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Source of the legitimacy of the "Square" power in Ukraine - Russophobia

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Source of the legitimacy of the "Square" power in Ukraine - RussophobiaAnother article of the permanent author of the resource nstarikov.ru Evgenia Chernyshev, as always raises the most acute problems. Where do the roots grow so carefully cultivated in Ukraine Russophobia?

The state of Ukraine has existed for more than 20 years, during which the fourth figure is performing the duties of president. Enough time has passed before the state, called independent, could become such in fact. In this article I will try to draw the reader’s attention to the ideological line around which the “Ukrainian statehood” has been built all these years. I take this expression in quotation marks, implying a figure of speech firmly rooted through millions of repetitions into the consciousness of the population of Ukraine.

Despite the simplicity of the ideological rationale of "Square", it is extremely important to understand what this rationale is based on in order to reveal the source from which official Kiev derives its legitimacy all these years. It can be compared with a well, which is strictly guarded, so that no one will know what it is for the well, from which the population of Ukraine has been watered for over 20 years. And this is completely unsurprising, for it says: Russophobia.

Imagine that one rich person, experiencing temporary difficulties, distributed for temporary storage all his wealth to his neighbors. The neighbors, realizing that the owner might not return, and realizing that all wealth could be appropriated to themselves, quickly came up with a rationale that the wealth they had always belonged to. That the cruel and brutal master simply by force appropriated all the good to himself, which rightfully belongs to them, his neighbors. And that it always belonged to them, and who does not believe, can read the latest "textbooks stories», In which all this is described in detail. So there is no doubt - this is all ours, and who is against, that occupier. And if he resists, then we will call the “civilized world”, he will arrive and confirm.

This metaphor depicts the nature of power in almost all CIS countries. Including in Ukraine. At the same time, it is important to divide Ukraine as a native land and as a state. I am talking about the political regime in Ukraine established by the Americans after the 1991 year. Nouveau riche regime, who totally disowned history and the people and invented his own “history”, justifying his betrayal. Story of Ukraine. That is the way to translate into English that official “history of Ukraine”, which is obligatory for study in all schools and universities.

Everything is very simple. In order for people to take away something, the easiest way is to impress that they do not need it. In order to rob the people of their homeland, you need to demonize it and replace the new "homeland". Independent, democratic, European integration. Not that “backward Russia”. Because if Russia is not backward, then all propaganda crumbles like a house of cards. This can not be allowed. To this end, all over the media from morning to night rivers are pouring in “evidence” of how “human rights” are oppressed in Russia, the authorities are afraid of everything, and people are limited in everything. Of course, everything is done correctly, at the level of the background, embedded in the subconscious. Such a nice-sweet background, on which your nightmare is perceived almost as a holiday.

And how else, tell me, prove that part of the Russian land should not be together with the rest of Russia? If the anti-Russian hysteria is stopped, the truth will become obvious: since some part of the Russian land exists apart from all of Russia, then by this very fact it claims its anti-Russianness. Therefore, the image of the enemy - just what you need. And they mold it very carefully.

Russophobia is the only source of legitimacy of any "independent" power in Ukraine. The absence of Russophobia automatically casts doubt on its legitimacy of power, since a reasonable question arises: why is it needed at all then, this “independent” power? Therefore, the official authorities are forced to prove to everyone, but above all to themselves, their legitimacy by protection from the “Russian enemy”.

Hence the conclusion: no matter how Russian the candidate for presidency of Ukraine may be, he can never become a Russian president. For who will he be then as a result of reunification with the rest of Russia? Just one of. It is not by chance that Yanukovych publicly rejected the state status of the Russian language literally one week after the inauguration, publicly betraying all his voters.

The very logic of the existence of the state of Ukraine, separate from the rest of Russia, dictates the Kiev authorities Russophobic line. When things are going really bad and we need to somehow make excuses, the next gas war with Russia is being started with cries about “enslaving conditions” and “unfair gas prices” (as if this were not the official leadership of Ukraine entered into a contract). If Russia builds South Stream, leaving Ukraine alone with its gas transport system, then it is even worse. You should have seen that hysteria, which professional Ukrainians have turned up about the “South Stream” (there is such a profession in Ukraine, which is very profitable, by the way, and well paid). Remember the words of the barmaid from “Striped Flight”: “He finds fault with me, he doesn’t pay attention to me at all”? This is exactly the case.

It would seem that official Kiev should rejoice at breaking the “enslaving” ties with Russia. But the fact of the matter is that Ukraine does not want to be independent, because then you have to take responsibility for the degradation that has been going on for 20 years. Therefore, it is very convenient to take this position: we are going “to Europe” and we wanted to spit on Russia, but since we are fraternal peoples, then pay us our “European integration”. Yeah, you don't want to see, we said that the Russians want to capture us! This is a win-win position. Only now its win-win was based on the potential that went to Ukraine from the USSR. And this potential is very quickly exhausted ...

Will there be enough courage in the authorities to admit their betrayal and apostasy and take the path of correction? I do not think that she is capable of this, seeing the monstrous evil that she deliberately carries to her people, and that sea of ​​lies in which she is stuck. At the same time, I do not mean a particular government at all (they all stand for each other), but I mean the last 20 years as a whole. Any authority in Ukraine always blames the previous one, but all together they even more strongly blame Russia. But how else from myself suspicions take?

We, the patriots of our United Russian Fatherland, should not be mistaken about the patriotism of the authorities in Ukraine, which will inevitably be Russophobic neo-Nazi in nature, as long as this part of Russia considers itself “independent”. The clue is that Ukraine, as the territory from which the local oligarchy feeds, tends to be not independent of any external influences, but “Square” against the rest of Russia, receiving for this as a reward from the “civilized” owners of this territory. Because for them, Ukraine is not a homeland, no matter how much they may boast of their patriotism, but a territory, on the transit status of which you can parasitize carelessly. And all the actions of the official Kiev are reduced to one thing - to sell the territorial-geopolitical resource called Ukraine as profitably as possible.

Those who love the Fatherland, who live alone with the thought of his reunification, will never accept the divisive ideology of the Ukrainians, in the sin of the pride of the intended. We will forever, whatever happens, we will remain loyal to the Russian state and the Russian Orthodox Church! And be sure to reunite Holy Russia!
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  1. Vanek
    Vanek 5 March 2013 07: 37
    +8
    I don’t know how in the rest of Ukraine, but in Odessa ..........
    1. bask
      bask 5 March 2013 07: 54
      +11
      Quote:] the source of the legitimacy of the “independent” power in Ukraine is Russophobia [/ quote

      Russophobia in Ukraine is heated and eats always from everything.
      1 Catholic Uniate Church
      2 poles instigators.
      3 members of gangs from UNA-UNSO.
      1. opkozak
        opkozak 5 March 2013 12: 16
        +4
        "We have a fatally rooted almost belief that Little Russian is, they say, uneducated, primitive, underdeveloped, without national consciousness, in a word, as they say, a dark mass... Enough, they say, with the help of "Enlightenment" to enlighten, convince and realize - and the case is repaired. But everyone who has taken the trouble to dwell on this problem knows how much the presented scheme differs from reality. Little Russia, although the phenomenon is frequent and quantitative, touched our main national mass the least - the peasantry (which should not please us especially, because it is not the masses that make history). In our country, Little Russia has always been a disease not only of a half-intellectual, but - and above all - of an intelligentsia, therefore, it befell the stratum that should play the role of the brain center of the nation. And this is the essence of the problem. "Yevgeniy Malanyuk - Ukrainian writer, poet, cultural encyclopedist, publicist, literary critic 1897-1968.
        There are Maloros, s and Rusyns in Ukraine, together they make up one Ukrainian people. Little growers are winning now. When the country gets rich, the Rusyns will be ahead, and it becomes poorer -
        1. bask
          bask 5 March 2013 12: 27
          +14
          Quote: opkozak
          Aloross is, they say, uneducated, primitive, underdeveloped, without a national

          Who are you, opkozak SUCH X ..... TOLD. RUSSIAN UKRAINIANS AND BELARUSIANS ARE BROTHERS FOR AGE. !!!
          WE ARE GENETICALLY INDIFFERENT AND HISTORICALLY ALSO
          THE REST OF THE ,, Evil One ,,,
          1. Northerner
            Northerner 5 March 2013 21: 41
            +1
            Sorry, + to you! I typed my comment and did not look at yours! SOLIDARENCE YOU !!!
        2. Polytechnic
          Polytechnic 5 March 2013 14: 35
          +6
          I had a friend (Russophobe) who sincerely believes that the Russians called the Little Russians Little Russians, because for them we are small shkets and backward ... funny
          PS although I'm from Novorossiya
        3. Setrac
          Setrac 5 March 2013 15: 08
          +2
          Quote: opkozak
          Almost fatally rooted in our country is the belief that Little Russians are, they say, uneducated, primitive, underdeveloped, without national consciousness, in a word, as they say, a dark mass.

          Yeah, these are the illiterates who built the world's best tanks, ballistic missiles and aircraft carriers!
    2. esaul
      esaul 5 March 2013 07: 54
      +16
      Quote: Vanek
      Those who love the Fatherland, who live only by the thought of their reunification, will never accept the schismatic ideology of Ukraine, in the sin of the pride of the conceived.

      And I'm glad that there are such guys on this site! I won’t point a finger, but we all see the friendly, understanding comments of the guys from Ukraine. And I always admire their balanced reaction to overly emotional attacks on their country.
      Greetings, Ivan. hi
      Quote: Vanek
      but in Odessa ..........

      Tell me, it’s interesting to know.
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 5 March 2013 08: 02
        +12
        Quote: esaul
        Tell me, it’s interesting to know.


        Valery hi

        Yes there is everything in the way. Everyone speaks Russian. Not even a hint of Russophobia (maybe, however, we did not go to "those" places) or something else. People are friendly and cheerful. In general, Odessans. Wherever you go, a cafe, a bar, everywhere with a smile. Asking how to get through - they almost see off.
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 5 March 2013 10: 34
          +4
          Quote: Vanek
          People are friendly, funny. In general, Odessa.

          Ilf and Petrov also wrote, implying on the Black Sea Odessa that everyone there dreamed of the status of the city "free port", that is, independent and open to everyone ... laughing
        2. Polytechnic
          Polytechnic 5 March 2013 14: 37
          +2
          As a resident of Odessa I confirm! Although more and more Svobodovites appear, sometimes it feels like they are being settled here in new buildings
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 5 March 2013 15: 42
            +1
            Quote: Polytechnic
            Although more and more Svobodovites appear, sometimes it feels like they are being settled here in new buildings

            And don't hesitate! it was the "guys" from the memory that were sent to serve in Sevastopol, so that "their own" could say so. But in Odessa and "Antifa" is and works! Odessa won't give up!
          2. Good man
            Good man 5 March 2013 17: 03
            0
            Quote: Polytechnic
            As a resident of Odessa I confirm! Although more and more Svobodovites appear, sometimes it feels like they are being settled here in new buildings

            Local Jews left for Israel, and residents of neighboring villages and towns came to their place ... and for the most part they have different views than local Russians and Jews.
            I myself did not expect the last time to hear so much surzhik and Ukrainian in Odessa.
            1. ATATA
              ATATA 5 March 2013 18: 03
              0
              Quote: Good man
              I myself did not expect the last time to hear so much surzhik and Ukrainian in Odessa.
              There are some comrades, he beats the bells all the time, they say Ukraine is no longer the same, there are Ukrainians alone and it’s not fashionable for Russians to look, they say look at the forums there is everything on mov, etc. for the independence. I tensed went through the forums of Kharkov, Donbass, Odessa, Crimea ...
              From the heart relieved. They are explained in Russian, there are about as many maydaunas as here. They are driven in full. In short, not everything is so gloomy in the short term. hi
      2. Net
        Net 5 March 2013 09: 58
        +10
        And I'm glad that there are such guys on this site! I won’t point a finger, but we all see the friendly, understanding comments of the guys from Ukraine. And I always admire their balanced reaction to overly emotional attacks on their country.

        But because, most of the Russians living in this country do not identify themselves with it absolutely. On the contrary, everything that happens there with THEM looks like the tricks of a hostile regime. Sometimes I catch myself thinking that often Crimeans, speaking about events that do not take place in Crimea, use the phrase that they say, "well, well, it's there - in Ukraine ..." Rejection of this treacherous formation of Ukraine at the genetic level. Therefore, comment on your health, it is very interesting sometimes to listen to your views, which are very often much more optimistic than it is here.
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 5 March 2013 18: 25
          +1
          Quote: Netto
          But because, most of the Russians living in this country do not identify themselves with it absolutely. On the contrary, everything that happens there with THEM looks like the tricks of a hostile regime. Sometimes I catch myself thinking that often Crimeans, speaking about events that do not take place in Crimea, use the phrase that they say, "well, well, it's there - in Ukraine ..." Rejection of this treacherous formation of Ukraine at the genetic level. By

          It will be necessary to read to give mother-in-law) High laugh) (Russian from St. Petersburg). She then took naive citizenship .... sales go to the polls ... votes)))
          Incidentally, about "ah, well, it's there - in Ukraine ..." - the Westerners like to say something like that, the current "Ukraine" - on "I'm a Nazi muzzle, ia"
    3. domokl
      domokl 5 March 2013 07: 58
      +5
      Quote: Vanek
      but in Odessa .......

      laughing And in Odessa there is always good weather on Deribasovskaya ... By the way, I don’t understand why in all Ukrainian disassemblies Odessa sounds a little ... There are no special nationalistic troubles, but there are no particularly pro-Russian troubles ...
      1. andrey777
        andrey777 5 March 2013 08: 25
        +2
        Odessa has always been an international city, regardless of power.
      2. Dipsy
        Dipsy 5 March 2013 14: 16
        +2
        Historically, Odessa is a city with its own culture, a lot of Russianness, but also the contribution of other peoples is significant. In Odessa, a lot of borrowings from Moldavian, Armenian and other languages.
        That is why the city was branded as "Ukrainophobia" the local population strongly opposed Ukrainization.
    4. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 5 March 2013 09: 55
      +25
      And sho in Odessa? In Odessa, everything that has been turned into a reservation for the people by communist rogues led by a cunning one throughout the territory. greedy and vile KRAVCHUK, with the subsequent forced transfer of power to a kuchimu by bandits KUCHMA, an idiot in the presence of the wife of the CIA resident Katerina Yushchenko and by “crowned” bandits from that region “profFesor”, “academician”, “writer” and simply “bandyukovich” YANUKOVICH.
      Ukraine is not a state. Ukraine is a territory affected by malignant corruption from a "guarantor" to a petty clerk and not protected by laws. and the concepts of bandyukovich in all branches of government and protected by bandits in uniform. The people, for the most part, have found their silk in life and somersault alone with their problems, tired of futile attempts to change something. This is what openly cynical, vile, hypocritical, fraudulent leaders like EFREMOV and political whores under the communist brand of Simonenko use.
      You cannot correct the situation from the inside. They have long passed the point of return to democratic values. Correcting the situation radically is possible only from outside. But what for who needs us. So the main bandyukovich rushes between East and West, bargaining for himself the conditions for a calm, comfortable old age.
      1. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 5 March 2013 10: 11
        +4
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        the main bandyukovich between East and West bargaining for himself conditions for a calm, comfortable old age


        = Is it possible? and this is not a similar case with a whore who thinks that I’m going to earn a front end for myself = calm, comfortable old age!
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 5 March 2013 10: 58
          +7
          Everything is extremely simple. To take something away from people, the easiest way is to suggest that they don’t need it. To take away the homeland from people, it is necessary to demonize it and replace it with a new “homeland”. Independent, democratic, European integrating.
          The project "Nezalezhnosti" from the moment of its implementation began to resemble an unviable geek with a hypertrophied sense of national self-awareness. But in reality, it turned out that on nationalist "show-offs" the real the state cannot be built. The difference in vision of the country's development path from the east is too big (Donbass good ), south (Crimea good ) and the West (Galicia negative ) To build normal relations with terry nationalism, more and more reminiscent of a fascist party rushing to power, is, in my opinion, impossible, and simply criminal. The Ukrainian leadership, mired in the destruction of the country, constant geopolitical flirtation with the United States, NATO, Europe, is unable to "sew together" the disparate the political blanket of the state (which can be called with some reservations) .Ukraine is digging a hole for itself, thinking that it is laying the foundation ...
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 5 March 2013 11: 28
            +8
            Quote: Corsair
            To build normal relations with terry nationalism, which is increasingly reminiscent of the fascist party tearing to power, in my opinion is not possible, and simply criminal.

            "In the province of Saskatchewan (Regina), the Congress of Ukrainians of Canada (CUK) is registered and is actively operating. By a strange coincidence, the Canadian intelligence headquarters is also located there. The Ukrainian media reported that the leadership of the KUK, represented by Ed Lysik and Orest Varnitsa, is an intermediary between Svoboda and its overseas patrons. Financial support for the activities of "svobodovtsy" from the hands of Canadian intelligence officers falls into the hands of the KUK leadership. In general, Canadians are implementing more than 200 economic, humanitarian and social programs in Ukraine. As a rule, under the auspices of the Canadian International Development Agency (CIDA) (TRUTH, AMERICAN AIDS EVEN WRITTEN REMINDERS?). The scheme is simple - the Ministry of Economy of Ukraine registers a joint Canadian-Ukrainian project with the condition that foreign guests themselves choose a consultant company to assist in the implementation of the project. In most cases, Canadian companies act as consultants, the cost of services of which is often equal to the amount of money invested, which, therefore, is returned to the pockets of their previous owners. The highlight is that the Ukrainian authorities do not have the ability to control the receipt and expenditure of all funds in the country. Such an opaque scheme allows Canadians to use financial resources not only for economic, but also for political purposes. This is, first of all, information support of the political demarches of Ukrainian nationalists and, as a result, a campaign to defame the government of Viktor Yanukovych and his foreign policy steps towards Russia. Considering that Tyagnibok has strong financial support coming from Canada and the United States, it is not surprising that Svoboda's information policy is stepping up ahead of the last parliamentary elections. Its minimum task was to preserve the captured section of the electoral field, the maximum task was to stir up and lead the nationalistically oriented stratum of the population in Russian-speaking Ukraine, to organize, so to speak, a campaign against Kiev. Cells of "Svoboda" operate in almost every major city, and by creating a nationalist coalition in Galicia led by "Svoboda", its partners increased the investment attractiveness of Tyagnibok's party. According to Tyagnibok himself, “today the cooperation of politicians and the media - not only central but also local ones - lies exclusively in the financial plane". http://www.kpu.krivbassinfo.com/cgi-bin/kpu.pl?lang=ru&action=showstat&sndir=201

            2_11 & razd = 13 & stat = 11
            1. Felix200970
              Felix200970 5 March 2013 22: 16
              +2
              Quote: Kaa
              "In the province of Saskatchewan (Regina), the Congress of Ukrainians of Canada (CUK) is registered and is actively operating. By a strange coincidence, the regional headquarters of Canadian intelligence is also located there.

              Yes, not right. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police Academy is located in Regina, and the fact that there is also a KUK there - there are 179 Ukrainians from 7 thousand inhabitants (at least they think so). There are 120 thousand inhabitants in Kamenetz-Podolsky, but there was one (it’s hard to find a name for this creature and this is purely my opinion regarding him, not Muslims in general) and registered Hezbollah (a paradox, but we have the right to use it). Psychiatrists are still struggling with the question of his sanity, but this does not mean that in Kamenetz-Podolsky someone can distinguish Shiite from Sunni.
        2. dmitreach
          dmitreach 5 March 2013 15: 24
          0
          Is that possible?

          nickname 1 and 2, Gorby did it.
      2. Kaa
        Kaa 5 March 2013 10: 49
        +11
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        Correcting the situation radically is possible only from outside.

        "After the collapse of the USSR, the great powers began a battle for the Great Geopolitical Spaces. And to prevent excessive "fraternization" between Germany and Russia began to pursue a consistent policy on the creation of the Black Sea-Baltic corridor with reliance on Poland and Romania. In order to prevent the strengthening of Russia's power through integration with Ukraine, special attention was paid to the organization of the "orange" revolution, and the independent provincial nationalists were declared the petrels of democracy. Ukraine remains a state with "incompetent sovereignty"... George Friedman, after visiting Kiev, came to the following conclusion that Ukraine is an independent state, but does not know "what to do with this independence."The historical nature of Ukrainian independence is based on the anti-Russian idea. Therefore, permanent Russian-Ukrainian conflicts will continue in the foreseeable future, until a single Ukrainian nation takes place instead of the split Western and Eastern Ukraine. Unlike Russia, Ukrainian oligarchs have a huge influence on the government and use it to solve their corporate problems. Independent Ukraine has yet to overcome the "little brother" syndrome, which is accustomed to counting on "big brother" preferences, regardless of its behavior. The problems of joining the EU Free Trade Zone and the CIS Customs Union have no purely economic solution for Ukraine. The choice does not depend on the political will of the authorities, but on the desire of the Ukrainian oligarchs to obtain legitimacy in the West for the capital and assets transferred to offshore. Behind the geopolitics of the Big Pipe, Ukraine is seen from the Kremlin as a transit state, and not the largest space of the Russian language and culture outside the borders. In Eastern Europe, a regional indicator of the processes of geopolitical and geoeconomic transformation is historical region of Novorossia (with Crimea) or Ukrainian Black Sea coast. The largest array of Russians and other non-titular peoples of Ukraine abroad is concentrated here. Unlike the Ukrainians of Galicia, the former colonial outskirts of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, in the mentality of the inhabitants of the Black Sea region, internationalism has always dominated the ideas of nationalism. Novorossia is the most successful example of European regional integration in the Russian Empire connected with the personalities of statesmen, for whom the interests of the fatherland were higher than personal. European liberalism, multi-ethnicity and traditions of economic freedom ensured not only the standard of living, but also its high quality. As a result, during the Civil War, Novorossia was mainly on the side of the whites, and the prosperous peasantry fell under the banner of Old Man Makhno. Therefore, the Soviet government punished Novorossia with repressions, especially in the Crimea and Odessa, and the name of the region was withdrawn from use. Now this policy continues the Ukrainian government. The US attempts to oust Russia from the Black Sea region by strengthening the role of Ukraine and turning it into a regional power were unsuccessful. However, Russia’s lack of a consistent and firm Black Sea policy could lead to the loss of geopolitical positions in the region. . If the Kremlin loses the last battle for Eastern Europe and the integrity of Orthodox civilization, it will be possible to put an end to the revival of a great power.
        Details: http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1600298.html#ixzz2Me4ISb4S
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 5 March 2013 12: 47
          +5
          Quote: Kaa
          Kaa

          Hey, constantly minus "... Cossack", show yourself, write, what does not suit you all the time? So there were no Cossacks when they were born, everyone who did not like the Poles went to the Sich ... If not from there, then the Cossacks said: "Well, shall we show the cross, or take off our pants?" laughing
      3. Egoza
        Egoza 5 March 2013 11: 03
        +4
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        You cannot correct the situation from the inside.

        I would not be so pessimistic about the situation. Right now, when the "bastard" began to openly unfold, people, including young people, begin to repulse them. And the harder they press, the harder they get. Perhaps the Party of Regions really plays up to them in the expectation that in the next elections, the people, fearing the fascists, will again quickly vote for the Party of Regions and Yanukovych. Only one thing was not taken into account - having convinced themselves of the open betrayal of the PR and its leader, hating the fascists, the people will sweep away both of them. Of course, we should expect a split, and it is good if it will cost a little blood. Those who want to travel to Europe without a visa to earn money will furiously defend "unity with Europe" However, I want to give you one very interesting quote (which also gives me optimism)
        "ATTENTION !!! All nationally excited! Listen to the voice of MIND from Canada. Ukrainian Canadian Victor Polishchuk warned the sick Little Russians a few years ago:" WITHOUT OVERCOMING UKRAINIAN NATIONALISM OVER THE PEOPLE OF UKRAINE, THE PROFESSIONAL OF THE UKRAINE WILL BE A CHARGE THREAT TO THE US : "The easiest way to destroy Ukraine is to start Ukrainizing non-Ukrainians. The greatest danger for independent Ukraine is represented by language fans"
        Until they hear it, they’ll have to give it on their head and forcibly clean their ears. laughing
        1. Luna
          Luna 5 March 2013 12: 24
          +1
          Unfortunately, everything is not as optimistic as we would like. VERY many say that they will have to vote for Yanukovych as the lesser of evils. To my objections - maybe a terrible end would be better? - there is a wave of indignation and accusation of sympathy for the Natsiks.

          But they didn’t take into account one thing - making sure of the open betrayal of the PR and its leader, hating the fascists, the people will sweep away both of them

          And when, finally, will they be convinced? In my opinion, there’s nowhere else to go, but otherwise, in the old joke about the unfaithful wife and the trousers on the doorknob, again the unknown .......
          The authorities have long understood that the patience of the South-East is ENDLESS. And she does not sympathize with anyone, except her beloved. Yesterday it was reported that the Odessa oil refinery "Lukoil" after a two-year downtime sold to the group "Vetek", behind which is Kurchenko. The one that recently "squeezed" FC "Metalist". Many are wondering where the money came from to this previously unknown 27-year-old "businessman" ... they say from the eldest son of Yanukovych.
        2. Polytechnic
          Polytechnic 5 March 2013 14: 47
          +2
          I would not be so pessimistic about the situation. Right now, when the "bastard" began to openly unfold, people, including young people, begin to repulse them. And the harder they press, the harder they get. Perhaps the Party of Regions really plays up to them in the expectation that in the next elections, the people, fearing the fascists, will again quickly vote for the Party of Regions and Yanukovych. Only one thing was not taken into account - having convinced themselves of the open betrayal of the PR and its leader, hating the fascists, the people will sweep away both of them.

          Fascist Freedom is now showing its impunity, demolishing monuments and doing what they want and the police can do nothing, because The deputies do mostly active actions, and they are known to be inviolable. I’m afraid that they can even take over the supreme power, but of course this will not do without blood (
      4. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 5 March 2013 16: 10
        +1
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        You cannot correct the situation from the inside.

        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        Correcting the situation radically is possible only from outside.

        To do this, you need at least one adequate politician in power who can take this help from outside and use it properly. And you simply don’t have it now. nobody needs
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 5 March 2013 17: 04
          +2
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Either gangster clans and oligarchs or stubborn nationalists

          Good day!
          Are you oversimplifying? Or do we have no decent parties? We have them ... only all the abbreviations are somehow strange - OUN - for example, the Ukrainian Nationalist Opposition (in common parlance "Freedom") fool ... Opposition Ukrainian Uncertain (colloquially "Strike" Klitschko ") angry , Opposition Ukrainian Undead (Tymoshenko supporters) crying , Opposition Ukrainian Snappy (rabbit Arsenty) fellow , Opposition Ukrainian Neocommunist (Simonenkivtsi) soldier , well, pro-government - Deceived Ukrainian Hopes negative . Wherever you throw - OUN is everywhere, so soon it will reach UPA ... deja vu am
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 5 March 2013 17: 29
            +3
            Quote: Kaa
            Are you that easy?

            Quote: Kaa
            Are you that easy?

            Quote: Kaa

            Kaa

            Well, you need to be a true gourmet to understand shades of shit wassat I’m somehow more used to a simple menu request -block of communists and non-partisan laughing
    5. Northerner
      Northerner 5 March 2013 21: 36
      +2
      Good time everyone! Guys, brothers! Do you really not understand that as a simple resident of Ukraine and Russia, these are two fraternal people, two, halves of one whole, bright, kind! Even though I will never believe that Ukraine will be released from its tentacles by the dying octopus N! Aglo-Saxons! But I will believe that our genetics will defeat the information war waged for the purposes of the Divide and Conquer policy !! Remember! We have a common history! We have a common victory! We share genetics! We are people who can create !! Build wonderful! The world's best tanks! Aircraft! Spaceships! All this is possible only if we are together! Think about it! Only we are characterized by such feelings as compassion and sorrow, and not the simulated "Oh, My God" is the same as Waw! Whatever government exploits us, we intuitively at the genetic level understand that the Granites of our division are only a temporary phenomenon, we are one big ethno group and no one except us brothers Slavs does not need us! If we are separate from each other, we will simply be crushed by the slaves of the parasites who have occupied our native land, mother! Remember, if not for our joint efforts in the Second World War, after the whole gamerope tried to put us cancer on the money of the Naglo-Saxons! There would be no Ukraine, no Russia, but there would be a warped page of forged history instead of a bright page of creation !!
  2. domokl
    domokl 5 March 2013 07: 44
    +8
    It’s very profitable to sell a geopolitical resource called Ukraine. It’s striking, but essentially true to an abomination ... And the Russians and Ukrainians will not understand for 20 years why we want to live together, but it doesn’t work ... But the casket, as always it just opens, its own shirt (pocket) closer to the body ... Temporary workers in power And the people, as in the famous opera, are silent ...
  3. ATATA
    ATATA 5 March 2013 07: 50
    +11
    The power of Russia can only be undermined by the separation of Ukraine from it ... it is necessary not only to tear off, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia. To do this, you only need to find and nurture traitors among the elite and, with their help, change the self-awareness of one part of the great people to such an extent that they will hate everything Russian, hate their kind, without realizing it. Everything else is a matter of time.

    PR specialists of independent Ukraine heard about this quote, from whose words they sing songs?
    1. Rink
      Rink 5 March 2013 13: 46
      +6
      Quote: ATATA
      PR specialists of independent Ukraine heard about this quote, from whose words they sing songs?

      I also have an open secret!
      Do they know who they get their salaries from or what ambassador they go to consultations with? : D rhetorical question ...

      Only ordinary people, the "victims" of their activities, can not know. Under the influence of this massive propaganda study, even among some adults who are not particularly "thinkers" a negative image of Russia is formed, which sleeps and sees how to do worse to all ordinary Ukrainians.

      PS By the way, half an hour ago after the news was broadcast on TV there was a block like "this day in such and such a year", and in it they again remembered the shooting of Polish officers by the Russians (unfortunately, he did not see on which channel in the next room). So, in spite of the fact that Russia won the European Court of Katyn, on Ukrainian television they continue to invest in the ears of the population "shooting Poles" ... But is it possible to lose such a propaganda "ace" ?! so you have to ignore the court's decision.
      Goebbels spawn!
  4. 120352
    120352 5 March 2013 08: 01
    +32
    Russophobia in Ukraine-dislike for themselves. The Ukrainian is not an ethnonym, but a territorial binding of a certain community of people to the locality. The nation, as it was Russian from the time of Novgorod and Kiev, remained.
    I will explain it to the especially gifted. I am a Petersburger and at the same time Russian. My friend in Pridnestrovie is Pridnestrovian and at the same time Russian. And Pridnestrovie itself returned to the Russian state as a result of the expulsion of the Turks by the troops of Suvrorv at the end of the 18th century. People living in Siberia are called Siberians, but this does not prevent them from remaining Russian. So the Ukrainians are Russians living at the edge of the Russian land. And there is nothing more to invent here, and no one seriously, except for petty speculating politicians, such as Kravchuk (or Kravchukchi?), Did not take Grushevsky seriously. In general, it is very funny that suddenly there appears an "ancient people of ukry" who are less years old than my grandmother, who was born in the Crimea and is also Russian.
    But to buy Ukraine, the same as, say, the Moscow region, there is no need. This is Russian land and it cannot be another!
  5. esaul
    esaul 5 March 2013 08: 12
    +4
    Vanek,
    That's it - the site is buggy ... I'm trying to thank you, Ivan, and the technique is powdering my brains.
    Quote: Vanek
    Yes, everything is there. All speak Russian.

    I would like to answer this with the words of one of the movie characters - "... May day ...! May day ...! Name day hearts!" drinks
  6. Tatarus
    Tatarus 5 March 2013 08: 16
    0
    So you need to send troops and free those who
    Quote: 120352
    Russians living at the edge of Russian land

    from occupational and hostile to them (Russian) authorities. soldier
  7. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 5 March 2013 08: 20
    +2
    the author is direct captain evidence! even if he writes that the basis of the state policy of the Baltic countries is Russophobia, then in general he will open his eyes to all.
  8. Avenger711
    Avenger711 5 March 2013 08: 21
    0
    And then we did not know. Like it or not, Ukraine will sooner or later be banned, after 5 years, 10, 20, even after 50, but Russia will die, or this form of Nazism will be defeated, like German Nazism during the Second World War.
    1. Good man
      Good man 5 March 2013 18: 15
      +1
      Quote: Avenger711
      Like it or not, Ukraine will sooner or later be banned, after 5 years, 10, 20, even after 50, but Russia will die, or this form of Nazism will be defeated, like German Nazism during the Second World War.

      I understand this is inciting ethnic hatred and a call for the destruction of Ukrainians as a nation?
      Have you read Hitler?
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 5 March 2013 18: 35
        +1
        Rather, harsh pessimism (The author even "Russia is dying"
        P.S. I remember the saying "about a cow and a neighbor", its truth is usually spoken about Ukraine, but then I look at it and some Russians also have it (mb in 50 years Russia will die - but Ukraine will die 100% too!)
  9. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 5 March 2013 08: 41
    +1
    "Let's imagine that one rich man, experiencing temporary difficulties, distributed all his wealth to his neighbors for temporary storage. The neighbors, realizing that the owner may not return, and realizing that all the wealth can be appropriated for themselves, quickly came up with a justification that the stored wealth has always belonged to them. That the cruel and brutal owner simply by force appropriated all the goods for himself, which rightfully belongs to them, his neighbors. And that it has always belonged to them, and who does not believe can read the latest "history textbooks", in which this is detailed. So there is no doubt - this is all ours, and whoever is against is the occupier. "

    And if a thing broke or stupidly broke, trusting the advice of idiots, as in the next news about Lithuania, then you can also ask for money from the one who gave it to you to use.
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 5 March 2013 18: 41
      +2
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Imagine that one rich man, experiencing temporary difficulties, handed over all his wealth to his neighbors for temporary storage. The neighbors, realizing that the owner might not return, and realizing that all the wealth can be appropriated to themselves, quickly came up with the rationale that the stored wealth always belonged to them.

      By the way ... good people ... reveal to me the meaning of THIS paragraph ...
      1. Who is the "rich" person?
      2. to whom and how did he distribute wealth for "temporary storage" ... who are these bad "neighbors"?)
      3. And how exactly and what exactly, these bad "neighbors", appropriated
      The rest is not very interesting ... blah blah about "Russophobia". To the author: It is better to look at your "Ukrainophobia" sometimes, at least on holidays.
  10. Aleksey44
    Aleksey44 5 March 2013 08: 52
    +15
    Putin and Medvedev are sitting in a forest in a clearing and frying Yushchenko at the stake ..))
    Medvedev:
    “Volodya, why are you spinning so fast? He won’t be fried ?!”
    Putin:
    - You see, if I twist slowly, then this reptile coal pussy% t "=)
    1. Mefodiy
      Mefodiy 5 March 2013 11: 28
      0
      Answer anecdotes about the new Russian tsar ??? Stupid ... Then the controversy will be just below the "plinth"
      1. xan
        xan 5 March 2013 12: 16
        +2
        Mefodiy,
        yes come on if good
        who is arguing with jokes?
        1. Net
          Net 5 March 2013 12: 26
          +8
          Khan, I'll tell you an anecdote about the "new Russian tsar" wink Ukrainians are asked: "What would you do if you became a king !?" Into a hundred rubles and a zbig! Here it is subtle - all the mentality of these comrades in a few words! wink
          1. Corneli
            Corneli 5 March 2013 20: 19
            +5
            Quote: Netto
            Khan, I'll tell you a joke about the "new Russian tsar" wink a Ukrainian is asked: "What would you do if you became a tsar !?" Into a hundred rubles and zbig! Here it is subtle - all the mentality of these comrades in a few words! wink

            That is why such a cloud of Russian oligarchs lives in the west! I used to wonder, and they turn out to be hidden Ukrainians !!! Here it is Th Mikhalych ....
            1. Gecko
              Gecko 5 March 2013 21: 09
              +2
              The vast majority are Jews.
      2. Aleksey44
        Aleksey44 5 March 2013 15: 04
        +1
        I respect Vladimir Vladimirovich with great respect. And this joke about the old Ukrainian tsar. Alas, he did not deserve a different opinion of himself. lol
        Continue to debate, dear Methodius.
  11. zennon
    zennon 5 March 2013 08: 58
    +4
    Let them live as they want. We need to return the Donbas and Crimea. Everything! And whether they are Russophobic or not, they are violet. Any "friendship" with any neighbors ends for us with just one - pumping our resources there and impoverishing Russia. How much can you step on the same rake?!
    1. Polytechnic
      Polytechnic 5 March 2013 15: 23
      +4
      Why no one talks about Odessa, Ishmael, Kherson? Not New Russia? Gaijins?))
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 5 March 2013 18: 04
        0
        Quote: Polytechnic
        Why no one talks about Odessa, Ishmael, Kherson? Not New Russia? Gaijins?))

        And what's there?
        1. Polytechnic
          Polytechnic 5 March 2013 19: 01
          +1
          I'm talking about the fact that the comrade above says to return the Donbas and Crimea, as if the territories I set out are not Russian.
  12. IRBIS
    IRBIS 5 March 2013 08: 59
    +6
    The key to the desire for independence and independence in the modern world in general lies mostly in the desire of someone to become a "tsar", a sort of "county prince". On the world map, there are already openly bandit states proclaiming the ideas of national identity, but in fact they are the fiefdom of individual groups of criminal communities. Time, of course, will judge, only the damage to the former relations has already been irreparable and it will take decades to restore them.
    1. Oidsoldier
      Oidsoldier 5 March 2013 11: 17
      0
      Quote: IRBIS
      Time, of course, will judge, only the damage to past relationships has already been irreparable and will have to be restored now for decades.

      Insight comes quickly. Remember how quickly the communist ideology faded away under the onslaught of the "new thinking". The Ukraine has not yet settled so deeply in the brain as it was with the communist ideology in the head of the Soviet man.
  13. bombowoz
    bombowoz 5 March 2013 09: 32
    +4
    Perhaps the time has come for Russia to begin to pursue a tougher protectionist policy in Ukraine. Only not with their political elite, but through the people. A closer relationship with local regional authorities in terms of business and investment, some social programs, the purchase of land through front-line commercial structures. Their elite love money more than their country. And therefore, carried away by pushing up the dough and will not notice how much of the country is in the hands of Russia. Of course, it is clear that it’s nonsense to buy your own land occupied by raiders from rogues.
    Well, you can promote a Ukrainian of Russian origin into power (so that he does not have complications with his historical homeland). And then, if the case burns out, unite our countries.
    It should be planted not on a gas needle, but on the needle of good and sincere human relationships. People are not stupid and will understand where evil is, where is good. They themselves will be given an organ mixer.
  14. Corporal
    Corporal 5 March 2013 09: 43
    0
    People need someone who is "to blame for everything," on whom they can blame for their laziness, irresponsibility and cowardice.
    We have this government, America, "blacks", "liberals".
    Ukrov from time immemorial - Russian. The current government did not invent anything new, it simply allowed not to love Russians openly.
    1. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 5 March 2013 10: 21
      0
      Quote: Efreytor
      People need someone who is "to blame"


      Well yes! Our corruption is to blame. In Ukraine -. Barks, and Bandyuki.

      Or maybe the truth is that Russians have not been loved in Ukraine for a long time. It was just somehow imperceptible or we were too presumptuous.
    2. Oidsoldier
      Oidsoldier 5 March 2013 11: 20
      +3
      Quote: Efreytor
      The current government didn’t invent anything new, it simply allowed not to love Russians openly

      A bit wrong. The current government supports Russophobes and imposes this ideology on the majority, as patriotic and correct.
    3. Corneli
      Corneli 5 March 2013 18: 43
      +1
      Quote: Efreytor
      Ukrov from time immemorial - Russian. The current government did not invent anything new, it simply allowed not to love Russians openly.

      belay
      1. dropout
        dropout 5 March 2013 20: 16
        +1
        Quote: Corneli
        The current government did not invent anything new, it simply allowed not to love Russians openly.


        Forced to repeat his koment of January 24th.
        Ukraine today resembles a partisan detachment led by a provocateur.
  15. Kolya
    Kolya 5 March 2013 09: 52
    0
    In Ukraine there is no Russian news channel available for ordinary Ukrainians. And from Kiev they constantly watered slop - expensive gas, they don’t buy cheese, and Russia lives in the Stone Age. Yes, people do not know the truth simply!
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 5 March 2013 10: 05
      +8
      Kolya! Even in Canada, you can freely watch TV in Russia. In Ukraine, there would be a desire and look. Maybe somewhere in the deep gorge of the Carpathian mountains he doesn’t take and there is no plate. But these are units. In cities and towns there are no problems. Even in Lviv.
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 5 March 2013 10: 22
        +1
        Quote: Kohl
        no Russian news


        Not true!!! There is.
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 5 March 2013 11: 08
          +3
          Quote: Vanek
          Not true!!! there is
          What, only on a national scale, tell me? "Ukraine" (starting from Donetsk), "Inter" have long been bilingual, PURE in Russian - what? For me, there are no problems with either Ukrainian or English to the same extent, but the main thing is in the style of presenting facts. An example - recently a 5-episode documentary about the beginning of the war was shown on "Ukraine", the film is beautiful, in Russian, but the presentation of the facts is Rezunovskaya, "The USSR wanted to conquer Europe, but did not manage to attack Germany, Hitler and Stalin are the same bloody dictators, only one deceived the other "- all according to Goebbels' patterns. So you can present a Russophobic message in Russian, but the presentation of the news is like CNN. Foxnews watch. But where, for example, RT in Russian for Ukraine is a question.
          1. Vanek
            Vanek 5 March 2013 11: 20
            +2
            Quote: Kaa
            Which one


            Do I know? I watched the news in Russian, it was enough for me. Well, there, another filmets. But also at home. And then, we were in Odessa for only two weeks. But that was enough. We liked.
            1. Evgeny B.
              Evgeny B. 5 March 2013 16: 46
              +2

              Vanek

              They are cunning, they start to handle children from kindergarten. They impose the language of ukrov as "motherly", and believe me that, over time, they will achieve that the Russians will turn into ukrov. This is a good sneaky move, and Russia does not react to it in any way.
              My daughter just came from school and brought such pearls (this is hot):
              "Our pivnichny susіdi - Russians call Ukraine" Outskirts "," outskirts of Russia " historically "own. Ukraine-Rus and the people are already built by the power and nationality with the help of good news, but about Russia, as the nation and the state, there are no riddles." . "
              Here is an excerpt from Ukrainian propaganda, which is conducted in schools where Russian children are also studying. If Russian parents do not teach their children patriotism (for various, maybe objective reasons), then who will these children grow up, will they consider themselves Russian? And Russia is silent about this. And what will we have at the output?
              It is time to end such connivance, otherwise it will be too late, if not too late.
              The West wants to destroy the Russians with the hands of Russians, isn't that understandable? How much can you pretend that everything is fine? When will it end?
              1. Corneli
                Corneli 5 March 2013 18: 49
                +1
                Hmm, as an option:
                Quote: Eugene B.
                "Our pivnіchnі susіdi - russians call Ukraine" Okraina "," outskirts of Russia ", and I think so for its territory. Wonderful in the whole no one,

                We read the forum, we are looking for similar comments in Russian)))
                P.S. At least in the beginning it’s true, so it’s not so much a lie)))
          2. TRAFFIC
            TRAFFIC 5 March 2013 11: 37
            +3
            The cable operator "Volia" (as if on a national scale) has RTR, ORT, NTV, Ren-TV. In Crimea, on vacation, I also watched Russian channels.
          3. dropout
            dropout 5 March 2013 19: 51
            0
            Quote: Kaa
            But where, for example, RT in Russian for Ukraine is a question


            \ Online. For example, go to the Boar TV and watch. Yes, in our time, if you wish, at least Australia, look.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 5 March 2013 10: 45
        +1
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        Maybe somewhere in the deep gorge of the Carpathian mountains does not take and there is no plate.

        100 km from Kiev and the plate does not take Russian channels. am
        And as for the fact that people "do not know" - everyone knows everything perfectly well, only there are those who are satisfied with this situation, and those who are not satisfied with this situation. And the latter are the majority! As for the cheese, the people were very happy that our "cunning production workers" had been pressed even in Russia. Thanks to this, our quality has increased, and almost everyone began to honestly write the composition on the labels! good
        1. porevith
          porevith 5 March 2013 11: 02
          +3
          do not write nonsense, the plate takes everywhere, you need to tune to the desired satellite.
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 5 March 2013 12: 31
            +3
            Well firstly - do not write!
            Secondly - I would never allow myself to write nonsense on such a reputable site
            Thirdly, the dish was tuned repeatedly, it perfectly picks up three satellites - Amos, Sirius, Hotbird (the latter is Russian). After 2-3 weeks, the signal from the Russian satellite stalls. Here is "no signal" - and that's it! am
            I do not claim, but I suppose that although the Ukrainian villages are dying, the electorate lives there, which is easier to process the brains. And it is in fairly large rural areas that the Russian satellite loses its signal. If dear porevith knows how to fix it - let him write me in a personal. I would appreciate that. But we will not deal with offtopic.
            1. Good man
              Good man 5 March 2013 14: 14
              0
              Quote: Egoza
              Secondly - I would never allow myself to write nonsense on such a reputable site

              Already written and many times ...
              Quote: Egoza
              it is in fairly large rural areas that the Russian satellite loses its signal.

              A satellite cannot lose a signal in some areas. It either broadcasts to these areas or not.
              Quote: Egoza
              After 2-3 weeks, the signal from the Russian satellite stalls. Here is "no signal" - and that's it

              So such satellites in the Russian Federation.
              Quote: Egoza
              And about the fact that people "do not know" - everyone knows everything perfectly well, only there are those who are satisfied with this situation, and those who are not satisfied with this situation. And the latter are the majority!

              This is in what city and region?
              Quote: Egoza
              Regarding the same cheese, people were very happy that our "cunning production workers" had been pressed even in Russia.

              In general, the circus beyond reasonable ... and the same delight of Ukrainians caused the presentation of Gazprom for 7 billion laughing Did you happen to write in Soviet newspapers?
              Quote: Egoza
              Thanks to this, our quality has improved, and almost everyone honestly wrote the composition on the labels!

              Links to the studio.
            2. Corneli
              Corneli 5 March 2013 18: 54
              +3
              I’ll just tell you a terrible military secret !!!
              Did you know that, for example, during the Soviet era (80 years). In my grandmother’s village (80 km from Kiev), the Box caught current 2 channels: the first (and bad) and ATTENTION! UT-1 !!!!! (Channel in Ukrainian. !!!)
              How so?! In the USSR, apparently, spies were sitting on television !!! Gnobili Russian language !!! And the poor villagers were sucked in by the dumb Ukrainian-language channel !!! wassat
            3. biglow
              biglow 5 March 2013 22: 12
              0
              Egoza,
              you need a larger plate itself and everything will work. In all Ukraine there is a reception of Russian channels from a satellite. They can’t drown out their banderlogs for technical reasons
              1. Egoza
                Egoza 6 March 2013 01: 10
                0
                Thank biglow I will try.
        2. georg737577
          georg737577 5 March 2013 14: 30
          +1
          The plate takes ALL Russian channels - throughout Ukraine ...
    2. Corneli
      Corneli 5 March 2013 18: 45
      0
      Some creepy Canadian fantasies (MB I do not live in Kiev? Why do I not see what some "foreign" forum users write about so often? request
  16. nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 5 March 2013 10: 00
    -2
    To what extent, knowing some representatives of x ... x .... diy, I think Putin is doing the right thing, abandoning attempts to argue with those in power in Ukraine.

    And it would be better to invest more money in defense than to give them away to those insatiable in Ukraine. Israel - invested in the army, and = respected.

    Quote: Vanek
    People are friendly, funny. In general, Odessa. Wherever you go, a cafe, a bar, everywhere with a smile.
    = But how else could it be?
    What a live! No, well, call me the options! How?

    It is necessary to invest in OUR - RUSSIANs moving to Russia
    and this is everywhere from Ukraine. Home to themselves, in Russia they are waiting and will provide all the conditions for a good life!
    What are shy? How many Russians have left for the states? And why? - lured people, etc.
    It is necessary to do the opposite. Although it does not seem true to me, life makes adjustments.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 5 March 2013 10: 25
      +20
      I don’t understand something. Why am I a descendant of a soldier who came with Suvorov and took Khadzhibey fortress. By order of Great Catherine, who built the port and city of Odessa, Novorossia (I note, by tsar's decree). must leave the homeland, washed by the blood of my ancestors in all warriors. When this New Russia became an independent Ukraine. It was under the USSR as part of Ukraine and only for administrative reasons. Do not wait.
    2. Polytechnic
      Polytechnic 5 March 2013 15: 31
      +4
      And why should we Russians from our native land in Ukraine should leave for Russia? The fact that we SUDDENLY found ourselves on the other side of the borders does not mean that we are not on our land.
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 5 March 2013 18: 56
        +1
        Quote: Polytechnic
        And why should we Russians from our native land in Ukraine should leave for Russia? The fact that we SUDDENLY found ourselves on the other side of the borders does not mean that we are not on our land.

        PPC !!! And really, what kind of nonsense ?! What, someone drives you ?!)
    3. biglow
      biglow 5 March 2013 22: 09
      +2
      nickname 1 and 2,
      we already live on Russian soil, only this honor is temporarily torn away, but everything will return to normal and Great Russia will be united drinks
  17. radar75
    radar75 5 March 2013 10: 17
    -28
    I have not read a more stupid and unprofessional article. Gentlemen, this is how Goebbels propaganda looks like. I conclude from the posts: it still works. Have a nice day everyone.
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 5 March 2013 10: 21
      +4
      No, you are definitely not from Odessa ........
    2. Patton5
      Patton5 5 March 2013 11: 17
      +7
      Do not be distracted .... accept the infusion of Valerian !!!! And return to the excavations ancient ukry will not wait !!!! wassat
    3. Charon
      Charon 5 March 2013 11: 20
      +3
      As for Goebbels propaganda-this is to the Ukrainian agitation prop. This is where the craftsmen sit.
    4. dmb
      dmb 5 March 2013 14: 09
      +1
      And, you know, I will support you in this case. However, in one you have gone too far. There are also more stupid articles. As for the professionalism of Mr. Starikov, in fact, everything is within the framework of his profession of "agitator, throat-throat, leader". Well, you can't call this collection of slogans a serious analysis of the causes of Russophobia and the definition of ways to combat it. In general, Starikov wrote the third paragraph from the end of the Satya apparently looking out the window, but not looking at the news of Ukraine. Painfully his description is similar to our own guardians of the people. Unfortunately, there is Russophobia in Ukraine and it is gaining momentum. It can be liquidated only in one case, this is when our united people will live in one country, where there will be no place for Yushchenko, Yanukovych, Medvedev or Putin.
  18. S_mirnov
    S_mirnov 5 March 2013 10: 50
    +1
    A very good article, we just need to add that the source of the legitimacy of power in the Russian Federation is the hatred and denigration of the USSR. Propaganda of private property and a market economy, through the humiliation of socialism. For example, we can take the theme of Katyn and the assessment of the merits of Stalin.
  19. porevith
    porevith 5 March 2013 10: 59
    -6
    Is it interesting about Ukrainophobia in Russia, the article will be ???? And since the article Mr. Gno, I’m living in Ukraine, I haven’t noticed any Russophobia, maybe it’s enough to watch Russian channels and come by ourselves and see ???
    1. Charon
      Charon 5 March 2013 11: 23
      +4
      I can write about Ukrainophobia, if I get together.
      For now, I’ll say briefly: ukrinophobia occurs only for those who visit Ukrainian sites or see your historical research. For everyone else, Ukraine is of little interest.
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 5 March 2013 19: 01
        +2
        Quote: Charon
        I can write about Ukrainophobia, if I get together.
        For now, I’ll say briefly: ukrinophobia occurs only for those who visit Ukrainian sites or see your historical research. For everyone else, Ukraine is of little interest.

        And that is why articles on Ukraine, about how everything is bad in Ukraine, and how in Ukraine they hate Russians !!!!
        Charon! YOU ARE GOD OF HUMOR !!!!
        1. Kars
          Kars 5 March 2013 19: 07
          +3
          Quote: Corneli
          , at least once a week, there are articles about Ukraine

          Come on, only today FOUR or FIVE articles.
          You can clearly see how the population of the northern neighbor is brainwashed.
          Although Russia is not interested in the majority of the population.
        2. Charon
          Charon 6 March 2013 14: 40
          +2
          I like to joke. But not in this case.

          Not so many people are so interested in politics to read analytical articles. And how the gas wars stopped, they completely forgot about Ukraine. What to go far? In my family, of the closest 10-15 people in the subject, I am alone.

          They always write about the problems of other countries. Why not write about Ukraine?
          The question is in what way.
          It’s one thing for a person’s analyst for whom Ukraine has the same geographical concept as, for example, Belize or Thailand.
          Those who are really interested in the Ukrainian theme have a completely different attitude. To write about how all is well? So I can quote the Ukrainians themselves, who, as witnesses, write about the problems of Ukraine more fully and brighter. One topic Hyundai is worth.
          Another thing is that they blame not their troubles for themselves, but for Russia. Until the indictment of me personally.
          And what should be my reaction in this case? I laugh at them. And the others? Others develop Ukrainophobia. As conceived by the provocateurs.
          Here is such humor.
    2. gladiatorakz
      gladiatorakz 5 March 2013 12: 38
      +1
      Quote: porevith
      maybe stop watching Russian channels and come by yourself and see ????

      It is much more exciting to sit at the monitor and discuss "evil" Ukrainians!
      People revolve in a certain information field and are increasingly immersed in it! And these people all who do not agree with them call names zombies! laughing
    3. alex13-61
      alex13-61 5 March 2013 13: 39
      +3
      And I seem to live in Russia ... In the cinemas of the Crimea under Yushcha, films in Russian were banned ... Who in Crimea will watch films with Ukrainian voice acting ??? We live according to Lviv time - in the summer it dawns at 3 am ... The officials are all sent then from Bendershtatov, then from Donetsk ... Thank God the "landing forces" from Tetnopol stopped going - they discouraged ...
      1. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 5 March 2013 13: 46
        +1
        Quote: alex13-61
        And I seem to live in Russia ... Films in Russian were banned in the cinemas of the Crimea under Yushche ..

        And what have you personally done so that you are not banned? If you don’t like something, it doesn’t fit, then you should try to change it! And do not whine on the Internet and slop your country.
        But you can live as you like. smile
        1. alex13-61
          alex13-61 6 March 2013 15: 44
          +1
          Personally, I ... I go to work not in Lviv, but in astronomical, i.e. at 6 in the morning ... to the cinema with an interpreter ... I drive Dassantnikov "from Tetnopol" with an old broom ... in short ... everything I can ... I'm kidding, of course ...
          But why, citing specific examples of the stupidest Russophobic laws, do I muddle my country ??? Rather, authors of laws pour mud on it ... or politicians, like Yryny Khfaryon ...
    4. Corneli
      Corneli 5 March 2013 18: 59
      +1
      Oooh ... So normal !!! and an honest question) and the pepper is clear, there are a lot of minuses from not "ukrainophobes"!)))) lol)))
      The feeling that most of the citizens of Russia living here is not interested in how they really .... bloodrussophobia give !!!
  20. nnkfrschk
    nnkfrschk 5 March 2013 11: 01
    +7
    Ukrainian Russophobia is actually not entirely Ukrainian, but Galicia - it grows and spreads mainly on the territory of Western Ukraine, 600 years old, which was cut off from Russia and was part of either Poland or the Austro-Ugric Empire. I don’t remember who the author of the statement “Galicia is a parasite on the body of the Russian Empire, a cancerous tumor ...”, but he was 100% right!
    1. Good man
      Good man 5 March 2013 14: 01
      +1
      Quote: nnkfrschk
      "Galicia is a parasite on the body of the Russian Empire, a cancerous tumor ...

      Galicia was not part of the Republic of Ingushetia .... Historian
    2. Corneli
      Corneli 5 March 2013 19: 10
      +2
      For some reason, it’s not entirely clear to me, many readers of the forum with tricolor don’t know this! (Or it’s easier for them to believe that the Ukrainians are sleeping and see how Russian can do nasty things! (
      1. Charon
        Charon 6 March 2013 14: 44
        0
        Or is it easier for them to believe that the Ukrainians are sleeping and see how Russian can do disgusting things! (

        About all Ukrainians I will not say. But there are a lot of such people and they are very loud. And I don’t believe in such people, I know them. Do you want an example?

        Georgy

        And once again, yes, the maskal is a gene lowered shorter bedding stinking to the bloody executioners of the Kamyunists. The main thing, the rams are beggars, do not see and do not know about that poverty, divorced by the Kamyunists from the 17th and intensified by the geek Stalin. Stalin brought the rotten murder of 60 million citizens of that rotten sisesir for his grave life. World War II was pulled over by the maskals, who were thirsting for "world domination", to that USSR. Hitler had no intention of fighting that seraser. His task was to brutally avenge Germany, brought at Versailles by England and France, to complete hunger, to the birth of haggard German women - children without skin. This even slipped through in Kamyunyak literature. Well, England scooped out all the money and gold reserves from Germany with an indemnity, and the whore France took away the coal and iron ore deposits and the entire sea fleet. Here, of course, Stalin (the truth is true, we did not mask the lying nits in everything and always) helped a friend Hitler with Germany - he drove the whole share of the bread intended for RUSSIA-UKRAINE for food, the European granary, to Germany, leaving 000 RUSSIANS to die - UKRAINIANS, gangster preparing the seizure of Germany in late 000, early 11rd years. Several tens of thousands of simple Russian-German phrasebooks were printed, up to 000 tanks with removable tracks were threatened with rattle, drive to the rear 000-re of the roller, this saplya on a smooth German road shmarted up to 42 km / h, and so on, let the historians further will tell. Having learned the trash from Stalin's "friend", Hitler was very upset, arrested all the Kamyunist informers and spies in Germany, and executed them all in single file on a guillotine, 43 in total. Although Hitler got stuck in Africa, driving out the British from the sucked places, he decided to proactively kick Stalin's best friend in the teeth. And that's all.
        1. Charon
          Charon 6 March 2013 21: 09
          0
          Minus me or quote from the Ukrainian site7
  21. Galinanp
    Galinanp 5 March 2013 11: 12
    +1
    I agree with the article. Exclusively in all newly-formed states in the post-Soviet space, the local elite, established in power, began to create myths aimed at confirming their claims to the assets of this state formation. Well, Russophobia serves as the foundation for development in myth-making.
  22. Natalia
    Natalia 5 March 2013 11: 21
    +2
    “we are going“ to Europe ”and we wanted to spit on Russia, but since we are fraternal peoples, pay us our“ European integration. ”Yeah, you don’t want to, you see, we said that the Russians want to take us over! This is a win-win position . Only now its win-win was based on the potential that Ukraine got from the USSR. And this potential is very quickly exhausted ... "

    This very accurately reflects the thinking of the political elite of Ukraine .... winked
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 5 March 2013 16: 20
      +1
      Quote: Natalia
      you see, we said that the Russians want to capture us!

      Now they are more offended that the Russians do not want to capture them request And without such a threat, they did not rest against the geyrope wassat
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 5 March 2013 19: 13
        +1
        Quote: Ruslan67
        Now they are more offended that the Russians do not want to capture them request

        It somehow doesn’t offend me) Another fairy tale?) wassat
    2. Corneli
      Corneli 5 March 2013 19: 12
      +1
      Quote: Natalia
      then pay us our "European integration"

      How exactly did they demand payment? belay When are you tired of believing in these tales?
  23. Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan 5 March 2013 11: 38
    -1
    120352,
    And buy me? Try it ...
  24. gercog_75
    gercog_75 5 March 2013 11: 45
    +3
    Is it interesting about Ukrainophobia in Russia, the article will be ???? there was no Ukrainophobia in Russia and there isn’t anywhere. we are one people. with Belarusians similarly
  25. The cat
    The cat 5 March 2013 11: 48
    -9
    Another opus from the series "Enemies are all around and all the kazla, and we are cute little pieces"
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 5 March 2013 16: 21
      +2
      Quote: Elgato

      The cat

      When will we wash the third skull? wassat
  26. Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 5 March 2013 11: 49
    +1
    Ukraine's economic losses are impressive. We see rich people. Russia's interests are moving southwest towards new markets and opportunities. A "gap" is being cut in the European Union through Greece and Cyprus, assets are being bought, and transport is being built. Ukraine with us? Then let's take it south.
    1. gladiatorakz
      gladiatorakz 5 March 2013 13: 13
      0
      Quote: Dmitry 2246
      Ukraine's economic losses are impressive. We see rich people. Russia's interests are moving southwest towards new markets and opportunities. A "gap" is being cut in the European Union through Greece and Cyprus, assets are being bought, and transport is being built.

      How happy you are for the successes of your oligarchs !!! Do you support Chelsea? A primordially Russian club.
      1. Dmitry 2246
        Dmitry 2246 5 March 2013 13: 41
        +3
        I am happy for Russia. Transport, communications, educated people are the success of any undertaking. Pay attention: my pension, as a disabled war veteran, was raised after the Nord Stream was put into operation. The pipeline is the most powerful transport in the world. But this is transport and cash flows to our country. This is the meaning of new markets and the creation of a Mediterranean squadron that will ensure Russia's economic interests.
        I am a fan of the local village team.
        "Toad" - does not torment. This kind of pride is sin.
        Understanding that once again they fly by raging.
        1. gladiatorakz
          gladiatorakz 5 March 2013 13: 53
          0
          Quote: Dmitry 2246
          I am happy for Russia.

          When something happens that makes it possible to live better, I am also happy for Russia. The same is for Ukraine.

          Quote: Dmitry 2246
          "Toad" - does not torment. This kind of pride is sin.
          Understanding that once again they fly by raging.

          What nonsense. 1. No one flies anywhere. 2. Are Ukrainians furious? laughing yes you read the comments on the site. Whose more vicious Russians or Ukrainians? Read yours too. 3. about the "toad" is the same. 4. What pride have you brought? Where have you heard this expression and did not know where to apply it? laughing
          Success to your village team. Sincerely.
          1. Dmitry 2246
            Dmitry 2246 5 March 2013 20: 43
            +2
            In 92, from my brothers-in-arms leaving home to Ukraine, I heard enough of who I am, who is Russia, where they saw us, what they will do to us, and how "they" will live without us. All these moral monsters received a pension in Russia, returned a year later. And they poured mud on the self-styled one, which also caused disgust, hence the pride - I did not quote the words that were spoken to me. (I'm not lying to me.)
            And my futsal team took first place in the "local" first league and advanced to the top "local" league.
      2. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 5 March 2013 16: 22
        +3
        Quote: gladiatorakz
        Do you support Chelsea? A primordially Russian club.

        Chukchi laughing
  27. Larus
    Larus 5 March 2013 11: 50
    +2
    Naturally, there will always be those who will sell their roots for 30 coins and will shout what they say to him. And we already buy "Siberians" and soon they will be paid for the congresses in the same way as they were paid for "Ukrainians" in those distant years.
  28. Mefodiy
    Mefodiy 5 March 2013 11: 55
    -8
    If a Russian loves Russia, he is a patriot. If a Ukrainian loves Ukraine, he is a terry Bandera nationalist.
    * If a Russian says "x ... l" - he kindly sneers at the representative of the fraternal people. If a Ukrainian says "b", he thereby reveals his nationalist, anti-Russian essence.
    * If a Russian rally - he defends his interests. If a Ukrainian is rallying, he will work off American money paid to him for anti-Russian purposes.
    * If the Russian president communicates with the American president, he builds relations between the two countries. If the Ukrainian president communicates with the American president, they both weave an anti-Russian conspiracy.
    * If Russian speaks Russian, it is simply Russian. If a Ukrainian speaks the Ukrainian language, he is Petliura unfinished.
    * If the president of Russia declares pro-Russian slogans, this is a normal president. If the president of Ukraine declares pro-Ukrainian slogans - he is a pro-American and anti-Russian president.
    1. Larus
      Larus 5 March 2013 12: 45
      +2
      And where does the ..hol and the Ukrainian then ??
      We have rally paid liberals!
      It’s not setting up, but losing ground!
      and about the language, are you talking about Ukrainian as a dialect of Russian, or Galician surzhik, where are only prepositions from Ukrainian?
      I haven’t declared anything pro-Russian for a long time, and populism is not that. How much land was given to different neighbors, it’s supposed to sit for it, and not be the premiere prime minister.
      PS By the way, I myself live on the outskirts of Russia, but I won’t become a Ukrainian either, and my Bryansk region, too, and we didn’t go to Moscow every weekend and had an excellent relationship with everyone and understood each other until what happened and they cut us off their brothers.
    2. gladiatorakz
      gladiatorakz 5 March 2013 13: 18
      +1
      Quote: Mefodiy
      If a Russian loves Russia, he is a patriot. If a Ukrainian loves Ukraine, he is a terry Bandera nationalist.

      Is very similar. laughing This position is being developed on this site. But I hope there are still thinking people. Not a TV, but a head!
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 5 March 2013 19: 19
        +3
        There are thinkers, only they rarely write in such articles (Unlike those who are blinded or paid, you should decide who
    3. Misantrop
      Misantrop 5 March 2013 13: 44
      +6
      Quote: Mefodiy
      If a Ukrainian speaks the Ukrainian language, he is Petliura unfinished.
      And at all he is not Petlyura, an ordinary suburbs .... nickname. For the right Ukrainian speaks Zapadensky surzhik (in which, in addition to the name, almost nothing Ukrainian remains)
      Quote: Mefodiy
      If a Ukrainian loves Ukraine, he is a terry Bandera nationalist.
      Does he love his country if he diligently tries to put it under those who for centuries have seen only prey in Ukraine and speaking cattle in the population? Who cripples his own language only so that it does not resemble the one his ancestors spoke? recourse
      1. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 5 March 2013 13: 59
        -2
        Quote: Misantrop
        Does he love his country if he diligently tries to put it under those who for centuries have seen only prey in Ukraine and speaking cattle in the population? Who cripples his own language only so that it does not resemble the one his ancestors spoke?

        Misanthrope, I don’t recognize you. Usually your comments are less emotional and more reasoned. smile
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 5 March 2013 14: 19
          +5
          Quote: gladiatorakz
          Usually your comments are less emotional and more reasoned.
          Everything is very simple: under the cries of love for the independent Ukrainian state all these years Crimea has ONLY been robbed. Moreover - regardless of who is in power - Kravchuk, Kuchma, orange or white and blue. And all these "civilized Europeans" were seen in Crimea with my own eyes my closest relatives. Moreover, some of them are still alive, so they can quite compare ...
          1. gladiatorakz
            gladiatorakz 5 March 2013 20: 13
            +1
            Quote: Misantrop
            Everything is very simple: under the cries of love for an independent Ukrainian state all these years Crimea is ONLY robbed. And - regardless of who is in power - Kravchuk, Kuchma, orange or blue and white.

            This happens throughout the Union. Except Belarus!
            Again, dislike for Europeans should not be expressed in contempt for Ukraine.
    4. xan
      xan 5 March 2013 14: 02
      -1
      Mefodiy,
      it remains to figure out whether this is Ukrainian, and whether these are Ukrainian interests
    5. Setrac
      Setrac 5 March 2013 15: 27
      0
      Dear Mefodiy, this is not the first time you have posted this site. What does the Ukrainian call Russian? Analogue x..lu .. - k ... n and bul..ash, and no one is offended, these words are not curses.
      Why does the site administration allow itself to insert its phrases into messages on behalf of me (or other visitors), for example, the phrase "I am a Nazi muzzle", which moderator is this brilliant idea?
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 5 March 2013 19: 23
        +2
        Quote: Setrac
        What does the Ukrainian call Russian? The analogue of hoax is katsap and bulbash, and no one is offended, these words are not swear words.

        ka.ts.a.p - a term from "zapadentsev" - means pro-Russian, Russian-speaking residents of Ukraine
        bulbash - bellorus
        m.s.c.k.a.l.b - and this is Russian)
        Again, all the terms are used by the inhabitants of western Ukraine, in Kiev, I heard this a matter of times (and it’s clear where it came from)
    6. Corneli
      Corneli 5 March 2013 19: 17
      0
      -7 ... Really colitis eyes? Or "Ukrainophobia" - what are you talking about?
    7. anton107798
      anton107798 5 March 2013 20: 04
      -3
      completely for!
      to read so we are finished people and only a great empire (all with a small letter because it has not been great for a long time) can help and only she knows what to do to a poor Ukrainian.
      Calling us Nazis, without noticing it, they behave worse than the Nazis! No, I do not want such "BROTHERLY" neighbors, you do not even think about brotherhood, you think how to crush, break and humiliate. Nothing more!
  29. Opera
    Opera 5 March 2013 11: 56
    +14
    About Ukrainophobia in Russia ... At one time in Russia there was also some kind of holiday, some kind of independence. So, he was not taken seriously, on the contrary, everyone laughed and said - what kind of independence are we celebrating, Russia from Ukraine or something ?! After that, they all drank together, including for their homeland, which in their thoughts somehow was not shared by anyone! Our team then (in Mura) was purely Russian - Ukrainian! And now there is nothing like that in the Ukrainian media in Russia! In Ukraine, Ukrainians were never perceived not only as something hostile, but also as ABROAD and never will be! Zapadentsy does not count.
  30. spy master
    spy master 5 March 2013 12: 26
    +4
    They fool Ukrainians - foreign intelligence has done a very good job.
    There, mainly the western part is torn to Europe, because just like the authorities, they are either corrupt, or thieves, or stupefied by Western pseudo-freedoms.
    But the majority of the population, on the contrary, is for Russia ... I have heard phrases like "we would like your Putin" many times.
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 5 March 2013 19: 26
      +2
      Quote: spymaster
      There, mainly the western part is torn to Europe, because just like the authorities, they are either corrupt, or thieves, or stupefied by Western pseudo-freedoms.
      But the majority of the population, on the contrary, is for Russia ... I have heard phrases like "we would like your Putin" many times.

      This is much more like the truth .... But why in Russia they do not believe this? Or what special services are stirring up your water there and why?
  31. gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 5 March 2013 13: 05
    -5
    The impression that the article was not written by Starikov. He seems to be smarter. There is also a narrow-minded incompleteness in every phrase. It's time to write about Russian Ukrainophobia. The opinion has become popular that Ukraine means a patriot !! Only real patriots are unlikely to be led to such nonsense. One of the main problems of Russia is that by switching people's attention and negative emotions to imaginary foreign threats, internal problems are forgotten. There are many of them. Through the media the thought was suggested that if you do not agree with Putin, then you are 1. a traitor. 2. "swamp scum" 3. grant eater. Those. 1. Putin is not sinful 2. Thinking is no longer necessary! Putin thought for you. 3. If you continue to have your excellent opinion, then read above. It's sad from this. People have stopped reading, playing chess, and now they are also thinking. What is the future of a country with a non-thinking population? Merry! They can explain all the IMPORTANCE of changing the militia to the police (the police used to hang partisans, they will soon start again), state importance !! Serdyukov, the danger of Kvachkov, Khabarov, Trekhlebov, Rokhlin, Troshev, the strategic necessity of migration of Caucasians and Asians, the "Russophobia" of Ukrainians. And this is not the future - this is the present !!! The future is being built now !!!
    1. washi
      washi 5 March 2013 13: 44
      +3
      Putin is not a saint. Everyone in life has and will have mistakes
      Brains are always needed, otherwise even bread isn’t enough
      I agree. The stupefaction of the people has been going on since the 90s, is going on and will go on, if not to resist. It used to be like "censorship". The people wade through this jungle, which educated the brain, and made their own conclusions. Now everything is ready: the authorities - the military - are stupid, the cops and prosecutors are all corrupt, America and the West are a dream.
      In the late 90s, I talked with students. They did not know who was in the government, in the parliament, when they heard Koffi Annen on the radio and learned from me that this is a real person laughing for a long time.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 5 March 2013 13: 50
      +4
      Quote: gladiatorakz
      switching attention and negative emotions of people to imaginary foreign threats

      The planned production of shale gas in the Donetsk region, which threatens not only to destroy the ecology of the whole region, but also completely destroy the coal industry, which is going through hard times (all rubbish will trample in the mines first thing) and simultaneously make the whole region unemployed, is indeed IMAGINARY THREAT? recourse
    3. Corneli
      Corneli 5 March 2013 19: 30
      0
      We look at the difference between Ukraine and Russia (more precisely, on presidents and how they relate to them)
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U36p_ve2QmY
      Russian version
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDm1tIoRu5g
      Ukrainian version
  32. Good man
    Good man 5 March 2013 13: 55
    +2
    Ahahahaha Russians need their own state, but Ukrainians do not need their own state. And if a Ukrainian wants to live like a Russian in his state, then he is a Russophobe and a Bandera. The logic of kindergarten laughing
    Well, an article as a background brainwashing of growing Russians will be ukroinophobic, but for an adult thinking person this is bullshit.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 5 March 2013 14: 21
      +6
      Quote: Good man
      Ahahahaha Russians need their own state, but Ukrainians do not need their own state

      Laughed? And now let me know WHEN in the last five hundred years the Russians had their own state? It was his own, and not the general, in which the Russians got exclusively the role of a nanny and a nurse?
      1. Good man
        Good man 5 March 2013 16: 45
        0
        Quote: Misantrop
        And now let me know WHEN in the last five hundred years the Russians had their own state? It was his own, and not the general, in which the Russians got exclusively the role of a nanny and a nurse?

        The Russian Empire was called.
        Well you go to the Caucasus and the Tatars laughing
        And about the nurse, you are absolutely right. When the European powers squeezed everything out of their colonies for the wealth of the metropolises. In the Republic of Ingushetia everyone was squeezed out of Russians and Ukrainians for the sake of Poles, Finns, and other Caucasian princes. In RI, Orthodox Slavs were in the role of half-slaves, but no other people in RI had enslavement. Even the same Jews were never serfs. And Finns with Poles already even had their own constitutions with all rights. And only Russian men were traded in RI as cattle. Such is the paradox. But nevertheless, it was a Russian state. And the Russian Federation, too, is still more Russian than any other. A common state can be called both the Horde and the Roman Empire ...
  33. taseka
    taseka 5 March 2013 14: 13
    +3
    Sly oligarchs bought for US dollars are leading Ukraine - they don’t care about the people and their aspirations, their eyes are overshadowed by the golden god! But the people are the most wisdom and they will throw off the yoke of grabbers and Ukraine will become near Russia - shoulder to shoulder !!!
  34. washi
    washi 5 March 2013 14: 20
    +2
    I agree that all former republics rewrite history. Including the RSFSR.
  35. Natalia
    Natalia 5 March 2013 14: 42
    +2
    What do you want......
    It’s just that not all Ukrainian citizens perceive this article as criticism of the ruling elite of Ukraine, but perceive it at their own expense ....
    Of course, I don’t really like some of the manners of the Ukrainian rulers, but of course the article is somewhat (in fairness to say) a bit provocative ....
    Here, as a rule, you have to write that: "The ruling elite in Ukraine are scoundrels! And the Ukrainian people are good guys (girls)!"
    So about the fact that the ruling elite in Ukraine - the villains wrote, but about the fact that the Ukrainian people were not in the chapels they forgot to write ..... here actually arose, again, the conflict and heated debate on the site .....
    In principle, why are some Ukrainians so categorical here, I can understand .....
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 5 March 2013 14: 50
      +2
      Well, of course, there is a certain Russophobia among a number of Ukrainian politicians, but again ....... this negative energy comes from politicians, not from the people. Heroization of Nazi collaborators, this was basically done with Yusch’s handout ..... there are certain forces that really are a source of Russophobia, but not all, and again ..... they forgot to write about it, which actually caused anger representatives of the Ukrainian side .... I do not condone them, mmmm but I also can’t condemn them ...... for our already not simple relations, the article is difficult for the perception of the Ukrainian inhabitant ........
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 5 March 2013 15: 01
        +3
        Not well, all the same, we’re approaching the topic a little bit ..... Ukraine (like many others) came under American influence in the early 90s, and an echo of this influence is still heard ......
        ..... But again, here in the article, it is presented as if it was the fault of the Ukrainians themselves .....
        There is a tendency: (in the discussion of this article)
        We scold them (Ukrainians)
        They are offended
        We scold them for the fact that they are offended by the fact that we scold them.
        ..... like a reaction more than natural ......
        I don’t know if I wouldn’t pour oil into the fire ..............

        I’m not a pro-Ukrainian, I’m Russian ..... but I just feel sorry for watching them stomp here ...
  36. georg737577
    georg737577 5 March 2013 14: 57
    +3
    In fact;
    1. Article - ovno (ordered) 2. If I come across materials that provoke "Russophobia" among the inhabitants of Ukraine, then this article is an excellent example. 3. I have not watched television at all for many years - I think that most normal people also prefer interactive technologies, and not "zombie" for the weak-minded. If the inhabitants of Russia want to see Ukraine as a good neighbor, and in one of the perspectives - part of a hypothetical "New Union", then the first thing they should do is to stop writing such libels and stop believing in this nonsense. By occupation, I have to travel all over the territory of Ukraine, communicate with a variety of people - I never meet "Russophobia" ... 4. A small number of geeks sowing discord and discord between peoples are in every country (approximately in the same proportion) - such as the author of this article. It is not good for normal people to judge a whole nation by the example of such
    1. Luna
      Luna 5 March 2013 16: 05
      +1
      By occupation, I have to travel all over Ukraine, communicate with a variety of people - I don't meet "Russophobia" anywhere ...

      Agree. My son went to Slavske for skiing on New Year's holidays and was in Lviv on January 2. This is not January 1 (DR Bandera), of course, but still ...
      But, if you, me or my son met with hamadrils like Ilyenko, etc., you would drown in Russophobia. I hope you won't argue here. The fact that our "paths" do not intersect with such is a matter of chance.

      Starikov does not write personally about you and others like you, but uses the words "power", "official Kiev", etc. everywhere, so it is not clear why many people here project the article onto themselves.
      Of course, Starikov hasn't lifted anyone's eyelids HERE, but his resource is mostly visited by those who are rarely interested in Ukraine and for them his "revelations" are very informative.

      PS I remembered about Russophobia.
      In August I was in Kiev visiting friends. We arrived at the station on business ..... the men left, I was alone in the car .... a car with Ukrainian license plates and two flags on the panel (I don’t know what it is called) - Ukrainian and Russian. Something feminine approaches about 35 years old and asks in a vile voice
      - What do you have for the ensign?

      I answer no less vile:
      -Japanese.

      We look at each other's angles at point blank range and it mumbles to me:
      -Japanese high will be at Japanii, and then Ukrainian.

      Well, here I really "punched" her tolerantly feel
      1. Skavron
        Skavron 5 March 2013 17: 15
        +2
        Come on...
        I climbed around Kiev in a T-shirt with the inscription "Made in the USSR" and no one said anything)
        But I, on the other hand, can remember the Stavropol traffic cops, who doklepalsya to us out of the blue, and then openly admitted that "a good x-o-x-o-l - this is the one who was thrown into the grandmother." So they say guys share ...
        1. Luna
          Luna 5 March 2013 17: 49
          +2
          Would you like to convict me of a lie?
          You really made in the USSR wink , like Something that attached to me in Kiev. Now hostility is no longer caused by the USSR, but by Russia.

          ......... And for some reason it seems to me that "" a good x-o-x-o-l - this is the one who was thrown into the dough "sounds much better than" good m-o-s -k-a-l-l is a dead m-o-s-k-a-l-b. "
          How cars with Russian license plates are bred into the headstocks of the DIA. This is a separate song.

          By the way, in Kiev we constantly visit former colleagues, so the older their son gets, the stronger Russophobia. Although the father’s brother lives in St. Petersburg and the mother of the Belarusian.
          But I am not inclined to blame everyone for Russophobia or Ukrainophobia, cockroaches in my head are found on both sides of the border.
          Neither in Kharkov, nor in Belgorod, no one reacts to the flags, but Kiev was not surprised. smile
          1. Skavron
            Skavron 5 March 2013 18: 25
            +1
            I’ll say more ... I have a lot of partners in western Ukraine, I speak Russian completely, and they speak Ukrainian with me ... we meet, we drink beer and coffee.
            And my favorite from the western ...
            And the fact that you came across some kind of cattle, then you just were not lucky ... Yes, there are individuals on this site (we will not point fingers) who believe that there should not be such a state "Ukraine", and people " Ukrainian "too.
            Should I call them "something" or "it" too?
            P / S Correctly everything was written by comrade georg737577
            1. Luna
              Luna 5 March 2013 19: 05
              +3
              I have nothing against the Ukrainian language and cannot have it, since I was born and raised in Ukraine and my parents are Ukrainian. The fact that this issue has become painful is the "merit" of the Ukrainian authorities, regardless of who headed it. The language was elevated to the marker "friend or foe", and this is already a problem.

              Here on this site there are individuals (we will not point the finger) who believe that there should not be such a "Ukraine" state, and the "Ukrainian" people too.
              Should I call them "something" or "it" too?

              In real life, people do not always tell you what they write about on the Internet.
              Therefore, I share the Internet and life. In the internet you can leave the resource and forget, but in life you can’t get away from such people.


              1. Skavron
                Skavron 5 March 2013 21: 31
                -1
                Quote: Luna
                Not always people in real life will tell you what they write about on the Internet.

                Yah? Well then, if everything is possible on the Internet, then let's turn to the site administration with a request not to ban anyone and correct words ...
                1. Luna
                  Luna 5 March 2013 21: 51
                  +2
                  For several years I visited one respected and rather well-known resource, but in the end I left, because everything was possible there on the thread about Ukraine in the last year. In comparison with him, here is just an institution of noble girls.
                  Everything is relative.
                  1. Skavron
                    Skavron 5 March 2013 23: 17
                    0
                    you only confirm my words ...
                    1. Luna
                      Luna 5 March 2013 23: 56
                      +1
                      Walk on ukrosayta with off-scale poison in the direction of Russia and contact the administration there.
                      I do not know a single one where this poison was suppressed. Even the moderate type "2000".
                      1. Skavron
                        Skavron 6 March 2013 00: 39
                        -2
                        2000 is not a moderate one, it is a stupidly pro-Russian site ... or rather a newspaper. By the way, I have been writing out and sometimes commenting on the Internet version under the same nickname.
                        Name at least one more all-Ukrainian news resource so that I would not bother the admins of all sites.
                      2. Luna
                        Luna 6 March 2013 16: 38
                        +1
                        That is why I pointed to "2000" because it is like pro-Russian. Although there sometimes such "pearls" are found ... well at least they drove Mikhailenko. So there they write to whom that on the Bandera mind will climb.

                        Name at least one more all-Ukrainian news resource so that I would not bother the admins of all sites.

                        I am on "trash heaps" such as Censor, UP has long ceased to go, I try to visit more or less, if it is applicable to UroSMI in relation to Russia.
                        Go to Glavkom, Glavred, Left Bank, Mirror of the week and even Today, etc.
                        On the first three, not only comments, but also articles are the same. V. Portnikov and O. Yakhno are especially trying.
                        Have you ever been to FOR-UA forums?

                        Visit the Fleet 2017 - a very controversial site and they write about Russia there much more often than here about Ukraine. True, something happened to him in January. Previously, the last minutes of the Black Sea Fleet's stay at Nenka were counted on this site.
            2. biglow
              biglow 5 March 2013 22: 03
              0
              Skavron,
              exactly this is what I remain of my opinion, there is no such country, one name negative
              1. Skavron
                Skavron 5 March 2013 23: 17
                -2
                biglow,
                I recommend that you leave the country "without a name"
                1. biglow
                  biglow 6 March 2013 12: 31
                  +1
                  Skavron,
                  I live on Russian soil, and I’m not going to leave anywhere. There is malorosiya and novorosiya as part of great Russia, and nothing more.
          2. Corneli
            Corneli 5 March 2013 19: 35
            +3
            Here I read and already interesting.
            It will get warmer with a specialist and I'll buy a t-shirt with a tricolor and take a walk around Kiev ... what if they get me in the face for this?)
      2. Mefodiy
        Mefodiy 6 March 2013 10: 55
        +1
        Alas .. The family is not without ... but .....
    2. Corneli
      Corneli 5 March 2013 19: 34
      0
      Fiercely plus!
  37. Skavron
    Skavron 5 March 2013 15: 28
    -2
    the author of old men ... it makes no sense to read ...
  38. spy master
    spy master 8 March 2013 17: 58
    0
    Quote: Corneli
    This is much more like the truth .... But why in Russia they do not believe this? Or what special services are stirring up your water there and why?

    Unfortunately, our special services simply do not reach Ukraine - either there is not enough money and time, or if there is no desire — it’s still sadly ... and having brotherly people, as it was before the start of Yushchenko’s reign, this would be a huge plus not only in domestic but also in foreign policy.
  39. spy master
    spy master 8 March 2013 18: 00
    0
    Quote: Corneli
    Quote: spymaster There, mainly the western part of Europe is torn, because just like the authorities are either corrupt, or thieves, or intoxicated by Western pseudo-freedoms. But the majority of the population, on the contrary, for Russia ... I have heard phrases like "we would like your Putin ". This is much more like the truth .... But why in Russia do not believe this? Or what kind of special services are muddying the waters there and why?

    Unfortunately, our special services simply do not reach Ukraine - either there is not enough money and time, or if there is no desire — it’s still sadly ... and having brotherly people, as it was before the start of Yushchenko’s reign, this would be a huge plus not only in domestic but also in foreign policy, and for both states.
  40. spy master
    spy master 8 March 2013 18: 02
    0
    Quote: Corneli
    This is much more like the truth .... But why in Russia they do not believe this? Or what special services are stirring up your water there and why?

    Unfortunately, our special services simply do not reach Ukraine - either there is not enough money and time, or if there is no desire — it’s still sadly ... and having brotherly people, as it was before the start of Yushchenko’s reign, this would be a huge plus not only in domestic but also in foreign policy, and for both states.