at every turn.

              1. +4
                6 March 2013 00: 59
                Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
                Why not? Comrade Kim also took over the country with a plow, and left with a nuclear bomb.


                And you do not write much from the land? remind me how and how the kibbutzim started, how the British threw you then, so your people began to blow up the Angles a la Palestinian terrorists wassat
                for one, remind me how kibbutzim look today winked
                Israel was created thanks to Stalin, have a conscience at least a gram.


                Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
                DPRK today is just a paradise for fans of the USSR - nostalgia at every turn.


                Are you jealous? that there are people like the ordinary border troops of the Korean People's Democratic Republic, for whom the ideals of communism are more important than money?
                1. 0
                  6 March 2013 11: 40
                  And you do not write much from the land? remind me how and how the kibbutzim started, how the British threw you then, so your people began to blow up the Angles a la Palestinian terrorists

                  Nevertheless, there were no gulags and mass executions.
                  for one, remind me how kibbutzim look today

                  Kibbutzim today have outlived themselves, once again proving the failure of the communist path.
                  Israel was created thanks to Stalin, have a conscience at least a gram.

                  Hotel thanks to Comrade Stalin and Comrade Gromyko for Israel. But there was also the "Doctors' Plot", the murder of Mikhoels and the rout of the Jewish anti-fascist committee.
              2. Tambov we ...
                +1
                6 March 2013 03: 11
                Do not jerk. DPRK is not the USSR. This is a veiled monarchy of the latest type.
                1. -1
                  6 March 2013 11: 44
                  And Stalin's USSR is not a "veiled monarchy of the latest type"? The similarities are much more than the differences.
              3. 0
                2 October 2017 03: 38
                Tourist Breakfast
                For some reason, you don’t like it when you were shot at from the Dutch heights with just some fragmentation shells, and S. Korea would like to be razed by more than one generation of your favorite FSA ..
          3. Kaa
            +3
            5 March 2013 19: 11
            Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
            Would you like to live in a country similar to North Korea

            Are you inviting guests? This is not Israeli, by chance the site writes
            : "Totalitarianism in Israel:" Who's Walking Right There? "
            Jews failed to build communism in Russia, but they do not give up hope of building totalitarianism in Israel.

            The police took up the "investigation" of the case of literature professor Weiss. This man cursed a police officer during the forced eviction of Jews from Hebron, when a police officer used brute physical force against his children. Police are trying to interpret the wish of death to a police bandit as incitement. Did the left believe in the materialization of desires?
            A member of the Knesset from the Shas Marga party asked Bar Ilan University to support Professor Weiss. The president of the university replied that the professor’s curse on the sadistic policeman was “a terrible and chilling crime.” For a leftist holding a presidential academic post, the expulsion of Jews from Hebron, the ancient capital of King David, is by no means an eerie or chilling soul.
            The residents of Hebron today met the chief inspector of the police, who arrived in the city with a check, a lot of such wishes. Http://samsonblinded.org/newsru/1005
            1. -4
              5 March 2013 19: 26
              Are you inviting guests? This is not Israeli, by chance the site writes


              I got the feeling that you just don’t get out of Israeli sites. What is it for?
              1. AlexW
                +4
                5 March 2013 20: 57
                Tourist's Breakfast, Liquid laughing Him facts, and he about his feelings
                1. Kaa
                  0
                  5 March 2013 21: 06
                  Quote: AlexW
                  Him facts, and he about his feelings

                  From a vulgar bearded anecdote about Chapay "... Petka, do you feel a grenade in your jo ... feel? -Aaaaschuuuschaaaayu! - And a ring, that's it!", That's what sensations (true, or inspired) can lead to, without comprehension. ..
              2. Kaa
                +1
                5 March 2013 21: 11
                Quote: Tourist's Breakfast

                Are you inviting guests? This is not Israeli, by chance the site writes
                I got the feeling that you just don’t get out of Israeli sites. What is it for?
                How long has it happened? What owes such observation? bully
                When I was a child, I remember the fairy tale "Kingdom of Crooked Mirrors", when I read Israeli websites, just like in childhood ... I get into a fairy tale ... it's nice, you know, to return to childhood for a second ... to look in a "crooked mirror".
                1. 0
                  6 March 2013 11: 53
                  I understand that in Ukraine everything in shykolada and reading native sites no longer delivers?
              3. +2
                6 March 2013 01: 01
                Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
                that you just don’t get out of Israeli sites. What is it for?


                and we are always glad to comrades from Israel drinks
                1. +3
                  6 March 2013 12: 01
                  and we are always glad to comrades from Israel

                  I'm leaving!

          4. s1н7т
            +4
            6 March 2013 02: 41
            Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
            Would you like to live in a country similar to North Korea? However

            Does it blow your head away from the heat?
            In the 70-80s, when my parents told me how they lived in the 30-50s, I envied them in a good way!
            Poor you, only the Arab bullet will correct you.
            1. -1
              6 March 2013 11: 52
              Does it blow your head away from the heat?

              It's cool here.

              In the 70-80s, when my parents told me how they lived in the 30-50s, I envied them in a good way!

              Would you like from 2013 to 1937?

              Poor you, only the Arab bullet will correct you.

              A bullet is better than bending off from hunger under the port of a beloved leader at the next construction site of socialism.
          5. sasha1952
            +4
            6 March 2013 15: 54
            if Stalin in53 removed the Communist Party Party Communist Party from power, people would live very well
      4. +7
        5 March 2013 13: 53
        Aleksey44

        Quote: Aleksey44
        Would you like to live at the time of this great man? I think not very much!


        At a time when my Motherland went from wooden plow to space flight, simultaneously winning the worst and greatest war in the history of mankind, at a time when children dreamed of being astronauts, scientists, military, engineers, etc., at a time when parents were confident is that their children will live better than them? what
        I personally:
        - YES!
        1. Tambov we ...
          -2
          6 March 2013 03: 31
          You are repeating a myth invented by someone - like, from plow to stars ... And if you recall the development of Russia in the 19th century - railways, an armored fleet, factories and manufactories, RADIO finally!
          1. Kir
            0
            6 March 2013 03: 57
            And if you remember everything starting from the creation of the world, then ....., and if without scurrying, then a rather unsightly picture comes out losing the Russian-Japanese, 1905. well, then 1914-1917 the First World War smoothly flowed into the Civil War, by the way, that's what's interesting, that as from the Russian-Japanese. so the Yankees came out of the First World with a win, and it seems like they did not selflessly finance the revolution of 1917, why would this "charity", and after so many decades, do not forget that both external and internal enemies did not want to allow revival. nevertheless, we were the first in the cosmos. the first correct nuclear submarine is ours, even though the Yankees are formally the first, unless of course we consider that they did not have such losses either, and they raised money from orders, and got hold of specialists from all over the world, thanks to their efforts, thanks to their efforts, the Germans after the 17th , but all the same, the reactor was shoved into a diesel case, and the achievements in the field of rocketry are also mainly due to other people's personnel, etc., etc.
            1. Tambov we ...
              -1
              6 March 2013 04: 48
              Your post is too voluminous, and too yankonizirovanny and perhaps has no evidence. The 1904 war was not lost.
              1. Kir
                +2
                6 March 2013 05: 07
                No, read Shulgin's blessed memory "What We Don't Like About Them", and he was not the only one who pointed out that in the collapse of the empire, minke whales with brits played the first violin, and by no means Germany, which had only to end the war with less losses. How about not losing? That is, We just gave Sakhalin and the Kuriles? Along with this, I wonder why the fugitive bastard found shelter in these states or those under their control? And with regards to Japan, it is a well-known fact that behind them there were striped whales with shaves. So the puppets change, but the puppeteers are the same.
      5. +3
        5 March 2013 16: 34
        I would like to. I would have dreamed! What miracles could be involved in the construction! What were the open spaces for work, how much could be implemented and done! But, if I had a choice (why not dream), I would rub myself into the archives of the NKVD. These are my dreams, yes ... To establish statistics and analysis of the arrests ... thousands of people could be released. To cut down the root of the Trotskyist operation to slander the best ... Lev Davidovich instructed his followers so that when they were taken, they would stipulate more best specialists that they knew all about. I would have given everything for putting things in order in such a case ...
        1. Kir
          +2
          5 March 2013 19: 44
          Honoring and respecting the past, the most important thing is to keep such scum as Trotskyism and others like them from appearing in the world, but in general, in the mind, one should not give a damn about the feelings of the relatives of the victims (by the way, it is not those who are unjust who yell more, but those who either know or guess for what !!!), and open all the archives, with the exception of, of course, the part concerning the state secrets, otherwise for some reason all of these would suddenly reach out to the archives, obviously to clean up and blot out the active fate of their ancestors !!! As the saying goes, let the People know the heroes with a minus sign and their last ones, and conversations like that the people are dark and do not understand examples of the typical verbiage of the "chosen" who always convey the truth in their presentation.
        2. Tambov we ...
          0
          6 March 2013 05: 07
          You are late years, commercials on 80
      6. s1н7т
        +6
        6 March 2013 02: 34
        Quote: Aleksey44
        Would you like to live at the time of this great man? I think not very much!

        My parents lived in those days - they got an education, work, housing, gave birth and raised children - what else is needed ?! Mother of the dispossessed, father of the "former". My father took a vacation, from ZakVO in 53 he went to the funeral. He was not a member of the CPSU (b) / CPSU.
        Why should I be afraid ?! I am not a thief, not a "liberal", I have not betrayed my oath.
        And yet - these were not the times of a great man, but of a great country, of which everyone felt himself a part.
        The rest - excesses (what was, was) and a lie!
        1. +2
          6 March 2013 02: 42
          Quote: c1n7
          My parents lived in those days - they got an education, work, housing, gave birth and raised children - what else is needed ?! Mother of the dispossessed, father of the "former". My father took a vacation, from ZakVO in 53 he went to the funeral. He was not a member of the CPSU (b) / CPSU.
          Why should I be afraid ?! I am not a thief, not a "liberal", I have not betrayed my oath.
          And yet - these were not the times of a great man, but of a great country, of which everyone felt himself a part.
          The rest - excesses (what was, was) and a lie!


          five points!
  16. Dima67
    +9
    5 March 2013 10: 09
    Too much howling from the west and dogs hung on Stalin to make it possible to conclude that everything was done correctly. What is good for Russia is death for a foreign country. And then they say they say, repent of your bloody past. And for the fact that they did not allow under the guise of democracy to pour into the country all the Western slops that we have now.
  17. +3
    5 March 2013 10: 12
    Why they killed Stalin. Zaznobin V.M. (from the third minute ...)

    1. +1
      5 March 2013 11: 24
      Quote: Boris55
      Why they killed Stalin. Zaznobin V.M. (from the third minute ...)

      Clever man! I especially liked it: every nation has that government, which is worthy given its morality !!! That's for sure !!! good hi
    2. shpuntik
      +4
      5 March 2013 23: 59
      Seems like one of the reasons. Indeed, inflation acts as a surcharge. For example, in the city more than three children cannot be "raised", despite the fact that their mothers work like savrasks.
  18. +2
    5 March 2013 10: 13
    In the field of providing the population with housing it was under Stalin that in 1952, a program of industrial construction, mass housing construction, was adopted. This program was recorded in the merits of Khrushchev. However, the “merit” of Khrushchev was that he reduced the ceiling height of apartments from 3 meters to 2.25 (according to the American standard), reduced the area, reduced the number of floors from 12-16 floors to 5, removed balconies, elevators, and garbage disposal, combined bathrooms and toilets and reduced the lifespan of housing — from 100 years to less than 50.

    ABOUT! A very important point.
  19. zambo
    +7
    5 March 2013 10: 18
    Everything written in the article is true. For example, about the reduction in prices, my grandfather said that wages were growing, and prices for goods decreased only under Stalin. Under other rulers, prices only rose.

    The 20th century gave Russia a ruler of such magnitude that or whom will the 21st century give us?
    1. mda
      mda
      +5
      5 March 2013 13: 18
      Quote: zamboy
      The 20th century gave Russia a ruler of such magnitude that or whom will the 21st century give us?

      every time in a difficult time for Russia, God gave her a man who restored what was destroyed. I hope, and this time, God will not turn his back on Russia
      1. s1н7т
        -3
        6 March 2013 02: 48
        Quote: mda-a
        in difficult times for Russia, God gave her a man who

        gaining 146% ?! laughing
        Shopopets, people go wild!
    2. Volkh
      -3
      6 March 2013 17: 27
      Quote: zamboy
      Everything written in the article is true. For example, about the reduction in prices, my grandfather said that wages were growing, and prices for goods decreased only under Stalin.

      Have you ever studied economics? Let's say at an institute or university, tell me, how long can this last?
  20. AK-47
    +1
    5 March 2013 10: 18
    No one in the world expected that after such an extremely brutal war, the USSR would restore its economy in such a short time. In fact, by the beginning of 1948, the restoration phase had been completed, which made it possible to cancel the card system and carry out monetary reform.
    1. Aleksey44
      0
      5 March 2013 11: 52
      Do not sleep, dear comrade Stalin began the war, and would not have to restore anything?
    2. Aleksey44
      -11
      5 March 2013 11: 56
      So maybe I wouldn’t have to restore anything, if not for the pros. Stalin began the war.
      1. +4
        5 March 2013 14: 13
        Quote: Aleksey44
        So maybe I wouldn’t have to restore anything, if not for the pros. Stalin began the war.


        You personally held a candle and saw how Stalin slept?
        1. Aleksey44
          -11
          5 March 2013 14: 51
          But he didn’t know the poor man, and even had no idea what kind of event the treacherous Hitler had planned for June 22? Oh yes, I forgot completely, because the enemies were around, the information was concealed and distorted. So what?
          Yes, our country has won. But she won not because of, but in spite of. Everything could be different.
          1. Yashka Gorobets
            +5
            5 March 2013 16: 00
            Alexei, you’re so naive. Hitler himself postponed the beginning of the war several times, plus besides information from intelligence, which was also contradictory by the way, how much desa were there? Also, the children didn’t serve tea in Abwehr. Plus there’s a whole bunch of other factors. It’s easy to speculate Yes, yes.
          2. +5
            5 March 2013 16: 08
            Quote: Aleksey44
            Yes, our country has won. But she won not because of, but in spite of. Everything could be different.


            yeah, contrary laughing Stalin, as Commander-in-Chief, together with the General Staff, ordered one thing, and the whole country did the opposite! only because of this they won !!!
            - Stop discussing with the help of hackneyed stamps, tired.
            1. Aleksey44
              -4
              5 March 2013 19: 44
              No, it’s just that the country paid with huge blood for wrong and untimely decisions.
              1. AlexW
                +5
                5 March 2013 20: 53
                Aleksey44, It was necessary with little blood, like the whole of Gevrop in front of Hitler - immediately spread to the back and legs fellow
              2. +2
                6 March 2013 02: 43
                Quote: Aleksey44
                No, it’s just that the country paid with huge blood for wrong and untimely decisions.


                Well, you would have done everything right!
        2. Volkh
          -2
          6 March 2013 17: 29
          Quote: Karlsonn
          You personally held a candle and saw how Stalin slept?

          Naturally, it’s not Stalin, Stalin is building everything with us, lowering prices, etc., etc. but how to get to the worst it’s the enemies, it’s not Stalin, he didn’t know anything, but how he found out he punished the guilty.
      2. Tambov we ...
        +1
        6 March 2013 03: 40
        But he didn’t oversleep, as you broadcast on the whole site. He had the main task - to prevent war in the near future. But what happened, what happened ...
        1. Kir
          +1
          6 March 2013 04: 12
          Well, with regards to Alexey44, this is ........, but here's what is interesting. You look at the biography of Professor L.D. Kudryavtsev. this is to the question of the beginning of the war, I actually came across by chance if I were recommending a biography from among the graduates of this very figure, I recommend a biography more than entertaining !!!
  21. +5
    5 March 2013 10: 20
    erased,
    Quote: erased
    Enemies were stronger. Both external and internal. Stalin was removed, Beria was killed. The USSR rolled by inertia until 1991 and fell. And we disentangle the consequences. See Stalin's current Russia, to put it mildly, would be stunned by lawlessness. T

    Someone ascribes to Stalin some kind of phobia, like he was afraid of everything. But history says the opposite. He was not afraid of people, he was afraid of time. By and large, he should have thought more about himself, about his security, you would look and clean up the district, would reason the negligent. No, not that person, work, state, people in the first place. What can I say, a granite block, not a man.
    http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5211/39923215.2/0_6f037_26a3613c_orig
  22. Dima67
    +4
    5 March 2013 10: 21
    One sad thing is that we are all here, as if on a mound in a house near the trunks, let off steam and calmed down. My neighbor grandfather spoke. - Bring the father-in-law and we will remove our entire government after the litrushka.
    1. +8
      5 March 2013 11: 15
      The masses are infected with the "Golden Calf", "Bread and circuses!" and therefore unconscious, disconnected, short-sighted, unintelligent

      Dima67,
      Quote: Dima67
      One sad thing is that we are all here, as if on a mound in a house near the trunks, let off steam and calmed down. My neighbor grandfather spoke. - Bring the father-in-law and we will remove our entire government after the litrushka.

      The masses are infected with the "Golden Calf", "Bread and circuses!" and therefore unconscious, disunited, short-sighted, unenlightened and therefore stupid. Do not consider it rude, the current electorate is a herd of pigs with a full trough and a dry bedding made of straw in mind.
      Once, a student came to an old wise teacher and asked
      -And why do you think that life is bad, because people have plenty of food, they are cheerful, free.
      The host answers
      -Go to the stable, there you will see your answer.
  23. Moritz
    +7
    5 March 2013 10: 29
    there was no larger person in world history
    1. s1н7т
      -1
      6 March 2013 02: 53
      Quote: moritz
      there was no larger person in world history

      Well, there was Lenin, who, in fact, created the USSR. Stalin, though brilliant, but only used the results of Ilyich’s work.
      1. Kir
        +6
        6 March 2013 03: 33
        Well, you can argue that Lenin, for all his originality, is still more of an ideologist and philosophers. and I.V. Stalin is still a talented, one might even say a brilliant manager, by the way, in this regard, it is interesting that Stalin is considered a popularizer of Lenin's works, by the way, though briefly, he read both of them, as they say in one city two big differences, but with regards to the USSR, it was like 1924 and finally 1939, and there was not much to use, since the first Bolshevik women were for the most part akin to the demons of F.M. Dostoevsky, to destroy, demolish, raise with fiery speeches more similar to spells not that for hysteria, but how did I almost forget to arrange if that ... ... this is please, the same idea of ​​a world revolution is worth something! ", then, during the reign of the leader, not so much remained of of the first list, by the way, during the existence of the RSFSR-USSR, you will see what ministers and at what time who worked are respected in their sectors, directions, if we know the first, then for the most part they were just the first, and not as if not on business.
  24. +15
    5 March 2013 10: 29
    I.V. Stalin was concerned not only with the economic development of the country, but also with the cultural and spiritual growth of the entire people. In each village there were clubs, libraries, sports sections. At the theaters, special teams were created that went to the villages with concerts, and sometimes performed their performances right in the field. And it was the policy of UNITY of the whole people! "City" did not forget about who feeds them with bread, and in the villages people who worked very hard, did not feel like people of the "second class". And they knew that really talented people could achieve extraordinary success. For example, I.S. Kozlovsky (who does not know this name!) Always came to his native village Maryanovka, which is near Kiev. He helped open a music school there, and at his own expense often bought instruments for children there. It was a FOLK artist! Try now to invite Mr. Kirkorov and other stars to come to the village and give a free concert there!
    But with I.V. For Stalin, this was considered the norm for artists and was even a matter of pride!
    1. +12
      5 March 2013 10: 58
      Golden words, Comrade Fidget! Unity, it is unity that determines the welfare and defense capability of the state, nation. Stalin saw this, and made history, the history of the Russian people (I will not explain what it means to be Russian). Now enemies with the help of betrayal from above dealt a blow precisely to the unity of the nation, in the end we have what we have.
      1. sasha1952
        +2
        6 March 2013 16: 39
        I completely agree with you all + 100%
  25. radar75
    -26
    5 March 2013 10: 32
    Another article about Stalin. Halva, halva, halva ... Not sweet. Bitterly. We must move forward, not pray for an idol.
    1. +8
      5 March 2013 10: 38
      The past determines the future. I will not, for this reason, quote.
      Do you forbid us to think about the past and want to deprive us of our future and impose our own?
      1. Aleksey44
        -7
        5 March 2013 15: 46
        Who forbids you to think, my dear? What a discussion you’ve got, you’ll read it!
        1. +9
          5 March 2013 16: 20
          Quote: Aleksey44
          Who forbids you to think, my dear?


          haven't you forgotten how the CPSU was banned, and instead of it you organized a bourgeois puppet of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation? maybe you don’t know that in Lviv, if you go out with a red flag on May 9, you will “drive” to the “monkey house”?
          what, calling Stalin a criminal and equating communism and fascism, your like-minded people push the idea of ​​revising the results of the Second World War?
          in the Baltic States, too, there are your like-minded people who call Stalin a bloodthirsty tyrant, they regularly hold parades in memory of the ss sheep, maybe it will be more convenient for you with them?

          1. Aleksey44
            -2
            5 March 2013 20: 54
            You are talking nonsense, dear! What are my like-minded people? What do you even know about me and my beliefs ?! No need to teach me common truths. Without you, I know that fascism defeated the Soviet people, I know that the West is trying to reconsider the causes and results of the Second World War, and I am disgusted by this, just like you. I am sick of the sight of former SS men marching through the cities of the former Soviet republics.
            I just can’t understand how to idealize a person who has committed so many crimes against his own people. Famine of the thirties, collectivization for industrialization, the Finnish war and much more! Yes, there were certain successes, I do not argue. But at what cost ???
            1. +2
              6 March 2013 01: 49
              Quote: Aleksey44
              I just can’t understand how to idealize a person who has committed so many crimes against his own people. Famine of the thirties, collectivization for industrialization, the Finnish war and much more!


              as? in facts - results.


              Quote: Aleksey44
              Yes, there were certain successes, I do not argue. But at what cost ???


              3 revolution, THREE! Civil! The Great Patriotic War!!
              probably you could be better?
    2. +5
      5 March 2013 10: 59
      For reference.
      Who did not know the story, deprived of the future.
      1. Aleksey44
        -3
        5 March 2013 15: 52
        I know a story no worse than you, I just differently evaluate what happened in our country during the reign of Genius of all times and peoples of comrade. Stalin.
        On the "quarter" of the camps, I already blabbed for sure laughing
        1. +2
          5 March 2013 16: 34
          Quote: Aleksey44
          On the "quarter" of the camps, I already blabbed for sure

          Meli, Emelya - your week!
          (Or do you really want to become a victim? So that you later become a hero? It can already be a complex, my friend!)
          1. Aleksey44
            -9
            5 March 2013 18: 06
            Stupid you are a brother. I’m making fun of you, of the apostles!
            1. +3
              5 March 2013 19: 05
              Egoza not only is he an ignoramus, he’s also a boor,

              Quote: Aleksey44
              I’m making fun of you!


              hammer on "radish", on this sunny day as they say:

              1. +3
                5 March 2013 19: 15
                Quote: Karlsonn
                hammer on "radish"

                Radishes divorced something what Probably time to do weeding wassat hi
            2. +2
              5 March 2013 19: 17
              Quote: Aleksey44
              Stupid you are a brother. I’m making fun of you!

              Muder wassat I’m sure that you’re kidding and not breaking off fool
            3. +3
              5 March 2013 19: 33
              Quote: Aleksey44
              Stupid you are a brother.

              You minus brother. Women should be more polite.
            4. +3
              5 March 2013 20: 26
              Quote: Aleksey44
              Stupid you are a brother. I’m making fun of you, of the apostles!

              It pinned on you when they gave birth!
              Know the place and time for your jokes
        2. +2
          5 March 2013 19: 23
          no, not a quarter, you talked to a nuthouse.
    3. +2
      5 March 2013 12: 44
      Without knowing the past, you cannot build the future ...
    4. +4
      5 March 2013 13: 28
      Where ahead - to the OUN "Square" Ukraine with its SS marches ?????????
    5. +9
      5 March 2013 14: 15
      Quote: radar75
      We must move forward, not pray for an idol.


      sorry idol in your head, and we are trying to resist the constant and ubiquitous watering by the slop of the past of our country.
    6. Cheloveck
      +9
      5 March 2013 14: 51
      Quote: radar75
      We must move forward, not pray for an idol.
      So, who would object that it is necessary to move forward ...
      Ahn, the stone flower doesn’t come out ...
      All republics are moving, beside Belarus.
      And because they are trying to take off their pants over their heads, forgetting that someone, once upon a time, already found an effective way to take off their pants by simply unbuttoning their buttons on the fly and pulling them down a little.
      Am I what?
      And to the fact that they don’t pray for Stalin, he is not a god to pray for him.
      It's just that he showed how effectively and quickly you need to "take off your pants", and not shit in them, which is what they are doing now.
      Experience, you know, is priceless, but forgotten.
  26. +5
    5 March 2013 10: 56
    Yet the GREAT MAN was I.V. Stalin!
    Interestingly, in the history of the Russian Federation will such a manager ever be at the helm?
    Probably not...
    1. +6
      5 March 2013 12: 54
      Quote: Goodmen
      Yet the GREAT MAN was I.V. Stalin!
      Interestingly, in the history of the Russian Federation will such a manager ever be at the helm?

      WILL BE.....
      History tends to give out such fortels
      Yes, and 17 years in every century is ......
  27. +17
    5 March 2013 10: 56
    Quote: Aleksey44
    Would you like to live at the time of this great man? I think not very much!

    My grandmother received a totalitarian free higher education and from a peasant girl from a village destroyed by the war turned into a teacher of mathematics and a school principal. How inhumane !! Her mother (father died near Sevastopol), an illiterate peasant, alone pulled the economy and did not pay a dime for it. Prison of the Nations! Whether it’s the case now, when you can democratically take a loan for 10 years to get an education that lags behind real life for the same 10 years.

    Of course, the leaders of states in which people were not robbed at every opportunity, did not love then, do not love now. And those who are weaker - they bomb and kill at all. Progress!
    1. Aleksey44
      -6
      5 March 2013 13: 44
      I am very happy for your grandmother, who received a higher education and became the principal of the school. Before the war my grandmother graduated from four classes (also without a father) (she went to school 7 km, a day later, since she and her sister had only felt boots for two) and from 12 years old worked on a collective farm, in the summer in the field, in the winter in the forest. For workdays, they did not pay money at all. In addition, they paid taxes in kind and in cash. Don’t eat it yourself, pay off with the state!
      It became a little easier under Khrushchev, canceled workdays, issued passports.
      1. +3
        5 March 2013 14: 17
        Quote: Aleksey44
        I am very happy for your grandmother, who received a higher education and became the principal of the school. My grandmother before the war still (also without a father) graduated from four classes


        what?


        Quote: Aleksey44
        It became a little easier under Khrushchev, canceled workdays, issued passports.


        and under Stalin, peasants from their villages and villages could not go anywhere?
        1. Aleksey44
          -5
          5 March 2013 14: 30
          What? The fact that there was nothing to eat, I did not think about studying, but how not to stretch my legs! That's what!
          1. +2
            5 March 2013 15: 24
            Quote: Aleksey44
            What? The fact that there was nothing to eat, I did not think about studying, but how not to stretch my legs! That's what!


            this is your personal tragedy (and your grandmother's), but what does it change nationwide?
            1. Aleksey44
              -2
              5 March 2013 18: 16
              And how many millions of such grandparents were there in the country? They, and were part of that country! Beggars, powerless, worse than serfs. Their life is a mirror image of life in the USSR at that time. Rejoice that you can openly discuss the life in the country, openly express your point of view, express dissatisfaction, etc. I’m more than sure, in those days, they would have long ago been crowing or lying in a grave somewhere in the Salekhard region!
              1. lucidlook
                +4
                5 March 2013 18: 26
                Quote: Aleksey44
                Rejoice that you can openly discuss the life in the country, openly express your point of view, express dissatisfaction, etc.

                Yes, they said openly that they were already in prison. However, it all depends on who exactly is dissatisfied. If you openly express dissatisfaction, for example, with some Kudrin, you will not be imprisoned, or even encouraged.

                "All animals are equal, but some are more equal." (c) J. Orwell
              2. +2
                5 March 2013 19: 11
                Quote: Aleksey44
                And how many millions of such grandparents were there in the country? They, and were part of that country! Beggars, powerless, worse than serfs.


                this is in your reality, but in ours:
                my grandfather, the order bearer, after the war, received higher education, returned to the village and worked as a rural teacher before retirement, a convinced Stalinist, thanks in large part to the anti-Stalin slops that had begun under Khrushchev and have still not affected my brain.


                Quote: Aleksey44
                I’m more than sure, in those days, they would have long ago been crowing or lying in a grave somewhere in the Salekhard region!


                I lived in Kolyma, I saw exiled settlers personally - you don’t tell us horror stories here.
              3. +2
                5 March 2013 20: 40
                Quote: Aleksey44
                Rejoice that you can openly discuss the life in the country, openly express your point of view, express dissatisfaction, etc.

                To discuss and express openly is one thing. But to agitate and impose an ideology is another. And it depends on what ideology you are imposing, for what you are campaigning and what you are advertising. And then it is possible to campaign in Salekhard, or in Labytnangi, and even further away ...
      2. Aleksey44
        -4
        5 March 2013 14: 23
        Glad for your grandmother, who graduated and became the principal of the school. Alas, my grandmother graduated from only four classes (in winter I went to school every other day, because she and her sister had one pair of boots for two), and after that, she worked all her life on the collective farm. So, the collective farm of the thirties and forties is a damn notion. Not a single civilized country has mocked people like that. Not only did they live half-starving, they also paid money and in-kind tax to the state! They didn’t pay money for the work, the team leader put sticks, that is, workdays.
        1. +5
          5 March 2013 16: 23
          Quote: Aleksey44
          Alas, my grandmother graduated from only four classes (in winter I went to school every other day, because she and her sister had one pair of boots for two), and after that, she worked all her life on the collective farm. So, the collective farm of the thirties and forties is a damn notion.


          What is your education?


          Quote: Aleksey44
          Not a single civilized country has mocked people like that.


          give examples of civilized countries ...
      3. +5
        5 March 2013 19: 39
        Quote: Aleksey44
        Very happy for your grandmother,

        And my grandmother, born in 1898, didn’t say anything bad about that era. She had 5 of her children and 9 foster children during the war, it was hard sometimes, yes, it’s military time, but they knew it would be better, there was confidence in the future. without a husband. He died before the war, two mother brothers died, one in 1941, the second in 1943.
        1. +6
          5 March 2013 20: 38
          Quote: baltika-18
          .I had 5 of my children and during the war 9 foster,

          I bow to her! The bright memory of the REAL WOMAN!
  28. +13
    5 March 2013 10: 57
    .... Gloomy overlooking the Leninist inheritance inherited to him, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin had every reason to be unhappy. First, like no one else, he felt robbed. In fact, he was a member of the Central Committee, a member of the very first Leninist government, who could do the dirtiest job, dangling along the fronts of the Civil War, risking being shot dead, picked up with bayonets, torn to shreds, was deceived.

    It turns out that while he was drowning knee-deep in blood, typhoid shit and sorting out along the impenetrable mud of New Byzantine intrigues, he sent trains from all over the country with gold and bread (which was sometimes more expensive than gold), all this was stolen, thrown over abroad, was transferred to personal accounts, to the accounts of active joint-stock companies and acquired banks. This is not to say that he knew nothing about it at all. I knew, of course. But he didn’t guess the true scope, nor did he realize that his share (his legal share!) Would be so ridiculously small. Driven from the “Kremlin cuisine” and from the Comintern to the post of people's commissar of nationalities and the chairman of the fake Rabkrin, Stalin did not immediately begin to understand what was happening in Russia conquered by the Bolsheviks. However, it only seemed to him that he understood something, because every day, presenting him with new surprises, he convinced that it was very difficult to understand something, if not to say, it was simply impossible.

    The civil war ended, and millions of eyes looked at Lenin with a dumb question: when will we share the "loot", as agreed, equally? Lenin, effectively turning out empty pockets, made it clear that there was nothing to share - the damned bourgeois escaped and took everything with them to the last penny. ... Since 1922, Stalin has been trying to investigate the ways of leaving huge amounts of money that once constituted Russia's national treasure from Russia to the west. But the apparatus of the former Cheka is not yet in his hands. The investigation is conducted secretly and overly carefully, without actually bringing any results. The found ends of gold threads quickly break off in the fantastic labyrinths of international banks. If it is possible to find a channel that once sucked in Russian gold, then the channel that threw this gold into the world market is already impossible to find. And there are no people who could understand all the movements of many thousands of bank tentacles, embracing the whole world with their arms. While in Moscow the world proletarian was drummed, the world financial revolution quietly and imperceptibly took place, preparing the world hegemony of that country or group of countries that more wisely use the political and economic opportunities provided by this revolution.
    ... Zinoviev, Kamenev, Bukharin, Menzhinsky, Ganetsky, Unshlikht, Boky - you can’t count everyone, but Stalin did not forget anyone. Even Lenin. He personally explained to Nadezhda Konstantinovna what awaits her if she does not take the money of the leader of the world proletariat from a Swiss bank. The next day everyone will forget that she was Lenin’s wife and is his widow, and will be considered the widow of the Countrywoman - the same Countrywoman who exported gold from Sevastopol with White Kun.

    Nadezhda Konstantinovna broke, she passed everything. But Zemlyachka well done. She did everything voluntarily, and reminded of Bela Kun. Oh, how he didn’t want to give money away! They beat him for three days, but they knocked everyone out to the last penny, and then shot. With all the "internationalists", who are in the illusion of complete impunity, they quickly dealt with without ceremony. They also got those who thought of serving time abroad, spending money for themselves destined for the world revolution. Only a few Americans managed to escape, but no one heard of them later.

    http://lib.rus.ec/b/122397/read
    1. +1
      5 March 2013 15: 19
      The tears of the 20s - 30s and our time since the 90s are "strange" similar (Special thanks to Misha and Bora). I especially want to "get to know better" with a group of comrades from medicine, education and housing and communal services. However, I understand perfectly well that when they chop, chips fly in a huge amount. And our mentality is always trying to overfulfill its obligations. The result was then my great-grandfather - a simple railway lineman who got "under the knife" because of an accident on a completely different site. Kaganovich "cleaned" all the way. My grandfather, an MGB officer, always went to bed with a pistol under his pillow in order to have time to shoot himself, because no one knew why and for what. Personally, I do not want such sacrifices, but to shake ALL of the present - you need strength and political will. The latest progress is pleasant, but how far they will progress is not yet clear.
  29. +8
    5 March 2013 11: 07
    Any article concerning the name "Stalin" arouses lively active interest. It probably collects more comments than any other topic. This is not only pleasant, but somehow reassuring.
    1. Skunk
      0
      5 March 2013 13: 14
      Yes, you are in vain reassuring yourself. Here are the statistics: http://www.levada.ru/04-03-2013/rossiyane-o-roli-stalina-v-istorii-initsiative-v
      ozvrashcheniya-volgogradu-nazvaniya-stali
      Here she is really encouraging, especially in dynamics, from year to year ...
  30. in reserve
    -27
    5 March 2013 11: 11
    Again, the fans of Stalin laid out the article, you would have been sent all in his time, maybe then you would have reconsidered your opinion. I didn’t even read; negative
    1. +19
      5 March 2013 11: 15
      in reserve
      And why are you not reading the article give an assessment? Since we have not read the article, it means your comment here is superfluous. go to the Novodvorskaya blog, maybe it's more interesting there.
    2. +8
      5 March 2013 11: 20
      ... Again, fans of Stalin posted an article ...

      Liberoids! Stalin is taller than you. Do not try to poop to what top, your poop will fall on you.
    3. zambo
      +10
      5 March 2013 11: 27
      QUOTE "In stock"
      Again, the fans of Stalin laid out the article, you would have been sent all in his time, maybe then you would have reconsidered your opinion. I didn’t even read;

      And you, apparently, a fan of Bronstein-Trotsky?
      Without reading an article, minus it - you don’t take too much on yourself !?
      But in principle, one more liberal, one less ...
    4. Son
      Son
      +7
      5 March 2013 11: 53
      Well, let us be fans ... We have I.V. Stalin. And who do you have ..?
      1. Svobodny
        -3
        5 March 2013 12: 42
        Quote: Son
        And who do you have ..?

        Christ is with us, Son)))
        1. Son
          Son
          0
          5 March 2013 16: 26
          Thank. Now I will know the fans of Christ.
      2. in reserve
        -10
        5 March 2013 13: 00

        Son
        Well, let us be fans ... We have I.V. Stalin. And who do you have ..?

        The Ten Commandments (Deut. 5: 6-21)
        Do not make yourself an idol and no image of what is in the sky above and what is on the earth below, and what is in the waters below the earth. Do not worship and serve them; for I am the Lord your God, a jealous God of God, who for the guilt of the fathers punishes children to the third and fourth kind, who hate me, and do mercy up to a thousand [generations] to those who love me and keep my commandments.

        Renat
        And why are you not reading the article give an assessment?

        Yes, because you already got your Stalin, do you pray for him?
        Adore him, but the fact that he from the Gulag country did this no matter how anyone notices on this site, and I did not see articles about the repressed legally here.

        zambo
        And you, apparently, a fan of Bronstein-Trotsky?
        Without reading an article, minus it - you don’t take too much on yourself !?
        But in principle, one more liberal, one less ...

        Unfortunately, I'm not a fan of Bronstein-Trotsky.
        I got your manic proof that Stalin is the best and we would have him now. fellow
        And our country, thank God, is free, and I do not need to call the OGPU in order to ask permission to write a comment without reading an article. bully

        Boris55
        Liberoids! Stalin is taller than you. Do not try to poop to what top, your poop will fall on you.


        Yes above, above, he's your fan. good
        1. Alexander 1958
          +6
          5 March 2013 13: 15
          Good afternoon!
          Quote: in stock
          Adore him, but the fact that he from the Gulag country did this no matter how anyone notices on this site, and I did not see articles about the repressed legally here.

          It is already good that you admit that Stalin "made" the country, although to be precise, the country was made by all Soviet people, including those who were in the Gulag under Stalin's leadership.
          And regarding the 10 commandments, re-read the Moral Code of the builder of communism, the differences are minimal .. Yes, but what about the observance of the 10 commandments by those who should be an example for all of us, I mean the clergy?
          Alexander 1958
          1. in reserve
            -9
            5 March 2013 13: 40

            Alexander 1958
            It is already good that you admit that Stalin "made" the country


            Stalin made from the country one big prison, this I really admit.
            who were in the gulag, under the leadership of Stalin

            You put it so interestingly as if it were a construction company, and Stalin had a director in it
            1. Alexander 1958
              +6
              5 March 2013 13: 50
              For In Stock
              I meant that the country was built by all Soviet people and for themselves, under the leadership of Stalin, and the Gulag prisoners also participated in this construction ..
              Alexander 1958
            2. +2
              5 March 2013 14: 20
              Quote: in stock
              Stalin made one big prison out of the country, which I really admit.


              Oh really ? can confirm your nonsense with numbers?
              1. in reserve
                -6
                5 March 2013 15: 03
                Alexander 1958
                I meant that the country was built by all Soviet people and for themselves, under the leadership of Stalin


                And the Egyptian pyramids, by all the Egyptian people under the leadership of Pharaoh.

                Karlsonn
                Oh really ? can confirm your nonsense with numbers?


                Yes, I won’t confirm anything to you with numbers, you yourself know this just don’t want to believe it. Meditate on Joseph Vissarionovich.
                1. Alexander 1958
                  +3
                  5 March 2013 16: 28
                  For in stock
                  Unlike the pharaoh, Stalin built for people, not for himself.
                  You somehow fade in arguments ..
                  Alexander 1958
                  1. in reserve
                    -5
                    5 March 2013 16: 50

                    Alexander 1958
                    Unlike the pharaoh, Stalin built for people, not for himself.
                    You somehow fade in arguments ..


                    So I wanted to find out from you what exactly was built for the people by Josiv Vissarionovich. Gulag Archipelago? or all the same, something worthwhile.
                    1. Alexander 1958
                      +3
                      5 March 2013 19: 56
                      For in stock
                      Joseph Vissarionovich was able to organize people so that they could survive in the war and build one of two (USA and USSR) self-sufficient technological zones
                      Quote: in stock
                      or all the same, something worthwhile.

                      Until 1991, it was possible to see all this and not only standing. but also working. And those sacrifices that fell on the rule of Stalin were not in vain!
                      I do not urge you to take for granted what I write, but you yourself must decide what is best for you - spend several weeks or months on the Internet analyzing conflicting data from sites of different directions and making conclusions or just eat that chewing gum shoved from the TV screen.
                      Alexander 1958
                2. +1
                  5 March 2013 16: 32
                  Quote: in stock
                  Yes, I won’t confirm anything with numbers,


                  why then are you here? by troll?


                  Quote: in stock
                  you yourself know this just do not want to believe.


                  why should i believe? I know.


                  Quote: in stock
                  Meditate on Joseph Vissarionovich.


                  a type of veiled insult? nude nude. bully
                  by the way - "you" and "you" are written with a capital letter.
                  1. in reserve
                    -3
                    5 March 2013 17: 21
                    Karlsonn
                    why then are you here? by troll?


                    Yes, I do not care what you think, I just expressed my opinion. And here you started a polemic, unless you were called me a liquid-masson. Do not think that your opinion is the only correct one.

                    by the way - "you" and "you" are written with a capital letter

                    I didn’t know that you were a teacher of the Russian language, please forgive and understand.
                    1. 0
                      5 March 2013 19: 18
                      Quote: in stock
                      I just expressed my opinion.


                      again:
                      - Why go into a topic that you have a very negative opinion of?


                      Quote: in stock
                      then there was a polemic, unless they called me a liquid-masson


                      Do they exist in nature?


                      Quote: in stock
                      Do not think that your opinion is the only correct one.


                      it’s strange to see a person proving that the Earth is flat, that's all, although there isn’t --- it’s amazing confidence in their own right laughing You do not sail on liners, fall off the edge of the Earth.


                      Quote: in stock
                      I didn’t know that you were a teacher of the Russian language, please forgive and understand.


                      to correctly write this is not required, but mutual politeness is welcome here.
                      1. in reserve
                        -4
                        5 March 2013 20: 08
                        Karlsonn
                        again:
                        - Why go into a topic that you have a very negative opinion of?


                        You are a strange person, and why I can not express my opinion.

                        it’s strange to see a person proving that the Earth is flat, that's all, although not --- it’s amazing that you’re laughing right You don’t sail on liners, you will fall off the edge of the Earth.


                        I can say the same thing about you, I do not have to agree with your opinion because I have my own. But whether it is true, this is a question. In my opinion, Stalin was a tyrant and created many camps in the country, where, in addition to criminals, political prisoners were held.
                        And his whole system was built on fear and the cult of personality before him.

                        And what do you think did Stalin for the country.
                      2. +2
                        6 March 2013 02: 02
                        Quote: in stock
                        In my opinion, Stalin was a tyrant and created many camps in the country, where, in addition to criminals, political prisoners were held.
                        And his whole system was built on fear and the cult of personality before him.


                        my grandfather, a career soldier - a paratrooper, the son of a dispossessed father - two times got out of the "boilers", about the first he told me that he went out with Mauser, he did not throw his rifle and documents, about the second he said that the front line went hand-to-hand and survived three out of ten.
                        tell me about a country that lived in fear of a personality cult - I look forward to it ...

                        - as I understand it, my grandfather raised melee guns to the NKVD in hand-to-hand combat in the fall of the 1941, so that he would leave the encirclement and get into the filtration camp? and then, when he served in artillery reconnaissance before the capture of Koenigsberg, a platoon of nkvdeshnikov crawled behind him from the German rear, in order to control it.


                        Quote: in stock
                        And what do you think did Stalin for the country.


                        I'm afraid to explain to you late crying
                      3. Kir
                        +4
                        6 March 2013 02: 16
                        It’s interesting in general that this one in the Stock, before sticking the Tirana label, even knows what this means, or here by the principle that everything that Leiba doesn’t or willn’t do is sacred, but all the other tyranny and violence against the personality, but I remember exactly how much like Bronstein and liberal bastards, most often came by coups and illegal seizure of power, because tyranny in its original Greek meaning indicates precisely the misappropriation of power !!!
                      4. +2
                        6 March 2013 02: 48
                        Quote: Kir

                        It’s interesting in general, but this one in the Stock, before sticking the label Tyrant, even knows what this means,


                        there is deaf - like in a tank!
                        I’ll hang the video, something like this, walking koment will soon be killed.

            3. +4
              5 March 2013 15: 51
              Quote: in stock
              Stalin made one big prison out of the country, which I really admit.


              Well, it’s you who go to extremes. (Sorry to intervene). He protected the people from the ideology of consumerism, which is hisism and destruction. Well, prisons for Trotskyists and criminals are normal. Occupational therapy is only beneficial.
            4. +1
              8 March 2013 01: 48
              A prison with the status of a world power ...))) What are you boasting about now, respected in reserve? A mess? Read and like articles about how our country has been restored, destroyed, for more than two decades, no one called you here ...
        2. zambo
          +2
          5 March 2013 13: 37
          "in stock", but you are (with a small letter) just another provocateur troll with liberal brains.

          I advise visitors to the site who respect themselves and their time not to pay attention to such "comrades".
          1. Alexander 1958
            +3
            5 March 2013 13: 59
            For Zambo
            Of course, you can ignore "In stock", but the problem will not disappear from this. And the problem is that we all, to a greater or lesser extent, have been brainwashed since Khrushchev. Of course, it’s easier not to notice, but this is the only way to help others and ourselves to understand where the truth is and where the lie. And under the name of Stalin, crimes were committed then and now this is also possible. Therefore, we need to discuss and argue among ourselves, so that under the guise of another perestroika and a return to Stalin, we do not return only repression, and postponed development for later
            . Alexander 1958
          2. in reserve
            -7
            5 March 2013 14: 01

            zambo
            "in stock", but you are (with a small letter) just another provocateur troll with liberal brains.

            I advise visitors to the site who respect themselves and their time not to pay attention to such "comrades".

            zamboy you have already hysteria bully
            No, I'm just very humble feel , a mistake on your part, I'm not a troll. I expressed my opinion, and you, like kites, came up with minuses and told me to call me a liberal, just because I have a different opinion.
            You invent myths here, as if Stalin was not a dictator, but all these are machinations of enemies. If not for one, but thousands of innocently ruined lives. hi
          3. Kaa
            +5
            5 March 2013 19: 27
            Quote: zamboy

            "in stock", but you are (with a small letter) just another provocateur troll with liberal brains.
        3. +3
          5 March 2013 14: 17
          Quote: in stock
          Do not make yourself an idol or any image of what is in the sky above and what is on the earth below,

          You can turn to the church with such a claim. There are idols (saints, martyrs, martyrs), images, all kinds of bones, skulls, like dirt. We see them before China as cancer in this matter.
          1. Yashka Gorobets
            +2
            5 March 2013 16: 07
            Here you are very wrong, if not in the subject, then it is better to remain silent, especially if this applies to religion.
        4. Cheloveck
          +9
          5 March 2013 17: 47
          Quote: in stock
          Adore him, but the fact that he from the Gulag country did this no matter how anyone notices on this site, and I did not see articles about the repressed legally here.
          You do it well, I don’t know, but I condemn.
          The lie about stopping hundreds of millions of innocent and planted is firmly driven into your head.
          It’s a pity, he’s not like a stupid person, since he was “in stock”.
          It is interesting how you would react to the fact that Luzhkov, Berezovsky, Abramovich, Serdyukov and others like them for ten years have brought real benefit to the country for their fraud.
          If now to collect all such cadres, then two gulags will have enough thieves, embezzlers, bribe takers and direct agents of Western influence, supported by foreign services.
          Or in your opinion, for them it is necessary to build a prison in Sochi with a beach, a restaurant and service staff?
          And what should have been done with the policemen, the OUN members, the "forest brothers" and other Vlasovites? To blow off dust particles from them?
          And Khrushchev released them, rehabilitating them along the way.
          Oh innocently repressed.
          Yes, they were, but, the most offensive for you, almost all of them were released under Stalin. Of course, someone was not lucky, but such is life. Innocently condemned were and always will be.
          On this occasion, I always recall G.Zhenzhenov, who had gone through the camps, when during a live broadcast during the perestroika anti-Stalinist hysteria, he honestly said that a couple of people were innocent in the place where he was. For this, he was excommunicated from roles in films and broadcast on TV.
          This is so, by the way.

          About manic.
          Stalin is not an icon to pray for him. The one who does nothing is not mistaken.
          Good or bad, but under his leadership, the USSR turned into a great power with a minimum of casualties.
          For 20 years of "shock construction of capitalism" only Russia has lost more than 12 million people without any war (compare with 700 thousand people shot and 2 million imprisoned, of which a maximum of 5% died). And it never built anything, turning from a great country into a raw material appendage.
          Feel the difference if you can.

          Threat About the pants through the head, I already wrote.
          1. in reserve
            -4
            5 March 2013 18: 45
            Cheloveck
            It is interesting how you would react to the fact that Luzhkov, Berezovsky, Abramovich, Serdyukov and others like them for ten years have brought real benefit to the country for their fraud.


            You compare outright thieves with political prisoners, people were jailed for a simple denunciation of a neighbor. Well, where is justice here, it’s the same as telling me because I don’t worship Stalin.

            Stalin is not an icon to pray for him. The one who does nothing is not mistaken.
            Good or bad, but under his leadership, the USSR turned into a great power with a minimum of casualties.


            But most pray. And it’s not his merit, but the whole Communist Party, and who knows, if it weren’t for Stalin, maybe Russia would have taken the path of the NEP. Take for example China, he almost repeated the path of the NEP.
            1. Cheloveck
              +2
              5 March 2013 19: 46
              Quote: in stock
              You compare outright thieves with political prisoners, people were jailed for a simple denunciation of a neighbor. Well, where is justice here, it’s the same as telling me because I don’t worship Stalin.
              Come on, you bring documented an example of the fact that "at least a hundred people spent the whole time on the denunciation of a neighbor."
              What am I doing?
              Very rarely there are people in whose family there were "repressed", moreover, when you start to understand, it suddenly turns out that the innocent lamb, "planted on a neighbor's denunciation," either stole a couple of bags of flour, or was accidentally in the ranks of the OUN. (both those and others the great maize rehabilitated).
              Regarding outright thieves.
              I will tell you a terrible secret: in 37-38, in most of them they were imprisoned - people in high positions simply "got drunk", they felt like gods (almost like the present). And this scum had to be burned out with a hot iron, however, as now (only now the gut is thin, I really want to piss when I'm scared, I hope you understand who I mean)
              Quote: in stock
              But most pray. And it’s not his merit, but the whole Communist Party, and who knows, if it weren’t for Stalin, maybe Russia would have taken the path of the NEP. Take for example China, he almost repeated the path of the NEP.
              Alas, what is good in theory does not always justify itself in practice. NEP in the conditions of Russia cannot lead to anything good. The Lenin NEP led to large-scale corruption (almost the same as it is now), squandering of the country's resources (Lev Davydovich concession), stratification of the population into very rich and very poor, almost even stopping existing production.
              It was a dead end.
              The Chinese, on the other hand, used the NEP in conjunction with a creative understanding of the experience of Stalin. They shoot at 10 presumptuous officials a year and have never been integrated on this occasion.
              Some time will pass when China will firmly stand on its feet, and this shop will be hidden. There is no other way out if stability is needed in the state.

              Something like that.
              1. in reserve
                -4
                5 March 2013 20: 22

                CheloveckCome on, you will give a documented example of the fact that "on the denunciation of a neighbor," well, at least a hundred people were in prison for the entire period.


                http://stalin.memo.ru/index.htm
                http://cdtnkfyf.ucoz.ru/index/repressirovannye/0-14
                Here, please read these links, you will find a lot of interesting things.
                Lenin NEP led to massive corruption

                Conclusions and conclusions

                The undoubted success of the NEP was the restoration of the ruined economy, and given that after the revolution Russia lost its highly qualified personnel (economists, managers, production workers), the success of the new government becomes a "victory over ruin." At the same time, the lack of those highly qualified personnel caused miscalculations and errors.

                Significant economic growth rates, however, were achieved only due to the return of pre-war capacities, because Russia reached the economic indicators of the pre-war years only by the 1926 / 1927 year [source not specified 1386 days]. The potential for further economic growth was extremely low. The private sector was not allowed to “command the heights in the economy”, foreign investment was not welcomed, and investors themselves were not particularly in a hurry to Russia because of the continuing instability and the threat of nationalization of capital. The state, on the other hand, was unable to make long-term capital-intensive investments from its own funds.

                The situation was also controversial in the village, where the "fists" were clearly oppressed.
                1. Cheloveck
                  +4
                  5 March 2013 22: 29
                  Quote: in stock
                  Here, please read these links, you will find a lot of interesting things.
                  I thought that you would bring some serious sources, and you refer to an organization funded from abroad ...
                  Not kosher ...
                  Moreover, the Memorial ranks as victims of political repressions and gays with lesbians.
                  Quote: in stock
                  Conclusions and conclusions
                  ... source not specified ...
                  Again OBS.
                  Can you bring something more serious?
                  And then a strange conclusion is obtained: under the NEP, the state was unable only to make long-term capital-intensive investments using its own funds, and as soon as the NEP was bribed, industrialization immediately began at its own expense.
                  Here, either remove the cross or put on pants.
                2. 0
                  6 March 2013 02: 03
                  Quote: in stock
                  The undoubted success of the NEP was the restoration of the ruined economy, and given that after the revolution Russia lost its highly qualified personnel (economists, managers, production workers), the success of the new government becomes a "victory over ruin." At the same time, the lack of those highly qualified personnel caused miscalculations and errors.

                  Significant economic growth rates, however, were achieved only due to the return of pre-war capacities, because Russia reached the economic indicators of the pre-war years only by the 1926 / 1927 year [source not specified 1386 days]. The potential for further economic growth was extremely low. The private sector was not allowed to “command the heights in the economy”, foreign investment was not welcomed, and investors themselves were not particularly in a hurry to Russia because of the continuing instability and the threat of nationalization of capital. The state, on the other hand, was unable to make long-term capital-intensive investments from its own funds.


                  laughing - Are you a masochist?
        5. +2
          5 March 2013 18: 54
          Can you tell me which country your idol ruled? What successes in the economy did he achieve, what political weight did the country have, what kind of people lived there? That's just about "the whole world" and billions of believers - no need. This is from a completely different opera. Our country is certainly free. So far too free to achieve any decisive success, but the matter is moving slowly. But just freely grind nonsense to a direct question does not mean to give an argument in a dispute. Freely call your answer empty, irresponsible, stupid chatter ...
        6. lucidlook
          +11
          5 March 2013 21: 22
          Quote: in stock
          Adore him, and the fact that he was from the Gulag country did this no matter how anyone notices on this site

          Reminded for some reason

    5. in reserve
      -11
      5 March 2013 13: 03
      About how many minuses have been instructed, my rating is growing. bully
      1. +2
        5 March 2013 14: 22
        Quote: in stock
        About how many minuses have been instructed, my rating is growing.


        Cho, so the virtual rating cares? laughing
        - Do not worry, according to Senka and a hat.
        1. in reserve
          -5
          5 March 2013 15: 06

          Karlsonn
          Cho, so the virtual rating cares?


          Yes, I am pleased that so much attention is paid to my person. hi
          1. +1
            5 March 2013 16: 34
            Quote: in stock
            Yes, I am pleased that so much attention is paid to my person.


            Well, you did achieve this, on Stalin’s account you already had an opinion, on the Stalinists’s account too, you didn’t read the article — you just went to troll.
    6. 0
      5 March 2013 13: 59
      This is not his time, this is the time of civil and world war ...
      and no one wants to live at that time, then our grandfathers and great-grandfathers lived, who won the war under the leadership of Stalin and made a huge breakthrough in science and education and medicine.
    7. +4
      5 March 2013 14: 18
      Quote: in stock
      I didn’t even read it, I put the minus article.


      enchanting !!! laughing
      - I don’t know anything myself, but - I have an opinion! wassat
      1. in reserve
        -8
        5 March 2013 14: 46
        And here is the jungle lads.

        baltika-18
        You can turn to the church with such a claim. There are idols (saints, martyrs, martyrs), images, all kinds of bones, skulls, like dirt. We see them before China as cancer in this matter.

        Yes, I don’t have any complaints whatsoever to you, it’s you who are so manic-minded, you’re defending your leader with your chest. fellow

        Karlsonn
        enchanting !!! laughing
        - I don’t know anything myself, but - I have an opinion!


        But he didn’t read it, because everyone already knows that he was a dictator, and they killed him for that because they were afraid and hated. Well, and who did not know he read. And minusanul because it’s already an allergy to your Stalin. wassat

        NEWS
        Every second Russian perceives the death of Stalin as the time of the end of repression
        04 March 2013 year


        Moscow. March 4th. INTERFAX.RU - Russians associate the death of Soviet leader Joseph Stalin more with the end of mass repressions than with the loss of a great leader and teacher (55% versus 18%), according to sociologists at the Levada Center.

        At the same time, as shown by the All-Russian survey conducted on the eve of the anniversary of the death of Stalin, almost half (49%) of Russians said that he played a positive role in the life of the country. A third of respondents (32%) did not agree with them.

        When asked about the renaming of Volgograd, 55% of respondents expressed the opinion that the city needs to retain its current name. 23% offer to return the name Stalingrad to him, and 6% - Tsaritsyn.

        A third of the respondents (31%) believe that on the issue of renaming "officials are driven by the desire to perpetuate the memory of the participants in the Battle of Stalingrad." Every fourth (25%) thinks that by doing this they are trying to divert attention from corruption scandals. Less often respondents noted that in this way the authorities are trying to return the name of Stalin "as a winner in the war and drown out the memory of repressions and crimes of the regime" (18%).

        March 5 marks the 60th anniversary of the death of Stalin.
        1. +3
          5 March 2013 15: 28
          Quote: in stock
          But he didn’t read it, because everyone already knows that he was a dictator, and they killed him for that because they were afraid and hated.


          believe liberoids propaganda is your own business.


          Quote: in stock
          And minusanul because it’s already an allergy to your Stalin.


          let me ask:
          - If you are allergic to Stalin, then why do you go into the release about him, and without reading climb into the comments? what do I suspect you have to itch terribly at the same time wassat
          1. in reserve
            -3
            5 March 2013 16: 44

            Karlsonn
            let me ask:
            - If you are allergic to Stalin, then why do you go into the release about him, and without reading climb into the comments? what do I suspect you have to itch terribly at the same time


            I repeat once again, we still have a free country and I do not need to ask permission from the OGPU whether I can comment here or not. Thank God that we do not have Stalin in power, otherwise they would have blamed me for my comments. Yes, and I’m not climbing into anyone, that’s all for me, you’re trying to impose your point of view.
            1. Misantrop
              +3
              5 March 2013 16: 51
              Quote: in stock
              I repeat once again, we still have a free country and I do not need to ask permission from the OGPU if I can comment here

              Moreover, in a free country, if you steal enough, you can even get away from responsibility without straining lol
            2. +2
              5 March 2013 19: 21
              Quote: in stock
              Thank God that we do not have Stalin in power, otherwise I would be blamed for my comments.


              what a lattice, what are you talking about - about three years old at the White Sea Canal no more.


              Quote: in stock
              Yes, and I’m not climbing into anyone, that’s all for me, you’re trying to impose your point of view.


              do not flatter yourself.
        2. +2
          5 March 2013 16: 37
          Quote: in stock
          "Levada Center".


          "worthy" center for sociologists laughing How did Stalin win first place during the "Name of Russia" campaign?
        3. +1
          5 March 2013 21: 36
          Strange, you are an adult, in reserve, as you say yourself, and now ...
          Quote: in stock
          But he didn’t read it, because everyone already knows that he was a dictator, and they killed him for that because they were afraid and hated.

          Well, everything is so generalized ... (using the word "All", you are not sure of your words. Otherwise, the words are people, people). In the process of answering, you seek reasons to justify your position, quote. This means that you are not here by accident!
          A person perceives the opponent as his mirror opposite, then a dispute is possible. If the opponent is higher or lower, there is no dispute. You argue! Call your opponents Stalinist zealots!
          You provoke, using the cliche of an ordinary person ("I myself have not read Pasternak, but like all Soviet people I condemn ...")
          The answer is simple: you are not a troll! You are ordinary anti-Stalinist fan! (anti-Soviet), but this opinion is not yours personally, but imposed (you are not sure psychologically). And the phrase "don't make yourself an idol" applies equally to you!
    8. AlexW
      +2
      5 March 2013 21: 05
      in reserve, "I have not read Pasternak, but I condemn" laughing
    9. 0
      8 March 2013 01: 37
      Have you been there in these times? ... An interesting statement))))))
  31. Aiviar
    +13
    5 March 2013 11: 23
    Under Stalin's leadership, the country developed rapidly, overcoming unthinkable difficulties and accomplishing fantastic feats. The cost of these accomplishments and achievements was incredibly high, including mutilated destinies, shed blood and taken lives. It was. Although not on the scale to which "monstrous crimes" are attributed to Stalin by many "researchers" "historians" and "accusers." Yes, it is true - Stalin did not consider it possible to argue, persuade and persuade endlessly. And he did not consider it possible to look for a long time for ways to "minimize" costs in the name of solving vital issues for the country, independently taking actions that he considered necessary. "The game was" on a grand scale "and in a very acute time limit. Many people found themselves in the position of "pawns" that the strategist sacrificed in his game. ... But I myself have met many victims of the steepness of Stalin's decisions. Among them were my relatives. NONE of these people, whom I met personally, never said a bad word about Stalin. All of them were patriots and "forgiven" him for the personal hardships experienced "through the fault of the dictator." They were forgiven because Stalin sacrificed their fate not to his own "selfish" interests, but paid for the rise of the Country, impossible with such a speed in any theories, but took place, the greatest Victory in human history, and finally a "bright future" in fact, it was becoming clearly visible and really achievable for the Country. Even Solzhenitsyn (deliberately with a small letter) did not dare to hide the fact that on the day of Stalin's death, even many of the GULAG prisoners cried. His death was felt by millions of people as a bitter personal loss for the reason that they knew and felt that they owed to Stalin not only personal hardships and hardships, but the very life of the Country, all of which she achieved and all that she would still achieve. ... Although they did not yet even fully realize how great this loss was. They did not know that after Stalin there would no longer be a single person in power, even to a small extent from Stalin's striving for the greatness of his own Country and the prosperity of its People. And just as little concerned with the interests of the welfare of the personal and "their people".
    The obvious growth of public interest in Stalin's personality and his role in the history of the country, together with the growth of his "rating", has an equally obvious explanation - the country compares the "efforts" (and their price for the country) and the "results" achieved by the current government with the actions and results Stalin. At the same time, it is understandable - the current government quite rightly looks very pale in such a comparison (they were not at all "in a different color"). The authorities feel both their own position and the mood of the people, and even begins to make some attempts. ... Time will tell what they are worth. This time has already shown how much Stalin actually cost, even though he "cost" the country dearly.
    1. Alexander 1958
      +1
      5 March 2013 13: 45
      Good afternoon! With pleasure I put "+"! I can't add or subtract anything ..
      Alexander 1958
  32. Yashka Gorobets
    +11
    5 March 2013 11: 39
    By the way, under Stalin there was a ban on abortion, which now would not hurt to introduce. I suspect many will object to me, but then what are your angry comments about migrants.
    1. Alexander 1958
      +1
      5 March 2013 14: 32
      Good afternoon!
      In my opinion, the topic of abortion should be discussed with women - it is from a decisive opinion! I think you are already a big boy and guess why ..
      Alexander 1958
      1. zambo
        +1
        5 March 2013 15: 31
        Yasha Gorobets said in the subject.
        Speaking of the prohibition of abortion, this is also one of the many vectors of building a Great Country in terms of its demographic component (by the way, the Orthodox Church has always been against abortion), and discussing this topic with women is pointless and useless (their brains work locally, but they need to be global. .. Since March 8, women! ... if there are any on the site).
        1. +2
          5 March 2013 16: 41
          Quote: zamboy
          and discussing this topic with women is pointless and useless (their brains work locally, but they need to be global ...


          Well, I don’t think that it is necessary to wave a saber so categorically, another thing is that it is necessary to create social and economic conditions in which women can have many children.


          Quote: zamboy
          Since 8 March, women!


          early winked


          Quote: zamboy
          ... if there are any on the site)


          You will be surprised wink there’s even a marshal - there is a young lady good
      2. Yashka Gorobets
        +2
        5 March 2013 16: 25
        It’s clear that without women this question cannot be resolved, and even their opinion on this issue is decisive. And in our time, it’s impossible to take and ban. But what’s wrong? There’s a real problem. Just hide behind the word abortion, than admit it, and first of all, that it’s a murder and, worst of all, the murder of YOUR children. Or you need to tell how much effort our friends from the CIA are doing through all sorts of RAPS and other similar structures to increase the number of abortions. And this is only the tip of the iceberg.
  33. +4
    5 March 2013 12: 11
    I.V. Stalin was a true leader!
    1. Aleksey44
      -7
      5 March 2013 14: 22
      Leaders are only savages!
      1. +3
        5 March 2013 15: 32
        Quote: Aleksey44
        Leaders are only savages!


        and what happens to civilized people?
        host of a reality show?

        Stalin was called the leader in those days, now such a person would be called the leader of the nation, what's wrong?
  34. +5
    5 March 2013 12: 56
    After Stalin's death, there were no yachts, palaces, helicopters, iPhones left - a tunic and worn-out boots; modern functionaries, who came to power "even with such small things" will not remain? Or go to power for the sake of the country, for the sake of an idea?
    1. ivachum
      +8
      5 March 2013 13: 04
      Also 100 rubles on a savings book ... U !!!!!! Thief! ... am

      "Kuga to swear to the honest Eugene? Huh ?!" feel
  35. +6
    5 March 2013 13: 03
    A difficult war between Stalin and the people was not only with fascism, which operated openly, but also with the fifth column, which stabbed in the back. It would not hurt now to condemn such traitorous figures - "dvorkovichimendeleichubais" by the people's court.
    1. +2
      5 March 2013 15: 55
      To do this, we need to return to ourselves our own copyrights. Read about it. But of course you have to adapt it a little to our realities.
      1. 0
        6 March 2013 08: 59
        Back to paganism? I'm closer to collegiality.
  36. sudnew.art
    0
    5 March 2013 13: 08
    The author did not answer the topic-who killed Stalin?
    1. zambo
      +1
      5 March 2013 13: 28
      You can’t tell this in one article.
      Read E. Prudnikov "Beria. The Last Knight of Stalin" - a very competent book-investigation, showing how easily history can be rewritten to please the "power-holding" political impotent or Y. Mukhin "The Murder of Stalin and Beria".After reading all the questions will disappear.
    2. +1
      5 March 2013 13: 47
      pardoned party nomenclature from his entourage.
  37. Cherkas
    -17
    5 March 2013 13: 08
    People who write such articles or add and add their comments in the Stalin-style hero should familiarize themselves with the Stockholm syndrome, go to a psychologist or devote themselves to art, not history or logic. Stalin is to blame for millions of deaths and repressions; he killed more Soviet citizens than Hitler's army. What successes do you attribute to him? - dictatorship? You want dictatorships, you obviously did not go on excursions to the gulags and places of repression by the NKVD. He started the Finnish war - and lost. He destroyed almost all the officers of the armed forces before the war. And the merit in the war won is the valor and courage of the Soviet soldier, the mistakes of the Reich and the harsh winter. If it were not for Stalin, Germany would never have attacked a country where there was no one to lead the army, would not have attacked without seeing the Red Army in action in Finland.
    1. zambo
      +5
      5 March 2013 13: 25
      Another amateur liberal with zasrannymi brains scrambled.

      Take at least one serious study of Stalin's life, read Y. Mukhin, E. Prudnikova, and others, and then you will vilify him "for the backs". Read, try to comprehend and turn on the logic: "People who accepted Russia with a plow and raised it to an atomic superpower, who won Victory in the Second World War, who led a huge country in this war, cannot be Monsters who are" credited "with all the meanness, murder and abominations of that Epochs.

      For the "expert" in psychology, the "Stockholm syndrome" is from another pro-Western fairy tale ...
    2. Ahmar
      +7
      5 March 2013 13: 32
      Cherkas,
      for patients with "brain liberalism": "Stalin is to blame for millions of deaths, repressions, he killed more Soviet citizens than Hitler's army." Before carrying nonsense, compare the numbers and read the archival documents - for the entire time that Comrade Stalin was in power (and even then not all this time he had full power) from 1918 to 1945 there were about 3 million people in the camps, of which about 620 thousand were shot, and this is taking into account the Civil War and the Patriotic War !!! where in your dreams "millions killed" ??? Moreover, such data were submitted to Khrushchev after the death of Stalin, who hated him with every fiber of his soul. And it is definitely impossible to suspect him of data falsification.
    3. Alexander 1958
      +9
      5 March 2013 13: 37
      Good afternoon!
      Quote: Cherkas
      And the merit in the war won is the valor and courage of the Soviet soldier, the mistakes of the Reich and the harsh winter. If it were not for Stalin, Germany would never have attacked a country where there was no one to lead the army, would not have attacked without seeing the Red Army in action in Finland.

      If I understood you correctly, then Stalin came up with an interesting war plan, first destroyed the command staff, then attacked Finland to convince the Germans of their weakness, convinced Germany. that she should attack the USSR, and when Germany attacked, organized a harsh winter only for the Germans, and even about courage .. In your opinion, the courage of Soviet soldiers and people is also not related to the system that was in the USSR to which was created under the leadership Stalin. Something of the same courage in such quantity and with such a result was not visible either in WWI or in Russian-Japanese. And in your opinion, one more confirmation of Stalin’s crime, that he himself didn’t make mistakes, but used the errors of the Reich ..
      Yes, insanity grows stronger! fool
      Alexander 1958
      1. +5
        5 March 2013 15: 16
        O. Buzina in the article "Monument to Stalin" gave the following example:
        "By the way, not all Khrushchev was supported in his revealing hypocrisy. Felix Chuev in his book “One Hundred Talks with Molotov” cites the following episode: “At a large meeting in the Kremlin, Khrushchev said:“ The Chief of the General Staff Sokolovsky is here, he will confirm that Stalin did not understand military matters. Am I right? ”“ No, Nikita Sergeyevich, no, ”said Marshal of the Soviet Union V. Sokolovsky. In the same book, Chuev has another testimony. When Khrushchev asked Rokossovsky to write some nasty things about Stalin, he replied: "Comrade Stalin is holy to me." Rokossovsky's words are all the more significant because he was one of those who during the repressions went to prison, from which he was released literally on the eve of the war, in which he had the opportunity to become, along with Zhukov, the most famous Soviet commander. Rokossovsky believed that it was easy to deal with any military issues with Stalin — the leader would delve into everything, had a sound judgment about everything. Professionals spoke to him in the language of professionals.
        http://www.segodnya.ua/blogs/olesbuzinablog/Istorii-Olesya-Buziny-Pamyatnik-Stal
        inu.html
    4. +2
      5 March 2013 13: 45
      Tell you how old you are reading, and how many times you watch a TV set, and I will tell you who you are.
      1. Aleksey44
        +1
        5 March 2013 14: 21
        There is no word "skoka" in Russian! Learn to write, smart guy!
        1. +1
          5 March 2013 16: 44
          Quote: Aleksey44
          There is no word "skoka" in Russian! Learn to write, smart guy!


          with the term - "exaggeration" Are you familiar?
        2. +2
          5 March 2013 22: 00
          Quote: Aleksey44
          "lope"! Learn to write, smart guy

          Literate! I put a plus!
      2. +1
        5 March 2013 21: 58
        Quote: Mareman Vasilich
        Tell you how old you are reading, and how many times you watch a TV set, and I will tell you who you are.

        Vasilich, but I don’t watch a telly (there’s something on the Internet). I read dofig books, and everyones, and Echo of Moscow sometimes I listen when it’s boring (well, to make a clean laugh!)
        Tell me who I am ???? what
        1. +2
          6 March 2013 02: 05
          Quote: AlNikolaich
          Vasilich, but I don’t watch a telly (there’s something on the Internet). I read dofig books, and everyones, and Echo of Moscow sometimes I listen when it’s boring (well, to make a clean laugh!)
          Tell me who I am ????


          serious comrade, with a broad outlook.
    5. +5
      5 March 2013 14: 31
      Quote: Cherkas
      People who write such articles or add and add their comments in the style of Stalin hero should familiarize themselves with the Stockholm syndrome, should go to a psychologist


      and what to do with people obsessing their country and lying?

      Quote: Cherkas
      Stalin is to blame for millions of deaths and repressions; he killed more Soviet citizens than Hitler's army.


      Are you sure about this?


      Quote: Cherkas
      You want dictatorships, you obviously did not go on excursions to the gulags and places of repression by the NKVD.


      did you go?


      Quote: Cherkas
      And the merit in the war won is the valor and courage of the Soviet soldier, the mistakes of the Reich and the harsh winter.


      yeah, the soldiers themselves — contrary to Stalin, gathered in divisions, workers contrary to Stalin armed them, peasants fed against Stalin!
      true incompetent commanders interfered and if not for the Reich’s mistakes then --- uh, you personally would personally eat sausages with Bavarian beer.
      and oh-ho-hoh harsh-harsh winter, obviously only German soldiers were freezing, Russian barbarians, as you know, do not experience cold and hunger, only German equipment can fail in winter, barbaric Russian equipment in winter works --- where do you come from?


      Quote: Cherkas
      If it weren’t for Stalin, Germany would never have attacked the country


      Dear stop shaming! If you don’t know something, then ask and they will be happy to explain to you about the Versailles peace, and about the inevitability of the second big war and about the draft.
    6. Kadet_KRAK
      +3
      5 March 2013 14: 52
      Kazashonok, you made a mistake with the address. You do not need an ECHO MASKWA forum, you will find like-minded people there.
    7. wax
      +3
      5 March 2013 15: 59
      Stalin is to blame for millions of deaths, repressions, he killed more Soviet citizens than Hitler’s army

      The Second World War lasted 1418 days (four and a half years). At the same time, they shot not only with pistols in a vast territory - from the Baltic to the Black Sea and the Caucasus.
      In addition, in the fascist camps, Soviet people captured and stolen to Germany were destroyed. Could you explain how Stalin managed to surpass this giant meat grinder, despite the fact that, with the exception of the war years, the population of the USSR was growing?
    8. AlexW
      +2
      5 March 2013 21: 13
      Cherkas, Poland, France and others. Hitler also attacked because of Stalin? Iron logic laughing
    9. +2
      5 March 2013 21: 53
      Quote: Cherkas
      he killed more Soviet citizens than Hitler's army.

      Another person with an imposed opinion. No facts! Some convincing proof to slobbering spray! Listen to less echo of Moscow and watch TV! And then if you don’t think for yourself, relying on the media, you can become a zombie!
      1. +1
        6 March 2013 02: 08
        Quote: AlNikolaich
        Less Moscow echo listen


        ah yay wink
        1. +1
          6 March 2013 21: 59
          Quote: Karlsonn
          ah-y-wink

          "So the people are seriously listening! And they believe along the way!"
          And I listen, but I do not believe, and neighing comes out. Latynina is burning there ... laughing
  38. Igorn
    +6
    5 March 2013 13: 12
    The greatest personality in the history of not only our country, but also in the history of all Mankind. And it is a pity that He did not have enough time to implement all his plans (and sometimes I VERY want to dream up).
    1. +1
      6 March 2013 02: 08
      Quote: Igorn
      And what a pity that He did not have enough time to implement all his plans


      and why are we?

  39. -8
    5 March 2013 13: 33
    Comrades Stalinists, reveling in the greatness of Stalin and his "effective" methods of management, agree then that if SP Koroleva and Glushko V.P. If Stalin's investigators hadn't kicked in the head, they would not have created a "magnificent seven" and those engines on which domestic rockets still fly into space! Admit that the creator of the famous "Katyusha" Langemak G.E. was a German spy and enemy of the people. And not only them. That ALL of Stalin's entourage were completely scum and scum, that the Stalinist communist party brought to the top such beloved Gorbachev and Yeltsin (as well as subsequent gentlemen). How does it get along in your head?
    1. +5
      5 March 2013 13: 44
      You mixed tea, shit, sand and sugar in one pile.
      1. -14
        5 March 2013 13: 50
        You have correctly indicated the consistency of Comrade Stalin!
        1. +4
          5 March 2013 15: 42
          Quote: Nayhas
          You have correctly indicated the consistency of Comrade Stalin!


      2. zambo
        +4
        5 March 2013 14: 08
        Moreover, it’s gavno that prevails in the brains of Nayhas ...

        Do not touch these - they stink ...
    2. +2
      5 March 2013 14: 36
      Quote: Nayhas
      Comrade Stalinists,


      did not try to write competently?


      Quote: Nayhas
      the greatness of Stalin



      Quote: Nayhas
      if Koroleva S.P. and Glushko V.P. would not be kicked in the head by Stalin's investigators, then they would not have created the "magnificent seven"


      purely hypothetically:
      - Let me kick you in the head? Suddenly you invent a perpetual motion machine?
      To you a patent, glory, money bully
      I share a small and sincere satisfaction.
      - deal?
      1. -5
        5 March 2013 16: 44
        You comrades, Stalinists, set up any experiments you like, if seventy years was not enough. And if you have a desire, answer the question in essence. Korolev S.P. went through the torture NKVD (which you like to call with irony "bloody gebnya", though not in the face of its victims) and the Kolyma camps, if you are a Stalinist, then you must admit that it was necessary, without this there would be no Stalinist achievements. Do you agree?
        1. Misantrop
          +2
          5 March 2013 16: 48
          Quote: Nayhas
          Korolev S.P. went through the torture NKVD (which you like to call with irony "bloody gebnya", though not in the face of its victims) and the Kolyma camps, if you are a Stalinist, then you must admit that it was necessary, without this there would be no Stalinist achievements. Do you agree?

          And now Serdyukov, who robbed the country and actually defeated the army, is on trial ... a witness. Moreover, his transfer to the accused is not even visible. Is this option more suitable? Apparently, yes. Just because it’s easy to imagine yourself in the place of Serdyukov. In place of the Queen - much more difficult request
          1. -3
            5 March 2013 17: 22
            I did not feel any sympathy either for Serdyukov or for his hosts playing the comedy now. It is quite possible to fight such individuals in a normal legal state within the framework of the criminal code. It is not clear why, but among the Stalinists the solution to all problems is only mass terror. The whole world somehow does without it, but we also need such an extreme. Do you even realize that the authors of the horror that is happening in our country come from Stalinist times and are precisely the result of Stalinist rule? Gorbachev at 19! years was already a candidate member of the party, and joined the party in 1952, even under living Stalin. In order to become a candidate member of the party at the age of 19 (this was in 1950), one had to bend along the Komsomol line and be a faithful Stalinist! Shevarnadze E.A. from 1949-1951 student of the party school of the Central Committee of the Communist Party (b) of Georgia, then posts on the party line in Georgia. Georgia under Stalin was cleared of harmful elements along and across, Stalin personally appointed people there, i.e. there were the best Stalinists. The Stalinist forge forged such personnel and Gorbachev and Shevarnadze was a worthy product of this production! ALL of them have destroyed the USSR and are now plundering Russia a product of that era!
            1. Misantrop
              +2
              5 March 2013 18: 58
              Quote: Nayhas
              It is not clear why, but among the Stalinists the solution to all problems is only mass terror.

              Why are these fables again? The only difference between that era and the current one is the presence then of personal responsibility for OWN actions. And the absence of an "untouchable caste." Was there another period in the country's history when office and connections did not serve as a guarantee of impunity? And they allowed them to take ANY position without responsibility for the results of their activities. Small crooks are still well caught, only the harm from them is incommensurably less than from high-ranking ones. But as soon as the question is raised that the THIEF must SIT, the cry begins: "Stalinists! Terror!" IMHO this is the best proof of the only thing that these governing scum are afraid of. Everything else has already been captured ...
              Quote: Nayhas
              Stalin's forge forged such shots

              And what frames does the current forge forge? And what is the ratio of marriage then and now?
              1. -5
                5 March 2013 19: 32
                Personal responsibility for their own actions is now in normal countries. There will always be an official trying to use his administrative resource for his own gain, but society stands guard over its interests by identifying them and determining their place on the bunk. And for this, demonstrative executions are not needed. And at the expense of the untouchable caste ... Well then of course you said. The nomenclature under Stalin was untouchable, lived in a separate state from all with its shops, service staff, shops, summer cottages, etc. As an example, you can search the net like Malenkov in besieged Leningrad, where cannibalism was already flourishing, rolled up receptions for foreign delegations, what they ate and what they did later with food waste. Think you didn’t steal? Nobody punished Zhukov for his tricks in Germany, although he didn’t feel weak there. Well, put the sixes, that's how it ended. They stole under Stalin, as well as licentious and raped, everything got away with it. Recently, by the way, I met an article about Kalinin, how he was fascinated by youngsters while he was capable, and how those who dared to refuse an all-Union headman were found dead. Stalin forgave everything except treason.
                And about the current forge, as I already wrote to you, it comes from there, from the nomenclature.
                1. Kir
                  +3
                  5 March 2013 20: 24
                  Of course, I agree that there’s a lot of rubbish in the network, but you just have the gift to find it, but with regards to what happened, it’s kind of like they don’t yell, but it’s not a secret that while some were starving, others were eating, But again But, most often for some reason they either shout aside, well, it seems like it’s understandable, a trough with a freebie swam past the snout, or those whose relatives completely broke, and I'm not saying that they should be silent at all, but at least in a whisper, although about whom I am about those who have no conscience or honor in the family or when it was not !!!
                  So you are still more cautious in the network, and it’s not enough of anything, Regarding G.K. Zhukov, it’s kind of like they removed it, but just taking into account its fame and stuff, just remove it, taking into account how the world situation is expressed, it would be problematic.
                  Now with regards to personnel, well, it was in all countries and in all centuries, there are, and there are serious suspicions that a man will be weak for a long time !!! Take the same Gomoru that was in the beginning. and now what?
                  And now, with regards to my favorite topic, personal responsibility, there was something like a discussion on KP radio, so I got through to them and, in response to the fact that it was necessary to clean the ranks according to the principle bequeathed by the Great, Shan Yanov, I heard in reply, and who then will go to the officials? That is, the part, I don’t even know how, without frank swearing, well, in short, individuals of the human species, initially suggests climbing up, then I think it’s understandable, and those who are dissatisfied are suspected of longing to get to the trough !!!
    3. +4
      5 March 2013 16: 06
      Again I.V. Stalin saved these outstanding people. Have you heard the word "sharazhka". So if it were not for such "sharazh", they would have been sent to the front, where they would have perished. It was a way to save such people from the "pegmanate" revolutionaries. Where a scout is good, on the battlefield or at the headquarters of the enemy. Everyone should do something that will bring maximum benefit to his people and country. I think everyone should understand this.
      1. -4
        5 March 2013 16: 55
        "Caps" (not the first 20s, but 40s) were organized by Comrade. Beria L.P., was Stalin's task, how he would fulfill it and what resources Stalin did not care about, so Stalin had nothing to do with it. As proof, the fate of the talented designer S.A. Ginzburg. (T-26, T-28, T-35, T-50), which was eaten by saltsman I.M. for the Su-76 self-propelled gun. If he had been arrested as a pest, he would have got into one of the scuffles with a machine gun, and so he was sent directly to the front, where he disappeared. If Stalin had been the organizer of "sharazhek", then such an outstanding personality as S.A. Ginzburg. would not have got to the front (Stalin had an excellent memory, for which there is a lot of evidence), but would have continued to work, but for soldering. So Beria L.P. saved these people. since in his capacity, he had access to all cases of prisoners.
        1. Kir
          +3
          5 March 2013 17: 42
          Nayhas, the fact that you hate Stalin can be seen at least from the fact that J.V. Stalin write with a small letter, this time but there is a more significant point, although they do not talk about it, but there were people who sat and worked next to the outstanding S.P. Korolev, so at least of course it was not a resort, but there was something, I don’t want to say, But if you bother searching, you’ll probably find it. now with regards to the relationship between Korolev and Glushko, it's a matter of believing not believing, but yesterday it was The Moment of Truth that covered this relationship. further Ginzburg-Salzman, but it doesn't seem to you that these are typical internal showdowns so characteristic of them, and then anyone else is to blame for everything, but they are not guilty, and in general in the world history of science such things are not only not rare, but rather a rule !!! So that's it. And just do it that deliberately or illiteracy "Caps", or some kind of encrypted meaning? Explain interestingly, maybe you know something that others do not know.
          1. -2
            5 March 2013 18: 09
            I don’t hate him, I just don’t have that veneration and blinding of him with divine light, which is inherent in his admirers, so I try to compensate for the epithet present in opponents. The question was not about whether it was good in "sharashki" or not, this is what to compare with. Of course, Korolev S.P. it was better in her than in the camp barracks, this is indisputable. Comrade Dimyan in his post put the "sharashki" in credit to Stalin (for you), like he saved them from the camp / front. I argue that Stalin did not care about them, the "salvation" of the convicted designers are personally obliged to LP Beria. (of course, from purely pragmatic goals, for example, academician N.I.Vavilov did not care, for example, he did not deal with weapons). An example with S.A. Ginzburg. I argued that the "sharashka" creation of LP Beria, tk. in this case, the designer did not get into the NKVD, but went straight to the front and for this reason did not end up in the "sharashka".
            PS: litter for slam, there is no secret meaning in them.
            1. Kir
              +1
              5 March 2013 18: 34
              Sorry of course, but there are some issues here, do you think that there are some independent elements inside the system? like L.P. Beria from the progmatic ....., then why hang all the sabakas on I.V. Stalin, he de, etc., etc., then other and generally complete bacchanalia were engaged in repressions, with regards to scarab, this is generally a separate issue and not the fact that it was simply easier to control the secrecy of many projects. With regards to Vavilov NI, in general, whether it was just how you say to spit, or if someone was really harnessed for some reason, that’s how they say a separate topic.
              With regards to the same veneration, but for my part there is, But there is no blinding! Since there are no obscurely pure-angels, not absolutely obscure-demons. although some of the latter looked very much like L. Bronstein.
              1. -2
                5 March 2013 19: 53
                Stalin was certainly not a bad leader and knew how to delegate part of his powers. Beria L.P. of course, he was not an independent element, he simply knew how to organize work in such a way that Stalin's intervention was not required. An example is the same "sharashka". Again, it is Stalin who bears responsibility for everything, as an organizer who did not have "independent elements." It was he who showed how to achieve the intended goals without looking back at the price that would have to be paid, and often the price was human life. For example, you need to build a canal, if you organize it properly, create artels, hire workers, then you need a lot of funds, it is easier to use the labor of prisoners which can be motivated by rations, and not by rubles. We need, for example, funds for the military-industrial complex, and the fastest way to get them from the sale of grain (oil and gas was not pumped at that time), but buying grain from a private owner is expensive, it is easier to take away, and to drive private owners into collective farms and then milk them, again motivating them with rations as a workday ... The country needs gold, and there is a lot of it in Kolyma, it is expensive to attract miners again, it is easier to throw the ZK on this business, the motivation is the same. Do you need a ZK for construction projects, logging, mining? They sent the plan to the local correctional facilities, organized troikas there and the work began. I realize that Stalin was not a killer maniac, he just used one motivator to achieve his goals - rations. And his entourage was selected by the method of firing selection, since the requirements for them were the highest. They are all criminals. But his predecessors, yes, there are perverts and maniacs, murderers and drug addicts ... Well, the fact that Leiba deservedly received a hammer on the skull, I admit, Russia should bow to Mercader in the belt for this ...
            2. Misantrop
              +3
              5 March 2013 19: 25
              Quote: Nayhas
              Of course, from purely pragmatic goals, to academician Vavilov N.I. he didn’t give an example, he didn’t deal with weapons

              Vavilov, by the way, sat down for the false denunciation. Lysenko failed to argue and decided to use the hands of the NKVD. It didn't work out. Or "he could have been, he is a genius"?
              1. -3
                5 March 2013 22: 52
                The denunciation at that time was not a criminal matter, on the ethical side, if such an act really was, then it is worthy of condemnation, but not criminal prosecution.
                PS: if Vavilov wrote that Lysenko was a charlatan and a crook, then he was not mistaken at all.
                1. Misantrop
                  +3
                  5 March 2013 23: 37
                  Quote: Nayhas
                  if Vavilov wrote that Lysenko was a charlatan and a crook, then he was not mistaken at all.

                  Right? Here, from one of the forums:
                  It is believed that his landing is one of the consequences of the "malicious slander" in the conflict between Vavilov and Lysenko. Like, persecution of genetics, since Vavilov is a type of geneticist, and Lysenko is not a geneticist, but a "Michurinist" ...
                  Objectively, this, to put it mildly, an incorrect understanding of the issue. I was once very interested in genetics, namely, in terms of radiation as a mutagenic factor. Since then, I have plump Talmuds on this topic, and I studied the ideas of Vavilov and Lysenko.
                  So here. They were both geneticists. The conflict, a debate, purely scientific, was exclusively on the issue of the divergence of the two areas of genetics. Lysenko also did not reject the existence of the genome and heredity
                  Both Lysenko and Vavilov claimed the existence of the genome and the laws of heredity. In principle, they differed only in one thing - the question of the inheritance of acquired properties.
                  Vavilov believed that the acquired properties are not inherited and the genome remains unchanged throughout the history of its existence. In this, he relied on the work of Weismann and Morgan (hence the “Weismann-Morganists”).
                  Lysenko, on the contrary, argued that the genome can change, fixing the acquired properties. In this he relied on the neo-Darwinism of Lamarck.
                  The dispute between the "Weismannists" and the "Neo-Darwinists" was purely academic. And this was not a dispute between genetics and antigenetics, but a dispute between two areas in genetics.
                  So there was no "persecution of genetics"! Weismanists had troubles, yes, but not at all because they were geneticists, but for a different reason: first, the waste of public money, and then an attempt to run over their scientific opponents with the involvement of foreign colleagues. The conflict in VASKHNIL was provoked precisely by them, through denunciations ... Yes, it was Vavilov and company who were the first to "knock" on scientific opponents
                  But this is not the most interesting.
                  Modern scientific research has fully confirmed the correctness of Lysenko and the fallacy of Vavilov’s views. The genome is changing under the influence of environmental factors.

                  http://forum.sevastopol.info/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=577187
                  There it is all chewed in great detail and with tons of links
                  1. +1
                    6 March 2013 19: 36
                    Let anything be tramped on the forums, there is a world science that has long defined its attitude to both Vavilov and Lysenko. I have to dive deep into their debates, because Vavilov was cited as an example of Beria's pragmatism, which was indifferent to his fate (although Vavilov wrote to Beria from the conclusion), because he was worried about the issue of creating weapons.
                    If you think that the verdict to Vavilov N.I. capital punishment under Art. 58-1a, 58-7, 58-9, 58-11 the Criminal Code of the RSFSR was fair, then I admit that for you Stalin is what you need, because for you life human sound is empty, it is not yours.
          2. +1
            6 March 2013 00: 59
            Quote: Kir
            now with regards to the relationship of Korolev and Glushko,

            Unfortunately, I can't give a link now, but just recently I read that 1. there were certainly "hot disputes", and 2. that the Queen was actually imprisoned because in the research institute where he worked, he was entrusted with some kind of development, and money was allocated for it. And he used this money to conduct research that was closer to his interests. Those. did not fulfill what he was instructed to, and he wasted money.
            1. Kir
              +1
              6 March 2013 01: 34
              And it’s worth adding that Glushko and the clique were kicked out by Mishin, and it was him and not Glushko and Chertok S.P. Korolyov who appointed him as his successor, and then, like nobody else, closed Glushko’s program and sold the engines to the amers, and they didn’t invite Mishin’s events (the 1986-80th anniversary of the birth of Sergei Pavlovich!), since the workers didn’t help them get cattle, they just sat this non-sided in the general ranks, and not in the podium, and even after some time decided apply for a number of works, they they somehow miraculously disappeared, I wonder where ?, and in general all is well and the mutual relations were not just spilled water, but with regards to what S.P. Korolev was sent to hear something else, but it’s not connected with politics that he disappeared it’s an assembly unit, but he just stood somewhere and waited for someone to bother to find it, after which Korolev was well-released.
              1. -1
                6 March 2013 19: 54
                It is absolutely indifferent what the relationship was between them. I didn’t quite understand why this was “SP Korolyov was imprisoned, he heard something else, but it was not connected with politics, that some unit had disappeared, but he just stood somewhere and waited for someone to find it”. He was put on the execution list under Art. 58-7, 11, but the execution was replaced by 10 years in the Correctional Labor Camp, which is tantamount to a slow death. Do you really think that he really did something that is consistent with the punishment?
                1. Kir
                  +1
                  6 March 2013 20: 48
                  And you look above my post, and with regards to the fact that you are not interested in relationships, this is purely your own business, and this example once again confirms only how warm the relations are in the academic environment, and with regards to the camp it’s kind of said that I know but fundamentally I will not write !!!
    4. shpuntik
      +3
      6 March 2013 00: 51
      Do you happen to Lazar Moiseevich Kaganovich, not a relative of chance? Or a fellow believer? After all, Dzhugashvili-Stalin destroyed the gang of Ulyanov-Blanc and Bronstein-Trotsky. The Communist Party was heterogeneous, how not to notice it?
  40. Tambov we ...
    +2
    5 March 2013 13: 38
    However, Khrushchev’s “merit” was that he reduced the ceiling height of apartments from 3 meters to 2.25 (according to the American standard), reduced the area, reduced the number of storeys from 12-16 floors to 5, removed balconies, elevators

    American standard? In those years? Massive housing, and even American? This, all the same, that the striped most-most, well, like on the moon visited. 2,2m - Le Corbusier's influence, at that time he was friends with De Gaulle, the area from there, the number of storeys decreased - because there were no machines with a retractable staircase for such a number of storeys, and the balconies on the contrary did not clean, because they are alone of the main ones when removing fire victims in a fire.
  41. Ahmar
    +6
    5 March 2013 13: 40
    By the way, about the Finnish war. He won the war, in addition, almost a few days before the Finns were reinforced by England and France. The then British press wrote that a joint 150 expeditionary force was ready to support the Finns in the war against the USSR. But Stalin broke off their plans forcing Finland to make peace! In addition, in this war, as in the current ones, as in Afghanistan, English and French advisers were present in abundance among the Finnish army, arms were supplied, etc.
    1. AlexW
      0
      5 March 2013 21: 32
      Ahmar, In St. Petersburg on Nevsky: "This side of the street is dangerous during artillery fire" - have you ever wondered why one side is dangerous and the other not? Yes, because the Finns did not fire on the city from the north, and Hitler pressed hard on the ally, demanded active action. Did you get a good lesson at 39-40? And isn't that why they got out of the war so quickly?
  42. Gari
    +4
    5 March 2013 13: 43
    He took the country with a plow, left with the atomic bomb is Churchill about Stalin.
    After the war, there was no half of the country, and not only was the bomb created, all industry was restored, and a new one was created in Siberia, all cities and villages, the country began to live a normal life for such a short period.
    Yes, I remember my grandfather told me that under Stalin, after the war, there were private cooperatives, manufactures, there was small trade, that is, as we now say, there was medium and small business and no one pursued it.
    But the fight against corruption was quite real, Stalin himself wore his overcoat and boots, and slept on the couch.
    Was there a cult, I don’t know, but the Person was
    1. -7
      5 March 2013 14: 19
      Well, so you say directly: "Without Stalin, the Russian people would sit up to their ears in manure, picking their noses with dirty fingers, for so many lost people, they are not capable of anything ..." The Stalinists have so many no alternative ...
      1. Gari
        +2
        5 March 2013 18: 04
        And in what position was the country after two revolutions and civil war.
        And secondly, not only Russia and not only the Russian people, was the USSR and all nations were in the same position.
        And still, Stalin on May 24, 1945, in honor of the Victory in this great war, made a toast- For the Russian people
        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ЗА русский народ
        1. -5
          5 March 2013 18: 21
          History has thousands of ways, and the one that Russia has taken is not the best. In my opinion, it is foolish to believe that these same successes could not be achieved in any other way, could the Russian people really be so hopeless? There have been many examples in history when a country from ruin was restored without the camps and slave labor of prisoners, without suppressing the free thought and dictatorship of the ruling group.
        2. lucidlook
          +2
          5 March 2013 18: 33
          Quote: Gari
          For the Russian people

          So he said briefly? It doesn't look like a colorful and Georgian toast full of meaning. Maybe he even said something there? Well, like this one:

          I raise a toast to the health of the Russian people because they have earned in this war general recognition as the leading force of the Soviet Union among all nations our country.

          You can also recall his speech in 41, where along with the traditional "Comrades" there was the church "Brothers and Sisters".

          The trouble is not how and what someone says, the trouble is how they hear it and how they use it later ... and for what. Here you are, Gary, why did you use this torn quote? What did you want to achieve? Or what to prove?
          1. Gari
            -2
            5 March 2013 22: 44
            It seems that the link on Wikipedia I left below, just do not write completely, so you had to read it.
            And what does it mean what you wanted to achieve is you about me, I'm kind of not middle-class
      2. AlexW
        +4
        5 March 2013 21: 46
        NayhasWe kind of know what happened under Stalin, but what would have happened without him ... The GULAG is Leiba Bronstein's project, he also implemented it. Companions in the Cheka, the GULAG appointed. They also carried out mass repressions in the 20s. "Kronstadt revolt", "Antonov uprising", decossackization, famine, total ravage of the country, concessions, export of valuables to foreign (Jewish) banks, etc., etc. Now, if these ..... retained full power, if only Stalin methodically did not send them to places not so remote, and did not use ice axes. Would Russia be? I think that Hitler would have got it without a fight
        "wild field", and the survivors would really greet him with tears, as a liberator.
        1. -5
          5 March 2013 23: 09
          Mass repression is the style of government of the communists, in whatever country they were based, Stalin, as a true communist, pursued the same policy. The class hatred incited from the very first day of the communists' coming to power was supported by all subsequent rulers. Blaming everything on Trotsky, of course, is easy, but besides him there were such odious personalities as Dzerzhinsky, Sverdlov, and of course Lenin. Do you not think that Stalin condemned Trotsky for the Red Terror? Stalin simply replaced some of the executioners with others, whose work was easier, the "purification" machine worked from the bottom up, coming up to 1937. to the very top. If we take the principle of Stalin or Trotsky / Kirov / Bukharin / etc., then I do not think that there would be less blood, etozh the communists. Another thing is that the result of 1991. would be unambiguous.
          Speaking about the alternative, I had in mind Russia without communists, Russians without communists knew how to fight, build, build, discover, lead humanity into the future. The fragments of the Russian Empire scattered all over the world, even in this form, were so bright that they still cause pride among compatriots.
  43. Pedro
    -11
    5 March 2013 13: 47
    From the people, without a leader they can’t. Here, give them the leader and everything will be in chocolate. And this is in our time. Where are you from ???
    1. +3
      5 March 2013 14: 37
      Quote: Pedro
      Where are you from ???

      - from those gates that the whole people!
      but where are you from, the question is interesting.
      1. Pedro
        -1
        6 March 2013 11: 24
        Everything is interesting to you, but why ??? FSB, USBU, or worse?
  44. +2
    5 March 2013 13: 51
    To begin with, all the shit-blowers in the direction of Stalin should read his writings, books, maybe they look and find out what a struggle is, how and how the people breathe.
  45. Axel
    -7
    5 March 2013 13: 57
    Comrades! Today I was walking along the iron curtain and heard non-Russian speech from the opposite side. What could it be? Are we not alone in this world?
    Yesterday I found out that my neighbor stopped drinking vodka and reported to him. I borrowed vodka coupons from him, exchanged coupons for two boxes of vodka, came home and drank them. I recently drank five more bottles of vodka, but still I can’t fall asleep. I’ll go feed the bear, drink vodka with him and play the balalaika, then read Marx and try to sleep. Glory to the CPSU!
    1. Tambov we ...
      0
      5 March 2013 14: 20
      Of course, in a vein, you are a fine fellow ... We all drink vodka ... But, all the same ... Sometimes it is necessary to be more serious ...
    2. Axel
      -3
      5 March 2013 20: 28
      This winter I was resting on the Belomor Canal, the balance is normal, but there is little vodka. For rest, they give Kyle and shovels, in good condition, in principle. But next time I will ask for a ticket to Solovki.
      1. Tambov we ...
        0
        6 March 2013 02: 15
        To Siberia ...
  46. +4
    5 March 2013 14: 07
    In my opinion, history has put everything in its place. Today, no matter what, Stalin is one of the most popular people in Russia. And reputable. Who would not want something, but NONE of the subsequent leaders of the country even came close to Stalin, either in authority or in the extent useful to Russia.
    And another thing: being in a military school, they gave us information on the start of the construction of the Soviet state. So Lenin stood for a union state, and Stalin for a unitary state with the preservation of autonomy. Lenin insisted on his own, the USSR was formed. Then I did not attach any importance to this, but now I understand WHAT Ilyich planted in our country. And if Stalin had suppressed, who knows, maybe there would not have been such national problems today in such a volume.
  47. zambo
    +3
    5 March 2013 14: 11
    As we see, I. Stalin also guessed about future liberal librarians ...
    1. +6
      5 March 2013 15: 45
      Quote: zamboy
      As we see, I. Stalin also guessed about future liberal librarians ...


      he didn’t forget his contemporaries wink from this breed wassat

  48. Tambov we ...
    +2
    5 March 2013 14: 16
    No where in the world has there been such a grandiose program for mass housing construction as in the USSR. No country in the world has simultaneously built industrial, military and other facilities in a compartment with housing at the same time. And this is after complete chaos and devastation in the postwar years. And the satellite is OUR, and FULL EXCELLENCE IN SPACE?
    1. AlexW
      +1
      5 March 2013 21: 52
      We are from Tambov ..., In my youth I was amazed to learn that the Novosibirsk Theater was built during the war !!
      1. +2
        6 March 2013 00: 48
        Quote: AlexW
        The Novosibirsk Theater was built during the war !!

        So the artists of the Bolshoi Theater were evacuated there, part of them stayed there, young people were taught. And the Novosibirsk Theater has become one of the best in the country!
      2. Tambov we ...
        +2
        6 March 2013 02: 30
        I’ll say more - in our Soviet and Russian regulations and documents for construction it is very well written about evacuation measures in case of fires, for making design decisions, which cannot be said about European ones, in Sweden, for example, in tall (for them) buildings in Stockholm second evacupies are provided, which is unacceptable for us.
        1. +2
          6 March 2013 02: 52
          Quote: We are from Tambov ...
          I’ll say more - in our Soviet and Russian regulations and documents for construction, it is very well written about evacuation measures in case of fires, for making design decisions, which cannot be said about European


          commercials you respected and GO remember.
          1. Tambov we ...
            +2
            6 March 2013 03: 52
            Easy. Civil defense organizations and measures for their implementation, adopted in the USSR and prolonged in the Russian Federation, greatly contribute to the preservation of the population of our country.
        2. +1
          6 March 2013 10: 30
          Quote: We are from Tambov ...
          in our Soviet and Russian regulations and documents for construction it is very well written about evacuation measures in case of fires, for making design decisions,

          Yeah! But now we are building houses on 25 floors, and firefighters immediately warn that their stairs can only reach the 16 floor, and even that is not all. And in the event of a fire - citizens with legs and who can! am
  49. Aleksey44
    0
    5 March 2013 14: 18
    Glad for your grandmother, who graduated and became the principal of the school. Alas, my grandmother graduated from only four classes (in winter I went to school every other day, because she and her sister had one pair of boots for two), and after that, she worked all her life on the collective farm. So, the collective farm of the thirties and forties is a damn notion. Not a single civilized country has mocked people like that. Not only did they live half-starving, they also paid money and in-kind tax to the state! They didn’t pay money for the work, the team leader put sticks, that is, workdays.
  50. 0
    5 March 2013 14: 30
    in the end, the picture is such that one tries to look like the person whom they idolized. but then there was a people who was interested in improving their lives, who worked so that their children could live and eat. And now? Now everything is there, but nobody wants to change anything , just shout that everything is bad. but no action. and often blame others, but not themselves ...
  51. Aleksey44
    -4
    5 March 2013 14: 40
    Quote: skeptic
    чем больше людей прочтет, тем лучше

    Quote: skeptic
    чем больше людей прочтет, тем лучше

    И сделают правильный вывод, что второго Сталина у России быть не должно!
    1. +1
      5 March 2013 15: 46
      Quote: Aleksey44
      И сделают правильный вывод, что второго Сталина у России быть не должно!


      путать теплое с мягким это все, что Вы умеете?
  52. +14
    5 March 2013 14: 44
    Мне не хочется высказывать своё мнеие про И.В. Сталина ( оно мне и так известно, а другим его не зачем знать) Просто про человека можно сказать и составить мнение по его чувству юмора и каждый пусть судит сам о этом человеке. Вот пример высказывания и шутки И.В. Сталина в повседневной жизни:

    - В первый послевоенный год министр финансов А.Зверев, обеспокоенный высокими гонорарами ряда крупных писателей, подготовил соответствующую докладную записку и представил ее Сталину. Тот попросил пригласить к нему Зверева.
    Когда министр вошел, Сталин, не предлагая ему сесть, сказал: «Стало быть, получается, что у нас есть писатели-миллионеры? Ужасно звучит, товарищ Зверев? Миллионеры-писатели!».
    «Ужасно, товарищ Сталин, ужасно», – подтвердил министр.
    Сталин протянул финансисту папку с подготовленной им запиской: «Ужасно, товарищ Зверев, что у нас так мало писателей-миллионеров! Писатели – это память нации. А что они напишут, если будут жить впроголодь?»

    - Перед войной генерал Рокоссовский был арестован. Осенью сорокового его освободили и дали ему дивизию. Во время войны дивизия дралась так хорошо, что Сталин решил дать Рокоссовскому более крупное назначение.
    Рокоссовского отозвали с фронта.
    - Хорошо ли Вы знакомы с германской военной доктриной? - спросил его Сталин.
    - No, comrade Stalin.
    - And with the structure and armament of the German army?
    - No, Comrade Stalin, because I was sitting.
    - Found time to sit out.
    Рокоссовский стал одним из любимых генералов Сталина.

    - Один генерал-полковник докладывал Сталину о положении дел. Верховный главнокомандующий выглядел очень довольным и дважды одобрительно кивнул. Окончив доклад, военачальник замялся. Сталин спросил: «Вы хотите еще что-нибудь сказать?»
    “Yes, I have a personal question. In Germany, I selected some things that interest me, but they were detained at a checkpoint. If possible, I would ask that they be returned to me. ”
    "It's possible. Write a report, I will impose a resolution. ”
    Colonel-General pulled out a prepared report from his pocket. Stalin imposed a resolution. The petitioner began to thank warmly.
    “It is not worth gratitude,” said Stalin.
    After reading the resolution written on the report: “Return to the colonel his junk. I. Stalin, ”the general turned to the Supreme:“ There is a typo, comrade Stalin. I am not a colonel, but a colonel general. ”
    “No, everything is right here, Comrade Colonel,” answered Stalin.

    Сразу видно человека.Кому нужно сам сможет найти, потому, как не люблю никому и ничего доказывать по причине жизненной установки - "дурака учить , только портить, а умный и сам до всего докапается и лучше запомнит".
    1. Gari
      +3
      5 March 2013 18: 07
      Admiral I. Isakov since 1938 was deputy commissar of the Navy. One day in 1946, Stalin called him and said that there was an opinion that he would be appointed chief of the Main Naval Staff, which was renamed the Main Staff of the Navy that year.
      Исаков ответил: "Товарищ Сталин, должен вам доложить, что у меня серьезный недостаток: ампутирована одна нога".
      "Это единственный недостаток, о котором вы считаете необходимым доложить?" – последовал вопрос.
      "Да", – подтвердил адмирал.
      "У нас раньше был начальник штаба без головы. Ничего, работал. У вас только ноги нет – это не страшно", – заключил Сталин.
  53. Kadet_KRAK
    +3
    5 March 2013 14: 47
    Осмелюсь выразить мысль - Сталин должен быть в каждом из нас. Нельзя уповать на вождя который всех спасёт и приведёт к благополучию. Иосиф Виссарионович свою цель достиг - показал на каких принципах возможно устойчивое управление государством в интересах большинства, показал каким д.б. настоящий управленец имеющий всеобщую осведомлённость во всех областях жизни.
    Пора и нам, разобравшись с алгоритмами его государственной деятельности, самостоятельно вытаскивать страну из замкнутого круга политических катастроф.
    Второго Сталина никогда не будет, его время прошло. Но то семя, которое он заложил при жизни, должно обязательно взойти, пусть и через 60 лет.
    Жалко, что столько времени понадобилось потомкам чтобы продолжить его ДЕЛО.
  54. +5
    5 March 2013 15: 05
    60 лет нет Его. 60 лет страна живет без "тирана". 30 лет жила под Его грубой шинелькой.
    И вот мы- свободные, никак не скинем с плеч его шинель, вросла она в нас , и в тело , и в душу, что было в карманах- проели, по растеряли. Обветшала одежонка, скинуть бы, да под ней ничего нет. Шинелька не шибко теплая, и не модная, и латок на ней.....НО..Никто не шьет новую, все как то не получается, все что то мешает. Вот и помним ЕЁ, и прощаем ей ее неказистость и грубость.
    1. +6
      5 March 2013 16: 49
      Quote: Chen
      НО..Никто не шьет новую, все как то не получается, все что то мешает. Вот и помним ЕЁ, и прощаем ей ее неказистость и грубость.

      good

  55. 0
    5 March 2013 15: 14
    И.В. Сталин - прекрасны