We and Ideology

"Hooray! Hooray, shouted Democrats of all stripes. “We finally became free! Freedom of speech! Freedom of thought! Freedom from ideology! Finally, we got rid of it! ”But it was here that the gentlemen“ free-loving ”are cunning (or do not understand). They did not get rid of ideology. They simply stopped hiding the ideology that they had cherished in their soul for many years, nurtured it as a hardworking farmer, laid it in their children. After all, it is only stated that in a democratic society there is no ideology. In fact, each party has its own ideology. But let's go in order.

What is ideology

«Ideology (Greek ιδεολογία, from Greek ιδεα - a prototype, an idea; and λογος - a word, mind, doctrine) - a system of conceptually shaped views and ideas expressing the interests of various social classes, groups, societies, in which the attitudes of people to reality are realized and evaluated and to each other and also authorize
forms of domination and power existing in society (conservative ideologies), or their transformations (radical, revolutionary ideologies) are justified.
Ideology is not a science (although it may include scientific knowledge): unlike science, ideology not only represents knowledge about social and political life, but also includes an assessment (degree of desirability / undesirability from the point of view of the subject of ideology) of tendencies, processes and various forces of this social and political life.

Types of ideologies

The main modern ideologies were formed in the XIX century. Despite a significant number of different ideologies, in the most general form it is customary to single out liberal, conservative, fascist and socialist ideologies.
At the end of the 20th century, among politicians and parties, there was a tendency for pragmatic purposes to increasingly reject a stable ideology, that is, to adopt the tactics of antiideologism, and even populism. ”

This is the definition of ideology in the most famous (and frequently used) Wikipedia. But “Vicky” would not be “Vika” if she hadn’t kept silent about the most popular ideology that is currently being planted - consumer ideologies!

It may not officially declare, but in every way popularize through the media and television. “Dear people and stars” willingly declare various material values, luxury cars, jewelry, advertise them on all channels. Well, if this is some kind of oligarch with a multimillion-dollar bank account (and better abroad), then he “has the right” to rob, murder, blackmail with complete impunity! This is “freedom from everything” and, first of all, from the law and elementary conscience. All in the name of welfare!

In no case do I call to condemn or hostile to those who, with honest work, try to provide their families and children with normal housing, decent wages, education, and proper rest. And at the same time laid out on all 100! This is absolutely normal for any person. The question is, HOW he achieves his welfare. And here suddenly comes the question of “laying the ideology in the human consciousness” When and how does this happen? You may laugh, but this happens in the very early childhood, when we try to inculcate in children the concepts of good and evil.

"What is good and what is bad"

Many of you remember this funny poem, and even now read it to children. However, at the same time with this poem, children listen to fairy tales, watch movies, cartoons, communicate with each other. And it is good if we do not allow this early upbringing to take its course. Because it is precisely folk tales, legends, the best examples of classical literature that bring into consciousness a huge layer of culture and SPIRITUALity, which has no place in the society of consumers. This is the layer of GOOD that is necessary for the development of a MAN. And it is precisely this that those who instill in us the ideology of consumers are trying to destroy. In general, the concepts of "good and evil" can be very easily distorted, and this is something that some individuals who long for freedom use.

- Kotigoroshko (Ukrainian hero) won the serpent of the bitter, who had fired his land for so many years, destroyed the village, and took the girls into captivity! Children orphan and old people hurt!
“Why did he kill him?” Maybe he would have re-educated? And in general, he wanted to eat, why kill immediately?

Do you think this is a joke? By no means! The real conversation in the classroom in the 4 class between teacher and student. And what do you think, what is the concept of the Motherland and the people already embedded in the child? Yes, spit on his native land! Where is freedom and democracy? - here is the main message!

Another example (I have already given it somehow)

Spartacus! A hero, a talented commander, a courageous warrior. He freed the slaves, led them along. And he did not abandon them, although he understood that the battle for Rome would be the last! Who didn't admire him? And if you look from the patricians? - Scoundrel, bastard, scoundrel! Robber - took away private property (slaves). But this is our all!

Another life example.

A neighbor who worked at the dairy during the time of Andropov:

“Tse are scary! It’s not possible to infuse anything else! ”Later she successfully traded in the market, but she complained about the damned Soviet power, which did not allow her to save enough to pay bribes in sufficient quantity. “And everyone demands! And the police, and the station, and firefighters! ”What do you think, what ideologies will its children stick to?
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So. What is the concept of good and evil, you lay in the child - such he will have an ideology in the future! Will he think that the main thing in this life is only money, things, purchases? Will he rejoice only in this? Will he spend his whole life on clothes and all sorts of junk? He can be very “successful” in life, but will he be a MAN at the same time?

But if a child - a teenager - an adult speaks and remembers the glorious stories of his people, proud of the heroes of the Great Patriotic War, lays flowers to the Eternal Flame (even if only a couple of flowers, no more money), bow to the veteran .... To the one who will raise such children, I myself am ready to worship! Because for such people the concept of “honor, conscience and dignity” is not an empty phrase. Such people will be able to restrict their freedom if it is necessary to save the motherland. And they themselves will go to defend it! Such people will never go to achieve their well-being at the expense of deceiving and depriving other people. As far as they are concerned, they will not only take care of their personal well-being, but will always come to the aid of those who need it. And they will spend not only their time, but also their money. And they will not consider it as some kind of "outstanding feat." Because, it turns out, they have a Soviet ideology!

Probably best to summarize the question "what is ideology," an example from the report “Ideology and goals of future society”
Leonidova O.V. - corresponding member. ICA, MANEB, head of the public organization "Institute for the Development of Man and Society".
Dudy A. S. - Head of the public organization “Movement of the Spiritual Revival of Man and Society”.

«To understand and understand who is who in ideology and politics, you need to answer three of the most important questions:

1. That one or another ideology suggests, What is its ultimate goal?
2. Who does she base herself on in achieving these goals? which groups of people (real or formal)?
3. Who is for her nrotivnikom who is she fighting with? ”

Answer yourself to these questions, and you will understand who you are and who you are raising? Patriot, statist and great servant of the people? Or just a consumer?

People who consider themselves patriots want to “see their country intellectually and industrially developed in a high level of production, wealth, education and culture”, but at the same time they think that “without the free expression of the will of everyone, Russia simply cannot get through”, do not want to understand that a person lives in society. And people will always unite around some kind of ideology. The country and society will achieve development and prosperity not depending on free will, but depending on which ideology will unite more supporters! And the majority will never submit to the minority. Patriotism can not be raised in isolation from the Soviet past! And the question always arises: “Why then were there so many heroes? What guided these people? Could they only be guided by fear? ”(Unless the parents laid the mind of the child, then everyone was foolish and“ What idiots! We acted for the sake of some mythical socialism and general equality at gunpoint.)

Free will say? You are welcome!

Ukrainian nationalists have announced their readiness to kill
“If there is no revolution, then Ukraine has no future. This opinion was expressed by a social activist, member of the Congress of Ukrainian Nationalists Nikolai Kokhanovsky.
"About 30, my friends publicly state that they are ready to kill the scum for Ukraine and die themselves. I am ready for torture and repression. If it works out or who can have mercy on us? No one. Accordingly, we should not pardon anyone," he, transfers "Minprom" ... ..
Well, after his vision of the revolution process, this pan declares: “after the revolution, it is necessary to hold democratic elections, elect a President.
“A revolution costs nothing if it is not able to take property away from oligarchs. Ours are the former nomenklatura, crime or henchmen of Moscow, here they make money for the Russian gebni. Entire industries must return to the state. Some oligarchs should be punished. Some will leave or repent in front of the Ukrainian nation. For some, it will be better for real money to buy what they have stolen, "said Kokhanovsky.

And in fact it is completely “democratic and free” expressing its will! And even provided democratic elections! But do you want such free will? Will you stand up for the defense of such a patriot, gentlemen free-thinking?

The ideology of consumers, even with all the assurances of patriotism, will lead to a dead end, because there is NO spirituality in it! And a country with a spiritless society will surely perish. What us diligently and pushing!

But what about democracy and freedom of speech and thinking?

“Thinking is the processing of information in the course of the flow of thoughts, images and sensations. This can occur in a variety of forms, different styles and with different qualities: thinking can be different degrees of coherence, consistency and expediency, can be nonsense, and a model of high wisdom, thinking can be effective and empty.

Free thinking - thinking, not clamped in the framework of restrictive patterns. A free-thinking person is not necessarily one who has not been raised - it may be the one who was brought up in the format of internally free thinking. ”

What does this mean in practice? A person can listen to a different, completely opposite opinion, but simply do not accept this opinion. And to say: “Well then! Maybe such an opinion! ”At the same time, a person thinks freely, democratically and tolerantly. And he doesn’t shout: “But I’m right!” But at the same time he does not change his ideology!

Make your choice, gentlemen!

Used materials:
1. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%8F
2. http://m-system-party.org/osnidei/ideologiaizeli.html
3. http://www.psychologos.ru/articles/view/vidy_myshleniya
4. http://obozrevatel.com/politics/46873-ukrainskie-natsionalistyi-obyavili-o-gotovnosti-ubivat.htm

Comments

[vladsolo56]

I can only say one thing, I grew up and got on my feet in Soviet times and in Soviet ideology. "Free" Russia for more than 20 years, there is something to compare. So, comparing, I can say with confidence that the Soviet ideology and the Soviet system are simply many times better, with all the shortcomings. After all, it was worth just in working order to bring all the country's institutions (administrative, political, economic) in accordance with the requirements of the time and I am absolutely sure that today we would live better than many in the West.

[alexng]

Yes, there is nothing to compare. But that psychological stability is not enough. After all, then a person always felt confident in the future. Such a concept as unemployment did not exist at all, and anyone who did not work could be punished for parasitism. Feel the difference?

[work566]

Now there is an idealization of everything Soviet. It cannot be denied that there was a lot of good. Free education without bribes, advanced science,
a sense of confidence in tomorrow, pride in the country. But there was also a negative:
empty stores, then washing powder will disappear from sale, then soap,
something else. A soviet management system through Gosplan to handle
they couldn’t do anything with it. And there were super managers there, they cannot be compared with the current ones.
So is such a management worth returning? And this ideological plate,
which crushed so that ... Do not say too many words! Although most of the people with whom I spoke were patriots.

[S_mirnov]

“So is it worth returning such management?” As a rule, people compare the pre-perestroika USSR with the pre-perestroika one. Not considering that the pre-construction USSR is already a sick state falling apart by the agents of capitalism both from the inside and outside.
As for ideology, I will repeat my comment:
"Just socialism is an ideology more progressive than capitalism. This is becoming clear to everyone, especially in Russia, which has taken capitalism from its heart.
Russia remains a source of threat to capitalism as long as the generation brought up in a socialist spirit is alive. Therefore, they are trying to "rebuild" us with all their might, both from the outside and from the inside. I have already written on this topic.
“I believe that generations of free people brought up in the Soviet Union pose a real threat to the modern pro-American regime in the Kremlin. For as long as there are many people brought up in Soviet values ​​in the country, there is a threat of a socialist revolution.
After the Soviet people die out, they will be replaced by a freshly educated (in the pro-American spirit) generation. In order to break the spiritual connection of generations, the SELF-RENEWABLE institutes of the Soviet state are destroyed: the Soviet education system, the army and the military education system, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the army are structurally overstuffed so as to disrupt generations. Starting from the kindergarten, and then the shock, the institute and the army, Church education is actively being introduced, which, by virtue of its capabilities, replaces the gap in the place of the destroyed Soviet worldview.

The task of the authorities is to hold out until the complete extinction of the Soviet people, hence the calls for stability! ""

[djon3volta]

Quote: S_mirnov

The task of the authorities is to hold out until the complete extinction of the Soviet people, hence the calls for stability! ""

invented it yourself, or who suggested it?
but how do you move forward in an unstable country? do you want the instability of the 90s and at the same time develop the country, attract capital, and so on and so forth ...? do you think it will work out? I don’t see something in Syria, for example, what’s going on there, or in Libya. but recently everything was there stableuntil the country was rocked by people like you, who are brainwashed running around different sites and distributing suspicious posts.

[S_mirnov]

"Invented it myself, or who suggested it?" Of course, I think a lot, but I watch little TV!
"How are you going to move forward in an unstable country?" When the country is steadily dying, then moving forward = the road to the cemetery!
"you want the instability of the 90s and at the same time develop the country" no, I want the stability of the 50s, 60s and at the same time develop the country at an unprecedented pace.
"to raise capital, and so on and so on ..? do you think it will work out?" why do we need to attract foreign capital, it is enough to restore our own economy and economy and it will not be necessary to attract anyone, and also return the stolen from the country, there will of course be opponents, but this problem can be solved. But the revival of the country under the rule of an oligarchic kagal of merchants is a losing business in advance. No matter how hard you try, the traders will wash away from the country along with the stolen capital as soon as it smells of fried. Depardieu's example is in front of everyone's eyes, though he earned his own money, unlike our oligarchs. Nevertheless, the skis quickly greased!

[skeptic]

Quote: lav566

. But there was a negative:
empty stores, then washing powder will disappear from sale, then soap,
something else. A soviet management system through Gosplan to handle
they couldn’t do anything with it. And there were super managers there, they cannot be compared with the current ones.
So is such a management worth returning?

But this was precisely the subversive work of "ideological termites", those whom we now call agents of influence. How to cause discontent among the population - to create discomfort in everyday life. For example: send all the soap to Vladivostok, and all the salt to Fergana. If you try to analyze the past, and the present as well, then note that many elements of bureaucratic "moronism" look stupid only for an inattentive person. Alas, Gorbachev was not the only one who overwhelmed the country - this is a global symbiosis of internal enemies, grabbers, thieves and Western special services. They have not dried up even now, only they have become richer and bolder. AND TO FIGHT THEM A THOUSAND TIMES HARDER.

[work566]

I believe that the Soviet Union was not destroyed by enemies. In the Soviet system were built
the flaws that the then leadership for ideological reasons
didn’t want to see. The Chinese Communists were smarter. Yet in 1978 after
Mao’s death, it was decided to further private initiative in small and medium
business. Chinese kimmunists are now in power, and ours are in the trash.
I have already discussed with Mr. Smirnov on the topic of NEP.
I consider it relevant now. Small and medium-sized businesses are regulated by the market, and large, including energy, utilities, under state control.
Then there will be order in the economy. In America, big business is already in space
flies. We have a large business, created by Chubais, due to thieves
inclinations for large enterprises on a cannon shot not to admit.
I have friends from the middle business. These are people who created their own business, who did not receive it from Chubais. These are responsible people, working from morning to evening, almost seven days a week, patriots.

[ultra]

Quote: lav566

I believe that the Soviet Union was not destroyed by enemies. In the Soviet system were built
the flaws that the then leadership for ideological reasons
did not want to see

I completely agree, ideology should also develop and improve together with the state, otherwise such a state is doomed to stagnation, and the main engine in this process is personnel rotation, the Chinese understood this.

[skeptic]

Quote: lav566

I think that the USSR was not destroyed by enemies.

I apologize, but the USSR was destroyed, not at all friends.

Quote: lav566

The Chinese Communists turned out to be smarter. Still in 1978 after
Mao’s death, it was decided to further private initiative in small and medium
business.

And after the war, cooperatives and cooperatives worked in the USSR, not counting watchmakers and shoemakers. Believe me, it was by no means friends who had to crush private business. Yes, I more than agree with you about the need for small and medium-sized private business. Firstly, the sphere of life, secondly, narrow-profile areas in many industries where a quick change of equipment is required, etc. In the countryside, also mostly only by request.
With such a presentation, and tight control of the bureaucratic structure of the state. In short, dreams, dreams - where is your sweetness ...

[work566]

As regards the struggle against internal enemies, here we must learn from Comrade Stalin. After the death of Lenin in 1924, he, together with Molotov, his trusted friend and comrade-in-arms, began to arrange his people
nv all responsible posts in the state, including culture. And in 1926
All Jews were removed from power in one fell swoop. Trotsky and others couldn’t even utter a word. In our country, after coming to power, the GDP declared that he would not interfere in culture. As a result, they are now interfering in culture
Jews. See what is happening at the Bolshoi Theater? One Tiya and debauchery!
The same is true in education.
In short, in Stalin's need! Then we will have patriots.

[ultra]

Quote: vladsolo56

Soviet ideology and the Soviet system are simply many times better

I agree with you, only unfortunately this ideology contradicts human nature, look at those who are in power (I’m not only talking about the federal one), for the most part they were members of the CPSU, the Komsomol!

[bask]

Quote:] s and ideology [/ quote

IDEOLOGY FOR AND IN THE NAME OF A MAN OF LABOR :::: ONE .. SOCIALISM !!!
STATE OF THE USSR
LEADER AND TEACHER JOSEPH VISSARIONOVICH STALIN.
Now the most heinous system, the most backward ::: oligarchic-bureaucratic-estates., Rotting system.
WITH THE BASIC AND ONLY IDEOLOGY OF WHICH IS --- HAPNUL $$$$$$$$ AND BEYOND THE hill. And to the homeland and the Russian people ..........

[dmitreach]

Good day to all! I would like to draw your attention to one interesting character. A kind of: "it's time to blame the other way around" (from the states to Russia) He even created a socialist group, as opposed to the defeatists and adherents of the sect "to correctiz.rf"! I like this funny American who dreams of Russian citizenship. Host on RT. There are interesting thoughts about information warfare. until recently his Russian was terrible, but he is making progress. Lecture at MGIMO

[DYMITRY]

I was always surprised by one question: why, in order to get any job you need to get an appropriate education, well, except perhaps very prestigious ones, such as a janitor, a loader, etc. But there is one single exception, namely, elected posts from deputy to president !!! That is, it is necessary to repair the sewer. and can anyone rule the country for whom the majority voted ???? This is nonsense !!! Therefore, I am categorically against the elections of all levels !!! Election works only in settlements with a population of less than 5 thousand people, where I know everything, if not personally, then through friends.

[Armata]

Quote: DYMITRY

Therefore, I am categorically against the elections of all levels !!!

Dima, what do you suggest? To sit on the management of the country graduates of the Academy of Public Administration (UrGUPS)? So there, too, the manager is now being released. And far from the state level.

[DYMITRY]

Zhenya, I am for the Stalinist recruitment scheme. When I.V. he could put on no one looking back at the 30-year-old people's commissar who was most suitable for the post. But the measure of responsibility should be the same as then. When it’s not dismissal (and this is in the worst case like today) that shines for serious shortcomings, but they can smear forehead with green stuff for really serious sins. So I am with two hands for dictatorship !!!

[Kaa]

Quote: DYMITRY

So I am with two hands for dictatorship !!!

Whose? In Ukraine, the main thing here is rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr revolution, because nothing else can. As there Egoza writes ""If there is no revolution, then Ukraine has no future" And why not?
"In the Soviet period, the" national economy "of the country stood on four" pillars ", which were mechanical engineering, metallurgy, chemical industry and agroindustry. For the Ukrainian industry as a whole, firstly, technological backwardness is characteristic, and, as a result, high cost production, despite the extremely cheap labor (the average salary in the country is lower than that of the urban population of China) The situation is aggravated by a very high degree of deterioration of infrastructure. depreciation of production assets of railways reaches 80%, depreciation of locomotives - 92%. For 90% of blocks of Ukrainian thermal power plants, the design resource was exhausted five years ago. 72,5% of the blocks also have exhausted their "permitted individual resource", after reaching which their operation is prohibited. Once the gigantic Ukrainian machine-building complex is mostly dead, the Ukrainian aviation industry is mainly engaged in the reassembly of aircraft "unfinished" in Soviet times. Typical assembly rates for new aircraft are one aircraft every two years. The number of people employed in the automotive industry has decreased by ... 150 times over two decades, from 1,5 million to 10 thousand in January, 14 commercial vehicles and 28 buses were produced. Local metallurgy is a frank anachronism. As a result, the cost of Ukrainian steel is higher than Russian. despite several times lower wages of workers. Agriculture demonstrates standard Ukrainian problems (underinvestment and low technological level).In general, if the current trends continue, Ukraine will have to transform into an agrarian and raw material country with a degraded infrastructure - a kind of "moldavization". At the same time, it is obvious that growing agriculture will not be able to absorb the "released" labor. So, for the same Moldova is characterized by a traditionally high level of unemployment. Undoubtedly, the process of de-industrialization of Ukraine will be accompanied by a political crisis and, probably, by the fragmentation of the country.
http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1628852.html#ixzz2MYWfKagw
HERE FOR THIS AND CALCULATION - DURING THE BREWER, SOMETHING AND SECURING SOMETHING SOMETHING. HERE AND THE WHOLE CALCULATION OF APPAZITIONAL IDEOLOGY, I THINK IN RUSSIA THEY THINK SAME, because they make revolutions easier, and they learned this with the help of the West, but untwisting the huge industry flywheel and agricultural work is the same day and night for years. ... BREAK - DO NOT BUILD.

[DYMITRY]

Quote: Kaa

Whose? In Ukraine, the main thing here is rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr revolution, because nothing else can. As there Egoza writes: "If there is no revolution, then Ukraine has no future" And why?

Good day, dear !!!
What I am categorically against is against the revolution! Two revolutions in the last hundred years have exhausted our limit for at least the next thousand years. And for Russia and for Ukraine, I do not distinguish between them. For me, Ukraine is the same native country as Russia. And we have common troubles, no matter how hard individuals try to prove the opposite. Both Russia and Ukraine need an OWNER who will take full responsibility. Unfortunately, at the moment, such a person is not visible. I don't know much about the Ukrainian political forces, so I can't say if you are looking for such a candidacy. As for Russia, no candidates have been seen yet. If Putin was 15 years younger, he might have succeeded. Now he simply won't have enough time to rake the Augean stables. Age. Of course he will have time to do something. At least now it is very likely that the next year is 1938. The year of the big sweep. Some hints for this are already quite visible. I think the Fas team will be the arrest of Serdyukov. But he will obviously not have enough time to carry out "industrialization - 2". And then everything will depend on the receiver. Once Putin has already made a mistake with the receiver. I really hope that there will be no second mistake. As for Ukraine, our future is in unity. Otherwise, we have no future.

[Kaa]

Quote: DYMITRY

Both Russia and Ukraine need an OWNER who will take full responsibility. .. I can’t say whether such a candidacy is visible in your country. As for Russia, no candidates are yet visible

All this would be funny ... In general, we are not politicians, but mercenaries of the "labor oligarchy", both from the right and from the left, both in the West and in the East. How is it in the song, "Hope. Tochka. Ru."? And about Putin ... Stalin was 66 when he began to raise the post-war USSR from devastation, there would be will and desire. Let him at least clean up the GDP ... and then we'll see.

[work566]

In 1989-90 I visited Odessa and Chisinau. Both of these cities were sealed with leaflets stating that Russia was robbing them, that they should separate themselves, so they were right there
heal in a European way. Many believed this. My friends and I then said to myself: That's it! USSR end! There will be nothing good with such moods.
Now I go to Ukrainian sites and see the same thing: In Customs
the alliance with these Russians will die, but we won’t go! People! You yourself are responsible for all. There is nothing to blame on someone.

[AlNikolaich]

Quote: DYMITRY

So I'm two-handed for dictatorship

Surprise dear. Talk about professional management in a state where knowledgeable, able and responsible people are at the posts, and you yourself call it DICTATURE ??? !!! Get well soon!

[DYMITRY]

Quote: AlNikolaich

Talk about professional management in a state where knowledgeable, able and responsible people are at the posts, and you yourself call it DICTATURE ??? !!! Get well soon!

Correct me dear. I don’t know what to call a social system where appointments to any power positions are formalized by an order from above, bypassing all pseudo-democratic procedures such as elections. And unfortunately I do not know another way of getting into the power of professionals.

[Ross]

DYMITRY,
That's why earlier there were castes. From 7 years, children were taught according to their abilities. And then they chose to control only from the corresponding caste. The main Aryan principle.

[Kaa]

Quote: Ross

And then they chose to control only from the corresponding caste.

Putin from the caste ...

[AlNikolaich]

Quote: Kaa

Putin from the caste ...

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[Kaa]

Quote: AlNikolaich

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All the same "bloody KGB", there is either smart or dead, in the days of them ...

[Was mammoth]

Quote: AlNikolaich

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I remember, on demobilization, they agitated to enter the KGB school. They told about how they taught there. The first course all together, further on abilities, each year selecting the best in separate groups. In separate groups - on the basis of the same selection. In short, the most stupid are osobists in parts.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Ross

And then they chose to control only from the corresponding caste

Yeah, kings, nobles .... The rest are rednecks for working in the field and at the factory. Passed already.

[Was mammoth]

Don't you think that now there are oversupply of managers with "formations" in power, but there are no decent people there?
I think that an honest and decent person with the help of consultants will benefit the country, and a villain with education will think only about his pockets and harm.
Here is just one problem: how do honest people get into power?

[Goga]

The result of staging a "well-fed belly" above our heads is in front of our eyes - the last decades in our country have been lived according to the "ideology" of unrestrained consumption. Life according to the principle everyone should snatch from life as much as he can - this is not really life, but animal existence. But it is precisely this "ideology" that is intensely preached by all the media, by the way, on the same topic, today's article here - "Nobody needs us." If we do not urgently put in order at least the state TV channels and introduce certain restrictions on the "web", we will really lose the "3rd world" ...

[Trance]

Goga,If we do not urgently put in order at least the state TV channels and introduce certain restrictions on the "web", we will really lose the "3rd world" ...

Igor, good afternoon
He who seeks will find. For the objective collection of information you have to visit a lot of resources. But for the soul, to each his own ...
Age probably leaves its mark, I personally like the SPAS TV channel http://www.corbina.tv/tv/spas and the site http://kaz-spas.ru/

In general, it is clear that Elena wants to convey, thanks for the article

[Karabin]

Quote: Gogh

If we do not urgently put in order at least the state TV channels and introduce certain restrictions on the "web", we will really lose the "3rd world"

The issue of ideology is very complex, and can hardly be solved only by control over the media and the Internet. In the Union, the media and TV, in particular, were under the full control of the ideologists of the CPSU. And where is the Union now? The autocracy also had an ideology supported by Orthodoxy, but this did not save it. Moreover, both the Union and the autocracy fell without suffering a military defeat. We, as the Soviet people, in the first case, and the "God-bearing" people in the second, ourselves allowed to dismantle both the Soviet system and autocracy. You can blame as much as you like on the treachery and subversive activities of the West and the East, brand traitors and degenerates with shame - these were, are and will be. But neither the subversive activities of external forces, nor the presence of fifth columns are capable of destroying what is valuable for the majority. Apparently, the Soviet system and autocracy were not at their last stages a value for the majority, because the people did not rise to their defense. And if a certain, not very large part of the people fought for autocracy with weapons in their hands, then the Soviet system fell without a single shot. And not numerous party members, neither the army nor the KGB stood up to defend the "Soviet Motherland". Any ideology is dead if it does not unite the majority.

[Z.A.M.]

Karabin
I agree with the author in many ways.
"But this is where the gentlemen 'freedom-thirsting' are cunning (or do not understand). They did not get rid of ideology. They simply stopped hiding the ideology that they had cherished in their souls for many years." I agree with that. There were farmers and speculators in the union, a small part. Now these are businessmen, hucksters, business people - the majority. Maybe they wanted the whole, past, life to be like that ... Just SOMETHING, they were not allowed to be guided by this. Maybe "something"Was that an ideology? .. Probably yes. Since then (the USSR) still a lot was paid to positive moral and moral qualities. At least in the upbringing of children, at least in maintaining adults ...
Per article plus.
But what I can’t agree with is "Free thinking is thinking not squeezed into the framework of limiting patterns." There can be no free thinking. Since thinking, probably from the very first seconds or minutes of the birth of a child, immediately begins to be limited to some kind of framework: physiological, emotional, ideological, everyday - even the weather and ... a horoscope.

[Egoza]

Quote: Z.A.M.

"Free thinking is thinking not squeezed into the framework of limiting patterns."

I agree with you, but this quote is the opinion of venerable modern psychologists.
"Well, maybe such an opinion"

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Quote: Karabin

Any ideology is dead if it does not unite the majority.

Right. But I add that the goal of ideology should be the movement of society to any goals and ideals.
The ideology of consumption cannot be considered an ideology, although it is preached by the majority. The ideology of consumption divides society into individual consumers - each for himself and each blacksmith of HIS happiness.
We need an ideology that unites the majority, and not corrodes it. There must be a common Higher Goal. Consumerism cannot be such a Higher goal.

[old rocket man]

Quote: Gogh

The result of staging a "well-fed belly" above our heads is in front of our eyes

Quote: Gogh

If we do not urgently put in order at least the state TV channels and introduce certain restrictions on the "web", we will really lose the "3rd World" ..

Greetings, Igor, you say the truth, but who will put the authorities in order?, The true beliefs of the horde of officials and deputies are far from the declared ones, and the melancholy in the comments about empty shelves in stores under socialism speaks of how deeply this ideology of consumption has penetrated to the people. It seems to me that we should abandon the concept of democracy, and go to the ideology of "social justice" with the most severe social control.

[Was mammoth]

"... lays flowers at the Eternal Flame"

Meanwhile, our officials "turn on" the Eternal Flame for three days. Patriots for three days. no money because does it cost 300-400 thousand? True, they do not specify where such calculations come from. Even if this is so, then the memory of the dead should be state policy. And the financing of the maintenance of monuments should be budgeted. But, see, they have a different ideology.

[old rocket man]

But on the "anniversary" fireworks are, although there costs at once, like 10 years of eternal flame

[fenix57]

+++ Probably Ukrainian nationalists have not read the wonderful poem by V. Mayakovsky "What is good and what is bad." It's a pity.

[Alpha-omega]

What are you? How can they touch books in Russian?

[domokl]

Any ideology is only worth something if it is based on the aspirations of at least part of society. We talk about the readiness to defend our homeland, our ideas with arms in our hands, but at the same time we refuse this right to the same nationalists ... But why ? Yes, simply because we seem to be more right, the most right of all ...
The ideological crisis in the post-Soviet countries began when people stopped seeing the light at the end of the tunnel ... People lost their dreams ... Religion gave paradise a dream after earthly torment, communism gave paradise, but on earth and for grandchildren (probably in the hope that grandfathers will die by then). And what now?
If there is no dream, a person turns into a consumer ... and the meaning of life becomes about the same as that of an animal ... Satisfaction of primary needs (Sorry, I had to weave Maslow's theory) ...

[baltika-18]

Quote: domokl

And what now?

Yes, by the way. Can anyone give an answer to those three questions formulated in Lena's article, regarding our country and the current moment?
What does ideology offer?
Who is it based on?
Who is the opponent?
And is there any ideology in our state?

[domokl]

Quote: baltika-18

And is there any ideology in our state?

That’s the problem, now there’s nothing .... Why suffer for what? For what risk? This is a question of a national idea ... It’s disgusting, but even in war, Russian soldiers always remember that they can be betrayed at any time and at any level ...
The Americans at one time found such an option as the spread of democracy in the world .. But for us it is unacceptable ... We now see convulsive attempts to revive patriotism as ideas .. Only attempts fail because we are internally divided ... Worker and businessman these, alas, are different Russians ... And they are lobbying for opposing interests ...

[baltika-18]

Quote: domokl

That’s the problem, now there’s nothing

And ideology is the basis of the state. This is why the state itself was created and the state machine works.

Quote: domokl

This is a matter of national idea.

I must also admit that we do not have a national idea.

Quote: domokl

The worker and businessman are, alas, different Russians ... And they are lobbying for opposing interests.

How to combine? This is a question of questions.

[bask]

Quote: baltika-18

And ideology is the foundation of the state. This is for the sake of

I would say. IDEOLOGY, IT'S A STEM OF THE STATE.
And without a rod everything hangs and rotes.

[ultra]

Quote: domokl

.A worker and businessman, alas, are different Russians ... And they are lobbying for opposing interests ..

There are different workers and different businessmen!

[bask]

Quote: baltika-18

Does it give an answer to those three questions formulated in Lena's article, regarding our country and the current moment?

And at the moment, baltika We have NEODARVINISM in Russia. - He doesn’t need the weak and sick. SURVIVES-dumb and brazen.
That’s the whole ideology, also involved in total theft of state funds.
And from this pit, I don’t see a way out ...

[old rocket man]

Quote: baltika-18

How to combine? This is a question of questions

To paraphrase Kozma Prutkov, I’ll say that it’s impossible to combine the unfeasible, but compel a smaller part of society respect the interests of the majority

Quote: ultra

Different are workers and different businessmen

Unfortunately, exactly are, but very rarely, because there are no rules without exceptions

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Quote: Old Rocketman

you can make a smaller part of society respect the interests of the majority

How? How can we make respect for the interests of the majority if the essence of state policy is to enrich the minority at the expense of the majority?
Young billionaire Polonsky yelled at the presentation - "Anyone who does not have a billion can go to hell!"

[taseka]

"a system of conceptually formed views and ideas expressing the interests of various social classes, groups, societies" - Now money is making ideology in Russia - "The one who pays is the one who orders the tune!" or power as such, having a media information resource.

[old rocket man]

taseka,

Quote: taseka

"The one who pays is the one who orders the tune!" or the power as such, which has a media information resource.

Yes, this is the place to be.
We can only hope for the "role of the individual in history", it is time for a sort of "dissident in power" to appear who will launch this car in the right direction. I really want to hope that Putin will turn out to be just such a "dark horse" in our ruling elite After all, is it not harmful to dream?

[AlNikolaich]

Quote: Old Rocketman

I really want to hope that Putin will turn out to be just such a "dark horse"

Hope you want it. Over the 12 years, the Eltsin mess has ended, Russia is showing itself well in foreign policy, and a vertical of power has been created.
On the other hand, there was a stagnation in the circulation of power cadres (under Yeltsin, changes were very frequent). As a result, modern power cadres are recruited not from the point of view of professionalism, but according to the principle of kinship and personal loyalty. There is practically no circulation of them, and during their "work" these cadres dashingly master bribes and budget cutting. If they are changed, then they are shuffled into adjacent chairs! United Russia serves as a refuge for officials, and their protection from sins! The administrative resource is on their side! The legislature is made up of them! The judiciary is the same. A typical example: from criminal cases related to bribes, only 20% of the accused receive a conviction! And 80% are great! And free!
And these are Putin’s people ?????
There is a version that the good king does not do anything, because he is not aware of what is happening .... Beautiful, but hard to believe ....
And another version that Putin was with them, and so everything was planned ...
So where is the truth?
Answer Vladimir Vladimirovich!

[djon3volta]

the picture is about opposition leaders rushing to power.

[Phoenix bird]

Quote: baltika-18

And ideology is the basis of the state. This is why the state itself was created and the state machine works.

Quote: domokl

The problem is that now there is nothing .... For the sake of what to suffer? For the sake of what to risk? This is a question of the national idea.

For starters, read the Russian Constitution!
Article 7
1. The Russian Federation is a social state whose policy is aimed at creating conditions that ensure a decent life and free development of a person.

If there are difficulties with understanding, then for a simple explanation - take care of your loved ones. No loved ones - take care of your neighbors. The simplest idea. (Ideology)
Or do you care about relatives and neighbors? Hands itch to fight with someone? Is an ideology of war needed?

[NOBODY EXCEPT US]

But the constitution is not a decree for us, Vova rules us ...... by definition, Girls are 2 years old for dancing in a shopping center, and dagam for extinguishing the eternal flame of our memory for 13 days of admin.rest ...... learn to steer And no one does not know what our ideology is now, we live on the principle of a chicken coop "push your neighbor, and shit the bottom" ........................

[Galinanp]

In the Russian state at the moment there is no clearly expressed ideological concept of rallying and developing the people. The development of which is now engaged in the Izborsk Club. The foundation of the new ideology should be the restoration of the glorious past traditions of our people, the Great and glorious victories of our grandfathers and fathers, velikodusnost and selflessness, that is, that appearance of a Russian person that was formed by Orthodoxy. which is being erased from the memory of the Russian people over the past twenty years. And instead, the Western type of consumer, alien to the Russians, the spirit of predatory gain, the Western, dumb, full-time democrat, moron-shopkeeper, is forcibly introduced, which obviously gradually erases on the mental level the name of our people - RUSSIAN.

[vladsolo56]

Orthodoxy was good when Russia was almost completely illiterate, poorly educated. Nowadays, religion is also the destiny of the illiterate. But there are not so many of them now. Therefore, religion cannot be a unifying idea. rather, on the contrary, judging by the disputes on the network. Patriotism, too, cannot unite, for example, officials, oligarchs, just entrepreneurs and workers, employees, and pensioners. Russia is at a crossroads: those who committed the collapse of the USSR, those who are now pouring mud on it, they even have no idea how to further build domestic politics in the country. Multinational society is heating up every day, the gap between rich and poor is also growing. How to lie to a person about the fact that this is the ideal model of the state when so many more saw a better life.

[Galinanp]

vladsolo56 RU Today, 15:21 PM
Orthodoxy was good when Russia was almost completely illiterate, poorly educated. Nowadays, religion is also the destiny of the illiterate.
You probably see around you what you want to see. You will probably find it unnecessary, but take the trouble to familiarize yourself with the social and age-related statistical picture of modern Russian Orthodoxy. It presents people with a scientific degree, people with higher education. I am surprised that you have not added the stamp "religion of old women" used by atheists. Orthodox Christians under the age of 50 are more than half.

[vladsolo56]

And what does this prove? one might think you don’t know that most of the youth are kidding now, it’s fashionable that they pretend they believe that tomorrow another fashion will come and they will be carried away by another. And who believes sincerely, well, there were always enough illiterate people and now there are more of them again.

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I did not evaluate the article. On the one hand, the correct message, and on the other, the feeling that the author is not negotiating something.
Criticism of the ideology of consumerism and poorly concealed desire not to change anything, while maintaining stability.
Finished off the last phrase:

Make your choice, gentlemen!

Here is our "ideology" - if there is a "LORD", then who are all the others?

[Egoza]

Quote: Normal

but on the other, the feeling that the author is not concluding something.

I am a Stalinist. I speak about it directly and openly. I consider myself a Soviet person. But since One "tovarisch" has already sent me an angry indignation with my views, decided not to impose my opinion in the article, but to let everyone make their choice.

Quote: Normal

poorly concealed desire not to change anything, while maintaining stability.

No, no. I would love to return the times when officials knew that for every bribe, unfulfilled promise, theft, they would go to trial. For the law is one for all! I would like to return the times when the government was BELIEVED. And if the government promised the people something, then this was done. I would like to return the times when people knew in the name of what they are working hard, I saw a real increase in their well-being ALL! not individuals! Finally, so that clubs, libraries, clubs, sports sections would still work in the villages ..... But all this is possible only under the socialism of the Stalinist model. IMHO

Quote: Normal

if there is a "LORD," then who are all the others?

“Gentlemen! I did not make a reservation, I tell you: gentlemen! To the workers, to the workers! You, peasants, peasant women! You, red soldiers and glorious sailors! You are now the masters and true gentlemen of our new homeland! (film “Baltic Deputy”, professor Polezhaev)

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Quote: Egoza

I am a Stalinist. I speak about this directly and openly. I consider myself a Soviet person.

Sorry, but it seemed to me that you are a supporter of GDP. Am I mistaken?

Quote: Egoza

I would love to return the times when officials knew that for every bribe, unfulfilled promise, theft, they would go to trial. For the law is the same for everyone! .......... I would like to return the times when people knew in the name of what they are working hard, I saw a real increase in their well-being ALL! not individuals! Finally, so that clubs, libraries, clubs, sports sections still work in the villages ....

Quote: Egoza

the film “Baltic Deputy”, professor Polezhaev

Alas, now gentlemen are not workers and peasants, not soldiers and sailors. Now gentlemen, it's ...... sorry, but I did not pick up decent words.
And still, my gratitude to you.

[Egoza]

Quote: Normal

Sorry, but it seemed to me that you are a supporter of GDP. Am I mistaken?

1. It seems to me indecent to criticize the President of the Russian Federation as a resident of another country. But I would be sincerely grateful to him if he corrected the following:
The bombing was the speech of Viktor Ilyukhin at the plenary meeting of the State Duma of the Russian Federation on June 16, 2010. He said that he had information that needs to be carefully checked through a parliamentary investigation, that in the early nineties of the last century a powerful team of specialists was created under the roof of the administration of President Yeltsin to forge historical documents of the Soviet and mainly Stalin period. For one purpose, to discredit the Soviet past and equate Stalinism with fascism. That is what the authors of the shown fake achieve.
“The group included employees of the Russian special services, as well as the 6th Institute of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the country. It was located in the premises of the former dachas of the Central Committee of the CPSU in the village of Nagorny in the suburbs. It is possible that the group or its parts work to this day. The activity of the group coincided with the period of declassification of documents of the Politburo and the Central Committee of the CPSU, which was carried out at the beginning of the 90's by a government commission led by Mikhail Poltoranin.
According to available information, the forgers on genuine 1940's letterheads technically executed hundreds, thousands of fake pages, and they were placed in archival files and documents. The so-called note by L. Beria of March 1940, in which he allegedly asks the Politburo of the CPSU (b) to give consent to the shooting of 27 of thousands of Polish prisoners of war, is falsified. We present expert opinion materials confirming this. An extract from the decision of the Politburo of the party, allegedly giving consent to the execution of the Poles, was also falsified. We are presenting an expert study on the fabrication of documents on alleged cooperation between the NKVD of the USSR and Gestapo Hitler Germany.
Russian archival documents today "walk" virtually across Europe. At our disposal there are fake seals, stamps, imprints of the signatures of Stalin, Beria and others, as well as blank forms of 30-40 years, on which fakes were prepared. I present to you the volume with archival documents - this is the correspondence of the NKVD, the NKGB, the People’s Commissariat of Defense of the USSR with Stalin. It was formed with only one purpose - to legalize several false documents, including a note made on behalf of the General Staff of the Red Army. Unfortunately, the legalization took place. ”
December 7 2010 Viktor Ivanovich, Honored Lawyer of the Russian Federation, Doctor of Science, Professor, sent an open letter to the President of the Russian Federation D. Medvedev.
Little of, On 18 on June 2012, the European Court made a sensational decision that the “documents” provided by Gorbachev and Yeltsin, indicating that Stalin and the Soviet side were to blame for the execution of tens of thousands of Polish officers near Katyn, were fake.
Of course, all our very-most “truthful” media outlets after the courts did not notice and illuminate this world-class sensation. What played into the hands of all crooks from science, archival affairs and other things.
Just imagine the whole comic of this action. These adventurers got into a mess with "wet" stamps on genuine letterheads, typewritten letters, and "genuine" murals of politicians to our truth-seekers. Maybe not for nothing.
http://www.vremia.ua/rubrics/problemy/3215.php
Could Russia in the person of the president not justify herself to the Poles!

[Bigriver]

In my humble opinion, we often complain too much about the lack of ideology. The primary state of society, people, socio-economic and mental prerequisites, etc.
It is impossible to instill an ideology into any single people if the people do not feel its relevance and truth. If the substantive part of ideology does not fit either with traditional values ​​and culture, or with an operational request for change.
A smart and far-sighted government will be able to "catch" the social demand of society, formulate it and start moving in the required direction. This is Stalin's genius. And this is the bankruptcy of both Lenin and Trotsky (see the adjacent article :))
The power of the USSR went overboard with social values ​​... and the pendulum swung in the other direction. We bought into personal property, individual values, ephemeral personal success and wealth. It seemed - eh-x-x - !!! But it turned out - this is not ours: (((This is not our song.
Society is now significantly shifting toward greater socialization from false democracy and liberalism. The latter, not only in a patriotic audience, has become an abusive word. Yes, the power is late. But, apparently, she feels what is happening.
In a word .., you have to deal with yourself, children :))
And power ... Che power: /// Either it will correspond to us - good and right, or it will become different. Other people will come.

[Phoenix bird]

Quote: BigRiver

In a word .., you have to deal with yourself, children :)) And power ... Che power: /// Either it will correspond to us - good and right, or it will become different. Other people will come.

Words of a normal person. And who does not want to devote himself to the family and daily worries, he covers up his laziness and irresponsibility with the absence of ideology.
Do not like what the government offers, go to power and offer your ideas, and the people will listen to you. Maybe he will find some good ideas from you. Who knows.

[Egoza]

Quote: Normal

Sorry, but it seemed to me that you are a supporter of GDP. Am I mistaken?

continuation of the post above
2. I would also be grateful to him if he could "convince" our president to join the Customs Union. Then the internal problems within the country would be solved much faster. (Well, if they were divided, they were so divided, and they would not know grief from the Nazis)
3. I would have admired him if he emphatically "reminded" that
“In 1954, not Crimea, but the Crimean region was transferred to Ukraine. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? And the fact that Sevastopol has not been part of the Crimean region since 1948. The fact itself and the documents of the transfer of Sevastopol to Ukraine did not exist and does not exist in nature. That is, Ukraine began to possess Sevastopol without any legal grounds in 1991 without any legal grounds (except for the fact that the city organization of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union - banned by that time - in the Communist Party of Ukraine (also banned) is the basis. Right always follows force - and force have changed significantly since 1991. So Ukraine now has neither the right to Sevastopol, nor the power to hold it. Therefore, it should not wake up smartly while it is quiet. Anyone who can even strain his mind a little will come to this conclusion. the elite never differed in intelligence, compensating for its absence with cunning. "(c)
Honestly, from the beginning of his election I really hoped that at last they would pay attention to the people. But ... hopes have melted away. Therefore, I can only rejoice that he at least somehow raised the Russian Federation in foreign policy.

[zao74]

Not all at once, it will come to Sevastopol.

[cartridge]

Some people want only two things: live and eat, and live as long as possible, and eat as sweet as possible. That's their whole ideology