Scary Again: The West Has Declined to Strike Deep into Russia

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Scary Again: The West Has Declined to Strike Deep into Russia


No red lines


When the Supreme gets publicly involved in the course of a special operation, everything usually goes according to his script. Especially when it concerns Western countries that are overly interested in the fate of the Kyiv regime. There have been many precedents, but three have become the most memorable.



The first was when Vladimir Putin warned at the very beginning of the SVO about fatal consequences for countries that tried to directly interfere in the course of events. The second was when he ordered nuclear force exercises in response to NATO attempts to introduce its forces into Ukraine. In both cases, the hotheads in the West cooled down and abandoned their intentions. And not only abandoned, but even stopped talking about it. Macron, for example, completely forgot about his recent desire to send legionnaires to Ukraine. And now the third public intervention by the president has effectively cancelled another attempt by the West to escalate the course of the special operation to the limit.

On the eve of the meeting between the Englishman Keir Starmer and the American Joe Biden on the fate of the strikes rockets deep into Russia, Putin announced a significant change in the essence of the military conflict in the event of a positive decision. By allowing such strikes, NATO is directly involved in the conflict in Ukraine with all the ensuing consequences. Targeting and, most importantly, preparing missiles for launch are carried out by specialists of the North Atlantic Alliance. They do not necessarily have to be in Ukraine for this - remote access allows, for example, Storm Shadow / Scalp to be guided from anywhere in the world. Detailed intelligence information supplied to the Kyiv regime ensures highly accurate selection of critical targets inside Russia. Approximately according to this scenario, the Ukrainian Armed Forces invaded the Kursk region. NATO satellites supplied Syrsky's General Staff with information in real time, and the Banderites only had to choose the time and place. However, even at the stage of operational and tactical planning, the enemy could not do without Western command assistance.


The principles of Western involvement in military operations, which the Russian president speaks of, are a real discovery of our time. Strictly speaking, throughout the 20th century, the USSR and the United States fought each other in one way or another. Only through their proxies. They can be listed for a long time - Iran, Iraq, Israel, Egypt, Syria, African countries. But with reservations. First, missiles and bombs did not fall on the territory of the USSR and the USA. Second, the quality and efficiency of the supplied weapons and intelligence information have never led to a critical imbalance of forces. The level of modern means of fire destruction and reconnaissance is such that even the seemingly indirect inclusion of third forces leads to a serious aggravation of the situation. Especially when the Armed Forces of Ukraine use openly terrorist methods.

The response to Vladimir Putin's warning was quite swift. First, Keir Starmer made it clear that the UN General Assembly on September 22 would not be given permission for the Storm Shadow/Scalp strikes. It sounded like this:

"That's why we provide training and opportunities. And you know, it's clear that further discussions are needed about the nature of those opportunities."

Although before that, the UK almost directly announced the upcoming agreement. Maybe they were testing the reaction of our Supreme Commander-in-Chief? Then Western publications with some exclusive sources began to disperse the "betrayal". Suddenly it turned out that the Ukrainian Armed Forces did not have many of those same Storm Shadow / Scalp, and in general they would not have any effect on the battlefield. If everything was so sour, why did Zelensky so persistently ask NATO about it? He even removed Kuleba from the leadership of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs for his inability to persuade the Western leaders.

Compensation for fright


There are already some leaks in Ukraine that actually declare strikes with precision missiles deep into Russian territory pointless. The logic is roughly as follows. The Storm Shadows that Ukraine has fly no more than 250 km. There are also versions with a range of 560 km, but the enemy does not have such products yet. The Ukrainian Armed Forces can only launch Storms from aircraft, which means they are not able to get close to the Russian border – Defense will inevitably knock both the carrier and the missile to the ground. Therefore, they will operate from a distance of several dozen kilometers from the contact line, which will reduce the range to the target. However, even in this case, Voronezh, Lipetsk, Rostov-on-Don, Orel, Bryansk and Kursk will be in the kill zone.

In Ukraine, they rightly considered that for a truly effective strike deep into Russian territory, it would be necessary to launch several dozen Storm Shadows. Otherwise, it would not be possible to bypass and suppress the air defense. It was precisely by mass that the Ukrainian Armed Forces recently tried to overload the air defense, launching at least 150 Storm Shadows into nine regions of Russia. drones. This is where the version about the acute shortage of cruise missiles in Ukraine came from. But the sources forget about the drones that can be launched simultaneously with the "Storms" - they are quite suitable for overloading the air defense. And in general, all the calming reports for us in Ukraine and the West should be taken very carefully. Everyone remembers how Zelensky shed a tear about several brigades standing in the rear without weapons. And then these same brigades entered the Kursk region. Therefore, the enemy's rhetoric, if it should affect anyone, is its own Banderites.

Another one "news" in Ukraine and the West, the withdrawal of Russian troops from the border area has become a trend. They say that aircraft have long been operating from airfields outside the reach of Storm Shadow with ATACMS, and headquarters have been moved further away. It is difficult to comment on this, but if this is really the case, then we can only be happy for our military. For the Ukrainian Armed Forces, this is a weak excuse - they have repeatedly confirmed that their targets do not necessarily have to be military. Residential buildings, schools, hospitals and kindergartens will do.


If the information about the extension of the ban on precision weapons strikes deep into Russia is confirmed, we should not relax. This is definitely not a victory. The special operation was sliding into a global conflict, and now it has only been postponed. We hope forever, but this is far from certain. The West, imbued with Vladimir Putin's reaction, will inevitably try to sweeten the bitter pill for Zelensky. With what?

First of all, by deliveries of “defensive” weapons, that is, air defense systems. Poland’s Tusk has already announced new, larger-scale deliveries of equipment of this type. The second possible option would be to expand the deliveries of these very missiles, which Zelensky dreams of using to strike Russian cities. Only the target designation will be the same – new regions of Russia and Crimea. Incidentally, it is precisely by using the example of Crimea, which the Banderites fired at with cruise and ballistic missiles, that commentators in the West are trying to explain the senselessness of strikes deep into Russia. The terrorist strikes did not lead to any strategic change in the situation in the Crimean direction. They also failed to cut off traditional military logistics routes on the peninsula. And if so, why repeat the same thing on other sections of the front? But for the sake of appearances, the West will still allow new missile strikes on Crimea. So that the hearts of the remaining Banderites in Ukraine will beat faster.

If you look at the situation from the outside, you get the feeling that few people in Russia want to fight NATO. This is absolutely true and understandable, but it turns out that in the West there are even fewer people willing to fight Russia. This is perhaps the most important conclusion from the whole stories with long-range missiles.
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  1. +9
    16 September 2024 04: 39
    When the Supreme Commander publicly becomes involved in the course of a special operation, everything usually goes according to his script.

    So let him turn on more often, and not trust the switch handle to Peskov and Medvedev.
    If the warnings had been followed by those same mirror responses, and immediately, without delay (perhaps even preemptively), then American drones would not have transmitted data to those who did not need it, and Western publications (media) would not have sought to be the first to pour a bucket of dirt on Russia.
    1. +5
      16 September 2024 07: 12
      Quote: ROSS 42
      So let it turn on more often

      He has no time. He needs to run the country. We'll be lost without him!

      . usually everything goes according to his script

      So let's drink to the fact that there will be less unusual things in our lives. And our guide always started!
      1. +6
        16 September 2024 08: 18
        The only bad thing is that the SVO is not going according to his scenario at all.
        1. +3
          16 September 2024 08: 53
          Well, the script isn't his... He was given a task, and he carries it out - isolating the country and turning it into a ghetto...
          1. -1
            26 September 2024 02: 10
            So far, only Ukraine is becoming a ghetto, which is becoming increasingly boring for everyone. And Russia is no longer in the isolation it was in 2022. In military terms, Ukraine is castrated.
        2. -1
          16 September 2024 11: 38
          What if it's the other way around? That's what's scary.
          1. AAK
            -2
            16 September 2024 15: 36
            So the task of isolating and turning into a ghetto concerns our country specifically, which is really scary, since it is starting to be implemented... from the real impotence and vaginal chatter of our VPR, the teeth are really starting to ache, the passionaries are already running out (as evidenced by the doubling of the amounts paid when concluding a contract and simply an explosive growth in advertising for contract service on TV and in the media), well, and with the announcement of another mobilization (and without it there is no way to reach at least Kharkov, Sumy, Poltava, Chernigov, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev and Odessa) the almost million-strong forced march of 2022 through Verkhniy Lars will seem like a piece of cake...
            1. BAI
              +1
              16 September 2024 17: 25
              Well, if another mobilization is announced (and without it there is no way to reach at least Kharkov, Sumy, Poltava, Chernigov, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev and Odessa), the almost million-strong forced march in 2022 through Verkhniy Lars will seem like a piece of cake...

              Today they just announced an increase in the army's size by 200.
              let's look at the forecast
            2. -1
              16 September 2024 19: 06
              That's what I wrote about the Russian Federation... smile
            3. -1
              26 September 2024 02: 10
              So far, only Ukraine is becoming a ghetto, which is becoming increasingly boring for everyone. And Russia is no longer in the isolation it was in 2022. In military terms, Ukraine is castrated.
        3. -2
          16 September 2024 12: 50
          I'm not sure. Or maybe this is his script?
  2. +19
    16 September 2024 04: 57
    Yeah, they got scared, before that they pissed on all the red lines, and now they suddenly got scared. I don't believe it, they will soon strike. And only the decisive will of our chess player can prevent this, but for now everything is complicated!
    1. +24
      16 September 2024 06: 12
      The grandmaster publicly got involved, and everything went as it should? I saw how he publicly "turned on" one responsible intelligence officer at the Security Council in February 2022. And what was the plan? And why should NATO get involved in this war? They need to maintain it at the current level. So that both sides bleed. The question is not that they were supposedly scared, but that it suits them. The current sluggish schizophrenia.
      1. +1
        16 September 2024 18: 30
        Yes, I remember that too.
    2. +2
      16 September 2024 12: 50
      It seems that this is exactly what the chess player is trying to achieve.
  3. +34
    16 September 2024 04: 59
    How can you not respect the president? The man just spoke and that's it, everyone around was instantly scared, Biden drank carvalol all evening, Scholz was losing the last of his hair, Zelensky was crying into his pillow all night, the British are already digging bunkers, and the French are booking tickets to heaven. And judging by the number of exercises recently, our strategic forces must be just super. In general, 87% voted for good reason, of course, everything is very nice here, but let's return to our reality .... Reality is somewhat prosaic, and of course this is not the back alleys of St. Petersburg, here they can hit you on the ears. And out of banal fear, when at the beginning of the conflict NATO countries were afraid to supply the Ukrainian Armed Forces with helmets and rations, they have already quite comfortably supplied planes, and have already supplied missiles, and are allegedly asking for permission to operate on our territories. And so according to the article, we have again won a real political victory, and this is very cool, but as they say before the first landing, then there will be the same old song about the main thing, about how we are honest, but we were deceived, a treacherous attack, and so on, and of course a small historical opus. And to be honest, only one thing is interesting, at this moment what will we open or conduct? A Ferris wheel? A water park? An arcade? Or an ice cream cafe?
    1. +3
      16 September 2024 08: 46
      You are right, I agree with you.
    2. +9
      16 September 2024 13: 10
      According to the article, we have once again achieved a real political victory, and this is very cool, but as they say, until the first landing, then there will be the same old song about the main thing, about how we are honest, but we were deceived, a treacherous attack, and so on, and of course a small historical opus. And to be honest, only one thing is interesting, at this moment what are we going to open or hold? Ferris wheel? Water park? Arcade? Or Ice cream parlor?

      I suggest we have a good old fashioned Tank biathlon. And if the West doesn't shit its pants even then... Well, I just don't know!
    3. +1
      16 September 2024 17: 18
      Overall, 87% voted for good reason.

      A small remark. Not 87, but only 67. The percentage should be calculated not from the number of those who came, but from the number of those who had votes.
    4. -1
      16 September 2024 21: 03
      They're going to open a shawarma place. With shawarma. drinks
  4. -11
    16 September 2024 05: 04
    I suggest that forum members familiarize themselves with the British concept of a total war with Russia.
    Complex erosion of the Russian military-industrial complex.

    RUSI recommends creating a single intelligence fusion center that would aggregate information from across the West to build a comprehensive picture of the Russian military-industrial complex and identify its vulnerabilities.

    British scientists are striding along...they might rip their pants.
    1. +9
      16 September 2024 06: 17
      By the way, about British scientists. Newton, Rusenford and thousands of others. Yes, they made great strides. And about this center. What's wrong, they do everything correctly from their own point of view.
      1. -12
        16 September 2024 06: 24
        Newton, Ruzenford and thousands of others... Yes, they took great strides. And about this center... What's wrong, they do everything right from their own point of view

        And it’s not like they’re firing British missiles at our country and killing our citizens.
        I would prefer to popularize scientists from Russia and the USSR, rather than British or American ones.
        Everywhere and everywhere the Americans and the British are pushing aside the achievements of their scientists and in every way keeping silent and belittling the achievements of scientists in our country.
        1. +11
          16 September 2024 06: 30
          Well, you said that some British scientists tore their pants, so I answered. And I would prefer to make it so that our Brains stay in the country, otherwise, look, they leave here. Why is that? And they make a contribution there, like British and American scientists. Forty or fifty years ago, I opened the magazines "Science and Life", "Technology for Youth", and read the achievements of our scientists and designers. Now, what, too weak? This is about popularizing...
          1. -7
            16 September 2024 06: 36
            But I would prefer to make it so that our Brains stay in the country, otherwise, look, they leave here.

            This is one of the problems of our scientific staff.
            The old Soviet personnel are leaving... dying of old age, not yet replaced by the young... scientific schools have been mostly destroyed by the efforts of Yeltsin's CIA advisers.
            Three decades have passed and our country has not yet recovered from the shock therapy of liberals and reformers.
            In general, it is not yet clear how far we will advance in science and technology...what the British and Americans are strong in.
            1. +19
              16 September 2024 06: 42
              Almost a quarter of a century has passed since EBN no longer rules. What's the matter? What kind of Zarathustra is preventing the development of its science, instead of dragging itself along on the Soviet groundwork. Let me remind you that in the USSR, twenty years after the October Revolution and the destruction of industry in the Civil War, Soviet scientists were already solving problems on nuclear topics.
              1. -8
                16 September 2024 06: 47
                Breaking does not build ... smile
                The liberals carried out their reforms on the principle of destroying everything to the ground and creating our own wonderful world of freedom and democracy on its ruins.
                In 1917, there was also a slogan: let's destroy the old world of autocracy to its foundations and on its ruins let's create a new world of equality and brotherhood... neither the communists nor the liberals succeeded.
                Is it possible to do without destroying the heritage of our ancestors... and use it as a foundation for building the next level of our society? hi
                1. +7
                  16 September 2024 06: 51
                  Well, there you go. They destroyed and created. I already wrote about twenty years after the revolution. And what is this "legacy of the ancestors"? Autocracy and liberal reforms with thousands of rats? Both then and now. That's how they should have been brought down.
                  1. -11
                    16 September 2024 06: 54
                    what is this "ancestral heritage"? Autocracy and

                    And did this autocracy itself grow in lands and territories?
                    The Bolsheviks didn’t create the USSR out of thin air.
                2. +12
                  16 September 2024 07: 35
                  ... The liberals have carried out their reforms on the principle of "let's destroy everything to the ground and on its ruins we will create our own wonderful world of freedom and democracy..."

                  ... Three decades have passed and our country has not yet recovered from the shock therapy of liberals and reformers...


                  And who is our main liberal in Russia?
                  Under whose leadership 3 decades and our country has not yet recovered from the shock therapy of liberals and reformers ?

                  Dear Lekha from Android, You didn’t know or don’t want to know that

                  Politics , 19 Jan 2014, 15:08
                  V. Putin confirmed that he is a "real liberal"

                  https://www.rbc.ru/politics/19/01/2014/570416189a794761c0ce5bf4

                  March 26 2012
                  Peskov: Putin is a liberal not in words but in deeds

                  https://www.forbes.ru/news/80493-peskov-putin-liberal-ne-na-slovah-na-dele
                  1. -5
                    16 September 2024 07: 52
                    You didn't know or don't want to know that

                    It's hard to part with your idol. smile
                    I remember how he promised to kill terrorists in the toilet and he succeeded.
                    I don't want to lose faith in him until the very end.
                    And if I lose it...it won't be my fault. hi
                    1. +9
                      16 September 2024 08: 15
                      I don't want to lose faith in him until the very end.


                      A real Liberal is a 100% "marketeer" (i.e. the market will decide everything: "Who needs your shitty machines?! If we need them, we'll buy everything abroad.").

                      The market is capitalism.
                      The SVO in Ukraine is a war between Western capitalists and Russian capitalists. In this scenario, Russia will lose the war.

                      But if there is a war between Western capitalists and the Russian people, then according to this scenario, Russia will win the war.

                      Will your idol have enough Will to make the SVO a People's War?
                      1. -5
                        16 September 2024 08: 18
                        Will your idol have enough Will to make the SVO a People's War?

                        It would not be an exaggeration to say that the fate of our country is being decided at the SVO...our further existence depends on its outcome. request
                        Just like Putin...he has no right to lose.
                      2. -1
                        16 September 2024 10: 11
                        Quote: Lech from Android.
                        It would not be an exaggeration to say that the fate of our country is being decided at the SVO...

                        This country.
                        Or - such a country
                        Or - such a Russia.
                        And it was different. Like the USSR, which was able to defeat the united Europe in the Great Patriotic War.
                      3. +1
                        16 September 2024 10: 13
                        Well, for you this country may be...but for me it is my country...with all the problems.
                        I have no other and never will.
                      4. +4
                        16 September 2024 10: 19
                        Today's Russia is two poles. The people who are dying in the process of being ground up in the SVO, and the government + oligarchs who increase their personal wealth in the war.
                        And I just can’t bring myself to call this second thing my country...
                      5. +4
                        16 September 2024 11: 10
                        Oligarchs and the overfed glamorous public are not our country... I don’t even consider them people... just pigs who got their hands on the trough. hi
                        My country is grandfathers, grandmothers, workers, peasants, engineers, all those who earn a living for their families with their labor, do it every day.
                      6. +1
                        16 September 2024 11: 12
                        So our president is not from the people at all...
                        Quote: Lech from Android.
                        My country is grandfathers, grandmothers, workers, peasants, engineers, all those who earn a living for their families with their labor.

                        I completely agree with you here. drinks
                      7. 0
                        19 September 2024 08: 31
                        But the harsh truth of life shows that it is precisely those whom you do not consider to be people who control us.
                      8. +3
                        16 September 2024 12: 58
                        Alexander, the idol deflated when the Kursk was sunk, since then he has only puffed out his cheeks and that’s it, and maybe even earlier.
                    2. +3
                      16 September 2024 08: 24
                      Quote: Lech from Android.
                      You didn't know or don't want to know that

                      It's hard to part with your idol. smile
                      I remember how he promised to kill terrorists in the toilet and he succeeded.
                      I don't want to lose faith in him until the very end.
                      And if I lose it...it won't be my fault. hi

                      When he promised to "dunk in the toilet" it was a different PVV, if you can put it that way!
                      Since 2012-14, he is no longer the same person. I don't know how to explain it, sometimes I think maybe he is a double. But most of all I am inclined to think that old age has taken its toll in his case and he has simply given everything over to his entourage, so sometimes he wakes up to grumble because a chill has blown at his feet. request
                      1. +4
                        16 September 2024 10: 59
                        When he promised to "dunk you in the toilet"
                        They were killing for 9 years until they found someone with whom they could come to an agreement and kill his competitors together. In the end, they came to an agreement...
                    3. +6
                      16 September 2024 09: 18
                      Quote: Lech from Android.
                      It's hard to part with your idol.
                      I remember how he promised to kill terrorists in the toilet and he succeeded.
                      I don't want to lose faith in him until the very end.
                      And if I lose it...then it won't be my fault.

                      In this you are also similar to your idol. He has been walking around in shit-stained pants since 2014 permanently, but it is not his fault, yeah. It is all the enemies. And deceivers.
                      It's really annoying.. What kind of people are these? They don't know how and don't want to know how to take responsibility for their actions. Why the hell have you been voting for him for years? So this is YOUR wine.
                      1. +2
                        16 September 2024 10: 13
                        Quote: Mishka78
                        It's really annoying.. What kind of people are these? They don't know how and don't want to know how to take responsibility for their actions. Why the hell do you keep voting for him for years? So it's YOUR fault.

                        Right to the point!
                        Many here on VO began to understand the true reasons for what is happening.
                      2. -1
                        16 September 2024 10: 22
                        Why the hell do you keep voting for him for years? So it's YOUR fault.

                        Why the hell are you telling me who I should vote for?
                        It's none of your business at all...I wanted to vote for Putin...and it's not for you to decide for me. hi
                      3. +5
                        16 September 2024 10: 48
                        Quote: Lech from Android.
                        It's none of your business at all...I wanted to vote for Putin...and it's not for you to decide for me.

                        Firstly, you have been telling everyone this for years on this forum. And since you have brought it out into the public space, do not blame me if the public discusses it.
                        Secondly, I don't point or decide, I ask. There's a question mark at the end.
                        Well, and thirdly, since you wanted to and voted, don’t absolve yourself of responsibility for your actions/inactions.
                        You delegated the right to decide your, my and millions of other destinies to this person. You did it. It is your responsibility, and there is no point in hiding from it.
                        Otherwise, just like the leader of the nation, at the slightest thing - "questions for the Ministry of Defense", "questions for the local authorities", "Peskov is talking nonsense", etc.
                        And the good old man sits and exclusively distributes benefits to the poor, yeah. And he declares "non-working" days during the pandemic.
                        Enough of these infantile people. They've lived to the point of being grey-eyed, but they're not ready to take responsibility for anything.
                      4. 0
                        16 September 2024 10: 51
                        But I do not absolve myself of responsibility for my choice and therefore I am not afraid to directly say what is bad and what is good.
                        I have the right to make mistakes... smile
                        It's good that it got to you...it means you're a caring person.
                        If caring people had stopped Gorbachev in time, perhaps we would not have had to go through the path that our people and country are going through now.
                      5. -4
                        16 September 2024 10: 57
                        Quote: Mishka78
                        It's really annoying.. What kind of people are these? They don't know how and don't want to know how to take responsibility for their actions. Why the hell do you keep voting for him for years?

                        What is it that annoys you so much? Suggest an alternative. Don't be shy! Who? Nadezhdin? Davankov? Titov? Mironov? The first three will bring back the 90s and sell the country cheap to the arrogant Anglo-Saxons the next day. The last one is just a media "alternative candidate" - weak-willed and inarticulate. And Zyuganov's time passed 20 years ago, and now he simply won't make it...
                        WHO??? That's how it is. The people choose the one who is better. We don't have anyone better at the moment. As soon as there is someone better, I will be the first to vote for him. I don't like a lot of things either, and some of them just turn me inside out... but when I start analyzing, I understand that with ANY other candidate, everything will be much worse!
                        If you want, you can use the construction not "he is better than others", but "others are even worse". The meaning will not change - there is no alternative to the current president anyway (well, unless, of course, you are writing from Latvia... then for you Kasparov is the best president, and Shenderovich is the best prime minister laughing laughing laughing )
                      6. -1
                        16 September 2024 18: 39
                        Zyuganov's time passed in 96, when he did not go for an escalation. Although who knows what would have come of it - maybe we would now remember Yeltsin with longing
                    4. +2
                      16 September 2024 13: 25
                      I don't want to lose faith in him until the very end.

                      So, you still pray to this icon??? Well, here's your ruzultat! What's surprising if even completely sane people still cross themselves in front of that portrait,,, What kind of shocks and aftershocks do you need to admit to YOURSELF (not to others!) that this Bolivar can't carry not only two, but even one... And it won't even hobble to the finish line without a rider.
              2. VLR
                +14
                16 September 2024 07: 00
                It should be noted that it was Putin who made the decision to close the Lourdes electronic surveillance station in Cuba and
                the Cam Ranh naval base in Vietnam. In addition, the military-industrial complex continued to degrade, and the huge amounts of money received from the sale of non-renewable natural resources were not used to develop the country, but were taken abroad - not only by oligarchs, but also by the government and the Central Bank. And a huge part of these funds has now been confiscated, an entire generation of Russian citizens worked for free for a foreign uncle.
              3. +3
                16 September 2024 10: 54
                after the October revolution
                In 1918 alone, when sabotage, rebellion, and intervention were taking place, 25 scientific institutes of various specializations were created in Soviet Russia.
            2. -1
              16 September 2024 10: 52
              the young staff are already 35-45 years old, why haven't they replaced them yet? smile smile
            3. +1
              16 September 2024 18: 33
              And how much time does a country need to be liked? Compare the USSR of 45 and 69. Or the FRG of the same period.
          2. -2
            16 September 2024 10: 39
            Quote from: dmi.pris1
            Forty or fifty years ago, I opened the magazines "Science and Life", "Technology for Youth", and read the achievements of our scientists and designers. Now, what, is it too weak?

            Not weak. It's just that it's moved to a slightly different media plane. Nobody reads magazines and newspapers these days. So put the Technics of the Youth and the Young Technician back on the drawer - and go to our numerous expo-forums, exhibitions and scientific and technical fairs. Quite a few of them take place in different cities every year - and there, in the abundance of pavilions, your eyes will certainly run wide from the ideas and developments of "our own Newtons".
            1. +2
              16 September 2024 10: 43
              We recently went to an agricultural equipment exhibition here in Krasnodar Krai. They were all copies of foreign models. Which is also not bad. In light of the sanctions.
              1. 0
                16 September 2024 11: 13
                But initially you were not talking about technology, but about developments, discoveries and inventions (which is what TM and UT loved to write about in the 70s). But in fact, everything in this world is a copy in one way or another. Geraniums, they are also, you know, copies of foreign technology... and, nevertheless, Russian :))
                And we have enough of our own developments... we laugh at Skolkovo - but anyone who gets there, even on a tour, is stunned by the high-tech. And the St. Petersburg expoforums are also always full of products of our own, domestic brains, along with foreign ones: in medicine, robotics, industrial automation, etc.
                Another thing is whether it will go into production or not, whether they will give money for it or not, whether they will take it into development or not... but that is another question of lobbying and financing - and we are talking about brains :)))
                1. +1
                  16 September 2024 11: 25
                  Well, let's take Skolkovo. It's already the talk of the town. Let's not talk about this black hole, into which the Chubais turned a good project. Not every development is implemented, perhaps most of these developments. What should young people do if there is no demand? It was in Soviet science that they found applications for their brains and hands. Now, if there is no quick return, the private sector will not pay. The state? Yes, perhaps. But this applies to those who work for the defense industry. And what can they do? A lot of them are leaving. I propose shifting the funding of many expensive projects and directing it all to science.
                  1. 0
                    16 September 2024 11: 39
                    We are already moving into a completely different area - financing and accepting projects into series production. And here I completely agree with you.
                    I disagreed only on the issue of no brains and no popularization of them. There are plenty of brains, and popularization is also at a level. Just at a completely different level, not like 50 years ago, when I read with bated breath in YouT in the late 60s, early 70s, about how a schoolboy from somewhere (I don't remember) connected an electric motor, an eccentric and scissors - and began to mow the grass at his dacha :)))

                    (by the way, it is unlikely that this guy is now receiving a commission for the fact that the whole world uses a garden trimmer - this is about the applied side and monetization of inventions)
                  2. 0
                    16 September 2024 16: 08
                    It was during Soviet science that people found applications for their brains and hands.

                    I would like to remind you that since Khrushchev's time, the vast majority of new developments have not gone into production. Except for the military-industrial complex. I personally knew the winner of the USSR State Prize. The invention was related to electric motors, I don't remember the gist of it. When I asked "when will we launch it into production?", I received the answer: "We don't need that." And this was during the USSR. As a result, in the 90s, this development was bought by the Finns for pennies.
                    1. +1
                      16 September 2024 16: 29
                      Yes, that happened. But the thing is that these same scientists were doing something else. And it worked. And now the easiest thing is to run away, after the failure of implementation and, accordingly, payment for your work. More precisely, the lack thereof.
            2. 0
              19 September 2024 08: 44
              Peter, it is not the developments that have real value, but only the finished product that can be used. Just look at the brand of your computer - I hope everything became clear to you?
    2. -8
      16 September 2024 06: 29
      These always tried to act methodically. They understand that one of the main problems of the 404 failure on the battlefield is the work of our defense industry. For them, it was already in a prone state. And if they took it on, then they must pay maximum attention to protecting the defense industry from external ears and eyes.
      One of the priority areas is to cut off not only open Wi-Fi Internet access points in the military-industrial complex territories, but also, possibly, cellular communications. Thanks to such access, there were hacks and leaks from many enterprises. True, it was not only the West that was messing around with our documents and developments, but also our Chinese friends. After all, it was not for nothing that they had, for example, hypersonic missiles or processors for network-centric wars.
      God help our counterintelligence.

      P.S. And change the system of organizing tenders on open and supposedly closed sites. Goods should be purchased according to the Rosatom principle - only verified suppliers can make offers.
      1. -1
        16 September 2024 16: 11
        the work of our defense industry.

        But we don't have our own defense industry. We all live on the legacy of the Soviet Union. And our defense industry is very far from processors for network-centric wars. Remember what kind of communication the guys in the SVO zone use.
        1. 0
          16 September 2024 20: 19
          First, get accurate data on the real state of the defense industry, and then write.
          As for the network-centric processor, if we hadn't developed it, our partner wouldn't have it. I agree with the only thing, they couldn't get hold of some of the documentation concerning the processor part. Then they took this piece from the Americans. It turned out as it turned out. But you won't be able to get this processor to look at. You won't even be able to get the programming documentation. It's under special control from China.
          Regarding communications, yes, there is still a lot of work to do. But the road is mastered by the one who walks it. And the movement has begun.
          1. -1
            17 September 2024 09: 33
            The state of the military-industrial complex is assessed not only by parades, but also by the saturation of the Armed Forces with modern equipment, etc. The entire potential now lies in the legacy of the Union. There is nothing fundamentally new, on the contrary - much was lost and sawed up for the sake of "friendship".
            The concept of network-centric warfare implies not only the presence of a processor, but also the saturation of personnel and equipment with communications equipment resistant to SIGINT and EW. Can you name the number of AWACS aircraft that are currently in service and are planned to be put into service? Or the command and control vehicles that meet the modern requirements of conducting network-centric warfare. If not, then I suggest you familiarize yourself with this information, it is freely available. The picture will be sad. And so, unfortunately, in everything. We do not need to go to the level of the same States or China, but run. There is no movement in this direction at all now. The level is only maintained with a prayer, so as not to fall.
            1. 0
              17 September 2024 20: 47
              I can give an example that led us to a delay in obtaining crystals according to 65 nm standards.
              A ready-made 65nm plant was purchased for Angstrom. But thanks to Mikron (read Yevtushenko's company), the equipment was not implemented. It stood for several winters in the open air and then part of it was taken by Mikron at a knockdown price. And the entire debt for the loan was hung on Angstrom. The result is that there is no line for manufacturing microcircuits according to 65nm standards. 16 years have passed. But Mikron has no competitor.
              This is who needs to be taxed, not given more.
              As for the core, which is the basis of the network-centric system complex, here we need to deal with other bosses who wet themselves a little when it turned out that they did not provide proper control and protection for the development. To simplify things, they just closed the project. But now no one will blame them for something being wrong.
              There are some difficulties with communication. But the situation is gradually improving. Over the past year, one can find in the open press more than one mention of small overcomings of difficulties in solving the problems you voiced.
              Well, if you are not at all indifferent, then any specialists are needed at the enterprises and research institutes of the defense industry. You will easily find one to your liking.
              Otherwise, there is only negativity, but no progress can be made.
              1. -1
                18 September 2024 08: 23
                I'm telling you about the saturation of the LS with technology and communications, you're telling me about the struggle between angstrom and micron. Where's the logic? The question about the command and control vehicle and the AWACS remains open. If you delve into the communications equipment at the company-platoon level, it's a real shame. What kind of network-centric wars are we talking about? Why do we need this processor without everything else? Where's the promotion here? In the articles of information agencies? I apologize, but you're an "optimist in rose-colored glasses from the planet of ponies."
  5. +3
    16 September 2024 05: 22
    Civilization on the threshold of a new future... When the radiation background in Eurasia, the USA and Canada subsides, in a few thousand years, other tribes will populate this territory again... "And everything will repeat itself as before, night, icy ripples of the canal, drugstore, street, lantern" (c)
  6. -8
    16 September 2024 06: 10
    Tusk has already announced new, larger-scale deliveries of equipment for this purpose.
    Where are these naked-assed people going?
  7. +2
    16 September 2024 06: 23
    Naturally, the enemies of the USSR in the West are afraid, they see that people got Soviet nuclear weapons.
  8. +8
    16 September 2024 06: 32
    If only we could understand what our "rulers" mean by "depth" of Russia. Crimea, Kursk, Belgorod..., DPR, LPR... - as I understand it, this is not "depth"? But don't our people live in these territories and how do some territories of Russia differ from other territories of Russia?
    1. +7
      16 September 2024 08: 38
      Quote: Vladimir M
      If only we could understand what our "rulers" mean by "depth" of Russia. Crimea, Kursk, Belgorod..., DPR, LPR... - as I understand it, this is not "depth"? But don't our people live in these territories and how do some territories of Russia differ from other territories of Russia?

      Haven't you noticed that our military-political leadership is pursuing a flexible policy, as well as a war?!
      Somewhere there is a counter-terrorist operation, and somewhere there is a counter-terrorist operation, and all regions are considered ours.
      This military-political leadership has created a limitation on the conduct of war for itself, and it is necessary to pay for it with the lives of Russian citizens, military and civilians. Moreover, over the last 30 years, they have been nothing but negotiators, who did not allow the army to destroy the encircled bandit groups in the Caucasus, who also backed down in Georgia, and then in Ukraine, starting in 2014, they have been rolling cotton wool.
    2. 0
      16 September 2024 12: 41
      "All animals are equal. But some animals are more equal than others." ©
  9. -9
    16 September 2024 06: 34
    Maybe I'm naive, but I think sober thinking will prevail. And everything will still be decided in Ukraine. I recently heard an interesting idea. This is the creation of a Ukrainian army on our territory. To liberate left-bank Ukraine, and the creation of an eastern Ukraine in defiance of the western one. I see a lot of sense in this. Victory will acquire a new meaning, both for us and for the Ukrainians.
    1. +11
      16 September 2024 06: 45
      Create an eastern Ukraine and put a Nazi godfather in charge? Firstly, it was too late to create "eastern Ukraine", the time for that has gone forever. And secondly, nothing good can come of a godfather by definition.
    2. -3
      16 September 2024 07: 01
      I suggested this from the very beginning.
  10. -9
    16 September 2024 06: 50
    There is no need to relax, the West will not calm down anyway. Sabetta and the Saam UGC are not as far as it turns out from Ukraine. 24-25 LNG cargoes from Novatek "on the right" and they clearly contain cargoes of "Arctic LNG" origin - an unpleasant surprise for the USA. I remember well the words of the State Department representatives - "The Arctic LNG project must be destroyed!"
  11. -4
    16 September 2024 07: 04
    In order for the effect of the speech to be more impressive, it needs to be supported by nuclear tests. To do this, it is necessary to provoke the opposing side to start them first. This can be done by launching a campaign in the media, where various experts would report that the nuclear weapons of the USA, Great Britain and France have long been "rotten" and are no good for anything. The duration of this campaign is 2-3 months and, I think, the opponents will want to demonstrate the combat capability of their nuclear weapons, and this is what we need.
  12. +7
    16 September 2024 07: 50
    In Russia, few people want to fight NATO. This is absolutely true and understandable, but it turns out that in the West, there are even fewer people willing to fight Russia.
    Of course, they have relatives, accounts, real estate in NATO countries... True and understandable... In the West they don't want it either, it will cause a crisis... and as a result they can lose everything.
    1. UAT
      -2
      16 September 2024 11: 15
      It seems to me that you greatly underestimate the intellectual capabilities of those who, in your opinion,
      in NATO countries relatives, accounts, real estate
      . After all, these relatives are ready hostages. Why do the officials and rich people who are here need this?
      1. +5
        16 September 2024 11: 18
        After all, these relatives are ready-made hostages
        Well, they specially bought real estate there, opened accounts, gave their relatives as hostages, just so there wouldn’t be a war.
        1. UAT
          -2
          16 September 2024 11: 23
          For some reason, such malicious actions of theirs did not prevent the SVO. I just suggest not to consider all these characters as stupider than a steam locomotive. These guys, of course, do not shine, for the most part, with moral qualities, but they should not be underestimated. There is nothing funny here, IMHO.
          1. +3
            16 September 2024 11: 27
            I'm just suggesting that we don't consider all these characters to be dumber than a steam locomotive.
            Well, it has become a meme: "We were deceived again" (c) Who us? You and me or those who have real estate accounts and relatives there?
            1. UAT
              -5
              16 September 2024 11: 34
              Respected kor1vet1974, I somehow didn't understand such a sudden change of topic. Were we discussing relatives and assets abroad? Please explain.
  13. +4
    16 September 2024 08: 15
    Burkhalter's arrival in 2014 did not simply change, but replaced the Supreme Commander's scenario. The zigzag near Kiev in 2022 probably also had external causes.
    It is difficult to explain the third year of the "operation's" wait-and-see behavior. Support for the state of an unhealed wound. Phenomenal politeness on the outside. And rigidity-hardness on the inside (Prigozhin, Strelkov, Kvachkov, the unfinished walker from Siberia). The umbilical cord of Euro-worship forces us to retreat from our own red lines. Both Euro-worship and patriotism are marginality.
    You can understand who is afraid of whom by the initiator of the events.
    1. UAT
      +1
      16 September 2024 11: 19
      Everything you write is correct. Just remember how many people stormed the generalized passes after the announcement of partial mobilization? Don't you think that the sluggish nature of the SVO is determined by the impossibility of significantly increasing the army and the limited ability to produce weapons?
      1. 0
        16 September 2024 12: 41
        It is clear that it is easier to reason in hindsight and from the outside. But this does not cancel the need to think. What follows from which it follows that the current strategy is the best? How did it turn out that despot Stalin solved grandiose tasks, was surrounded by talented commanders? Once upon a time, Dneproges were built with wheelbarrows, today we cannot build An-2s. Why “the impossibility of significantly increasing the army”? It is possible to export money to offshore accounts, steal budgets, build private yacht fleets, impose on everyone the burying of money and effort in real estate, cars, tourism, etc. The question is in setting the tasks.
        Why did they storm the passes? "Quality of life" sounds beautiful, of course, understanding personal life. It is more effective and quick to improve the "quality" of personal life with the slogan "row for yourself" - the 2nd article to help: "Man, his rights and freedoms are the highest value." Did the Americans accidentally slip this into the constitution? Adaptation capabilities work mainly at the population level, and not at the individual level. A beautiful article, but it leads to disorganization of the people, in other words - to the massive blackening of souls. How does a person with a legal education take this into account?
        1. UAT
          0
          16 September 2024 13: 56
          You are cool. It's like Yaroslavna was crying. And when it comes to specifics about the impossibility of increasing the army, you're off to the bushes of offshores, theft, etc. Why did you storm the passes? And again, reasoning about nothing.
          To your question about Stalin, surrounded by talented commanders. While these talented people were being selected, the Germans reached Stalingrad and the country was hanging by a thread. Is this what you don't want to remember? It's a pity that you didn't write anything constructive or at least explaining the existing reality. But how much pathos about cars and the like.
  14. +2
    16 September 2024 08: 43
    At the very beginning of the SVO, Vladimir Putin warned of fatal consequences for countries that tried directly intervene in the course of events

    Author, everyone here is an adult, and the Internet hasn't been banned yet.
    Why attribute your thoughts to the Supreme?
    Full quote from V.V. Putin's February speech regarding warning third parties:
    Now a few important, very important words for those who might be tempted to interfere with the events that are taking place. Whoever tries to hinder us, and especially to create threats to our country, to our people, must know that Russia's response will be immediate and will lead you to consequences that you have never encountered in your history.

    As we can see, there are no words about intervention"directly".
    And, therefore, it was about any interference. And even more so - about the creation of not even an interference, but simply a threat. Which was violated literally immediately.

    This is the first
    And the second.
    For reasons unknown to me, we have all developed a pernicious practice of perceiving any apparent inaction, or delayed action, of any opponent as his weakness, and even defeat.
    This is a very primitive interpretation, which can often lead to unpredictable results.
    We, throughout the entire SVO, were repeatedly convinced of the enemy's weakness (lack of training, lack of motivation, lack of reserves, lack of ammunition) - I think there is no point in repeating all those negative moments that we later received
    Now the author assures us that the collective West heard something there, understood something, and rejected something.
    To put it mildly, these are our own fantasies.
    We have no idea what they are thinking, what they are planning, and what tomorrow will bring.
    But if we follow all the events along the entire path of the SVO, we can confidently state that everything the enemy has will be used against us. All military, all financial, political and other levers, without exception. It's only a question of time.
    The exception is probably only in nuclear weapons, but even here I'm not sure

    This is what we should proceed from, and not publish victorious reports.
  15. +4
    16 September 2024 09: 10
    It is too early to draw any conclusions from the long-range missile story.
    So far, all the horrible red lines that Putin and his comrades drew have been cheerfully pissed on by respected partners with jokes and laughter.
    Well, for general development.
    The Russian Black Sea Fleet was first withdrawn from Sevastopol to Novorossiysk. Now it has already left Novorossiysk. Because the enemy's long-range missiles reach there.
    All our airfields are 500 km away from the LBS. Which, to put it mildly, will limit the capabilities of our frontline aviation.
    Now, once again, work is underway to move warehouses with ammunition, fuel and lubricants and other goodies to the same 500 km from the LBS. Which, to put it mildly, complicates logistics and delivery time.
    By the way, headquarters are also being moved.
    All that remains is to put all these components together into a single picture and come to the conclusion that there will definitely be long-range high-point strikes.
    Moreover, I suspect that after Putin's threats, they told him: come on, Vova, you have 2-3 weeks before it flies, get ready so that your image doesn't completely fly off into the female genital organ.
    And it turns out that it's okay - Putin scared everyone, look, analysts are writing happy articles, our leader of the nation is still wow! But in fact - another deal. Like - we won't beat you yet, and you pull yours back.
  16. +2
    16 September 2024 09: 11
    Don't worry, the Anglo-Saxons will cheat you anyway, not for the first time. After all, a Russian official is very inclined to signs of attention from Western partners.
  17. +6
    16 September 2024 09: 38
    .It's scary again: the West has so far refused to strike deep into Russia

    Does the author believe that the West was scared after the Russian President's speech?
    In this case, the author need not think twice and can get an answer... in the American press.
    Biden will not give permission to strike Russia with American missiles now. Why? He is afraid (not our guarantor, of course) that this could help Trump in the elections.
    After the November elections, old Joe will give the go-ahead to strike Russia.
    And what next? Solovyov and Kiselyov will have another 4 years (until the next US elections) to explain to Russians that this is such a cunning plan, we are exhausting, luring, grinding.
  18. +1
    16 September 2024 10: 06
    they will allow it sooner or later anyway, they will test the reaction with single blows - first closer, and then further and further
  19. +3
    16 September 2024 12: 28
    When you have no balls, anyone can screw you, even Ukraine…
  20. +3
    16 September 2024 12: 32
    To supply the Ukrainian Armed Forces with missiles and not formally give permission for their use is hypocrisy of the highest order, but we have arrived at this state of affairs only because of the Kremlin’s “unresponsive whining”...
  21. G17
    +4
    16 September 2024 12: 32
    "If you look at the situation from the outside, you get the feeling that few people in Russia want to fight NATO. This is absolutely true and understandable, but it turns out that in the West there are even fewer people ready to fight Russia. This is, perhaps, the most important conclusion from the whole story with long-range missiles." It is pleasant to read such things in the Kremlin, where they live in a separate rosy world, where everything is always good. But this does not correspond to the realities of life at all. With such optimistic articles we only deceive ourselves and disorient a huge part of our population. We are fighting NATO. This is a fact. The West wants to destroy Russia. This is the second fact. The fight will be very difficult, bloody and hard. This is the third fact. This is what we should proceed from, and not engage in optimistic scribbling. Especially after NATO's open invasion of the Kursk region.
    1. +6
      16 September 2024 13: 50
      Quote: G17
      We are at war with NATO. That's a fact.

      NATO hasn't even started yet, to be honest. We're fighting the Ukrops. Who are supported by NATO.
      A direct analogy is when Ukrainians moaned that they were fighting with Russia, and not with Donbass.
      And both of them, without support, of course, would have long since fizzled out. But this does not mean that in the period 2014-2021 the Ukrainians fought with the Russian Federation, as now, NATO is not fighting with us.
  22. +3
    16 September 2024 13: 54
    When the Supreme gets publicly involved in the course of a special operation, everything usually goes according to his script. Especially when it concerns Western countries that are overly interested in the fate of the Kyiv regime. There have been many precedents, but three have become the most memorable.
    The first was when Vladimir Putin warned at the very beginning of the SVO about fatal consequences for countries that tried to directly interfere in the course of events. The second was when he ordered nuclear force exercises in response to NATO attempts to introduce its forces into Ukraine. In both cases, the hotheads in the West cooled down and abandoned their intentions. And not only abandoned, but even stopped talking about it. Macron, for example, completely forgot about his recent desire to send legionnaires to Ukraine. And now the third public intervention by the president has effectively cancelled another attempt by the West to escalate the course of the special operation to the limit.

    A good face, a bad game!!!
    First - from the very beginning of the SVO, Western countries have been interfering DIRECTLY in the SVO. Global arms deliveries to Kyiv, total training of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, economic support for the country at war with us - isn't this direct interference? NO? belay
    The second one - yes, Macron shut up. But there are no fewer mercenaries there, and there are still plenty of the same legionnaires, including in the Kursk region.
    Thirdly, strikes deep into the Russian Federation have been carried out for a long time. The Moscow region was bombed just recently. Belgorod is constantly being shot at.
    So what's up with the "effective" inclusion of the main thing? Puffing out the cheeks, nothing more.
  23. 0
    16 September 2024 14: 24
    Quote: zontov79
    And only the determined will of our chess player can prevent this, but for now everything is difficult with this!

    Hmm, maybe not allow it, maybe allow it... how shaky it all is. Maybe we'll hit back, or maybe we won't, just spit and wipe it off, it feels like we have a slow reaction, like in a dream. So are we sleeping or not? I'm tired of this state, I'd better go and look at which bank to get a loan from, because the banks are suffering so much, so much that no one is rushing to them for loans.
  24. +1
    16 September 2024 16: 23
    When the Supreme Commander publicly becomes involved in the course of a special operation, everything usually goes according to his script.

    Usually it is only the media that presents that everything is going according to plan. In fact, give any Russian airtime, even for a minute, and he will say: "Stop chewing snot." And this is exactly what our leadership is doing. Publicly give the Yemenis the PCR and immediately feel what a worthy response from strong people is.
    P.S. Zbigniew Brzezinski: "Russia can have as many nuclear briefcases and nuclear buttons as it wants, but since the Russian elite's 500 billion dollars are in our banks, you still have to figure it out: is this your elite or is it ours?"
    So let's sing la la about our rulers.
    1. 0
      16 September 2024 20: 46
      Where have you seen anyone give something military publicly? Only under the cover of the media and to support "democracy". Remove emotions and remember that there is such a concept as "Interests of the state". And they do not always fit with the concepts of international law and universal human values. And this applies to any country.
  25. +1
    16 September 2024 20: 37
    Even if we crack the GPS and Starlink satellites over Ukraine and Russia, and sever the fiber-optic connections at the bottom of the sea. The West will be horrified. Their strategic plans place too much hope on satellite constellations and digital connections. THERE WILL BE A LOT OF SCREAMING AND OUTRAGE, POSSIBLY VERBAL THREATS. But the West will already be afraid to cross this red line. Their cowardly souls will not be enough for that. - They LIVE! They are used to living beautifully. But we will actually have nothing to lose.
    1. 0
      17 September 2024 08: 29
      Where have you seen anyone give something military in public?

      They regularly announce deliveries to Ukraine. Why don't we do the same?
      there is such a concept as "Interests of the state"

      Is a hybrid war against a state allowed in the "interests of the state"? Or should it be prevented, including through escalation?
      their cowardly souls won't be enough for that. - they LIVE! They are used to living beautifully. But we will actually have nothing to lose.

      Well, I am sure that they have enough courage. They always increase the degree of escalation, all previously reached agreements have flown into the trash, gradual militarization of the economy is underway, the amount of military contracts is constantly increasing. You could say that they are seriously preparing. And we should take more radical measures. If we are going to tear up the cable and drop the satellites, then do it now. Then it may be too late. And the only people who have nothing to lose are the people of Russia. They are already being replaced by newcomers.
  26. +2
    16 September 2024 22: 40
    There is no need to delude yourself with illusory hopes that someone is afraid of someone. This is a temporary step back. And then the creeping Ukrainian independent initiative in using long-range missiles will allow the West to remove responsibility from itself. Our actions against NATO will be presented to the world as another act of aggression by Russia. Our Supreme Leader himself, with his weak hands, provoked the current situation.
  27. 0
    17 September 2024 14: 55
    Why are they afraid? Someone will shoot at them? They continue to supply as before...
  28. 0
    17 September 2024 17: 08
    How the Iran-Iraq War was a proxy conflict between the US and the Soviet Union, with both nations supplying arms to Saddam Hussein and opposing Iran.
    in fact its Russia Ukraine is a proxy war between Iran and US since Iran and US supply the opposite side



    How was the Iran-Iraq War a proxy conflict between the US and the Soviet Union, with both countries supplying weapons to Saddam Hussein and opposing Iran?
    in fact, the russian-ukrainian war is a proxy war between iran and us, since iran and the us supply the opposite side
  29. 0
    19 September 2024 11: 43
    The key word is bye.
  30. 0
    19 September 2024 14: 38
    In short, a quote from V.I. Lenin: "You don't have to deceive yourself and believe in untruth - this is the source of our formalism..." (1914) Russia has long ceased to be feared, and therefore (according to modern "concepts") respected... The reason is quite clear... I think that Yevgeny Fedorov simply rushed... Without a thoughtful analysis.... It happens...