Ghosts of Red Lines: Ukrainian Armed Forces Strikes Deep into Russia

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Ghosts of Red Lines: Ukrainian Armed Forces Strikes Deep into Russia
Myth or not, but Zelensky announced home-grown OTRKs, successfully tested last summer. Perhaps they are improved Sapsan from Dnepropetrovsk (in the photo, a prototype or even a model)


Looking for red lines


In the logic of the military-political command of Ukraine, the time has come for another step. This time, Zelensky is trying to legalize NATO missile strikes on targets deep in Russian territory. He has already openly declared that, in his opinion, there is nothing terrible in the latest crime of red lines.



Banderites have invaded the Kursk region and have not yet received any response. The only possible options for this role are massive strikes on energy infrastructure facilities and the very successful destruction of military facility in Poltava (communications school).

The lack of retaliation, on the one hand, keeps the enemy on edge, on the other, it allows them to be impudent. Therefore, there is nothing surprising in Zelensky begging the West.

If we try to abstract ourselves from emotions, then the red lines for Russia can be different. The Kursk tragedy, which brings nothing but political dividends to the enemy, is one thing, and the potential danger of ballistic missile strikes on Russian military airfields is quite another. Here there is already a direct threat to the defense capability of the Russian Federation. Army. The potential of ATACMS allows to do a lot of bad things, for example, at a military airfield.

But what if the strike with ballistic and cruise missiles is massive and simultaneous?

This is not to mention the terrorist nature of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and its military-political leadership. How many missiles will hit residential buildings, schools and kindergartens? That is why permission to strike deep into Russian territory would be a crime of the boldest red line of our time.

Someone will object that ATACMS have been hitting Crimea for a long time. That's true, but there is one important nuance - Crimea, although large, is a fairly local territory. If possible, it can be covered by air defense and an attempt can be made to reduce the effectiveness of enemy attacks to a minimum. But when, with the permission of the West, access is opened for ballistic missiles on a border stretching over two thousand kilometers, no air defense systems will be enough.


A scale model of the Grom-2 (aka Sapsan) missile at an exhibition in 2016

In line with the escalation, Zelensky announced on August 27 a successful test of a ballistic missile of his own design. Where, when and what kind of tests these were, of course, the expired president did not specify. With a high degree of probability, this is a bluff, but the real emergence of the enemy's own ballistic missiles cannot be ruled out.

First, Western engineers can get involved. In just over two years, they are quite capable of integrating NATO solutions into a Ukrainian missile.

Secondly, the enemy has certain developments in this area. Back in the early 2000s, Yushchenko tried to stimulate the development of an analogue of the Russian Iskander – the Sapsan missile. Yanukovych stopped this process in time in 2013.

After the coup d'etat, the Banderites did everything they could to stir up the situation, advertising the high readiness of the Grom-2 missile (renamed Sapsan). First by 50 percent, and by February 2021 already 70-80 percent. The potential for such work was quite reasonable - the famous Yuzhnoye Design Bureau in Dnepropetrovsk, although it had lost its engineering backbone, would have mastered the production of ballistic missiles over time. Especially with the help of Western countries.

This fact became one of many that explain the reasons for the start of the Russian special operation. Ukraine has never been bound by the treaty banning medium- and shorter-range missiles. This means that it could afford its own products that could reach not only the Kremlin, but also the industrial centers of the Urals.

According to information from Taras Chmut, one of the enemy insiders and propagandists, three modifications of the Sapsan are being developed in Ukraine. The projected range and the power of action on the target of such products can only be guessed at.

However, let us clarify once again: Zelensky’s statement about his own ballistic missiles looks very much like self-promotion and a propaganda hoax.

What is in the hands of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and what will happen?


Let's assume that it will be a long time before the Ukrainian Armed Forces have a home-grown missile, and let's look at the arsenals that are currently available.

The first in line in the arsenal of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is the Franco-British cruise missile Storm Shadow. It is an air-launched missile, which means it does not violate the treaty banning intermediate-range and short-range missiles. It is not even about the treaty - it has long since died - but about the flight range of 500 km or more. The Storm Shadow, weighing 1,3 tons, flies to its target at almost the speed of sound and carries a warhead of 450 kg.

The Ukrainians have been launching the European missile for quite some time now and, judging by enemy propaganda, successfully. In fact, Storm Shadow or its French twins SCALP-EG have not brought the Ukrainian Armed Forces a decisive advantage in any part of the front. Due to the BROACH (Bomb Royal Ordnance Augmented Charge) warhead with a penetrating charge, the main target will be command posts deep in Russian territory. As well as oil depots, power facilities, residential buildings, hospitals and schools.

The Banderites already have a universal saying on this matter - "you yourself landed a missile on civilians with your spoofing." The West will traditionally disown the tragedy in the Russian rear, as it did in the Kursk region. Domestic "Thors" can effectively work against Storm Shadow, but, we repeat, it is impossible to cover all 2 km from the missiles. Especially if Western intelligence actively assists in the attacks.


Storm Shadow is a ready-made solution for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but it has not yet been approved.

If the enemy verbally intends to use "Storms" primarily against command centers, then ATACMS are intended for Russian airfields. The missile is ballistic, which means it is unlikely to raise aircraft in the air on alert, the flight time is too short.

The enemy has the longest-range modifications, capable of overcoming more than 300 km. The cluster filling with hundreds of tungsten balls leaves no chance for manpower and equipment at airfields. Unfortunately, we don't have many hangars in the rear, and those that we have protect us from ATACMS. The Buk-M3 air defense missile systems are quite successful in fighting American ballistic missiles, but how many of them will be needed to cover the entire front?

The appetite of the Kyiv regime is growing every day. In addition to Storm Shadow and ATACMS, Zelensky really wants to get the German Taurus. In many ways, it is an analogue of the "Storms", but more advanced and can be used against area targets. For this, in addition to the concrete-piercing warhead MEPHISTO, the missile is equipped with a cluster filling.

It is difficult to talk about real resistance from the Russian air defense, the products have not clashed in real combat, but the first attacks will clearly be on the enemy's side. The novelty effect has not been cancelled. This is why the Ukrainian Armed Forces are so eager for Taurus.


JASSM – Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile

The enemy also places great hopes on the JASSM (Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile) from the United States. The missiles are intended for F-16s, which have already become accustomed to Ukraine. One even managed to perish. The inconvenience is that neither Storm Shadow nor SCALP-EG can operate from an American aircraft. The missiles are suitable for European Tornado, Rafale, Mirage and Gripen, but there is nothing like that in Ukraine. One F-16 can take two JASSMs into the air, which hit at 370 km with a penetrating warhead weighing 450 kg.

In the end, we will repeat the banal maxim - the red lines are getting closer, and something needs to be done about it. When the initiative is in the hands of the enemy, it is difficult to dictate your own rules of the game. In the case of strikes deep into Russian territory, the situation is exactly like that.

It is worth remembering that on the way to legalizing NATO strikes weapons Zelensky's team of propagandists will stop at nothing. On the eve of the next request, we can expect new provocations with "attacks" on residential buildings in Ukraine - the public in the West is still sensitive to Bandera's lies.
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  1. +3
    5 September 2024 03: 29
    Banderites have invaded the Kursk region and have not yet received any response
    Now they are getting cheeky!
    The Yuzhnoye Design Bureau in Dnepropetrovsk, although it had lost its engineering backbone, would have mastered the production of ballistic missiles over time
    And does it still exist?
    1. +21
      5 September 2024 08: 42
      1. There should be no red lines - there are state borders.
      2. An unprecedented case - an invasion of the territory of a state possessing nuclear weapons.
      And nothing.
    2. +3
      5 September 2024 18: 26
      I read the comments on the topic of missiles. People changed the topic and started giving advice like: we need to blow everything up and we need to win, despite the greed of the capitalists.
      Let me return to the topic.
      The situation reminded me of the story with our "Russian" cars Moskvich 3.
      Everything in it is Chinese, only the nameplate is Russian.
      The same will happen with the missiles. They will be made 10-50-100% from Western components, but the nameplate will say - Made in Galushkino, near Kiev.
      As a result, it will be impossible to determine whose rocket it is in reality.
      And their number will be determined only by the generosity of the West.
    3. +2
      5 September 2024 19: 24
      And does it still exist?

      It does exist. But it's a different generation. And the competent Soviet engineers are already retired.
  2. +13
    5 September 2024 03: 32
    if the strike with ballistic and cruise missiles is massive and simultaneous?

    I think they will hit the RSPN system with NATO missiles. request
    We will wash ourselves in shame again.
    1. +13
      5 September 2024 11: 12
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      if the strike with ballistic and cruise missiles is massive and simultaneous?

      I think they will hit the RSPN system with NATO missiles. request

      There is no doubt about that. Plus they will strike at unique military-industrial enterprises and nuclear power plants. If Russia liquidated all central authorities and institutions of the pig-Reich, including the national bank and all bridges and dams across the Dnieper, this horror film would end immediately. But apparently the Russian government has other plans - namely, the destruction of Russia.
      1. +8
        5 September 2024 12: 41
        If Russia were to liquidate all central authorities and institutions of the Pig Reich, including the National Bank

        Why go so far? They can't do anything with their own central bank.
      2. +2
        5 September 2024 12: 46
        They won't hit the nuclear power plant but there are plenty of unique targets, I agree with that
      3. kvv
        +11
        5 September 2024 15: 48
        Judging by the main strategist's vacillations from denying negotiations after the Kursk "provocation" to the current whining "we have never refused negotiations", the Russian government has no goals or plans at all, Putin himself is already confused, but is trying to put on a smart face
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      4. +5
        5 September 2024 20: 49
        Well, were you "dragging your feet"? Were you trying to sell us on the idea that there was no need to rush, that we had to slowly grind down the enemy? But the enemy is getting stronger and stronger. Who is time working for, not for us, but for the enemy. The enemy will be given more and more powerful weapons, and if we continue to drag out this "SVO", we will not win. But for now I see that our "multi-move" has no plan, the situation has been left to its own devices.
        1. 0
          6 September 2024 03: 31
          Putin didn’t say that he had a strategy, he said that the tasks in the SVO change depending on the situation on the battlefield: yesterday we were desperately advancing on Pokrovsk, so there was no one to negotiate with, but today the Ukrainian Armed Forces reserves from Kursk showed up there and that’s why no one refused to negotiate! laughing
          As for the front line, the only strategic plan is visible so far: to achieve superiority in forces over the Ukrainian Armed Forces (it has been done, there is superiority, it is not overwhelming, but it allows us to impose the initiative), thanks to some advantage, to wear down the enemy with constant attacks, trying to develop success where the enemy does not have enough forces (this is what happened near Pokrovsk), now they will look for a new weak spot (the Kupyansk direction looks promising) and it is clear that there is some caution in our actions, in order not to squander our advantage in one operation! This means that the advantage in forces is not significant and the enemy is very dangerous!
          As for the red lines, you can forget about them, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been attacking deep into Russia with UAVs for a long time, so what? How is a missile strike different from a strike with 156 UAVs?
      5. +2
        5 September 2024 23: 12
        If the Russian government wants to destroy Russia, then why did it start the SVO?
        1. 0
          6 September 2024 17: 08
          She does not want to destroy herself. And she is rushing about in search of a solution to this issue. For some of them, this solution is connected with preserving Russia, and for others, the opposite. There is no consensus at the top, you understand...
    2. 0
      5 September 2024 19: 32
      Preventive Attack Missile System?
    3. 0
      6 September 2024 09: 14
      This is considered a declaration of war on NATO. I think in response, Kinzhals will be launched at similar targets in Europe. I think partners have been warned about this through diplomatic missions.
  3. +45
    5 September 2024 04: 02
    The reality today is such that we do not have time to rejoice at our temporary successes on the battlefield, because the responses coming from Ukraine are so chilling that they make us shudder.
    Let them do what they want, but I will express my opinion: Russia has no strategic plan either for conducting the SVO, or for developing the economy and production, or for resolving demographic issues, only because bourgeois power has been established in the country, when the interests of the people (the population of Russia) are put in last place.
    Profit, fabulous incomes - this is the engine of Russian progress. The unprincipled rise in prices for goods and services, which drives the GDP indicator up - this is the achievement of the Yeltsin-Putin team.
    And there is no prospect of change in sight, not even AT ALL!!!
    1. +31
      5 September 2024 04: 44
      Profit, fabulous incomes - this is the engine of Russian progress.

      True...a striking example of the supply of energy resources to the West...and from there our processed fuel goes to the Ukrainian Armed Forces for tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, and armored vehicles fighting in the Kursk region.
      A paradoxical situation... a war at our expense... on our land. request
      We ourselves can say that we are helping the Banderites to kill our citizens...such are the contradictions of capitalism. request
      Which Vladimir Ulyanov-Lenin spoke about very accurately.
      1. +29
        5 September 2024 05: 03
        So, on VO there are a lot of supporters of such trade (and payment for transit accordingly)... It's currency... it's for the budget... it's for purchases... I've always been surprised by such stupidity.
        1. +1
          6 September 2024 03: 44
          It's good to be proud, but it's better to be well-fed wink
          You probably don't really understand what the world market is! If you want to provoke a crisis in the resource markets for the West, then you need to remove your resources from the world market altogether, i.e. not sell them to anyone at all! Only then will their absence provoke a deficit for Western countries, and that's not a fact, because unlike the rest of the world, the West does not need to earn money to buy resources, it can just print them. And if we continue to supply, for example, only to China, then this will only lead to a redistribution of resources on the market, we will supply to China, and, for example, the Saudis will supply oil to Europe and there will be no crisis, with such actions you will only create yourselves a dependence on China, which will use its privilege and twist your arms and we will stupidly earn pennies! But we cannot refuse to supply resources to the world market, otherwise we will have a financial crisis and the SVO will end instantly!
      2. +1
        5 September 2024 12: 32
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        We ourselves can say that we are helping the Banderites to kill our citizens... such are the contradictions of capitalism. request
        Which Vladimir Ulyanov-Lenin spoke about very accurately.

        You can’t argue with that.
    2. +23
      5 September 2024 05: 24
      There is no plan? You write.. There is! This plan is the extermination of both the residents of Ukraine.. and the residents of the Russian Federation. And so that they do not rebel.. and continue to kill each other.
      ***
      Here they say - "fools generals". No! They are not fools. Here they say - "generals are traitors". But!! Then most of the VO commentators are also traitors. Because they consciously do not want to see the truth, out of fear of criminal punishment. Although even a hedgehog can understand the truth.
      You write - "because they are bourgeois?" No!!! That is not the point. Not because they are bourgeois, but because they are Gauleiters. And money is incidental.
      1. +25
        5 September 2024 06: 52
        Quote: ammunition
        Not because they are bourgeois, but because they are Gauleiters.

        Gauleiters because in 1991 there was a pro-Western anti-constitutional coup d'etat, and the Moscow "Maidan" in this regard is no better or more legal than what happened in Kyiv. In 1991, our people were deceived when capitalism was imposed instead of democracy, and instead of a renewed Union, a sham CIS. Here, not only the constitution was trampled, but also the results of the referendum for the preservation of the USSR.
        We talk a lot about bad boyars and a good tsar. It's not about the "tsar", the country is really ruled by fat cats oligarchs, not an independent "tsar", but our bad boys and masters of the world bourgeoisie. They said pension reform, and it came, it became necessary to SVO, they started this strange military operation, during which the number of billionaires in Russia by 2024 reached a record, in the Forbes rating - 125 people. Some people's war is some people's mother, we fight here, we trade here, and such a war is beneficial to the West, it's money, it's the self-destruction of the Slavs.
        1. +10
          5 September 2024 07: 10
          Quote: Per se.
          Gauleiters because in 1991 there was a pro-Western anti-constitutional coup, and the Moscow "Maidan" in this regard is no better or more legal than what happened in Kyiv.

          No better.
          However!! In the autumn of 1993, something 100 times worse happened to us. A revolution! And a bloody one, with a complete replacement of all previous institutions of power and the constitution. And most importantly - with the replacement of the previous goals and meanings, values ​​and methods government controlled.
          The Gauleiters appeared precisely in the autumn of 1993.
          1. +15
            5 September 2024 07: 28
            It was during their totally false anti-communist Perestroika that the enemies of the USSR captured the USSR and staged a counter-revolution in order to return both capitalism and the System as before the October Revolution, and to become the same rich and richest parasites on the neck of the people, as the Bolsheviks, whom they had slandered, had thrown off.
            And Yeltsin, in November 1991, by banning the CPSU, committed a state crime, and in October 1993, by signing the unconstitutional decree 1400, carried out a coup d'etat.
          2. +9
            5 September 2024 10: 04
            Quote: ammunition
            However!! In the autumn of 1993 something 100 times worse happened to us. Revolution!

            This is already a consequence, and the cause is the collapse of the USSR. Three traitors in Belovezhskaya Pushcha voluntarily declared the dissolution of the Union, the "prisoner of Foros", a chatterbox, and, in fact, no less a traitor, Gorbachev, obediently lowered the red flag in the Kremlin. How so?! Everything played out as if by notes, even this "GKChP", which did not save the country, but provoked the Moscow "Maidan". Of course, with the sacred sacrifices of three heroes, whom all of Moscow buried with pomp, in Kyiv there will be a "heavenly hundred". These are the scenarios.
            What's next, the third year of the SVO? Let's remember how the West initially said that Russia would dismember Ukraine in three days... Then they started to play the poor thing, that everything they had was outdated, that they had nothing, and were giving the last to the Banderites. From helmets and bulletproof vests, it went to tanks and fighters, and missile strikes deep into Russia are just around the corner. In addition to our purely material costs, wear and tear and loss of equipment, depleted arsenals, and the deaths of civilians and soldiers. If the collective West turns on its military-industrial complex at full speed, what can we oppose to what survived after all the bankruptcies and "optimization" of factories, aging personnel, and the general degradation of education? We have fireworks and holidays, the triumph of wise leadership, while the West, if you believe TV, is in decline, and in Ukraine they are catching the last conscripts.
            No, fellow Democrats, we need to call things by their proper names and fix everything.
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      1. +9
        5 September 2024 08: 02
        Quote: Ruslan Smorodin
        And ordinary Russians sincerely believe that if all Ukrainians are killed, the problems will disappear by themselves

        Ordinary Russians believe that all Ukrainians do not need to be killed, but that Nazis, fanatics, sadists who have lost their human appearance must be dealt with without regret.
        1. +7
          5 September 2024 11: 34
          and what about banning the army and industry? how many times has this been said here...

          The more corpses there are on both sides, the more hatred there will be, the slower and less likely it will be to build a successful RI.
        2. +4
          5 September 2024 23: 23
          The problem is that we have long since completely lost the battle for the Ukrainians' brains. 35 years of propaganda about "rotten Muscovites" have done their job. And Putin, starting the SVO the year before last, made a cruel mistake about the "brotherly people". There is nothing left of brotherhood there. Two generations of zombies have grown up, brought up on hatred towards us.
          .
          1. +1
            5 September 2024 23: 51
            Quote: Jose
            35 years of propaganda about "rotten Muscovites" have done their job.

            Of course we did.
          2. +2
            6 September 2024 07: 45
            Quote: Jose
            The problem is that we have completely lost the fight for the Ukrainians' brains a long time ago. 35 years of propaganda about "rotten Muscovites" have done their job.

            The most important thing is that Russian propaganda had a hand in this propaganda. The entire part of Ukrainian historiography, that is, the banal anti-Sovietism concerning the Soviet period, is almost entirely pulled from Russia.
            …..Our Government participated with all its might in the creation of the evil ukraine. Ukrainians declare that Stalin impoverished Ridna Nenka, and Moscow chimes in: "Yes, yes, Stalin is worse than Hitler!" The ukraine declare that Russian finotatars themselves do not know how to do anything, and the All-Loving One echoes them with the thesis about galoshes...
            …..And guess where this monument to the Innocent Sons of the Holy Motherland is located? No, not in Lemberg.
            P.S. What we fought for, we got.
            1. 0
              6 September 2024 15: 49
              But guess where this monument to the Innocent Sons of the Holy Motherland is located? No, not in Lemberg.

              Did not guess...
              but still - where?
      2. +13
        5 September 2024 08: 05
        And ordinary Russians sincerely believe that if all Ukrainians are killed, the problems will disappear by themselves
        Ordinary Ukrainians believe the same thing.
      3. 0
        5 September 2024 12: 15
        if you kill all the Ukrainians, the problems will disappear by themselves
        - Where did you get that from?
      4. -3
        5 September 2024 13: 52
        Sergeant Russian, please convey the order to us privates already.
      5. +3
        5 September 2024 16: 33
        belay To be honest, only stupid people think like that. In any case, I have never heard anything like that from my relatives or friends...
      6. 0
        6 September 2024 04: 01
        Why did you write this? Ordinary Russians, for the most part, believe in victory, which implies the reunification of Ukraine and Russia, and if you look at the comments, people are very worried that in the Kremlin the annexation of only 4 new territories can be considered a victory.
        Nobody rejoices at the murder of Ukrainians when the prisoners are shown with all their last names: Ivanov, Petrov and Sidorov and they speak pure Russian!
    5. +9
      5 September 2024 08: 18
      that has been established in the country bourgeois power

      with your permission, I would like to correct it: feudal...
      1. +4
        5 September 2024 09: 02
        Quote: Dedok
        with your permission, I would like to correct it: feudal...

        Definitely not folk... Yes
        1. +8
          5 September 2024 10: 17
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Definitely not folk..

          A typical colonial one!
    6. +5
      5 September 2024 17: 13
      I'll give you another example. Right now, the so-called SVO is underway, on which almost tens and hundreds of billions of dollars are spent every year. And the most interesting thing is that the country lives as it always did, no catastrophe is happening, salaries and pensions are being paid, something is being built, something is being improved. Yes, prices are rising, but they were growing constantly before the SVO, and often at a faster rate. And now, attention - a question! And if such huge amounts of money are being spent from the budget now and nothing terrible is happening to the country's financial system, Russia is not taking out a bunch of loans, etc., then this money was there before. And where was all this money spent before? And why wasn't it spent on raising salaries, improving living conditions, developing production, etc.

      And the answer is precisely what you wrote: the oligarchy cares only about its own income, and the population in Russia lives on the residual principle.
      1. 0
        5 September 2024 23: 36
        Quote: Ivan_Sergeev
        etc., which means this money was there before.

        They were sent to Western banks, which now simply stole this money.
  4. +23
    5 September 2024 04: 05
    Something tells me that we'll wash ourselves with our military oligarchy again. The press secretary will come up with another blizzard. The first one will go on a visit somewhere. Well, maybe Dmitry Anatolyevich will frown menacingly. And the common people wash themselves with broth. Shame.
    1. -8
      5 September 2024 04: 52
      Let me remind you once again.
      The majority of the population that went to the polls in March voted for Putin.
      About half, a little less, did not go to the elections - which is basically the same - the same support for Putin.
      Now we're getting it.
      By yourself, all by yourself ...
      1. -22
        5 September 2024 05: 08
        The majority of the population that went to the polls in March voted for Putin.

        Right... smile I'm one of those.
        Now ask why this population voted for Putin...and not for the communists, Yabloko members and other saviors of the people.
        1. +17
          5 September 2024 05: 15
          I ask - do you like migrants so much? What they do here, in our cities? Do you like all our retreats and regroupings in the SVO so much?
          Do you like it so much that everyone is already wiping their feet on Russia?
          Only when something gets through to people like you, other than slogans and hooting, only then will something change.
          Recognizing the presence of a disease is the first step to treating it.
          Yes, treatment is not always easy and pleasant.
          But if you don’t acknowledge the disease (like you do), but instead shift the blame to the communists - like it’s not a disease at all - then that’s what we have.
          A big "thank you" to you, Lekha from Android, for the fact that the enemy is in the Kursk region and Russia is in deep ass...
          1. -25
            5 September 2024 05: 24
            Yes, yes... I am also to blame for the Banderites' outrage in the Kursk region.
            I told people like you back in 2014...you shouldn't have stopped at just Crimea...there's nothing worse than unfinished business.
            Well, as for the communists...
            Say thank you to the Ukrainian communists who brought the Banderites to power there.
            The way the Communist Party of Ukraine behaved in the face of this threat is a disgrace... the complete incompetence of the top communists, venality, cowardice... there was no charismatic communist there capable of raising Ukrainians to fight the Nazis.
            So, before reproaching anyone, the communists would be better off starting with a purge and attracting talented and charismatic youth into their ranks...capable of achieving their goals.
            So far, the communists only talk a lot...they are stuck in the last century.
            1. +22
              5 September 2024 05: 33
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              Yes, yes... I am also to blame for the Banderites' outrage in the Kursk region.

              Yes. Because again you are defending your choice - Putin - and shifting the blame from specific culprits to the communists.

              Quote: Lech from Android.
              I told people like you back in 2014

              Do you think that anyone other than our authorities (the same Putin you cherish) thought that we had to stop?
              It was our authorities who then surrendered the entire Russian-speaking population of Ukraine, who were in favor of joining Russia.
              Again, move the arrows...

              Quote: Lech from Android.
              Well, as for the communists...
              Say thank you to the Ukrainian communists who brought the Banderites to power there.


              Change the manual... It's already worn out to holes.
              1. -24
                5 September 2024 05: 41
                Change the manual... It's already worn out to holes.

                Change the manual yourself.
                Tell me about the matter...why didn't the Ukrainian communists lead the fight against the Banderites?
                Why with Bandera's scumbags
                The first to start fighting were the Donbass miners, ordinary citizens?
                Putin's choice is my choice...I understand you don't like it.
                Well then convince me that your leader is better than Putin...so far I don’t believe a single word the communists say.
                1. +22
                  5 September 2024 05: 59
                  Quote: Lech from Android.
                  Tell me about the matter...why didn't the Ukrainian communists lead the fight against the Banderites?

                  Because they were the same as communist Yeltsin, communist Putin, and others who surrendered the USSR to the Americans. And now they hate it and our socialist past with every fiber of their soul.
                  Remember Putin's hysterical speech during Prigozhin's march for justice. And try to find out where he regrouped from Moscow.
                  1. -12
                    5 September 2024 06: 10
                    The current bourgeoisie and politicians of our new country all came from the bosom of the Communist Party of the USSR.
                    Putin is also a member of the Communist Party of the USSR... heh heh, it turns out I voted for the communists anyway... what
                    How can you trust communists after this?
                    I regret that Prigozhin passed away early...he was a leader and knew how to convince...I would have voted for such a person instead of Putin.
                    1. +14
                      5 September 2024 06: 18
                      Quote: Lech from Android.
                      Putin is also a member of the Communist Party of the USSR... heh heh, it turns out I voted for the communists anyway...

                      It turns out that your methodology "the communists are to blame for everything" is somewhat inadequate...
                      And an attempt to escape from today's real problems to empty words: "why didn't the Ukrainian communists lead the fight against the Banderites"...
                      And you should be interested in who led the pro-Russian Russians and Russian speakers in Ukraine in 2014, in the same Kharkov, and who gave them up, pushing them back into Bandera's Ukraine. And who tried to return Donbass to Ukraine for 8 years, who liquidated all the leaders of the pro-Russian movement in Donbass...
                      In the end, who, or on whose command, was Prigozhin eliminated?
                      1. -16
                        5 September 2024 06: 23
                        I was interested...former communists appear everywhere...it's like one of two things.
                        Your manual that there are enemies of communists all around is no better. You communists always seek and find enemies among your own followers. You have bred Gorbachevs and Yeltsins in your midst, and you blame anyone but yourselves for this.
                      2. +11
                        5 September 2024 06: 57
                        These are the enemies of the communists for all 106 years of the Soviet and anti-Soviet periods - always ready to be for anyone, including the interventionists and the Nazis, just to be AGAINST the communists.
                      3. -12
                        5 September 2024 07: 27
                        How did the enemy of the communists, Bandera supporter Kravchuk (future president of Ukraine) end up as a member of the CPSU?
                        Explain to me why among the communists of the USSR there were so many renegades, Banderites, nationalists, Nazis, bourgeois, liberals and simply traitors by 1990?
                        What could have happened to 14 million communists that they did not rush to defend the USSR with their chests?
                        Where has the charisma and conviction of the CPSU leaders in a bright future gone?
                      4. +6
                        5 September 2024 07: 36
                        Don't be hypocritical. You, enemies of the USSR, are excellent at separating real Soviet communists by conviction from those like you, enemies of communists, who, under communist rule, for the sake of profit and career, pretended to be communists and their supporters for years and decades, and that is why, since 1991, you have been forcing these CPSU members who "saw the light" during Perestroika into power in the republics of the USSR and their peoples that you have seized, and together with them you slander the Bolshevik communists and justify the crimes of their external and internal enemies.
                        And ha, you yourself just proved it here, you vote for the member of the CPSU Putin because you are against communists, and you do not consider him a communist.
                      5. -4
                        5 September 2024 08: 20
                        You yourself are hypocritical when you declare your own party members to be enemies. request
                        The Bolsheviks of the times of Ulyanov, Lenin and Stalin were more principled and convinced party members than the communists of Khrushchev's time.
                        After Stalin's death, the Communist Party of the USSR began to slowly and surely die as a party capable of leading the masses.
                        You, current communists, do not want to admit the failures of your leaders...this is your vulnerability and Achilles heel.
                      6. +3
                        5 September 2024 08: 26
                        Ha, what kind of hypocrisy is this again, if you yourself have proven to us all now that you DO NOT consider the CPSU member Putin a communist?
                        And those who ran to the White House in August 1991 to defend CPSU member Yeltsin also proved that they DO NOT consider Yeltsin a communist.
                        And those Ukrainian enemies of the USSR, who, for the sake of the CPSU member Yushchenko, put together an entire “orange revolution” in 2004, proved that they DO NOT consider him a communist.
                        How tired I am of this pathological lying and hypocrisy of the enemies of the communists and the USSR.
                      7. -9
                        5 September 2024 08: 28
                        I am also disgusted by the deceitfulness of some communists who consider themselves the center of the earth and the center of the universe.
                      8. +4
                        5 September 2024 08: 32
                        Ha, well, this rather applies to YOU, the enemies of the communists, who WITHOUT the slightest basis seriously imagine that you are better than the Soviet communists and their supporters, better than the enemies of the USSR who seized the remaining republics of the USSR, and the enemies of the USSR in the countries of the world, who imagine that you know how to work well and honestly earned your large, enormous - in comparison with the Russian people - salaries and incomes.
                      9. -10
                        5 September 2024 08: 35
                        And what is the result of your actions? With your own hands you destroyed what was created by the labor and blood of the entire people over several generations.
                        Your renegades, like gangrene, are capable of infecting and destroying any healthy state organism.
                      10. +4
                        5 September 2024 08: 41
                        Yes, it’s good that you reminded us of another fundamental difference between real communists and their supporters - from YOU, their enemies, including the fact that if the communists and their supporters have always been proud and are proud of the October Revolution, then you have been cowardly whining in chorus for 30 years that you “had nothing to do” with YOUR anti-communist Perestroika, in which you staged YOUR counter-revolution, and YOU destroyed the USSR.
                        And Putin, while “praising to the skies” Gorbachev and Yeltsin, never once praised them for destroying the USSR.
                      11. +2
                        5 September 2024 16: 54
                        There is no need to classify the current ones as communists.. This is something completely different.
                      12. +9
                        5 September 2024 09: 53
                        Bandera member Kravchuk

                        Kravchuk is as much a Bandera supporter as a bullet is a piece of sh...t.
                        Explain to me why among the communists of the USSR there were so many renegades, Banderites, nationalists, Nazis, bourgeois, liberals and simply traitors by 1990?

                        A primitive manipulation when something considered positive and general is made to appear negative by highlighting negative particulars.
                        This can be easily shown by replacing just two words and removing three in your question - Explain to me why there are so many renegades, Banderites, nationalists, Nazis, bourgeois, liberals and simply traitors among Christians?
                        Can you answer my question? feel
                      13. -6
                        5 September 2024 10: 09
                        Explain to me why there are so many renegades, Banderites, nationalists, Nazis, bourgeois, liberals and simply traitors among Christians?
                        Can you answer my question? feel

                        I can...because man is weak.
                        Because in every person there is always both evil and good... because if the germs of stinginess, greed, betrayal get into a person, they begin to corrode him like rust corrodes iron.
                        And he slowly turns into a scoundrel...it's not a question of ideas and convictions, it's a question of morality...good and evil.
                        In the name of an idea, millions of people were destroyed... and at the heart of these ideas were still banal human weaknesses... greed, anger, resentment that someone lives better and everything must be taken away from him in order to live better than him.
                      14. +9
                        5 September 2024 10: 13
                        Good answer.
                        Now tell me - do you have any complaints about Christianity because man is weak and chooses the side of evil?
                      15. +4
                        5 September 2024 19: 42
                        At the core of these ideas were still banal human weaknesses... greed, anger, resentment that someone lives better and everything must be taken away from them in order to live better than them.

                        It is curious that communism as an idea fights against human weaknesses, greed and malice.
                      16. +1
                        5 September 2024 23: 44
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Kravchuk is as much a Bandera supporter as a bullet is a piece of sh...t.

                        Well, during his presidency, he bragged about how he helped Banderovites as a child.
                      17. +4
                        5 September 2024 16: 51
                        The communists perished on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War, and those who were able to survive and win, passed away in the 80s. So there is no need to classify all sorts of opportunists as communists.
                      18. 0
                        5 September 2024 23: 42
                        Quote: Lech from Android.
                        Explain to me why among the communists of the USSR there were so many renegades, Banderites, nationalists, Nazis, bourgeois, liberals and simply traitors by 1990?

                        This can be explained in one word: de-Stalinization.
                      19. -2
                        5 September 2024 09: 04
                        They have bred Gorbachevs and Yeltsins in their midst

                        I agree. Both are communists. From working peasants. And what have they led the people to?
                      20. 0
                        5 September 2024 09: 36
                        They brought your anti-Soviet people to the point where you have been bragging for 30 years, like everyone else, “it’s better now than in the USSR under the communists,” because you HAVE gained a lot.
                      21. -1
                        5 September 2024 09: 51
                        You don't know anything about me to say so boldly. Your words about enemies, when mentioned so regularly, are somehow devalued. You list as enemies everyone who does not sing the mantra of the communists. And without giving any arguments for your words. And for a second, EBN, Gorbachev and Khrushchev were communists, but what did they do? It seems to me that you are not a communist. You were simply very upset.
                      22. -2
                        5 September 2024 09: 56
                        The enemies of the communists are impenetrable, your lies and hypocrisy have already been exposed a million times, including myself in this topic, but you still continue to lie and be hypocritical.
                        You have settled in well, captured the RSFSR, grabbed it with a death grip, do whatever you want with Russia and the people, and put all the responsibility on the Soviet communists, and now also on the Soviet security officers.
                    2. +4
                      5 September 2024 07: 08
                      What didn't please you about Grudinin?
                      1. +9
                        5 September 2024 07: 39
                        Because the enemies of the USSR are always only for everything bad for Russia and its people. And Grudinin is the only one of all the candidates for the post of President of the Russian Federation in the elections since 2000, who their "leader" was really afraid of, and therefore immediately set his paid propagandists on him on TV, in the media, on the Internet.
                      2. 0
                        5 September 2024 09: 59
                        Because he is a capitalist like the rest. He sold the land after all, but got it for free. Because the CPRF is not a party of equality. They rejected many bills that would improve social welfare. And they made a big circus around him.
                      3. +6
                        5 September 2024 19: 50
                        The CPRF has the same attitude towards communism as I have towards nuclear physics.
                        I remember GenZu, who won the 96 elections, humbly handed over power to Yeltsin and then justified himself by leaking that he "didn't want a new civil war." But, as we know, if between war and shame, they choose shame...
                        As a result, we see a civil war. All this is a consequence of the betrayal of the elites and the collapse of the USSR.
                      4. +2
                        5 September 2024 23: 47
                        Quote: Jager
                        I remember GenZu, who won the 96 elections, humbly handed over power to Yeltsin

                        And I remember this, after that I had no trust in him and his party.
                    3. +5
                      5 September 2024 09: 31
                      Quote: Lech from Android.
                      I regret that Prigozhin passed away early...he was a leader and knew how to convince...I would have voted for such a person instead of Putin.

                      That's why he "got into a plane crash"...
                2. +5
                  5 September 2024 11: 41
                  Tell me about the matter...why didn't the Ukrainian communists lead the fight against the Banderites?

                  Of course it's not convenient, just stick a label on it and it's ready. There weren't only Banderites there.
                  But I would rewind a bit and ask how it is possible to lose love in a country where the majority speak Russian, watch Russian TV channels and trade with it. The government and security forces graduated from Soviet universities. Even if in a country of 40 million there was no one to choose for support except someone with no criminal record twice? Who was held accountable for these fuck-ups?
                  1. +2
                    5 September 2024 12: 51
                    Quote: george.old
                    But I would rewind a bit and ask how it is possible to fall in love with a country where the majority speak Russian, watch Russian TV channels and trade with it.

                    It's very simple, the West knows how to do its job, they managed to reorient first the elites and then the people towards themselves. As for Russian TV channels, in the 90s they were still widely available in Ukraine, but they were not Russian then, we all remember who these TV channels belonged to then.
                    1. +5
                      5 September 2024 13: 48
                      Yeah, "It's not my fault"
                      and what did the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, special services, numerous analysts, experts do besides receiving Western salaries? after the 1st Maidan, were conclusions made? or did they continue to work "that'll do"...
                      That the West is plotting is natural, it was and will be so. Because the power of the state is a relative thing, not absolute. And we must not scream about the hostile West, but work. And if you don't work, then why is this "damned West" always to blame?
                      And about TV it's also "funny"
                      1. +1
                        5 September 2024 13: 53
                        Quote: george.old
                        And about TV it's also "funny"

                        What's funny?
                      2. +1
                        5 September 2024 16: 42
                        well, these are Russian channels, ONT, RTR... so who should determine their content?
                        maybe Westerners should play along...
                      3. +1
                        5 September 2024 17: 15
                        Quote: george.old
                        well, these are Russian channels, ONT, RTR... so who should determine their content?

                        Owners, who else? Who owned these channels in the 90s is also generally known.
                      4. +3
                        5 September 2024 18: 40
                        It's clear that the damned foreigners are to blame for everything...
                        i pass
                      5. 0
                        8 September 2024 09: 30
                        Who needed that? Greedy rats with a planning horizon of one day thought only about how the communist idea would not win again and how to rake in as much money as possible. The architects of all of Russia's current problems are our entire government and capitalists of all sorts and stripes.
                3. +10
                  5 September 2024 13: 35
                  Lyokha from Android, could you at least briefly list the real achievements of the Russian Federation under the leadership of V.V. Putin? Maybe in the next elections he will become my candidate. Just don't repeat the propaganda dogmas about GDP growth, if real growth is observed in anything, it is only in the growth of inflation and in the number of dollar millionaires.
            2. +2
              5 September 2024 12: 44
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              I told people like you back in 2014...you shouldn't have stopped at just Crimea...there's nothing worse than unfinished business.

              Absolutely right, but someone didn’t like this bitter truth and gave it so many minuses.
              1. +2
                5 September 2024 21: 12
                I told people like you back in 2014...you shouldn't have stopped at just Crimea...there's nothing worse than unfinished business.
                Putin should have said this, because it was he who stopped taking Crimea in 2014 and gave Ukraine to the Banderites, he didn’t want to take it.
                1. +1
                  5 September 2024 23: 05
                  Quote: Fan-Fan
                  Putin should have said this

                  And how was Putin supposed to say this? I doubt that this user has a personal one with Putin.
            3. +1
              5 September 2024 23: 58
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              Say thank you to the Ukrainian communists who brought the Banderites to power there.

              Well, to be fair, the communists were the only political force in Ukraine in the 90s that advocated reunification with Russia. The Banderites were brought to power by all sorts of pseudo-Russian parties, like the Party of Regions.
        2. +10
          5 September 2024 07: 32
          When Putin's "competitors" openly declared that they were participating only to provide the appearance of competition for this production, then what was the point of voting for them? By the way, the mustachioed press secretary predicted the result in 9 months, calling the elections in the Russian Federation "costly bureaucracy."
          1. 0
            5 September 2024 08: 20
            Quote: Boris Sergeev
            When Putin's "competitors" openly stated that they were participating only to provide the appearance of competition for this production, then what was the point of voting for them?

            The point of voting is not for them, but against Putin - that's the simple point.
            To free up the presidential seat from ballast.
            They voted for anyone but Putin - that's it, they didn't choose Putin.
            There was a chance to change the situation - both in the SVO, and with migrants, and with production, and with many other things.
            1. +11
              5 September 2024 08: 44
              Yes, he proved that he is afraid not only of strong competitors in the elections - like Grudinin, but even of protest candidates, who could have been the "liberal" Nadezhdin and journalist Duntsova in the last presidential elections.
              In general, he himself constantly proves that he does not believe in any 80% for him.
            2. 0
              8 September 2024 09: 36
              Nonsense, nonsense, complete nonsense. What kind of people are you? Lenin wrote to you that all these elections are a continuous theatrical performance, life has already proven this to you many times, and you still jump on the same rake. Only a mass boycott of the elections and large-scale strikes and demonstrations against such elections could have had any effect. And those who called for voting against and voted only helped the authorities create the appearance of legitimacy of the elections with their turnout.
      2. -3
        5 September 2024 06: 53
        Well, if you voted for Davankov, what then? Did you vote for Davankov? Maybe for Kharitonov? Do you feel that you did something powerful, important? This should be given an order...
        Those who are for Davankov - a medal is possible, however, for Kharitonov an order for sure. They will reinstate deputy Rashkin, forgive him for the unfortunate moose, and once he is nominated - your vote will come in handy laughing
        1. +4
          5 September 2024 17: 41
          Here people write funny things - Davankov, Nadezhdin, Kharitonov.. Duntsova... well, it's funny ))
          Everyone knows the Adidas company because it has huge production and volumes, a lot of money is poured into the advertising campaign - and who will care about some "Ural Textile and Leather Factory #2", even if it makes really cool sneakers.
          Democracy relies on a mass of stupid and narrow-minded entities, whose sympathy was won by extremely massive, populist measures, but in essence by something bullshit, some kind of candy wrappers. One out of a hundred electors will look at who Duntsova is, one out of a hundred will watch some video, listen to what she says there and how, a minute or two with fast forward. Maybe every 20th of them will then vote for her.
          And VVP, he never leaves the "zombie box", he has his own talking head, and he travels around the world, squeezes crabs for respectable people, rolls various papers there, makes speeches without interrupting. VVP in our coordinate system is the "Adidas" of sneakers and sportswear, and some Kharitonov is this very Ural Textile and Leather Factory N-sky.
          Even if he has everything there grain-to-grain (and this is not the case at all), even if he is young and fresh as a peach (and even more so), he will not reach 70-80% of the electorate without money, and in our system, even with money, they simply will not give him a platform.
          And vice versa - even if in such conditions the task is to push through a "talking head" (read EBN 1996) - they will push through, simply because of the reach and the money.

          Demographic procedures work when people UNDERSTAND who they are voting for and who they are delegating to - they drive away the ineffective with these same rags, delegate to the effective. In our case, the majority of voters STUPIDLY DON'T CARE, they don't look, they don't study - they choose what comes to mind first.
      3. +9
        5 September 2024 13: 31
        "The majority of the population that went to the polls in March" - do you really believe that if Zyuganov had received 99% he would have become president?? belay Do you seriously believe that the oligarchic government allows you to "choose" something?
        Where do you come from, so naive (or stupid)? what
      4. -2
        5 September 2024 16: 09
        67% of those eligible to vote voted for Putin. In absolute numbers, ~ 75 million people, that is, all pensioners (40 million) plus all public sector workers (35 million). That's who is completely satisfied with such a president.
        1. +5
          5 September 2024 16: 38
          And why are you responsible for all pensioners? I didn't vote for him.. No, my "vote" was certainly taken into account.. Fellow voters..
        2. +1
          5 September 2024 19: 19
          If everything were open and honest, the voter could go to his personal account on Gosuslugi, where it would be recorded for whom he voted. But there is no such possibility and I do not know for whom "my" vote was given.
    2. +1
      5 September 2024 07: 08
      You chose together, now wash together
    3. +2
      5 September 2024 16: 36
      Come on! Today Alaudinov declared... We have already won.. We can celebrate and disperse.. True, the hangover after this "victory" will be very difficult..
    4. +1
      5 September 2024 19: 14
      This will continue until our people realize that they are not “common people,” but the masters of the Russian land.
  5. +11
    5 September 2024 04: 45
    The expression "red lines" has already become a swear word... Instead of a kind Russian swear word, you can use smile
  6. +10
    5 September 2024 04: 49
    Quote: curvimeter
    The expression "red lines" has already become a swear word... Instead of a kind Russian swear word, you can use smile

    Well, that's what Lavrov told the West... "Don't joke with Russia's red lines." Well, the West doesn't joke...it simply doesn't pay attention to them.
    1. +8
      5 September 2024 05: 39
      The West isn't joking...it just doesn't pay attention to them.
      And I even think they amuse him. wink
      1. +9
        5 September 2024 08: 18
        And I even think they amuse him.
        They probably find it amusing because these notorious red lines were drawn by the ruling class of Russia for Russia, and not for the West, as all sorts of propagandists have been trying to convince us of for so long.
        It is worth remembering the words of one odious Russophobe:
        “A new world order under US hegemony is being created against Russia, at the expense of Russia and on the ruins of Russia” Zbigniew Brzezinski
        hi
  7. -4
    5 September 2024 04: 52
    There are no hopeless situations. In the most unpredictable times, Intelligence saved us. And what is the most important thing in intelligence? Communication. Identifying communication nodes, because it helps the Ukrainians, is the main thing today. Spreading yourself thin on civilian objects, missing opportunities to hit military objects, means losing the case. As Kedmi says - "Intelligence, intelligence and more intelligence."
    1. +1
      5 September 2024 21: 27
      As it turns out, we also have almost no intelligence.
  8. +18
    5 September 2024 04: 52
    The initiative is in the hands of the enemy? But in the article next door, they have almost won. Well, everyone who could has already joked about the red lines, even the neighbor's parrot has already learned this mantra, so I will remain silent. The people are tired of this circus with horses, people are fighting on the ground, and some kind of fierce chaos is happening above, it is like hitting garden toilets with Iskanders, destroying the enemy's latrines, all in the best traditions of Gashik. Much simply defies logic and common sense. Rather, you expect more provocation with strikes on our residential buildings and cities, and not all this chatter and promises, and visits to Tajikistan, the Caucasus, and Mongolia ....
  9. +8
    5 September 2024 05: 15
    Quote: Nikolai Malyugin
    As Kedmi says: "Reconnaissance, reconnaissance and more reconnaissance."

    smile Kedmi also said that the Russian army will steamroll Ukraine to the borders of Poland... heh heh, what a predictor.
    1. +13
      5 September 2024 05: 37
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Kedmi...heh heh is quite the predictor.

      But he is not a fortune teller at all! Kedmi is a specialist in fooling "goyim"... and a high-class one at that.
  10. +5
    5 September 2024 05: 38
    It's most likely a bluff.
    It may be a bluff. Or maybe not. We shouldn't forget Yuzhmash, which at one time made rockets for the Soviet Union. There are probably engineers and some developments left. And as was rightly said, our "friends" in the West can help them.
  11. +20
    5 September 2024 05: 43
    But Russia has overtaken the US in terms of volumes of gas supplies to Western Europe, and this is without a joint venture, this was published not long ago in VO News, we give them gas, red lines, they give Ukraine missiles, we give Ukraine money for transit. That's how we'll win.
  12. -2
    5 September 2024 06: 09
    In any case, it is necessary to consider the options for responding to such attacks now, in advance. And after what has happened, to act automatically and instantly. Moreover, assuming the worst options.
  13. +10
    5 September 2024 06: 17
    When the question is asked - why, from the beginning of the Second World War until now, the most important bridges and tunnels in Ukraine have not been destroyed, to this list we can add factories and research institutes related to missile weapons there, built there during the USSR and having and having there design personnel for the construction of missile weapons.
    Now we are wondering - have they created something so serious there that it will fly to Moscow and St. Petersburg, or even to cities beyond the Urals, or have they not created it?
    But no one could even imagine that after two years from the beginning of the SVO, the Banderites would be committing outrages in the Kursk region. And who will guarantee that during these two years the loyal and devoted designers and directors of missile weapons factories who remained there from the times of the USSR did not eat their bread in Ukraine for nothing? This SVO war is strange!
    1. -5
      5 September 2024 12: 56
      Well, as for factories and research institutes, even before the war, only horns and legs remained, missiles can be produced in any Western country and passed off as Ukrainian
  14. +11
    5 September 2024 07: 10
    In war, you must always expect the worst. And, based on this principle, plan your actions.

    Initially, the SVO was planned as an operation, the goal of which should not be a complete military victory over the enemy, but rather to persuade him to some kind of negotiations without achieving a decisive advantage. It is clear to any military man that this is a complete utopia. But a significant layer of power does not think so at all.

    No one can guarantee that at one particular moment, seeing that our red lines are not red at all and not lines at all, convinced of the inability of our air defense to repel a massive attack, NATO will not strike the Ministry of Defense together with the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    In the case that the author suggests, Russia has two options. The first is to use nuclear weapons. The second is to ask for negotiations itself.

    Something tells me that this is exactly what some people want. Moreover, this can be presented to society as a "victory", because "we managed to avoid nuclear Armageddon".

    The authorities do not want the country and society to be mobilized. Perhaps they know something that we do not know, which allows us to feel optimistic.
    1. +3
      5 September 2024 07: 44
      No mobilization is needed. And especially nuclear weapons. The enemies of the USSR have everything according to Freud, if they have not proven during all this time that this will bring great benefit to our country and people, then they themselves admit that there is no benefit from all this to our country and people.
      All this was initially irrational.
    2. +4
      5 September 2024 16: 19
      Quote: avia12005
      In the case that the author suggests, Russia has two options. The first is to use nuclear weapons. The second is to ask for negotiations itself.

      Regarding the first one.
      There was a document that, apparently, is strictly observed by all parties, it is called the Budapest Memorandum of 1994. (By the way, it describes guarantees of sovereignty and all sorts of territorial integrity of the country of the same name). This is about the West's support and recognition of the legitimate power of the Russian Federation in Ukraine, recognizing the 2014 elections.
      I highly recommend reading this to those who are screaming right into their throats about the use of nuclear weapons, tactical nuclear weapons, etc.
      Regarding the second.
      In my opinion, this is all our authorities have been doing since the beginning of 2014, right? wink
      And everything that is happening now is the consequence of those figures who seized power in 1990. After their strokes of the pen, people have been dying en masse for 34 years now.
      They say they are now concerned about demographics. Apparently those 30 million people who were not supposed to be worried about because they did not "fit into the market" somehow quickly disappeared. wink
      1. +2
        5 September 2024 21: 34
        Yes, Putin, three days after the start of the SVO, already began begging for negotiations. The strong side does not ask for negotiations, the weak one asks for them.
        1. -1
          5 September 2024 23: 10
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          The strong side does not ask for negotiations, the weak side asks for them.

          Don't offend those who were deceived and "cheated"; they still consider themselves partners. wink
  15. -3
    5 September 2024 07: 24
    Non bisogna lasciare nessun tipo di iniziativa a quei pazzi di ucraini ma avere noi l'iniziativa in modo tale da sparigliare e rovinare i loro piani.La vittoria in una guerra viene anche dall'anticipare le mosse del nemico in modo da sorprenderlo e quindi arrecarle grosse perdite e causarli molti morti.La storia passata insegna!!!
  16. +8
    5 September 2024 07: 37
    Once upon a time, they started with deliveries of body armor to the Ukrainian Armed Forces. What will happen tomorrow? Deliveries of nuclear weapons? Under mantras about the indestructibility of tunnels and bridges.
    1. 0
      5 September 2024 14: 33
      At one time, we started with deliveries of bulletproof vests to the Ukrainian Armed Forces
      It seems they started with supplies of bandages and medical supplies. It was only later that bulletproof vests and paints came. And so on down the list...
  17. +5
    5 September 2024 07: 57
    "It is impossible to cover all 2 km from missiles."
    Is it possible to cover the airfields that are designated in the article as the main targets?
    Shouldn't an airfield, by definition, be covered by air defense systems?
    1. +1
      5 September 2024 21: 36
      As it turned out unexpectedly, we also have almost no air defense.
  18. +14
    5 September 2024 08: 00
    Banderites have invaded the Kursk region and have not yet received any response. But all over the country, here and there, there are some holidays and festivals on which crazy money is spent. And in Kursk, the whole world is collecting humanitarian aid again.
    1. +3
      5 September 2024 16: 24
      And the Supreme Commander-in-Chief is either in Azerbaijan, or in Mongolia, or at the Far Eastern forums :)
      1. 0
        5 September 2024 21: 37
        Some kind of tourist, not a commander-in-chief.
  19. -5
    5 September 2024 08: 15
    Increase rates.
    In case of using Western long-range weapons (500 km), the use of tactical nuclear weapons is suggested (and what other option could there be?). On bridges, tunnels... and most importantly on logistics close to the border with Poland.
    1. +8
      5 September 2024 10: 46
      Or maybe it would be better to use gas and oil pipelines that lead to Europe? Or the ammonia pipeline through which we export ammonia to Odessa... Oh, yeah... contracts are a sacred thing... smile
  20. +5
    5 September 2024 08: 23
    The Banderites do whatever the Kremlin allows.
  21. +7
    5 September 2024 09: 12
    What can you do? We don't fight against RUSSIANS (according to VV Putin)
    And "Russians don't surrender" (one war correspondent confirmed this as a real case, not a fairy tale)
    And it’s hypocritical to think that some can bomb, while others – well, no way...
  22. +7
    5 September 2024 09: 24
    In the end, we will repeat the banal maxim - the red lines are getting closer, and something needs to be done about it. When the initiative is in the hands of the enemy, it is difficult to dictate your own rules of the game. In the case of strikes deep into Russian territory, the situation is exactly like that.

    Not banal anymore, but immoral. Where are these red lines? Foreign troops in Ukraine? They are there. Invasion of "old" Russia? There are Kursk and Belgorod. Strikes deep into the Russian Federation? Oil refineries in Tuapse and Yaroslavl are regularly subjected to it. It even flew into the Kremlin once. They are just pouring it into the ears of the people. But right now Vladimir Putin is speaking at a plenary session as part of the EEF-2024 and not a word about the NVO. Damn it, part of the country is fighting, and the rest of the masses are watching TV and living as usual.
    1. +5
      5 September 2024 10: 48
      Oil refineries in Tuapse and Yaroslavl are regularly subjected to.
      They fly to us in the Temryuk region...
    2. +2
      5 September 2024 13: 00
      some are fighting, others are having fun, and don't even know what's going on at the front
  23. +6
    5 September 2024 09: 45
    MOSCOW, September 5 — RIA Novosti. Russia has already won the special operation, said the commander of the Akhmat special forces, deputy head of the main military-political department of the Defense Ministry, Major General Apti Alaudinov, on his Telegram channel.
    1. +11
      5 September 2024 10: 50
      Russia has already won the special operation, the commander of the special forces "Akhmat" said
      No comments.. smile
  24. +7
    5 September 2024 11: 23
    We are lying to ourselves when we choose a convenient enemy in the form of “Ukraine” and the “AFU”.
    Our real enemy (USA/UK) is extremely inconvenient for us, but we cannot exchange it like in a store. We can deceive ourselves, and only for a short time.
    The US/UK is the master of this war and the slave owner of the countries participating in it. Before our eyes it has created a machine of destruction from Ukraine and is finishing this work with NATO countries and Japan.
    This self-deception of ours gives rise to non-existent questions about “what will be allowed to the Ukrainian Armed Forces” and “what prohibitions and how will the Ukrainian Armed Forces violate”. Because everything that happens is a single plan of the Master, all forces and means and military capabilities are in his hands.
    Based on this, in order to assess the real capabilities of the enemy in existing and prospective theaters of military operations, we need to proceed from the total capabilities available to the Master of this campaign - the USA/Great Britain.
  25. +3
    5 September 2024 11: 37
    This Grom/Sapsan reminds me of someone. Could it be Iskander/Dagger?
  26. +3
    5 September 2024 11: 41
    How many more publications will there be about the lines? Is something new being revealed, something new being proposed, something new being assumed?

    Nothing. The material is raw, it's just become chewing gum. It's become dull to read, the authors are exhausted, they repeat themselves, it's boring, girls...
  27. +5
    5 September 2024 12: 36
    Given that this war of annihilation is being waged against us not by Ukraine, but by the USA/Great Britain, which possesses enormous potential in forces, resources and slaves throughout the world, the question arises about the specific “schedule” of this war.
    The contractual nature, which sometimes “shines through” during military operations, may be a reflection of real agreements between the authorities and an enemy that is many times stronger. The only question is - where is he leading us with these agreements? If he determines the “weather”, then he is also the master of the situation.
    Then these agreements are nothing more than disastrous illusions on our part, and we cannot escape the need to force him to retreat and wind down this war. Until he has spread this war to all of his potential theaters of military operations.
    1. ada
      +1
      5 September 2024 15: 12
      Quote: Alexey Davydov
      ... Until he spread this war to all his potential theaters of operations.

      You see, it is also difficult for him because of the very structure of our enemy - it consists of an extraordinary number of compositions and some of these constituent elements are political movements, parties and clubs, the military-political activities of the countries involved in the agenda that they support - governments, parts of state structures such as the diplomatic corps, special services, troops, etc., financial and economic communities - global financial institutions, industrial groups - including the military-industrial complex, religious organizations and territories with a Western-oriented population, etc. And how many "heads" are there? This, perhaps, no one knows, including the "rulers of the world" themselves. And what is important - it is impossible to use this "in the dark" all the time, since there is an accumulation of management errors in all of the above, leading to irreparable consequences in political, socio-economic and military terms, and there are obviously not enough supporters to do everything openly.
      1. +1
        5 September 2024 15: 23
        I think that our enemy is not so chaotically structured. It is the "deep state of the Anglo-Saxons", probably having a clear centralized hierarchical structure. All the chaos is above it - in the official states of the USA/Great Britain. The slave countries have strict subordination to the metropolis, as it was in the English colonies. The Anglo-Saxons have already tested the reliability of managing their slaves and their "unanimity" by collective sanctions, destructive for their slaves, and by undermining the Northern Streams. The system has shown its reliability.
        1. ada
          +2
          5 September 2024 15: 36
          No, this is not chaos, this is precisely what it is - "complexity". As a certain, visible conditional model of this construction, it is possible to accept the North Atlantic Treaty Organization - NATO, where the "reliability" of management is very conditional.
          1. +1
            5 September 2024 15: 46
            "The Anglo-Saxon Deep State" is the successor to the mafia, Masonic lodges and secret intelligence services. It uses the entire arsenal of compromising materials and information about key figures in countries of the world and its own states. Its successes include the operation to disintegrate the USSR and the Warsaw Pact, the creation of Russia and Ukraine as a "lighter" for the war in Europe, the creation of Russia as a convenient victim for this war, the destruction of Russia's relations with almost all of its potential allies. I think that so far everything is going according to its plan.
            1. ada
              +1
              5 September 2024 16: 29
              Well, I am not so categorical, but I agree with your vision of the general direction of the West. Russia as a "victim" is not entirely clear to me, in military terms and in an overly generalized way, I am closer to a "military acquisition" in the form of spatial-territorial and other resources. Also, not so long ago, there were theoretical prerequisites for seeing some image of a state entity subordinate to the USA of a militarized type for organizing an armed confrontation with the PRC in a coalition with the West and a number of other countries (VP ​​blocs), including the Asia-Pacific region, but I do not believe in this, I consider it "disinformation".
              Their plan, as always, is clumsy, but long, they push it with varying success with tweaks and alterations along the way. Never, nowhere and in no way can this "everything" go according to plan - an axiom, but this does not make things any easier for us and this is our obvious position in the confrontation with them.
              1. +2
                5 September 2024 16: 43
                In light of the concepts of liquidation of "excess population" on the planet, the dubious suitability of the Russian people for their way of life, as well as their "dangerous and incomprehensible" tendency to rebellion, I think that having gained power over them, they will completely destroy us, and the world will turn away so as not to see it. They have already shown us this in Gaza, allowing Israel to commit a demonstrative genocide. They are going to close the Russian question completely.
  28. -4
    5 September 2024 12: 47
    We need to hit Ukraine with all our might. They have become extremely brazen. It's time for Putin to start...
  29. +1
    5 September 2024 12: 50
    Now the obvious target of the US/UK at Kursk is the nuclear power plant, the pools with accumulated spent nuclear fuel of which are "dirty bombs" of enormous power and the possibility of nuclear blackmail of Russia. Having this trump card in their hands, the US/UK will find it easier to keep us from threatening them with our nuclear weapons.
  30. +8
    5 September 2024 12: 52
    It is impossible to cover all 2 km from missiles.

    Where did the author get these 2000 km of the border with Ukraine? If you look at the map, it is 1000-1200 km at most. And if our state is not able to close and protect even a 1000 km section of its multi-thousand common border, then such a state and its authorities are not worth a dime. And if God forbid NATO launches thousands of missiles at us from different sides of our huge border, then it turns out that everything is "drain the water" and pray to the Almighty. And where is our air defense system that has no analogues in the world, with its S-400. S-300, S-350, Bukas, Tors, Pantsirs, etc.? We have been told so much about these air defense systems and their capabilities. It turns out that these capabilities are not enough or the air defense systems themselves are negligible. And if this is so, then why did we sell these air defense systems abroad to India, China, Turkey and other countries without first ensuring our own security and the needs of the army? That the currency earned from this is more important than the security of one's own country? That's what is not clear.
    1. +4
      5 September 2024 14: 34
      I agree with you. Even if the border is 2000 km, the S-400's range is 250 km. 5-6 installations already allow, in principle, to cover the border. And there are also, as the commentator correctly notes, S-300, S-350, Buks, Tors, Pantsirs. And all this is needed in non-sky-high quantities, taking into account their range of destruction. Ukraine itself is 1000 by 500-600 km. They herded all the troops into a heap - the Aerospace Forces, Air Defense, Aviation - but they don't know how to fight with all this. soldier
  31. +7
    5 September 2024 14: 54
    Yes, we need to finish this process of recycling people on both sides.
  32. +3
    5 September 2024 21: 01
    The gist of what's happening...
  33. +2
    5 September 2024 21: 49
    We need to launch preemptive strikes, not talk about counter-attacks.
  34. +1
    6 September 2024 01: 44
    A strange question - what to do - ? If you are at war, there is only one option - destroy the enemy. Everywhere. Southern Design Bureau - why does it still exist?
  35. +1
    6 September 2024 17: 53
    Quote: knn54
    1. There should be no red lines - there are state borders.
    2. An unprecedented case - an invasion of the territory of a state possessing nuclear weapons.
    And nothing.


    Does the author have any doubts? Shapiro (Solovieva's maiden name) also doubted that in increasing order:
    will not supply small arms
    Javelin ATGMs will not be supplied
    155mm guns will not be supplied
    will not supply Hymars
    will not supply BMP, Tanks
    will not supply aircraft
    will not supply long-range cruise missiles.


    "Storm Shadow is a ready-made solution for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but it has not yet been approved."
    Yes yes, they won’t allow it)))

    First they poke with a pin - zero reaction (only the concerned Kalantaryan from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is indignant)
    they start picking with a nail - again Kalantaryan without Viagra became concerned
    a blow to the head - again Kalantaryan expresses sexual preoccupation
    If Storm Shadow fly to Moscow and further (after all, it’s 900+ km), the next stage is cuttings,
    because the West has become trained in such patient indignations.

    Valenok Yanukovych got scared and got punched in the mouth, now he’s gnawing on sunflower seeds on the bench, and he’s happy!

    Or they could drive a shovel handle right up to the tonsils.

    Is it really true that examples from our immediate environment teach us nothing?
    They don’t want to negotiate with us, you can’t bargain with them, they don’t go for Jewish bargaining (we’ll negotiate for money, like Berezovsky once did in Khasavyurt).

    Just go to the border with Poland and clean out the textbooks, such a name as Ukraine, right down to the excavations of the Black Sea!

    Otherwise, the West will not limit itself to one cutting...
  36. 0
    7 September 2024 19: 09
    I think that there will again be threatening statements and a minimum of actions. Simply because there are no instruments. More precisely, they exist. We can declare a complete embargo on supplies to NATO countries of our materials that can be used in the manufacture of weapons. But this is a blow to the oligarch's business, therefore, no one will go for it.
    The next problem is that we do not have proxy structures that could deliver sensitive blows to Western structures. And arms supplies to Iran, for example, are not an asymmetric response. It is not a fact that the Iranians will use them. Although the appearance, for example, of long-range anti-ship missile systems among the Houthis could become a huge pain in the ass for NATO warships in the Arabian Sea.
    Shiite formations in Iraq have not been attacking P.I.D.S. targets lately either, so there is no point in them acquiring some kind of strike weapons.
    Therefore, we must honestly admit that, unfortunately, we do not have any options for painful responses to NATO countries for their provision of weapons and approval of strikes on our territory.
    The only thing we can do on the territory of the Ukrainian Reich is to completely finish off the energy system by delivering further blows to energy distribution and energy generating capacities. But this will not stop NATO supplies.
    The most radical thing could be a massive impact on the transport infrastructure. It has long been said about the need to destroy bridges and overpasses on railway lines and highways, destroy tunnels, from the Dnieper to the western borders of the Ukrainian Reich. But for some reason this causes genuine hysteria, like, nooooooooo. Although it is clear that such piety is connected with the fact that railway lines and highways are involved in the schemes of raw materials export by Russian business groups.
    And we can only hope that the Ukro-Wehrmacht will be smart enough to limit its strikes deep into Russian territory to airfields and energy facilities. Because if the Ukro-Nazis, in their stupidity, decide to strike at schools, shopping malls, cultural facilities, stadiums when many thousands of people are there, then the reaction of Russian society may be such that the authorities will have to put the squeeze on business groups and resort to truly radical strikes on the territory of the Ukro-Reich. For example, demolish elite towns near Kiev, the buildings of the Verkhovna Rada and the office of the Narokführer, despite the presence of Western advisers there. Because an unclear reaction to terrorist strikes with numerous victims deep into Russian territory may cost the authorities dearly. It is one thing when people hear about victims in the border area, and another thing is Tambov, Volgograd, Smolensk or Lipetsk. Although the logic of the Ukrainian Nazis who have gone off the rails may be perverted, and they may cherish hopes that strikes on cities deep in Russian territory will cause mass demands for peace at any cost. That these strikes will become a powerful support for the activation of the "party of obscene peace."
    Therefore, we will see how the Ukrainian Wehrmacht will act when it receives long-range weapons.
    1. 0
      8 September 2024 10: 06
      Who will be squeezing whom there? The Petrushkas who have the hand of the oligarchy sticking out in one place? Be prepared for the fact that during mass protests they will also arrange the execution of their own citizens in order to maintain control over the situation. And they will jail a bunch of people by declaring them agents of the West.
  37. +1
    7 September 2024 19: 14
    Quote: Igor1915
    A strange question - what to do - ? If you are at war, there is only one option - destroy the enemy. Everywhere. Southern Design Bureau - why does it still exist?


    Yes, because there are other enterprises. Everything is already divided up between the oligarchs, who gets what factory and power plant. And they come into the offices and ingratiatingly warn, like, they don’t need ruins. And they don’t care how many of our people die, their future property must remain as intact as possible! Otherwise… in the offices they know what will happen if otherwise…